The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Energy Affordability

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00:00:37.460 We have today a very important topic.

00:00:39.780 I think it's something everybody, no matter where you live,

00:00:42.800 no matter what you do, you're talking about it.

00:00:44.820 That's the high price of energy is absolutely through the roof.

00:00:48.760 Some parts of the country are over $2 a litre for regular,

00:00:52.100 $2.30 for a litre of diesel,

00:00:55.320 which is affecting the price all through the board.

00:00:58.540 And to talk about that, the expert on the topic,

00:01:00.600 we have Shannon Stubbs, the Member of Parliament for Lakeland.

00:01:03.320 She's also the Shadow Minister for Rural Economic Development.

00:01:07.580 Welcome, Shannon.

00:01:08.540 Thanks, Jamie.

00:01:09.100 It's always nice to be here with you.

00:01:10.840 And I don't know about an expert,

00:01:12.140 but I am a rural person who's very familiar with hiking costs

00:01:16.420 and all the people who are hardly able to keep up.

00:01:19.160 Absolutely.

00:01:20.440 So let's, before we get to the NDP motion that we debated last week,

00:01:24.660 that is absolutely crazy.

00:01:26.300 Yeah.

00:01:26.560 Why don't we talk about the gas price?

00:01:28.680 What is causing this?

00:01:29.600 We have a war in Ukraine, Russia, 0.54

00:01:32.400 but at the end of the day,

00:01:34.040 why are we experiencing these high gas prices

00:01:37.300 when we have oil reserves right here in Canada?

00:01:39.720 Yeah, exactly.

00:01:40.460 That's the main thing that Canadians should be asking.

00:01:42.700 So I think this is obviously a combination of global factors

00:01:47.500 and fluctuations pushing up the prices here.

00:01:51.820 But of course, the carbon tax unnecessarily hikes the costs

00:01:55.800 every time any Canadian anywhere goes to fill up their tanks.

00:02:01.020 And the real key part, I think, is the issue that you've alluded to.

00:02:04.400 It just makes no sense whatsoever.

00:02:06.380 Being a country with the third largest oil reserves in the world,

00:02:09.980 with the fifth largest natural gas reserves in the world,

00:02:12.700 but no self-sufficiency, no cross-country infrastructure,

00:02:18.140 which forces refineries on the East Coast to import from the U.S.

00:02:24.060 actually, can you imagine this?

00:02:26.480 I don't know why, but importing from our neighbor 1.00

00:02:28.700 with fewer resources than us,

00:02:31.800 as the top country that we export.

00:02:35.240 And then, of course, after that, a whole bunch of countries

00:02:38.200 that don't even come close to Canada's environmental responsibility,

00:02:42.700 or labor standards, and never mind all of the environmental standards,

00:02:48.140 world-leading environmental standards that Canadian producers adhere to in Canada,

00:02:52.260 which, by the way, is also a better track record than the U.S.,

00:02:56.000 but certainly not to mention the OPEC countries.

00:02:58.360 Absolutely. So, COVID hit, kind of the world demand for gasoline went down.

00:03:03.080 As we kind of recovered through this, the demand went up.

00:03:06.220 Yeah.

00:03:06.980 We have a conflict in the Ukraine, which we mentioned before.

00:03:10.300 So, we have an increasing supply, but demand has kind of, or sorry, the increased demand,

00:03:16.220 but supply is starting to take a bit of a hit because of that disruption.

00:03:19.620 But at the same time, we have an industry in Canada that has been trying for,

00:03:23.880 as long as I can remember, try to expand and supply and disrupt not only the dictator oil,

00:03:30.540 but also allow their technology innovation within the domestic supply to rise and shine

00:03:36.980 and show that we do have labor standards that are top-notch.

00:03:40.320 We do have environmental standards and start producing the energy that the world needs.

00:03:46.280 In Asia, in Europe, we could have been ready.

00:03:48.940 We could have increased capacity, but right now we have handcuffed ourselves,

00:03:51.900 so we can't even offset some of this disruption.

00:03:55.240 Totally. And it is mind-boggling.

00:03:57.340 It is really a travesty, and I think if the kind of damage that has happened because of government

00:04:05.660 in the energy sector, either, you know, with a different government in place

00:04:11.160 or in any other country in the world, it would be considered an economic catastrophe.

00:04:16.300 But instead, the liberal and anti-energy left encourage exactly this

00:04:21.820 through their policy positions and obviously also through their advocacy.

00:04:26.400 To put this in perspective, there are up to 22, I think, major multibillion-dollar energy projects

00:04:38.540 in all different areas of the sector that have been cancelled or stalled

00:04:42.620 under these liberals since 2015.

00:04:45.680 A real travesty for those proponents of reducing emissions

00:04:50.540 and making real concrete contributions to environmental stewardship,

00:04:54.640 which, of course, yeah, Canada is already the best in the world,

00:04:57.460 but internationally would have been the opportunity for LNG export from Canada,

00:05:01.720 from all of our coasts.

00:05:03.560 Jamie, 18 projects, potential LNG export projects,

00:05:08.340 have been cancelled under these liberals because of the uncertainty,

00:05:11.740 the delays, the timelines, the high costs,

00:05:15.360 and the unpredictability of the business environment in Canada

00:05:18.320 that the liberals have created.

00:05:19.540 So what's mind-boggling to me is that the people in Canada

00:05:23.040 who want to phase out the oil and gas sector,

00:05:24.900 they want to do this ostensibly to protect the environment,

00:05:28.460 which is a value that all of us actually share,

00:05:31.000 despite what they claim,

00:05:32.860 they're doing the exact opposite of what would allow Canada

00:05:36.580 to make that role, to play that role to reduce global emissions.

00:05:40.520 And by pulling Canada out of the international market,

00:05:45.480 by hamstringing primary oil and gas production,

00:05:49.040 and on top of that making it impossible

00:05:50.580 to get any major infrastructure or export infrastructure built,

00:05:54.860 then they're taking Canada out of the game

00:05:56.640 and ceding that market share to oil and gas producers around the world

00:06:00.860 who don't come anywhere near the environmental standards

00:06:03.880 that Canadian producers do.

00:06:06.480 And also, of course, the difference in Canada

00:06:10.020 is that oil and gas production benefits everybody.

00:06:13.180 Certainly there are direct benefits to the local communities

00:06:16.640 or to the local indigenous communities

00:06:18.420 and indigenous workers and businesses operating in the sectors

00:06:21.920 which are usually in rural and remote areas.

00:06:24.820 But the tax revenue that comes out of that work

00:06:28.980 is spread right across the country

00:06:31.480 and provides programs and services

00:06:33.420 for every single Canadian, every corner, and every community.

00:06:37.480 Not to mention, of course, a spin-off,

00:06:39.400 the secondary and tertiary economic impacts

00:06:41.280 throughout the economies of all provinces.

00:06:44.300 But to, you know, the Prime Minister has always said,

00:06:47.360 well, we believe the economy and the environment go hand in hand.

00:06:49.940 Well, I think it's the Conservative approach

00:06:52.400 that actually shows that

00:06:53.920 because the Prime Minister says that on one hand,

00:06:56.880 but what he actually does is spout myths about the oil and gas sector

00:07:01.680 to pit them against each other

00:07:03.600 and is calling Canada to phase out

00:07:05.980 all our oil and gas workers and businesses

00:07:08.900 on which hundreds of thousands of livelihoods depend,

00:07:11.700 even while legitimate international experts

00:07:15.340 like Worley Parsons have said

00:07:18.280 in very comprehensive comparative analysis

00:07:22.220 with Canada and other major oil and gas-producing jurisdictions,

00:07:25.660 comparable ones around the world,

00:07:27.760 that Canada is second to none

00:07:29.440 in terms of consultation,

00:07:32.160 you know, inclusion of science,

00:07:34.320 evidence-based decision-making,

00:07:37.120 inclusion of traditional knowledge,

00:07:39.280 community consultation, Indigenous consultation.

00:07:43.280 Canada traditionally and over and over

00:07:45.260 is recognized as one of the best in the world.

00:07:47.180 And now we are a country because of these Liberals

00:07:51.140 where nothing can get built

00:07:53.540 and nobody knows what the rules are

00:07:55.580 and it is unfair, unpredictable.

00:07:58.020 Or as the Alberta Court of Appeal just said,

00:08:01.440 uncertain, unpredictable, unquantifiable,

00:08:06.580 and another word that is escaping me at this moment.

00:08:11.000 But it's all the things Conservatives warned

00:08:13.380 the Liberals would make it.

00:08:14.520 Absolutely, we've been talking about this forever.

00:08:16.080 What I'd like to point out is that Keystone XL

00:08:20.820 was canceled when Joe Biden came in.

00:08:23.040 And of course, prices started to spike

00:08:24.540 in the United States.

00:08:25.900 You know, it's through the roof there as well.

00:08:28.220 What did Joe Biden do when he wanted excess or more supply?

00:08:31.580 He turned to OPEC nations for an increase.

00:08:34.960 Meanwhile, we're right here.

00:08:36.040 Did the Prime Minister pick up the phone and say,

00:08:38.640 hey, President Biden, we have an abundance of supply here.

00:08:41.360 Why don't we help you out

00:08:42.520 because we're neighbors and friends?

00:08:44.440 But it was crickets.

00:08:45.420 Not even a try to get Keystone started again.

00:08:49.740 Yes, it was totally crickets.

00:08:51.660 And I think it was actually back when you and I

00:08:53.760 were working primarily on natural resources together,

00:08:56.340 if I have this timeline right,

00:08:57.940 that would have been the beginning

00:08:59.340 of some of the legal challenges in the U.S.

00:09:01.360 What we said at the time was,

00:09:03.480 the Canadian government should,

00:09:05.160 like on 5 Alarm 5 emergency basis right now,

00:09:08.000 figure out how to provide every possible tool,

00:09:12.600 legal support and resource to help the proponent

00:09:16.580 make the case within the American courts for KXL,

00:09:20.980 while at the same time really escalating their diplomatic efforts

00:09:26.260 because, of course,

00:09:27.160 there were already American politicians

00:09:28.440 who were campaigning against it.

00:09:30.460 Now, again, they're a little bit like

00:09:32.100 the noisy, impactful minority on this issue,

00:09:37.700 as sometimes is the case in oil and gas

00:09:39.640 producing communities in Canada

00:09:42.620 where actually the majority support it,

00:09:45.560 but there is a noisy minority

00:09:46.800 who absolutely have the right

00:09:47.760 to express their views and speak,

00:09:49.140 but there are fewer.

00:09:50.860 That's the same, actually,

00:09:52.020 in terms of the legislators in the U.S.

00:09:53.740 and their opinion of Keystone XL,

00:09:56.320 but you have an ideological agenda there at play

00:09:59.440 that has nothing to do with

00:10:00.900 either American energy security,

00:10:02.940 Canadian energy security,

00:10:04.800 or securing North American energy supply

00:10:08.140 as we ought to be.

00:10:09.120 Well, let's talk about this then.

00:10:10.220 The left wants us to be more reliant

00:10:11.760 on electric vehicles,

00:10:12.820 which is fine if the technology innovation drives us there,

00:10:15.360 but at the same time,

00:10:16.540 if you're going to up your demand

00:10:19.540 for electric vehicles,

00:10:21.440 we also have to start mining

00:10:23.200 for the materials needed

00:10:24.460 for the electric vehicles,

00:10:26.680 and it's called rare earth for a reason.

00:10:29.080 So it's bad to take...

00:10:30.340 And it's mostly being mined in China right now.

00:10:32.000 In China.

00:10:32.980 By children.

00:10:33.780 Yes, exactly.

00:10:35.000 Or in mines bought up by China in Africa

00:10:37.780 using children in some cases.

00:10:40.260 Yeah.

00:10:40.640 But it's bad to take oil out of the ground.

00:10:43.600 It's okay to take rare earth materials

00:10:45.840 out of the ground.

00:10:47.220 Forget the impact,

00:10:48.580 the environmental,

00:10:49.620 the impact,

00:10:50.220 the footprint that it leaves,

00:10:51.720 but it's also...

00:10:54.680 When you talk about energy in the world,

00:10:56.840 conservatives want an abundance of energy.

00:10:58.800 Yes.

00:10:58.980 They want choices.

00:11:00.120 Both and, not either or.

00:11:01.480 Yeah, both.

00:11:01.500 Exactly.

00:11:02.220 Both.

00:11:03.160 The left wants to shave off

00:11:05.840 and shut down oil and gas

00:11:06.860 and only have one source.

00:11:08.800 Yeah.

00:11:09.060 You know, we have problems with recycling,

00:11:10.420 all that stuff,

00:11:11.240 and the battery life and all that.

00:11:12.640 But when conservatives talk about energy,

00:11:14.700 we want an abundance of source

00:11:16.460 because abundance equals peace.

00:11:17.900 And when you have more of something,

00:11:19.600 there is more for everyone.

00:11:20.980 Yeah.

00:11:21.180 And we can be a leader in that.

00:11:23.100 Totally.

00:11:23.660 And this is one of the things

00:11:25.020 that always boggles my mind

00:11:26.760 when, well,

00:11:27.840 I guess it seems like every political party

00:11:30.460 except for conservatives

00:11:31.400 set this discussion up

00:11:34.100 as if it is mutually exclusive

00:11:36.500 or as if these things

00:11:37.780 are pit against each other

00:11:38.940 because, of course, they aren't

00:11:40.040 because, of course,

00:11:40.640 in Canada,

00:11:42.300 you know,

00:11:43.360 in terms of clean technology

00:11:44.640 or the development of alternative

00:11:46.360 and renewable energies,

00:11:48.340 well, first of all,

00:11:49.180 the biggest funders of those things,

00:11:51.300 bar none,

00:11:52.360 just comparing all apples and oranges,

00:11:54.180 are governments

00:11:54.840 and utility companies.

00:11:56.140 But then when you get into

00:11:57.140 the private sector

00:11:57.920 and you say,

00:11:58.580 hmm, which companies are

00:11:59.900 among the top private sector,

00:12:02.200 and now I'm not talking about

00:12:03.100 just investment conglomerates,

00:12:04.800 which private companies

00:12:06.800 are among the top investors

00:12:07.980 in alternative energies

00:12:09.900 and renewable energies

00:12:11.120 and in clean tech?

00:12:12.540 Well, it's oil sands

00:12:13.120 and pipeline companies.

00:12:14.700 They are

00:12:15.620 because they're multi-integrated,

00:12:17.960 innovative energy companies.

00:12:19.300 And the market's demanding that.

00:12:20.200 Yes.

00:12:20.680 The market wants that.

00:12:21.780 Right.

00:12:22.240 So, government doesn't need

00:12:24.180 to insert its,

00:12:27.260 in this case,

00:12:28.200 not invisible hand

00:12:29.180 and pick winners over losers

00:12:31.960 and force this,

00:12:33.560 what they call,

00:12:34.040 just transition,

00:12:35.000 which actually is a code word

00:12:36.540 for utter devastation

00:12:37.820 of hundreds of thousands

00:12:38.620 of Canadians.

00:12:39.620 But only domestically.

00:12:40.600 Livelihoods

00:12:40.620 and our standard of living.

00:12:41.380 We can still import it.

00:12:42.480 That's okay.

00:12:43.120 Yeah, yeah.

00:12:43.500 Don't look behind the curtain.

00:12:45.140 Yeah.

00:12:45.640 You know what else

00:12:46.500 always confuses me too, Jamie,

00:12:48.300 exactly to your point,

00:12:49.580 is, so for me,

00:12:50.960 like, I have no problem

00:12:52.340 with the idea of moving

00:12:53.360 towards these other forms

00:12:54.660 of energy.

00:12:55.440 But we have to be realistic

00:12:56.520 how we're going to do it.

00:12:57.540 Yes.

00:12:57.840 And Canadians will also use 0.95

00:12:59.740 those other forms of energy

00:13:00.860 when they are abundant,

00:13:01.960 available, affordable.

00:13:03.060 Affordable, yes.

00:13:03.840 And feasible in their lives.

00:13:06.720 And that has been

00:13:07.220 our whole point the whole time.

00:13:08.460 Yes.

00:13:09.300 And, but to your point

00:13:10.600 about the rare earth

00:13:11.720 mineral mining,

00:13:12.540 you know,

00:13:15.180 so knowing that right now

00:13:17.640 globally,

00:13:18.760 the, the, the,

00:13:21.640 I guess what you would call

00:13:22.980 maybe the feedstock

00:13:23.900 for the development

00:13:24.840 of these technologies

00:13:25.800 is mined in other countries.

00:13:29.140 Yes.

00:13:29.580 And it's not just like

00:13:30.780 child labor and in countries

00:13:32.520 where they violate human rights

00:13:34.440 and all that stuff.

00:13:35.240 It's also like in some

00:13:36.700 of these places,

00:13:37.260 if you, for example,

00:13:38.320 look at the tailings pits

00:13:39.400 of mines of rare earth minerals.

00:13:41.300 Jamie, it is

00:13:42.140 utter environmental devastation,

00:13:45.380 devastation to agricultural land,

00:13:47.880 devastation to farmers

00:13:49.120 for hundreds of square miles.

00:13:52.200 And then, of course,

00:13:52.640 there's the back end problem

00:13:53.720 we know countries

00:13:54.500 are already having

00:13:55.140 with disposable,

00:13:56.300 disposing of that hazardous waste.

00:13:58.860 Well, the, again,

00:14:00.880 the anti-energy opponents

00:14:02.020 who are trying to put this up

00:14:03.100 as an either or a conversation,

00:14:05.380 those are the very people

00:14:06.440 who often you hear talking

00:14:08.280 about cumulative effects

00:14:09.780 of industrial development.

00:14:10.840 Well, conservatives also care

00:14:12.400 about cumulative effects

00:14:13.780 of industrial development

00:14:15.260 and ensuring that we reduce

00:14:17.760 that as much as possible

00:14:18.820 and uphold environmental stewardship.

00:14:20.460 But how is,

00:14:22.540 how are those proponents

00:14:24.020 not just totally fine

00:14:26.120 with that being

00:14:28.220 the real cumulative effects

00:14:29.700 of forcing this transition

00:14:30.980 before Canada's producing

00:14:32.380 its own?

00:14:33.720 And, but then,

00:14:36.160 then as soon as you try

00:14:37.700 to talk to them

00:14:38.400 about the real

00:14:39.280 cumulative effects

00:14:40.320 of Canadian oil and gas development

00:14:41.920 and how it stacks up

00:14:42.840 second to none

00:14:43.460 on the planet,

00:14:45.080 well, they still say,

00:14:47.080 we don't care.

00:14:48.700 You're only going to be able

00:14:49.640 to build a pipeline

00:14:50.440 on this country,

00:14:51.260 in this country

00:14:51.880 if you can definitely account,

00:14:53.820 if the pipeline company

00:14:54.940 can definitely account

00:14:55.860 for how much emissions

00:14:58.180 are going to come out

00:14:58.740 of tailpipes

00:14:59.320 of the end user.

00:14:59.820 Yeah, right.

00:15:00.220 Like, okay.

00:15:00.840 How do you know?

00:15:01.660 Yeah.

00:15:02.040 Yeah.

00:15:02.420 And the intersectional dynamics

00:15:04.160 of whatever the heck

00:15:05.360 you better be able

00:15:06.100 to account for

00:15:06.780 before you can even

00:15:08.120 get into apply

00:15:09.640 for a pipeline.

00:15:10.180 And it's great

00:15:10.960 if you're a left-wing investor,

00:15:12.200 right?

00:15:12.400 You can invest

00:15:13.040 your client's money

00:15:14.280 in countries

00:15:15.760 that are producing

00:15:17.260 oil and gas

00:15:18.000 that don't have

00:15:18.800 the kind of

00:15:20.100 the green Marxists

00:15:20.980 that North America

00:15:22.120 seems to have

00:15:22.900 while at the same time

00:15:24.060 having your client's money

00:15:25.980 put into kind of

00:15:27.280 renewable government-accepted

00:15:29.580 methods of transition,

00:15:31.620 if you will.

00:15:32.240 Yes.

00:15:32.500 And you win either way.

00:15:33.580 Yes.

00:15:33.820 You're a winner

00:15:34.360 because you know

00:15:34.920 oil and gas

00:15:35.460 isn't going to go down.

00:15:36.680 You've curbed the supply

00:15:37.900 here at home,

00:15:39.160 but you've also created

00:15:40.320 a heavily subsidized market

00:15:41.880 in the EV technology field

00:15:44.820 that you win either way.

00:15:46.840 Yes.

00:15:47.280 And there's an additional thing

00:15:48.520 here that I find

00:15:49.900 very, very troubling,

00:15:51.720 and I think people

00:15:52.640 should know about it.

00:15:54.040 You remember,

00:15:54.680 well, I guess it's still happening,

00:15:55.580 but remember

00:15:56.600 when like a lot

00:15:59.180 of the big banks

00:16:00.360 or the international funds

00:16:02.360 were starting to make

00:16:03.080 a big show

00:16:03.940 about pulling out of Canada

00:16:05.860 and pulling out

00:16:07.020 of the oil stands

00:16:07.620 in particular.

00:16:09.380 Well, I don't know.

00:16:10.680 I ended up meeting

00:16:12.060 a person who is

00:16:13.760 all tied into those circles.

00:16:16.360 So he is like,

00:16:17.720 you know,

00:16:18.480 a bazillionaire

00:16:19.280 and absolutely

00:16:21.020 in the upper echelons

00:16:22.260 of the elite mucky mucks. 0.65

00:16:24.580 But he's originally

00:16:26.260 a rural Canadian

00:16:27.020 and he cares about Canada.

00:16:29.480 He wants to put Canada first.

00:16:31.320 He cares about

00:16:31.780 employing everyday Canadians.

00:16:33.240 He cares about

00:16:33.500 investing in the country.

00:16:35.420 And he's involved

00:16:36.040 in a whole bunch

00:16:36.480 of different sectors,

00:16:37.480 but he was trying

00:16:37.960 to build some major

00:16:38.760 infrastructure in our country.

00:16:41.760 And so he hobnobs 0.98

00:16:44.320 like at all these places

00:16:45.900 around the world

00:16:46.900 where they make

00:16:47.340 these decisions

00:16:48.100 and like with the Swiss banks

00:16:49.540 and all that.

00:16:49.980 So I talked to him

00:16:51.800 about this

00:16:52.340 and I said,

00:16:52.760 you know,

00:16:53.160 like what is going on here?

00:16:54.660 Is this a show

00:16:55.560 or is this a real thing?

00:16:58.020 And he said,

00:16:59.040 oh,

00:16:59.680 investors are 100%

00:17:00.900 pulling out of Canada

00:17:01.680 because of the uncertainty,

00:17:03.260 because of the risk,

00:17:04.300 because of they can't,

00:17:06.200 you know,

00:17:06.660 it's not a,

00:17:08.080 you know,

00:17:08.240 they can't assess

00:17:08.980 their ROI there.

00:17:10.620 They don't even have confidence

00:17:12.020 that once they pass

00:17:14.160 the newly,

00:17:15.980 the new just total schmozzle

00:17:18.300 schmozzle of a regulatory process

00:17:20.580 that there's going

00:17:21.020 to be any political will

00:17:22.100 to allow them

00:17:22.760 to actually build

00:17:23.620 because you can look

00:17:26.420 at those exact same investors

00:17:27.840 who are pulling out of Canada

00:17:28.840 and whether their funds

00:17:29.800 are in other countries,

00:17:32.100 it's,

00:17:32.300 it's clearly not about

00:17:34.720 being best in class

00:17:35.820 on the environment.

00:17:37.520 And he said,

00:17:38.460 however,

00:17:39.440 because all these,

00:17:41.020 you know,

00:17:41.480 all these elites hobnob

00:17:43.480 and it's all about relationships

00:17:45.540 and they have all their

00:17:46.600 fancy meetings.

00:17:48.120 Yeah,

00:17:48.360 they'll never change.

00:17:49.060 Yes,

00:17:49.480 and they don't want,

00:17:50.080 and they're not,

00:17:50.620 they don't actually want to admit

00:17:51.700 like,

00:17:53.040 no,

00:17:53.320 we're pulling our money out

00:17:54.140 because the government's

00:17:54.860 made a mess of Canada.

00:17:57.700 They instead are going to spin

00:17:59.400 that it is,

00:18:00.340 you know,

00:18:00.620 because of their

00:18:01.120 environmental consciousness,

00:18:02.640 like,

00:18:03.520 and,

00:18:04.300 and they're concerned

00:18:05.540 about the environment.

00:18:06.660 It's so destructive

00:18:07.760 to Canada,

00:18:08.560 but that is why

00:18:09.500 it is so imperative

00:18:10.980 that elected representatives

00:18:12.440 in Canada

00:18:13.080 have to commit ourselves

00:18:15.360 to busting myths,

00:18:16.900 to fighting back,

00:18:18.100 to valuing our own sectors

00:18:19.520 and to put Canadian industries

00:18:21.000 and Canadian workers first.

00:18:22.720 Absolutely,

00:18:23.180 100%.

00:18:23.600 I wanted to get to the,

00:18:24.600 the NDP motion

00:18:25.820 that happened yesterday,

00:18:26.720 but we are actually

00:18:27.380 pretty much out of time.

00:18:28.420 Unfortunately,

00:18:28.720 that was a good conversation.

00:18:30.080 We'll have to have you back on

00:18:31.220 to talk about that,

00:18:32.040 but as you know,

00:18:32.980 I always give the,

00:18:33.820 the guests the,

00:18:34.620 the last word.

00:18:35.620 You,

00:18:35.960 you,

00:18:36.560 you,

00:18:36.900 you've summed it up pretty well,

00:18:38.080 but if there's anything else

00:18:38.960 you want to say,

00:18:40.080 the floor is yours.

00:18:40.800 Well,

00:18:41.180 I don't think there is

00:18:42.000 anything else to say

00:18:43.160 except that

00:18:43.720 when we do get a chance

00:18:44.880 to talk about

00:18:46.120 this motion

00:18:47.200 that the Liberals

00:18:48.060 and,

00:18:48.720 or the NDP

00:18:49.260 have put together,

00:18:50.800 this is just

00:18:51.620 their classic ideology

00:18:53.040 that makes no sense.

00:18:54.100 It all comes from

00:18:55.020 exactly

00:18:55.700 what we were talking about

00:18:57.260 in this conversation

00:18:58.260 and it's wrongheaded

00:18:59.560 and it's bad for Canada.

00:19:00.620 So that's why

00:19:00.960 it's more important

00:19:01.420 than ever for Conservatives

00:19:02.420 to do our jobs

00:19:03.120 and to fight

00:19:03.760 for everyday working Canadians

00:19:04.920 and for all Canadian sectors,

00:19:07.180 but especially

00:19:07.660 for our world-leading

00:19:09.120 oil and gas sector

00:19:09.880 which is under attack

00:19:10.700 and benefits

00:19:11.220 every community

00:19:11.800 in the country.

00:19:12.640 I couldn't agree more.

00:19:13.580 A wealth of knowledge.

00:19:14.820 That is Shannon Stubbs,

00:19:15.640 a Member of Parliament

00:19:16.220 for Lakeland

00:19:17.320 in the beautiful

00:19:17.860 province of Alberta,

00:19:18.940 also the Shadow Minister

00:19:20.140 for Rural Economic Development.

00:19:22.000 She is doing a great job

00:19:23.340 and unfortunately

00:19:23.880 she has so much knowledge

00:19:25.100 we ran out of time

00:19:25.880 so we'll have to bring her back 0.97

00:19:26.880 to talk further about this.

00:19:28.420 We do appreciate

00:19:29.020 your time as well.

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - May 24, 2022

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