The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Liberals doubling down on its power grab while failing to stand up against racism and prejudice.

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00:00:42.360 castbox you name it it is out there now amazing that we are still talking about this uh it it it

00:00:51.100 seems to be the the thing that keeps on coming back it's it's the government and their plans

00:00:55.660 with internet censorship this is something we've talked about many times before and it's making

00:01:01.140 its way through the the senate it's called bill c11 and as most kids go back back to school across

00:01:06.860 the country here in ontario it's the first day back we're kind of getting back into our routine so

00:01:11.220 i think it's good to bring this back up and and we talk about it so so to talk about that is the

00:01:17.400 shadow minister for canadian heritage the member of parliament for saskatoon grasswood

00:01:21.460 the one and only voice of parliament kevin wall thank you jamie um deputy uh shadow of canadian

00:01:29.060 heritage it's been a a fabulous six to eight months in heritage i think we're the busiest committee

00:01:35.300 uh we had to deal with as you mentioned c11 the online streaming act we're um in this country

00:01:42.580 several people make a living on youtube and so on tiktok and that has ruffled the feathers of many in

00:01:51.820 this country that get their advertising dollars from government and other sources and how dare you use

00:02:00.360 youtube or tiktok or any of those other social media apparatus to steal the way people get their news

00:02:09.760 it's all changed from when i started 45 50 years ago in the business we only had radio and television

00:02:18.240 it was color it wasn't black and white television it wasn't that long ago but of course now everyone

00:02:24.880 gets their news social media instead of the radio or television and that's caused quite a uh an uproar i

00:02:31.440 think in parliament because uh the big companies in this country have gotten to the liberals and they've

00:02:38.560 cried wolf and the liberals have opened the floodgates and have agreed to pass c11 and uh really shut down

00:02:46.240 i think the free voice that uh people have had in this country with tiktok and youtube producing uh

00:02:54.720 various podcasts like this and now you're going to be censored so the algorithms are the big thing so if

00:03:02.480 they don't like the blueprint it won't come up and uh that's an issue that every canadian should be

00:03:09.680 very fearful with the government determining what you see and what you hear and and we fought it hard

00:03:16.320 in may and june it's the second time that we have fought this bill uh before the election last year jamie you

00:03:23.280 recall we got it uh suspended uh you know they did pass it through the house then and then trudeau

00:03:29.840 caused the election the the election nobody wanted so we had to start all over and we had another royal

00:03:37.200 battle in the house of commons in 2022 over this many people speaking out against the online streaming act

00:03:44.960 it really is something if you really think about it all the steps that the government has taken of

00:03:49.520 of course cbc gets over a billion a billion that's with a b a billion dollars a year the national press

00:03:55.360 gallery gets 600 million dollars so not to your local papers not to your local television radio station

00:04:02.320 it is only print media that covers parliament hill that 600 million dollar slush fund now they're going

00:04:10.240 to start with bill c11 if it passes to start to stifle voices that the government does not like

00:04:17.120 and that's exactly what's going to happen the government doesn't like your content we're going

00:04:20.880 to stifle that what kind of free society is this that's the beauty about the free market if one door

00:04:25.360 closes another will open and that's what the internet has been doing people have been getting

00:04:30.160 turned off on tv and traditional media i used to let work in that so yeah you know that breaks my heart

00:04:36.320 but at the same time the world is changing and evolving but the government has to make sure that

00:04:42.640 it controls that and this should be an area that free speech reigns absolutely jamie you know we

00:04:49.440 heard in committee time and time again there are voices in this country not being heard by traditional

00:04:56.400 media they just exclude them and they're the minorities in this country like indigenous groups

00:05:04.480 in okolibut and up north and all over this country the only way they got their message out was on

00:05:10.640 youtube or tick tock or facebook and traditional media has has left them out of this and it was

00:05:19.040 really disheartening bringing in groups ltbgq other groups diversity black lives matter they're just not

00:05:29.920 getting their message over traditional airwaves and this was their way to connect with their people and now

00:05:37.840 i'm very worried when the senate does get c11 that it will go through the senate we have a number of

00:05:44.480 senators former broadcasters that know the importance of free speech pamela wallen being one i've talked to

00:05:51.360 her many time on this and we're concerned because whenever you get government interference you get

00:05:58.560 dictatorship and that's not what canadians want we want a free exposed media if you don't mind if i don't

00:06:06.480 like watching ctv i can click to another channel if i don't like what i'm listening to for the national

00:06:13.440 broadcast i can i can go and get my sources from wherever i want whether it's facebook tick tock twitter

00:06:21.040 whatever and i think that's being eroded here in this country with c11 the online streaming act and i think

00:06:28.320 canadians some of them you know last year put up a big fight and then they kind of backed off this

00:06:35.360 year uh 2022 when we brought it out and it's frustrating because i think when this bill passes

00:06:42.160 and the liberals and facebook and all the algorithms put in all of a sudden what you once saw is no longer

00:06:50.000 going to be there it's going to be down 500 and some spots and you'll never see that again and and

00:06:56.160 that's not what canadians i think wanted out of this bill so that's the other thing right you just

00:07:01.600 touched on it a bit but there are content creators out there that aren't getting their fair share their

00:07:07.840 fair shake in the the mainstream media so they're they're trying new things out and it's amazing to

00:07:12.240 see all the people that have created something kind of with a cell phone and a microphone and all of a

00:07:19.600 sudden it it takes off and it becomes a career for them because you are giving people content they like

00:07:26.720 again if the government starts determining what content you'd like it then has control it can

00:07:32.800 control what you have you can see and and you see little little bits and pieces of the government

00:07:38.640 sticking their fingers into different pots you look at the energy sector and and so once you once you

00:07:43.600 have the government interfering in that it control access to it and then it starts to then be the

00:07:50.000 provider of those key elements of society that we used to or we should take as something in our our free

00:07:58.800 society you're right on i mean you used to be in radio you know how important radio is it's diminished

00:08:05.760 over the years i think for information people are getting their information other ways on social media and

00:08:12.560 you know people say well everything i read off facebook i don't believe well that's fine but you

00:08:18.880 have a balance there you can believe it or not that will be up to you and you know media needs to

00:08:26.240 i think it's in the back ages a lot i think we've seen that a little bit ctv and bell media over lisa la

00:08:33.120 phlegm when they uh did let her go supposedly june 29th and it just broke here in the last two weeks

00:08:41.520 it's interesting because media isn't as powerful i mean the regular source of media the cbc

00:08:48.240 cctv global where you get your information uh you know the globe and mail the national post and so on

00:08:55.600 the readership has come down in newspapers viewership has obviously come down on radio and

00:09:01.200 the listeners have come down quite a bit in radio so people have made their own choices jamie and

00:09:07.840 whether they get their information on facebook or tiktok or twitter that's up to them and obviously

00:09:14.480 they're enjoying where they're getting their information today i would say and i used to be

00:09:19.680 in television uh it's far more and we've got this instance right now in saskatchewan where uh 10 11

00:09:27.760 people have been killed this incident in saskatchewan that occurred this long weekend people are getting

00:09:35.120 their information more on facebook and twitter than they are the regular media and i would say you know

00:09:43.040 what good on them they're seeing these alerts come out in the province of saskatchewan we've been

00:09:49.760 inundated eight in fact over the last two days but it's far quicker doing it now uh with facebook

00:09:56.960 and the emergency alerts that we are getting than waiting for it to come on your local television

00:10:02.400 station or even radio because many of the radio stations now are simulcast and no one's in the control

00:10:09.440 room at all on a long weekend well yes you quickly touched on it i know what's happening in your

00:10:16.480 province of saskatchewan massive tragedy that has taken the lives of of too many too young and uh you

00:10:23.840 know it's just unthinkable what has happened and and uh we uh we wait further information as as that

00:10:30.080 story develops um getting back to to kind of government control and and what you get when the

00:10:37.040 government takes control of certain aspects whether it be the energy industry you get what the

00:10:42.080 government approves whether it's you know in abundance whether it is affordable for the vast

00:10:47.040 majority of people but uh if you're talking about government control over the entertainment industry

00:10:51.680 think about this kevin think about what would happen if the government had control over the music

00:10:56.080 industry i said this before in a few uh quite a few episodes ago i think in june the you would get

00:11:01.520 the music the government likes or the government wants to hear not necessarily music you like right

00:11:07.600 i bet you your musical tastes kevin are different from mine different from anyone else out there

00:11:12.880 so we want the best you want the most variety possible so that there is something for everyone out

00:11:18.800 there abundance equals peace but if you get what the government decides what is good music you

00:11:24.960 probably don't like that and this is the same thing that's going to happen to you in the internet

00:11:29.200 if bill c11 passes and the censorship giants start pushing down content that people actually like to

00:11:35.040 see watch here you name it you're going to get what the government wants you to see and forget about

00:11:41.200 what you want to see that that's not important according to c11 and the liberals absolutely you know

00:11:47.280 years ago when they brought out in radio the cancon requirements for a local radio station had to

00:11:53.680 have 30 35 cancon which you know helped a lot of canadian artists but shut out a number of canadian

00:12:02.320 artists because if you didn't have a hit in the top 10 your records weren't played or your tapes

00:12:09.280 weren't played at the time so you've hit it right on i mean uh tick tock has given new life to

00:12:16.640 entertainment where somebody uh can do a song somebody can do a message uh it's short it's

00:12:23.760 concise it's to the point people have picked it up i know a lot in the business have made

00:12:30.080 well over a hundred thousand dollars with people just purchasing and watching why not it's a free

00:12:36.800 enterprise so if station cklm isn't playing your song you have another avenue and that avenue

00:12:44.800 happen to be facebook tick tock so on uh youtube and people have absorbed that and um what's wrong

00:12:52.240 with the free market we have found justin bieber who you know is he a canadian artist he's supposed to

00:12:59.040 be but all his songs are recorded in the united states so the government's arguing well he's

00:13:06.080 partly canadian because he's born here but he does all his production in nashville or wherever he does it

00:13:12.400 and that's wrong well come on justin bieber was discovered through social media he is a canadian

00:13:19.520 he's one of the best artists that we have here in the country and he he got his start on social media

00:13:26.320 and what's wrong with that though we're finding people throughout this country that have a knack

00:13:31.680 for entertainment that will never ever get a chance other than social media so we've shut out many people

00:13:38.800 if this bill c11 goes ahead as planned it did pass the house of commons we were the only party that

00:13:45.840 put up a an angst on it when it the vote did come in june it disturbs me that the bloc the ndp

00:13:52.240 and the liberals all joined together not for the betterment of this country they sent this bill

00:13:58.880 to the senate and now we have a fight in the next month and a half in the senate over a bill that i think

00:14:06.240 is egregious in this country determining winners and losers uh and you know if you're just happen to

00:14:13.280 be a rising star in social media your algorithm may push you down you may may never get the chance

00:14:22.080 because of the algorithms and the government being involved and jamie let me say this the crtc and we've

00:14:30.480 seen it with the three digital suicide line number that they finally after over a year in the house of

00:14:38.320 commons all 338 members agreed with todd doherty on the three digit suicide number it took the crtc nearly

00:14:49.200 18 months to approve it it's going to take them till next year 2023 to bring it into force

00:14:56.960 i believe ian scott who is the chair today of the crtc and the five or six hundred employees it has

00:15:04.880 under it now it's a monster in ottawa they have over exceeded their powers and i think for me when i

00:15:14.000 stood up in the house of commons several times on c11 as a former broadcaster i never trusted the crtc

00:15:22.000 and there's no reason today 40 45 years later that i ever will trust the crtc this is bureaucracy

00:15:31.760 to the height the nine members that get the information and make the decisions of the crtc

00:15:39.440 you know nobody in this country believes in the crtc they've made a number of mistakes it takes them too

00:15:45.840 long to make judgments uh we've seen it with the telcos many uh hearings involving bell and tell us

00:15:54.160 and so on rogers crtc takes far too long to make decisions and i have absolutely no faith in the crtc

00:16:03.440 going forward on c11 i couldn't agree more if you want to improve cellular and internet connectivity

00:16:10.560 open up the fruity market open the the market up to competition because competition gives you a

00:16:15.680 better price better service better quality because you have to keep striving for better our customers

00:16:21.360 will go somewhere else we talked about we only have a few minutes left i i could go on about that uh but

00:16:27.120 i i just want to bring back something we talked about right at the beginning we talked this this show

00:16:32.800 about the internet about creative artists making their content but also one of the most important

00:16:40.400 things that we also uh touched on was political content and what can be put down in terms of the

00:16:48.080 government regulators if this passes obviously it would be anything the government disagrees with

00:16:54.000 which is is not what the the the free society stems from it's supposed to be a diversity of thought

00:17:01.040 a diversity of ideas that we can come together and rally behind maybe some don't work out or or

00:17:06.720 some aren't very good but think about all the things that's been happening over the past two

00:17:11.200 years if the government had complete control over the internet was able to push down content that went

00:17:17.600 against the government message all of think about what would have been left out or information that

00:17:23.280 people would not have been able to get yeah you're right and you know what the lathe uh

00:17:31.200 maroff situation that has come up with heritage over the last two weeks along with his wife

00:17:37.680 gretchen king it's an interesting one jamie because uh canadian heritage uh granted them

00:17:44.480 133 000 community media advocacy center to do an anti-racism strategy so it's uh from 2016 to 21

00:17:58.000 um laith maroff has got over 500 000 from this liberal government so uh you know all of a sudden

00:18:07.280 others like mark goldberg did a little back check on laith maroff and cmac and you know what they found

00:18:15.440 uh anti-semitic polls by him uh now we have uh the situation where the diversity inclusion and youth

00:18:23.600 minister uh ahmed hussein won't comment on it pablo rodriguez the heritage minister when asked this

00:18:33.040 weekend about it uh walked away from media reports so the minister i will quote may 30th said there's lots of

00:18:41.760 times we get questions that are very difficult to answer but we'll do our best to answer so here he was

00:18:50.080 on this long weekend first of all this was a big story in the media when it did break because heritage

00:18:57.600 gave uh lathe 133 822 and then crickets it wasn't until michael levitt a former liberal mp now working

00:19:08.880 of course with a jewish institution in canada along with liberal mp anthony housefather who is jewish

00:19:17.120 sits on canadian heritage he said i alerted the minister hussein about this he did nothing and and then the

00:19:24.800 media is chasing how come you haven't said anything finally the prime minister last week after two weeks

00:19:31.200 of silence finally says something about this but they should pull all funding to cmac they should also

00:19:39.600 demand the 133 000 back for anti-racism strategy so you're absolutely correct uh the media has finally

00:19:49.360 jumped on this but i will say this it was social media again that brought this out it wasn't the cbc's

00:19:57.440 it wasn't the global or ctv's it was social media finding it an institution like black locks has done a

00:20:05.280 very good job on this and so people are getting their information from other sources and that's what i mean

00:20:13.520 we need choices in this country this was a story that was brought out social media and now it's been

00:20:21.040 a two-headed dinosaur for the liberals and will continue to be until we get back to the house of

00:20:26.560 commons september 19th well kevin we are pretty much out of time i would love to go off on this topic

00:20:33.200 like every other topic i say this every week because it's just just a great conversation i i you were one

00:20:38.720 of the first guests on the blueprint when we were just audio we didn't uh didn't have the video

00:20:43.360 content uh all lined up yet so i do appreciate you coming on the show but if you remember way back

00:20:49.200 the guests always get the last word so i open the floor to you well it's been a good summer i think for

00:20:54.800 mps uh you know right now the conservative leadership is winding down probably should have

00:21:01.440 should have finished about a month ago because he or she that wins it on saturday we'll have

00:21:06.160 little time to get our caucus together for the september 19th but i think canadians are excited

00:21:12.320 the way the conservative party of canada is going you've seen that on the membership numbers everywhere

00:21:18.400 i go people are talking about you know i think the conservative party is ready to lead the country

00:21:24.720 of canada i not only hear it in the west where of course uh conservatives rule in alberta and saskatchewan

00:21:32.400 but jamie i'm also hearing it from the maritimes and ontario and even quebec and i think our time

00:21:38.720 is very near once we crown the new leader saturday night we will have a vision for this country that

00:21:44.320 i think millions of canadians will agree upon and make the conservatives the next government in canada

00:21:51.200 that is why he is the voice of parliament listen to him kevin wa thank you very much member of parliament

00:21:57.040 from saskatoon grasswood the deputy shadow minister for canadian heritage always appreciate your time

00:22:02.000 and your insight thank you jamie all right thank you very much kevin and thank you for listening for

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