The Liberal Government – Where’s Freeland？
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Rick Perkins sets the record for the longest amount of time a minister has refused to appear before a committee in the House of Commons. He explains why this happened, and why it happened in the first place. The Blueprints is a Conservative podcast produced by Jamie Schmael, a Member of Parliament for South Shore-St. Margaret's, New Brunswick.
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Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
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Spotify, you name it, it is out there. Great show lined up for you today. We are bringing in
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the man who set the record of filibuster time in committee. We have Rick Perkins. Thanks for
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joining us, Member of Parliament, South Shore St. Margaret's. Great to be here, Jamie. It's always
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a pleasure. My voice is a little hoarse. Yes, don't blame me. So you were kind of filibustering the
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Finance Committee for good reason. You wanted the Finance Minister to come to Parliament,
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come to committee and talk about her multi-hundred billion dollar budget that she refused to talk to
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anybody about. Yeah, I mean, the filibuster was really about ministerial accountability, a fairly
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fundamental thing about Westminster parliamentary democracy. He would think so, yeah. In fact,
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the open and accountable government document that the Prime Minister put out when he first got elected
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in 2015 and which is tied to every mandate letter requires the ministers to go to parliamentary
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committees when asked. Unfortunately, the Minister of Finance, Christopher Freeland, had not been at
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Finance Committee in the last six months and had actually blown off the three separate invitations
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from the committee to appear. One with the Governor of the Bank of Canada together or separately on
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inflation. The second one on estimates, which is almost the required appearance for a minister.
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And the third on, believe it or not, the pre-budget consultation. And those invitations were sent
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unanimously from the committee, from all parties, and the Minister of Finance never showed up. And that's
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why we were filibustering, because there was no belief that she would show again. And if she did,
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she was only willing to show up for an hour on a budget that projects in five, over the next five
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years, that they will spend a record $3.1 trillion. We don't think it's too much to ask that the
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minister give Parliament two hours of her precious time. She is busy doing all these important things
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like jet-setting around. Someone did an attendance check on her. Was that you who looked at the attendance
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record back to January and figured out that she's only been to the House of Commons three times?
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She had been five times in the question period, although she had been in Ottawa 13 days. She
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only chose to show up the question period on five of them. Five days? Out of 48. Five out of 48. Wow.
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Okay. Almost as bad as Justin Trudeau. Yeah. Well, we're reminded, and I reminded Liberal members of a
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very famous debate, the debate of the 2011 election, where Jack Layton, as NDP leader, questioned
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Liberal, then Liberal leader, Michael Ignatieff, and said, you've got the worst attendance record in
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Parliament, and Canadians pay you a paycheck to show up to work like they have to. Maybe you should
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show up to work. And that's what we're asking for the minister, to show up to work. Maybe she was too
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embarrassed to defend her budget? I would be if I tabled that budget. Well, yeah. I mean, only six months ago,
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before she issued an economic update last fall. And that economic update, believe it or not, and you'll
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recall this, actually projected in 26-27 a balanced budget and a slight surplus. And six months later,
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six months later, she projects a budget that has nothing in the way of a balanced budget, and in fact,
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adds $130 billion to the national debt. In six months, promised Parliament, and not unusual for
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the Liberals, promised Parliament to balance a budget six months ago, six months later, say, oops,
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sorry, didn't really mean that. Well, they also said inflation was transitory, and we had worries
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about deflation, too, and we all know how that came up. So we finally found Freeland. We did. We
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finally found Freeland. At one point, though, we were wondering if it was that we had to free Freeland.
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Right. Finding Freeland was our goal, but it was suggested at one point that maybe she wasn't
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being allowed to attend by the Prime Minister's office to defend this terrible budget, this failed
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budget. And so after we started to talk about freeing Freeland in the filibuster, we got an email
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to the committee clerk. So she was safe. Saying that she would attend. Okay. For an hour. No, no. She
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wouldn't say how much time. Okay. Well, she kept you hanging. She kept us hanging. And so she finally
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did show up this past Tuesday. It was kind of her. It was kind of her. For one hour, and at the end of
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the one hour, she said, I can spare you another 15 minutes. She's so generous. She's very generous.
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She spends us, what, what are we in this? $42 billion in the hole this year?
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$44 this year. And the first question was put to her by our colleague Adam Chambers. Very simple
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question. The question was, how much interest will we pay this year on the debt? Pretty simple
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question. But you've got to put that in context. That's right. Yes. She said you had to put it in
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context. The simple answer is $47 billion. We will spend in Canada. I shouldn't say we. But she didn't
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want to tell anybody. But she didn't want to say it. $47 billion, that's a big number to pay in
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interest. It goes to bankers. So what's that equivalent to? That's equivalent to all the money
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the federal government sends to the provinces for health care. We spend as much on paying interest
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to bankers on the debt than we pay on health care to the provinces. And remember that our debt
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is now $1.2 trillion. And if you take Trudeau Sr., who added $468 billion to our debt, and
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Junior, who's added more than $700 billion to our debt, $1.1 trillion of our debt has been
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added to Canada's payments requirement by father and son. Like father, like son. I guess sins of the
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father are the sins of the son. Well, yeah. Trudeau Sr. started the ball rolling. But isn't that
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kind of the leftist philosophy? We'll decry everyone else's wealth, but we want all of it.
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So we decide what we spend it on because, of course, you know.
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Government knows best. Government knows best. Clearly, it's not better for the people who are
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working for it, who are trying to eke out a living and maybe take a, heck, even a vacation to
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spend their money with, right? The simple pleasures in life, government should control it and tell you
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what to do. Well, you know, budgets do balance themselves, right? That's what was said in 2016.
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It was that easy. It was that easy. They would balance itself. What that meant was that the
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government revenues would grow faster than their expenditures. And through that process,
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Justin Trudeau said, through that process, the budget will balance itself. And the reality is,
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when they got in power, they found spending much more attractive than worrying about, you know,
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your credit card payments. So they've been spending much, much faster than revenue comes in. Now,
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just to put that in perspective, when the Trudeau government was elected in 2015,
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the federal government was spending $263 billion and the Harper government left that year a $1.9
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billion surplus, a $1.9 billion surplus, then they promised they would run some small deficits
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and balance the budget in 2019. And in 2019, instead of those being balanced, they ran a $20
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billion deficit. So what's all that mean? Well, the spending this year in the budget is almost $500
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billion. So they've had a 63% increase in the amount that they spend since they were elected,
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in 2015. And a budget projects the spending for the next five years as well. And it projects it
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based on the spending to date. It doesn't take into account what they may add into new spending
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next year or the year after if they're still in government. So if they don't spend a dollar
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more in new programs, and if you believe all their economic projections on interest rates and
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inflation... Because it's been so credible so far.
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Yeah, and their inflation numbers are very credible, right? They say that inflation will
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be down to 3.5% this year. For that to happen, inflation will have to be at 2% a year, 2% a
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We're over 4% now. That's not happening. And so, and then it would stay at 2%. Now,
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how does inflation stay at 2% when they're imposing a carbon tax, a carbon tax that next April
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is projected to go up 23%. So when you're increasing the carbon tax by 23%, which is a
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tax on everything, that by its nature causes inflation in addition to everything else that's
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Still deficit spending, so it didn't balance itself. So the spending has gone up 63% since
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they've been elected. Now, by the end of this five-year term, spending will have gone up 94%.
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94%. Gone from $263 billion a year under Harper's last budget to over $500 billion. Now, if you
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think that they're just doing good things for people, half the money that was spent during COVID
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It was couched in the language of COVID so they could spend it, right?
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And, you know, I'm sure the viewers know that everything is twice as good today as it was
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before since we have twice as much spending. Our healthcare is twice as good. Our roads are
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twice as good. We're twice as fast at analyzing passports. And we're really efficient at processing
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immigration applications, which I think are up around 2.4 million now.
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Yeah, I think I said over 2 million now. So while we've spent twice as much money, things
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haven't gotten twice as good for us. In fact, they've gotten worse. We know the doubling
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seems to be a habit of this government. So we know that one of the biggest things that
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Canadians are experiencing is since they've come in, not only has the debt and spending
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doubled, but housing prices have doubled. The cost of a home and the cost of renting has
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doubled under these Liberals. So if you want to see the connection, it's pretty obvious.
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As government also gets bigger. They've also hired a lot more bureaucrats.
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80,000 more bureaucrats since 2015. It is the fastest growing employment sector, in my belief.
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Which is incredible because government itself, as you fill the kind of the middle management
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and the tower, not that the towers in Ottawa have anybody in them anyway, but their job really
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is to slow things down. They create the rules, the regulations, the red tape that slows down
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business, which needs to move fast to adapt to the current needs of their customer base.
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I'll give you an example. Because 80,000 is a lot of people. What are they doing? Where
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are those people being hired? I represent a rural fishing riding in Nova Scotia. I have 7,000
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commercial fishermen in my riding. I said, so the Department of Fisheries and Oceans is critical
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to how we are able to earn a living in my community. Department of Fisheries and Oceans, in just the
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last three years, has grown by 5,000 people. So you say, well, Rick, that's only 5,000 and 80,000.
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The Department was only 10,000 people. Now it's 15,000 people in the last three years. And over 1,000 of
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those jobs went to HR and the Finance Department in Ottawa. So you never guess. Like, I worked most of my
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career in the private sector. We had HR, every company has HR departments. But this is now a
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department of 15,000 people. Guess how many people work in HR at the Department of Fisheries
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832. But, you know, they've got a lot of paychecks and stuff to manage with that fast growth of 5,000
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people. So the finance section of DFO, combined with their corporate strategy, is now over 1,000
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people in that department. 1,000 people pushing the finance papers of the 832 people in HR because,
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of course, they need all those people in HR because they're hiring so many people. Somebody's
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got to do the paperwork to get them on board. It's unbelievable. It's this growth. And I can
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tell you, it hasn't gotten 5,000 more people better. In fact, it's worse. We've got poaching
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and criminal activity happening in the fishery all over. During the strike, the police force
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for DFO, they have their own police force, is an essential service, but they refuse to
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go out in the water. Sorry, we're on strike. We're not going out in the water to enforce
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Guess what happened? Massive poaching. We've got thousands and thousands of poachers now
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illegally fishing seafood. And you may think, well, so what? But the reality is the more people you
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have fishing it unabated, the more you destroy the fishery. You destroy our oceans. You destroy
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the biodiversity. Something apparently the liberals claim to care about, but don't seem to do anything.
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Which takes a long time to replenish if it's destroyed.
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Now, I know I spoke for about an hour and a half on the fishery during this to educate my fellow
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committee members about where the money was being spent on this issue. But I think it's really
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important to understand on the issue. I mean, for a lot of people say, well, you know, isn't that a
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lot of silliness, what we were doing? Right? Talking for 18 hours to get the minister to appear for
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No. And we did get her, but she didn't answer the questions, as you said, when asked her that simple
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question on interest payments, she tried to explain to a parliamentarian how the budget
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works. She wouldn't answer, let me explain to you how a budget works. Very arrogant.
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I'm not sure she knows. But she's not, it doesn't seem like they're being briefed. And if they are,
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they just don't care what the questions are. They've just decided, and we've seen this in
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question period, it doesn't matter what the question is. You ask them what the color of the sky is,
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they'll tell you what they had for dinner last night. Like, it's like they're not even trying
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anymore. We were questioning this week in the House for a few hours, the Minister of Housing.
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You know, we have a housing crisis in Canada. The government is spending $82 billion in their
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national housing strategy. And so I asked the Minister of Housing a very simple question.
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There is an estimate of how many houses need to be built in Canada for Canada to reach housing
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affordability, right? We've got a homelessness crisis going on. We've got a rent crisis.
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I asked the Minister a simple question. How many houses need to be built for us to get to housing
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affordability and not be in a housing crisis? I think Scotiabank said $1.8 million.
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He accused me of playing politics and asking that question. Because him being able to answer,
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as a housing minister, how many houses Canada needs to build, is apparently a political question. I
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thought it was just a factual question. He didn't know. So I told him, obviously, he didn't know. And the
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president of CMHC was sitting there in the House, as you're allowed to do, and committee the whole
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rate. And they were adding sticky notes, so some answers. Yeah, little sticky notes. But I said,
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well, maybe you should get the president of CMHC to tell you because the president of CMHC put out
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an annual report this year and said, we need 3.5 million new houses in Canada for us to reach
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housing affordability. And so I said, so how many new houses were built, according to Statistics Canada,
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in the last year? Again, he couldn't answer the question. It's a pretty simple one. Anyone who follows
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the housing, knows that it's been plus or minus around this number for years, 221,000. So 221,000 new
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houses built in the last year, and we need 3.5 million. But he didn't know those two basic things.
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Either that, or he just refused to answer because he'd be too embarrassed, obviously, to admit what a
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failure their housing policy is as part of this budget. So when a budget is spending 3.1 trillion
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dollars over the next five years, 82 billion on housing, and you can't even cite the number of
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houses you need to build. Yeah, but this government, they have two speeds, big government and bigger
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government. There is no, let's make way for the private sector to do what they do best. That's not
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part of how their brain works, it doesn't seem. No, and if you read the mandate letter, so every
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minister gets a mandate letter from the prime minister, and they release it. And there's one
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line that really, I find quite humorous in the, in every mandate letter, including the housing
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minister and the finance ministers. It's that you need to focus on the big ideas, right? To me, the big...
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Right, because government has the big ideas, right? Right. To me, 3.5 million houses,
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so we don't have a housing crisis, that's a big idea. The solution, not so much a big idea.
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But apparently, the little ideas don't matter. So the little ideas like processing a passport,
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you're not supposed to concentrate on those little ideas. You're not supposed to concentrate on the
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little ideas like processing an immigration application, or processing the health checks
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for commercial pilots so that they can continue to fly. Those are the little things, right? The ante up
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at the poker game for the government to actually do its job. Don't worry about focusing on the little
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things, just focus on the big things. But it's a government of inputs, not a government of outputs.
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Yeah, but if they focused on the little things, it might make life a little bit better for the
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people paying the taxes that give the government the ability to run. Right, and people's lives might be
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easier, better. Maybe a little happier. Might have a better paycheck if they focused on the little
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things. Those are the kinds of things. You know, can I pay my rent? Can I pay my bills? Can I afford
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some food for my family? Can I save a little money for my kids' education? Those are the things that
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people worry about. But apparently, those are the little ideas. They just worry about the big ideas.
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I'm not quite sure what the big ideas are. We're still waiting. I think one of them is a tax.
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Probably. Well, a carbon tax too is coming. Again, and again, and again.
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So we're going to be hit a whole bunch more times.
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41 cents a litre is their plan. So they really want people out of their car.
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Well, they seem to really want people out of their cars. Well, I think if you live
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in downtown Montreal or downtown Toronto, and you have the opportunity to take public transit,
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that might drive you out of your car onto public transit. But there is no public transit in my four
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county riding. There is none. We have to drive everywhere. You have to drive for groceries.
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You have to drive to take your kids to school. You have to drive to take them to their activities.
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You have to go drive to see your parents. You have to drive to see your grandkids. There is no
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transit. There is no subway. There is no choice. So I have to pay the fuel charges.
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Yeah. And like in terms of the overall picture, I think government transportation is one piece of it.
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But I also look, too, at the fact that you spend, say, $400 on a car payment, right? That's
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not getting you much, right? It's basically getting you four wheels and a steering wheel.
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That's basically what's getting you. But at the end of that five year, seven year,
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you still have something you own at the end of it, right? You buy a bus pass or a transit pass,
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in that seven years, five years, you really don't own anything, right? And so it's like they're
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trying to make that separation, make it so expensive for the average person to have a
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vehicle where they can go where they want, when they want, whom they want, rather than going,
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well, the train doesn't run at this time. I can't go, right? They're taking that away. I find it's
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kind of very interesting that the government will not make the same sacrifices as the people will make
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because they will still have their limousines. They will still have their planes. They get to go where
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they want to go, when they want to go, because they're super important. Right. And most liberals
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represent an urban riding in Montreal, Toronto, and Vancouver. That's basically where their seats are.
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And so they really don't have an understanding of the country as a whole. They have an understanding,
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perhaps, to some extent, of the urban needs. But even in the urban needs, you're right. You know,
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you've got to go when the buses are running. You've got to go when the subway is running. And that
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doesn't necessarily always meet what you need to do. Especially during the pandemic, what happened,
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right? They told us one to stay off. It's pretty hard to take your kids to hockey in Toronto
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on the subway and bus. Yes, exactly. Right. Yeah. You think your life's miserable now. Wait,
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you have to take the bus to take your kids. You live in Scarborough and your kids play a hockey
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game in Mississauga. It's pretty hard to get there without a vehicle. Yeah. I would say you have to
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plan a few hours ahead. Yeah. Yeah. And then you've got to get home. Yes. And then you have to get home. Right.
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So those are the things, the little things that they don't seem to concentrate on. So, you know,
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we just wanted to ask the Minister of Finance how she thinks spending record amounts of money will
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actually reduce inflation. Because when you continue to put all this government, this money,
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it's taxpayer money, but when you continue to borrow all this money and put it out there,
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what it does is it puts all this money out into the market. So there's more dollars chasing the same
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amount of goods. And when you have that, prices go up. It's simple grade 10 economics from high
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school and which they seem to have some trouble grasping. And I don't believe their carbon tax works
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because we have no choice. But if you buy the theory, then you understand that in order for it to
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work, it has to drive dramatically the price of everything up. Because it's the increasing cost
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that is supposed to change your behavior. So on the one hand, they've designed a tax that they say
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will only work if everything becomes more expensive. But it's not their fault that everything's becoming
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more expensive. Exactly. Well, government should be here to maximize your freedoms, not control your
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behavior. Exactly. Even right down to the type of vehicle, you know, they're mandating the end of the
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internal combustion engine. The internal combustion engine is much cleaner today than it was 10 years ago.
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It'll be much cleaner in another 10 years. Toyota is working on a zero emission
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internal combustion engine. Mercedes had a diesel engine with zero emissions other than water. It
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was a little bit of water out in the diesel engine. We're there, but apparently the market
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isn't supposed to decide this. Yes, government does. Government does. And in rural areas, even if you
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wanted to have some sort of electronic vehicle, there's no charging stations, there's no power
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to get you there. So a lot of folks in my writing that are interested, they're buying hybrids. But
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hybrids are not what the government wants to buy. No, it's not. No, they want to out-subsidize China
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and other countries, maybe even the US too, to pick winners and losers.
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Well, they're doing that. And they can't do that. We can't do that. No, they can't do that because
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government's got a, I can tell you my part of the world, government's got a really bad track record
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of picking business winners and losers. We had something called Sydney Steel for a while. We had,
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we've had way back in the 1950s, the provincial government decided they would get into making
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stereos. That didn't work out very well. The provincial government in Nova Scotia thought in the 80s that the
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new latest thing would be an electronic toilet seat that would go up and down and since you were there
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and it would go up and down. So they invested taxpayer money in that, that went bankrupt.
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And a lot of people remember Brian Peckford, the premier, unfortunately a conservative premier,
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premier of Newfoundland, who decided to think that that was a good thing to try and grow cucumbers
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in greenhouses in Newfoundland year round and in the winter. And the first winter, the wind blew them
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apart because, you know, when you're on the ocean in the North Atlantic, it gets pretty windy in the
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winter. So governments really have a poor track record of picking winners and losers. There's a lot
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of other examples, but they're doing that all the time. They're trying to do that in the auto industry
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now. They're trying to do that in sporadically. The energy industry too. Yeah. Yeah. And
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and they are allowing, while they do that, they're allowing a country with very hostile
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intentions towards Canada and to the west for that matter, China, to buy up our assets. So if you
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really do believe in the green economy, you have to believe in critical minerals. Canada has one mine,
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one that produces lithium and the liberal government in 2019 allowed it to be bought by the state owned
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mining company of China. They own it. And 100% of the lithium, it's called the tanko mind of the
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lithium from that mind, gets pulled out of the ground in Manitoba and shipped to China, gets processed
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into cathodes and nanoids for EV batteries and other things in the green economy. And then as,
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as our naive Boy Scout-ish Canadians that we are, we buy it all back at full retail.
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Yes. While China's putting up more coal fired power plants than ever. Right. Every single week. Right.
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Using that cheap energy. The cheap energy. And, and, and I know that the viewers will be surprised to
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learn that our number one export to China is thermal coal to help fuel those coal stations.
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Oh, is that not a great green agenda? That is wonderful. I, we're way over time. I could keep
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going on and on. My goodness. I hate to end it like this. All right. Finish us off on an upbeat note
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here, Rick Perkins. Well, the upbeat note is that as conservatives, we're listening. We hear what people
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are saying and we're putting forward common sense policies that we're hearing from our
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communities and our constituents. So our focus is going to be squarely on those things that matter
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to people. And hopefully we'll have an election soon. We'll have a new prime minister under our leader,
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Pierre Polyev, who will bring common sense policies to the common people so we can have more powerful
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paychecks and get the government out of the way so that the private sector and individuals can do what
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they can do best, which is produce, produce jobs and growth for our economy, improving our prosperity,
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which allows us to have all those programs that we like. Absolutely. And so we'll be bringing home
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all of those great policies in the campaign that I think are going to be very popular, resonate and
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show just how out of touch and these liberals are and how out of money Canadians are as a result of
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their policies. Abundance equals peace. Absolutely. Abundance is the enemy of the Marxist. It sure is.
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And shortage equals strife. And that's what they like to do. Socialism has been tried in a lot of
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countries and it's failed 100 percent in every country. It looks great on the brochure. Put into
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practice, not so much. Not so much. Yes, that's right. All right. Rick Perkins, thank you so much for
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having us or having coming on the show. Thank you very much, Jamie, for having me. Look forward to it.
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And just keep paying attention, folks. Keep putting pressure on the liberals,
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because it does matter every time you call or put pressure on them on the mistakes that they make.
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South Shore St. Margaret says the riding. We appreciate his time. We appreciate your time as well.
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