The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Interference in Canada’s elections

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your

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00:00:38.600 course, today's topic, another good one for you, it is talking about foreign interference in our

00:00:43.540 elections. It's been hitting the headlines lately. It's coming up more and more. Lots of new developments

00:00:48.280 on this. To talk about that, we have Tom Kamich, the Member of Parliament for Calgary Shepard, also

00:00:53.460 the critic for citizenship and immigration. Thanks very much for coming on. Thanks for having me, Jamie.

00:00:58.020 All right. I think what we have to do first before we really get into the latest developments is

00:01:02.400 give a little context to this conversation we're about to have. How did this start? Where did the

00:01:10.240 beginning points to where we are now? And we'll get to where we are now. But yeah, like I said,

00:01:16.740 let's start at the beginning. So let's do two things. First of all, Jamie, we're going to separate

00:01:20.580 the government's response to allegations of interference in our elections and the actual

00:01:26.320 interference that happened in the 2019-2020 election. So 2019-2021, a foreign government,

00:01:32.560 the one in Beijing representing the Communist Party there, interfered in our elections to varying

00:01:38.040 degrees in individual writings. It didn't change the outcome of the election, but in individual writings,

00:01:43.200 they were manipulating people, bullying, intimidating Canadians, and also foreign nationals to actively 0.97

00:01:49.280 participate in our election. They were doing things like illegal cash donations in a 2021 donation,

00:01:54.240 and then having people pay them back when they got their rebate from Elections Canada. They were

00:01:58.320 bullying international students and Canadian nationals into supporting specific candidates over

00:02:02.820 other ones. And they're basically directing it. In fact, we now know from CSIS, because it appeared on the

00:02:07.160 front page of the Globe and Mail, Canada's national newspaper, that they were actually taking credit.

00:02:13.660 The Consul General of Beijing in Vancouver was taking credit for the defeat of two candidates,

00:02:20.020 two members of Parliament. They happened to be Conservative members of Parliament. Kenny Chu from

00:02:23.160 Richmond-Steven City. And Alice Wong. That's right. And so in both those cases, you had a diplomat

00:02:28.960 directing and then taking credit for the defeat of two sitting members of Parliament in the 2021 election.

00:02:35.180 It's also happened in Toronto. And a lot of those allegations have now been proven basically to

00:02:39.600 be true. That Consul General is no longer in Canada. She actually moved on to a different

00:02:44.860 diplomatic posting. And I've heard from many people on the ground in Vancouver, especially in Vancouver,

00:02:50.680 how much interference was actually going on. And then there's a government response since then.

00:02:54.920 So the government, the Trudeau government has always had this style, let's sort of speak. At first,

00:03:00.420 they completely deny anything's going on. That's what the Prime Minister said. He's never been briefed,

00:03:04.260 never heard about this story. And then it appears on the front page of Globe and Mail. And then they

00:03:08.420 start to double back. They start to say, well, of course, they've heard about this. And that's why

00:03:12.880 they set up this alphabet soup of organizations to respond and to look at. Of course, when he appoints

00:03:18.440 someone, the news back is always nothing to see here. Everything is good. Then the front page of the

00:03:22.940 Globe and Mail says they're wrong. The editorial board says they're wrong. They need to take this much

00:03:26.820 more seriously. And they keep doubling back to the point to say, well, of course, there was foreign

00:03:30.160 interference now. And of course, we take it seriously. And now we've gotten into the ridiculous

00:03:34.100 point where the government is defying parliament. All parties on Parliament Hill, except for the

00:03:40.080 Liberal Party, agree that we need an inquiry, a public inquiry, so we can air out exactly what

00:03:46.040 happened in full public view. And instead, the government's moving to appoint a special

00:03:50.300 rapporteur and to assign it to ENSECOP, which is a committee of parliamentarians named by the

00:03:56.440 Prime Minister to meet in secret, with secret evidence, with secret conclusions. So it's

00:04:01.240 completely ridiculous, but they kind of slow walk into it. And they report to the Prime Minister. 0.93

00:04:04.740 To the Prime Minister, that's right. So they don't report to parliament. It's not open.

00:04:07.280 There's no part of it that's open yet. That's right. And not even to the public.

00:04:09.700 Yes. It is just a big smoke and mirrors. But I will just back up just a hair before we get

00:04:15.320 into the latest announcement by the Prime Minister. Let's talk about what Kenny Chew, our Conservative

00:04:20.180 candidate, who was a member of parliament from 2019 to 2021, Richmond Stevenson East, I believe,

00:04:25.940 was his writing. He was talking about foreign interference in our elections almost immediately

00:04:32.320 after that 2021 election. And he was basically dismissed by the Liberals for sure. And in some

00:04:40.160 part, not all, I will give credit to some media outlets really digging on this and staying with

00:04:44.700 it, saying that there was some meddling, according to Kenny, that cost him the seat. And you could

00:04:52.060 say that, as you said, the Consul General in Vancouver taking credit for Alice Wong in Richmond

00:04:56.500 Centre. And there was parts in Ontario, Markham Unionville for one, that we had won handily

00:05:04.000 in a red tide in 2015 with over 50% of the vote. And all of a sudden now in 2021, when Liberals

00:05:09.840 are on the way down, Conservatives are on the way up, and somehow we lose that seat.

00:05:13.220 That's right. So these types of instances are concerning. So we've always been expressing

00:05:18.700 concerns since 2019 that there's something going on here. But there's a difference between

00:05:23.280 having suspicions and then actually having hard evidence. So like front page of the Globe

00:05:27.840 and Mail is showing that they have now in their possession documents from CSIS. So top secret,

00:05:36.240 secret level documents that actually show a connection between a diplomatic office and activity on the

00:05:42.780 ground by a foreign power, actively trying to defeat candidates and members of sitting members

00:05:48.100 of parliament who perhaps don't like their government, they're advocating on issues, on economic

00:05:53.780 issues, on human rights issues, and are advocating for different things they don't like. In the case

00:05:57.900 of Kenny Chu, for example, and I've spoken to Kenny many times, I spent a lot of time with him in

00:06:02.000 Vancouver when I traveled there. He believes very strongly it's related to his advocacy for foreign

00:06:07.280 agent registry, which is basically, it's legislation that's been in America since the 1930s,

00:06:12.580 Australia now has a foreign agent registry. All it basically says if you take money from a foreign

00:06:17.440 government, you need to disclose it. In fact, Canadian organizations in Australia have to register

00:06:22.720 with their foreign agent registry system. And it's fine, you just get to go online, you get to see

00:06:27.880 basically where is your funding coming from. It's a very fair and open, transparent way to do business

00:06:32.440 and to demonstrate to people what your ties are. So like alumni associations, for example, have to

00:06:37.500 disclose. And that's okay. It's not a problem. But in the case of the one that Kenny Chu was

00:06:42.160 proposing to do an active legislative framework for it, there was obviously one specific government,

00:06:47.620 the one out of Beijing, the communists there, who had a problem with it. And they started to

00:06:51.760 manipulate and to intimidate and to bully people. And now we know, but in fact, it is true because

00:06:56.900 CSIS knew about it. It was trying to tell the government, it obviously told the government,

00:07:00.520 and the government did next to nothing. And then they went, a whistleblower, a patriotic Canadian

00:07:06.320 decided that this wasn't good enough anymore. And they went and gave it to the Globe and Mail so that the rest of us

00:07:11.980 could know. And Parliament has been working on this. We've been working on this since March 2022,

00:07:16.440 when an initial motion was passed, led by the Conservatives at that committee, which is the

00:07:20.860 committee that we call by an acronym called PROC. That's the one tasked with, you know, look at

00:07:25.120 Elections Canada, legislation, foreign interference, and things of that matter. And then in September,

00:07:30.100 when I was on the committee, we forced it through one more time over the objections of the Liberals

00:07:35.180 to make sure we actually did the investigation we were supposed to do for interference.

00:07:39.900 So a lot of that work is because the public service, the bureaucrats, people in the general

00:07:44.420 public can see that Parliament is working on it. And they want to come forward. They want to blow the

00:07:49.820 whistle on things they see going on in government. And when we had the Trudeau government basically

00:07:53.400 saying, there's nothing to see here. There's nothing going on. Everything is a-okay. To then start,

00:07:58.460 you know, walking back that initial language, then we know where there is smoke, there is fire. And

00:08:04.780 this is not, this is like a giant forest fire right now. Oh, this is a massive security breach. So

00:08:09.540 let's go over after the Globe and Mail story was made public. Let's go over the Liberal talking

00:08:15.320 points. And we'll give credit to the National Post for coming up with this. There was first the Trump

00:08:19.660 card. Of course, people talking about this must be election deniers. That's right. We never actually

00:08:25.100 denied the election results. What we're talking about is the interference. Did the Liberals know

00:08:29.320 about it? If yes, what turns out to be, yes, they were briefed on it many times. Why didn't they do

00:08:34.440 anything? Well, because it benefited the Liberals. Next up was the nothing to see card. We're all making

00:08:39.240 it up, right? They got this out of control. They took steps in the past. They got, they're on it.

00:08:44.560 They're on it. Of course, then there came the partisanship card. Of course, if you're bringing this up,

00:08:49.020 clearly you're doing it for partisan gain. You're not doing it for the real benefit of the country.

00:08:53.780 Then came the It's All Lies card. So, of course, you know, the Liberals are concerned with the

00:08:59.740 Globe story, similar to Jody Wilson-Raybould. And there's so many inaccuracies. Well, we can't

00:09:06.040 possibly respond. All of a sudden, you get the racism card after that. Of course, if you're

00:09:10.040 talking about this, it must be because, you know, anti-Asian racism, that kind of thing. And then

00:09:16.700 they finally decided, yeah, you know what? Yesterday's announcement, we're going to actually take

00:09:21.280 this somewhat seriously. Probably, same reason they do anything, their poll numbers started to

00:09:25.560 show some decline. Yeah. So, like, you basically laid out kind of the history of their talking

00:09:30.280 points. Oh, absolutely. This is on everything. And as we're getting pushback on it. So, on the Friday

00:09:34.380 when the Globe and Mail story came out, I was the first MP on our side to ask questions, having read

00:09:39.620 the story. So, leading off, and it's, I'm hearing the parliamentary secretary's voice in my head as she's

00:09:45.080 reciting exactly those lines, sequentially, one after another. And that's when you know there's

00:09:50.880 something going on. Because if they're so bad at this, you know, if they're claiming racism,

00:09:55.080 which is completely ridiculous, like, my kids are part Chinese. I worry about a future where they may 1.00

00:10:00.000 be targeted by a foreign government, by an influence campaign, or for bullying or intimidation,

00:10:06.420 for the family members who are also Chinese. Like, that is wrong. Like, we as a society, 1.00

00:10:12.700 and as parliamentarians, and the government in Canada needs to be concerned about the fact that

00:10:17.480 a foreign government is leaning on our own citizens, on permanent residents in this country, 0.88

00:10:23.300 and not just leaning on them, cajoling them, bullying them, and using subterfuge to try and

00:10:28.900 get to them to make them do something they wouldn't want to do all on their own. And then it's even more

00:10:34.420 worrying that the government was so blasé about it, you know, calling it partisanship, and then,

00:10:38.920 you know, impugning our motives, or bringing it up. And you're absolutely right, the election result

00:10:43.820 wouldn't have changed. That's right. The election would have still been won by the, by the, by the 0.94

00:10:48.260 liberals. Minority liberal. Minority liberal government, which in this case was actually

00:10:51.880 the goal of the government in Beijing. That was their goal. That's what they wanted. They wouldn't

00:10:57.320 have changed. But individual ridings, there was obviously an impact. Yes. Some in Toronto,

00:11:01.640 and some in Vancouver. So at the very local level, because we know this, we have 338

00:11:06.440 ridings in this country. There's 338 mini elections going on, just like in yours and my own. But in

00:11:13.400 certain ridings, obviously, those campaigns were very, very focused, and obviously effective,

00:11:17.680 because they had an impact. That's foreign interference. As a foreign government actively

00:11:22.260 participating, they have a plan, a strategy in line to defeat certain candidates that they don't like.

00:11:28.300 And it's most concerning that, you know, there's this talk of all these candidates that took support,

00:11:32.000 whether knowingly or unknowingly. The government won't tell us. Yeah, who those nine are. Exactly.

00:11:36.920 Who are they? Just tell us the names. Disclose the names. They obviously know who they are.

00:11:41.260 Just tell us who they are. And then the public can decide, kind of, and make up an opinion on what

00:11:46.540 should happen next. What we've been calling for consistently now is a public inquiry under the

00:11:51.820 Inquiries Act. It's worked for the Nova Scotia mass shooting. They've done it with the ROLO

00:11:56.760 Inquiry and Emergency Act, which is a requirement of the law. The government has the power to simply

00:12:02.300 call an inquiry. Right now, again, for the second time, at least in the eight years I've been here,

00:12:07.360 the government is defying Parliament. They defied Parliament when we ordered them to release

00:12:11.520 documents during the pandemic from the Public Health Agency of Canada. They went to the extraordinary

00:12:16.000 step of actually suing the Speaker to stop the release of the documents. Do you remember that?

00:12:20.240 That was the two, for those looking to be up to date, it was the two scientists linked back to

00:12:28.460 Beijing that were escorted out. The Winnipeg lab. The Winnipeg high security lab, which we still

00:12:36.400 don't have answers on. It's funny how when it comes to Beijing, when it comes to China's Communist Party,

00:12:43.460 there is always a problem with the Liberals. At first, this is the same government that when they

00:12:47.760 came in, they wanted to first negotiate a free trade deal back in 2016. They had the door slammed

00:12:52.240 in their face. This is the same government that slow walked the return of the two Michaels to 0.86

00:12:57.780 Canada and the case of Meng Wanzhou. And they were completely incapable of managing that relationship.

00:13:03.160 This is the group of people who slow walked banning Huawei from our 5G network. Whenever it comes to

00:13:09.720 anything related to Beijing, they're so timid. What the people are not timid with is accusing every

00:13:15.120 single person who disagrees with them of racism, of partisanship, of making it up, that you're lying.

00:13:20.420 They get very defensive when we start talking about their relationship, their pushback, and actually

00:13:27.880 looking after Canada's national security, and also the integrity of our elections when it comes to

00:13:33.160 Beijing and China's Communist Party. That's worrisome that they're so soft when it comes to an issue of

00:13:38.960 one individual foreign government that keeps repeatedly coming up in the news and in issues

00:13:45.220 of national security, of election interference, of the sanctity and protection of our judicial system

00:13:50.460 when it came to Meng Wanzhou's extradition case. So time and time again, the Prime Minister has been

00:13:55.460 personally weak on this issue, and we need action, and we need this public inquiry.

00:13:59.960 Well, according to the National Post article, they've laid out the whole gamut of errors by

00:14:07.600 the Prime Minister. Let's also talk about the, well, we'll touch on it briefly, but the Trudeau

00:14:13.860 Foundation received money that was tied back to Beijing, and they have since brought it back. So

00:14:19.660 as we were talking just before the show, and you had mentioned it, even the Trudeau Foundation

00:14:23.980 is giving the money back. So it goes against the kind of nothing to see card, or the it's all

00:14:29.580 lies card played by the Prime Minister. They, there's no interest on the money, they shouldn't

00:14:33.980 have taken it to begin with, but they're actually giving it back. So there must be something there.

00:14:38.640 Obviously, you know, you know, it's really wrong when the Trudeau Foundation looks at the facts

00:14:44.320 right now as they are being presented in the public. So they're obviously watching the debates,

00:14:48.920 they're looking at the parliamentary committees, they're just seeing snippets out of question period,

00:14:52.620 and they're like, yeah, this is, this is money we should have not accepted. And they go before

00:14:57.540 the Prime Minister to return the money, for the namesake, the same namesake that he has,

00:15:02.480 the Foundation returns the money. Well, the government at the time kept claiming there's

00:15:05.800 nothing to see here. Conservatives and other opposition parties are, you know, playing politics.

00:15:10.960 If the Foundation says there's something wrong with this money, we accept it and returns it.

00:15:15.040 Obviously, it was as obvious as it was the rest of us. There's something going on, there is

00:15:19.160 a great amount of smoke, and you need to act, and you need to react, in a way that ensures,

00:15:24.460 again, that the public has confidence in what you're doing. And the government, again,

00:15:28.320 has been slow to react. Again, first the denials, then the accusations. And it's the same thing time

00:15:34.660 and time again that they've done on any major public policy issue that arises. They wedge,

00:15:40.440 they stigmatize, they divide. And then... And somehow it's Harper's fault. Don't forget that.

00:15:45.160 It's Harper's fault. Harper never did anything pre-2015. It was never a bother then. Well,

00:15:50.300 the two elections in question are 2019 and 2021. They've had eight years. After eight years,

00:15:55.200 they've had ample time to set up the systems to actually go after foreign agents who are actually

00:16:01.120 working in our country to intimidate Canadians, intimidate and bully international students, 0.98

00:16:06.040 you know, forcing them to do things they don't want to do. And many of these people, again,

00:16:09.680 I have to remind people always, there are Canadians being intimidated and bullied by a foreign

00:16:14.040 government in our own country. In our own country.

00:16:16.240 Like I travel quite a bit to Vancouver and I've now met with both Hong Kongers, people who've

00:16:21.240 arrived here, you know, 10, 14, three weeks before, and they were in Hong Kong. And they tell

00:16:26.960 me harrowing stories of being intimidated by, you know, the Hong Kong police service, by their

00:16:32.340 government, being charged with criminal offenses that have nothing to do with anything. And they

00:16:37.600 come here to these stories and then they're told, Tom, I feel just as unsafe now in Canada and

00:16:41.860 Vancouver as they did that. They continue to protest because these are democracy activists

00:16:46.580 who really believe in the cause, but they do so wearing masks with sunglasses on. And they're

00:16:51.740 afraid, even in Canada, of standing up to the CCP, to Beijing's communist government. And that is

00:16:58.780 worrying. And to then have a government that, you know, slow walks the response and then wants to

00:17:02.900 keep everything behind closed doors. Canadians deserve to know the truth. They deserve as much

00:17:08.500 public information as possible. Sunlight is the best disinfectant. We always say that

00:17:13.340 is very true because then we can all agree to what the facts are. Yep. Then it's not just

00:17:17.620 secret documents, top secret documents at possession of the Globe and Mail. Everybody will have access

00:17:22.780 to it. And then we can have a fulsome public debate. They'll never allow that to happen because

00:17:25.980 they've been briefed on it as we found out. They knew about it. They benefited from it. And there is

00:17:31.440 quotes here saying that the Beijing is only trustworthy of the liberals, right? Like it's an 0.95

00:17:38.420 ongoing pattern. So let's move over to the nomination of this liberal MP that seems to be

00:17:44.560 in the headlines more and more. It turns out that there was some pressure put on students in

00:17:50.200 particular and others to go into this nomination meeting, some with the name of the preferred

00:17:55.580 candidate on their arm in the nomination race. The government was apparently briefed on the fact

00:18:00.840 that this individual might be compromised by Beijing. The prime minister, for whatever reason,

00:18:06.880 or people within his party did nothing about it. That candidate became the member of parliament.

00:18:13.020 And it's just the lack of action in my mind. If there was knowledge about this, why didn't they act?

00:18:22.980 Well, why didn't they act? And now why are they refusing to have the chief of staff to the prime

00:18:28.180 minister testify before the committee that's investigating foreign interference?

00:18:32.760 They worked very hard to make sure she was excluded from the list of witnesses called to testify before

00:18:39.280 the committee. The prime minister's chief of staff has been there for eight years. It's one of the

00:18:44.320 longest serving political staff members. She knows that she must know things that nobody else knows.

00:18:50.900 She is the lead advisor to the prime minister. She has influence. She has access. And she's the chief

00:18:57.120 of staff to the prime minister. She speaks on his behalf. She has ears and a mouth. She literally is

00:19:02.660 the stand-in person to make decisions on behalf of the prime minister. That's the chief of staff's job,

00:19:07.320 is to manage the operations of the government. To have the liberal MPs at the parliamentary committee

00:19:12.940 fight so hard to exclude her, you know that they must have had a briefing that she is well aware of,

00:19:19.020 the prime minister is well aware of, where there's valuable information for both us opposition

00:19:23.320 parties to gain access to, the knowledge and the information in, and for the public to know,

00:19:29.660 because these parliamentary meetings are public. Everybody gets to see what we get to see and can

00:19:33.420 make a judgment call what's going on, which is also why the prime minister's response to call

00:19:37.500 this special rapporteur and ENSA COP behind closed doors. And he was so proud of himself making that

00:19:42.300 announcement. He was so proud. Absolutely, because I'm sure the communication staff thought

00:19:46.460 like a yes minister episode. At some point, you got to go and just, you know, never call an inquiry

00:19:52.620 or a special advisor to make a report unless you know the report's findings will be at the end.

00:19:57.880 He's already stacked the deck. He's already tipped the scales. And he already knows what the report

00:20:01.720 will be like at the end of the day. Those are the types of reports the prime minister loves,

00:20:05.180 where he basically gets to control the end product. So he knows what they're going to say at

00:20:08.220 the end. That's why he was so happy yesterday. But the Canadians aren't buying it. I don't see

00:20:11.920 journalists buying it as well. There's nothing less than a public inquiry. I think we'll give

00:20:16.180 Canadians and us opposition members as well, confidence that we have all of the information

00:20:20.500 and that the outcome will be action and activity on behalf of the government. They'll feel that

00:20:25.300 pressure to actually, you know, clamp down on foreign interference in our elections. And when

00:20:30.860 there are, when there is foreign interference and Canadians are being bullied and intimidated,

00:20:34.460 there's actually activity, there's actions being taken. There are local campaign workers who have

00:20:39.320 information to share. There are people who've been intimidated. There are WhatsApp channels,

00:20:43.860 Weibo, WeChat. There is information out there for us to get at. And that should be made public

00:20:49.220 before a parliamentary committee and a public inquiry as well.

00:20:52.380 I couldn't agree with you more, Tom. We've gone way over time, but so much information. I think we

00:20:57.620 could go on about this topic for quite some time. As you know, I give the guests the final word. So the

00:21:02.360 floor is yours.

00:21:03.400 Appreciate that very much. I listen to the podcast when I drive to the airport every week when I'm trying to

00:21:09.340 get either to Vancouver and then to Ottawa here. I think on this particular issue, all Canadians,

00:21:16.020 regardless of how you vote, can agree. Like, we should decide our elections. We are the ones who are voting.

00:21:21.700 We're all citizens of this country. We have an interest in making sure they're free, they're fair.

00:21:26.160 Everybody gets a chance. And we all understand the rules at the beginning of the election. It's all equal for

00:21:30.320 every single political party, every candidate. What we can have is a foreign government getting involved

00:21:35.560 in our elections, and it's risk-free for them. There's no repercussions. No diplomat was expelled.

00:21:41.820 As far as we know, nobody was punished over what was going on. And there were Elections Canada rules

00:21:46.460 that were broken. Those are criminal offenses. It's a criminal offense to give money as a donation

00:21:51.580 when it's not your money. It's even more an offense than turn around, take the rebate, and then give it

00:21:56.060 back to the person who gave you the money in the first place. Like, there are criminal offenses that were

00:21:59.500 committed. My full expectation is that we will see a public inquiry called by the government.

00:22:03.920 They have to let Parliament decide, it's not the government. Parliament has called for it,

00:22:09.220 and it's up to the Prime Minister to show some leadership and actually call the inquiry.

00:22:14.080 And we're going to be calling on him to do that until the very end of June if he doesn't do it,

00:22:18.080 and then every single day afterwards until they do the right thing.

00:22:21.140 And we're also so dependent on other countries because we've given our way over manufacturing

00:22:25.740 for many, many years. So, well, that's a topic for another show. I do appreciate your time,

00:22:29.780 and I appreciate your time. That's Tom Kamich, member of Parliament for Calgary,

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00:22:52.180 an amazing show on Bill C-11, what it means for internet censorship. But this topic needs to get

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - March 08, 2023

Interference in Canada’s elections

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