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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprint. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm

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00:00:19.460 CastBox, iTunes, Google Play, and Spotify. You name it, it is out there. On today's show,

00:00:24.500 while the Prime Minister vacations somewhere in Europe, Pierre Polyev takes the message

00:00:29.060 to the United States, telling the Conservative plan for future relations between the two countries.

00:00:34.220 Also, we're talking self-defense and a private member's bill to help clarify some of the

00:00:39.700 definitions in the criminal code.

00:00:41.380 To talk about this and so much more, we bring on Sandra Cobenya, a member of Parliament

00:00:46.520 for New Market Aurora.

00:00:48.180 Thanks for coming on.

00:00:48.920 Hi, Jamie.

00:00:49.580 How are you?

00:00:50.260 Always a pleasure.

00:00:51.240 Thank you.

00:00:51.880 Thanks for having me.

00:00:52.760 Oh, well, I figured you were the right person to talk about this because not only is it

00:00:56.620 your private members, Bill. We're going to start with a Joe Rogan experience, although

00:01:01.620 this is the only podcast anyone needs to know about, but I do recognize there are others

00:01:06.500 out there, you know? So we're going to talk about him, but don't look at him too often,

00:01:12.100 right? Joe Rogan is just a little bit bigger. Yeah, you want the blueprint. You want the

00:01:14.980 blueprint. That's where your source for information on what's going on with the party. So our

00:01:20.080 leader, Pierre Polyev, went on a bit of a tour. He met with the Texas governor, Greg

00:01:24.800 Abbott. He did a very good interview with Bloomberg, amongst other meetings and discussions

00:01:31.880 he's had on a very busy week. The Prime Minister is off somewhere in Europe. He doesn't actually

00:01:36.420 like to be in Canada too much because, you know, I don't know. He seems to be everywhere but here,

00:01:42.360 even though we got a lot of fires burning here. Loss of 80,000 plus jobs the previous month. We've

00:01:48.840 had food bank uses going crazy. The cost of living is out of control. The housing market,

00:01:53.140 who knows what's going on with that um but uh oh he'd rather be somewhere else that's fine

00:01:58.740 we'll we'll do we'll do our job here so let's uh talk about the joe rogan i know he's up on the

00:02:04.720 screen here all right joe rogan experience uh pierre polyev uh was there making the case that

00:02:09.800 canada can be strong and independent but it will never be the 51st state play cut one your party

00:02:15.580 was about to win but then trump came along and said he was going to turn canada into the 51st

00:02:20.000 state and everybody went crazy. Is that accurate? I wouldn't say they went crazy. I mean, it like,

00:02:25.100 well, it was, it got very upset. They should be upset though. I mean,

00:02:28.020 what's a crazy thing to say? It is a crazy thing to say. Canada's not for sale. We're never going

00:02:31.880 to be the 51st state. Uh, you know, we love Americans as neighbors and friends, but we,

00:02:37.160 we want to be uniquely and we want to be sovereign as Canadians. So we're never going to be the 51st

00:02:42.860 state. And I just wish you'd knocked that shit off so that we can get back to talking about the

00:02:48.780 things that, that we can do as two separate, but, but two separate countries that are actually

00:02:53.380 friends. I think that makes sense. That's a good message. Pretty reasonable, right? Yes, absolutely.

00:02:58.240 You know, I am surprised, uh, people are still talking about the interview and I think, I think

00:03:05.800 it's because there's just, there's just so much in there that makes sense, uh, that speaks to what

00:03:11.820 people are currently feeling, thinking, and worried about. Uh, of course this is one, one of the

00:03:16.920 elements. And I laughed at this. He did tell them to knock it off. And I would agree with him

00:03:26.020 in different words. But that's the reality, right? The U.S. cannot be ignored as an economy,

00:03:35.580 as a country, as a neighbor. But I think Pierce said it quite well in that we can be neighbors,

00:03:41.560 we can be friends. And there's just no way that we will be the 51st state. I think from the time

00:03:49.920 that that first was said until now, I think people have come to realize that's just never going to

00:03:56.140 happen. Yeah, while we like to diversify trade and find new markets for our goods and our products,

00:04:01.840 I think that's a good thing to keep that up. I know Stephen Harper came into office, there was

00:04:07.320 about a half dozen of these trade agreements.

00:04:09.540 When he left, there were over 50 with a few more in play.

00:04:12.020 So the work was seen back then as a smart move, diversifying trade.

00:04:19.620 And of course, we can't ignore the fact that 75% or more of our trade goes to the United States.

00:04:25.900 So shutting that down completely or saying we're done with the Americans, that's a non-starter.

00:04:30.720 That will collapse things almost immediately.

00:04:33.520 So we have to be friends.

00:04:35.100 We can be sovereign neighbors, but we can also make ourselves strong as well.

00:04:39.840 And that includes using what we know we have and what the world wants.

00:04:43.620 It's these major projects that we keep harping about, pipelines for oil and gas, new mines, strengthening the lumber industry, and the list goes on.

00:04:52.860 That's right.

00:04:53.500 And also just addressing the fundamentals, right?

00:04:56.160 I mean, the prime minister can travel the entire world and try to pitch Canada.

00:05:02.280 But at the end of the day, that investor with that $1 will have to decide, do they actually want to invest in Canada?

00:05:09.360 Is it going to be profitable or is it going to be more profitable somewhere else?

00:05:14.260 And if we don't address the fundamentals that we have been talking about from the beginning, the permits that take too long, over taxation, over regulation, then the investors will take their money out or not even come to Canada.

00:05:28.620 So I think Pierre's message of, yes, we have to focus on the big things that will build our economy quickly while also addressing the fundamentals to allow for the small to medium-sized enterprises to be able to actually thrive is exactly what we need right now.

00:05:50.200 Pierre also talked about, let's cut two here, talked about how there is a very big divide and growing divide, very unfortunate within Canada.

00:06:04.180 We have a rising youth unemployment rate.

00:06:06.720 We have some instability through a number of factors, including the administration in the United States, that is causing some uncertain times in our economy.

00:06:16.140 And people are rightfully worried about that.

00:06:19.400 But at the same time, we're running a massive deficit.

00:06:21.780 Food inflation is the worst in the G7.

00:06:24.200 We continue to have these problems, and yet the government continues to deficit spend.

00:06:29.160 And really, the cupboards are getting quite there here in terms.

00:06:33.380 You're on the Finance Committee.

00:06:34.320 You know this.

00:06:34.800 I'm not telling you anything you don't already know.

00:06:36.660 A former banker.

00:06:37.940 I don't know if you want that known.

00:06:40.160 It's a different type of bank.

00:06:41.480 Yeah, I know.

00:06:42.160 You're on the good side of the banking industry.

00:06:44.700 I was helping businesses.

00:06:45.940 That's right.

00:06:46.380 See, you're on the good side.

00:06:47.540 let's play cut two and we'll talk about that play cut two just making dollar bills with nothing

00:06:54.540 behind it nothing to back it this is the biggest fraud perpetrated on the working class people

00:07:00.140 in the last hundred years printing money is just insane it's just the the idea you just print more

00:07:05.200 money it's like and people go okay well it looks it looks painless at first but if you have an

00:07:11.400 economy with 10 apples and 10 dollars it's a buck an apple you double the number of dollars to 20

00:07:17.140 but you still only have 10 apples well all of a sudden it's two bucks an apple it's not that the

00:07:22.520 cost of apples has gone up it still costs the same resources to grow the and pick the apples

00:07:27.560 is that the the price has gone up because the value of the money has gone down okay i'm going

00:07:32.000 to oversimplify this so that if i go too far please correct me the good banker all right

00:07:37.080 so uh governments decide to spend they can do they can tax borrow or print and when we say print

00:07:45.220 We're talking about the government puts out debt or bonds for investors to buy and investors buy it.

00:07:51.500 Perfect. If they don't, someone has to buy that.

00:07:53.780 In this case, in Canada's case, in the pandemic, it was the central bank.

00:07:59.380 The Bank of Canada bought these bonds.

00:08:02.820 So basically what they did is print money to buy these bonds.

00:08:05.760 The stroke of a key, money was created causing issues with currency inflation and more money was put into the system to help supply the government with money to spend.

00:08:20.420 That's right. But it was never rained back.

00:08:22.440 Correct. That's exactly right.

00:08:23.880 there is this injection of additional money into the economy, and it's never

00:08:31.300 rained back. And now we see deficit after deficit after deficit from this liberal government.

00:08:38.140 And it's actually been going on so long that people start to forget that it was not always

00:08:44.940 this way. We did have a balanced budget under Prime Minister Harper, and that deficits do

00:08:51.680 cause inflation. These persistent, large deficits cause inflation. Why? Because it continues to

00:09:01.280 inject this cash into the economy. There is no reigning back. And in fact, Pierre also in the

00:09:07.820 interview, perhaps a little bit later on, talks about how one of the principles that he would

00:09:14.100 adopt as prime minister is this concept of scarcity, because politicians and governments

00:09:20.760 are the only ones living without this concept of scarcity. Everybody has a budget, a household,

00:09:27.740 a business has a budget. But here, they just continue to print money and spend without having

00:09:34.240 to balance it. And so Pierre talked about how he would implement this rule of if you want to spend

00:09:40.900 an additional dollar, then you have to find a dollar of savings. And it makes sense, right?

00:09:46.820 And, of course, he talked about how there is the Swiss franc, one of the strongest currencies.

00:09:53.060 Why is it so?

00:09:54.320 Because they don't have massive deficits.

00:09:58.860 And so it does make sense.

00:10:01.240 And here what we're seeing is, yes, our currency has devalued.

00:10:07.080 We continue to have large deficits.

00:10:11.260 And we are, in fact, the only shrinking economy in the G7.

00:10:14.800 So when you look at it and compare it to other countries, other economies, and we're the only ones that are shrinking, then that tells you that there's something happening within the country, right, that is different than others.

00:10:33.240 And I think that that's why you see the overspending and there's no economic growth.

00:10:41.280 I am particularly concerned about this deficit, because if you remember, the slogan that the Prime Minister used was, we're going to spend less, invest more.

00:10:54.160 Trust me, I have a strong resume.

00:10:56.700 But what happened was, when Canadians turned around and were no longer looking, he changed the definitions of expenses and investments.

00:11:04.320 And so where he was able to shift $94 billion approximately of operating expenses into the capital investment column.

00:11:13.180 And then we have the parliamentary budget officer recommending an independent expert body.

00:11:20.400 And now the International Monetary Fund.

00:11:23.600 These are international bodies that are saying, no, that that definition is too broad.

00:11:29.560 And so, of course, it goes along with the spend less, invest more.

00:11:34.320 But not really.

00:11:35.400 It's just the movement, the shift in the manipulation of that budget.

00:11:38.880 It's a little sleight of hand.

00:11:40.100 Which I'm particularly concerned about, yeah.

00:11:42.300 Yeah, absolutely.

00:11:42.960 And so when you look at when governments keep spending more, right, we have interest on our debt, which is wasted money.

00:11:50.840 I don't care if you're paying your credit card interest or even interest on a mortgage, right?

00:11:55.280 It's wasted money.

00:11:57.180 We're spending more on interest than we do on health care, right, in Canada, which is insane when you think about it.

00:12:02.960 So that's all money that's kind of has to be paid back, but we can't use it for anything productive.

00:12:08.340 That's right.

00:12:08.720 So governments look for more.

00:12:10.520 They've got to keep the programs going, but they're losing all this money on this side.

00:12:14.820 So you have to keep borrowing, printing, or taxing to get more to fund your core business.

00:12:20.420 And this is the very concerning spiral that we're in right now.

00:12:25.480 Yeah, it's quite concerning because you see a number of the major indicators that are not looking good.

00:12:30.660 Unemployment is up.

00:12:31.900 The economy is not growing, right?

00:12:35.640 The deficit keeps growing, and it's not looking good.

00:12:40.040 So one way we can maybe get our country producing more of what the world wants is our major projects, our so-called nation-building projects.

00:12:52.260 And unfortunately, let's cut three.

00:12:54.180 Unfortunately, there is a lot of uncertainty around some private sector proponents putting in a bid to to make either an expansion on a mine application or a pipeline or something.

00:13:06.820 There's still uncertainty with none of the hurdles that that we mentioned over many, many years have been removed.

00:13:15.180 So the private sector still hasn't seen a light at the end of the tunnel, and they're going to address one here about how we have a very good system in place here in Canada to get oil to markets.

00:13:28.880 Let's play cut three.

00:13:29.640 That sounds awesome, but the great fear is that if you do have an impact on the environment, that impact is often permanent, and it's devastating.

00:13:38.820 and i've seen some of the oil extraction that they've done up in alberta where you look at the

00:13:44.580 area it looks like like scorched earth no no no no no no no no it's the most responsible

00:13:50.900 or oil extraction in the world but when you when you see these what is that one area that often

00:13:56.900 gets criticized for mac is that what it is yeah it's they're open pit mines you open up a mine

00:14:02.100 you take out the you take out the bitumen um you subtract you you separate the sand from the oil

00:14:08.660 you you make it less viscous by putting diluent in it and and you ship it off and then after the

00:14:13.460 oil is after the mining is done they they resurface it and you wouldn't even know there was a mine

00:14:18.660 there and there's no impact to groundwater no impact to the environment i mean there's an

00:14:24.420 impact no matter what you do but at the end of the day the people who live there are very healthy

00:14:28.340 and very happy. And they're the strongest supporters of the expansion of the oil sands.

00:14:32.260 That's a pretty good point. Let's have economic activity. Let's give, as Pierre said in his

00:14:38.060 Bloomberg interview, let's create leverage in our negotiating power with the United States.

00:14:43.460 How do we do that? Start being more independent in terms of our energy to new markets. Asia wants

00:14:49.800 it. Europe wants it. Get it out to them. Let's get it out to them. We have critical minerals

00:14:55.320 that people want. Let's get these minds going. Let's create jobs, opportunity, and wealth in

00:15:00.820 our country and make us strong at the negotiating table. Something the Mark Carney liberals are not

00:15:06.080 doing, as you pointed out just a second ago. Our time seems to be fleeing, unfortunately. So I do

00:15:12.600 want to get to your private members, Bill. Bill C-270. We've got a screenshot here. We have a

00:15:18.660 clip of you. Do you want to explain it? Do you want to use your clip to explain it? All right, let's

00:15:22.440 QL Cut 4, this is Sandra in her, oh, I know it looks like Larry Brock, but he's just fixing

00:15:27.800 his tie here.

00:15:28.900 We have Sandra explaining her bill, then we'll talk about it.

00:15:31.840 Play Cut 4.

00:15:32.740 Is this castle law?

00:15:33.980 Like, how does this differ than what we see in the States?

00:15:36.900 Because I think a lot of Canadians would look at this proposal and say, did the Conservatives

00:15:40.160 want to bring castle law into Canada?

00:15:42.260 No.

00:15:42.660 I mean, self-defense is already part of the criminal code in Canada.

00:15:48.720 And what this bill does, it just clarifies the standards for self-defense.

00:15:55.380 So the bill, you will see in the bill, it says that when someone has knowingly and unlawfully entered your home,

00:16:03.600 so they're inside of your home, then the force that you use that you deem reasonable at that moment in time

00:16:12.320 and what you need to defend yourselves and your family is considered reasonable.

00:16:17.640 unless there's evidence that says otherwise.

00:16:21.320 We've had Larry Brock a few times talk about self-defense

00:16:23.980 and how we get around this, and you addressed it here.

00:16:27.660 It is the grounds of what reasonable is defined at.

00:16:31.320 It's in what I define reasonable as.

00:16:33.820 You probably define reasonable in a different way,

00:16:36.900 and a judge probably a different way,

00:16:38.420 and someone in the heat of a moment of a home invasion

00:16:40.820 definitely determines reasonable differently.

00:16:44.660 Yeah, yeah.

00:16:45.620 And actually, this clip was quite popular online.

00:16:51.300 And I think it was because for the homeowner, when you listen to the question, the question is still asked from the perspective of the criminal, right?

00:17:03.360 Like, well, is this castle law?

00:17:06.320 Oh, what if the criminal is not armed?

00:17:08.820 Oh, you're going to hurt them.

00:17:10.440 And that's what's irritating to people.

00:17:12.720 Yes, absolutely.

00:17:13.500 Particularly the homeowner.

00:17:14.980 And so the private members bill creates a presumption that you are acting reasonable, right?

00:17:21.960 When somebody is entering your home unlawfully, knowingly and unlawfully, first of all, there's a presumption that they're there to cause harm.

00:17:30.560 And second, the presumption is that you are acting reasonable at that time.

00:17:36.840 So whatever force that you decide to use in that moment in time, because these are split second decisions that you're making.

00:17:43.560 And I shared with one of the reporters, I said, well, I have two little girls are home and a little boy.

00:17:50.840 And if somebody enters, you do not want to start to assess, right, are they there to harm me?

00:17:58.080 Do they have a weapon?

00:17:59.560 What is their intention?

00:18:01.360 You know, what are they intending just to, like, you just cannot possibly ask a homeowner to go through that checklist,

00:18:08.200 mental checklist in a split second and decide what is reasonable for me to do. And so what

00:18:15.560 this bill does is creates that presumption. Somebody's in your home. It is presumed that

00:18:21.040 you're acting reasonable to protect yourself and your family. And so it seems to have created quite

00:18:26.840 a buzz, which I guess it wasn't expecting, but it's because it's important to people. You want

00:18:34.400 to feel safe in your own home and that is your safe place and it should your your home should be

00:18:41.460 to have a special protection protection within the law right when somebody is invading in your

00:18:47.240 privacy coming into your home you you want to know you have you want to have the certainty

00:18:52.320 that you can defend yourself it was just before christmas i believe this past christmas that

00:18:57.340 there was a home invasion and a father was was shot and unalived right in front of his daughter

00:19:04.500 uh like you know someone like you said someone going through them okay well they're in their

00:19:10.220 house maybe if i get along with them maybe they won't do anything bad but you never know until

00:19:15.280 it happens so at that point you know we have to say they're in our house yeah maybe coming for

00:19:21.120 our stuff maybe coming for you know us who knows why right like i i think canadians do want some

00:19:29.940 kind of reassurance that if they defend themselves if they are defending themselves with an intruder

00:19:35.520 in their home like there there is an intent on the intruder's part to potentially do them harm

00:19:41.780 and and uh and really you want to make sure your family is safe at the end of the day that's right

00:19:46.040 And you want that reasonableness presumption to be up front because, unfortunately, we have seen several cases of homeowners defending themselves getting charged because they defended themselves.

00:19:59.780 Then they have to go through a costly legal battle only to prove that they were acting in self-defense.

00:20:06.700 And then, of course, the charges eventually get removed.

00:20:11.300 They get dropped.

00:20:12.960 But that's unfair.

00:20:14.140 And when you think about it, when somebody comes into your home and they're trying to harm you, that's a traumatic experience.

00:20:20.160 And then to have to go through the whole legal process, right?

00:20:24.620 And I remember there was one of them, the gentleman said, you know, I just offended my girlfriend, my house, my son.

00:20:34.360 My daughter was just next door and it was all traumatic.

00:20:38.340 They were just watching a movie.

00:20:39.240 And the next thing you know, I was being thrown into the back of a cop car.

00:20:45.640 Like, it just doesn't make sense to me.

00:20:48.360 And so, anyways, this bill will be addressing those presumptions that I talked about.

00:20:54.020 Absolutely.

00:20:54.700 And we all do, unfortunately, in this day and age, I grew up, this never happened, but we do lock our doors now, right?

00:21:01.040 I would say the majority of people, I grew up in a rural area.

00:21:04.500 We, at the time, did not lock our doors.

00:21:06.700 But I believe that more people, almost everyone does.

00:21:09.240 And we lock them for a reason.

00:21:10.560 So if someone has enough gumption to come through, find their way through, you know, depending on where you live, you know, help could be minutes or hours away.

00:21:23.300 So, you know, there is that to contest with.

00:21:27.020 And let's remember, this bill or this idea was first brought up back in August where we as conservatives were essentially asking the government to put some legislation forward.

00:21:41.240 We said put it in the fall.

00:21:43.080 This is important.

00:21:44.660 Why?

00:21:45.160 Because we are seeing the rising rates of crime and home invasions and violent crime, but then they never did.

00:21:54.100 And so we are now putting the bill forward to say, OK, well, this is needed.

00:21:59.560 We asked for it. You didn't do it. So here it is.

00:22:02.100 And here is the opportunity for every member of parliament from all parties to support it.

00:22:07.860 All right. We've got to get out of here. But the guests always get the last word.

00:22:11.400 You can talk about whatever you want, your private member's bill, the floor is your room.

00:22:15.200 Yeah, no, I would just express my, or make a call, I should say, to members of parliament from all parties to support the bill.

00:22:27.540 I think the overwhelming amount of communications, text messages, emails that I've received from members of the community within Newmarket Aurora and beyond

00:22:38.160 to express how relieved, cautiously relieved they are that we're putting this forward

00:22:42.940 and that their hope for it to go through has been overwhelming.

00:22:48.120 It is an important bill, and I do hope that we count on their support as well.

00:22:53.640 You know what? Sandra Kobena, Member of Parliament for Newmarket Aurora, I agree with you.

00:22:57.740 But thank you for your time. Thank you for yours.

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