The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - May 09, 2017


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00:00:00.000 This is The Blueprint coming up, my trip to Washington, D.C. on behalf of the National Security Committee.
00:00:06.360 Then we're going to hear about Free the Beer and what's going on to free your beer.
00:00:10.560 And then we're going to hear about some of the procedural wrangles that are going on on the Hill
00:00:14.300 to make sure that your voice is heard by Parliament.
00:00:18.200 You're listening to The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:00:21.440 Well, they thought they were going to have an easy day over there today, but not so fast, Mr. Speaker.
00:00:33.220 What is it going to take for the Prime Minister to have any respect for any laws in this country
00:00:39.340 that may curb his out-of-control behavior?
00:00:44.720 And now, here's your host, Tony Clement.
00:00:46.960 Welcome, one and all, to Volume 2 of Blueprint, the Conservative Party of Canada podcast.
00:00:55.540 And I want to thank the Office of the Leader of the Opposition for the opportunity.
00:00:58.660 My name is Tony Clement, Member of Parliament for Perry Sound Muskoka, and your host for The Blueprint.
00:01:05.720 Well, first off, I want to talk about something that might be of interest to folks,
00:01:09.360 because what does an MP do when he or she is not in the House of Commons and not in her or his constituency?
00:01:16.960 I spent two days last week in Washington, D.C., with a House of Commons committee,
00:01:23.360 the House of Commons Standing Committee on Public Safety and National Security.
00:01:27.560 We visited Washington, D.C. as a committee,
00:01:31.380 and it was part of the committee's study of Canada's national security framework.
00:01:37.020 So I was there with a colleague, Diane Watts, from Surrey, B.C., a Conservative MP from Surrey,
00:01:44.340 but also with Liberal MPs and with an NDP MP, all members of the committee.
00:01:50.060 And we had a series of meetings, of course, to really gain insight on Canada, U.S., border security issues,
00:01:57.760 anti-terrorism, the border control, transportation security, all of these issues that are part and parcel of our national security.
00:02:07.500 I serve as the Conservative Party's national security and public safety critic,
00:02:11.780 and as a member of the Public Safety and National Security Committee, it was my honor to be part of that session as well.
00:02:18.540 So a number of meetings.
00:02:20.000 We had, of course, congressional meetings.
00:02:21.620 It was kind of an interesting day to have congressional meetings on the Thursday
00:02:25.160 because it was the day that the House of Representatives in the U.S. was having the vote on Obamacare.
00:02:31.860 So a little bit of distraction going on there in Congress,
00:02:36.060 not dissimilar to sometimes when we have a big vote in the House of Commons,
00:02:39.920 your mind is really focused on that vote.
00:02:42.560 But we had a number of congresspeople, congressmen and women who did agree to meet with us,
00:02:50.640 mostly from border districts, districts that were either on the Washington state, B.C. border
00:02:58.620 or the New Hampshire border with Quebec or, in one case, New York, upstate New York fellow.
00:03:06.060 So people like Congressman Daniel Kildee, a Democrat from Michigan, met with us.
00:03:11.560 We also met with, as I say, congresspeople like Susan Del Bene from Washington and her staff
00:03:17.920 and Anne McLean-Couster, again, a New Hampshire congresswoman and her staff.
00:03:24.720 So it was a great opportunity to talk about border issues but also talk about Canada-U.S. trade.
00:03:30.960 I mean, you're not just wearing your national security hat.
00:03:33.640 You're also there advancing the argument that it is important for the U.S.
00:03:38.440 to maintain and enhance trade links with Canada.
00:03:41.200 You know, there's a big debate going on post-Trump about whether the United States should sign off
00:03:48.800 and remove itself from NAFTA, the North American Free Trade Agreement,
00:03:53.360 or what sort of changes the United States is going to pursue.
00:03:57.040 So we wanted to get our two cents worth in about how important that border trade is for their own districts,
00:04:04.100 that they have jobs that are important to them as congresspeople that they want to maintain and enhance,
00:04:11.620 and those jobs are dependent upon Canada-U.S. trade.
00:04:14.660 So that was really important.
00:04:15.900 On the national security front, we talked about terrorism threats, cyber security, intelligence gathering,
00:04:22.140 information sharing, oversight of national security activities and national security agencies.
00:04:29.140 So these were all very important issues.
00:04:32.280 Did I raise the issue of these illegal border crossers coming from U.S. to Canada?
00:04:39.340 You bet I did, and of course made the point to all who would listen that this is something that we're quite concerned about,
00:04:48.660 and we're concerned about how many are crossing,
00:04:51.400 and we want to work with the Americans to prevent illegal border crossing,
00:04:56.400 because we have rules in place, and we have people who are legitimately trying to advance their case
00:05:02.580 that they are genuine refugees who should be welcomed to Canada,
00:05:06.040 but illegal border crossers who are fake refugees,
00:05:08.980 obviously that is not something that we're interested in promoting or seeing occurring at the levels that is going on.
00:05:16.220 So that was obviously a topic.
00:05:17.820 We got to visit the terrorism screening agency, which is the watch list, basically.
00:05:24.420 There's about a million people around the world on this terrorism watch list,
00:05:29.520 and how they go about within a legal constitutional framework to add people to the watch list.
00:05:36.540 Of course, we have some concerns about names that appear on there that shouldn't be on there,
00:05:41.020 and they are quite aware that the list is not perfect,
00:05:44.020 but they're constantly working with Canada and with allies to improve that watch list.
00:05:49.720 So that was very interesting.
00:05:51.760 Hey, I also got to visit the NASA offices.
00:05:54.560 The National Aeronautics and Space Administration has an office in Washington.
00:05:58.520 Of course, Cape Canaveral and Houston are their main operational centers,
00:06:04.660 but they do have a presence in Washington, D.C. as well.
00:06:07.260 So we got to meet with some of the directors there and see what their plans are.
00:06:12.880 Hey, good news for those who think that space travel is important.
00:06:17.700 President Trump has signed off on continual funding for the mission to Mars, the manned mission to Mars.
00:06:22.980 So that's very exciting and could be a reality.
00:06:26.560 Certainly, I'm hopeful within my lifetime.
00:06:28.880 And if you're a younger listener, definitely within your lifetime.
00:06:32.680 And that's very exciting.
00:06:33.780 And there'll be all sorts of breakthroughs, technological breakthroughs,
00:06:37.980 that will occur because we will, as a civilization, be pursuing this mission to Mars.
00:06:44.700 So that was kind of cool.
00:06:46.020 I got to see their operations center there where they had a live feed from the International Space Station
00:06:52.020 as well as some of their other sites as well.
00:06:55.140 And that was very cool to see, too.
00:06:56.980 And I got to do it on May the 4th, which was Star Wars Day.
00:06:59.760 You know, May the 4th be with you and so on.
00:07:02.260 So that was kind of fun to do that, to do real space stuff on International Star Wars Day.
00:07:08.660 A great trip.
00:07:09.540 I want to thank the committee for having me as part of that.
00:07:13.500 And, of course, there'll be some follow-up that will occur as well as we continue our discussions at committee.
00:07:20.180 For instance, the National Security Committee is reviewing Bill C-23 right now,
00:07:28.020 which is the preclearance bill that will expand preclearance to the United States
00:07:33.820 to make it easier for travelers to get their preclearance and to land at domestic airports in the United States
00:07:40.140 and vice versa, of course.
00:07:41.420 So we will continue to hear witnesses on that particular topic.
00:07:45.700 But certainly having those discussions in Washington, D.C.
00:07:49.060 was very, very helpful to all of the committee members who attended.
00:07:53.240 So that's my report from Washington, D.C.
00:07:56.020 I hope that was useful to you as it was for me.
00:07:58.980 You're listening to The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:08:07.700 Browse all of our episodes at podcast.conservative.ca.
00:08:15.200 And now, back to The Blueprint, and your host, Tony Clement.
00:08:18.960 Welcome to Blueprint, the Conservative Party of Canada's official podcast.
00:08:29.300 I'm your host, Tony Clement, Member of Parliament for Paris-San Muskoka.
00:08:33.040 And I have with me as a guest, Mr. John Barlow, Member of Parliament for the Foothills in Alberta.
00:08:39.220 Welcome to the show.
00:08:40.140 Thank you very much for having me. It's an honor to be on the program.
00:08:43.040 Well, it's an honor to have you as well.
00:08:44.400 This is volume two of our podcast, so you're one of our first guests, as a matter of fact.
00:08:49.260 Oh, that is a big honor, though.
00:08:50.140 It is a big honor, and I think that we're going to have a good conversation
00:08:52.840 because we're going to talk about free the beer.
00:08:55.940 And for our listeners, this is an important issue
00:08:58.480 because, of course, beer is not only important to the leisure aspect of our lives,
00:09:03.080 but is also important to the Canadian economy.
00:09:05.520 So, John, why don't you just set the table a little bit.
00:09:07.760 Why is free the beer so important for the future of the Canadian economy,
00:09:11.700 and why is this such a big issue?
00:09:13.260 Well, we knew that the Canada Free Trade Agreement was going to be coming out this year,
00:09:17.360 and it was something that we had started on when we were in government.
00:09:19.760 Our colleague, James Moore, was instrumental in putting that together.
00:09:23.420 But we knew that alcohol would not be part of that Canadian Free Trade Agreement.
00:09:27.540 And we're seeing across Canada, we're Canadian.
00:09:29.480 We love beer, and we should be proud of these amazing craft beers that we have in Canada.
00:09:35.040 And it is a growing industry.
00:09:36.540 But, unfortunately, the ability for these businesses to be able to grow and expand
00:09:40.840 is literally limited by provincial boundaries.
00:09:44.360 It is very difficult for a craft brewer, a distiller, a winemaker
00:09:48.300 to be able to sell their products outside of their province
00:09:51.020 without getting permission from a provincial liquor board,
00:09:54.560 which means a lot of bureaucracy, a lot of costs,
00:09:57.240 and a lot of provinces will just simply say no.
00:09:59.400 I just want to come back to that one point,
00:10:02.880 how important the craft brewing industry is,
00:10:04.900 because I know in my constituency, I now have five craft breweries operating,
00:10:09.760 and they hire people.
00:10:11.640 They are good, year-round, full-time jobs.
00:10:14.960 And that's replicated throughout the whole country.
00:10:16.860 There are literally hundreds of craft brewers now.
00:10:19.160 Is that right?
00:10:19.820 Yeah.
00:10:20.480 In Alberta, my home province,
00:10:22.680 we are probably one of the provinces that was far behind in terms of this industry.
00:10:26.240 But we have more than 50 in Alberta.
00:10:28.880 I have five under construction in my constituency alone,
00:10:32.080 one up and operating.
00:10:34.060 But as you touched on, Tony,
00:10:35.400 what makes the craft brewing industry so attractive
00:10:38.720 is the fact that most of them are built in rural communities.
00:10:41.700 So they are bringing new economic development opportunities
00:10:44.100 to rural communities where opportunities have been limited
00:10:47.240 or been on the decline.
00:10:49.180 So not only are they bringing new jobs and new opportunities
00:10:52.160 to these rural communities,
00:10:53.020 but they're becoming tourist attractions.
00:10:55.020 Absolutely.
00:10:56.260 Brewery tours.
00:10:57.520 Plus for the guys around them that are growing rye and barley
00:11:01.140 and those kinds of things,
00:11:02.460 that's something they really get excited about and buy into.
00:11:04.480 That's a really good point.
00:11:05.600 One of the breweries in my riding is in an old car plant
00:11:08.620 that was doing manufacturing parts for automobiles,
00:11:13.520 now repurposed to be a brewery.
00:11:15.080 Another one is in an old Canadian tire store,
00:11:17.580 repurposed for going from retail to manufacturing.
00:11:20.760 So beer is manufactured now,
00:11:22.940 and it's part of our manufacturing prowess,
00:11:25.320 so we should be proud of that.
00:11:26.880 So tell me a little bit about what the campaign is about.
00:11:29.620 We know that beer cannot pass very easily cross-border
00:11:34.500 between province to province.
00:11:36.080 So what is the Conservative Party's Free the Beer campaign about?
00:11:39.420 Well, really, the main thing right now is raising awareness.
00:11:42.300 We want Canadians to understand that this is an issue.
00:11:45.020 We've been travelling across Canada since November.
00:11:48.160 We've done beer festivals in Ottawa, Toronto, Calgary, Halifax.
00:11:53.740 And when you talk to Canadians about this,
00:11:55.640 not just the brewers and distillers themselves,
00:11:57.840 but also Canadians who are obviously beer enthusiasts.
00:12:01.360 We like our beer.
00:12:03.240 And they are surprisingly, they know this issue,
00:12:05.340 and they are very frustrated by the fact that we are,
00:12:08.620 as provincial and federal governments,
00:12:11.080 we are blocking the ability for these businesses to grow,
00:12:13.700 but also it impacts consumer choice.
00:12:16.040 For myself, being from Alberta,
00:12:18.020 I can't bring some of my great Alberta craft beer here to Ontario.
00:12:21.320 That's technically illegal.
00:12:23.060 Right now we have the Como case going on with New Brunswick and Quebec.
00:12:26.740 Tell me about that case a little bit.
00:12:28.060 So a couple of years ago, Bernard Como,
00:12:30.860 a gentleman from New Brunswick,
00:12:32.820 crossed the border to Quebec,
00:12:34.120 bought a bunch of beer because it's significantly cheaper,
00:12:37.080 crossed the border back into New Brunswick,
00:12:38.760 and was arrested and charged for transporting liquor across provincial boundaries.
00:12:44.200 He challenged that charge and won his case.
00:12:47.420 The province of New Brunswick refused to go to appeal,
00:12:50.540 instead said, according to the Constitution,
00:12:53.040 free trade is a constitutional right,
00:12:54.680 and we want to go to the Supreme Court.
00:12:56.300 So very good news.
00:12:57.160 Last Friday, the Supreme Court has agreed to hear that case.
00:12:59.420 So this is a huge step forward and a great opportunity
00:13:02.340 that we could see free trade in Canada.
00:13:04.560 So we could get it by virtue of a Supreme Court judgment.
00:13:08.100 What you and other Conservatives are pushing for
00:13:10.980 is that this become a political issue,
00:13:13.200 that politicians do the right thing
00:13:14.900 and remove the trade barriers that are preventing beer
00:13:19.040 and other products as well from going cross-border.
00:13:22.800 Is that right?
00:13:23.340 That's correct.
00:13:24.340 Section 121 of the Constitution is extremely clear.
00:13:27.360 Any product made or produced in one province
00:13:30.220 should be or shall be traded freely to other provinces.
00:13:33.520 Our founding fathers understood that free trade
00:13:36.020 was a foundational pillar of confederation.
00:13:40.020 They knew that free trade was extremely important
00:13:41.960 into the growth of the Dominion.
00:13:43.680 But over the decades, provinces have put up barriers,
00:13:47.160 and the federal government has allowed them to do it.
00:13:49.160 So we are asking the Liberal government to step up,
00:13:52.320 start fighting for Canada's economy,
00:13:54.680 act as an intervener in the Supreme Court case,
00:13:56.820 and try and influence that decision.
00:13:58.560 It is black and white in our Constitution.
00:14:01.440 It's very bizarre that it's, in many cases,
00:14:04.100 easier to trade with the United States of America
00:14:07.000 than it is to trade cross-border in Canada itself.
00:14:10.420 Absolutely.
00:14:11.000 I have a meadery in my constituency,
00:14:13.800 so honey wine or honey beer.
00:14:15.560 They have just signed a contract
00:14:17.020 to export their product to Japan
00:14:19.040 because they couldn't get an agreement
00:14:20.820 to sell it into B.C.,
00:14:21.820 which is literally an hour away.
00:14:25.280 So now he's having to go across the Pacific Ocean.
00:14:28.480 Many of our craft brewers have much easier opportunity
00:14:31.260 to sell it to Texas than Toronto.
00:14:33.900 You know, a much higher cost,
00:14:35.440 but it's a much easier process to go through.
00:14:37.280 And, you know, I would say we're probably
00:14:39.120 one of the only Western countries in the world
00:14:41.640 that has these kind of interprovincial barriers.
00:14:43.760 Yeah, no, well, that's wonderful
00:14:45.760 that our caucus, you and others,
00:14:48.000 I know Dan Albus, BC MP,
00:14:50.400 has been outspoken about this issue as well.
00:14:52.320 Many of our MPs have,
00:14:53.480 so it's good to have our MPs on the sides of,
00:14:56.580 this is really a consumer issue as well.
00:14:58.360 It's not just a political issue.
00:14:59.500 This is for choice for consumers
00:15:01.580 and pricing that is better for consumers.
00:15:04.120 Is that right?
00:15:04.720 Yeah, this is about consumer choice.
00:15:06.700 I shouldn't have a provincial liquor board
00:15:08.500 telling me as a Canadian
00:15:09.440 what I can and cannot have.
00:15:11.180 But also it's about small business.
00:15:12.460 These are small businesses who hire Canadians,
00:15:15.320 use Canadian products,
00:15:16.900 are Canadian entrepreneurs,
00:15:18.440 and we should be standing up for them
00:15:20.580 and championing their abilities
00:15:21.960 to be able to grow and succeed.
00:15:23.720 I'm speaking with John Barlow,
00:15:25.700 our Alberta MP from the Foothills.
00:15:28.520 Thank you for being on the program.
00:15:30.320 John, if our listeners hear this podcast
00:15:33.960 and they want to do something
00:15:35.940 to get involved in this campaign,
00:15:38.380 where should they go?
00:15:39.340 What should they do?
00:15:39.940 Well, we have a website,
00:15:41.540 freethebeer.net.
00:15:42.880 There's a petition online.
00:15:44.540 We're asking,
00:15:45.300 that petition is asking the federal government
00:15:47.000 to act as an intervener
00:15:48.060 in the Supreme Court case,
00:15:49.240 but also asking them to include alcohol
00:15:51.220 in the Canadian Free Trade Agreement.
00:15:52.860 So there's two ways
00:15:53.600 that they can get involved.
00:15:54.340 We have our petition,
00:15:55.400 but also go to our website,
00:15:57.540 freethebeer.net,
00:15:58.820 and there's a way
00:16:00.320 you can sign online as well.
00:16:01.500 So freethebeer.net.
00:16:03.040 They can always go to
00:16:04.000 conservative.ca,
00:16:05.160 which is the Conservative Party of Canada website.
00:16:07.220 You bet.
00:16:07.760 There are, as well,
00:16:09.240 these beer festivals coming up.
00:16:10.540 I know I've got a couple of beer festivals
00:16:11.900 in my own constituency.
00:16:13.600 You were mentioning
00:16:14.220 that you've got some as well.
00:16:16.160 There'll be pop-ups there as well,
00:16:18.300 local MPs,
00:16:19.460 conservative MPs,
00:16:20.560 taking this issue
00:16:21.400 to where beer is being consumed.
00:16:23.600 It's a horrible job sometimes.
00:16:24.420 Responsibly, I'm sure.
00:16:25.380 Yeah.
00:16:26.040 At a little bit of music,
00:16:27.540 live music as well.
00:16:28.440 Beer fests are great.
00:16:29.380 Yeah.
00:16:29.720 So there'll be perhaps
00:16:30.900 an opportunity there,
00:16:31.960 but freethebeer.net
00:16:33.280 is the central site for this.
00:16:34.840 Is that right?
00:16:35.180 Yeah, that's correct.
00:16:36.100 And actually, as you know,
00:16:36.940 it's kind of a fun part of this too,
00:16:38.520 as Canada's 150th anniversary,
00:16:40.560 we have on our website,
00:16:41.860 you can vote for your favourite craft beer,
00:16:43.940 and we're going to name
00:16:44.500 Canada's 50 favourite craft beer
00:16:46.120 as part of Canada's 150.
00:16:47.420 Well, that's a great thing to do.
00:16:49.240 Why not?
00:16:49.500 And I would encourage anyone
00:16:50.780 to take a look at the Muskoka
00:16:52.500 or Perry Soundcraft beers
00:16:53.680 as part of their voting.
00:16:55.520 But certainly,
00:16:56.720 it's great that we're doing this
00:16:57.920 and really think that this is
00:16:59.480 being on the side of the consumer,
00:17:00.940 being on the side of our constitution,
00:17:02.800 helping our small businesses.
00:17:04.480 This is a no-brainer
00:17:05.700 as far as I'm concerned.
00:17:07.080 I'm glad you, John,
00:17:08.040 and others are a part
00:17:09.020 of this movement as well.
00:17:10.440 It's a real pleasure,
00:17:11.160 and the feedback we've had
00:17:12.280 from Canadians is overwhelming.
00:17:13.820 They want to see this resolved,
00:17:15.160 and it's very frustrating
00:17:16.080 for consumers and business owners.
00:17:17.680 Absolutely.
00:17:18.240 Well, you've heard it here.
00:17:19.580 Free the Beer is live,
00:17:21.000 freethebeer.net
00:17:22.100 or conservative.ca.
00:17:24.160 You can visit either of those sites
00:17:25.540 and get part of this important movement
00:17:27.540 for beer,
00:17:28.880 for our communities,
00:17:30.340 rural communities in particular,
00:17:31.480 but really all communities
00:17:33.000 as well as small businesses
00:17:35.220 and the consumer.
00:17:36.020 So, John Bartle,
00:17:36.660 thank you for being part
00:17:37.420 of our program.
00:17:38.420 Free the Beer, everybody.
00:17:40.340 Thanks, Tony.
00:17:42.720 You're listening to The Blueprint,
00:17:44.560 Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:17:50.020 Browse all of our episodes
00:17:51.460 at podcast.conservative.ca.
00:17:54.160 And now, back to The Blueprint,
00:17:59.600 and your host, Tony Clement.
00:18:06.120 You're listening to Blueprint,
00:18:08.240 Canada's official opposition,
00:18:09.620 the Conservative Party of Canada's
00:18:10.980 official podcast.
00:18:12.320 I'm your host, Tony Clement,
00:18:13.880 Member of Parliament for Paris,
00:18:15.060 St. Muskoka,
00:18:16.100 and I have a very special guest
00:18:17.300 with me today,
00:18:18.380 Candice Bergen,
00:18:19.460 MP for Portage Lisgar.
00:18:20.860 Correct, Portage Lisgar.
00:18:22.220 I'm glad I got that right,
00:18:23.480 and as importantly,
00:18:25.020 perhaps she is
00:18:25.860 the official opposition
00:18:27.220 House leader,
00:18:28.740 which means that she leads
00:18:30.480 our caucus
00:18:32.500 when it comes to issues
00:18:33.820 before Parliament.
00:18:34.720 Correct.
00:18:35.400 Okay, I've got that right,
00:18:36.500 so that's two out of two
00:18:37.220 so far for me.
00:18:38.320 We wanted to talk
00:18:39.200 a little bit about an issue
00:18:40.440 that is before
00:18:41.060 the House of Commons right now,
00:18:42.380 which is changes
00:18:43.680 to the standing orders.
00:18:45.300 So, Candice,
00:18:46.340 why don't you walk through
00:18:47.220 what the standing orders are,
00:18:48.880 first of all,
00:18:49.880 and maybe what the Liberals
00:18:51.380 have been proposing
00:18:52.140 and why it's important
00:18:53.120 for Canadians
00:18:53.680 to be concerned about this.
00:18:54.920 Sure, but first of all,
00:18:55.980 thanks for having me
00:18:56.740 on the show,
00:18:57.380 Tony Blueprint.
00:18:58.580 That's great.
00:19:00.120 I'm very excited
00:19:00.840 to be on with you.
00:19:02.900 So the standing orders
00:19:04.860 are the rules
00:19:06.080 around how Parliament works
00:19:08.340 in the House of Commons.
00:19:10.080 So they are rules
00:19:11.220 around how long
00:19:11.980 people, members,
00:19:13.220 can speak,
00:19:14.100 rules around
00:19:14.680 what the government
00:19:15.380 can do to pass legislation.
00:19:17.580 There are rules right now
00:19:18.740 that they can
00:19:19.560 shut down debate
00:19:21.360 and we don't always like it,
00:19:23.260 but it is a tool
00:19:24.040 that they have.
00:19:25.280 We have tools
00:19:26.020 that we can use
00:19:27.100 not only in the House of Commons
00:19:28.780 but at committee
00:19:29.560 to hold the government
00:19:31.060 to account.
00:19:32.500 There are rules
00:19:33.040 around question period
00:19:34.220 and how question period operates.
00:19:36.120 So all of the standing orders,
00:19:38.180 and there's actually
00:19:38.800 like a book,
00:19:40.440 like two phone book thick,
00:19:43.400 a book of standing orders
00:19:44.800 that govern us.
00:19:45.560 So a lot of standing orders.
00:19:46.920 So if this was a hockey game,
00:19:48.700 these are the rules
00:19:49.560 that dictate
00:19:50.200 when a pass is offside
00:19:51.900 or how icing occurs
00:19:53.520 or when you get a penalty,
00:19:54.840 those kinds of things.
00:19:56.060 Exactly.
00:19:56.840 That's a very good way
00:19:58.040 to describe it,
00:19:59.040 especially right now
00:19:59.680 with the playoffs
00:20:00.480 that are going on.
00:20:01.240 That's right.
00:20:01.900 It's the rules
00:20:02.720 on how we play
00:20:03.940 and how we operate
00:20:05.080 in the House of Commons.
00:20:06.280 So the Liberals
00:20:07.020 have proposed
00:20:07.680 some changes
00:20:08.420 to these standing orders.
00:20:10.100 Why don't you go through
00:20:10.900 what those changes are?
00:20:12.500 Sure.
00:20:12.920 First of all,
00:20:13.400 though,
00:20:13.580 I will say
00:20:14.120 it's not uncommon
00:20:15.220 for different governments
00:20:16.300 to propose changes.
00:20:18.160 There have been changes
00:20:19.260 to the standing orders
00:20:20.360 over the last 150 years.
00:20:23.420 Definitely,
00:20:23.880 there have been changes.
00:20:25.300 But over 80%
00:20:27.040 of those changes,
00:20:28.260 many of them minor,
00:20:29.780 have not happened
00:20:30.760 without consensus
00:20:31.680 of all the parties.
00:20:33.100 And that's what
00:20:33.640 this is really about.
00:20:35.020 So certainly,
00:20:35.860 the government has
00:20:36.640 the right to talk
00:20:37.920 about changes,
00:20:39.160 but precedent would say
00:20:40.660 that before they can
00:20:41.640 make those changes,
00:20:42.900 they need to have consensus
00:20:44.220 of the other parties.
00:20:45.620 And the reason is simple.
00:20:46.780 In order for those changes
00:20:48.140 to not just be
00:20:49.460 in the best interests
00:20:50.380 of one side or the other,
00:20:52.420 each side then
00:20:53.160 would have to sell
00:20:54.060 why that change
00:20:54.860 is a good idea.
00:20:56.160 So if, for example,
00:20:57.380 the government
00:20:57.840 can persuade the opposition
00:20:59.160 why their change
00:21:00.040 is a good idea,
00:21:01.160 it would be because
00:21:02.000 they've shown us
00:21:02.780 that it's not just
00:21:03.540 in their best interests.
00:21:05.100 And they also
00:21:05.680 would have shown us
00:21:06.440 that it will be good
00:21:07.280 for future governments
00:21:08.560 as well
00:21:09.140 and future opposition.
00:21:10.260 And likewise,
00:21:11.340 if there's a change
00:21:12.040 that we would want
00:21:12.860 as opposition,
00:21:14.180 we should have to,
00:21:15.100 it would be incumbent on us
00:21:16.000 to persuade the government
00:21:16.920 why it's good for all of us.
00:21:18.860 That's an important
00:21:19.380 check and balance,
00:21:20.240 isn't it?
00:21:20.480 Because no government
00:21:22.220 is in government forever.
00:21:23.480 So whatever change
00:21:24.380 they apply to themselves
00:21:25.620 and to the opposition
00:21:26.500 could be used
00:21:28.240 by another government
00:21:29.380 in the same manner.
00:21:30.480 Exactly.
00:21:31.060 And that's really
00:21:31.920 where our back
00:21:33.720 is up with the liberals
00:21:34.720 because they want
00:21:36.040 to make these changes
00:21:36.980 arbitrarily.
00:21:37.960 They don't want
00:21:38.760 a consensus.
00:21:39.400 They say they want
00:21:40.280 a conversation
00:21:41.020 but they've forgotten
00:21:41.860 that a conversation
00:21:42.580 is two ways
00:21:43.380 and they've just said
00:21:45.320 that they're going
00:21:46.000 to ram through
00:21:46.560 these changes.
00:21:47.720 Now, we think
00:21:48.960 we now finally understand
00:21:50.740 kind of what their motive
00:21:52.180 is behind forcing
00:21:53.820 these changes through
00:21:54.780 and it all comes down
00:21:56.460 to, Tony,
00:21:57.320 them not wanting
00:21:58.120 to be accountable
00:21:58.880 and specifically
00:21:59.940 Justin Trudeau
00:22:01.400 not wanting to be here
00:22:02.480 in Parliament.
00:22:03.200 He has very little respect
00:22:04.960 for this place.
00:22:06.500 I think he views it
00:22:07.560 as an annoyance
00:22:08.860 and you know
00:22:10.040 when he's in question period
00:22:11.360 and getting tough questions
00:22:12.880 he's not in what he
00:22:14.720 probably views
00:22:15.700 as his safe,
00:22:16.580 happy place.
00:22:17.380 Right, right.
00:22:17.760 He doesn't want
00:22:18.680 to be here
00:22:19.420 answering questions.
00:22:19.780 Not much opportunity
00:22:20.540 to take selfies.
00:22:21.660 No selfie opportunities.
00:22:23.700 Nobody's worshipping
00:22:24.660 at his feet.
00:22:25.880 You know,
00:22:26.240 the men and women
00:22:27.720 on the opposition side
00:22:29.020 aren't looking
00:22:30.120 to have any photos
00:22:31.580 or anything with them,
00:22:32.080 right?
00:22:32.100 And our job
00:22:32.540 is to ask tough
00:22:33.640 but fair questions
00:22:34.440 of the government
00:22:34.880 to keep them accountable.
00:22:35.820 That's part of our job,
00:22:36.680 is it not?
00:22:37.020 And listen,
00:22:38.000 he's done a lot
00:22:38.900 of things
00:22:39.340 over the last year
00:22:40.120 and a half
00:22:40.560 that need answers to.
00:22:42.360 I mean,
00:22:42.480 whether it's
00:22:43.280 the massive deficit,
00:22:45.020 no plan to balance
00:22:45.840 the budget,
00:22:46.820 some of his big
00:22:47.620 ethical lapses
00:22:48.780 in judgment.
00:22:49.840 I mean,
00:22:50.060 we're seeing
00:22:50.580 his own ministers
00:22:51.640 who are misleading
00:22:52.480 Canadians.
00:22:53.340 So there's a lot
00:22:53.920 of areas
00:22:54.340 where we have
00:22:55.700 to do our job
00:22:56.380 here in the House
00:22:56.860 of Commons.
00:22:57.420 But it's clear
00:22:58.000 one of the biggest
00:22:58.940 changes that they
00:22:59.720 want to make
00:23:00.400 is that Justin Trudeau
00:23:02.360 would only have
00:23:02.880 to be here
00:23:03.500 one hour,
00:23:04.860 one day a week
00:23:05.600 to answer questions.
00:23:07.520 And that's something
00:23:08.380 I think has really
00:23:09.460 got us frustrated.
00:23:11.180 Again,
00:23:11.640 the way they're doing it
00:23:12.480 but that rule
00:23:14.160 in and of itself
00:23:15.060 we think
00:23:15.920 is an important one
00:23:16.740 whereby we need
00:23:18.020 to keep the Prime Minister
00:23:19.140 accountable
00:23:19.780 every day
00:23:21.060 that the House
00:23:21.620 is sitting.
00:23:22.380 There are issues
00:23:23.000 that come up
00:23:23.720 and we recognize
00:23:24.820 there's some days
00:23:25.540 he might be traveling
00:23:26.360 and doing things
00:23:27.300 but he can't just
00:23:28.700 be here one day a week.
00:23:30.100 Can you imagine
00:23:30.600 saying to your boss
00:23:31.720 or any Canadians
00:23:33.560 saying to their boss
00:23:34.400 you know what
00:23:34.960 I think I don't
00:23:35.940 want to be here
00:23:36.640 on Fridays
00:23:38.220 and Mondays
00:23:39.000 I just want to be here
00:23:40.160 one day a week
00:23:40.920 to do some
00:23:42.120 of the tough work.
00:23:43.000 And to answer
00:23:43.620 any questions
00:23:44.220 about how well
00:23:45.020 I'm doing.
00:23:45.980 That's the other
00:23:47.440 side of this too.
00:23:48.460 These are questions
00:23:50.360 to make sure
00:23:50.980 that he and his team
00:23:52.980 are accountable
00:23:53.600 to Canadians.
00:23:55.180 Exactly.
00:23:56.160 Which they don't
00:23:56.760 want to be.
00:23:57.520 And so his idea
00:23:58.760 is one day a week
00:24:00.080 in question period
00:24:00.940 the other four days
00:24:02.300 of the week
00:24:02.700 that the House
00:24:03.180 is sitting
00:24:03.580 he would not
00:24:04.480 be available
00:24:04.980 for question period.
00:24:05.840 Is that right?
00:24:06.300 Exactly.
00:24:07.260 No matter what
00:24:08.140 was happening
00:24:08.700 he would be able
00:24:10.300 to then have license
00:24:11.440 to say
00:24:12.420 hey the standing
00:24:13.280 orders only say
00:24:14.260 I need to be here
00:24:15.060 one day a week.
00:24:16.580 And I mean
00:24:17.060 again back to
00:24:18.620 the whole idea
00:24:19.260 of changing
00:24:20.080 these rules
00:24:20.720 without getting
00:24:21.880 a consensus
00:24:22.560 he is now
00:24:23.860 saying that
00:24:24.400 every Prime Minister
00:24:25.340 from now
00:24:26.300 until whenever
00:24:27.580 for eternity
00:24:28.720 would only have
00:24:29.820 to be here
00:24:30.260 one day a week
00:24:30.940 and then could
00:24:31.920 go ahead
00:24:32.340 and make other
00:24:32.980 changes to the
00:24:33.720 standing orders
00:24:34.380 for their benefit.
00:24:35.840 Unilaterally basically.
00:24:36.960 Back to your example
00:24:38.220 it would be like
00:24:39.140 as if the Stanley Cup
00:24:40.920 winner said
00:24:42.160 well we won
00:24:42.760 the tournament
00:24:43.860 we won the Cup
00:24:44.820 so we're now
00:24:45.580 going to go
00:24:45.920 change the rules
00:24:46.660 on how the game
00:24:47.400 is played.
00:24:48.680 Trudeau doesn't
00:24:49.640 have a right
00:24:50.180 to do that.
00:24:51.400 Yes he won
00:24:51.960 a majority
00:24:52.460 yes he's changing
00:24:53.740 legislation
00:24:54.480 and he's using
00:24:56.020 the tools available
00:24:56.880 to him
00:24:57.580 to change legislation
00:24:58.800 we're opposing it
00:25:00.440 but he doesn't
00:25:01.660 have a right
00:25:02.200 to change
00:25:02.740 the standing orders
00:25:03.620 and make his life
00:25:04.660 easier
00:25:05.220 without getting
00:25:06.160 consensus
00:25:06.700 from all of us.
00:25:07.660 And this is an
00:25:08.060 important point
00:25:08.640 it's not only
00:25:09.260 our position
00:25:09.900 but to be fair
00:25:10.800 the NDP feel
00:25:11.880 the same way
00:25:12.400 about this
00:25:12.920 so this is not
00:25:13.620 a partisan
00:25:14.260 conservative position
00:25:15.260 this is all
00:25:16.360 the parties
00:25:16.800 in the opposition
00:25:17.580 that are official
00:25:18.140 parties saying
00:25:18.680 hey wait a minute
00:25:19.340 let's have a discussion
00:25:20.720 and I want
00:25:21.600 to make it clear
00:25:22.680 we're speaking
00:25:23.080 by the way
00:25:23.420 with Candace Bergen
00:25:24.180 who is
00:25:25.240 the house leader
00:25:26.360 for the Conservative
00:25:27.020 Party of Canada
00:25:27.740 Candace
00:25:29.040 you have been
00:25:30.320 in my observation
00:25:31.380 I'm going to be
00:25:32.080 editorializing a little bit
00:25:33.120 you've been very
00:25:33.900 reasonable in your
00:25:34.740 approach with the
00:25:35.860 house leader
00:25:36.680 for the Liberal
00:25:37.600 Government
00:25:37.920 saying hey
00:25:38.400 let's talk about
00:25:39.240 this
00:25:39.560 but really have
00:25:40.440 not had
00:25:41.060 a good conversation
00:25:42.960 because they don't
00:25:43.560 want to have
00:25:43.920 a real conversation
00:25:45.020 with you
00:25:45.440 you're right
00:25:46.300 Tony
00:25:46.600 in that this
00:25:47.260 is not just
00:25:47.820 the Conservatives
00:25:48.520 that are opposing
00:25:49.180 these changes
00:25:49.820 of the way
00:25:50.200 they're doing it
00:25:50.740 the NDP
00:25:51.620 are fully on side
00:25:53.220 with us
00:25:53.580 we've been
00:25:54.040 very strong
00:25:55.320 in our unity
00:25:56.240 on this
00:25:56.820 as well as
00:25:57.380 the block
00:25:58.160 and the green
00:25:58.560 also have issues
00:25:59.440 but what we've done
00:26:00.660 we wanted
00:26:01.220 to be reasonable
00:26:02.240 because we
00:26:02.960 we actually
00:26:03.500 would like
00:26:03.820 to get this
00:26:04.420 solved
00:26:04.880 it really
00:26:06.380 is disruptive
00:26:07.320 we don't have
00:26:07.980 a lot of tools
00:26:08.560 available
00:26:09.040 and so we'd
00:26:10.200 like to see
00:26:10.660 this solved
00:26:11.240 one of the
00:26:11.940 things that
00:26:12.320 we offered
00:26:12.940 the opposition
00:26:13.820 house leader
00:26:14.400 and I guess
00:26:15.100 she went
00:26:15.460 to Justin
00:26:16.720 Trudeau
00:26:17.700 and he said
00:26:18.240 no
00:26:18.600 but one of
00:26:19.860 the options
00:26:20.440 that we gave
00:26:21.120 them was
00:26:21.520 something that
00:26:22.080 I mean
00:26:22.380 I hate to use
00:26:23.300 Jean ChrƩtien
00:26:23.880 as an example
00:26:24.680 but Jean ChrƩtien
00:26:25.660 put together
00:26:26.820 a working group
00:26:28.260 of about
00:26:29.260 four or five
00:26:30.000 parliamentarians
00:26:30.860 and it took
00:26:31.380 them two years
00:26:32.360 and then they
00:26:33.240 came out
00:26:33.620 with suggestions
00:26:34.220 for changes
00:26:34.860 to the standing
00:26:35.500 order
00:26:35.760 it was workable
00:26:37.100 there wasn't
00:26:37.700 a bunch of
00:26:38.340 havoc in the
00:26:39.360 house
00:26:39.720 or in the
00:26:40.120 chamber
00:26:40.480 there was
00:26:41.160 peace
00:26:41.660 everybody
00:26:42.060 worked together
00:26:43.320 so we've
00:26:44.300 written her
00:26:44.740 a letter
00:26:45.120 two letters
00:26:45.900 actually
00:26:46.300 saying
00:26:46.680 would you
00:26:47.020 even consider
00:26:47.700 this model
00:26:48.680 it was one
00:26:49.220 of your
00:26:49.540 prime ministers
00:26:50.180 so why
00:26:50.860 wouldn't
00:26:51.140 you accept
00:26:51.660 it
00:26:51.920 and we
00:26:53.220 heard nothing
00:26:53.700 back from
00:26:54.200 her until
00:26:54.780 a week ago
00:26:55.380 when she
00:26:55.860 said
00:26:56.320 no we're
00:26:57.080 just going
00:26:57.420 to introduce
00:26:57.920 a motion
00:26:58.380 on the
00:26:58.840 floor of
00:26:59.560 the house
00:26:59.820 of commons
00:27:00.280 and we're
00:27:00.560 going to
00:27:00.740 ram these
00:27:01.140 through
00:27:01.380 so they've
00:27:02.060 been very
00:27:02.540 unreasonable
00:27:03.040 to work
00:27:03.560 with
00:27:03.700 so where
00:27:04.100 does it
00:27:04.360 go from
00:27:04.640 here
00:27:04.880 Candice
00:27:05.280 what do
00:27:06.360 we expect
00:27:06.840 to have
00:27:07.180 happen
00:27:07.500 and will
00:27:08.240 there be
00:27:08.880 a debate
00:27:09.240 about this
00:27:09.800 they've
00:27:10.740 told us
00:27:11.140 that they
00:27:11.420 will put
00:27:11.740 a motion
00:27:12.100 on the
00:27:12.520 house
00:27:12.860 floor
00:27:13.360 we haven't
00:27:14.640 seen it
00:27:15.060 yet
00:27:15.300 so if
00:27:16.540 and when
00:27:17.140 that happens
00:27:17.780 we're going
00:27:18.760 to use
00:27:19.020 every tool
00:27:19.720 available
00:27:20.240 to stop
00:27:21.280 them from
00:27:21.660 doing this
00:27:22.320 and it won't
00:27:23.800 be good
00:27:24.180 for them
00:27:24.720 and overall
00:27:25.560 it's just
00:27:26.540 not good
00:27:26.920 for the
00:27:27.240 respect
00:27:27.660 and for
00:27:28.000 the work
00:27:28.340 that we're
00:27:28.620 trying to
00:27:28.940 do here
00:27:29.260 in the
00:27:29.440 house of
00:27:29.740 commons
00:27:30.100 but they
00:27:31.520 really have
00:27:32.140 left us
00:27:32.560 very few
00:27:33.260 options
00:27:33.700 they really
00:27:34.320 are being
00:27:34.780 bullies
00:27:35.200 on this
00:27:35.540 again I
00:27:36.320 don't like
00:27:36.820 using that
00:27:37.320 term
00:27:37.640 but they
00:27:38.420 are
00:27:38.680 we've
00:27:41.040 kept the
00:27:41.280 door open
00:27:41.840 to say
00:27:42.340 look if
00:27:42.840 you change
00:27:43.300 your mind
00:27:43.660 we want
00:27:44.000 to talk
00:27:44.300 to you
00:27:44.520 is that
00:27:44.780 right
00:27:45.000 we do
00:27:45.600 and we're
00:27:45.960 willing to
00:27:46.500 compromise
00:27:47.000 and find
00:27:47.560 a workable
00:27:48.040 solution
00:27:48.540 but again
00:27:49.500 we know
00:27:50.460 this
00:27:50.700 prime
00:27:50.940 minister
00:27:51.300 there's a
00:27:52.640 level of
00:27:53.080 arrogance
00:27:53.460 that is
00:27:54.560 just getting
00:27:55.120 out of
00:27:55.540 control
00:27:55.980 and I
00:27:56.400 think that's
00:27:56.880 what we're
00:27:57.160 seeing
00:27:57.580 we're seeing
00:27:58.500 this where
00:27:59.000 the house
00:27:59.600 of commons
00:28:00.140 and you know
00:28:00.760 you minions
00:28:01.480 here in
00:28:01.900 parliament
00:28:02.240 don't really
00:28:02.780 matter
00:28:03.100 and how
00:28:03.440 dare you
00:28:03.820 challenge
00:28:04.200 me
00:28:04.460 Justin
00:28:04.900 Trudeau
00:28:05.400 so I
00:28:06.040 don't want
00:28:06.440 to be
00:28:06.740 here
00:28:07.080 and I
00:28:07.940 will push
00:28:08.440 through
00:28:08.700 what I
00:28:09.080 want to
00:28:09.440 because
00:28:09.820 you know
00:28:10.300 I'm large
00:28:10.760 and I'm
00:28:11.040 in charge
00:28:11.480 it should
00:28:12.440 be noted
00:28:12.900 that this
00:28:13.380 is the
00:28:13.960 second time
00:28:14.560 they tried
00:28:14.900 to push
00:28:15.280 these
00:28:15.580 through
00:28:15.860 in the
00:28:16.660 short
00:28:17.040 term
00:28:18.020 of the
00:28:18.600 Trudeau
00:28:19.240 government
00:28:19.540 so far
00:28:20.200 the last
00:28:21.120 time
00:28:21.380 it was
00:28:21.580 kind of
00:28:21.840 derailed
00:28:22.260 by
00:28:22.600 Justin
00:28:23.040 Trudeau's
00:28:23.440 elbow
00:28:23.720 on the
00:28:24.920 floor
00:28:25.100 of the
00:28:25.280 house
00:28:25.420 of
00:28:25.560 commons
00:28:25.900 when the
00:28:26.240 errant
00:28:26.480 elbow
00:28:26.920 hit
00:28:27.820 an
00:28:28.300 opposition
00:28:28.780 MP
00:28:29.400 and then
00:28:30.800 they
00:28:31.000 kind of
00:28:31.360 retreated
00:28:31.800 from
00:28:31.980 that
00:28:32.300 but it's
00:28:32.840 really
00:28:33.160 the same
00:28:33.960 kind
00:28:34.520 of
00:28:34.860 way
00:28:35.260 that
00:28:35.440 they're
00:28:35.580 trying
00:28:35.740 to do
00:28:36.020 things
00:28:36.400 here's
00:28:36.900 you know
00:28:37.460 here's
00:28:37.780 our plan
00:28:38.320 we're
00:28:38.660 going to
00:28:38.840 vote on
00:28:39.220 it
00:28:39.340 we're
00:28:39.520 not
00:28:39.680 going
00:28:39.800 to
00:28:39.860 have
00:28:40.040 any
00:28:40.200 consensus
00:28:40.640 we're
00:28:40.940 just
00:28:41.080 going
00:28:41.200 to
00:28:41.300 ram
00:28:41.480 it
00:28:41.600 through
00:28:41.840 that's
00:28:42.540 right
00:28:42.680 they have
00:28:43.020 tried
00:28:43.260 this
00:28:43.500 before
00:28:43.940 a year
00:28:44.820 and a half
00:28:45.180 ago
00:28:45.440 it didn't
00:28:46.020 go well
00:28:46.520 for them
00:28:47.240 but maybe
00:28:48.160 they've thought
00:28:48.680 that there's
00:28:49.220 enough time
00:28:50.220 has passed
00:28:50.800 and again
00:28:51.560 why it didn't
00:28:52.260 go well
00:28:52.580 for them
00:28:52.960 the last
00:28:53.500 time
00:28:53.740 is because
00:28:54.340 Trudeau
00:28:55.800 lost his
00:28:56.420 temper
00:28:56.760 and came
00:28:57.300 charging
00:28:57.720 across
00:28:58.260 the
00:28:58.740 house
00:28:58.940 of
00:28:59.080 commons
00:28:59.340 floor
00:28:59.680 unbelievable
00:29:01.140 to watch
00:29:02.320 you were
00:29:02.640 there
00:29:02.820 I was
00:29:03.220 there
00:29:03.460 it was
00:29:04.560 unbelievable
00:29:05.000 to watch
00:29:05.740 but I
00:29:06.480 don't think
00:29:07.320 that was
00:29:07.740 just
00:29:08.020 out of
00:29:08.920 character
00:29:09.300 for him
00:29:09.800 I think
00:29:10.520 he has
00:29:11.700 been accustomed
00:29:12.760 to
00:29:13.020 especially
00:29:13.380 the last
00:29:13.860 year and a
00:29:14.240 half
00:29:14.520 getting his
00:29:15.540 way
00:29:15.900 and doing
00:29:16.820 whatever
00:29:17.140 he wants
00:29:17.700 and it's
00:29:18.600 this arrogance
00:29:19.480 and listen
00:29:20.640 this isn't
00:29:21.220 just about
00:29:21.840 us in the
00:29:22.520 house of
00:29:22.820 commons
00:29:23.140 we have
00:29:23.620 a job
00:29:23.980 to do
00:29:24.360 we recognize
00:29:25.140 there's
00:29:25.420 going to
00:29:25.560 be
00:29:25.680 challenges
00:29:26.120 but it's
00:29:27.000 arrogance
00:29:27.660 and disrespect
00:29:28.420 to the
00:29:28.860 Canadian
00:29:29.160 people
00:29:29.880 to people
00:29:30.580 in Canada
00:29:31.120 who are
00:29:31.480 working
00:29:31.840 hard
00:29:32.320 who play
00:29:33.740 by the
00:29:34.140 rules
00:29:34.460 who have
00:29:35.280 a lot
00:29:35.700 of
00:29:35.840 questions
00:29:36.300 for what
00:29:37.060 the government
00:29:37.480 in regards
00:29:38.020 to what
00:29:38.360 the government
00:29:38.740 is doing
00:29:39.280 it's
00:29:39.940 disrespectful
00:29:40.420 to them
00:29:41.220 and this
00:29:41.620 is the
00:29:41.880 wider
00:29:42.140 issue
00:29:42.540 isn't it
00:29:42.920 it's not
00:29:43.280 just about
00:29:43.720 us as
00:29:44.040 MPs
00:29:44.540 and the
00:29:44.740 rules
00:29:44.980 that we
00:29:45.420 are playing
00:29:45.900 by
00:29:46.180 but it
00:29:46.760 really
00:29:47.040 is a
00:29:47.600 greater
00:29:47.860 indicator
00:29:48.400 about how
00:29:49.540 people
00:29:50.280 throughout
00:29:51.320 Canada
00:29:51.720 are being
00:29:52.460 disrespected
00:29:53.140 and ignored
00:29:53.720 exactly
00:29:54.640 and we're
00:29:56.740 seeing this
00:29:57.280 on so many
00:29:58.060 levels
00:29:58.400 from the
00:29:58.740 liberals
00:29:59.000 whether
00:29:59.380 again
00:29:59.740 whether
00:30:00.000 it's
00:30:00.340 misuse
00:30:01.220 of
00:30:01.380 taxpayers
00:30:01.900 dollars
00:30:02.440 I mean
00:30:02.900 we just
00:30:03.520 heard how
00:30:03.900 they've
00:30:04.220 spent
00:30:04.500 $30,000
00:30:05.340 which
00:30:07.240 you know
00:30:07.540 what
00:30:07.780 that's
00:30:08.300 for some
00:30:08.660 people
00:30:09.040 some people
00:30:10.160 make
00:30:10.480 that
00:30:11.900 I mean
00:30:12.700 where I
00:30:13.220 live
00:30:13.400 people make
00:30:13.900 $30,000
00:30:14.520 a year
00:30:15.100 so that's a
00:30:16.760 living for
00:30:17.200 many people
00:30:18.400 the liberals
00:30:19.540 the liberals
00:30:19.560 used $30,000
00:30:20.440 to take
00:30:21.300 some very
00:30:22.440 wealthy
00:30:22.920 executives
00:30:23.860 to a
00:30:24.900 play in
00:30:25.400 New York
00:30:25.940 you know
00:30:26.660 because they
00:30:27.260 just think
00:30:27.820 that they're
00:30:28.560 entitled to
00:30:29.200 use taxpayers
00:30:29.740 dollars the
00:30:30.420 way that
00:30:30.680 they want
00:30:31.080 to
00:30:31.260 we've
00:30:31.740 seen
00:30:32.020 offices
00:30:33.020 being
00:30:33.340 renovated
00:30:33.940 for a
00:30:34.320 million dollar
00:30:34.820 costs
00:30:35.320 we're seeing
00:30:35.840 obviously
00:30:36.820 the prime
00:30:37.240 minister
00:30:37.520 flying all
00:30:38.200 around the
00:30:38.580 world
00:30:38.820 for all
00:30:39.200 of his
00:30:39.500 vanity
00:30:39.880 tours
00:30:40.380 and people
00:30:42.120 are struggling
00:30:42.840 people are
00:30:43.360 struggling
00:30:43.700 to save
00:30:44.980 for their
00:30:45.340 kids
00:30:45.560 education
00:30:46.200 to pay
00:30:47.060 for their
00:30:47.400 kids hockey
00:30:48.120 because they
00:30:48.580 can't use
00:30:49.020 it as a
00:30:49.380 deduction
00:30:49.760 anymore
00:30:50.340 parents have
00:30:51.760 seen income
00:30:52.340 splitting being
00:30:53.100 taken away
00:30:54.020 these are real
00:30:55.980 challenges that
00:30:57.000 Canadians are
00:30:57.980 facing and we
00:30:59.200 have a prime
00:30:59.720 minister who
00:31:00.280 is completely
00:31:01.100 oblivious to
00:31:02.060 it and is
00:31:03.300 just thinking
00:31:03.760 about what's
00:31:04.300 in his best
00:31:05.000 interests
00:31:05.520 and I think
00:31:06.220 that's the
00:31:06.680 wider issue
00:31:07.420 for our
00:31:07.920 listeners too
00:31:08.620 because this
00:31:09.940 is kind of
00:31:10.960 part and
00:31:11.320 parcel of how
00:31:12.160 the Trudeau
00:31:12.540 government is
00:31:13.180 dealing with
00:31:13.600 issues it's
00:31:14.080 not just about
00:31:14.840 the standing
00:31:15.640 orders of the
00:31:16.080 House of
00:31:16.380 Commons it's
00:31:16.920 about respect
00:31:17.680 for Canadians
00:31:18.340 and really
00:31:19.540 living up to
00:31:21.320 the promises
00:31:22.240 that Justin
00:31:23.720 Trudeau made
00:31:24.500 on the
00:31:25.220 election campaign
00:31:26.180 that he was
00:31:27.680 going to be
00:31:28.020 different he
00:31:28.960 was going to
00:31:29.280 be more
00:31:29.600 open he
00:31:30.380 was going
00:31:30.640 to be more
00:31:30.940 transparent he
00:31:32.300 was going to
00:31:32.580 be more
00:31:32.880 respectful and
00:31:33.900 all of that
00:31:34.320 basically we're
00:31:35.040 seeing on
00:31:35.500 issue after
00:31:36.100 issue after
00:31:36.660 issue is
00:31:37.100 going out
00:31:37.460 the window
00:31:37.840 on issue
00:31:39.060 after issue
00:31:39.940 you're right
00:31:40.820 Tony what
00:31:41.320 we are seeing
00:31:42.020 is a person
00:31:44.600 who campaigned
00:31:45.780 saying one
00:31:46.760 thing and
00:31:47.720 he's doing
00:31:48.340 completely the
00:31:48.980 opposite it's
00:31:49.700 like when you
00:31:50.140 scratch away at
00:31:51.120 the surface of
00:31:51.860 Justin Trudeau
00:31:52.760 what you see is
00:31:54.180 not what you
00:31:54.740 get
00:31:55.040 well I'm going
00:31:56.340 to leave it at
00:31:57.220 that Candace
00:31:57.880 Bergen thank you
00:31:58.680 for being on
00:31:59.460 Blueprint the
00:32:00.300 official opposition
00:32:01.100 the Conservative
00:32:01.520 Party of Canada's
00:32:02.240 official podcast
00:32:03.440 talking about
00:32:04.420 standing orders
00:32:05.420 but the wider
00:32:06.080 issues of
00:32:07.140 why the
00:32:08.360 opposition the
00:32:09.340 Conservative Party
00:32:10.080 we are standing
00:32:11.220 up for Canadians
00:32:11.960 and the Liberal
00:32:12.300 Government is not
00:32:12.920 but thank you for
00:32:13.480 being on the
00:32:13.880 show it's been a
00:32:14.500 pleasure thank
00:32:15.100 you
00:32:15.480 thank you for
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