The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - November 03, 2026


Carney’s Canada-EU Summit was all talk and no trade results.

More Canadians are relying on food banks than ever before.

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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast with new
00:00:14.260 content for you every single Tuesday, 1.30pm Eastern Time. Don't forget to like, comment,
00:00:18.320 subscribe and share this program because on today's show we are talking about the European
00:00:23.240 Union and the Prime Minister's plan for Canada. To do that, to expand on it, we bring on Stephanie
00:00:28.920 Cusey, the Member of Parliament for Calgary-Mindipour, also their critic for International
00:00:33.440 Trade. Thanks for coming on the show. Thank you for having me, Jamie. I could not think of anyone
00:00:37.680 better to talk about this very important issue because it's been dominating the news headlines,
00:00:43.680 political talk here in Ottawa has all been about the European Union. What does it mean? But at the
00:00:49.780 same time, the Prime Minister has yet to share details on what exactly he is talking about.
00:00:56.980 No, you're absolutely correct.
00:00:59.280 Of course, we've seen in the last 18 months,
00:01:02.160 he has been incapable of delivering on the election promise
00:01:05.840 that he made to Canadians and I dare say won the election on,
00:01:09.800 which was facing Donald Trump and getting a deal for Canadians.
00:01:14.800 He has yet to do that.
00:01:16.340 So it seems in his efforts to achieve his objectives
00:01:21.280 of investment and trade diversification,
00:01:24.660 He is now looking to the European Union. So with the European Union, he is very much enamored with this idea of associate membership. And we as conservatives, of course, are very worried about the different aspects of it because we're not sure that he has thought this through entirely for what it means for Canadians, because it could have very significant impacts in terms of taxation.
00:01:52.340 I don't think Canadians, in this difficult time of cost of living, want to pay more taxes to Brussels, of all places.
00:02:00.580 Secondly, we have concerns about migration, the migratory impacts.
00:02:06.240 Already, of course, we're having an important conversation in Canada on our immigration levels,
00:02:11.100 the impacts that these immigration levels are having on important social programs, such as health, education, and housing.
00:02:19.560 And then finally, the regulatory measures, what it would mean for importing, exporting business across Canada. So we're not really sure that he has thought this through despite his passionate feelings about it.
00:02:34.420 But it's something that he has seemed very much hell bent on and seems to be a reality after the summit in Montreal last week.
00:02:42.540 So he's been very keen on it, although I question his motivation being to sort of steer away from the U.S. deal he promised Canadians during the election.
00:02:52.460 But he seems as though he's going to follow through on this this EU associate membership now with the actual implications of it unknown to it would seem him or Canadians.
00:03:04.940 You're right. And we have a few clips here that we'll get to in just a moment.
00:03:08.780 But the thing you started off with, the comment, Mark Carney was elected because he was the man with the plan.
00:03:15.320 He could handle Donald Trump. He could get a deal with the United States.
00:03:18.660 He said something like in 21 days. It was it was it was quite remarkable to hear him say that.
00:03:24.060 But that's what most Canadians thought he would do.
00:03:27.580 We're a year and a half into this term, and still we have no deal, but we have lots of tariffs striking havoc to our businesses.
00:03:38.800 Yeah, there's no doubt about that.
00:03:40.780 And we're seeing this right now at Trade Committee.
00:03:43.460 We're doing a studying on manufacturing, which, of course, really highlights the steel sector, the aluminum sector, automobiles.
00:03:54.380 it's having a real impact on Canadian business and Canadians' lives.
00:03:59.780 We're seeing in terms of the Stelco layoffs that's affecting both Ontario and Quebec.
00:04:05.920 And I mean, I really think this is just the tip of the iceberg in terms of what's ahead
00:04:09.660 if he does not resolve it.
00:04:11.580 And again, I just, I really question his motivation in terms of what he wants for Canadians
00:04:16.580 because he said he would do this deal.
00:04:18.660 He has yet to do it.
00:04:19.720 But worse than that, it seems as though he's almost enjoying political favoritism as a result of not getting these deals done when he should be thinking about the well-being of Canadians and achieving this deal, first of all, and secondly, trying to use the idea of diversification in going to the European Union.
00:04:42.860 And I'll add that this is a deal that several European nations don't even want this associate membership for Canada.
00:04:51.680 France has been very vocal about this.
00:04:54.100 Germany as well.
00:04:54.940 I actually met with the Minister of State for the European Union from Germany who was concerned because he stated himself regulatory impacts of Europe are significant.
00:05:06.620 And he worries about Canada having to adopt these.
00:05:10.760 And the second point he made, which I thought was very valid, is that associate membership means you are on the path to full membership in the European Union.
00:05:22.000 And he was very concerned about that.
00:05:24.120 So the concerns are many, both from conservatives and from European nations as well.
00:05:30.820 And as I said, the objectives to me are not clear of the prime minister when he should be focusing on getting this deal done with our U.S. counterparts before he goes and has these conversations in the EU, at the EU.
00:05:46.380 And as we pointed out many times on the show and we've done in the House of Commons, businesses in Europe just aren't going to cede the way for Canadian companies to make their way in.
00:05:58.120 They have their setup, their distribution network, their products that people buy.
00:06:03.120 They're just not going to say, wow, Canada, come on in and scoop up some of our market share.
00:06:08.120 Well, that's not going to happen.
00:06:09.720 Canadian companies are going to have to figure out a way to adapt and survive.
00:06:13.520 But also you have an ocean between us and you have the world's largest, most powerful economy right next door to us, that being Canada.
00:06:22.000 And we're just ignoring that.
00:06:23.540 So let's queue up cut one here.
00:06:24.800 We have the Prime Minister this past weekend in Montreal.
00:06:29.100 He loves the world stage.
00:06:30.420 Canadian Parliament, not so much.
00:06:31.700 We get him a day, a week, maybe if we're lucky.
00:06:33.720 Play Cup 1.
00:06:34.440 We are working towards the deepest possible partnership, short of accession, because of
00:06:41.880 our geography, with Canada becoming the European Union's first associate member.
00:06:48.780 However, we will determine the full substance scale and scope of this new form of membership.
00:06:56.580 The Presidents and I will meet periodically to track progress.
00:07:00.700 In March, we will convene the College of the European Commissioners and our Federal Cabinet
00:07:08.140 here in Canada to advance this work, and in June, I have accepted President Costa's invitation
00:07:15.700 to attend the European Council meetings where we intend by that point to conclude these negotiations.
00:07:23.640 We've been to some of these meetings.
00:07:25.340 We've been to Strasbourg for the Council of Europe and a few other things.
00:07:28.080 All it is is a chamber for people to talk.
00:07:30.640 Just talk.
00:07:31.220 All of that is talk.
00:07:32.360 There's no action on how it's actually going to help people that are lined up with the
00:07:37.520 food bank or people who own businesses that are wondering if they're going to be able
00:07:40.560 to survive, the employees, the families.
00:07:43.180 Talk.
00:07:44.080 It's true.
00:07:44.760 And you can see from that video, even he doesn't know what he's agreeing to, again, which is astounding to me.
00:07:52.000 But also what I find incredibly frustrating is that Canada has a free trade agreement with Europe.
00:07:58.720 It's just nine nations in Europe haven't ratified this trade agreement.
00:08:03.260 And some big ones.
00:08:03.280 Exactly, some big ones.
00:08:04.360 Including France. 0.93
00:08:04.740 That's right, France, Poland.
00:08:06.400 And these are nations that the prime minister has met with and had significant discussions with.
00:08:13.760 So you think he would push them to get them to ratify this treaty
00:08:18.080 because that's really what's going to allow Canadian beef and pork
00:08:21.720 to get to the European market is ratifying this trade agreement that we have
00:08:27.260 rather than entering into another associate membership entity entirely
00:08:32.720 that he himself, as we see from this video, doesn't even fully understand.
00:08:38.020 And he should be forthcoming to the Canadian public
00:08:40.820 because a lot of Canadians, if you look at the polling,
00:08:42.980 if you believe the polling, seem to be going along with this.
00:08:45.280 But there is no details, which actually kind of surprises me
00:08:48.140 because we're just blindly following the Prime Minister
00:08:50.360 who's told us next to nothing, other than a word salad,
00:08:53.120 where we're going.
00:08:53.960 But no details.
00:08:54.840 Cue up, cut two.
00:08:55.720 This is the President of the EU confirming what the Prime Minister just said.
00:08:59.200 Play cut two.
00:09:00.340 We are exploring the idea of an associate member.
00:09:05.980 But this means, for example, aligning our policies,
00:09:09.940 our programs, our governance, and many topics that we can develop.
00:09:15.540 Okay, we all know, and we got a few slides later on in the show,
00:09:19.040 we all know the regulatory environment in the EU is extremely, extremely complicated and restrictive
00:09:27.580 and has basically contributed to the economy in the European nations
00:09:34.860 from growing at the pace of what they should, right?
00:09:37.540 Rules, regulations, red tape, bureaucracy, it just keeps growing and free market ideas keep getting stifled.
00:09:45.320 Where do you see this going?
00:09:46.700 Based on what you've heard, because we got an interview coming up with the prime minister, what you've heard, are you, I know you mentioned it, are you being open-minded as a trade critic here based on what's being said?
00:09:59.460 Or where do you see this file going on those two clips?
00:10:02.680 Because we have a third.
00:10:03.460 I'm not being, it's hard for me to be open-minded when you consider the distraction that the Prime Minister is trying to create in pursuing this associate membership.
00:10:16.400 If we look at the hard deals that the Liberal government has signed since Prime Minister Carney arrived, it is about 1% of Canada-U.S. trade in 2025, in a single year.
00:10:33.200 So to have to make up 99 percent of trade with the U.S., that is an impossible goal.
00:10:41.420 So I think the prime minister is trying to distract Canadians from the cost of living crisis that his liberal government, this is not two governments, a Justin Trudeau government and then a Mark Carney government.
00:10:54.500 This is 12 years of consecutive liberal government that has led to the cost of living crisis that we have here.
00:11:00.320 He's trying to distract from that.
00:11:02.720 And he's also trying to distract from the objective, again, he gave himself, which was
00:11:08.980 to get a deal with Donald Trump.
00:11:11.420 And so in my opinion, it is far better to finish what you started and to keep your promises.
00:11:18.400 So finish the free trade deal that we have with the EU, get those other nine nations
00:11:24.220 to sign on, and then get the deal for Canadians that you promised when you were elected.
00:11:30.320 did, which was to get a deal with the U.S. And I'll add, in addition to studying the candidate
00:11:37.960 EU agreement, I had the unique opportunity of going to Mexico four weeks ago and talk with
00:11:43.920 the lead negotiator of Kuzma from Mexico in the last round, as well as their chair of the
00:11:50.260 Senate committee in the current Kuzma negotiations. And they are taking a far more serious approach
00:11:57.220 to this than Mark Carney, whereby Mark Carney has, you know, thrown his hands up in the air
00:12:02.360 and said, I can't deal with Donald Trump. Mexico does two unique things I wish that the prime
00:12:07.720 minister would do. And the first is they use what I call kangaroo diplomacy. When a kangaroo wants
00:12:14.800 a mate, they keep following the mate until the mate gives in and says, OK, fine, I'll be with
00:12:19.680 you. And that's what Mexico is doing in their relationship with the United States. Donald
00:12:24.440 Trump won't talk to them while they are sending their people to go and talk to every governor,
00:12:29.660 every mayor, every congressman, every Senate. They're not saying, oh, forget it. We're just
00:12:33.860 going to go and try and find new trade relationships. They recognize the importance
00:12:38.400 of the U.S. to their economy and will not give up on pursuing it, whereas our prime minister
00:12:43.500 has given up. And secondly, their leader is far more, has a more stoic approach than ours. They
00:12:49.980 don't get insulted by some, some silly comment or not. So there are, there are terrible comments 0.96
00:12:56.720 about being the 51st state about Lake Ontario, for example, but they say, okay, I'm going to put
00:13:02.380 your buffoonery aside and get back to focusing on getting a deal because that's what I was elected
00:13:08.400 on. That's what the Mexican people are counting on. The prime minister could take some lessons 0.59
00:13:13.200 from Mexico, but this again indicates that it is, I'm worried potentially a political stunt.
00:13:19.980 on the backs of Canadians, and something that must be faced head-on,
00:13:25.160 not running to go and create this associate membership
00:13:28.640 and pursue this associate membership.
00:13:31.420 Finish what you started.
00:13:32.680 Do the things that are important for Canadians
00:13:34.540 that you promised you would do when you got elected.
00:13:37.200 That segues perfectly to cut three.
00:13:39.180 Let's queue up cut three.
00:13:40.180 Thank you for doing that.
00:13:40.940 That's exactly where I wanted you to go.
00:13:43.160 This is a bit of a longer clip.
00:13:45.140 It's a minute clip, but it's a bit more word salad from the Prime Minister.
00:13:49.380 But also, it touches on some of the points you raised.
00:13:52.240 Play cut three.
00:13:53.600 Can Europe replace the U.S. as Canada's closest ally?
00:13:59.280 We're over-dependent on the United States.
00:14:01.720 Too closely connected to the United States.
00:14:04.720 And we need to build our strength here at home and diversify and deepen our partnerships with like-minded countries internationally.
00:14:13.200 Now, when we look around the world, we see our values most aligned with those of the European Union.
00:14:21.280 And in fact, we're very complementary in what our strengths are.
00:14:24.920 And that's why the partnership is moving.
00:14:26.900 Now, it's very hard to, quote, replace, certainly in the short term, the scale of the relationship with the United States.
00:14:36.240 But again, what this partnership does, this association between Canada and the European Union does for both of us, is it makes us both more independent, more resilient, more prosperous.
00:14:49.880 Okay, I'm not sure about any of that last part.
00:14:52.420 Don't forget, Mark Carney has all his investments in the vast majority of the U.S. in U.S. dollars.
00:14:57.520 having said that we've built a system over 150 years with the relationship with the United
00:15:05.380 States setting up trade routes setting up agreements all of this is interconnected
00:15:09.640 to be able to say we can just snap our fingers and we'll be more prosperous in the EU I don't
00:15:16.460 see it plus he's not giving any details to give us that confidence that there is a future going
00:15:22.500 this way. Yeah. And again, I'm not sure. He does not have the details. He expressed that himself
00:15:28.740 in the previous video clip. What bothered me the most about that clip was how he talked about the
00:15:33.720 common values between Canada and the EU. Yet here he is cozying up to China, which should be very 0.96
00:15:42.080 concerning for Canadians. And then his most recent negotiations and deals have been with Turkey and
00:15:49.520 the UAE, nations that don't necessarily have the best human rights record. So I think you have to
00:15:57.120 be consistent in your trade diversification objectives and call things for what they are. 0.65
00:16:04.300 And the fact that he can't be shows me, one, that essentially he's just trying to have Canadians
00:16:13.140 take the focus off of the cost of living crisis that they are living, first of all.
00:16:18.800 And secondly, his inability to deliver on his primary election promise, which was to get a deal with the US. But I don't buy that values proposition for a minute, given his track record to date.
00:16:33.700 So he is failing by his own standards of the values alignment with trade partners, and then also in terms of the trade diversity that he wants to achieve, the sheer numbers that he has to make up in not getting a deal with the U.S.
00:16:54.000 So I see him having a lot of challenges ahead of him.
00:16:57.540 He's going to have to get the deal with the U.S.
00:16:59.340 He's going to have to keep making a lot more deals to get the dollar amount that's necessary to replace the U.S.
00:17:07.820 or even meet his own trade diversification deals.
00:17:10.660 And if he wants to talk about Canadian values, he's going to have to do a better job of looking for partners that actually share them.
00:17:18.040 we also have a an agreement and a partnership with with nato countries right so that includes
00:17:26.980 the european nation so we have the trade we have the military we have the protection let's just
00:17:32.100 implement some of these things get them going while at the same time let's let's but you know
00:17:38.460 let's so we got we have a few graphics here the biggest pollutant to an organic environment is
00:17:43.300 government itself when you're talking about business and free markets, right? As we mentioned
00:17:48.040 a few minutes ago, the European Union has massive amounts of bureaucracy and it keeps growing and
00:17:53.620 growing. So let's throw up a few of these graphics here. We're talking about the, now we're talking
00:17:58.100 about a carbon threat that the EU is threatening to hit Canada with. What does that mean? Where do
00:18:03.540 the dollars go? Throw the other one here quickly. All right, now we're talking about more bureaucracy 0.83
00:18:09.220 when it comes to labeling, et cetera, et cetera. And the list goes on. How, again, how do Canadian
00:18:15.740 businesses all of a sudden snap their fingers, retool, and be able to access this market while
00:18:23.200 having a ocean between us to navigate? Well, in talking to businesses, they don't want to,
00:18:30.940 as you know, we had our caucus retreat in Penticton, and I was very fortunate to attend a
00:18:38.120 stakeholders meeting of BC businesses. And one of them was a major forestry player. And he literally
00:18:46.520 said in his briefing to us, we don't want to sell our products to Luxembourg, I think was
00:18:53.240 just an example of a nation that he gave, that it is not a realistic alternative for businesses to
00:19:00.860 change their entire marketing plan to compensate for getting items across an ocean for sure,
00:19:08.460 maybe across an entire nation, Canada, and an ocean as well. So I think that this is something
00:19:14.920 that even businesses don't want to do. When you get into business, I'm very lucky to come from
00:19:20.580 a family business background, you have an idea as to who your market is and to have a significant
00:19:27.160 share of your market, the U.S., be taken away and being told to adjust your production,
00:19:34.860 your logistics, your shipping for another entity that is literally thousands and thousands of
00:19:42.500 miles away is not productive or conducive to any business model. So again, it's just unrealistic.
00:19:51.240 While we still have inter-provincial trade barriers,
00:19:55.060 meaning it's very difficult to get some goods and products
00:19:58.000 across provincial borders to actually make Canada work.
00:20:02.980 Can you get BC wine in Ontario?
00:20:04.640 No, you cannot.
00:20:05.520 Right, I think that's why I saw so many of our colleagues
00:20:08.580 loading their suitcases with it
00:20:10.900 when we left the caucus retreat there, Jamie.
00:20:13.640 All right, Stephanie, we're pretty much out of time.
00:20:15.340 Actually, we've gone over, but as you know,
00:20:17.100 the guests always get the last word.
00:20:18.620 The floor is yours.
00:20:19.540 please close us out. Well, thank you so much for having me. I think that Canadians need to be
00:20:26.220 realistic in two regards. The first one is what EU associate membership would mean for Canada.
00:20:32.620 It is not a magic pill that will solve all the problems. And secondly, they need to remember
00:20:40.340 the promise that Mark Carney made during the election and on election night that he would
00:20:45.500 stand up to Donald Trump in getting us a deal, and he has failed to keep that promise, Jamie.
00:20:51.340 Stephanie, thank you very much for coming on the show. It's always a pleasure having you.
00:20:55.120 Stephanie Cusey, Member of Parliament for Calgary, Mindipore, also the critic for international
00:20:59.840 trade. We thank her for your time. We thank you for yours. Don't forget, we have new content every
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