The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - October 13, 2026


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00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
00:00:07.620 host at Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton, Kawartha Lakes, with new content for
00:00:11.300 you every single Tuesday, 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time. Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe, and
00:00:16.300 share this program because on today's show we are talking about Canada's immigration system
00:00:21.660 and the Prime Minister's view on that and whether it means more or less at our borders. To talk
00:00:28.500 about this and so much more. We bring on Brad Radicopp, the Member of Parliament for Saskatoon
00:00:33.140 West in the beautiful province of Saskatchewan, also the Vice Chair of the Immigration Committee
00:00:38.400 here in Parliament. Happy Thanksgiving. Yeah, same to you, Jamie. Great to be on the show.
00:00:42.440 I hope you had a good turkey weekend and everything was good. Yeah, family's great.
00:00:46.160 All right. My suit's a bit tighter, so clearly went okay. Oh, you look fine.
00:00:51.080 Oh, you're too kind. That's why I keep bringing you on the show. Always good with the compliments.
00:00:54.680 But we're talking about immigration because that seems to be a hot topic lately.
00:00:58.620 We have, you know, word from the government that at one point through Stats Canada that the numbers had actually dropped in population for the first time in decades.
00:01:08.960 But the revised numbers came out and it turns out it didn't go that way at all.
00:01:14.860 Yeah, it's very interesting.
00:01:16.340 The government was, you know, very proud of the fact that they were reducing immigration, reducing the number of temporary residents in our country.
00:01:23.280 and Stats Canada backed that up with about a 200,000 person drop in the population.
00:01:30.140 And then they revised it recently and said, oops, actually we were wrong.
00:01:33.640 It actually went up by 200,000 people.
00:01:36.880 So, you know, obviously the plan of the government isn't quite working the way they wanted it to.
00:01:41.700 And it seems to be the way the government, especially under Trudeau,
00:01:45.620 used those kind of tactics to hide the economic slowdown that the country was experiencing
00:01:52.920 because they would bring in more people that would create economic activity through buying
00:01:58.200 and selling, that sort of thing. But really, Canadians in general, at large, were not feeling
00:02:03.820 any benefit in terms of getting wealthier. No, and it's actually very simple to understand
00:02:08.100 because you have a pie and there's this much of a pie. And if there's 10 people wanting a piece
00:02:14.140 of pie, that's one tenth for each. But if there's 12 people, that's only one twelfth for each. The
00:02:18.000 pie slice gets smaller. And that's essentially what we had in Canada was a certain amount of
00:02:22.000 economic activity divided by more people means that everybody gets a little bit less and that's
00:02:26.120 what we've been experiencing in the country and that's what Canadians are feeling. And typically
00:02:29.940 from like our memory, our generation, as long as you can go back and really it's this government
00:02:39.540 because whether it's Trudeau or Carney at the helm, it's still the same people behind the scenes
00:02:44.300 making these decisions but immigration was always used as a check for the most part against inflation
00:02:50.960 You had more jobs than people. You opened the taps a bit more to let more in so that wages didn't get too far off the charts where businesses couldn't afford it anymore.
00:03:01.760 And vice versa. When there were more people than jobs, the taps were turned off so that you didn't have Canadians lining up at food banks like we see now to the point where they can't find jobs.
00:03:12.820 But Trudeau ruined it.
00:03:15.920 Carney's continuing this, and we'll get into that in just a second.
00:03:18.860 But really, the gold standard, which was Canada's immigration system for decades and was admired around the world, has been turned on its head by this government.
00:03:28.460 Yeah, absolutely.
00:03:29.040 And if you look back in history, you'll see that the immigration numbers would go up and then down and up and down, just like you described, based on the economy and the needs.
00:03:36.140 And even more importantly, during the Trudeau era, the Liberal government, and now into the Kearney era, those numbers have just gone up.
00:03:43.440 They've just gone, you know, they're not doing this, they're just going up.
00:03:46.340 And the other part of this that's important is that who we're bringing in is critical.
00:03:49.860 We need to bring in people that fill those gaps in the labour market that we don't have right now.
00:03:54.380 And the focus of immigration under the Liberals has been just let everybody in.
00:03:58.380 And we really need to return back to that really measured and precise method of bringing in exactly the people that we need to make our economy stronger.
00:04:06.580 And it was that well-known point system that we once had.
00:04:10.040 Admired around the world.
00:04:10.920 Yeah, I remember getting compliments when I used to visit with incoming delegations or elsewhere.
00:04:17.440 They would always say, Canada, amazing immigration system.
00:04:20.920 Wish we could replicate that.
00:04:23.120 They're not saying that anymore.
00:04:24.140 No, they're not saying that anymore, sadly.
00:04:25.900 But let's put up the first graphic here.
00:04:27.640 We have Mark Carney talking about an increase on the way again.
00:04:33.660 And so right now we have housing being stretched the limit here.
00:04:38.540 You know, if you own a house, I think you're probably doing pretty well.
00:04:41.660 But if you're trying to get into that market, you're seeing a totally different environment here.
00:04:46.640 Well, clearly, maybe we didn't get the message because the White Knight, our Prime Minister Carney, has solved the problem.
00:04:53.040 Immigration is under control, according to him. 0.99
00:04:55.140 And so he's looking at increasing the numbers again.
00:04:58.020 I think if you talk to people in Canada, Canadian voters and Canadians in general, they wouldn't agree with that.
00:05:03.920 They wouldn't agree that immigration is under control because they're not seeing it in their own lives.
00:05:08.740 They're not seeing the cost of housing coming down and the paychecks going up.
00:05:12.520 They're not seeing that.
00:05:13.500 And so I think it's very premature for the Prime Minister to say that this is under control.
00:05:20.240 You raised a good point here.
00:05:21.580 I was going to go to the next slide, but before I do, you raised a very important point and to our comment earlier.
00:05:28.020 So the wages part, which many Canadians, I'm sure, would say have not been keeping up with inflation.
00:05:34.820 But the wages part is very important because when you have, again, more people than jobs, wages get suppressed.
00:05:41.940 They don't rise as fast as they normally would.
00:05:44.760 Yeah, absolutely. And that's, it's proven very simply and universally understood that more supply of labour means wages are kept low. And that's exactly what's happened in Canada over the last decade, is that we've had an overabundant supply of low wage workers, mainly coming in from overseas. And that has just kept those wages down. And so minimum wages and the wages at the lower end of the scale in particular have been depressed and kept lower. And that's causing a huge affordability problem with Canadians.
00:06:13.080 All right, let's go to the next slide here. So we have issues with their immigration system, but the minister, the so-called head of that department, isn't much better. And we have a slide here, unaware of a very, very important court case that has to deal with refugees and how they're treated and what the process is to allow them to stay or to have them leave Canada.
00:06:38.320 and the minister was just caught flat-footed.
00:06:41.080 As we talked about just a few moments ago,
00:06:43.360 seems like something that would be
00:06:44.640 in the first page of her briefing book
00:06:46.420 after she was sworn in.
00:06:47.840 Well, absolutely.
00:06:48.500 And so this is a decision that was made back in the 80s
00:06:50.600 and it really is what formed the Immigration Refugee Board.
00:06:53.640 And this was pivotal really to the C-12 debate
00:06:56.760 that happened not that long ago.
00:06:58.660 And the minister would have been very well aware
00:07:00.480 and very involved
00:07:01.100 and it would have been part of the briefing for sure.
00:07:03.000 And so it's just another embarrassment for the minister.
00:07:05.560 I think she, you know, as they were trying to explain it to her and, you know, throwing her a lifeline, you know, and she just still wasn't getting it.
00:07:12.840 And then I think finally she said there are, well, there's so many, because it was about the name of the decision was Singh.
00:07:18.880 And then she said, well, there are so many Singhs and so many decisions, you know, like, oh, well.
00:07:23.340 But really this has to come back to Carney.
00:07:25.700 Carney is the one who has appointed this minister.
00:07:28.260 Carney is the one who is maintaining this minister as his person on this very important file.
00:07:33.860 A file that he himself is talking about being under control, and yet, is this under control?
00:07:40.180 You know, there's a question of competence there.
00:07:42.420 So there's the slide there.
00:07:43.660 So as you said, it was a language barrier, according to the minister, that was the problem
00:07:48.780 in a very, as we said, a very important court case that basically has a lot of impact on
00:07:56.780 how the immigration department operates.
00:07:58.520 Yeah, and particularly about C-12, which was a major change to the immigration system.
00:08:03.080 And there were many things in there that we supported, many more things that we wanted the government to go further with in terms of controlling asylum seekers and things like that. 0.99
00:08:11.660 But at least it was a step.
00:08:13.900 And yes, she's, you know, how can she run the department if she doesn't understand these basic things?
00:08:19.040 And how can Carney have confidence in her as a minister?
00:08:22.880 That's a great question.
00:08:24.500 Now, as we ask those questions, the next question is about the Prime Minister's talk of the European Union.
00:08:32.280 Are we joining them?
00:08:34.340 Are we an associate member?
00:08:35.920 But apparently there's no associate member status.
00:08:38.480 What does that mean?
00:08:40.520 Because right now, the immigration debate is hot and heavy right now in Europe as well.
00:08:46.060 Absolutely.
00:08:46.800 So what does that mean for Canada if there is a so-called associate membership or whatever it wants to be called?
00:08:52.960 Well, these are all questions that we don't know the answers to.
00:08:55.900 And Europe is very famous for its immigration problems and its challenges right now.
00:09:01.240 I mean, just in the summertime, we had the big, the Suda event where there were 60,000 people in the Spanish enclave that crossed, we all saw the images, you know, crossing over the walls and along the ocean there and trying to get into Spain.
00:09:14.940 And I think that the questions that brings up in my mind are if we're part of the European Union in some form, the European Union spreads those asylum claimants out over their member states, or at the very least there's financial compensation that has to come from the member states to somebody that's absorbing all these asylum claimants.
00:09:33.180 And so what would Canada's role in that be? Would there be plane loads of people landing at Pearson with migrants coming from Europe into Canada?
00:09:40.560 Or would we be sending billions of dollars over to Europe to compensate some of our partner countries that are dealing with these issues?
00:09:47.940 These are the questions that we don't know the answers to.
00:09:49.800 And very important questions that we have to get an answer to because, as we started off the show talking about, things like housing, schools, can we find a family doctor in British Columbia?
00:10:01.180 it's very difficult. It's not much better in other parts, but some other parts of Canada,
00:10:05.720 it is better. At the same time, what does that mean on the pressures for the systems we have in
00:10:10.920 place? Well, and even setting all that aside, the current government plan is 380,000 new permanent
00:10:17.740 residents each year right now. That's a city the size bigger than Saskatoon, where I'm from.
00:10:23.740 Saskatoon is about 300,000 people. So every year we're adding a city bigger than Saskatoon to our
00:10:28.700 country. So where are those houses being built? We're not building the housing that we need to
00:10:32.480 maintain our population, even at that rate. And so, you know, then when you look at the
00:10:37.180 possibility of more migrants coming from potentially Europe, that just exacerbates 0.99
00:10:41.080 that problem and makes it even worse. And I think also the question is, 1.00
00:10:44.840 which part do we want, right? Like if we're talking the energy policy of Germany, maybe
00:10:50.820 the immigration policy of the UK or the tax policy of France, I'd probably say,
00:10:55.460 no, that's not what we should be looking at.
00:10:58.000 But there are parts, right?
00:10:58.940 Do we want a tax policy, say, of, I don't know, Switzerland or other countries, right?
00:11:03.460 Maybe that's something, or how they're using technology in Estonia.
00:11:06.380 Maybe that's something we can be looking at.
00:11:08.100 But there are examples where we can and where we shouldn't.
00:11:10.400 But at the same time, it's just all up in the air.
00:11:13.040 Well, and we already have a free trade agreement with Europe.
00:11:16.300 Well, not all countries have signed them.
00:11:17.620 Well, fair enough.
00:11:18.320 But we are still doing quite a bit of trade with Europe.
00:11:21.200 Europe has an economic growth of 1%.
00:11:24.280 Is that what we aspire to?
00:11:26.160 Is that our goal or should we be aiming a little bit higher than that?
00:11:29.380 They have inflation running over 3%.
00:11:31.100 There's a lot about the European economy that is not helpful to us.
00:11:35.000 And so these are all questions that need to be explained to Canadians before we make this very significant decision.
00:11:43.960 But it seems like the Prime Minister is on a pathway.
00:11:47.100 He loves Europe.
00:11:48.240 We're part of Eurovision contest now, so we can join that.
00:11:52.340 And he just really loves Europe.
00:11:53.880 And he seems like he's taken us down this path, regardless of what Canadians want, and hasn't mentioned it in Parliament yet, as far as I know.
00:12:02.240 And have you heard a vote on this yet?
00:12:04.140 I have not.
00:12:04.860 No.
00:12:05.100 At the same time, what does that mean for the 80 to 85% of goods that go across the border to the United States?
00:12:12.940 What does that mean for those companies that are doing business back and forth?
00:12:16.600 Yeah, exactly.
00:12:17.120 And it comes back to the fundamental question of trade.
00:12:20.780 And do we ignore our largest customer and focus on some new ideas, which we do need to diversify, there's no question.
00:12:30.000 But we can't just ignore and eliminate 70% to 80% of Canada's trade in hopes that maybe someday we'll get a few more percent somewhere else.
00:12:38.940 And our hope that our companies that are making stuff can navigate the bureaucracy and the rules that exist in the European Union.
00:12:48.940 You have a couple of examples right in front of you here about some of the standards that the European Union has come out with.
00:12:55.200 It's pretty amazing.
00:12:56.300 Well, yeah, the one I found quite interesting was on bananas.
00:12:58.980 Yes.
00:12:59.380 They have a rule about bendy bananas that you can't have bananas need to be free from malformation or abnormal curvature.
00:13:05.900 So they have to be just exactly right.
00:13:07.420 And so if they're not, if they aren't bended just the right way, then they're not acceptable.
00:13:11.720 And did you know that it's bad if your vacuum cleaner is too powerful?
00:13:15.500 I did not know that.
00:13:16.120 Yeah, they have a rule that a vacuum power can be no more than 900 watts.
00:13:19.940 So, you know, don't have that 1,000-watt vacuum cleaner.
00:13:22.800 These are the kinds of things that, you know, we would have to be subject, potentially, to some of these rules.
00:13:28.260 And the implications would come back on us with, you know, control over things like that that don't really make sense to me.
00:13:34.240 All right, we're pretty much out of time.
00:13:36.040 Brad, always a good conversation.
00:13:37.480 But as you know, the guests always get the last words, so the floor is yours.
00:13:40.820 Well, you know, I said Saskatoon is about 300,000 people.
00:13:44.840 So it is the best city in Saskatoon.
00:13:46.880 I just wanted to make that clear to all of our listeners and all of our watchers to know that Saskatoon is the best place in Canada.
00:13:53.780 Lots of sunshine, sometimes a little cold, but we love it there.
00:13:57.120 And I love it there.
00:13:57.820 And I love the people of Saskatoon.
00:13:59.200 Well, as someone from Ontario might have to disagree with you, but I have been to Saskatoon.
00:14:03.520 It is beautiful.
00:14:04.200 Your waterfront is lovely.
00:14:05.620 Your downtown is very friendly.
00:14:07.060 Always something going on.
00:14:08.200 So I do see your merits, but Caliburton-Cawortha Lakes is always better.
00:14:13.200 Anyway, Brad Redicott, Member of Parliament for Saskatoon West, Vice Chair of the Immigration Committee here in Ottawa.
00:14:19.180 Thank you very much for your time.
00:14:20.280 Thank you for yours.
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