The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - Spring 2019 Reports of the Auditor General of Canada

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00:00:40.060 This is The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.

00:00:43.340 I'm Jamie Schmael, your host.

00:00:45.360 This week, our topic is the Auditor General's Report.

00:00:49.560 Joining me this week is Michael Barrett.

00:00:51.660 He's the MP from Leeds-Grenville, Thousand Island, Rideau Lakes,

00:00:54.980 right here in Ontario.

00:00:56.240 And Stephanie Cusey, the Democratic Institutions critic

00:01:00.380 and the MP for Calgary, Mindipour.

00:01:02.320 Thank you both for joining us.

00:01:04.040 Thanks for having me.

00:01:04.960 Thank you so much for having us, Jamie.

00:01:06.400 We have a lot to talk about because the Auditor General's report

00:01:09.300 was not friendly at all to the Liberals,

00:01:11.540 and it just shows, in my opinion, one dumpster fire after another.

00:01:14.520 And actually, I think John Iveson said the exact same thing

00:01:16.680 in the National Post.

00:01:18.120 So maybe, Stephanie, you can just give us a quick update

00:01:21.720 on what the Auditor General said in a few key areas,

00:01:25.300 and we can go from there.

00:01:27.300 Sure.

00:01:27.660 Well, thanks, Jamie.

00:01:28.380 You know, I always look forward to these Auditor General reports

00:01:31.740 because they never disappoint.

00:01:33.200 They never disappoint in that they continue to point out

00:01:36.240 the failure of this Liberal government

00:01:38.560 and the failure of Prime Minister Trudeau.

00:01:41.100 And this spring 2019 report was no exception at all.

00:01:45.860 I mean, it evaluated a number of areas,

00:01:48.660 including call centers, asylum seekers, e-commerce, RCMP equipment,

00:01:55.520 as well as political advertising,

00:01:57.740 an area that's very relevant to my area of Democratic institutions.

00:02:01.900 And really, Jamie, what we saw was failure after failure

00:02:05.660 after failure after failure, which is no surprise.

00:02:08.920 And, you know, before we talk a little bit further,

00:02:11.220 I just want to give a kudos to our team

00:02:13.180 that I think always does a fantastic job

00:02:15.720 of holding this Liberal government to account

00:02:17.780 in all of the committees.

00:02:19.160 You know, I've had the good fortune

00:02:20.260 to do these evaluations before in public estimates,

00:02:25.200 in particular on the consular report

00:02:28.160 in the last round of the Auditor General reports.

00:02:30.620 And so I really always appreciate the opportunity

00:02:33.560 for our caucus through this process

00:02:36.660 and through these committees to critically evaluate this area,

00:02:39.960 these areas where consistently we see all of these fails.

00:02:43.840 But as I mentioned, Jamie, for me specifically,

00:02:46.660 this time, in regards to the portfolio of Democratic institutions,

00:02:52.540 was the evaluation of nonpartisan advertising

00:02:57.240 with the federal government.

00:02:58.780 And Jamie, you know, before we get into the results,

00:03:01.100 I want to point out that this is something

00:03:03.460 that I specifically questioned

00:03:05.980 the Minister of Democratic Institutions,

00:03:09.440 Karina Gold, Karina Gold,

00:03:10.580 who will be hosting Politics and the Pen

00:03:13.040 with our own Erin O'Toole this coming Wednesday. 0.80

00:03:15.740 But I specifically questioned her

00:03:17.680 when she came to our committee

00:03:18.900 as to during the Bill C-76,

00:03:22.320 of course, the Electoral Reform Bill,

00:03:23.980 which was just passed in December

00:03:27.200 and will come into effect this June 13th.

00:03:30.940 Hold on to your hats, everybody.

00:03:33.360 I questioned her about specifically,

00:03:36.060 will, can you commit that the government

00:03:38.480 will not do any partisan advertising?

00:03:42.160 And her response was very flat out,

00:03:45.380 no, government, she couldn't say no.

00:03:47.800 She said government advertising

00:03:50.240 will continue as normal

00:03:51.840 in regards to government programs,

00:03:53.320 to me, which is just a thin-veiled response

00:03:56.080 of no, no, we can't commit

00:03:57.480 to nonpartisan advertising.

00:03:59.040 And the results in the Auditor General's reports

00:04:01.340 speak to that for two reasons specifically.

00:04:05.740 The first one is that when they did,

00:04:09.200 it was determined that when they did

00:04:10.500 the evaluation of the spending,

00:04:13.160 or I should say of the advertising,

00:04:15.480 they only evaluated campaigns over $500,000.

00:04:19.760 Now, if you're like me,

00:04:20.920 first you think, oh yeah, $500,000,

00:04:22.760 that's a reasonable threshold.

00:04:23.980 And in fact, if you look at it by the spending,

00:04:26.820 by the numbers, it's reasonable

00:04:27.920 because it's 70% of all the government spending.

00:04:30.380 So you think that's reasonable.

00:04:31.820 But then take a moment and think about

00:04:34.100 what you spend on your last Facebook ad.

00:04:37.160 And when you start to think about

00:04:39.040 just what, say for example, $5,000,

00:04:44.920 just as any number sort of pulled out of the air,

00:04:47.980 gets you in terms of advertising

00:04:49.700 and the share value that that gets you,

00:04:54.540 the eyes on content value that it gets you,

00:04:57.420 then all of a sudden, right,

00:04:59.400 you know, 30%,

00:05:00.780 30% of government spending dedicated

00:05:03.960 to campaigns less than $500,000,

00:05:07.260 all of a sudden starts to become

00:05:08.380 really, really significant.

00:05:09.700 If you think about all of these micro campaigns,

00:05:15.140 which as we've seen,

00:05:16.340 and I mean, this is in the media all over the place.

00:05:19.300 In fact, Google is back at ethics today,

00:05:21.240 having these types of conversations

00:05:23.480 about advertising related to elections

00:05:26.800 and to democratic institutions.

00:05:29.040 But, you know, this really tells you

00:05:30.680 that it was not properly evaluated

00:05:33.720 if only campaigns over $500,000 were used.

00:05:37.940 So great error in oversight.

00:05:41.440 That is definitely something significant.

00:05:45.640 And then it turns out that the organization

00:05:48.740 to which complaints were made

00:05:51.380 in regards to oversight

00:05:52.640 is a governmental organization.

00:05:55.320 It's not even an independent organization.

00:05:57.280 So those who are monitoring

00:05:58.740 and handling the complaints,

00:06:01.220 and this is something we have seen again,

00:06:03.460 at the House Procedures Committee

00:06:05.040 in my portfolio of democratic institutions,

00:06:10.560 is the government claiming

00:06:11.840 that things are independent,

00:06:13.400 that, you know, does the Senate come to mind,

00:06:15.420 Michael and Jamie, for example,

00:06:17.200 claiming that things are independent.

00:06:19.380 You know, for me, we've seen this again

00:06:21.000 in the supplementary estimates

00:06:22.020 with the debate commission,

00:06:23.660 you know, a process that was put in place

00:06:28.000 by the liberal government.

00:06:29.920 Oh, this is an area

00:06:30.960 that I struggle with all the time.

00:06:32.300 The commissioner himself,

00:06:33.640 the former governor general,

00:06:34.740 selected by our very own Stephen Harper,

00:06:37.620 but, you know, selected by the liberal government,

00:06:40.440 again, by the liberal government,

00:06:42.080 and then given a mandate through order and counsel.

00:06:44.460 Like, it's a common theme,

00:06:45.900 and we're seeing it here again

00:06:47.340 in regards to the evaluation of advertising

00:06:50.640 in the spring 2019 reports

00:06:53.000 of the Auditor General of Canada.

00:06:54.040 So, Jamie, you know, I'm not surprised

00:06:57.280 to see all of these failures

00:06:58.980 of the Trudeau government. 0.90

00:07:00.520 I'm not surprised to see this hypocrisy

00:07:03.720 in independence, in evaluation,

00:07:08.000 and I just, you know,

00:07:09.880 I really think it just speaks again

00:07:11.520 to the failure of Justin Trudeau

00:07:13.340 and his liberal government.

00:07:14.640 And I think taxpayers, again,

00:07:16.680 are taking the results.

00:07:19.740 They're being given the bill

00:07:21.420 for all of his failures.

00:07:22.580 So it's actually just one more,

00:07:24.260 and we'll segue into the F-35 fighter jets

00:07:26.960 that our Air Force desperately needs

00:07:29.180 some new plane.

00:07:31.840 And, Michael, you're a former military guy,

00:07:35.460 so you know a lot about this,

00:07:36.880 so we do appreciate it.

00:07:37.700 Thank you for your service, by the way.

00:07:39.040 Yeah, it was an honour.

00:07:40.700 And, you know, the F-35s

00:07:43.920 was a political issue

00:07:44.760 in the 2015 election.

00:07:46.740 Right.

00:07:46.960 Basically, the Liberals said

00:07:47.940 that was bad.

00:07:49.020 They were going to go

00:07:49.620 to a different route.

00:07:50.540 Obviously, that process got messed up.

00:07:52.500 They decided to buy old planes.

00:07:54.920 Yeah.

00:07:55.780 CF-15s from the Australians 1.00

00:07:57.560 for a capability gap we did not have.

00:08:01.000 So maybe you can just give

00:08:02.260 a quick explanation

00:08:03.060 about your thoughts

00:08:04.020 on this whole process

00:08:05.180 and another delay

00:08:06.420 in military procurement by...

00:08:08.780 by the government.

00:08:09.640 Yeah, and so military procurement

00:08:11.140 has been a tough file

00:08:13.940 for success of governments.

00:08:16.360 And I can tell you that,

00:08:17.920 you know, when I was serving,

00:08:19.800 my colleagues and brothers and sisters

00:08:23.180 in arms in the Air Force

00:08:24.060 were very excited

00:08:25.220 about the prospect

00:08:26.420 of flying the F-35.

00:08:28.460 Now, our allies are now flying...

00:08:30.100 That's right.

00:08:30.380 ...the F-35.

00:08:32.060 And when we committed

00:08:34.180 to that project

00:08:35.380 and we had put seed money

00:08:37.220 in on that project,

00:08:38.520 it was a sure thing

00:08:40.380 that these aircraft

00:08:41.940 were going to be delivered

00:08:42.640 and we'd be operating them.

00:08:43.580 It became a political football

00:08:44.780 in 2015,

00:08:46.160 and the Liberals committed

00:08:49.320 to scrapping that project

00:08:52.260 and having a new procurement plan.

00:08:55.500 Well, what that resulted in

00:08:57.140 is, as you mentioned,

00:08:58.300 a five...

00:08:59.580 You know,

00:09:00.060 they're spending $100 million

00:09:01.340 on aircraft older

00:09:03.160 than, you know,

00:09:04.360 most of the people

00:09:05.080 in this room right now.

00:09:06.440 And that is not going

00:09:07.560 to incentivize people

00:09:08.480 to join our Air Force.

00:09:09.360 That's not going to...

00:09:10.280 It's not going to close

00:09:12.300 the capability gap

00:09:13.720 because it closes a gap

00:09:15.240 that didn't exist.

00:09:17.600 And so what we've seen

00:09:18.760 with their new process,

00:09:20.140 and I'm not going

00:09:21.400 to use air quotes

00:09:22.000 because this isn't

00:09:23.760 a TV broadcast,

00:09:25.380 but, you know,

00:09:27.160 I'm using them.

00:09:28.600 That's a good play

00:09:29.280 on words, though, too,

00:09:30.060 Michael.

00:09:30.240 Well, air quotes.

00:09:30.860 Yes, air quotes.

00:09:35.200 They've really failed

00:09:36.740 to deliver,

00:09:37.420 and what they've done

00:09:38.080 is instituted

00:09:38.560 this wholly partisan project

00:09:41.240 that now excludes

00:09:42.580 Lockheed Martin's F-35,

00:09:44.280 which has put the Liberals

00:09:46.840 in a position

00:09:47.840 that they've continued

00:09:48.920 to put Canada in,

00:09:50.260 and that is at odds

00:09:52.160 with our allies.

00:09:53.220 And so now we have

00:09:54.100 the U.S. government,

00:09:55.340 the Trump administration,

00:09:56.460 who is obviously

00:09:57.580 very concerned

00:09:59.380 that we're excluding

00:10:00.780 Lockheed

00:10:01.580 and their newest generation

00:10:05.140 fighter jet

00:10:05.740 from being part

00:10:07.080 of this process.

00:10:08.260 So we're investing

00:10:09.480 all kinds of treasure

00:10:10.420 in these antiquated planes.

00:10:12.160 We're seeing all kinds

00:10:13.800 of people leaving

00:10:15.840 the Air Force

00:10:16.280 because they don't want

00:10:16.740 to fly on old aircraft.

00:10:18.060 And, you know,

00:10:19.560 Canadians should have confidence

00:10:21.080 in their military

00:10:22.080 because we have

00:10:23.240 the most selfless

00:10:25.180 and hardest working

00:10:27.500 friends, neighbors,

00:10:30.560 and relatives

00:10:31.840 who have committed

00:10:32.760 their lives

00:10:33.420 to serve our country

00:10:34.520 on offer

00:10:36.660 of unlimited liability.

00:10:37.900 the minimum

00:10:39.780 that we owe them

00:10:40.600 is the right equipment

00:10:42.720 to do the job.

00:10:44.380 And as the Auditor General...

00:10:45.620 I couldn't agree more, Michael.

00:10:46.820 Yeah, and as the Auditor General

00:10:48.420 laid out,

00:10:49.500 this process

00:10:50.620 is anything

00:10:51.200 but being done

00:10:52.040 in the best interest

00:10:53.180 of Canadians.

00:10:54.620 Well, it was the Liberals

00:10:55.440 who, way back in the 90s,

00:10:57.860 bought used subs

00:10:58.800 from the British

00:10:59.440 that had their problems. 0.61

00:11:02.120 Yeah, their problems

00:11:02.780 and tragic consequences

00:11:04.400 for buying refurbished kit.

00:11:08.400 And, you know,

00:11:09.240 in the military,

00:11:10.980 in Canada,

00:11:12.400 we often get used to,

00:11:14.140 you know,

00:11:14.980 doing more with less

00:11:16.300 and being an army guy,

00:11:17.940 we operated

00:11:18.660 in austere

00:11:19.600 working conditions.

00:11:21.540 There's not a whole lot

00:11:22.860 of margin for error

00:11:23.740 when you're, you know,

00:11:25.060 literally dealing

00:11:25.640 with life and death situations

00:11:26.740 and when we're

00:11:28.180 refurbishing ancient jets

00:11:29.800 just to satisfy

00:11:31.600 and scratch a political itch.

00:11:33.120 I can tell you

00:11:33.720 that this is,

00:11:34.980 it's really disappointing.

00:11:37.320 And, you know,

00:11:38.040 the Auditor General's report

00:11:40.040 is just,

00:11:40.600 it's just scathing.

00:11:42.640 And we've seen

00:11:43.940 that they're,

00:11:44.940 you know,

00:11:46.400 pretty transparently

00:11:47.400 stifling anyone

00:11:49.460 who is speaking out

00:11:50.460 in government

00:11:51.040 about their bungling

00:11:52.520 of the new procurement process.

00:11:55.780 And it's, you know, 0.90

00:11:56.780 the losers are the taxpayer. 0.91

00:11:58.900 The losers are men and women 1.00

00:12:00.560 of the Canadian forces. 0.98

00:12:02.660 And, you know what,

00:12:03.500 we're going to go

00:12:04.080 into another election cycle

00:12:05.440 with this government

00:12:06.320 patting itself on the back

00:12:07.500 for taking delivery

00:12:08.680 of less than a half dozen aircraft

00:12:10.820 that should be retired.

00:12:13.080 Yeah, absolutely.

00:12:13.820 And I think, again,

00:12:14.840 with your comments

00:12:16.000 and Stephanie's comments,

00:12:17.100 it just seems to be

00:12:18.260 one failure after another.

00:12:19.780 Taxpayers are getting

00:12:20.620 the bill for this.

00:12:21.820 And our military

00:12:23.160 doesn't seem to be

00:12:24.580 getting any stronger.

00:12:25.640 I think I would agree

00:12:28.180 with you

00:12:28.700 that during the election

00:12:30.460 it became a political football,

00:12:32.420 unfortunately.

00:12:33.500 And to your comments,

00:12:35.440 the men and women

00:12:36.020 in uniform

00:12:36.420 are suffering

00:12:37.200 because of it,

00:12:38.060 because they are getting

00:12:38.900 less than stellar equipment.

00:12:41.920 Meanwhile,

00:12:42.480 our friends and allies,

00:12:45.060 Italy,

00:12:46.280 Israel,

00:12:47.020 the United States,

00:12:47.960 many others,

00:12:48.660 are flying the F-35s.

00:12:49.960 Right.

00:12:50.500 And we should have

00:12:51.700 interoperability

00:12:53.100 with all of our allies,

00:12:55.500 all of our NATO partners,

00:12:56.620 but certainly

00:12:57.100 with the United States.

00:12:58.300 You know,

00:12:58.460 we protect the same skies

00:13:00.440 and we share opportunities,

00:13:03.280 but we also share exposure

00:13:05.520 to the same threats.

00:13:06.700 We also have

00:13:07.180 a very vast country

00:13:08.540 and so we depend

00:13:09.820 very heavily

00:13:10.560 on our air force

00:13:11.800 to do a lot of,

00:13:13.740 you know,

00:13:13.980 the heavy lifting

00:13:14.540 as far as patrolling

00:13:15.320 our country

00:13:15.800 and protecting us.

00:13:17.180 So to just,

00:13:19.960 you know,

00:13:20.440 raise the partisan

00:13:21.980 liberal flag on this

00:13:23.720 and just say,

00:13:24.080 you know what,

00:13:24.340 we're not going to move

00:13:25.280 ahead with this

00:13:25.840 and then to go

00:13:26.700 one step further

00:13:27.520 and now that this plane

00:13:29.480 is ready for delivery

00:13:30.760 to not permit Lockheed

00:13:33.400 to participate

00:13:33.940 in the competition.

00:13:34.860 It's just plainly partisan.

00:13:36.940 It's pure political gamesmanship

00:13:39.460 and it's the,

00:13:41.080 like I said, 0.99

00:13:41.540 the real losers 1.00

00:13:42.040 are Canadians. 1.00

00:13:43.240 Well,

00:13:43.440 hopefully Canadians

00:13:44.080 will make their voices

00:13:46.140 known on October 21st

00:13:47.580 and as an election

00:13:48.240 comes up,

00:13:48.780 Stephanie,

00:13:49.000 as the critic

00:13:50.300 for democratic institutions.

00:13:52.620 You know,

00:13:53.180 we talked about

00:13:53.720 the legislation

00:13:54.380 that was passed

00:13:55.220 regarding our elections.

00:13:57.420 How do you see

00:13:58.040 this playing out

00:13:58.620 being that,

00:13:59.320 you know,

00:13:59.780 the government

00:14:00.760 almost put opposition parties

00:14:02.040 at a bit of a disadvantage

00:14:03.080 going into

00:14:03.900 the upcoming election?

00:14:05.840 Well,

00:14:06.040 they've absolutely

00:14:06.660 put opposition parties

00:14:08.600 at a disadvantage

00:14:10.140 from the get-go.

00:14:11.480 I mean,

00:14:11.760 you look for,

00:14:13.000 for example,

00:14:13.980 the expenditure

00:14:16.840 caps now,

00:14:20.520 which weren't in place

00:14:21.800 before.

00:14:22.360 I mean,

00:14:22.900 that's another mechanism

00:14:24.460 by which the government

00:14:25.420 is trying to

00:14:26.940 silence opposition.

00:14:29.360 And I mean,

00:14:29.920 this shouldn't be

00:14:30.360 a surprise here

00:14:31.100 with what we've seen,

00:14:32.640 you know,

00:14:32.860 even this week alone

00:14:33.800 with the Admiral case

00:14:35.700 as well as SNC-Lavalin.

00:14:37.760 I mean,

00:14:38.020 just continuous

00:14:39.140 poor judgment

00:14:39.940 of this prime minister,

00:14:41.220 clearly not as advertised.

00:14:42.460 But that's just one example.

00:14:44.880 The expenditures,

00:14:46.180 they have shown

00:14:47.460 that they have not

00:14:48.920 given good thought

00:14:50.200 to how they will

00:14:51.280 protect this election

00:14:53.240 from foreign interference

00:14:55.140 in both a cyber security

00:14:57.980 perspective.

00:14:59.400 We're very critical

00:15:01.320 of the critical incident

00:15:02.720 protocol

00:15:03.760 and the impartiality

00:15:06.740 of this critical

00:15:08.680 protocol group as well,

00:15:10.180 which in fact

00:15:10.700 was served to be credible.

00:15:12.460 when the head of,

00:15:14.020 when the,

00:15:14.440 I should say,

00:15:14.820 the previous head

00:15:15.500 of the protocol group,

00:15:17.000 the former clerk

00:15:18.340 of the Privy Council,

00:15:19.400 in fact,

00:15:19.760 took early retirement

00:15:20.740 based upon his testimony

00:15:22.560 with the SNC-Lavalin case,

00:15:24.880 but not only in regards

00:15:25.780 to cyber security,

00:15:27.440 but in regards

00:15:28.300 to foreign funding,

00:15:29.980 foreign third party spending,

00:15:31.380 which is something

00:15:31.960 which was just

00:15:32.640 all over the place

00:15:33.800 in 2015.

00:15:36.420 They did not put

00:15:37.440 the mechanisms in place

00:15:38.620 to ensure

00:15:39.200 that this will not happen

00:15:40.380 in 2019.

00:15:43.000 Outside of the writ

00:15:44.060 and pre-writ,

00:15:44.840 it is still open season

00:15:46.960 for foreign organizations,

00:15:50.540 be it corporations,

00:15:51.760 be it funds

00:15:53.120 that want to slush money

00:15:55.000 into organizations

00:15:55.900 that have interests

00:15:57.760 in Canada,

00:15:59.180 interest against Canada's

00:16:00.700 own national interests.

00:16:02.060 in fact,

00:16:03.300 and, you know,

00:16:03.900 we provided

00:16:04.840 over 200 amendments

00:16:06.480 in an effort

00:16:07.600 to solidify Bill C-76

00:16:10.220 to really make it

00:16:11.180 a tool for the people

00:16:12.120 of Canada,

00:16:12.840 and they just,

00:16:13.780 they failed time and time,

00:16:15.040 the liberals failed

00:16:15.620 time and time again

00:16:16.500 by not,

00:16:17.120 by implementing

00:16:17.740 just a handful

00:16:18.480 of these amendments,

00:16:20.200 and we saw that

00:16:21.100 with cyber security,

00:16:22.300 and as I said,

00:16:23.100 Google is at,

00:16:24.580 is at ethics again,

00:16:26.280 again,

00:16:26.980 I say again

00:16:27.480 because they appeared

00:16:28.120 in, I believe,

00:16:28.700 it was November of 2018,

00:16:30.120 but they are appearing

00:16:31.740 at ethics again

00:16:32.320 to say why

00:16:32.980 they cannot comply

00:16:34.140 with the legislation

00:16:35.140 that was passed

00:16:35.940 in Bill C-276,

00:16:38.080 and yet they're able,

00:16:38.980 the strange thing is

00:16:39.560 yet they're able

00:16:40.020 to comply

00:16:40.620 in the United States,

00:16:43.420 the same format

00:16:46.780 by Google

00:16:47.360 is also expected

00:16:48.240 to be implemented

00:16:49.220 in the United Kingdom,

00:16:50.620 so what due diligence

00:16:51.920 did the liberal government,

00:16:53.200 did the Canadian government

00:16:54.140 not do

00:16:54.860 that Google can comply

00:16:56.420 in the United States

00:16:57.320 of America

00:16:57.760 in regards to their

00:16:58.600 electoral system,

00:16:59.420 but not ours,

00:17:00.480 and I've only touched

00:17:01.620 upon it, Jamie,

00:17:02.420 the errors of Bill 76

00:17:04.200 and how hard it makes,

00:17:07.360 Bill C-76 makes it

00:17:09.260 to have an election

00:17:11.920 that is without interference

00:17:14.340 and with the benefit,

00:17:16.540 or I should say

00:17:17.140 the benefit

00:17:19.680 or the assurance

00:17:21.140 that Canadians

00:17:22.380 will truly have

00:17:24.040 an election

00:17:25.260 which is without

00:17:27.180 partisanship

00:17:28.500 and which is without

00:17:29.800 the possibility

00:17:30.500 of interference.

00:17:31.840 Well, thank you both

00:17:32.520 for coming.

00:17:33.340 I do appreciate the time.

00:17:34.880 Very detailed topics,

00:17:36.680 and hopefully we'll have you

00:17:37.620 back again to talk more.

00:17:38.920 So thank you very much,

00:17:39.840 Stephanie Cousy,

00:17:40.840 Member of Parliament

00:17:41.400 for Calgary,

00:17:42.040 Mindipour,

00:17:42.480 also our Democratic

00:17:43.380 Institutions critic,

00:17:44.740 and Michael Barrett,

00:17:46.260 the by-election winner

00:17:47.160 just recently,

00:17:48.280 and thank you again

00:17:48.980 for your service,

00:17:49.660 the Member of Parliament

00:17:50.480 for Leeds,

00:17:51.400 Grenville,

00:17:51.800 Thousand Islands,

00:17:52.760 Rideau Lakes.

00:17:53.480 I'm your host,

00:17:54.100 Jamie Schmail.

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - May 30, 2019

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