The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Extortion is out of control.

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm

00:00:13.740 your host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton-Caworthal Lakes, with new content

00:00:17.460 for you every single Tuesday, 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time. Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe,

00:00:21.920 and share this program, because today we are talking about a familiar topic, crime, but

00:00:27.260 a unique focus that being extortion which is on the rise in this country something i never thought

00:00:33.480 i would actually say to talk about this we bring on the brockinator larry brock a member of parliament

00:00:38.940 for uh brantford south six nations thanks for coming on the show thank you and the first timer

00:00:44.580 our pancana the member of parliament for oxford thank you sir both in ontario that's close by

00:00:50.060 nicely done thanks for coming on the show happy to be here all right sorry to break you in on

00:00:54.980 such a weird topic weird being this something i don't think it's up until recently i've never

00:01:02.020 really talked about it in my time on this planet yeah no it was a topic that no one wants to talk

00:01:06.940 about either i think it came out of nowhere yeah as we know under our peers harper government it's

00:01:11.740 never an issue until last few years we've seen this pick up in in surrey in brampton in calgary

00:01:18.000 and uh we've all seen the footage and i'm sure we'll go through some of that today it's it's

00:01:22.140 crazy. It's crazy to see the level of carelessness, recklessness that these criminals are doing and

00:01:29.400 how they're terrorizing these communities. And Larry and I have traveled quite a bit. We all

00:01:34.120 often joke that we spend more time together than we do with our wives. But I can tell you the

00:01:37.840 stories we hear are heartbreaking and it's frustrating. And this government has done

00:01:41.540 absolutely nothing to fix the problem. So, Jamie, you got to ask yourself, why is this such a

00:01:47.460 pervasive issue plaguing this country really from coast to coast.

00:01:53.140 And all you've got to do is take a look at the last 10 plus years

00:01:56.040 of failed liberal criminal policy.

00:02:00.580 As we've talked about before, we talked about violent crime on the rise.

00:02:03.760 We have.

00:02:04.120 You know, people are not feeling safe in the communities,

00:02:06.420 no matter where you are.

00:02:07.400 Right.

00:02:07.660 But what, when we focus on extortion, before we go down that road,

00:02:10.800 I just want to, what is extortion?

00:02:12.980 For those just tuning in and thinking, I've heard it,

00:02:16.000 I'm not sure what it is.

00:02:17.460 What is it? Not in the lawyer's speak, just in this.

00:02:20.040 It's basically making a demand for something with either the actual use of threats or the perceived use of threats.

00:02:31.340 It could be words. It could be actions.

00:02:34.300 Quite often it is accompanied by the use of a weapon.

00:02:38.260 It could be knives. It could be firebombing.

00:02:41.500 It could be sending off letters that you either give me X amount of dollars in so many hours or so many days.

00:02:49.820 This is what's going to happen not only to your person, but to your family, to your assets, to your business.

00:02:57.800 So that really is extortion, is demanding something that's not rightfully yours by some degree of force.

00:03:05.600 So what Larry and I have actually seen is that what's actually happening is these people are getting WhatsApp calls.

00:03:10.780 So if you're a business owner, you get a WhatsApp call.

00:03:14.280 If you don't pick up, they'll leave a voice message.

00:03:16.500 And they'll say very clearly that we know who you are.

00:03:19.860 We know where you're from.

00:03:21.000 We know where you live.

00:03:22.440 You have X amount of days to give us half a million dollars, a million dollars.

00:03:26.020 We've heard up to $5 million recently.

00:03:28.740 And if you don't pay, we're going to shoot your house.

00:03:30.740 We're going to come after your family.

00:03:32.520 And what happens is that if you don't respond for the first day, the next day, they actually show up to your house.

00:03:38.600 And they actually fire at your house.

00:03:39.780 They shoot.

00:03:40.780 And then they make a video of that and they say, hey, we weren't joking.

00:03:45.820 Here's the proof.

00:03:47.060 Next time, it's going to hit your family members or you directly.

00:03:50.700 And so, as Larry mentioned, it's shootings, but also they're burning people's houses down.

00:03:54.180 And it's just caused this fear among the community.

00:03:58.280 And I can tell you, some people have actually paid.

00:04:00.400 Some people are scared for their kids' future, have actually said, I don't want my kids to die.

00:04:04.960 And the police is trying to do the best they can, but even then, they're not able to.

00:04:09.460 And the problem is, once you pay, there's no guarantee that they're not going to come back or pass on, hey, I found a great target here.

00:04:19.000 I got a piggy bank here.

00:04:19.780 Right?

00:04:20.200 And this is targeting specifically the South Asian community by, unfortunately, illegals entering our country from South Asia.

00:04:31.800 So we've got criminal organizations.

00:04:35.360 We've got transnational gang members involved in this.

00:04:39.460 They found a lucrative area to exploit these people.

00:04:43.540 What's happening to the likes of the citizens of Surrey, Calgary, Brampton,

00:04:48.760 literally living constantly in a state of fear.

00:04:52.840 This is not Canada.

00:04:54.820 So if this is not a wake-up call for law enforcement,

00:04:58.600 but particularly our federal government,

00:05:01.500 which I hope we have an opportunity of discussing the good, the bad, the ugly,

00:05:05.640 and what we have proposed as very sensible, common-sense solutions to combat,

00:05:13.160 as the mayor of Surrey has declared, this is a national state of emergency.

00:05:17.900 All right, cue up, cut one.

00:05:19.380 This is a video of, I guess, consequences of not giving what the people want

00:05:25.560 that are making these demands.

00:05:26.760 Play, cut one.

00:05:35.640 okay so decent neighborhood there three car garage nice neighborhood truck yeah what

00:05:53.400 so i heard what was that i heard two megs yeah loaded i heard about 20 shots in that

00:05:58.140 in that clip and that's just been the norm and if you look at it but as successful people

00:06:04.120 business owners potentially and they're saying right now it's a crime to be successful in this

00:06:09.420 country you know we gave up so much we sacrificed time away from our families we set up these

00:06:14.500 businesses only to be extorted our folks that are moving out of the country they're saying we're

00:06:20.320 going to go to the u.s we're going to invest there and god forbid if the owner fired back

00:06:24.920 right they'd be charged right so that's just it just shows you and i can tell you the folks that

00:06:30.260 are being extorted they're not living in their basement because the police said don't stay

00:06:33.620 upstairs because you might get hit with a bullet, stay in the basement where the bullet can't come

00:06:37.180 to you. We were at a town hall in Surrey, if you remember, Larry, one of the victims stood up and

00:06:43.700 said his son was just in that bedroom 10 minutes before playing video games when he came and said,

00:06:50.420 hey, it's almost 1 a.m., you have school tomorrow, go to bed. And his kid's like, no. And he's like,

00:06:56.280 no, you're going to bed. A bullet literally was left right where the kid was sitting half an hour

00:07:01.040 later and this this press conference jamie took place about three three and a half weeks ago

00:07:07.120 at that time the city of surrey experienced 35 individual cases of extortion with without

00:07:16.740 firearm arson related extortion in 21 days so so why can't the police find the people responsible

00:07:24.660 why is it expanding so much they they are finding they are finding they are the culprits

00:07:30.680 But unfortunately, you know, we have a system of bail that rewards bad behavior.

00:07:38.140 We have a system that does not prioritize the seriousness of extortion.

00:07:43.340 We've got the principle of restraint rearing its ugly head again, particularly with these non-designated citizens, illegal citizens in our country.

00:07:56.200 We have these individuals now claiming several months, several years after the fact, asylum if they get caught up in the legal system, just prolonging their ability to stay in this country.

00:08:07.200 But there was one case example, and Marpan, you might want to be able to elaborate on, the police rounded up 10 or 15 individuals tied to an extortion sting somewhere in the lower mainland.

00:08:19.200 all individuals. Even the heinous nature of the actual extortion itself, I think it all involved

00:08:27.800 firearms and shootings, etc. Every single one of those individuals was released on bail.

00:08:34.580 If there isn't an example where community safety and shocking the conscience of the public,

00:08:42.760 which is the secondary and tertiary grounds for detention in the criminal code would not be

00:08:48.160 activated it would certainly be in a case like that why on earth would a justice feel that they

00:08:55.420 were doing and discharging their responsibilities accordingly by releasing these menaces to society

00:09:01.240 to expand on that in edmonton there was a case where this guy did the extortion the police they

00:09:07.660 found him they caught him okay uh he burned a house down in edmonton a new bill that was happening

00:09:11.500 from a bill that he's trying to extort from they arrested him they charged him but they released

00:09:16.420 him. And they gave him his passport. And the next day, what did he do? He jumped on a plane,

00:09:23.140 first he got it paid by the people that were making it happen, took the money,

00:09:26.820 caught off like it was gone. And that's why we've been asking for these changes in my Jail Not Bail

00:09:30.960 Act. I want to make sure that any non-resident of Canada who's not a citizen has to give up their

00:09:36.860 passport as a mandatory condition, wants to get charged. How's that happen? Let's talk more about

00:09:41.860 what we are going to do as a government.

00:09:43.280 That's right.

00:09:43.580 First, let's queue up cut to him.

00:09:45.540 And this is a story of the individual

00:09:47.440 you had spoken about just a few moments ago

00:09:49.700 that had to stay in his basement

00:09:52.100 on the advice from police

00:09:54.220 so he nor his family don't get shot.

00:09:57.120 Play cut to.

00:09:58.160 Dharmjitamand refused to pay,

00:10:00.640 one bullet piercing a trailer,

00:10:02.500 then penetrating the house.

00:10:04.060 He said, you have to donate us $2 million.

00:10:08.760 That's your duty to give us $2 million.

00:10:10.580 I said two million dollars. I thought somebody was yoking.

00:10:13.580 Dharamjit says the calls and voice messages telling him to give millions of dollars started about two months before the shooting.

00:10:21.580 Messages, same thing. If I don't pay them, they can shoot me.

00:10:26.580 Another came afterwards.

00:10:29.580 The caller says next time the bullets will be fired inside Dharamjit's home at his forehead.

00:10:36.580 And the caller says he's from the Lawrence Bishnoy gang.

00:10:40.000 Lawrence Bishnoy has been in prison in India since 2015,

00:10:43.400 but is allegedly still running an international criminal gang.

00:10:48.380 Okay, that's a classic case.

00:10:52.140 That's a classic case.

00:10:53.400 That is happening to folks right across this country.

00:10:56.180 And a lot of it doesn't go reported.

00:10:57.880 People are scared.

00:10:58.700 They don't want to talk about it.

00:10:59.720 We've met with them and they said,

00:11:00.960 we don't want to come in front of the camera.

00:11:02.780 We don't want this to expand any further

00:11:04.180 because they feel like the police can't take care of them.

00:11:06.820 In a normal world, when you're doing those shootings,

00:11:09.340 you don't videotape yourself.

00:11:10.960 So that just shows the lack of fear.

00:11:13.900 How brazen, how fearless these individuals are.

00:11:18.540 So where did this all start?

00:11:20.100 We talked about the last 10 years,

00:11:22.580 a very soft on crime,

00:11:25.200 rewarding basically bad behavior

00:11:27.160 at the expense of community and victim safety.

00:11:30.020 But let's take a look at what Justin Trudeau

00:11:32.240 and the Liberal government did in the 44th Parliament.

00:11:35.400 They passed C5.

00:11:37.160 We all, all members of the opposition, the official opposition,

00:11:42.120 opposed C5, which literally stripped mandatory minimum penalties

00:11:47.040 for the most significant criminal charges in the criminal code,

00:11:52.700 wiped out all mandatory minimum penalties

00:11:55.340 under the Controlled Drugs and Substances Act,

00:11:58.340 which is a separate story unto itself, given our fentanyl crisis.

00:12:02.240 But using just an example, using a firearm in the commission of offense, using imitation firearm, discharging firearm with intent, weapons trafficking, possession of a prohibited or restricted firearm with ammunition, discharging firearm, robbery with a firearm, extortion.

00:12:20.300 Okay. Extortion had a mandatory minimum penalty of four years to express Parliament's condemnation of a very serious criminal charge to send the appropriate message to any would-be extortionists.

00:12:39.400 You do this, you can expect a very significant penalty. Penalties are designed to act as a deterrent.

00:12:47.800 When you take away deterrent measures, you open up the possibility that is game on.

00:12:55.580 And these extortionists realize C-5 has stripped away penalties.

00:13:01.460 Our Bill C-75 has rewarded them with easy bail, catch and release.

00:13:07.580 This government had operate, this new government, this new quote-unquote

00:13:11.800 carny liberal government, same old, had an opportunity with the passage of C-14 and soon

00:13:19.600 to be C-16 that we're going to be studying at committee to really focus again on this national

00:13:26.360 crisis that we're facing with extortion. All that C-14 did was to add another reverse onus

00:13:34.660 provision for extortion. I've explained to you, you know, you can make literally every single

00:13:40.700 charge in the criminal code which is some over a thousand pages long a reverse onus provision

00:13:46.840 which means that the accused must demonstrate why they should be released we'd still have the same

00:13:52.520 problem so adding a reverse onus does not improve community safety does not give protection to the

00:13:59.120 victims that you saw on the screen right there we need to adopt the measures in jail not bail

00:14:05.500 create a separate category of a major offense,

00:14:09.320 which clearly extortion would fall under,

00:14:11.920 and the moment a person is charged with a major offense,

00:14:15.760 in this case extortion,

00:14:17.320 there's a presumption of detention,

00:14:20.060 which means, doesn't mean that they're forbidden

00:14:22.620 from making application for bail,

00:14:24.660 it just means that they're not going to be processed

00:14:27.380 as quickly through the provincial courts.

00:14:30.480 If it's going to be a presumption of detention,

00:14:32.940 it must be dealt with in superior court,

00:14:35.040 that has more resources, that a Crown now has the ability to spend quality time to present a case

00:14:42.960 and convince the trier of fact that there is a very real concern under the secondary and tertiary grounds

00:14:50.400 that this person, usually this non-citizen, should be detained in custody.

00:14:55.580 Common sense.

00:14:56.820 But now we have communities declaring states of emergency now.

00:14:59.240 And so, Jamie, how did we get here as well?

00:15:00.900 This wasn't a new problem.

00:15:02.420 This started happening, I'd say, about three, three and a half years ago.

00:15:05.860 We started seeing our first cases.

00:15:07.840 We raised these issues in Parliament.

00:15:09.100 When the legislation kind of filtered through.

00:15:10.600 Yes, we were talking about this.

00:15:12.440 And at first, the Liberals said, it doesn't exist.

00:15:15.380 They denied.

00:15:16.160 They said, oh, it's not a problem.

00:15:18.700 Then they started deflecting.

00:15:19.660 They started saying, it's a provincial issue.

00:15:21.160 It's a policing issue.

00:15:22.280 It's a mayor's issue.

00:15:23.740 Then they started delaying their own piece of legislation.

00:15:26.160 And you might remember Tim Upple, the deputy leader, and we all voted on this,

00:15:29.680 Bill 381

00:15:31.040 to reverse course

00:15:32.440 on C-5

00:15:33.260 and bring back

00:15:33.900 minimum mandatory sentencing

00:15:35.000 what did they do?

00:15:36.420 They voted against it.

00:15:37.540 We brought the Jail Not Bail Act

00:15:38.880 to fast track

00:15:39.620 a motion to fast track that

00:15:40.820 so these extortionists

00:15:42.060 could be locked

00:15:42.540 they voted against it.

00:15:44.260 You know we called

00:15:44.920 for more RCMP officers

00:15:46.180 to be hired

00:15:46.780 they made the grand

00:15:47.940 announcements

00:15:48.400 they said

00:15:49.000 we're going to have

00:15:49.740 a dozen now

00:15:52.720 and they said

00:15:53.100 a thousand new officers

00:15:54.320 a thousand new officers

00:15:55.120 not a single new boot

00:15:56.220 on the ground

00:15:56.920 they talked about

00:15:57.680 CBS officers

00:15:58.660 Not a single new CBSA officer has been hired.

00:16:01.120 They're hiring people in Ottawa as bureaucrats.

00:16:03.260 But the people on the ground who actually keep our communities safe, it's not happening.

00:16:07.140 Immigration, we've been talking about this for years.

00:16:09.640 So you're opening up the floodgates to people without security checks.

00:16:12.860 I asked Mark Miller, I'm like, why are you letting people in the country without a police

00:16:16.780 clearance certificate?

00:16:17.920 He said, oh, you can't trust those documents.

00:16:19.680 I made excuses.

00:16:20.740 And then he reversed course on it.

00:16:22.320 But you've let in people that aren't fully vetted.

00:16:25.180 We need to go back to a system that is lawful immigration,

00:16:28.800 that you follow the rules.

00:16:30.080 We check who's coming into our country.

00:16:32.020 I'm a proud son of immigrants.

00:16:33.480 My parents came the right way, and I'm sure many of Canadians as well.

00:16:36.540 Immigrants aren't the problem.

00:16:37.660 It's a system the Liberals created, and that's all contributing to this crisis.

00:16:40.700 That's an important point.

00:16:41.820 It's the government that's failed the citizens of this country.

00:16:44.640 They have, repeatedly, over the last 10 years.

00:16:47.900 And again, an opportunity presented itself with C-16, which we are about to study.

00:16:52.760 There is an opportunity to bring back the mandatory minimum penalties that they stripped away entirely in C-5.

00:17:01.240 Not one new mandatory minimum penalty has been introduced in C-16, which is a failure.

00:17:08.320 The funny thing is they're blaming us for obstructing their bill when they aren't even talking about their bills.

00:17:13.760 They're prioritizing putting preachers in jail as opposed to putting criminals behind bars.

00:17:18.140 That's their priority.

00:17:18.640 And Larry and the Justice Committee has done excellent work in trying to fast-track those bills that we can find common ground on.

00:17:24.060 I think it's important for people to know that we all have to work together for public safety.

00:17:27.480 It's not a partisan issue.

00:17:28.720 When people's houses are being shot at, when kids aren't going to school anymore,

00:17:32.220 when people are moving down south or other places to keep themselves safe,

00:17:35.300 or now looking to buy firearms to protect themselves as opposed to rely on police,

00:17:39.800 we've got a problem in our country, right?

00:17:42.020 And so this government needs to wake up and feel the pain.

00:17:46.040 And last time they saw, they lost some seats in those high-

00:17:51.160 In York region and Ontario.

00:17:52.700 York region.

00:17:53.440 Brampton.

00:17:54.060 Yeah, Brampton.

00:17:54.560 Surrey was all the biggest gains.

00:17:56.340 So for them, it wasn't public safety that motivated them.

00:17:58.980 It was their political fortunes.

00:18:00.480 Right.

00:18:00.900 And that's what kills us inside.

00:18:02.900 Yeah, absolutely.

00:18:03.920 But they will now spend millions, hundreds of millions, on a firearm compensation program

00:18:11.080 that has nothing to do with crime prevention.

00:18:13.840 Three quarters of a billion dollars attacking lawful gun owners and doing absolutely nothing or not nearly enough to stem the flowing tide of illegal firearms flooding our market.

00:18:27.840 So then you draw the conclusion, I think, logically, that we'll say the confiscation program, as we already know, has nothing to do with stopping crime.

00:18:36.860 Yeah, it's politics.

00:18:37.900 It's pure politics.

00:18:39.160 It's pure politics.

00:18:39.320 And our public safety minister absolutely admitted that in that leaked telephone conversation with his tenant.

00:18:46.280 It was about buying votes in the province of Quebec.

00:18:48.640 So tell us more about your bill then, the jail, not bail.

00:18:51.000 Tell us more about it.

00:18:51.860 So Larry and I have been spending a lot of time on the road meeting with stakeholders from all walks of life.

00:18:56.220 This bill, you know, it didn't happen, you know, sitting here in Ottawa, we spent time on the ground.

00:18:59.760 We met with victims and their families.

00:19:01.060 We met with law enforcement, crown prosecutors, defense lawyers.

00:19:06.060 Literally every single person that has taken this, victims were the true inspiration.

00:19:10.560 It's almost about 15 changes to the criminal code, as Larry mentioned.

00:19:14.560 The liberals call it Trumpish.

00:19:16.080 It's not.

00:19:16.720 If you read the actual bill and read what we're proposing-

00:19:18.760 Well, anything they don't like is Trumpish.

00:19:20.100 Yeah, it's easy to smear us.

00:19:22.000 The first was the principle of restraint.

00:19:24.040 Larry was one of the first to identify that that's a problem.

00:19:26.740 It literally forced judges to release the accused at the earliest opportunity on the

00:19:32.900 least restrictive conditions.

00:19:34.500 I sat in bail court recently studying for my bail.

00:19:37.100 I could tell you in the 15 hours I was watching,

00:19:39.920 not a single person was detained,

00:19:42.100 and every justice of the peace said,

00:19:44.640 because of this measure, I have to release this person.

00:19:47.620 It was said in court.

00:19:49.560 So we would reverse that.

00:19:51.180 We would prioritize public safety as the primary consideration

00:19:56.200 when it comes to bail release.

00:19:58.540 We've talked about, as Larry mentioned, the major offenses category,

00:20:01.260 So things like extortion, intimate partner violence, and other serious crimes that we're seeing a massive rise in would become a major offense category, which would have a presumption of detention and would make sure that they meet certain criteria before they are released.

00:20:16.120 We talked about non-citizens surrendering their passports.

00:20:19.720 I'm not sure if your viewers know that right now a criminal could be a surety for a different criminal.

00:20:25.300 We have criminals vouching for criminals, and we are getting rid of that.

00:20:30.220 So we're bringing these comments and solutions, 15 changes.

00:20:33.780 Larry and I have been getting positive feedback.

00:20:35.600 And Larry, if you want to add anything to that as well.

00:20:36.920 Well, I think the most important thing I wish to add to it that the Liberals refused to acknowledge is long before 14 was introduced,

00:20:46.240 jail not bail was the topic of the day across this country.

00:20:50.280 And we had full-on support from all the major stakeholders, including the leading police associations across this country.

00:21:01.060 We also saw a case, your viewers might be aware, Bailey McCork, who was murdered by her ex-partner out in Kelowna.

00:21:10.460 She reported the crime.

00:21:11.720 This person was charged.

00:21:12.900 He was convicted.

00:21:14.240 After his conviction, he was released on bail awaiting sentencing.

00:21:18.880 Literally four kilometers away, three hours later, he found her, smashed his car into her, took a hammer, and killed her.

00:21:25.820 Our bill will stop that.

00:21:27.720 Things like that need to be stopped.

00:21:31.940 Automatic detention and a revocation of bail upon a finding of guilt.

00:21:36.460 A finding of guilt completely expunges the whole concept of innocence until proven guilty.

00:21:42.560 You're no longer innocent.

00:21:43.980 You are a convicted criminal.

00:21:46.820 And it really drives a wedge in our communities, right?

00:21:49.560 Because people can see this and they're told by the liberals, making it up.

00:21:53.920 Your eyes are lying to you.

00:21:55.640 Don't worry about it, right?

00:21:56.900 And then, you know, citizens who go to work, pay their taxes, do everything right.

00:22:02.600 They get frustrated, right?

00:22:03.640 Because they'll, you know, potentially blow a stop sign or speed or whatever and not pay their parking tickets.

00:22:09.340 Then they'll have an interaction with law enforcement.

00:22:11.180 So they're like, well, I'm doing some minor stuff here.

00:22:14.000 Yes, probably in the wrong, but there are gangs and people getting shot up around my neighborhood.

00:22:18.940 Like, maybe you can focus on that.

00:22:21.060 And then, you know, it's like the broken windows.

00:22:23.580 Police need the legislative tools that this federal government refuses to give them.

00:22:29.620 To back them up.

00:22:30.180 It's just throwing the weight of law and the weight of government on kind of the wrong people, right?

00:22:35.000 Precisely.

00:22:35.580 It's just, it's putting everyone on edge.

00:22:38.980 And you can't live like that.

00:22:40.320 You can't live like that.

00:22:41.020 And then we see it right across these communities, the frustration, the anxiety, you know, and you can't send your kids out to go to the park and play anymore, you know.

00:22:50.080 So I think they have to prioritize public safety.

00:22:53.140 I don't understand why they're not doing that.

00:22:54.880 Again, it seems political to me, and I think they have special interests that are blocking their way.

00:22:59.400 But again, it shouldn't be about that.

00:23:00.640 It shouldn't be about making sure we have safe communities.

00:23:02.440 It's like we're talking about this fantasy world with safe communities.

00:23:06.480 We had this.

00:23:07.180 We did.

00:23:07.600 We had this.

00:23:08.740 We had it.

00:23:09.540 Yeah.

00:23:09.740 Crime was down.

00:23:10.560 I don't think people remember.

00:23:12.080 It's so long ago that people have forgotten.

00:23:13.900 They have forgotten what life was like.

00:23:15.540 And I've told you this numerous times.

00:23:17.000 I saw firsthand working as an assistant crown attorney in the trenches what life was like.

00:23:24.240 Okay, there was a balance to our criminal justice system.

00:23:27.840 People were being sentenced appropriately.

00:23:30.340 They were being deterred from committing those further offenses.

00:23:33.980 And our bail system operated efficiently.

00:23:36.720 those who repeatedly committed the same offense and were convicted of that, those who repeatedly

00:23:43.260 violated their court orders, were held in custody routinely. Imagine that. Imagine that. Because

00:23:50.740 the tools always existed. Right. And they still do in the criminal code. Unfortunately, 493.1

00:23:58.300 of the principle of restraint introduced in 2019 under C-75 completely changed the landscape,

00:24:05.020 Jamie. So to Arpan's point, it's time for this government to finally wake up and exercise

00:24:11.380 its number one responsibility to every Canadian. That's to keep us safe at all times.

00:24:18.320 It's crazy, Jamie, because I read a headline where someone that was charged and arrested for

00:24:22.380 being a repeat violent offender, his bail condition was one penny. It was one cent.

00:24:26.760 They don't make pennies anymore either. So it just shows you how ridiculous some of these

00:24:31.000 conditions actually are um and so that has to change until there's some serious weight put

00:24:35.840 behind i could tell you law enforcement is demotivated yeah exactly i i i have a there

00:24:41.960 was a bank robbery in small woodstock um at the td bank where a repeat violent defender showed up

00:24:47.720 with a gun um shocked our community he was he was he was arrested but then i got a message from the

00:24:53.980 daughter of the police officer on instagram she said why is my dad putting his life at risk

00:25:00.100 over and over and over again

00:25:02.600 to catch the same person.

00:25:05.360 My dad loves being a police officer.

00:25:07.480 The police officers love doing their job.

00:25:09.480 They believe in it every step of the way.

00:25:11.100 They know they're doing a service to this country.

00:25:13.120 Yet, they're being put in harm's way

00:25:15.780 for no reason.

00:25:17.240 In Vancouver, the stats are insane.

00:25:19.860 The same 40 people

00:25:22.060 were responsible for 6,000 crimes.

00:25:24.640 In Kelowna, when the RCMP chief said,

00:25:27.020 the same 15 were responsible

00:25:29.140 for over 1,300 crimes.

00:25:31.600 Larry talks about this all the time.

00:25:32.840 He says, it's a small number of people

00:25:34.940 right across the country

00:25:36.340 that are largely responsible

00:25:38.240 for committing over 80% of the crimes

00:25:41.340 every single year.

00:25:42.800 Pierce says, you know,

00:25:43.440 the good news is, you know,

00:25:44.980 we have a small amount of criminals

00:25:46.760 who do the crime.

00:25:47.400 The bad news, they're very efficient, right?

00:25:49.240 So that's what we're up against.

00:25:51.540 You take those guys off our streets,

00:25:52.860 I guarantee you'll have safer streets.

00:25:54.100 100%.

00:25:54.500 And that's what we had in the past.

00:25:55.760 Yeah, when life was normal.

00:25:57.080 That's right.

00:25:58.000 Guys, we went long on purpose on this episode,

00:26:01.160 but as you know, the guests always get the last word,

00:26:04.120 so you can opine on their topic or whatever you want.

00:26:06.980 Absolutely. To all the viewers who are living in a state of fear,

00:26:10.780 who are reading about what's happening in this country,

00:26:13.200 hope is on its way.

00:26:15.520 All right? With a conservative government leading this country,

00:26:19.500 led by the next great Prime Minister, Pierre Polyev,

00:26:22.440 by the likes of myself and Arpan and our wonderful crew,

00:26:25.560 We will ensure public safety is paramount in this country and that those bad individuals who terrorize routinely communities from across this country are appropriately dealt with and removed, if necessary, from this country.

00:26:40.440 Don't lose faith.

00:26:42.000 We've done this before.

00:26:43.440 We'll stop the crime again.

00:26:45.060 I think people tend to get frustrated and lose faith in the system.

00:26:49.740 I don't want that to happen to our country.

00:26:51.960 We are a great country.

00:26:53.120 We're strong people.

00:26:53.980 We're resilient.

00:26:55.200 We're tough.

00:26:56.000 We go through these things all the time.

00:26:57.820 We just got to make sure our system puts the rights of victims first,

00:27:00.860 their pain, their misery, instead of the criminals.

00:27:03.280 Hold on.

00:27:04.240 Have faith.

00:27:04.960 The best is still yet to come.

00:27:06.280 Change of government is only an election away.

00:27:08.900 That's right.

00:27:09.240 That's right.

00:27:09.880 All right, gentlemen, thank you very much.

00:27:11.440 Our Bancana member of parliament, Oxford.

00:27:13.540 Also, the Broconator, Larry Brock himself, the legend from Brantford,

00:27:19.840 Brantford.

00:27:20.220 He's a nice guy.

00:27:20.900 He looks mean.

00:27:21.460 He looks mean.

00:27:22.360 I would say he looks angry all the time.

00:27:24.580 very nice guy for those watching at home he's a good guy he's laughing i'm smiling there you go

00:27:29.720 save this footage save this i should actually think of where's my phone you probably should

00:27:36.620 you probably i'm capable of smiling not that dave stewart stare that's right thank you so much

00:27:42.220 you're too younger thank you how was it born though yeah thanks for never again will you be

00:27:47.640 on the show gentlemen thank you for your time thank you for yours don't forget to like comment

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - February 18, 2026

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