The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - The Beverage Industry Has Been Neglected by the Trudeau Government

00:00:00.000 to the blueprint it is canada's conservative podcast i'm your host jamie schmale member

00:00:16.760 parliament for halliburton for the legs brock in ontario thank you so much for joining us

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00:00:50.900 dan albus he is the shadow minister for climate change and in the environment he's also the member

00:00:56.260 of parliament in british columbia for central okanagan similkmin nicola thank you so much for

00:01:01.380 joining us hey thanks jamie great great to be here with you well we have a lot to talk to you about

00:01:06.540 believe it or not i i know it's hard to believe but you are tabling a private member members bill but

00:01:12.220 you have to deal with some interprovincial trade issues but i i want to put that to the side just

00:01:17.020 for a quick second because i think something else popped up just as parliament shut down for the the

00:01:23.760 christmas break was the fact that the carbon tax is going to be increasing something the liberals

00:01:29.740 said for i don't know how many months even years that they would not increase it so according to the

00:01:35.960 liberals the the carbon tax will start to rise by about 15 each year starting in 2023 until it hits

00:01:43.280 170 per ton in 2030 that is a complete that that is complete i i can i say lie here can i say lie on

00:01:54.420 this platform that the liberals said they would never do that they would not increase it past what was

00:01:59.960 coming in 2022 which was 50 yeah absolutely during the election jamie they denied they said we are not

00:02:07.160 going to be raising uh the carbon tax pass uh you know to 2022 uh we specifically raised this that

00:02:14.500 they were going to do this and many in the media fact checked to us saying that it would not happen

00:02:19.700 uh but here we are the last day of the house of commons sitting in december the prime minister and his

00:02:27.180 environment minister do an announcement guess what we're going to 170 tons or 170 dollars a ton

00:02:34.460 uh from where most jurisdictions are at 30 dollars so this was a slap in the face for all those

00:02:40.800 businesses right now that are just struggling with the pandemic um but have been struggling also to

00:02:45.200 deal with a 30 a ton carbon tax so um you know right off the bat to be saying that they did not

00:02:52.360 exercise any um you know democratic uh accountability on this it's just shocking that they would lie to the

00:03:02.100 public uh put this out there on a friday late afternoon and then and then not have any scrutiny

00:03:07.880 on this so what does that mean to the average consumer for a liter of gas uh what what does this

00:03:14.200 mean i know like everyone will be impacted the supply chain will be impacted prices will increase

00:03:19.680 so for for the pump at the pump what what does this mean how how will people be dealing with this

00:03:24.960 well again there's also the uh the canadian fuel standard that they're going to be adding as well

00:03:30.700 so uh prices inevitably will be going up but look um first of all erin o'toole has said from day one

00:03:36.560 we oppose the trudeau carbon tax and once we form government that is the first thing to go we will

00:03:43.960 work with provinces uh to to work uh together on climate initiatives uh but we're going to do it

00:03:49.520 rather than uh than than than preaching to them or scolding them we're actually going to work hand

00:03:55.440 in glove with them you know our provincial premiers and provinces should be partners not punching bags

00:04:00.920 but you know look there's other things here the supreme court hasn't yet ruled on the constitutionality

00:04:06.940 of the trudeau carbon tax uh both scott moe and jason kenney have fought this all the way through the

00:04:13.420 supreme court uh and so we're still waiting to hear that so if the supreme court strikes it down

00:04:18.160 uh it's just curious that the government would go out and do this so what is it it's about political

00:04:23.000 uh you know chances we hear that there could be an election so obviously what they're trying to do is

00:04:28.880 signal to those people that believe a carbon tax is good for canada uh and and ignoring everyone else

00:04:35.700 look right now there are businesses as i've mentioned earlier in the uh that are under the trudeau carbon

00:04:42.160 tax uh that are already struggling to get by at 30 a ton for them to be hearing now during the middle

00:04:49.140 of a pandemic where they're struggling to keep their doors open that it's going to go to 170

00:04:53.720 look farmers often are price takers they're not price makers and so if they have to use natural gas

00:05:01.220 or propane uh to be able to uh dry their grain so that they can sell it on a world market where it's a

00:05:07.060 commodity you know it's shocking that this government would go ahead and look what are we

00:05:12.560 going to deal with the provinces like this is an area of shared jurisdiction so jamie um you know

00:05:18.220 what what happens if a particular province does not want to go on along with this is are the trudeau

00:05:24.760 liberals basically proposing that if the carbon tax that a province or cap and trade system that a

00:05:29.720 province has right now isn't sufficient are they going to slap down a second one so there's lots of

00:05:34.820 questions that we need to have answered uh but again they did this at the very end of the house

00:05:39.460 of commons so we couldn't hold them accountable uh like we should and we will you mentioned a few

00:05:44.740 times about how businesses are struggling as it is what does this do what does a carbon tax at that

00:05:50.340 level do to canada's overall competitiveness across the global markets look i'll give you the example

00:05:57.580 when i was in windsor i talked to a gentleman who had a special bakery operation he does the pita bread

00:06:03.020 that you see at your local market and he said specifically at the time that the rates of

00:06:08.900 electric uh the cost to run uh his his facilities in ontario due to many of the actions uh done uh by

00:06:16.460 jerry butts uh and kathleen wynn provincially had led him where he was losing ground because he could not

00:06:24.780 match the prices by someone over just across the bridge in detroit so these are tangible examples

00:06:31.180 where government costs get loaded down onto these small businesses and inevitably they either have

00:06:37.720 to shut down uh and move to the other jurisdiction or they just shut down and right now during the

00:06:43.060 pandemic this isn't the time to be doing that one of the famous lines the liberals always use is

00:06:49.020 canadians will be getting more money back there will be money in the rebates but we all know

00:06:54.740 government doesn't have anything at at first it has to take it from others in the form of taxes so

00:07:01.400 how are the rebates getting bigger at some point who is paying this yeah there's some questions about

00:07:09.440 how this uh carbon tax works uh from the federal perspective dan kelly the canadian federation of

00:07:15.400 independent business uh head has said that right now they're actually taking from uh the local

00:07:21.380 ma and pa store that have to pay that carbon tax and often have to eat it because again they're

00:07:25.900 price takers not price makers and essentially the government is giving it uh to other people

00:07:31.280 and so uh that makes it so eventually they're going to get squeezed out this is the reason why we oppose

00:07:37.280 the carbon tax it's going to push jobs and opportunities to other areas like the united states that don't

00:07:42.400 have it through carbon leakage uh and it also uh just again puts more more more burden

00:07:48.260 on those that are trying to to just stay there keep their head above water during this time of

00:07:53.760 covet one of the other lines we also hear from the liberals a lot of time is that they need to invest

00:07:59.080 in green technology i think i think we all to a point agree with that but i think the difference is

00:08:04.940 the liberal plan picks winners and losers in the market it's almost like predetermined innovation is

00:08:09.740 what they're trying to get at whereas our plan for the most part calls for incentives for businesses

00:08:15.380 to produce the best product or the best service that the individual gets to choose from and letting

00:08:21.740 the market decide the path forward well and that's why we need to be working with provinces not against

00:08:27.080 them uh and that's simply because every province has an energy mix for example uh hydro is used

00:08:33.320 extensively in british columbia and quebec uh while nuclear is used a lot more to replace uh coal in

00:08:40.000 ontario um every province has a different mix it has a different energy need and we need to be

00:08:46.100 working with them and that's the real big difference between conservatives and liberals

00:08:49.920 liberals want to see a reality where what they want to see happens conservatives want to see it done

00:08:55.580 from the ground up in a reasonable way where provinces that are best situated and also have under

00:09:01.000 the constitution the levers uh for control of energy and and many of these other uh important aspects

00:09:06.760 to climate change uh and that's why we need to work with them as i said earlier uh this government

00:09:11.900 seems to want to scold i saw the minister of the environment actually trolling the uh premier of

00:09:18.240 saskatchewan that's just not something you'll see on an erin o'toole government we'll work with provinces

00:09:23.280 because we think that there's lots of things we can do together we can champion champion forestry we can

00:09:28.920 champion uh clean lng to be exported to offset uh many of the coal-fired facilities in in places like

00:09:36.160 china or other asian countries that are growing and hungry for uh more fuel like this is where we can

00:09:42.860 actually be fighting climate change and helping jobs and the economy that's the biggest difference

00:09:48.160 here jamie under an erin o'toole government you'll actually see emissions go down jobs going up

00:09:53.500 investment coming to canada and we'll see uh more uh critical habitat restored that's what we're aiming

00:09:59.680 to do and uh we will hold these liberals feet to the fire for betraying what they told the canadian

00:10:06.220 public saying that they would not be raising uh the carbon tax after 2022 i just want to unpack

00:10:13.420 quickly something you had just mentioned the fact that energy demand around the world is growing

00:10:20.440 so if we shut down through the liberals plan or significantly limit the amount of production

00:10:27.420 in the canadian energy sector that does not stop the overall global demand for energy which of course

00:10:35.080 in many cases could drive up prices and make living even more expensive for people uh this this is not

00:10:41.420 something that can you can't shut down the canadian energy industry and and expect the demand for energy

00:10:47.600 not to increase so we should have a clean way of doing it well exactly and look the united states has

00:10:53.420 shown they've become some of the the one of the biggest exporters of oil and gas in the world

00:10:58.100 but you know you raise something right there is is that the choice to buy and support a particular

00:11:03.620 country's energy is a moral one uh do you want us to see russia uh saudi arabia uh and many other

00:11:10.380 regimes that have terrible human rights traffic uh or human rights records like iran uh or do you want

00:11:17.320 to see canada and the united states uh that have stable or democratic countries rule of law these

00:11:24.500 are these are the things that countries need to understand that energy is uh is a form of politics

00:11:29.900 and uh we need to be smart we need to use the markets where they're appropriate and we also need

00:11:34.620 to make sure that democratic countries uh you know buy from one another during the last election i think a

00:11:42.520 lot of the campaign was run on overall affordability the cost of living was increasing and i remember at

00:11:50.100 the debates listening to to my opponents talk about new taxes they want to bring in new regulations all of

00:11:57.660 which combined work to increase the cost of living for individuals so when we'd sit out a bit debate and

00:12:04.600 talk about why the cost of food is going up or the price of energy especially in ontario is going up

00:12:10.760 they never actually got to the root cause their their their solution was to get another government

00:12:16.100 program to fix the problem that they created in the first place no and this is this is again the big

00:12:21.880 problem uh is is that uh you know many people uh and again i i don't attribute this to everyone because

00:12:27.840 obviously canadians are as many as that are partisan but a lot of liberals um feel that they can use

00:12:33.620 government to change what canada is despite the realities uh that we work in look we're we're an open

00:12:40.640 and small uh economy and we produce things that people want and we need to make smart choices on

00:12:48.300 that now we can actually fight climate change at the same time stay in harmony with the united states

00:12:54.280 at the same time we can actually see more jobs and growth here in canada that is something you can do

00:13:00.560 but unfortunately many of the decisions the trudeau government has made is actually pushing

00:13:05.520 our investment in our jobs south of the border uh and we're actually seeing where other countries are

00:13:11.740 benefiting from canadian know-how erin o'toole is determined to be smart on these policies and to make

00:13:17.940 the right moves for canada and that's something that i think conservatives can be proud of but i also

00:13:22.280 think that canadians who may be not you know that politically uh involved that's what they want

00:13:28.380 to see they want to see how are we going to take care of the massive debts that this government

00:13:33.460 has put on even before covet 19 we need to keep canadians working we need to keep uh you know our

00:13:40.240 our approach to governing uh smart and limited very well said i could go on this topic for quite some

00:13:48.780 time but i i do have a limited amount of time and i also wanted to talk to you quickly about your

00:13:54.360 private members bill that deals with a few interprovincial trade issues i know has been a uh an issue

00:14:00.240 of yours something you've been fighting for for for quite some time as long as i've known you why don't

00:14:04.480 you tell us a bit about that well jamie this is an issue that's close to my heart and also to my

00:14:08.960 constituents ultimately my constituents have said time and time again that we need to do something

00:14:13.640 about these archaic uh prohibition era laws now look the government uh put together what it calls its

00:14:20.600 canadian free trade agreement i think it's kind of laughable that in a confederation you need to have

00:14:25.900 a signed agreement uh between provinces uh to be able to trade between uh provinces with each other

00:14:32.920 i think that's a bit silly um but even with that trade deal which half of it about 150 pages are

00:14:39.320 exemptions one of the exemptions was alcohol and so we have a case right now where some provinces

00:14:45.820 like british columbia nova scotia manitoba saskatchewan are open to the free trade of canadian products like

00:14:54.660 like uh craft beer like uh artist and uh like uh spirits and as well as uh wine made by these

00:15:03.260 small family wineries so there's there's right now a huge need uh and uh right now people are

00:15:10.360 starting to utilize uh home delivery more and more ordering things online more and more we're seeing at

00:15:18.020 the same time of covet 19 many of these small family wineries and many of these artists and distillers

00:15:23.920 are seeing their foot traffic drop people are just not feeling comfortable to go out

00:15:28.760 and expose themselves and so they have a market that they could be hitting by online sales over the

00:15:35.400 telephone uh and right now certain provinces are blocking it so what my bill essentially would do

00:15:42.200 would make it so that canada post a crown corporation would be able to send uh right across this great

00:15:49.460 country uh are great canadian products so that canadians can trade with canadians it'll give

00:15:55.180 more consumer choice and um you know i'm just hoping that the big provincial liquor monopolies

00:16:01.600 can understand that this change is happening and they need to get out of the way i think it would be

00:16:08.380 kind of a surprise to a lot of canadians to know that in a lot of cases in this one in particular

00:16:13.240 um it is easier to do business with other countries that it is with some provinces believe it or not

00:16:20.180 in some cases i i to many when i say say it to people who you know really don't follow politics

00:16:25.640 or aren't involved a lot of just it just kind of hits them like really like how is this possible and

00:16:31.780 i think you said at the beginning of your your statement how in this confederation are we still

00:16:35.800 dealing with this look sir john a mcdonald and george brown two opponents uh that uh

00:16:43.220 hated each other's guts if you if you read some of the history both agreed that canada would be

00:16:49.340 stronger if we could trade with one another i believe that we can we can live up to that look

00:16:55.400 let's not wait another 150 years to bring this issue to the forefront let's get this done let's see

00:17:01.340 this bill bill c 260 there's a online petition right now so uh if you type in your google dan elbus

00:17:08.860 e-petition uh it'll come it'll take your right to the petition you can sign up right there and send

00:17:14.900 your member of parliament a note outlining that you want to see this supported we can get this done

00:17:21.160 it's not a difficult bill uh and we can support these small uh and medium-sized businesses because

00:17:26.680 look you know that we see there's going to be tax increases uh come april april 1st uh on excise

00:17:33.960 for for beer and spirits uh we have some trade uncertainty for small and medium-sized wineries

00:17:41.080 uh because the liberals botched uh you know a negotiation on the wto with australia

00:17:47.660 um this is the time for us to be showing some real support if entrepreneurs who are willing to put

00:17:53.600 everything on the line to make a great product do not feel that they are wanted in this world they will

00:17:59.720 close down let's show them that covid19 is an opportunity to say no there's opportunity here

00:18:05.200 in canada we want your beer we want your wine we want your spirits and we want to make sure that any

00:18:09.760 canadian can order them i think this goes to kind of a link to our our previous conversation about how

00:18:17.060 canada is falling behind in terms of being competitive in the global market or even in the

00:18:22.880 domestic market we're seeing struggles within our energy industry the anchor in our economy in a lot

00:18:29.780 of cases in the mining industry in and and it goes on and on there are a lot of industries that are

00:18:36.340 hurting right now and as you mentioned because of policies by this liberal government well absolutely

00:18:42.580 and aaron o'toole in his leadership uh bid he had issues on uh internal trade he had them on oil and gas

00:18:49.160 uh and he's had them on competitiveness so look we are every day in the house of commons we are

00:18:54.920 criticizing the government but we're also offering solutions this is a solution that can change uh the

00:19:01.140 way that we do these things and look when other countries if you went to france or spain or the united

00:19:06.700 states or australia and asked them to see if they allow interprovincial or interstate trade they would

00:19:12.760 laugh of course they do if you don't own your own domestic market to get the economies of scale to build

00:19:19.000 that great product how are you going to be successful internationally now canada has had some great

00:19:24.080 success on the international stage but you know what they can't scale up and the fastest way to scale up

00:19:30.260 for these small and medium-sized business is to give them more opportunities at home where they can send

00:19:37.100 their products look there's too many uh great uh wineries i know jason kenney's been tweeting about some

00:19:42.980 the great craft brewers uh and some of the whiskeys that uh that they've been producing that has won

00:19:49.020 international uh acclaim well let's let's start trading with one another and this bill is the great

00:19:55.440 reset for oh that's pardon me it's a terrible terrible term to be using right now i should be scolded for

00:20:01.140 that i think we're gonna this is this is an opportunity though for us to now give that that uh

00:20:07.240 uh that uh beacon of hope to those businesses that right now are are looking for a reason to stay

00:20:14.660 open dan i always give the guest the last word here and i'll give you a chance to redeem yourself

00:20:20.960 on that last little bit any closing remarks hey this country is great and it was built on hard work and

00:20:26.900 sacrifice let's not tie ourselves into knots let's uh let's uh you know keep support your local member

00:20:33.160 of parliament if they're conservative give them your best ideas uh and uh we're out there and

00:20:38.700 we're going to hold this government to account all right we'll have you on again dan thank you very

00:20:42.920 much dan albus the member of parliament for central okanagan samilkmin nicola in the beautiful province

00:20:48.080 of british columbia i hope to get out there once again when the borders open up and uh travel is allowed

00:20:54.060 because it is a gorgeous part of our country thank you very much for joining us again 1 30 p.m eastern

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - January 13, 2021

The Beverage Industry Has Been Neglected by the Trudeau Government

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