The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - May 27, 2025


Canada’s 45th Parliament


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In this episode of The Blueprints, Conservative MP Larry Brock joins us to talk about his new role as the Official Opposition Critic for Justice in the 45th Parliament. We also discuss the impact of the Trump tariffs on the economy and the impact on the deficit.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome back to the Blueprints, Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your host,
00:00:10.820 Jamie Schmell, Member of Parliament for Halliburton-Kawortha Lakes. I did have Brock in my
00:00:15.600 riding. Since the election, I've now lost Brock Township, but I have the one and only Larry Brock
00:00:21.840 as the guest, the first guest after the last election. Larry Brock, the Member of Parliament
00:00:27.720 for Brantford, Brant South, Six Nations, also the Critic for Justice. Thank you for coming on.
00:00:33.860 Honour and privilege to be the first guest of the 45th Parliament.
00:00:38.260 The Brockinator is in studio. He's ready to go. We did actually have a bit of a break
00:00:44.040 just before the election and a whole bunch of things happened other than the election.
00:00:50.120 The studio was taken on the road, so it was dismantled and there wasn't the ability to have
00:00:56.100 new content continually posted, but we are back. Parliament's back in session. We elected
00:01:02.340 the new speaker yesterday. We heard from the King and the speech from the throne a little while ago,
00:01:08.520 so the wheels are in motion in Parliament, so to speak. And now we, as the official opposition,
00:01:14.740 although the election wasn't exactly how I think you and I and many of our viewers and listeners
00:01:20.140 wanted. We, we are going to serve as His Majesty's loyal opposition and probably the first thing that
00:01:27.820 we're going to ask questions about, among many, is the fact that Mark Carney, during the whole election
00:01:35.340 campaign, was Mr. Talk Tough. He went on and on and in length about that. Meanwhile, he meets with his
00:01:43.200 Cabinet and secretly removes the reciprocal tariffs, you know, assigned to the United States, leaving a
00:01:52.740 $20 billion hole or a potential $20 billion hole in estimates on government budgeting. But he went on
00:01:59.960 the very next day after knowingly removing them in secret, those tariffs, and talking about how he's
00:02:05.660 implementing tariffs and the only person that can stand up to Donald Trump, and that was during a
00:02:10.600 leader's debate. This is absolutely incredible, the length this guy goes, to tell one, one thing after
00:02:16.540 another that is not true. And Jamie, to your point, this is not the, the first time that he has
00:02:23.540 deliberately misled Canadians. He was doing that literally throughout the election, even before the
00:02:30.200 election. He was caught in a number of, of outright lies or mistruths, however you want to phrase it.
00:02:36.340 But this information could have been a game changer during the election, because the, the whole strategy
00:02:45.280 of the Liberal Party and Mark Carney was to instill a sense of fear. We opted for optimism and hope. He
00:02:54.340 was running on a, on a platform of fear, and that he was the only person with the experience and the
00:03:02.340 know-how. And the diplomatic prowess to, to stand up to a bully like Donald Trump. Elbows up, two elbows down. 0.53
00:03:12.280 And, and to your point, the fact that he has now missing $20 billion, probably explains why he's not in a rush to give us a spring budget, which traditionally we have at this time of year.
00:03:26.340 Yeah. And, and, and we're looking at the fall, I guess the finance minister came out finally after public pressure, I'm, I'm guessing, or some, maybe some common sense that, yeah, maybe after
00:03:36.280 campaigning that, you know, this guy, Mark Carney was, was the be all and end all and the financial genius, that, yeah, maybe we should tell Canadians
00:03:46.220 our roadmap. And that would be outlined in the budget. So we should probably have that soon. Again, considering since they campaigned the whole time about being the party with a plan.
00:03:57.220 Yes.
00:03:58.220 You know, minus the last 10 years of misery and disaster, but that, what, that was their whole thing.
00:04:03.220 Yes.
00:04:04.220 And they've immediately backtracked on it. If the, the estimates are true, if we are looking at a $20 billion hit on top of what they're already deficit spending, Mark Carney could blow through Chrystia Freeland's, you know, financial, fiscal guidelines that she talked about.
00:04:21.160 No guardrails at all. It's, it's wide open and it's speculation at best as to where this is going to land, but this is not good news for this country following an election.
00:04:34.120 And, and how he's going to make up that $20 billion deficit remains to be seen, but God forbid that we're looking at additional taxes. It's got to come from somewhere.
00:04:43.800 Well, we could have that roadmap. Of course, they're the party with the plan. So they said, we could have that roadmap. There, there's nothing saying that we have to sit from May till mid to late June.
00:04:57.500 Pierre Polyev said during the campaign, MPs don't plan on a vacation this summer. You're working all the way through. And I think we are fine with that.
00:05:06.220 Yeah. But Mark Carney says, no, no, I need that summer vacation. And he's, he's going to rise parliament as per the usual schedule, mid to late June, without, again, tabling a budget before he, he adjourns the house. Yes.
00:05:21.520 The government can keep going. Yeah. Well, let's face it. We've been off since the middle of December. We all left for our Christmas break with every expectation.
00:05:30.800 We are returning towards the end of January to resume the 44th parliament. Justin Trudeau decides to resign, a selfish choice on, on his part, his decision. But in addition to that, that, that triggered obviously the, the, the, the election of, of a new leader of the party, again, solely at the decision making of the Liberal Party of Canada and Justin Trudeau.
00:05:55.540 So we lost precious time to get back to work. And, uh, here we are now, the, uh, end of May, uh, literally we could probably sit until the 20th or the 25th of, of June and, and then, uh, then we break for the summer.
00:06:11.540 Sure. So I'm hearing from my constituents. I'm sure you are as well. And from constituents right across this country, you know, name one profession in the public or, or private sector where you have a break of almost six months long.
00:06:25.560 Okay. And then you work for three or four weeks and then you take another significant break until the end of September. Canadians voted for change. They voted us back into the house to do the necessary work to make this country more resilient and more productive and to deal with the challenges that are still facing Canadians.
00:06:50.420 Yeah. We still have challenges from the last 10 years. Absolutely. We still have the affordability crisis, the housing crisis, the productivity crisis, the crime and chaos crisis, right? Where is the plan?
00:07:02.300 What are we going to do in the next three weeks, three and a half weeks to substantially address that? Very little will be done.
00:07:10.980 In fact, I have heard from my liberal sources that the only priority that Carney and his government has is to make that 1% tax cut to the middle class. That is their sole priority. You know, we need to get things done in this country. We need to restore community safety. What are they going to do in the next three weeks?
00:07:32.840 Yes. So the new cabinet looks a heck of a lot like the old cabinet.
00:07:38.040 It does indeed. Even though we were told again, we were told all election, it's, you know, did they switched out the bus driver. It's the same bus company, same bus route, same bus, but it's different somehow, somehow.
00:07:50.640 Then they throw in the new cabinet after the election. It's the same faces that brought us the misery of the last 10 years. So, you know, you bring in a justice minister, the Sean Frazier, who broke housing and broke immigration.
00:08:04.620 You have a housing minister from British Columbia that was responsible for some of the highest housing prices in Canada, if not, you know, some parts of the world.
00:08:14.680 The list just keeps going on about the failures. We're not going to get any better, despite the fact that we have a new bus driver.
00:08:25.540 It's the same thing. And not only that, Sean Frazier, the justice minister, wants to solve the crime and chaos from a laptop in his living room.
00:08:34.040 You know, I was absolutely gobsmacked when I heard that coming from him.
00:08:38.800 Now, you got to remember, and I'm sure you do, and I'm sure many listeners, watchers of this program will remember, Sean Frazier wanted to resign from politics so that he could spend more time with his family, right?
00:08:53.060 That was the overriding message. Of course, that changed when Carney becomes the leader.
00:09:01.060 And all of a sudden, you know, he could find some time to be away from his family to get back into government.
00:09:08.300 So, you know, the attorney general and the justice minister is a very significant portfolio.
00:09:14.900 It requires boots on the ground. It requires you to see the circumstances that are existing.
00:09:22.320 It requires people to talk with justice partners from across this country, talk with police officials, etc.
00:09:29.640 You can do a little bit of that via Zoom, but you don't have the same ability to see what's going on in our courtrooms.
00:09:37.800 And that's something that's near and dear to my heart.
00:09:40.800 I can't remember, maybe apart from the last female Indigenous justice minister, Jody Wilson-Raybould,
00:09:48.480 the last time they actually hired someone who had criminal law experience.
00:09:55.660 Now, we know that Mr. Frazier is a lawyer, but he's a corporate lawyer, and he spent probably no more than a year and a half to two years
00:10:04.500 working at a significant downtown Bay Street law firm that probably practiced no criminal whatsoever.
00:10:13.740 We had the same thing with David Lometti.
00:10:15.900 You know, you need to have a feel of what it's like to be in the trenches so that you can appreciate the challenges
00:10:24.040 and the obstacles that victims are facing, that police officers are facing,
00:10:30.300 the frustrations of judges in terms of significant penalties that they wish they could have
00:10:37.680 to make sentences more meaningful that are simply not there.
00:10:41.740 You need to be part of seeing the problem to be part of the solution.
00:10:47.720 That can't be done from the comfort of your own home in New Glasgow, Nova Scotia.
00:10:54.620 So with all due respect to his family, I'm sure they love the idea of having the husband and the father back at home.
00:11:01.760 But this country in that particular portfolio demands so much more.
00:11:07.000 But wait, the Liberals will tell you they now have a Minister of State for combating crime.
00:11:11.980 Exactly.
00:11:14.060 We already know what the problem is.
00:11:16.480 You really need to create...
00:11:17.780 We don't need to have someone study it and to examine it and come to the same conclusions
00:11:25.460 that the premiers of all provinces and territories and police chiefs and other interested law partners
00:11:33.160 have already indicated we need to make changes to the criminal code now.
00:11:39.800 Yeah, we already know what the fix is.
00:11:41.060 Yes, not months from now.
00:11:42.840 Let's get it done.
00:11:44.700 Let's end the catch and release.
00:11:47.720 It's a simple formula.
00:11:49.280 We need to amend that provision of the criminal code that allows the catch and release to flourish
00:11:56.460 and to exist as it has since 2018.
00:11:59.680 And that's known as the principle of restraint.
00:12:02.040 Repealing that brings back a balance that has sadly been missing in our criminal justice system.
00:12:09.380 It would empower judges, empower justices of the peace to get back to the grounds for detention.
00:12:17.640 The priority of keeping the community safe and keeping those habitual serial offenders
00:12:24.140 who make promise after promise after promise to abide by all the conditions of the court
00:12:30.300 just to get released from jail only to commit the same offense one hour later.
00:12:35.180 Removing the principle of restraint would give the power back to the courts to detain those individuals.
00:12:42.580 Simple, common sense solution.
00:12:44.700 But we know this.
00:12:46.220 The Liberals, I'm sure, have heard this many times.
00:12:48.540 Of course they have.
00:12:48.840 I would like to hope they did.
00:12:50.580 So by creating this, clearly, all it sends to me is they're kicking the issue down the road.
00:12:55.660 They're not going to do anything about it.
00:12:56.960 Our communities are not going to get any safer, and they're going to kick this down while they study this issue
00:13:02.840 for I don't know how many times we've gone through this.
00:13:06.740 Because they're soft on crime, hug-a-thug mentality still exists to this day.
00:13:13.160 If there was going to be a change, Mark Carney talks to Canadians as if he's a change maker.
00:13:19.780 Oh, yeah.
00:13:20.340 Okay, yes, I inherited some, you know, individuals from the previous government,
00:13:28.320 but this is my government now, and I'm the Prime Minister.
00:13:32.320 If he truly felt that way, he would have personalized a mandate letter to Sean Fraser
00:13:39.740 as his new Attorney General and Justice Minister,
00:13:42.720 and he would have laid out a series of recommendations to restore community safety.
00:13:48.400 He talked about it during the campaign, and I was sadly disappointed to read in that generic
00:13:55.240 one-page mandate letter to all of his ministers, not one word about community safety.
00:14:03.320 No, well, he also talked about during the campaign building pipelines.
00:14:06.720 It doesn't look like we're going to be expanding our energy industry anytime soon.
00:14:10.060 Not at all.
00:14:10.840 Right?
00:14:11.160 They talked that game.
00:14:12.580 We've got conflicting messages.
00:14:13.400 Yeah, they talked that game, but it's kind of a wink and nod to their activist base, right?
00:14:19.420 Like, you know, we'll tell these people over here that we'll build some pipelines,
00:14:22.820 expand the energy industry, you know, big thumbs up.
00:14:25.920 But on this side, they keep the tanker ban, they keep the no more pipelines bill in effect.
00:14:31.360 So no matter how many times they talk about A, they'll never achieve it because B is blocking
00:14:36.460 everything from happening.
00:14:38.180 Nobody's going to invest in Canada when you see that kind of hurdles that you have to get through
00:14:43.460 in order to potentially, maybe a decade later, get to a yes.
00:14:47.060 Classic bait and switch.
00:14:48.380 Yeah.
00:14:48.500 Okay.
00:14:49.280 And this is how he secured a victory.
00:14:53.200 He made promises that were appealing to those Canadians who were not thinking about voting
00:14:59.500 liberal again, or those fence sitters as deciding as to whether to go conservative or liberal.
00:15:05.500 He presented a plan of sorts that appealed to them.
00:15:10.340 And he's under delivering immediately post-election.
00:15:14.220 Yeah.
00:15:15.560 And unfortunately, the issues that when like during the campaign, when the, you know,
00:15:24.280 the fever about Donald Trump and what he is going to do, what he isn't going to do, what
00:15:27.600 tariffs, what he isn't, when that kind of died down and people took a step back, they
00:15:32.660 remember the issues of the last 10 years are still the issues of today.
00:15:36.380 And you mentioned a bunch of them, the affordability, can't buy groceries, housing's out of control,
00:15:41.680 crime is in our streets, ongoing from there.
00:15:45.460 That's still there.
00:15:46.480 And the liberals will have to deal with that at some point or continue to, to air fingers,
00:15:51.480 quote, study it and kick the can down the road while people suffer.
00:15:54.980 All the more reason for Mark Carney to take a suggestion, as our leader has indicated, steal, steal, steal my ideas.
00:16:07.120 Let's work together to make this country safe and more resilient and more productive.
00:16:12.780 I encourage you to steal as you did during the entire writ.
00:16:17.300 Well, one of the greatest things he could have done was cancel the summer vacation.
00:16:21.580 We don't need, I don't need personally, as the shadow critic for justice, I don't need
00:16:27.820 my attorney general on the barbecue circuit down in the, down in the East Coast or occasionally
00:16:33.960 going across Canada, flipping burgers and pancakes, et cetera.
00:16:38.100 I need him to make those necessary changes to the criminal code.
00:16:43.460 Yeah.
00:16:43.720 Okay.
00:16:44.020 And the same could be said for the myriad of issues that are facing Canadians.
00:16:48.500 Yeah, I agree.
00:16:49.280 As you know, I know it's been a while since we had you on, the guests get the last word.
00:16:54.700 So we went over a lot of topics.
00:16:57.020 We had the election.
00:16:58.340 That's an interesting one if you want to opine on that at all.
00:17:01.560 But the floor is yours.
00:17:04.040 Looking forward to getting back into the swing of things, Jamie.
00:17:08.800 Looking forward to serving the great people of Brantford, Brant South, Six Nations.
00:17:13.340 So proud of the trust that they have given, that they've given me to, to come back from
00:17:19.080 my second term.
00:17:20.080 We have so many challenges at play in this country and we have to work together on those
00:17:25.380 key issues.
00:17:26.340 But I wish to God, as we feel that there is a sense of urgency, as we have discussed throughout
00:17:32.280 this podcast, I really wish that Mark Carney and his government would feel that urgency
00:17:37.780 as well.
00:17:39.020 And we just hope that we can work collaboratively as quickly as possible to give some relief
00:17:44.740 to Canadians.
00:17:45.640 All right.
00:17:46.080 Larry Brock, thank you very much.
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00:17:48.160 Thank you.
00:17:48.540 Thank you for being the first host or first guest of The Blueprint.
00:17:52.500 It's an absolute honour and privilege, my friend.
00:17:54.900 Coming back after the last election into the 45th Parliament.
00:17:58.640 Thank you.
00:17:58.980 It's good to have you, the Brockinator on the Brockprint or The Blueprint.
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