The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Serious allegations PM’s Office politically interfered in an active police investigation

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00:00:41.180 today we're bringing back back a good friend of ours larry brought the member of parliament for

00:00:45.400 brantford brant in the beautiful province of ontario is also the deputy shadow minister for the minister

00:00:50.900 of justice also the attorney general for canada and the topic today something he covered briefly

00:00:56.420 on his last appearance which is getting great uh feedback on social media because this is exposing

00:01:02.640 something i think the mainstream media is leaving out with the liberal incompetence and what they're

00:01:06.840 doing with the emergencies act but we're also going to talk about something that has come up it came up

00:01:11.440 very quickly in the headlines and just as quickly disappeared from the national news cycle and i can

00:01:17.080 imagine why the the media doesn't want to talk about it but three years after the events of snc lavalon

00:01:22.960 the uh justin trudeau government is once again facing accusations that they actively meddled in the

00:01:28.900 canadian justice system to achieve political and you all remember what happened in snc lavalon so let's

00:01:33.940 bring in larry brock here we're going to talk about the emergencies act we're going to talk about the

00:01:38.620 unbelievable news coming out of nova scotia with that uh inquiry that's going on the information so larry

00:01:46.060 good afternoon thanks for coming on the show thank you jamie happy to be back all right let's let's just

00:01:51.840 continue on with the emergencies act because that is something you came on a few weeks ago to talk about

00:01:57.160 some of the developments some of the interesting back and forth you had with the deputy prime minister

00:02:02.820 the finance minister christia freeland in committee and and we we really talked about that but just around

00:02:09.780 canada day something else happened the the government announced that it would be

00:02:13.380 relieving or taking away cabinet confidence and and bringing out a whole bunch of documents that

00:02:19.640 might prove interesting in this whole committee investigation into the circumstances surrounding

00:02:25.040 the emergencies act yes um you're absolutely correct jamie the everyone on the committee the

00:02:34.260 emergencies act committee um were quite optimistic that the position that the government took in terms of

00:02:41.140 waiving cabinet confidentiality and cooperating as fully and transparent as possible with justice

00:02:50.080 ruleau in his commission work that that is yet to be started but it will be starting shortly

00:02:56.140 we were optimistic that the documentation that we had requested in the emergencies act overview committee

00:03:03.260 would similarly receive that type of waiver um we have not received anything official yet from the

00:03:11.700 government that sets that out but i can tell you that i'm less than optimistic as i once was last week

00:03:19.780 because just yesterday we received a notification of uh several documentation several documents i should say

00:03:28.260 that were um deposited into our portal for our review in relation to a number of orders that we all agree to as

00:03:37.100 committee members compelling various departments of the government to release documentation so i haven't

00:03:43.480 had a chance yet uh jamie because it's uh roughly 57 documents and and each document contains upwards to

00:03:51.040 you know several uh you know several dozens of pages but i've done a cursory review

00:03:55.780 uh of the documents and unfortunately i see several redacted pages several paragraphs all blacked out

00:04:05.240 several pages completely blacked out so again a less less than optimistic that the government is going to hold true

00:04:13.740 in terms of its position that it's taken with justice rouleau so ultimately we're going to have to

00:04:19.600 look at alternative means to to bring this to the house's attention and get a ruling compelling the

00:04:26.160 government to be as transparent as as they're supposed to be in relation to this work that we're doing on

00:04:33.160 this committee so let me get this straight so the government made this big fanfare that they're going to

00:04:38.060 produce all the documents that the committee wanted to see while the opposition members wanted to see

00:04:42.800 anyway and it turns out just on your quick look at the documents in in front of you that a lot of

00:04:50.560 redacted sentences and paragraphs are quite evident in in the papers which probably and i'm sure you'll

00:04:59.160 find this out as you get into it won't give you the exact information you and other members of the

00:05:03.740 committee trying to get to the bottom of why the government used the emergencies act to get rid of

00:05:09.700 the protesters on parliament hill absolutely again all the all the government officials that we have

00:05:18.340 interviewed so far particularly the ministers have made it abundantly clear that they will cooperate

00:05:24.880 with the caveat that there is solicitor client privilege attached to some of the documents and

00:05:30.840 there's also cabinet confidentiality so we anticipated long before there was an announcement with respect to

00:05:37.860 their cooperation with justice rule oh we anticipated that we would receive the documents that they'd be

00:05:43.400 fully uh redacted and we would then look at alternative means to try to get the the original

00:05:50.900 documentation for our review again i was somewhat optimistic last week given its uh its position with

00:05:59.060 justice rule oh unfortunately they are not uh they're not following through on their stated path of

00:06:06.640 of open and accountable government i know that justin trudeau made that abundantly clear in 2015 that

00:06:12.780 this would be the most open and transparent government this country has ever seen and as you know jamie

00:06:19.060 you've been a member of parliament for a significant number of years and this is nothing new to this

00:06:24.380 particular liberal government in terms of uh not being transparent with the documentation they

00:06:29.680 release uh to to committees and they can't even get be transparent about the reasons for the emergency

00:06:35.180 fact we also heard it was public safety then it was economic and the the list just kept changing just

00:06:40.560 right what would stick to the wall here on that's right it's a changing it's a changing narrative

00:06:46.280 with every sort of justification that has been debunked and there have been several justifications

00:06:53.020 that have been debunked and disproven over the course of several months it always appears that

00:06:59.860 the goalposts continue to keep moving down the proverbial football field and they look at alternative

00:07:05.460 ways to justify this so we've already you know we've dealt with issues and there's still issues with

00:07:11.840 respect to uh to minister mendocino's his changing narrative uh justin trudeau's changing narrative with

00:07:19.800 respect to justification minister blair's changing narrative minister freeland's changing narrative so

00:07:25.740 it's frustrating for us it's frustrating for canadians we're just trying to get to the truth

00:07:32.080 canadians deserve the truth they need to understand why in the 34 years since this particular bill was

00:07:40.140 introduced and passed as law as to what circumstances were warranted enough to constitute a national

00:07:48.660 emergency sufficient to basically curtail and suspend our civil liberties as canadians we will get to

00:07:56.800 the truth we will continue to use whatever toolbox every sorry whatever tool we have in the proverbial

00:08:04.040 legislative toolbox to uncover the truth that is going to be our mission as as opposition members

00:08:10.540 on this committee is going to be my personal mission to get to the truth jamie well i can tell you when

00:08:16.080 the truth does come out as it has already the common theme is it's not justin trudeau's fault

00:08:21.820 right just like our airports are a mess there's lines outside passport canada offices two million cases

00:08:27.920 in the immigration file and the immigration department just laying on desk trying to get

00:08:33.040 through nothing is his fault it is really amazing right they will not accept responsibility for in fact i

00:08:40.540 i think i just read something today that we are now the number one jurisdiction in the world

00:08:45.460 for airport delays a fact that we ought not to be proud of a fact that this government knew was going

00:08:53.460 to become an eventual reality and they simply did not plan they had no exit plan uh with respect to the

00:09:02.320 end of this pandemic and it's unfortunate that canadians are now feeling the brunt of this incompetent

00:09:09.340 government well uh let's continue on the incompetence road uh let's talk about the mass

00:09:15.760 casualty commission here so that's the the federal inquiry it's looking into the worst ever mass shooting

00:09:21.360 here in canada happened to nova scotia it also is looking about how the rcmp dealt with it how it

00:09:27.860 managed its communications the whole gamut uh from from start to finish but what has come out

00:09:33.640 through the the the the commission and its investigation is and i quote here from the

00:09:40.000 national post article on page 103 the report outlines how the commissioner of the rcmp brenda

00:09:45.560 lucky allegedly dressed down nova scotia investigators for their initial refusal to release details about the

00:09:51.120 firearms used by the shooter and the allegations from the superintendent at the time and you can fill

00:09:55.340 in some blanks here is that the the people on the ground wanted to hold off on releasing information

00:10:02.620 about the firearms used in the mass shooting so they could hopefully use the tools that the united

00:10:09.300 states had in their fbi the atf to find out the source of those illegal firearms because they were

00:10:15.080 smuggled across the border illegally but at the other side you had the prime minister's office and the

00:10:21.560 then minister bill blair of public safety who wanted to it seems like use the shooting as a an excuse to

00:10:30.140 move forward with their firearms agenda this is an appalling set of facts that you have just

00:10:38.180 presented uh jamie and i think there's no politician uh in the house that does not feel for

00:10:47.120 the victims and the survivors and the families who have gone through the most horrific attack this

00:10:53.300 country has ever seen and then to have a government so ethically and morally bankrupt and challenged to

00:11:03.220 take advantage of this particular situation to advance their own agenda is just absolutely deplorable

00:11:11.260 it's disgusting and when i think about my time as a former crown attorney i i look at the values

00:11:19.760 and the ethics that i had to stand by every single day in my practice in my pursuit of justice and holding

00:11:28.460 offenders accountable while representing the interests of victims i did it passionately i did it diligently

00:11:35.580 and i took pride and i also i also like to think that the whole notion of a politician was once viewed to be a most honorable exercise of public duty it was an it was a it was an example of the highest level of public service that you could have not only to your constituents but also to the country

00:12:01.580 and with it you absorb the whole concept of truth and integrity and honesty and these are values that have been ingrained in canadians views of politicians and to see what is happening around the world but particularly in this country since 2015

00:12:24.580 the whole institution of the whole institution of of our elected officials in my view has been so tarnished

00:12:33.080 by the actions and the virtue signaling and the breaches the most the most blatant of ethical and moral breaches by this government it is no wonder

00:12:46.880 it is no wonder that canadians have a dim view of of politicians being honest and respected and when you have justin trudeau who made significant promises

00:12:59.460 in 2015 before he became our next prime minister that his government would be the most open the most transparent that canada would be back on the world stage

00:13:12.140 there was a level of optimism that excited canadians and then to have one series of missteps

00:13:21.200 and and political gaffes but more importantly than that you know some of the stuff could be excused as as a new government

00:13:30.300 but as we got deeper and deeper into his mandate jamie and after several several elections and several mandates

00:13:38.560 repeating the same lines repeating the same lines about how transparent and ethical his government is

00:13:44.280 there's just example after an example that he is disappointed and let down canadians

00:13:49.660 this being the most recent um the snc level and uh previous to that was another example

00:13:58.240 where he took immediate steps to interfere in a criminal prosecution

00:14:05.200 where he had no business interfering with and directed the then attorney general and minister of justice to

00:14:13.880 exercise her political clout just to make amends to a company that was again morally and politically

00:14:24.280 bankrupt facing you know serious criminal charges uh to interfere in that and to avoid a criminal prosecution

00:14:32.980 and then to have our prime minister look in the camera look to canadians from coast to coast to coast

00:14:41.820 and lie to canadians and indicate at no which way or form did he interfere or direct the minister of

00:14:51.980 justice and the attorney general to take whatever corrective steps were required in the circumstances

00:14:58.360 all of that was a lie and then to to be covered to be to be discovered to be a lie and and to to to to have the uh the the ethics uh commissioner uh declare that he had breached the conduct of ethics um to have him basically try to throw it under the carpet sweep it under the carpet

00:15:21.360 and not apologize to and not apologize to canadians for that breach of trust that breach of ethics and now this most recent example

00:15:29.360 there is a firewall jamie that exists between politicians and law enforcement and it is clear that they looked for an advantage they said the right things they showed empathy to canadians

00:15:44.360 they showed that as a federal government they were taking the appropriate steps but all along he had years and years and years and years to introduce this legislation

00:15:54.760 but chose the timing which was not coincidental to follow on the steps of this worst mass shooting tragedy this country has ever seen

00:16:05.100 to take advantage to take advantage and instruct either himself or the privy council or minister belair as he then was a minister for public safety

00:16:15.160 to essentially direct the commissioner of the rcmp to advise that certain details of the firearms needed to be released

00:16:25.620 and kudos to the supervisor on the ground who fought back and said to his ultimate boss i can't do that it's going to compromise

00:16:36.400 the investigation and to have other like-minded individuals uh reported now in the paper to say how disgusted

00:16:45.160 and how dismayed and concerned they were of this overt political influence is something that canadians

00:16:54.200 ought to take notice of ought to take notice of and ought to be extremely concerned these are classic

00:16:59.960 examples jamie of what you see in kangaroo countries and political entities around the world where

00:17:07.800 authoritarianism and totalitarianism exists this does not exist in pure democratic countries and what this prime

00:17:18.240 minister is doing and what his ministers are doing is inexcusable there has to be accountability

00:17:25.380 i can't comment on commissioner lucky uh that's something that she's going to have to to deal with

00:17:33.080 she certainly has some challenges in terms of facing uh facing the canadians facing the government in terms of her role in this particular matter but

00:17:43.240 as far as far as minister blair is concerned as far as members of the privy council is concerned

00:17:48.320 this warrants a full examination and i know that several witnesses later this month are going to be called

00:17:55.640 to a special hearing of the public safety committee i'm hoping that i could take advantage of that and be in a position

00:18:03.500 where i can ask uh certain people some some questions to get to the again to the heart of this matter

00:18:09.640 to find out why there was that level of uh of interference when there ought not to have been

00:18:15.560 so certainly uh jamie this is something that uh the press certainly became aware of towards the latter days

00:18:22.680 of our session before we rose for the summer break and it's something that we will not forget

00:18:29.080 and it's something that our party i know will not forget and we will continue to bring this to the attention

00:18:34.720 of the canadians they they deserve the truth and they deserve to have a government that represents

00:18:40.800 them honestly and ethically well let's let's build on what you said about canadians must take notice and

00:18:46.640 be concerned i agree with that and and this is just kind of a personal pet peeve of mine if if you can

00:18:51.840 compare what has happened in the past you remember mike duffy the whole thing around mike duffy

00:18:57.280 and his expenses that was wall-to-wall coverage by the media to talk about a senator who uh filled out

00:19:06.560 expense forms that were questionable and uh and it was reimbursed by the prime minister chief of staff

00:19:12.160 out of his personal funds all that that was wall-to-wall nothing new seemed to develop but yet the media

00:19:16.740 was talking about a day in morning noon and night now we have a situation that it looks like the

00:19:23.480 government may have interfered in a police investigation to further their own political

00:19:28.800 agenda but yet the media talked about it for a little bit but then once something else shiny and

00:19:34.920 new came they quickly as quick as possible turn their attention and this should be something that's

00:19:39.680 still in the headlines because as you said this is something that should not be happening in a g7 1.00

00:19:45.420 nation but yet it is and it's just being silenced for the last week or so this should be front page

00:19:52.580 until we have a resignation of a minister or people coming forward as you said will happen in the 0.71

00:19:59.080 committee but this should be sped up this is this is absolutely ridiculous couldn't agree more and um

00:20:06.960 i'm not i'm not here to to opine on what the press um uh the reasons why the press aren't following

00:20:14.620 this as diligently uh as they should because this is not the first time that this has happened this is a

00:20:21.480 this is a direct pattern of uh of interference where where the the prime minister and his ministers

00:20:29.760 are simply not following a code of conduct that canadians expect from their elected officials

00:20:37.940 particularly the government itself if we don't have an ethical government and an honest government

00:20:44.560 what do we have jamie what do we have to look forward to and it really concerns me that the press is

00:20:53.300 is assisting this bad behavior to continue silencing the public and not keeping this at the heart of

00:21:05.640 people's discussions at dinner tables at barbecues at functions this is something that strikes again

00:21:15.340 where i i comment at the very beginning it strikes at the erosion of public confidence

00:21:22.220 in our democratic institutions and and as a new time politician jamie is someone who has followed

00:21:30.540 politics all of his adult life it really greatly concerns me that this is the sort of blueprint that we can

00:21:41.600 expect from this government and and there has to be accountability so hopefully you know your show

00:21:49.720 and other like-minded shows and conservative colleagues of ours from coast to coast to coast

00:21:56.260 we'll use this opportunity to continue this discussion to have these uh opportunities of sharing this

00:22:04.540 on social media so that we keep this discussion alive if the press won't do it for us we will do this

00:22:12.580 to educate canadians until we have this government held accountable we know the ethics commissioner

00:22:20.680 is probably going to weigh in on this just like they weighed in on the snc level and scandal but that's

00:22:27.360 going to take several months several years to uh to unfold canadians deserve an answer and and they need

00:22:35.820 it they need the information it's our job to get that information out i couldn't agree with you more

00:22:41.340 and as usual this this always happens way over time but as you know i always give the guests time for the

00:22:47.320 last word i don't know if there's anything you want to build on i think you ended that perfectly

00:22:50.840 but the floor is yours if you have anything else to say jamie as the prosecutor in me now first time

00:22:59.760 politician i will continue to take that proverbial onion and just take a layer off a layer off a layer

00:23:09.460 until we find out the truth until we expose all the actors complicit in this blatant breach

00:23:17.300 of ethics and integrity and we want accountability that is our role as opposition members that is my

00:23:26.240 role as a conservative member on the emergencies act declaration committee it's my role as member of

00:23:32.220 parliament for brand for brand i will pursue that truth larry brockett is all always amazing talking

00:23:38.260 to you always great insight we will have you back on the show as this starts to progress and comes out

00:23:43.280 and i know you will uh love to inform the listeners and viewers as to what's going on thank you very

00:23:48.920 much fantastic rock member of parliament for brantford brant also the the critic the deputy critic for

00:23:54.300 justice and the attorney general for canada we do appreciate larry's time and your time as well

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - July 12, 2022

Serious allegations PM’s Office politically interfered in an active police investigation

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