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00:00:00.120 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprint. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton Corps, the Lakes, with new content for you every single Tuesday, 1.30pm Eastern Time.

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00:00:18.380 So on today's show, we are talking Canada-US trade, while the Prime Minister eyeballs the European Union.

00:00:24.460 to talk about this and so much more, we bring on Randy Hoback, the Member of Parliament for

00:00:29.140 Prince Albert in the beautiful province of Saskatchewan. Thanks for coming on the show.

00:00:32.720 Great to be here, Jamie. Thanks for having me.

00:00:34.400 You have a lot of connections in the United States. You know, we joke about all the work

00:00:40.380 you've done, you know, making those relationships between Canada and the United States. It's become

00:00:46.000 very valuable as we in the opposition kind of navigate and adjust to what the government's

00:00:51.980 doing and offer not only some opposition, but also ways the government can improve that

00:00:57.980 relationship, which is, let's be honest, is strained at the moment.

00:01:00.880 Yeah, it is strained.

00:01:01.580 But you know what?

00:01:01.960 We've got a great team here on the conservative side.

00:01:03.380 We've got Shelby.

00:01:04.520 She's done a great job this last year reaching out and meeting with stakeholders and members

00:01:09.240 of Congress down in the US.

00:01:10.640 Of course, Michael Tong being in Foreign Affairs and Adam Chambers on the trade file.

00:01:14.100 So we've got a really strong team when it comes to dealing not with the US, but other

00:01:17.100 countries around the world.

00:01:17.860 And that's the strength we have on the bench.

00:01:20.160 And it's just great to be part of that team.

00:01:21.980 Mark Carney said during the election campaign about a year ago that he was going to get a deal with the United States by July 21st, I think the date was, and we were in May, April, May-ish, give or take, when those comments.

00:01:35.520 So he was seen as the person that could, in many, not all, that could facilitate a deal that quickly with an administration that was growing increasingly hostile, not just to Canada, but around the world as well.

00:01:50.200 And we still have no deal, but we have lots of tariffs.

00:01:54.620 Well, you know, I think that's something that I think he was very naive when he made that comment.

00:01:59.760 And I think he's starting to face the reality of what he's dealing with in the U.S. and around the world.

00:02:05.580 The reality is Donald Trump's going to do things on Donald Trump's time.

00:02:08.760 And we have to respect that.

00:02:10.440 He's been elected by the people of the U.S. and he has every right to do what he's going to do.

00:02:14.000 But the other reality is we've gone through 10 years of a Liberal government with an economy

00:02:17.900 that's unprepared for any type of shock.

00:02:21.060 So if we do see tariffs come into place, like we've seen on steel and aluminum and

00:02:26.120 forestry products, across the board and other products, how is our economy able to adapt?

00:02:30.960 We don't have a great productivity rate.

00:02:33.340 We don't have the ports, for example, or logistics are not that great.

00:02:37.240 Those are things that should have been fixed and worked on over the last 10 years that

00:02:40.120 were neglected.

00:02:40.580 And now we're paying the cost of having unbankability with our partners in the U.S. and not knowing exactly where that's going to be, but also the inability to pivot.

00:02:51.500 We can go around the world and say all the right things, but if you can't deliver those goods to market, it doesn't really help.

00:02:56.940 Well, in the past, how many world leaders came to Canada looking for the resources that we have, the oil, the natural gas, rare earth minerals?

00:03:05.720 And we're told by Prime Minister Trudeau at the time, there's no business case.

00:03:10.020 It turns out there's a pretty big business case.

00:03:13.220 Yeah, and I think maybe that's the breath of fresh air we're seeing right now.

00:03:15.740 At least the Prime Minister's acknowledging that those products should hit the world market.

00:03:20.780 But his inability to deliver is really concerning because he's making and saying the right things.

00:03:26.100 But if you can't deliver, it actually makes things worse because the previous Prime Minister, Prime Minister Trudeau, wouldn't even deliver.

00:03:32.600 And he made Canada known as a place that you just can't invest in.

00:03:35.460 Now, the new prime minister is saying you can invest in Canada, but if he can't deliver,

00:03:39.680 that's actually even worse.

00:03:41.360 So he's been in power now for a year.

00:03:43.240 We haven't seen any major new products come into place.

00:03:46.960 We haven't seen any step of bankability and stability, and he's talking about bringing

00:03:50.680 in a bunch of these new investors that he has in his Rolex card.

00:03:53.220 Those are all good things.

00:03:54.220 Glad to hear that.

00:03:55.820 But he's got to prove to them that they actually can build stuff here in Canada, and he hasn't

00:03:59.960 made the legislative changes that allow that to happen.

00:04:02.840 And that would be problematic for any type of board or investment fund when they look at Canada and try to make that decision.

00:04:07.980 Am I going to put $5 billion here or $5 billion in the U.S. or $10 billion here or $10 billion in Mexico?

00:04:12.740 So until we fix those issues, it's just kind of like a nice trip to Canada.

00:04:19.080 It goes to your point.

00:04:21.380 We didn't get here by accident.

00:04:23.240 It's been 10 years of bad liberal policy.

00:04:26.620 And there are pieces of legislation that are still in existence, as you pointed out, C-69, the No More Pipeline.

00:04:32.720 bill, the tanker ban as well, among many others, that are preventing that uncertainty and still

00:04:41.240 giving investors, despite what the Prime Minister is saying, all the rosy words, still giving them

00:04:45.940 hesitation. We have companies one after the other in the last few weeks talking about how Canada

00:04:51.280 is still a volatile place to do business, which is extremely unfortunate because Parliament

00:04:56.200 gave the Prime Minister these massive powers

00:05:00.220 to basically ignore any law at once

00:05:03.380 in order to get projects built,

00:05:05.540 and we haven't seen anything.

00:05:06.820 That's exactly right, Jamie.

00:05:08.200 You know, C5 went through.

00:05:09.260 We actually helped them get it through fairly quickly.

00:05:11.620 That was a minority government at that time, of course,

00:05:13.480 and the idea behind that was we're going to start

00:05:15.680 seeing things happen quicker.

00:05:17.740 You know, even today, they're only starting to talk

00:05:19.520 about how they can speed up the environmental review

00:05:21.260 on projects like pipelines.

00:05:22.420 Well, it's a year later.

00:05:23.840 It's a year late.

00:05:24.900 Let's remember, Germany, when they wanted natural gas

00:05:27.300 and needed gas coming into Germany, 180 days,

00:05:31.400 they went from nothing to all of a sudden

00:05:32.880 they had a facility to receive LNG, fabulously fast.

00:05:36.520 And these are very interesting times,

00:05:40.640 we're not thinking of a better word,

00:05:42.480 that require those types of activities and actions.

00:05:45.020 And those are things that the Prime Minister

00:05:46.220 was saying this last year that he hasn't delivered upon.

00:05:49.200 You've heard our leader say the exact same thing.

00:05:50.980 The difference is he had a plan on how to deliver upon.

00:05:53.320 And that's the difference between the two leaders.

00:05:55.300 Let's keep up cut one.

00:05:56.260 It actually goes to what you're talking about, our leader mentioning just that, play cut one.

00:06:01.840 At the end of the day, though, what we need is action.

00:06:04.080 Mark Carney was elected on the singular promise that he would negotiate a win with the Americans.

00:06:12.100 Since that time, American tariffs have doubled and broadened on Canadian goods.

00:06:18.440 Carney's given us the worst economy in the G7, the only shrinking economy in the G7.

00:06:23.320 we're hemorrhaging jobs. Just 10 days ago, the Americans hit us with much bigger tariffs on

00:06:29.740 products that include Canadian steel. And what has Mark Carney done, really, in a year on this?

00:06:38.020 And I think that was the big question, given at the time of the election, right? You know,

00:06:44.420 how are we going to deal with the U.S. administration? Well, Mark Carney, I think,

00:06:48.400 as we mentioned a little while ago, was a bit naive in saying that we'll have a deal on the

00:06:53.740 21st. And some people bought into that. Others may have had hope for it, just on the fact that-

00:06:59.840 I had hope for it. I think everybody had hope for it. We were actually cheering them on. Like,

00:07:03.300 this is exactly what we needed to see happen. But it also highlights our plan and the difference,

00:07:08.580 right? Like, Carney's using a lot of public money to build all these projects, like the

00:07:13.300 sovereign debt fund and, you know, the Alto high speed train, which is just going to be a bottomless

00:07:18.240 money pit. But he's using private dollars. Our plan was completely different. Ours is repealing

00:07:23.520 those pieces of legislation that we talked about that's impeding investment and jobs and opportunity

00:07:28.100 and wealth in this country and getting them out of the way, allowing the market to do what it does

00:07:32.260 best and get things built and make Canada strong so that when we negotiate with the United States

00:07:39.320 in others, we are doing so in a position of strength.

00:07:42.700 That's exactly right, Jamie.

00:07:44.000 You know, the reality is if we had a very productive workforce, which we've lost productivity

00:07:48.280 over the last 10 years, we'd be in better shape.

00:07:50.480 If we had ports that were in the top 10 or top 15 in the world, we'd be in better shape.

00:07:54.800 Those are results of 10 years of bad economic policy.

00:07:58.180 That's exactly what's happening.

00:07:59.880 Now, as we look at the prime minister's plan with the US, you know, there's lots of questions,

00:08:03.560 a lot of questions that have not been answered.

00:08:05.840 We hear that they're down there meeting all the time, but we really don't know what they're

00:08:08.520 meeting about. We're watching Mexico in negotiations starting up here this month,

00:08:13.520 actually sitting down and actually going through that. And we're finding out that they're going

00:08:16.360 into negotiations with not even an observer from Canada at the table, which I think is

00:08:20.200 kind of strange. So it doesn't look like there's a strategy, or if there's a strategy,

00:08:28.320 they're not sharing what that strategy is with Canadian stakeholders. And that's dangerous on

00:08:32.140 its own. I can remember the days at being at WTO conferences with Steve Berhold being the

00:08:36.640 the chief negotiator, and everybody has the world of respect for Steve Berhill.

00:08:40.660 I remember he'd be negotiating basically all night, come in about 10 o'clock at night,

00:08:44.720 and he'd sit in front of all the stakeholders.

00:08:47.020 He'd have an open mic.

00:08:48.260 He'd give us an overview of what went on that day.

00:08:50.960 And then he'd listen to the stakeholders, ask questions, and he'd do his best to answer what he can.

00:08:55.280 He never shared anything confidential or top secret.

00:08:57.900 It was just to give you a sense of the flavor of what's going on.

00:09:00.780 But what he also received from the stakeholders is they were meeting with their other stakeholders

00:09:04.300 from other countries that day.

00:09:05.620 So you'd have CAFTA meeting with, let's say, dairy guys out of Australia, and they'd say, well, the dairy guys in Australia said X, Y, Z, and then you'd have the dairy guys in Canada said, well, we met with these guys in Europe, and they said X, Y, Z.

00:09:16.780 So there was an exchanging ideas and things so that the negotiator had as much current information to make the best deal possible.

00:09:24.260 We don't know how the stakeholders are actually plugging into this negotiating team.

00:09:28.620 Now, let's keep in mind we've got two things happening in parallel.

00:09:31.360 You've got the review, which has a July 1st, and they're already saying it's not going to be hit.

00:09:35.620 And then you've got the 232 tariffs, and then you've got softened lumber kind of on its own.

00:09:40.500 Nothing's happening on any of those.

00:09:42.660 So the review side, that's its own thing, and it can be tariffed down the road for another year.

00:09:48.880 Those other tariffs, that should be talked about fairly quick.

00:09:53.140 And if you talk about the auto sector, why it's hurting and why it's uncompetitive,

00:09:58.300 when you're in a situation where you don't have bankability of where you're going to be next year,

00:10:03.320 the year after or five years later, you don't reinvest in increasing your productivity.

00:10:08.040 You just get by with what you have.

00:10:10.240 If we want our auto sector to be competitive around the world, they have to be reinvesting

00:10:14.060 in productivity here in Canada.

00:10:15.600 But in order to do that, you have to give them a stable marketplace that guarantees

00:10:18.760 a return on investment somewhere down the road.

00:10:21.440 When you've got this always being up in the air and they're trying to guess where they

00:10:25.240 should be or where they shouldn't be, well, everything just goes on hold.

00:10:28.700 And that presents a problem that we're starting to see evolving in our auto sector.

00:10:33.400 And unfortunately, we had some pretty devastating news dealing with Honda and others that are re-evaluating their place in the EV market in Canada, many not seeing a future.

00:10:43.820 Plus, you have the cars coming in from China.

00:10:48.000 And there's a graphic here that kind of points in the direction of where the government wants to do, kind of really going in hard with China.

00:10:56.740 And you had an interesting comment off air about this.

00:11:00.000 Well, again, if you're trying to put subsidization in place to drive a market, it's not a really good business plan.

00:11:07.760 The market should be driven by actually the market.

00:11:10.820 So if the market is sending signals to these manufacturers that they should be building EV vehicles, they will build EV vehicles.

00:11:17.260 And I have no problems with EV vehicles.

00:11:19.420 I have no problems with ICE vehicles.

00:11:21.860 Whatever the consumer wants, as long as it meets our requirements for carbon reduction, things like that.

00:11:26.140 What do we care?

00:11:26.620 And if you look at the U.S. emissions program that was in place, they didn't pick winners and losers.

00:11:30.640 They actually just said, get to this level.

00:11:32.580 Exactly.

00:11:33.080 What we've seen in Canada, the Trudel government, they went and picked what they thought would be the winner.

00:11:37.400 But by doing that, they actually alienated a lot of things.

00:11:40.900 Yeah, you got slower innovation.

00:11:42.240 That's right.

00:11:43.040 And you also got a scenario where you actually force these manufacturers to think about investing in these big facilities.

00:11:48.680 When they sit back and look at it and say, well, wait a minute, this isn't going to work, this isn't going to pay back.

00:11:53.380 Well, then they're taking a step back.

00:11:54.900 I think we'd have Canadian technology on par with that technology

00:11:57.800 if they had some bankability in the sector and an idea of where they're going to go

00:12:01.380 that was maybe a 10-year vision, not a 2-year vision or a 4-year vision.

00:12:05.920 You know, we've got some of the best engineers in the world.

00:12:07.580 We've got the best labor force in the world, no question about that.

00:12:09.880 So it's not like we can't compete, but when we keep putting them in a position

00:12:13.220 where they can't have a bankable future, they can't sit down and lay out

00:12:17.220 what they want to do for 5 years, 10 years, 20 years,

00:12:19.520 because the tariffs may change tomorrow or something like that,

00:12:22.000 Well, that's problematic.

00:12:23.520 And even now, as we speak, in Mexico, they're going through eight constitutional changes.

00:12:29.060 They're changing their whole judicial system.

00:12:30.820 So there is a situation that unattended consequences were an investment in Mexico could be one

00:12:36.120 where you would put in place serious risk if there was ever a nationalization type of

00:12:41.180 project that would happen.

00:12:42.300 So if you had a $5 billion car plant in Mexico and all of a sudden they decided to nationalize

00:12:46.060 it, if it came out of the US, that investment, there's no dispute selling mechanism.

00:12:50.700 ISDS is gone, so they have no mechanism other than to go through the courts.

00:12:55.520 Well, they changed the courts to be basically elected judges, and in that process, there's

00:13:01.060 lots of concerns about where these people are coming from and the educational background

00:13:04.220 that they have to be on their Supreme Court.

00:13:06.820 So yeah, there's some more due diligence now if you're looking at doing more investment

00:13:10.620 in Mexico.

00:13:11.640 One thing about Canada, we've got a very stable court system.

00:13:14.300 We have a very stable legal system.

00:13:15.840 We have a very strong workforce.

00:13:17.360 We have all the ingredients to be a home for a world-class manufacturing.

00:13:22.020 We just got to get out of the way.

00:13:23.760 Got to get rid of the regulations and red tape that aren't necessary.

00:13:26.640 And we've got to provide a marketplace to these manufacturers so they can actually build here and enjoy the rewards going into the future.

00:13:33.300 And then we all win.

00:13:34.260 Let's clear up cut two.

00:13:35.160 We have the parliamentary secretary to the minister of industry talking about the very big change coming to the automotive sector.

00:13:43.300 And then I want to go back to the Chinese EVs.

00:13:45.340 Play cut two.

00:13:45.880 GM and its mining partner Vale paused the second phase of their cathode factory project in Quebec, ended production of Bright Drop in Ingersoll, Ford delayed plans to build electric vehicles in Oakville in favor of the F-series gas-powered pickup trucks.

00:13:59.440 What more evidence do you need that deciding to center your strategy on EVs is no longer the right decision?

00:14:07.440 We know in a couple of ways.

00:14:08.900 We know because the Nexstar plant in Windsor has just produced its millionth battery cell.

00:14:13.820 We know that the power co-plant in St. Thomas is broken ground.

00:14:17.380 We know that Canadians have an appetite for these EVs, as does the world.

00:14:21.140 You know, in Europe in February, they had the first year, the first month rather,

00:14:26.020 where their electric vehicle sales actually exceeded internal combustion engine sales.

00:14:29.420 So we know that broad direction is going towards EVs.

00:14:32.220 And yeah, there are going to be some bumps along the way.

00:14:33.640 We also know that consumer incentives are a very much important part of that.

00:14:36.500 So when we're talking Chinese EVs, the issue I think that we're trying to point out,

00:14:41.560 and people in the automotive sector are pointing out,

00:14:44.040 is that when the EVs come over from China,

00:14:47.100 they are manufactured there, disassembled,

00:14:49.360 brought in large part, in many cases,

00:14:51.220 brought back to Canada.

00:14:52.480 We are just basically putting the Lego together.

00:14:54.820 We're not actually manufacturing this.

00:14:56.280 It's kind of like the IKEA car.

00:14:57.820 Yeah, it's the IKEA car.

00:14:58.920 So it's a lot less jobs, a lot less pay,

00:15:02.180 because it's a different skill set.

00:15:04.340 Yeah.

00:15:04.780 You know, they tried to do the same thing in Brazil.

00:15:06.520 Brazil said no.

00:15:07.380 Yeah.

00:15:07.840 They actually brought in legislation to say,

00:15:10.080 no, you're going to build the parts here.

00:15:11.100 going to actually build the cars here. I think there was a little bit of a bridge period where

00:15:14.460 they allowed some of the Chinese cars to come in until their facilities in Brazil got up and running.

00:15:18.140 So there are solutions to those problems. But again, why would we allow the Chinese to come

00:15:23.820 into our marketplace and not benefit by having the jobs and everything else that comes with it?

00:15:29.260 That would be absolutely crazy. So it's unfortunate. Now, she listed a bunch of

00:15:35.900 plans that got changed. Well, that's coming back to bad policy again.

00:15:39.420 that's right they forced these facilities to announce thinking that that's where they had to go

00:15:44.380 even though the market was telling them something different they put in policies in place that

00:15:47.900 was basically going to take the ice vehicle off the road or they'd reduce the number of vehicles

00:15:52.860 the dealerships could sell and those types of policies actually backfired and now it's starting

00:15:58.940 to straighten itself out and correct they're starting to realign the ev market to what the ev

00:16:02.940 demand is and i think they're probably very being very concerned about you know as we see these other

00:16:08.540 other vehicles come in from China, how much of that market is going to be here for us?

00:16:14.060 So, you know, as they adapt, there's lots of questions that they have to answer, and I don't

00:16:18.200 think they have the answers for those. Now, they also talked about the Windsor battery plant. Well,

00:16:23.320 that Windsor battery plant also does home batteries. That's right. I think that's the

00:16:26.460 majority of their business now. Yeah, but even now, I'm concerned about that, because talking

00:16:30.600 to our MPs down in Windsor, that facility, if it's shipping that battery in a car, it doesn't

00:16:36.180 have the tariff collection on the steel portion that it does if they ship that battery as a home

00:16:42.240 battery pack. So they've changed the way that they collect the tariff now. They're using a

00:16:47.480 lower tariff rate, but on the whole value of the product. So on that battery pack, let's just take

00:16:53.100 a number off. Let's say it's worth $10,000. Well, it might have to have 10% tariff. So you would

00:16:58.140 have historically maybe had a higher tariff rate on that 10%. Now what they're doing is they're

00:17:02.240 saying, OK, no, we're going to give you a little lower tariff

00:17:04.220 rate, but on the whole value.

00:17:07.000 Well, now you've taken and put them out of the market

00:17:09.900 in the home market because they've tariffed it right

00:17:13.280 out of the existence.

00:17:14.360 So again, I have not seen the Liberal government come back

00:17:17.100 and say, no, we will not accept this type of tariff rate

00:17:19.140 collection.

00:17:19.700 We're going to readjust it.

00:17:21.020 Now, if you're a steel producer, big balls of steel,

00:17:23.900 perfect, great for you.

00:17:24.980 But if you're a manufacturer in steel and aluminum products,

00:17:28.100 and let's say you're building a product that's maybe only 10%

00:17:32.240 steel, you're getting nailed hard, especially if it's a product that has high value and

00:17:36.680 steel is just a small percentage of that content.

00:17:39.580 And those things have to be fixed.

00:17:40.580 And again, I don't see a game plan in place at this point in time to fix that.

00:17:44.420 Yeah, which is shameful depending just looking at the number of jobs and the economic hardship

00:17:49.720 that could happen if the government doesn't get their priorities straight.

00:17:53.860 You served under Prime Minister Harper when you know this, when Harper came into the office

00:17:58.900 There were about a half dozen deals, either free trade or trade deals, signed and sealed.

00:18:05.440 And I think by the time Harper left, it was upwards of 53, 54 deals, somewhere in there.

00:18:11.080 So the vision was there that the United States is a very valuable nation, the world's biggest economy, strongest economy.

00:18:18.540 We need to have a relationship.

00:18:20.080 But if that relationship goes sour for whatever reason, we need to have options.

00:18:24.740 But at this point, the prime minister is now seeking to align more with the European Union.

00:18:32.340 OK, but I think business is saying, hang on a second, accessing the European market can be quite difficult.

00:18:39.840 There's a lot of bureaucracy.

00:18:41.580 There's a lot of red tape and rules that we may have to retool that we may not make our money back on trying to figure out how to ship our products all the way over there and deal with that.

00:18:51.440 Yeah, you know, I used to work for a company called Case New Holland.

00:18:55.980 I used to be the manager of flexible products going to Eastern Western Europe.

00:18:58.520 And the homologation process there was just a non-trade barrier on its own.

00:19:03.720 Europe does things differently.

00:19:05.020 They look at things differently.

00:19:06.540 It doesn't mean I don't want to trade with them.

00:19:07.740 I want to trade with them.

00:19:08.480 I want to sell them stuff.

00:19:09.260 I want to buy stuff.

00:19:10.080 They're good allies, neighbors, partners.

00:19:12.680 No question about that.

00:19:14.200 But the reality is the neighbor next door is always going to be our number one partner.

00:19:18.000 The neighbor next door is probably still always be our best market.

00:19:22.500 So we have to do both.

00:19:24.020 And we have to also be active, not just in the European market, but in the Asian market.

00:19:28.820 We talk about Kansak with Australia and New Zealand, UK.

00:19:33.680 I think we have to be taking advantage of all those markets.

00:19:35.780 Now, under the Harper days, we had this program called Going Global.

00:19:38.860 So we weren't abandoning the US market.

00:19:40.480 We had a very strong, stable access into the US market at that time.

00:19:44.540 But we were also encouraging SMEs and other companies to actually take advantage of all

00:19:47.900 these trade agreements and actually start selling it to Colombia, start selling it to

00:19:51.520 Panama, into the Asia Pacific.

00:19:54.440 We started down the TPP road to set out some rules so that we actually had some rules in

00:19:58.180 place against China so we could actually deal with some of the concerns that China was bringing

00:20:02.540 into the global marketplace by dumping steel and dumping cars and things like that.

00:20:06.980 So we were doing all that.

00:20:08.660 And then again, 10 years of bad liberal policy, 10 years of inability to get things done.

00:20:15.460 We're really paying for that right now.

00:20:17.080 And a lot of people that are sitting in that banches over at the Liberal Party in government

00:20:21.240 are still there, and they still have those beliefs.

00:20:24.860 And that's problematic because we need to see some action we have to make up for those

00:20:30.360 10 lost years.

00:20:31.360 Randy, we're way over time, but good conversation.

00:20:34.240 Anytime.

00:20:35.240 I didn't want to cut this short because I think we addressed a lot of issues.

00:20:39.360 But as you know, the guests always get the last word.

00:20:42.620 You can highlight on a few things we're doing as opposition,

00:20:46.040 but also on a few things, if we were to form government,

00:20:49.880 this is what we would do, and allow some more hope to shine

00:20:54.060 in if the rules would ever get it straight.

00:20:56.240 You know, again, if they want to steal more ideas from them,

00:20:59.900 go for it.

00:21:00.680 If we can make our country stronger and better,

00:21:02.360 that's what we're here to do, and that's

00:21:03.700 what we do as an opposition party.

00:21:04.780 We always put Canada first.

00:21:05.740 When we travel abroad, it's always Canada first.

00:21:08.060 And our leader showed that when he was in the US a few weeks ago.

00:21:11.780 You know, I don't want Canadians to get too stressed

00:21:13.980 and too depressed and nervous and everything else.

00:21:17.060 There is going to be some structural change happening.

00:21:19.200 That's just the way the world is today.

00:21:21.200 But, you know, we've got everything the world wants.

00:21:24.460 We've got the potash.

00:21:25.780 We've got the uranium.

00:21:26.800 We've got the oil and gas.

00:21:27.880 We've got the forestry product.

00:21:28.960 We've got the food security, grains and oil seeds, pulses.

00:21:31.980 We've got the educated workforce.

00:21:34.040 We've got the rule of law.

00:21:35.320 We've got all the bases to make a wonderful, strong country.

00:21:39.180 We have the proper government.

00:21:40.300 Just think what it would be like.

00:21:41.780 And I think once we take advantage of all our strengths, this is the best country to live in.

00:21:47.100 You know, I still say it is the best country to live in now.

00:21:49.300 It's just be that much better.

00:21:50.600 I can't agree more.

00:21:51.280 And I'm excited about that.

00:21:51.940 Well done.

00:21:52.360 Randy Hoback, what a way to close out the show.

00:21:54.780 Exactly.

00:21:55.360 See, that's why I bring you on the show.

00:21:58.140 We're positive people, you know?

00:21:59.440 Exactly.

00:22:00.140 Randy Hoback, member of Parliament for Prince Albert in the beautiful province of Saskatchewan.

00:22:04.700 Thanks again for your time.

00:22:05.720 Thanks, man.

00:22:06.140 Thank you for yours.

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - May 19, 2026

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