The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - The NDP “leaving” the coalition agreement with the Government.

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to the Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm

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00:00:30.360 like CastBox, iTunes, Google Play and Spotify. You name it, it is out there. Parliament has

00:00:35.080 resumes and that'll be the topic of our discussion today. We're back in session and joining me

00:00:40.340 today, our guest, kind of old news now, I guess by election winner, but great to have you,

00:00:45.040 Jamil Giovanni, Member of Parliament for Durham, my geographical next door neighbour. Great

00:00:49.160 to have you on the program. Yeah, great to be here. I'm very pumped to be back in Ottawa

00:00:52.860 and hopefully do our part to get an election going as soon as possible.

00:00:56.880 All right, let's talk election because I think that's on the tip of everyone's tongue,

00:01:00.880 everyone's mind is thinking about it, almost ready to put this government out of its misery.

00:01:05.640 And the NDP did a big flex during the dying summer months, really didn't do much, but I'd

00:01:11.260 like to get your thoughts on that. Well, of course, I think the NDP realizes that Justin Trudeau

00:01:16.680 is incredibly unpopular. And now they're trying to distance themselves from the Prime Minister

00:01:21.680 they've been propping up for years. It's the same reason why they changed their position on things

00:01:26.740 like the carbon tax. They know that they've been failing the people across this country who the NDP

00:01:32.100 claims to be fighting for. They claim to be fighting for hardworking people. They claim to be

00:01:37.380 fighting for the working class, the middle class, the unions. And they've been disappointing all of 0.68

00:01:42.600 those people across this country. And now they're trying to backtrack. And they think Canadians have

00:01:46.900 a short memory. I don't think we do. Well, it's interesting too, because the Liberal Premier

00:01:51.620 Newfoundland and Labrador is going out against the carbon tax. The Manitoba Premier, NDP, has given

00:01:58.760 residents in his province a break on the fuel tax, the provincial fuel tax. And now, to the

00:02:04.740 astonishment of, I think everybody, the NDP Premier is talking about a way out of the carbon tax in

00:02:13.360 British Columbia, which is one of the highest in the country and causing misery for a lot of

00:02:19.460 residents. It's amazing how we went from this has to happen and punishing people to, yeah, wait a

00:02:26.700 second, people's lives are a lot harder because of it. Yeah. And I think, honestly, it's because

00:02:31.300 the Liberals in the NDP have been riding high on a reputation that I would argue is undeserved,

00:02:37.660 but a reputation they've had for decades, for generations, where they're fighting for the little

00:02:41.720 guy. They're doing their part to help people who need a hand up in our society. And now that they've

00:02:47.440 been in power for nine years, and all these folks' lives have just gotten harder, the jig is up. You

00:02:53.340 can't claim that you're fighting for the working class and the middle class, as the Liberals and the

00:02:58.280 NDP have tried to do, when you're actively creating tax policies that make life less affordable for all

00:03:04.880 of those people. And I think that's what we've seen on the carbon tax issue as it's evolved,

00:03:08.800 is just more and more people realizing that this is not working. And now they don't have an

00:03:14.360 alternative. And that's the thing that's being exposed, is that the Liberals and the NDP actually

00:03:18.320 don't have an alternative. They are now just backtracking on promises they've made to their

00:03:23.240 base about caring about the environment and exposing that the carbon tax was never about the

00:03:28.680 environment, right? And it's really just- There's always been a tax plan. Yeah, it's always been a tax

00:03:31.740 plan. Yeah. And we have been saying the same thing ever since the Liberals brought in

00:03:36.520 the carbon tax. That it was, in fact, a tax plan. And that's all they had. And you're right. It's

00:03:42.600 being exposed now. And people are seeing the effects of it. Every time it goes up, the cost of

00:03:49.080 everything that is used, whether it be agriculture, transport, whatever, sees the subsequent increase

00:03:56.460 in prices. Exactly. I was raised by a single mom. I grew up in a community where a lot of kids are

00:04:02.900 raised by single moms. And I know how precarious life can be when you're in those tough economic

00:04:08.860 situations where every dollar counts. Every dollar can be the difference between whether

00:04:12.780 everybody gets to eat a full meal or not. Or every dollar can be the difference in whether

00:04:16.420 you get to pay rent or not. There's a growing number of people in this country who are going

00:04:21.060 through that right now. Even full families working hard with two incomes are going through

00:04:25.180 that right now. Food bank rates, usage rates are sky high. And so we're seeing more and more

00:04:31.220 people in these tough economic situations. And I think it's almost like the NDP liberal

00:04:36.740 coalition is having its bluff called. It's a very reasonable question for a Canadian to 0.85

00:04:41.780 ask. Why is my life getting harder as this government is in power longer? And the NDP

00:04:47.820 think they're going to be able to abdicate themselves from any responsibility for this.

00:04:51.740 I do not think that Canadians are going to let them off the hook. You propped up a carbon 1.00

00:04:55.740 tax economy for years, and you can't just disown that overnight. You've got to be held responsible.

00:05:00.900 Yeah. And I love, just as we were getting to rise this past June, a few months ago, the

00:05:06.820 NDP were trying out some new lines, right? The NDP is a vote for change, right? That's

00:05:11.860 the status quo. You're not changing anything. This is your agenda. This is what you wanted.

00:05:16.340 Yes. That is what I mean when I say they've had this reputation for decades, where they've

00:05:21.140 tried to make themselves, we're fighting the machine, we're fighting the man. And it turns

00:05:25.380 out they're the man. And they're best friends with the man. And they helped the man stay in power

00:05:29.300 for nine years. This is not fighting the man. And I think Canadians, especially young Canadians,

00:05:34.980 who know that the economy is stacked against them right now, who are anxious about whether

00:05:39.460 they'll ever be able to buy a home at any point in their adult life, they're looking at the NDP and

00:05:43.860 being like, you're not fighting the man. You're not fighting the status quo. You're not fighting for

00:05:47.380 change. And they've been exposed. And I think that's what's happened. And you see them flailing right

00:05:53.060 now, trying to figure out how to restore that reputation they used to have. But I think it's

00:05:57.460 gone. I think our party, the Conservative Party of Canada, has now taken up that mantle.

00:06:02.020 We fight for the little guy. We fight for the hardworking families. We fight for the working

00:06:06.180 class, the middle class. And we're seeing that trend grow all across Canada. As more people get to know

00:06:11.060 Pierre Polyev, they see a man who has a plan to lead this country in a way that actually creates

00:06:15.940 opportunity for those who don't have it right now. Oh, absolutely. So let's go to the press conference

00:06:19.940 where Jagmeet Singh was doing his little stunt. And let's queue up cut one. So he continued to

00:06:26.900 just deflect on the simple question, would you vote in a non-confidence vote to trigger

00:06:31.940 an election? He would not do that. So let's hear cut one.

00:06:34.260 What do you need to see from the fall economic statement or spring budget in order to support

00:06:39.060 the Liberals on votes? For any question around votes, we're going to make that determination

00:06:44.580 on a vote-by-vote basis. So we're going to see what the government presents. And as an opposition

00:06:48.820 party, we'll look at it and then we'll make our decision. But because I ripped up the agreement

00:06:52.980 with Justin Trudeau, I know this now means that election timing has become more uncertain,

00:06:58.100 more likely. And we know that that means people will have a choice to make.

00:07:03.300 So what the NDP did, I still can't understand this flex, right? Now they have no power at all.

00:07:11.140 So of course, the Bloc, Québécois, ran in, filled that gap. And so the NDP are just left in wilderness now.

00:07:20.900 The strategy, I have no idea what they were thinking. I have no idea to get in the mind of a socialist,

00:07:25.780 but that makes no sense. I can't make right or wrong of this.

00:07:28.500 Well, it seems to me that Jagmeet Singh thought this through as far as wanting to run around all

00:07:34.100 summer saying he ripped up the agreement. And talked him tough.

00:07:36.260 That was the line he wanted to deliver all across the country. You didn't really think

00:07:41.220 it through after that. So I don't think they have much of a plan. But I think you're right.

00:07:45.780 As soon as they stepped back from that agreement and the Bloc Québécois then stepped in to fill the

00:07:50.260 void, it exposed what we've been saying this entire time, which is that the Liberals could not be doing

00:07:55.700 what they're doing without another party willing to prop them up. It was the NDP. Now it's potentially

00:08:00.900 the Bloc Québécois. I don't know. But what we do know for a fact is this is not just a liberal

00:08:05.860 problem. It has been an NDP liberal problem because the Liberals just couldn't get what

00:08:10.740 they've done done without somebody else willing to have their back. And now they can say they've

00:08:15.780 ripped up the agreement all they want. I am sure we're going to give them plenty of opportunity

00:08:19.780 to vote non-confidence in Justin Trudeau and non-confidence in the Liberal government.

00:08:24.580 Let's see. Are they actually willing to back up their tough talk or is this all a show? Many people

00:08:29.940 will call this a stunt. We'll see if that's what it is or not. But that might wind up being the most

00:08:34.340 accurate way to describe what Jagmeet Singh is up to. Well, let's see if they get a backbone. Let's

00:08:38.500 keep up cut two here. So this is Melanie Jolie, the Foreign Affairs Minister, who I think is doing a

00:08:43.380 terrible job and can't get her messages straight on what's going on in the Middle East, saying that

00:08:47.780 Canadians want them to govern. Play cut two. Canadians don't want elections. They just want us to do the

00:08:54.100 job. They just want us to govern. And that's what we're doing. We're governing. We're taking tough

00:08:59.940 decisions. Why? Because times are tough. And so, wait, wait, let me finish. I'm speaking.

00:09:09.220 So, um...

00:09:10.260 He's got to have that hard close at the end. But times are tough. Well, who's been in charge

00:09:15.380 the last nine years? Let me think.

00:09:17.060 Yeah. I mean, you know it's bad when a Liberal minister is having an uncomfortable moment with

00:09:22.020 the media. Because usually it's smooth sailing. Yeah, what's your favorite color for breakfast?

00:09:27.620 Yeah. But even the media is having to ask him some questions now. I mean, the reality is this. We just,

00:09:33.300 this week, will have the newly elected Member of Parliament from Toronto, St. Paul's, Don Stewart,

00:09:38.580 the first Conservative to be elected there in 30 years, joining our caucus, being here in Ottawa. And that

00:09:44.820 is a sign of how much even people who voted Liberal for a long time have lost confidence in this

00:09:49.780 government. They can say that Canadians want them to govern. I would say most Canadians believe they're

00:09:55.060 governing poorly. They're making bad decisions. And that is why people want change. There are real

00:09:59.780 problems in this country. And when we talk about things like the carbon tax, or we talk about housing

00:10:04.100 construction, or stopping crime, the reason Canadians want an election is because we have problems that

00:10:08.900 need to be fixed. And this current government's not fixing them.

00:10:12.180 Well, prior to Don Stewart's by-election in Toronto, St. Paul's, it was yours.

00:10:16.740 You must have heard all that at the doors, right? You could hear and see and sense there was a

00:10:22.260 bubbling under the surface that a lot of people are feeling a little anxious about the economy and

00:10:27.060 the direction of the country. Yes. And even people who would say to me straight up that they voted

00:10:31.460 Liberal their entire life, or they voted NDP their entire life, we're talking retired union workers,

00:10:36.660 or people who recently moved to Durham from places like Toronto, and they would say, we need a change.

00:10:42.740 I mean, there clearly needs to be a change right now. And they're not saying it because they're

00:10:46.900 obsessed with politics. This is not about politics for them. This is about their families. This is about

00:10:51.460 what is the country we're leaving behind for the next generation, and genuine concern over the

00:10:56.980 direction of this country. That is what I detected when I was knocking on door after door after door,

00:11:02.020 when we were at community events, even throughout the summer. It was my first summer as an MP,

00:11:06.980 I was running around as MPs do during summer time, trying to meet as many people as possible. And

00:11:13.540 the number one message people had is, we need change. The status quo is not working. And that is

00:11:19.540 the burden that Canadians are carrying right now, feeling like, man, what's happening? Where are we

00:11:25.220 going from here? We're trending downward in so many metrics, and we need confidence that we have a

00:11:30.420 government that can actually make that change. They do not have that confidence in the current government.

00:11:34.900 And one thing that did jump up was the unemployment rate. But more specifically,

00:11:39.620 the youth unemployment rate is higher than I think many are comfortable with.

00:11:44.420 Absolutely. It's so frustrating to see that for years and years and years,

00:11:50.340 the Liberal Party has tried to make any conversation about immigration policy a matter of race.

00:11:56.980 Even though people from all across the spectrum of different cultures and backgrounds want to have

00:12:02.420 a serious conversation about immigration. As soon as we start pointing out the consequences that

00:12:08.260 temporary foreign worker programs, high rates of student visas are having on the labor force,

00:12:13.220 the amount of young people not getting access to opportunity because of the logjam in the labor market,

00:12:18.660 all of a sudden, the Liberals want to say, oh, we need to pivot on immigration. There have been people

00:12:23.140 making this point for a long time. And the Liberals are the ones pointing a finger in their face and

00:12:27.700 saying, you're a racist for even asking a question. They were shouting down any time you talked about

00:12:31.380 that. And now they want to- again, it's the same thing we're seeing with Jagmeet Singh. These guys

00:12:35.220 who've been in power for years think that we all have short memories. Like we're all goldfish. We can't

00:12:39.380 remember. Wait, weren't you the one who just made this decision two years ago? And now you want to

00:12:43.780 disown it and pretend that we don't remember that you were there every step of the way when things got worse.

00:12:48.980 So these guys think they're going to evade accountability. And the reason why Canadians want an election

00:12:53.300 is to hold them accountable and to bring in change. And that is what we're going to do.

00:12:57.700 Well, I remember there was the talk when the Liberals many, many years ago released the requirement for

00:13:05.620 visas for visitors from Mexico coming into Canada. And the warnings were people saying there's warnings about

00:13:13.460 this. Like, just be weary. The Liberals during the summer put that back on. They did a whole bunch

00:13:19.060 of things, brought in some of Jason Kenney's policies when he was minister back under their

00:13:23.540 Harper about companies requiring a certain amount of domestic workers before they can even think about

00:13:29.780 going to a temporary foreign worker or a foreign worker through different permits, etc. And again,

00:13:36.340 like you just said, these voices were shouted down when they were brought up as reasonable arguments

00:13:41.860 against a Liberal position. Yeah. And that's what they do. It's the same thing that happened with

00:13:46.100 the carbon tax. They said, oh, you don't care about the environment. It's like, what? We don't want

00:13:50.820 people having to pay an increase in their grocery bill every month, their home heating bill every month.

00:13:55.620 We have construction companies saying the carbon tax is making it more expensive to build the houses

00:14:00.100 that Canadians need. And they want to say that this is an environmental issue. What we've said all along,

00:14:05.780 you have a tax plan, not an environmental plan. But this is what they do. They put people who have

00:14:10.500 reasonable objections to their bad policies in a corner. And they're used to people being afraid to push

00:14:15.620 back. But now we've got a growing movement, a beautiful growing movement across Canada that is now saying,

00:14:21.780 we're tired of it. And we're not putting up with this anymore. You're not going to bully us.

00:14:25.460 You're not going to call us names. You're not going to point a finger in our face and get us to be afraid of

00:14:29.460 telling the truth. And the truth is that the country needs change. And that is why we need an election.

00:14:34.980 And as soon as they give Canadians the opportunity to vote, I am very confident that Canadians will send

00:14:40.420 that message loud and clear from coast to coast to coast. Change is needed.

00:14:44.500 Well, it seems like a couple of surveys during the summer pointed that out. Like, I think people have tuned out

00:14:49.540 the prime minister, they've tuned out the Liberal Party, and they're just waiting to put this government

00:14:53.700 out of its misery in the election.

00:14:55.300 Well, I mean, you even have Liberal MPs who are saying publicly that they don't even have confidence

00:15:00.020 in their leader. I mean, that would be the interesting thing. In a non-confidence vote,

00:15:03.700 will all the Liberals even vote to keep their own leader?

00:15:06.980 To keep their jobs, I don't know.

00:15:08.580 There's a growing number of people on their side who are saying,

00:15:13.060 recognizing their party is not getting the job done. And Justin Trudeau is a failed prime minister.

00:15:17.700 So yeah, look, I know I'm not the only MP who's coming back to Ottawa this week saying,

00:15:24.580 the number one sentiment from my constituents is, please give us an election now. And I agree with

00:15:30.900 them. I would love to have this election as soon as possible.

00:15:33.620 Yeah, I heard the same thing too. I have a few more topics to get in with you, but unfortunately,

00:15:37.540 we're out of time. It seems to always go fast.

00:15:40.340 Maybe you'll invite me back and we can continue the conversation.

00:15:42.980 Well, it's a little nerve wracking. A former broadcaster being interviewed. I don't know what

00:15:47.540 it was like on the other side. Did you find it okay?

00:15:50.100 Yes. Great questions. Great clips.

00:15:52.180 Great clips. Yes.

00:15:53.140 You have to say that because you don't want to insult the host.

00:15:56.100 I appreciate it.

00:15:57.140 All right, Jamil. Thank you very much for coming on the show. Really appreciate it. We'll get you

00:16:00.180 back on. We'll talk about a few more things.

00:16:01.620 Awesome.

00:16:02.100 We can really dive into, especially the economy. A little shaky out there right now.

00:16:05.220 Yeah. Jamil Javani, Member of Parliament for Durham,

00:16:07.380 Mike Geographical. Next door, a neighbour. We appreciate his time. We appreciate yours as

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - September 17, 2024

The NDP “leaving” the coalition agreement with the Government.

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