The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - May 30, 2019


Spring 2019 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada


Episode Stats

Length

18 minutes

Words per Minute

152.71178

Word Count

2,796

Sentence Count

146

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

3


Summary

In this episode of The Blueprint, Conservative MP Michael Barrett and Democratic Institutions Critic Stephanie Cusey discuss the latest report from the Office of the Auditor General. They discuss what the report says about the Liberal government's record on public procurement and the use of partisan advertising.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 You're listening to The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:00:07.340 The cost of living keeps going up, deficits keep going up,
00:00:11.120 and he has to raise taxes to pay for his out-of-control spending.
00:00:15.880 Talk is cheap, except when this finance minister does it.
00:00:19.220 It's very expensive.
00:00:21.980 It's the fact that he punished two strong women for doing the right thing
00:00:26.500 while he moved hell and high water to protect his buddies at SNC-Lavalin
00:00:31.580 from facing a day in court.
00:00:40.060 This is The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:00:43.340 I'm Jamie Schmael, your host.
00:00:45.360 This week, our topic is the Auditor General's Report.
00:00:49.560 Joining me this week is Michael Barrett.
00:00:51.660 He's the MP from Leeds-Grenville, Thousand Island, Rideau Lakes,
00:00:54.980 right here in Ontario.
00:00:56.240 And Stephanie Cusey, the Democratic Institutions critic
00:01:00.380 and the MP for Calgary, Mindipour.
00:01:02.320 Thank you both for joining us.
00:01:04.040 Thanks for having me.
00:01:04.960 Thank you so much for having us, Jamie.
00:01:06.400 We have a lot to talk about because the Auditor General's report
00:01:09.300 was not friendly at all to the Liberals,
00:01:11.540 and it just shows, in my opinion, one dumpster fire after another.
00:01:14.520 And actually, I think John Iveson said the exact same thing
00:01:16.680 in the National Post.
00:01:18.120 So maybe, Stephanie, you can just give us a quick update
00:01:21.720 on what the Auditor General said in a few key areas,
00:01:25.300 and we can go from there.
00:01:27.300 Sure.
00:01:27.660 Well, thanks, Jamie.
00:01:28.380 You know, I always look forward to these Auditor General reports
00:01:31.740 because they never disappoint.
00:01:33.200 They never disappoint in that they continue to point out
00:01:36.240 the failure of this Liberal government
00:01:38.560 and the failure of Prime Minister Trudeau.
00:01:41.100 And this spring 2019 report was no exception at all.
00:01:45.860 I mean, it evaluated a number of areas,
00:01:48.660 including call centers, asylum seekers, e-commerce, RCMP equipment,
00:01:55.520 as well as political advertising,
00:01:57.740 an area that's very relevant to my area of Democratic institutions.
00:02:01.900 And really, Jamie, what we saw was failure after failure
00:02:05.660 after failure after failure, which is no surprise.
00:02:08.920 And, you know, before we talk a little bit further,
00:02:11.220 I just want to give a kudos to our team
00:02:13.180 that I think always does a fantastic job
00:02:15.720 of holding this Liberal government to account
00:02:17.780 in all of the committees.
00:02:19.160 You know, I've had the good fortune
00:02:20.260 to do these evaluations before in public estimates,
00:02:25.200 in particular on the consular report
00:02:28.160 in the last round of the Auditor General reports.
00:02:30.620 And so I really always appreciate the opportunity
00:02:33.560 for our caucus through this process
00:02:36.660 and through these committees to critically evaluate this area,
00:02:39.960 these areas where consistently we see all of these fails.
00:02:43.840 But as I mentioned, Jamie, for me specifically,
00:02:46.660 this time, in regards to the portfolio of Democratic institutions,
00:02:52.540 was the evaluation of nonpartisan advertising
00:02:57.240 with the federal government.
00:02:58.780 And Jamie, you know, before we get into the results,
00:03:01.100 I want to point out that this is something
00:03:03.460 that I specifically questioned
00:03:05.980 the Minister of Democratic Institutions,
00:03:09.440 Karina Gold, Karina Gold,
00:03:10.580 who will be hosting Politics and the Pen
00:03:13.040 with our own Erin O'Toole this coming Wednesday.
00:03:15.740 But I specifically questioned her
00:03:17.680 when she came to our committee
00:03:18.900 as to during the Bill C-76,
00:03:22.320 of course, the Electoral Reform Bill,
00:03:23.980 which was just passed in December
00:03:27.200 and will come into effect this June 13th.
00:03:30.940 Hold on to your hats, everybody.
00:03:33.360 I questioned her about specifically,
00:03:36.060 will, can you commit that the government
00:03:38.480 will not do any partisan advertising?
00:03:42.160 And her response was very flat out,
00:03:45.380 no, government, she couldn't say no.
00:03:47.800 She said government advertising
00:03:50.240 will continue as normal
00:03:51.840 in regards to government programs,
00:03:53.320 to me, which is just a thin-veiled response
00:03:56.080 of no, no, we can't commit
00:03:57.480 to nonpartisan advertising.
00:03:59.040 And the results in the Auditor General's reports
00:04:01.340 speak to that for two reasons specifically.
00:04:05.740 The first one is that when they did,
00:04:09.200 it was determined that when they did
00:04:10.500 the evaluation of the spending,
00:04:13.160 or I should say of the advertising,
00:04:15.480 they only evaluated campaigns over $500,000.
00:04:19.760 Now, if you're like me,
00:04:20.920 first you think, oh yeah, $500,000,
00:04:22.760 that's a reasonable threshold.
00:04:23.980 And in fact, if you look at it by the spending,
00:04:26.820 by the numbers, it's reasonable
00:04:27.920 because it's 70% of all the government spending.
00:04:30.380 So you think that's reasonable.
00:04:31.820 But then take a moment and think about
00:04:34.100 what you spend on your last Facebook ad.
00:04:37.160 And when you start to think about
00:04:39.040 just what, say for example, $5,000,
00:04:44.920 just as any number sort of pulled out of the air,
00:04:47.980 gets you in terms of advertising
00:04:49.700 and the share value that that gets you,
00:04:54.540 the eyes on content value that it gets you,
00:04:57.420 then all of a sudden, right,
00:04:59.400 you know, 30%,
00:05:00.780 30% of government spending dedicated
00:05:03.960 to campaigns less than $500,000,
00:05:07.260 all of a sudden starts to become
00:05:08.380 really, really significant.
00:05:09.700 If you think about all of these micro campaigns,
00:05:15.140 which as we've seen,
00:05:16.340 and I mean, this is in the media all over the place.
00:05:19.300 In fact, Google is back at ethics today,
00:05:21.240 having these types of conversations
00:05:23.480 about advertising related to elections
00:05:26.800 and to democratic institutions.
00:05:29.040 But, you know, this really tells you
00:05:30.680 that it was not properly evaluated
00:05:33.720 if only campaigns over $500,000 were used.
00:05:37.940 So great error in oversight.
00:05:41.440 That is definitely something significant.
00:05:45.640 And then it turns out that the organization
00:05:48.740 to which complaints were made
00:05:51.380 in regards to oversight
00:05:52.640 is a governmental organization.
00:05:55.320 It's not even an independent organization.
00:05:57.280 So those who are monitoring
00:05:58.740 and handling the complaints,
00:06:01.220 and this is something we have seen again,
00:06:03.460 at the House Procedures Committee
00:06:05.040 in my portfolio of democratic institutions,
00:06:10.560 is the government claiming
00:06:11.840 that things are independent,
00:06:13.400 that, you know, does the Senate come to mind,
00:06:15.420 Michael and Jamie, for example,
00:06:17.200 claiming that things are independent.
00:06:19.380 You know, for me, we've seen this again
00:06:21.000 in the supplementary estimates
00:06:22.020 with the debate commission,
00:06:23.660 you know, a process that was put in place
00:06:28.000 by the liberal government.
00:06:29.920 Oh, this is an area
00:06:30.960 that I struggle with all the time.
00:06:32.300 The commissioner himself,
00:06:33.640 the former governor general,
00:06:34.740 selected by our very own Stephen Harper,
00:06:37.620 but, you know, selected by the liberal government,
00:06:40.440 again, by the liberal government,
00:06:42.080 and then given a mandate through order and counsel.
00:06:44.460 Like, it's a common theme,
00:06:45.900 and we're seeing it here again
00:06:47.340 in regards to the evaluation of advertising
00:06:50.640 in the spring 2019 reports
00:06:53.000 of the Auditor General of Canada.
00:06:54.040 So, Jamie, you know, I'm not surprised
00:06:57.280 to see all of these failures
00:06:58.980 of the Trudeau government.
00:07:00.520 I'm not surprised to see this hypocrisy
00:07:03.720 in independence, in evaluation,
00:07:08.000 and I just, you know,
00:07:09.880 I really think it just speaks again
00:07:11.520 to the failure of Justin Trudeau
00:07:13.340 and his liberal government.
00:07:14.640 And I think taxpayers, again,
00:07:16.680 are taking the results.
00:07:19.740 They're being given the bill
00:07:21.420 for all of his failures.
00:07:22.580 So it's actually just one more,
00:07:24.260 and we'll segue into the F-35 fighter jets
00:07:26.960 that our Air Force desperately needs
00:07:29.180 some new plane.
00:07:31.840 And, Michael, you're a former military guy,
00:07:35.460 so you know a lot about this,
00:07:36.880 so we do appreciate it.
00:07:37.700 Thank you for your service, by the way.
00:07:39.040 Yeah, it was an honour.
00:07:40.700 And, you know, the F-35s
00:07:43.920 was a political issue
00:07:44.760 in the 2015 election.
00:07:46.740 Right.
00:07:46.960 Basically, the Liberals said
00:07:47.940 that was bad.
00:07:49.020 They were going to go
00:07:49.620 to a different route.
00:07:50.540 Obviously, that process got messed up.
00:07:52.500 They decided to buy old planes.
00:07:54.920 Yeah.
00:07:55.780 CF-15s from the Australians
00:07:57.560 for a capability gap we did not have.
00:08:01.000 So maybe you can just give
00:08:02.260 a quick explanation
00:08:03.060 about your thoughts
00:08:04.020 on this whole process
00:08:05.180 and another delay
00:08:06.420 in military procurement by...
00:08:08.780 by the government.
00:08:09.640 Yeah, and so military procurement
00:08:11.140 has been a tough file
00:08:13.940 for success of governments.
00:08:16.360 And I can tell you that,
00:08:17.920 you know, when I was serving,
00:08:19.800 my colleagues and brothers and sisters
00:08:23.180 in arms in the Air Force
00:08:24.060 were very excited
00:08:25.220 about the prospect
00:08:26.420 of flying the F-35.
00:08:28.460 Now, our allies are now flying...
00:08:30.100 That's right.
00:08:30.380 ...the F-35.
00:08:32.060 And when we committed
00:08:34.180 to that project
00:08:35.380 and we had put seed money
00:08:37.220 in on that project,
00:08:38.520 it was a sure thing
00:08:40.380 that these aircraft
00:08:41.940 were going to be delivered
00:08:42.640 and we'd be operating them.
00:08:43.580 It became a political football
00:08:44.780 in 2015,
00:08:46.160 and the Liberals committed
00:08:49.320 to scrapping that project
00:08:52.260 and having a new procurement plan.
00:08:55.500 Well, what that resulted in
00:08:57.140 is, as you mentioned,
00:08:58.300 a five...
00:08:59.580 You know,
00:09:00.060 they're spending $100 million
00:09:01.340 on aircraft older
00:09:03.160 than, you know,
00:09:04.360 most of the people
00:09:05.080 in this room right now.
00:09:06.440 And that is not going
00:09:07.560 to incentivize people
00:09:08.480 to join our Air Force.
00:09:09.360 That's not going to...
00:09:10.280 It's not going to close
00:09:12.300 the capability gap
00:09:13.720 because it closes a gap
00:09:15.240 that didn't exist.
00:09:17.600 And so what we've seen
00:09:18.760 with their new process,
00:09:20.140 and I'm not going
00:09:21.400 to use air quotes
00:09:22.000 because this isn't
00:09:23.760 a TV broadcast,
00:09:25.380 but, you know,
00:09:27.160 I'm using them.
00:09:28.600 That's a good play
00:09:29.280 on words, though, too,
00:09:30.060 Michael.
00:09:30.240 Well, air quotes.
00:09:30.860 Yes, air quotes.
00:09:35.200 They've really failed
00:09:36.740 to deliver,
00:09:37.420 and what they've done
00:09:38.080 is instituted
00:09:38.560 this wholly partisan project
00:09:41.240 that now excludes
00:09:42.580 Lockheed Martin's F-35,
00:09:44.280 which has put the Liberals
00:09:46.840 in a position
00:09:47.840 that they've continued
00:09:48.920 to put Canada in,
00:09:50.260 and that is at odds
00:09:52.160 with our allies.
00:09:53.220 And so now we have
00:09:54.100 the U.S. government,
00:09:55.340 the Trump administration,
00:09:56.460 who is obviously
00:09:57.580 very concerned
00:09:59.380 that we're excluding
00:10:00.780 Lockheed
00:10:01.580 and their newest generation
00:10:05.140 fighter jet
00:10:05.740 from being part
00:10:07.080 of this process.
00:10:08.260 So we're investing
00:10:09.480 all kinds of treasure
00:10:10.420 in these antiquated planes.
00:10:12.160 We're seeing all kinds
00:10:13.800 of people leaving
00:10:15.840 the Air Force
00:10:16.280 because they don't want
00:10:16.740 to fly on old aircraft.
00:10:18.060 And, you know,
00:10:19.560 Canadians should have confidence
00:10:21.080 in their military
00:10:22.080 because we have
00:10:23.240 the most selfless
00:10:25.180 and hardest working
00:10:27.500 friends, neighbors,
00:10:30.560 and relatives
00:10:31.840 who have committed
00:10:32.760 their lives
00:10:33.420 to serve our country
00:10:34.520 on offer
00:10:36.660 of unlimited liability.
00:10:37.900 the minimum
00:10:39.780 that we owe them
00:10:40.600 is the right equipment
00:10:42.720 to do the job.
00:10:44.380 And as the Auditor General...
00:10:45.620 I couldn't agree more, Michael.
00:10:46.820 Yeah, and as the Auditor General
00:10:48.420 laid out,
00:10:49.500 this process
00:10:50.620 is anything
00:10:51.200 but being done
00:10:52.040 in the best interest
00:10:53.180 of Canadians.
00:10:54.620 Well, it was the Liberals
00:10:55.440 who, way back in the 90s,
00:10:57.860 bought used subs
00:10:58.800 from the British
00:10:59.440 that had their problems.
00:11:02.120 Yeah, their problems
00:11:02.780 and tragic consequences
00:11:04.400 for buying refurbished kit.
00:11:08.400 And, you know,
00:11:09.240 in the military,
00:11:10.980 in Canada,
00:11:12.400 we often get used to,
00:11:14.140 you know,
00:11:14.980 doing more with less
00:11:16.300 and being an army guy,
00:11:17.940 we operated
00:11:18.660 in austere
00:11:19.600 working conditions.
00:11:21.540 There's not a whole lot
00:11:22.860 of margin for error
00:11:23.740 when you're, you know,
00:11:25.060 literally dealing
00:11:25.640 with life and death situations
00:11:26.740 and when we're
00:11:28.180 refurbishing ancient jets
00:11:29.800 just to satisfy
00:11:31.600 and scratch a political itch.
00:11:33.120 I can tell you
00:11:33.720 that this is,
00:11:34.980 it's really disappointing.
00:11:37.320 And, you know,
00:11:38.040 the Auditor General's report
00:11:40.040 is just,
00:11:40.600 it's just scathing.
00:11:42.640 And we've seen
00:11:43.940 that they're,
00:11:44.940 you know,
00:11:46.400 pretty transparently
00:11:47.400 stifling anyone
00:11:49.460 who is speaking out
00:11:50.460 in government
00:11:51.040 about their bungling
00:11:52.520 of the new procurement process.
00:11:55.780 And it's, you know,
00:11:56.780 the losers are the taxpayer.
00:11:58.900 The losers are men and women
00:12:00.560 of the Canadian forces.
00:12:02.660 And, you know what,
00:12:03.500 we're going to go
00:12:04.080 into another election cycle
00:12:05.440 with this government
00:12:06.320 patting itself on the back
00:12:07.500 for taking delivery
00:12:08.680 of less than a half dozen aircraft
00:12:10.820 that should be retired.
00:12:13.080 Yeah, absolutely.
00:12:13.820 And I think, again,
00:12:14.840 with your comments
00:12:16.000 and Stephanie's comments,
00:12:17.100 it just seems to be
00:12:18.260 one failure after another.
00:12:19.780 Taxpayers are getting
00:12:20.620 the bill for this.
00:12:21.820 And our military
00:12:23.160 doesn't seem to be
00:12:24.580 getting any stronger.
00:12:25.640 I think I would agree
00:12:28.180 with you
00:12:28.700 that during the election
00:12:30.460 it became a political football,
00:12:32.420 unfortunately.
00:12:33.500 And to your comments,
00:12:35.440 the men and women
00:12:36.020 in uniform
00:12:36.420 are suffering
00:12:37.200 because of it,
00:12:38.060 because they are getting
00:12:38.900 less than stellar equipment.
00:12:41.920 Meanwhile,
00:12:42.480 our friends and allies,
00:12:45.060 Italy,
00:12:46.280 Israel,
00:12:47.020 the United States,
00:12:47.960 many others,
00:12:48.660 are flying the F-35s.
00:12:49.960 Right.
00:12:50.500 And we should have
00:12:51.700 interoperability
00:12:53.100 with all of our allies,
00:12:55.500 all of our NATO partners,
00:12:56.620 but certainly
00:12:57.100 with the United States.
00:12:58.300 You know,
00:12:58.460 we protect the same skies
00:13:00.440 and we share opportunities,
00:13:03.280 but we also share exposure
00:13:05.520 to the same threats.
00:13:06.700 We also have
00:13:07.180 a very vast country
00:13:08.540 and so we depend
00:13:09.820 very heavily
00:13:10.560 on our air force
00:13:11.800 to do a lot of,
00:13:13.740 you know,
00:13:13.980 the heavy lifting
00:13:14.540 as far as patrolling
00:13:15.320 our country
00:13:15.800 and protecting us.
00:13:17.180 So to just,
00:13:19.960 you know,
00:13:20.440 raise the partisan
00:13:21.980 liberal flag on this
00:13:23.720 and just say,
00:13:24.080 you know what,
00:13:24.340 we're not going to move
00:13:25.280 ahead with this
00:13:25.840 and then to go
00:13:26.700 one step further
00:13:27.520 and now that this plane
00:13:29.480 is ready for delivery
00:13:30.760 to not permit Lockheed
00:13:33.400 to participate
00:13:33.940 in the competition.
00:13:34.860 It's just plainly partisan.
00:13:36.940 It's pure political gamesmanship
00:13:39.460 and it's the,
00:13:41.080 like I said,
00:13:41.540 the real losers
00:13:42.040 are Canadians.
00:13:43.240 Well,
00:13:43.440 hopefully Canadians
00:13:44.080 will make their voices
00:13:46.140 known on October 21st
00:13:47.580 and as an election
00:13:48.240 comes up,
00:13:48.780 Stephanie,
00:13:49.000 as the critic
00:13:50.300 for democratic institutions.
00:13:52.620 You know,
00:13:53.180 we talked about
00:13:53.720 the legislation
00:13:54.380 that was passed
00:13:55.220 regarding our elections.
00:13:57.420 How do you see
00:13:58.040 this playing out
00:13:58.620 being that,
00:13:59.320 you know,
00:13:59.780 the government
00:14:00.760 almost put opposition parties
00:14:02.040 at a bit of a disadvantage
00:14:03.080 going into
00:14:03.900 the upcoming election?
00:14:05.840 Well,
00:14:06.040 they've absolutely
00:14:06.660 put opposition parties
00:14:08.600 at a disadvantage
00:14:10.140 from the get-go.
00:14:11.480 I mean,
00:14:11.760 you look for,
00:14:13.000 for example,
00:14:13.980 the expenditure
00:14:16.840 caps now,
00:14:20.520 which weren't in place
00:14:21.800 before.
00:14:22.360 I mean,
00:14:22.900 that's another mechanism
00:14:24.460 by which the government
00:14:25.420 is trying to
00:14:26.940 silence opposition.
00:14:29.360 And I mean,
00:14:29.920 this shouldn't be
00:14:30.360 a surprise here
00:14:31.100 with what we've seen,
00:14:32.640 you know,
00:14:32.860 even this week alone
00:14:33.800 with the Admiral case
00:14:35.700 as well as SNC-Lavalin.
00:14:37.760 I mean,
00:14:38.020 just continuous
00:14:39.140 poor judgment
00:14:39.940 of this prime minister,
00:14:41.220 clearly not as advertised.
00:14:42.460 But that's just one example.
00:14:44.880 The expenditures,
00:14:46.180 they have shown
00:14:47.460 that they have not
00:14:48.920 given good thought
00:14:50.200 to how they will
00:14:51.280 protect this election
00:14:53.240 from foreign interference
00:14:55.140 in both a cyber security
00:14:57.980 perspective.
00:14:59.400 We're very critical
00:15:01.320 of the critical incident
00:15:02.720 protocol
00:15:03.760 and the impartiality
00:15:06.740 of this critical
00:15:08.680 protocol group as well,
00:15:10.180 which in fact
00:15:10.700 was served to be credible.
00:15:12.460 when the head of,
00:15:14.020 when the,
00:15:14.440 I should say,
00:15:14.820 the previous head
00:15:15.500 of the protocol group,
00:15:17.000 the former clerk
00:15:18.340 of the Privy Council,
00:15:19.400 in fact,
00:15:19.760 took early retirement
00:15:20.740 based upon his testimony
00:15:22.560 with the SNC-Lavalin case,
00:15:24.880 but not only in regards
00:15:25.780 to cyber security,
00:15:27.440 but in regards
00:15:28.300 to foreign funding,
00:15:29.980 foreign third party spending,
00:15:31.380 which is something
00:15:31.960 which was just
00:15:32.640 all over the place
00:15:33.800 in 2015.
00:15:36.420 They did not put
00:15:37.440 the mechanisms in place
00:15:38.620 to ensure
00:15:39.200 that this will not happen
00:15:40.380 in 2019.
00:15:43.000 Outside of the writ
00:15:44.060 and pre-writ,
00:15:44.840 it is still open season
00:15:46.960 for foreign organizations,
00:15:50.540 be it corporations,
00:15:51.760 be it funds
00:15:53.120 that want to slush money
00:15:55.000 into organizations
00:15:55.900 that have interests
00:15:57.760 in Canada,
00:15:59.180 interest against Canada's
00:16:00.700 own national interests.
00:16:02.060 in fact,
00:16:03.300 and, you know,
00:16:03.900 we provided
00:16:04.840 over 200 amendments
00:16:06.480 in an effort
00:16:07.600 to solidify Bill C-76
00:16:10.220 to really make it
00:16:11.180 a tool for the people
00:16:12.120 of Canada,
00:16:12.840 and they just,
00:16:13.780 they failed time and time,
00:16:15.040 the liberals failed
00:16:15.620 time and time again
00:16:16.500 by not,
00:16:17.120 by implementing
00:16:17.740 just a handful
00:16:18.480 of these amendments,
00:16:20.200 and we saw that
00:16:21.100 with cyber security,
00:16:22.300 and as I said,
00:16:23.100 Google is at,
00:16:24.580 is at ethics again,
00:16:26.280 again,
00:16:26.980 I say again
00:16:27.480 because they appeared
00:16:28.120 in, I believe,
00:16:28.700 it was November of 2018,
00:16:30.120 but they are appearing
00:16:31.740 at ethics again
00:16:32.320 to say why
00:16:32.980 they cannot comply
00:16:34.140 with the legislation
00:16:35.140 that was passed
00:16:35.940 in Bill C-276,
00:16:38.080 and yet they're able,
00:16:38.980 the strange thing is
00:16:39.560 yet they're able
00:16:40.020 to comply
00:16:40.620 in the United States,
00:16:43.420 the same format
00:16:46.780 by Google
00:16:47.360 is also expected
00:16:48.240 to be implemented
00:16:49.220 in the United Kingdom,
00:16:50.620 so what due diligence
00:16:51.920 did the liberal government,
00:16:53.200 did the Canadian government
00:16:54.140 not do
00:16:54.860 that Google can comply
00:16:56.420 in the United States
00:16:57.320 of America
00:16:57.760 in regards to their
00:16:58.600 electoral system,
00:16:59.420 but not ours,
00:17:00.480 and I've only touched
00:17:01.620 upon it, Jamie,
00:17:02.420 the errors of Bill 76
00:17:04.200 and how hard it makes,
00:17:07.360 Bill C-76 makes it
00:17:09.260 to have an election
00:17:11.920 that is without interference
00:17:14.340 and with the benefit,
00:17:16.540 or I should say
00:17:17.140 the benefit
00:17:19.680 or the assurance
00:17:21.140 that Canadians
00:17:22.380 will truly have
00:17:24.040 an election
00:17:25.260 which is without
00:17:27.180 partisanship
00:17:28.500 and which is without
00:17:29.800 the possibility
00:17:30.500 of interference.
00:17:31.840 Well, thank you both
00:17:32.520 for coming.
00:17:33.340 I do appreciate the time.
00:17:34.880 Very detailed topics,
00:17:36.680 and hopefully we'll have you
00:17:37.620 back again to talk more.
00:17:38.920 So thank you very much,
00:17:39.840 Stephanie Cousy,
00:17:40.840 Member of Parliament
00:17:41.400 for Calgary,
00:17:42.040 Mindipour,
00:17:42.480 also our Democratic
00:17:43.380 Institutions critic,
00:17:44.740 and Michael Barrett,
00:17:46.260 the by-election winner
00:17:47.160 just recently,
00:17:48.280 and thank you again
00:17:48.980 for your service,
00:17:49.660 the Member of Parliament
00:17:50.480 for Leeds,
00:17:51.400 Grenville,
00:17:51.800 Thousand Islands,
00:17:52.760 Rideau Lakes.
00:17:53.480 I'm your host,
00:17:54.100 Jamie Schmail.
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