The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome once again to the blueprint it is canada's conservative podcast i'm your host

00:00:12.020 jamie schmale member of parliament for caliber and for the likes brock we really appreciate you

00:00:16.560 showing up today for this episode because we have new content every single tuesday 1 30 p.m

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00:00:33.580 download it and listen to it later on on platforms like cast box itunes google play spotify you name

00:00:38.440 it it is out there and a great guest a great friend of the show today we have candace bergen the deputy

00:00:44.040 leader also the member of parliament for portage port portage lisgar i can't believe i messed that

00:00:49.440 up we appreciate you coming on the show thanks jamie and here in southern manitoba we just call

00:00:54.580 it portage lisgar so it's pretty easy uh might be a little flat doesn't have the uh the ontario accent

00:01:01.440 but that's where i'm from i'm very proud to be uh the mp for portage lisgar i i've said your writing

00:01:07.480 name a million times and i can't believe i just messed it up of course this happens on live

00:01:11.780 programming all the time let's talk about the budget because i think that's what we're talking

00:01:16.060 about a lot lately and canadians are looking over this massive document over 700 pages and as

00:01:21.480 don martin from ctv is saying it is a super spreader of spending well and i think it has to

00:01:28.420 be taken into the context of this liberal government's approach overall i mean let's begin

00:01:34.040 when trudeau was elected and he promised just a wee tiny little deficit of 10 billion dollars

00:01:39.980 and then he threw that out the window within a month or two and it quickly ballooned when times

00:01:46.580 were good when we did not have covid when we had growth in the economy he ballooned the deficit to

00:01:52.820 over 50 billion dollars and most of it went into the liberal black hole i don't know if it's like

00:01:59.580 this where you're from jamie but i can tell you here in manitoba we're not seeing a lot of

00:02:03.980 infrastructure money we're not seeing cell phone service in improve we're not seeing rural broadband

00:02:09.880 improve under this government so even before covid massive spending trudeau still thinks the budget

00:02:17.700 would balance itself and a lot of party insiders getting getting good contracts then covid hit and then

00:02:26.460 we were in a very very difficult situation where a government any government would have spent a lot of

00:02:32.420 money to provide support and spend they did spend the liberals did spend we supported a lot of it

00:02:38.860 there still was and continues to be a lot of that money unaccounted for of the over 400 billion

00:02:46.000 dollars that was spent during covid less than half can be accounted for in actual support then that

00:02:53.280 brings us to the budget yesterday we were waiting for a budget for for two years although i kind of joke

00:02:58.520 you kind of you kind of dread a liberal budget we we want to see a budget but we also dread it because

00:03:04.740 you know lo and behold and to no surprise it is again massive spending uh with really no real plan

00:03:13.280 so 101 billion dollars notice she didn't do 100 freeland didn't do 100 billion it's 101 billion

00:03:20.420 dollars she's kind of like poking it at at at the country i'm going to spend your money and uh and do it

00:03:27.660 really really proudly and listen it is just another uh as don martin said or you and i were talking it's

00:03:34.540 just like kind of the fan money money for everybody money everywhere uh and you know what's the saddest

00:03:40.460 part of it we we are going to see a generation ahead of us with no hope and and no hope to have

00:03:47.920 jobs for the future i mean trudeau's basically thrown away our natural resources sector he has abandoned

00:03:53.940 the jobs that come out of alberta saskatchewan um and and other parts of uh of the west and it it's

00:04:01.680 very sad to see i mean the the good thing is conservatives do have a plan for recovery we've

00:04:07.000 done it before we did it in 2008 and nine and we can do it again and um the the liberal plan is is not

00:04:14.180 a plan it is just massive spending going out to liberal friends and insiders and kind of their pet

00:04:19.540 projects yeah you're right they're asking for a huge swath of money to spend on whatever they feel

00:04:25.980 like it but at the end of the day it isn't this stimulus that we actually need yes businesses and

00:04:31.180 individuals need some compensation to get them over the hump when they're being told to lock down

00:04:35.600 and stay safe we'll get into the vaccine failure and the results of this next round of of lockdowns

00:04:41.180 but at the end of the day and we've seen when the lockdowns get eased in certain jurisdictions of the

00:04:46.080 country spending starts again people start going back to their habits the economy picks back up

00:04:50.900 so you don't necessarily need to borrow or print money to so-called stimulate the economy when it's

00:04:57.360 the government with the neck on the boot of the economy that's the issue we could we could start

00:05:02.460 economic activity if we had vaccines and we were able to open the economy we don't need to continue

00:05:08.360 to saddle future generations with this debt you're you're bang on and that was you touched on another

00:05:14.940 component of the context that i forgot to mention and that is not only the government's response to

00:05:21.400 covid in terms of all the spending which was needed but their actual approach to covid in terms of the

00:05:26.600 health and safety of canadians whether it was decisions around the border information about masks

00:05:31.840 or their current massive failure on vaccine procurement you know trudeau has done such a masterful job

00:05:39.800 and i hate to say but it's a fact of pushing all of the responsibility all of the the difficult

00:05:46.420 stuff onto the provinces and the provinces have seemed to receive it quite readily and the one job

00:05:52.720 trudeau did have was to get vaccines for canadians and he has blown that massively bad decisions bad

00:06:00.200 judgment believing in a country like china and a communist regime like china ahead of having faith in uh in

00:06:08.460 in what other looking at our g7 partners and seeing what they were doing in terms of procuring vaccines

00:06:13.700 bottom line you can't trust this guy not just because he might have his own ideological agenda

00:06:20.500 he just doesn't appear to have some common sense good judgment and his faith and his trust is usually

00:06:27.820 misguided and in the end canadians pay for it so you know to your point we're hearing this we're hearing

00:06:33.980 that that people are waiting to spend money that when the vaccines do eventually come that there there

00:06:39.860 is investment that the things can rebound so then you do have to wonder why are they spending 101 billion

00:06:46.480 dollars and i think as been said by a number of commentators this is an election budget and they're

00:06:51.800 hoping that they can buy people's votes with their own money as we've seen all across the world not just

00:06:59.460 in canada but here too um the the situation in our long-term care facilities we've seen uh some pretty

00:07:06.260 horrific stories and heard them and i'm sure we all have stories from across our ridings and we've saw

00:07:11.300 around the world um so in terms of health care funding the provinces needed more in terms of

00:07:17.980 transfers so they can up upgrade their long-term care facilities put more money into better icu facilities

00:07:23.700 and their hospital infrastructure but yet the government decided no we won't do that we'll give you

00:07:29.260 money for new new transit and we'll also do our big centerpiece which is daycare which will require

00:07:36.200 provinces to split the cost 50 50 putting a burden on them and i don't know really any province in this

00:07:44.040 country that is bursting at the seams with extra cash and and so instead of actually dealing with

00:07:49.120 the problem they decided to resurrect something they promised since 1993 with a massive price tag that

00:07:55.640 will be deficit financed and structurally in a deficit situation because it the cash just isn't there

00:08:04.080 you you you know this is always the liberal way of doing things whenever they get in a little bit of

00:08:10.060 of trouble or they're not sure what to do let's pull out the good old daycare promise let's pull that

00:08:14.860 one out of our hat because we've been promising that says a liberal for the last 15 years the interesting

00:08:21.200 thing a couple of points i want to make around that and um you know first of all you're you're right

00:08:25.680 from what i've heard from very reliable sources the provinces were not consulted in any way on this

00:08:31.960 daycare plan uh which very few people have faith in because it's been promised so many times

00:08:37.720 and it also shows how out of touch liberals are when it comes to how families and work is changing

00:08:45.420 across the country not only with covid but even prior to covid the way that families structured

00:08:50.980 their work day how parents decided that they wanted their children to be looked after in their

00:08:56.440 best case scenario was not always a nine to five you know we'll drop the child off at the daycare

00:09:02.160 go to my factory do my work then pick them up at five o'clock that that is becoming much and much

00:09:08.700 much more rare and what is becoming more prevalent are families looking to other family members or

00:09:14.820 friends that they know or home-based daycare or uh parents themselves taking turns and working

00:09:21.960 different shifts there's a whole whole host of ways that parents want their children to be looked after

00:09:28.320 including them looking after the children themselves and being valued for that by their government

00:09:34.480 a lot of these things the liberals are completely out of touch and it's again the ottawa knows best

00:09:40.380 approach to looking after children and you know my fear too a lot of these so-called day the daycares

00:09:46.620 would be unionized and there'd be a lot of money going towards institutional daycare there is no doubt

00:09:53.480 and uh jamie i'm sure you're hearing this there's no doubt families need a plan for child care and

00:09:59.940 conservatives are going to deliver that plan you will remember it was conservatives

00:10:04.000 in 2006 that turned the whole topic of child care in a new direction with the uccb it was

00:10:13.160 conservatives that said we believe families are not going to spend money on beer and popcorn but

00:10:18.900 they're going to make good decisions for their families let's give money directly to canadian

00:10:23.700 families and the liberals basically adopted it themselves and increased it they changed a little

00:10:29.560 bit on how it's done but they copied us shamelessly so i think we can tell canadians with confidence

00:10:37.020 keep your eyes open keep your ears open you're going to hear a plan from aaron o'toole and conservatives

00:10:42.500 that again will reflect the change in how child care uh is is is needed by families today in canada

00:10:50.180 um so you know that there's there's a lot more that can be talked about about daycare but it looks

00:10:57.660 like um the provinces are going to have to either pony up a whole bunch of money that they don't have

00:11:04.560 or this will yet just be another pipe dream the liberals throw out and uh and nothing actually

00:11:10.200 becomes of it well look that's exactly what our plan is all about and it goes on to the the slogan of

00:11:15.280 this program low taxes less government more freedom and it's amazing what happens when you give people

00:11:21.720 more of the money they earn back in their pockets right they are able to make the best choices based

00:11:28.020 on their individual circumstance and you can't say for 38 million canadians the ottawa knows best solution

00:11:34.000 will work for everybody with a child regardless of where you are your geography who's around you it

00:11:40.620 doesn't it will not work it'll be a massive failure and what they'll ask for what every left

00:11:47.080 leaning government likes to ask for is more time more patience and more of your money to eventually

00:11:52.320 hopefully make it work at some point yeah yeah and and there's no doubt that parents are looking for

00:11:59.620 more spaces for their child care but i don't think that term spaces is in the traditional sense as i said of

00:12:07.820 take your kid to a big daycare center drop them off when i say spaces i mean parents who are saying

00:12:14.060 i want to leave my kid in in someone's home somebody i know well someone who shares my cultural

00:12:19.940 uh similarity somebody who shares my values somebody who uh celebrates the same things that i celebrate

00:12:28.740 we have a lot of uh new canadians who are coming into canada and they want to be able to have their

00:12:33.820 children raised with their same cultural cultural and traditional values and i think that that's when

00:12:39.820 i when conservatives say child care spaces we mean spaces determined by you the parent not spaces as

00:12:48.960 determined by uh the the liberal government which is we know best and i mean we've seen this in other

00:12:54.760 policies where the liberals are trying to tell canadians how to raise their kids but you know the fact is

00:13:00.620 this is a big spending budget and it is uh one that i think there may be some canadians that look at it

00:13:07.620 and say oh good more money but a lot of people are taking a step back even those who have voted liberal

00:13:13.340 uh traditionally and they are very concerned about the fiscal direction of this country they're concerned

00:13:19.140 about where this is going to end and i mean christia freeland has written about it trudeau's talked about it

00:13:26.120 this reimagined economy where they're setting aside some of the tried and trude fiscal policies of the

00:13:33.740 thatcher reagan uh kind of policy where it's less government and as you said give people

00:13:40.700 power give taxation let tax less freeland and trudeau actually don't believe that and they want

00:13:48.340 as big a government as possible and they can try to control everything so i think there's going to be a lot

00:13:55.340 of canadians who may not even see themselves as conservative they may have voted conservative

00:14:00.760 one election they might have voted liberal another election this is going to give them pause for

00:14:06.220 thought and and and i believe it's an opportunity for conservatives to show our plan on really secure

00:14:12.140 in the future and and that's not just a slogan that's actually what we need to do we have to think

00:14:17.240 about future generations this budget doesn't do that well let's let's talk about actually transferring

00:14:22.940 back into a paycheck economy and getting the economy back on track the government

00:14:27.680 hasn't really addressed the structural problems with our our governing system with the regulatory body

00:14:36.620 we have we have tons of regulations and rules and we're not saying abandon them all but we need

00:14:42.620 to have it a reasonable level we need to ensure that the environment is correct so that private sector

00:14:47.100 growth sees a future in canada invest money that there's certainty in the regulatory process something

00:14:53.320 that is is unfortunately lacking in some areas which is which is causing the anchors of our economy and

00:14:58.840 you mentioned it at the beginning the natural resources industry to to shed billions upon billions of

00:15:04.960 dollars which could be used to create jobs businesses and grow the economy well it's interesting i was

00:15:12.280 talking actually with my own financial planner uh yesterday and we were talking about about

00:15:16.880 investments and he said you know he said i hate to say it but if you say to somebody do you want to

00:15:21.640 invest in the u.s or in canada it's always the u.s first because in canada and this guy isn't political

00:15:28.140 he's but he's i would say he's more of a conservative leaning but he's not partisan at all he said you know in

00:15:33.580 canada there's no certainty there there's no certainty around what can get built who has to be

00:15:39.060 consulted what does that actually mean and so for investors when there's not certainty they're going

00:15:44.720 to go elsewhere and this is what we've been identifying as a problem with the liberals since

00:15:49.220 they were elected since they uh changed the legislative legislation and made things more uncertain and we've

00:15:54.780 seen pipelines being canceled to the point where the government themselves have gone and bought a

00:15:59.900 pipeline and unfortunately we're not seeing that again we're not seeing a shift if anything we're seeing

00:16:05.300 them double down in that uh and i mean i recognize that esg and environment social governance is

00:16:12.920 something that is is really important and i think though we need a government that recognizes well i know

00:16:18.620 this we need a government that will stand up and recognize that canada for sure leads the way on the

00:16:25.880 sng on the social and governance part of esg i will we will stand our record against any country when it

00:16:34.080 comes to our social responsibility our inclusion our protection of minority rights our protection of

00:16:41.800 vulnerable people on the social governance side of things we absolutely are at the top of the pack

00:16:47.820 and i believe that on the e on the environment side side we are at the top are very very close to the

00:16:54.520 top does that mean we can't improve on all of those things absolutely we should continually be improving

00:17:01.120 but we need a government that will stand up on the world stage and say first of all canada is a leader

00:17:07.860 on esg we are a leader and we will not take lecturing from other countries and to these investors who are

00:17:15.980 somehow penalizing canadian oil sands because they're saying oh it's not part of the esg we need to

00:17:22.200 call them out because i bet they're investing in china i bet they're investing in other jurisdictions

00:17:27.500 where the s and the g is at a minus and the e is probably at a minus as well but you need a prime

00:17:35.220 minister and a government that is going to say that and and we have the proof of it we're not just

00:17:40.720 saying it it's actually true canada should be a place for investment but under this government where

00:17:46.900 we're just constantly shaming ourselves talking ourselves down and then adding more you know and we're

00:17:52.740 seeing it right now we're seeing more uncertainty with the undrip legislation that they've rammed

00:17:56.640 through no certainty around what does consultation mean uh what does it mean and we and we need to add

00:18:02.980 indigenous consultation in terms of including indigenous people in sharing in this wealth but it

00:18:10.520 should not be a um a barrier to good solid investment coming to canada there's my esg belief and i think

00:18:19.060 that we as canadians and erin otul has said this erin has said we should be an esg superpower and we

00:18:26.200 can be i love your passion we have kept you long we do appreciate your patience i always give the

00:18:32.660 guests the final word so i open up the floor to you well jamie i just uh i appreciate so much being on

00:18:38.660 the show i love what you're doing uh i love the the voice that you are not only for conservatives but

00:18:44.500 for canadians who kind of are trying to find a home they're not at all comfortable with trudeau and

00:18:49.840 it's programs like yours and voices like yours that we need to just keep getting out there to

00:18:54.920 the canadian public so that they can look in the mirror look at look at us and and see see

00:19:00.280 conservatives in themselves so thanks for what you're doing we love having you in our caucus and

00:19:04.820 as a team member and i always love coming on the show i appreciate it we love having you on you are

00:19:10.000 welcome anytime you just you just text me and we'll have you on because you you have such great

00:19:15.680 passion and you're a great voice for for all canadians not just your province and your riding

00:19:20.000 of portage lisker and uh being the deputy leader of the official opposition you're doing a great job

00:19:25.280 candace thank you so much and thank you for listening we have new content every single tuesday

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00:19:46.640 together we can ensure that erin o'toole is the next prime minister of canada because there is someone

00:19:51.800 in your network that might be open to hearing this conservative message this is an opportunity for

00:19:56.780 that to happen remember low taxes less government more freedom that's the blueprints thanks for joining us

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - April 21, 2021

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