00:00:00.000Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm
00:00:07.880your host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton Caworthal Lakes, with new
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00:00:15.960subscribe, and share this program. On today's show, we are talking about the Liberals'
00:00:20.540firearms confiscation program. It's now delayed about a year. So to get the details, we bring
00:00:26.480on the one and only bob zimmer the member of parliament for prince george peace river northern
00:00:31.380rockies thanks for coming on the show thank you jamie good to be here again and co-chair of the
00:00:35.900all parliament parliament outdoor caucus outdoor caucus so appreciate the work on on that you do
00:00:42.440but it's because of that expertise and your advocacy for legal and responsible firearms
00:00:48.260owners that we bring you on the show today to talk about a developing situation here where the
00:00:54.560government seems to be fumbling along. So the amnesty program, it's been delayed. A bit of a
00:00:59.340breather here. Yeah. So basically what's happened, it's based on a court case by the CCFR. Many of
00:01:05.460the viewers out there will recognize Rod Giltacker or Tracy Wilson, who are a big part of that
00:01:10.480organization. But they have filed a court case, an appeal of that decision. And now the court,
00:01:17.760the Supreme Court has decided to hear their case. So the way the wording is, is that it's going to
00:01:24.260be, the amnesty is going to be extended until sometime in 2027. So what that looks like,
00:01:30.280the court case has to be heard first. So we don't know how long that will take.
00:01:33.840And then a decision 90 days following that Supreme Court decision. So it gives the government quite a
00:01:39.160bit more time. I personally think it's a bad issue for the prime minister and he's just trying to
00:01:43.740punt this thing down the road, but we'll see. So let's rewind the clock a bit for if you're just
00:01:48.300an individual joining us today yes you will know that the government decided that they wanted to
00:01:54.620let's give them benefit of the doubt wanted the shootings in some of our major centers to stop
00:02:00.260let's say that's their i don't know if that's it but so they decided what can we do well let's start
00:02:06.840to look at all the firearms that are out there possible and make a list yeah and you know say
00:02:15.600whatever one looks the most scary seems to be included on the list that they're going to take
00:02:19.560away. And they started moving forward with that. They started a program out in the East Coast that
00:02:25.000got like, what, 22 firearms? Like for millions and millions of dollars. And they're trying to
00:02:31.260expand this throughout the country. But you fill us in here. You know more about this than I do.
00:02:35.620Yeah. Well, that's basically summarizes it well. It said, hey, we're going to take scary guns off
00:02:40.420the streets, because as most viewers know, crime is on the increase. It's been on the increase
00:02:45.720since 2016, and it's gotten to be a terrible situation in many of our communities, not just
00:02:51.880urban, not sort of Toronto and Vancouver and those places alone. It's reached into rural Canada and
00:02:57.380to our communities as well. So the government's response is, we're going to take away law-abiding
00:03:01.660firearms owners' firearms. And so we say that's the wrong-headed approach, because we know that
00:03:07.420the law-abiding firearms owners, people that have firearms licenses in Canada, there's over 2 million
00:03:11.420of them, dutifully follow the law and that ownership of those firearms. And we don't think
00:03:18.000they should be penalized just because they're firearms owners. So I think it's more about
00:03:22.100government and sort of left-leaning governments wanting to have gun control implemented. So,
00:03:26.940and it's a matter of time before they have all the firearms in their possession and not in law-abiding
00:03:32.900firearms owners' possession. So, I think that's the game because, again, if they really wanted
00:03:37.980to crack down on the crime on our streets and the shootings that are really happening,
00:03:42.780they would target illegal guns coming in across the border being used by criminals.
00:03:47.240So, we just, and we're just not seeing them do that.
00:03:50.060No, it seems that it's all about control too. The government wants this. The government will
00:03:55.840slam its hand down on the table and they'll start to affect law-abiding firearms owners.
00:04:02.400Let's queue up cut one. We call it confiscation for a reason because you and I did not purchase
00:04:09.140our firearms from government, right? So you can't just say, the government can't say I'm buying it
00:04:14.000back. Well, I didn't buy it from you in the first place here, but it could go to the next step too.
00:04:19.660And Tracy Wilson will talk about that. Play cut one. It's not really just about guns. It's about0.82
00:04:24.300property rights. It's about the question that you and I have beat back and forth a few times now.
00:04:29.040Can the government step into your life despite you doing nothing to deserve it and take your legally acquired property from you by force?
00:04:37.820I need to know that. And I think you need to know that, too.
00:04:40.280I think that that's a good question to ask because it asks what else is next, right?
00:04:45.580If the government can wake up one day and decide something that you own is is no longer legal, what else can they keep taking from you?
00:04:54.520yeah and that's it's a great question and just because they label it something that
00:04:58.600is scary or whatever uh doesn't you know isn't the case like um you know we said so many times
00:05:04.840that the licensed firearms owner in canada of which there's two million uh are law-abiding
00:05:10.360citizens right and there's the stat that i've said in in previous times is that so of the license
00:05:17.480holders that we have in the country uh how many are even accused of homicide per hundred thousand
00:05:22.760right? And it's only, it's less than one. They're even accused of homicide. And then compare that
00:05:27.780to the rest of the country who aren't licensed firearms owners or don't have a firearms license.
00:05:33.500The average per 100,000 that actually kill somebody or commit homicide are two per 100,000.
00:05:39.240So here they are, the government of Canada, you know, targeting some of the most law-abiding
00:05:43.760citizens that we have in the country, some of the most safest citizens that we have in the country.
00:05:48.140I mean, it's just it's wrongheaded. And again, our whole, you know, our proposal.
00:05:53.380And I think, again, what Pierre had said last election, that argument is winning the day because in places like Toronto or Vancouver, they see what we're saying is true.
00:06:02.920Because, you know, whether it's Trudeau or Carney now, they've been in government for 11 years and it's just gotten worse and worse and worse, despite all their gun control legislation.
00:06:11.800And we just know because it's been wrongly focused, it's spending millions of dollars in places where it doesn't work.
00:06:17.360and um and keeping money from things that do work yes how about fun things that are actually going
00:06:23.440to you know tighten up our borders and more police dealing with illegal uh firearms coming across the
00:06:29.220border criminals committing crimes and like you said lock these guys up keep them behind bars
00:06:34.380instead we're seeing you know the recidivism they're getting locked up for just hours and
00:06:40.060then they're released back on the streets to keep on committing crimes so that has to change and if
00:06:44.260they ever do make it to the part where they're convicted it's a lesser sentence it's the least
00:06:48.680sentence possible right so like how frustrating is that for police and that's what we saw with
00:06:53.360bill c21 this is the legislation we're talking about it's kind of based around that but c22
00:06:57.960was two days later uh from a previous liberal government that actually lessened consequences
00:07:02.740for firearms or related crimes yeah and so you know the one thing that liberals do great is they
00:07:08.540they talk in front of a camera and say a bunch of stuff but they don't really uh you know do what
00:07:13.160they lead people to believe that they're going to do so uh you know we see the right way to tackle
00:07:17.880this and it's to really lock up criminals and uh leave law-abiding firearms owners alone all right
00:07:22.640let's trip cut to we have a gentleman here from the toronto police association kind of explaining
00:07:30.480if you want the crime to go down actually address it to your point just a second ago play cut to
00:07:36.440the bomb line the city of toronto is the the gun buyback program would not have any impact on the
00:07:42.860violence we're seeing in the city. The violence we're seeing in relation to firearm offenses
00:07:47.720is essentially exclusively to a small number of gang members, thugs using illegal firearms.
00:07:55.060Most of the time they come across the border, but 90% of the 700 illegal firearms we seized
00:08:00.980last year came across the border. And most of the time people on bail are prohibited from using a
00:08:07.220firearm. And I can say in the city of Toronto, it's a very challenging thing when it comes to
00:08:12.540funding public safety. And I'm sure if you asked the Mayor of Toronto, Olivia Chow, or Chief Myron
00:08:18.820Demke of the Toronto Police Services, how they could use even a fraction of the $750 million,
00:08:24.540we'd find a lot of better ways to spend that money to actually improve public safety in our
00:08:29.780great city. Yeah, that doesn't make sense, right? Like, let's actually go after the real problem.
00:08:35.760And for some reason, control, just to show the big flex of government, I don't know, maybe it's easy, right?
00:08:45.700Maybe it's easy for them because they know law-abiding firearms owners are going to turn over it.
00:08:49.720Well, most of them will do what the law says, right?
00:08:52.240Well, yeah, and I think it looks like they're busy doing something instead of actually really doing something.
00:08:55.920You even remember from I-9 Committee, Indigenous Northern Affairs Committee, there were on how many police chiefs did we hear on First Nations communities or First Nations community chiefs that said that, look, we don't want to use already sparse resources.
00:09:11.960We already are lacking in officers and there's been numbers where they're down by 25%.
00:09:16.640They don't want to use those sparse officers to go collect somebody's guns.
00:09:20.800It's a law-abiding citizen, whether it be on reserve or not on reserve, right?
00:09:24.660So they see that it's wrongheaded, and so many, thankfully, even the Premier of Ontario has said it's wrongheaded, and we agree.
00:10:22.300Cregan said they traced some of those firearms back to the scenes of violent crimes in Canada.
00:10:28.360Now, last Friday, three men, including two Canadians, appeared in a New York court,
00:10:33.180and they were charged with smuggling after police found a suitcase packed with dozens of rifles and stolen weapons.
00:10:39.900It has long been a problem, and statistics show the majority of crime-related guns coming into Canada are from the U.S.
00:10:47.560Yeah, something we knew from the United States.
00:10:49.960But even to your point earlier, six years ago, six or so years ago, the government, the liberal government, same government, committed to making indigenous policing an essential service.