The race to replace Trudeau.
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In this episode, we bring on Eric Duncan from Eastern Ontario to talk about the lack of leadership from the Liberal leadership race, the ongoing trade war with the United States, and why it's time for a new government.
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Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprint. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
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host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton Corps with Alex Brock with new content
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made available. The Liberal leadership race is in full swing. Parliament's still prorogued. What
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else is new? Thanks, Justin Trudeau, to talk about this and much, much more. We bring on Eric Duncan
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from Eastern Ontario. Thanks for joining us. Stormont, Glengarry. Ah, Stormont, Dundas,
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that's still here. You've got a big bit like Halliburton Corps with the Lake Project. It's a
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great big long. Eastern Ontario has got these long writing names that we're representing here today.
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Yes, I think I always get your writing wrong, so I think I would continue the tradition today.
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Why change? Exactly, exactly. Well, thanks for coming on. Thanks for having me. There's lots
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going on. 2025 has been an interesting year in politics, and we're three weeks in. Oh my goodness.
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Yes, the tariffs threat is still looming. It's been pushed back a bit. Our last show, it was
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filmed before the inauguration. We've got a bit of a reprieve here, but just a terrible time for
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Parliament to be out of session. Absolutely terrible. And the Liberals not focused on anything
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happening around the world, just on themselves. Agreed, and this is going to be going on for another
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two months. Parliament's not back. At a time, if we ever need a Parliament to sit, to go on and have
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an emergency response to what's going on in the United States, the threat of tariffs going on,
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where we need leadership. We have a lame duck Prime Minister, and we have a paralyzed or a shut
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down Parliament in this case. We've been shut down for months and paralyzed in the sense that the
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Liberals are hiding from their green slush fund accountability and documents to the RCMP.
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And now we're prorogued at a time when we're supposed to be back this week. And Canadians
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are looking where it's another two months for the Liberals to sort their chaos and mess out.
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And we just want an election. Canadians should have their say now. It might be months yet before
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we have that. And I just think right now, Donald Trump looks at Justin Trudeau, looks at the Liberal
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Party and is just laughing right now. And that's very dangerous for our economy and for jobs in the
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country. Absolutely. We saw how fast the Trump administration is moving on tariffs.
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And threats to other countries. And Canada is not spared from this. Our auto industry is in
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deep trouble if he moves forward with that. Oh, agreed. Very worrisome on that front. And again,
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not having the leadership. We have premiers that are stepping up, meeting and trying to provide,
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going down to Washington, D.C. But again, we have ministers, we have Liberal MPs that are
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completely distracted. They're focused on themselves and their leadership race is starting to bicker back
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and forth. And at a time when we need to be, again, just completely focused on the Canada-U.S.
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relationship, it's completely absent and devoid of all that. So it just, we need to bring,
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Pierre Paliap came out very clear. Let's bring, recall Parliament back now. Let's start to address
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these issues now. Frank, let's have an election now so Canadians can have their say. A government can get
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a mandate and we can restore common sense among many things. But again, restore some leadership
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here to go toe-to-toe and be ready to retaliate against anything that Donald Trump and the United
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States decide to do. We need to be prepared. We need to be organized. And I think, frankly,
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we need a Prime Minister that has the credibility and the trust of Canadians. And that is far from the
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situation right now. Yeah, there's been a number of polls lately. The majority of Canadians believe we
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need an election. The majority think that we are going in the wrong direction. I think it's time,
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way past time, for an election. And you know what? With the new administration of the United States,
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and if it does become a majority parliament, that gives that four years to work with that
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administration to work out the challenges ahead. A mandate. A mandate to go ahead and how we're
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going to confront the challenge of the U.S. among many other things. This is the thing, too, of where
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Donald Trump's election the last couple of months has obviously put this on the front burner.
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But think as well, Jamie, all the other issues we're still dealing with domestically,
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our housing mess, our broken immigration system, our still cost of living, cost of food,
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two million people using a food bank every month. We've got domestic challenges that have happened
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because of Justin Trudeau and all these Liberal MPs and ministers the last nine years. Now we have
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this other threat. And here we are two months yet before the House comes back, before we could
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actually even have a non-confidence vote or even give, you know, the idea of having an election,
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but a mandate, a fresh mandate on all the issues we've got. I'm very confident of our position.
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Pierre, as our leader, has been doing fantastic work and being very clear on what we would do as a
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common-sense conservative government. But even if you don't want an election right now, why anybody
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would not want that if you should be wanting to get a mandate from Canadians to go and combat the
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So we do have many problems, plus, what, $62 billion in the hole on the credit card this year?
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Last year, sorry. That is unbelievable. All right. So one of the people in the leadership race is,
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of course, Karina Gould. She's the House leader. She's responsible for the agenda of the government
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and largely responsible in part, I shouldn't say largely, in part responsible for this backlog,
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the rain slush fund, the presentation of documents issue that we were dealing with to try to get to
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the bottom of that scandal. She's running for leadership. And she just feels really
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compassionate and really just energized to get to the bottom of what just happened the last
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nine years. Let's keep up, cut one. And this is Karina Gould, the House leader,
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really wants to get a hold of the person responsible. Play, cut one.
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Canadians don't trust the Liberal Party of Canada right now. And I think that's because over the past
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couple of years in particular, we've gotten further away from the grassroots and talking about the
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things that Canadians care about. So what don't they trust about the Liberal Party? And how would
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you correct that? Yeah. Well, look, whether it's with regards to housing or the cost of groceries,
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they're saying things are expensive for us right now. And we need help to make ends meet. And we need
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leaders who are focused on those really, you know, like things that matter to us, like our pocketbook
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issues and making sure that we're there. Sounds like our message. And she defended the Liberal
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narrative all the way through. The gall that she has. And I said, watch that clip. You'd think that
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the Liberal Party right now is in third place or in the corner of the House of Commons with a couple
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dozen MPs. And they're just trying to find out whose problem it was for the last nine years that
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created all of this. They're trying to reinvent themselves and talk about in Karina Gould as the
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government house leader. Canadians not trusting them. She's the one that has paralyzed Parliament
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before it was shut down by Justin Trudeau. She was the one that paralyzed Parliament for months
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as the government house leader because they refused to turn over all the documents about the $400 million
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Green Slush Fund. So you talk about Canadians not trusting the Liberals. She is one of the most
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complicit in this. And it's not just been Justin Trudeau. It has been every leadership contender that is
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running in this race. Every Liberal MP and Minister, they've been at the Cabinet table. They've been in
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the caucus room. They're the ones that have been voting for all these voting confidence, voting for
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the budgets, and propping the Prime Minister up even as he got more and more and more unpopular. So
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I think the confidence she had to try to give that answer, she's one of the ones, you know, the main
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factors that Canadians don't trust the Liberals. And you can change the leader out, but Justin Trudeau and
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the record of the last nine years, that's going to be on the ballot. And so laughable, this approach
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they're trying to take. It is incredible. And I said it many times before on different Liberals,
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the way they talk, there is absolutely no discomfort. You see, like, there's no, no issues.
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Like, when people go shopping, they look at their bill, like, they're the problem, not the
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government, right? She's just like, well, you know, cost of living is out of control. But we've told
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them that for, I don't know, how many years now? And as if there was something they could have done
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in the last nine years, they're not done in a lot of cases. The carbon tax, their housing
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plan, that's been an absolute disaster and doubled everything in housing costs. Our immigration
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system that they broke and they've admitted, they've even started, they just backtrack.
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At what point do you completely lose credibility? It is gone. At what point do you lose, you know,
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any sort of just, I think, dignity in yourself, that way of going out? They've backtracked on
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everything. And now going out and just making that blanket statement that they don't trust,
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they're even admitting now what Canadians have known. They don't trust the Liberals. I don't
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think a leadership race is going to change this. Because again, every person running is tied very
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closely to Trudeau. And they're the ones that have backed up all these plans that have got us in the
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mess that we're in. Yeah, it's the same bus, same route, same company. They're just changing the
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driver. Exactly. So the two top ones, I guess, if you can call it that, is Chrystia Freeland. Of course,
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she said she believes the Prime Minister should be an MP. The quick screenshot there.
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She looks like she is not garnering the support that she thought she would. There's a number of
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her cabinet colleagues who are going towards Mark Carney. Mr. Outsider. Yeah, the opposite of an
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outsider, just behind the scenes advising, again, Trudeau and the $62 billion deficit we've got.
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It was Chrystia Freeland had no problem with any of this until Justin Trudeau told her he was going to
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fire her the following week. So again, they had a guardrail of $40 billion, which is an excessive
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deficit for Canada to have as it was. That was going to be the guardrail. They blew right past
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it at $62 billion. And the list goes on. The capital gains tax hike they're putting on small
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businesses and home builders and doctors, everybody that's going to be paying this ripple effect of
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another tax increase. She tried to backtrack on that. Now, the carbon tax, you're not sure where
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they all stand, but you don't trust any of them. This is all posturing for people's votes in a
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leadership race and then an election at some point this year, hopefully this spring or as soon as
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possible. But again, the lack of conviction that Chrystia Freeland is having, let's make it very
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clear. If Justin Trudeau didn't call her on Zoom on that Friday and told her he was going to fire her
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for Mark Carney. So Mark Carney had agreed to become the finance minister. He agreed with all these
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economic plans and the deficit and everything. This outsider Mark Carney, the only reason that she quit
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and all of a sudden is backtracking and changing her position is because she was going to get fired.
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So I think Canadians don't buy this. And again, it speaks to the desperation the Liberals have
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and their lack of conviction on things. Now they're trying to reverse course. They're trying to pretend
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there's something they're not. And I think as opposed to helping them, I think Canadians just shake their
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head and say, this is a party that's just falling apart, trying to run away from Justin Trudeau. But as
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we've been saying that they're just like Justin and Chrystia Freeland is no different.
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Well, Freeland's now backtracking on the carbon tax. I guess they all are. But now we have Freeland
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talking about the changes she wants to make back on the capital gains tax increases. Like this is
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something that was her champion. How many times did she stand in the House of Commons, defend it
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to her last breath and said, it's going to be great. We're, you know, taxing the wealthy or whatever
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her lines were. And, and we said steadfast that this is going to damage the economy and our overall
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And one of the most arrogant, and I think undemocratic things about all of this was
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Chrystia Freeland was finance minister only up until a few weeks ago. CRA, despite, and this is the
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one thing for Canadians to know, this never passed in legislation. The Liberals were so disorganized
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in chaos about everything. Going back over several months now, it's nearly been a year since they
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announced this plan for the capital gains tax hike, and they never passed or tabled any legislation
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that got through. So now what Freeland's trying to do is saying, oh, I'm against it. But it was
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officials at CRA, even though the bill never passed Parliament, never became law, they're still going
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ahead and got the Liberal directive to enforce it and start, you know, taking those increased tax
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hikes from Canadians. So it didn't even pass it. They couldn't even be organized. They're forcing
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and demanding that CRA collect this tax hike from Canadians. Now she's going out and saying
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she opposes the whole thing. It's a farce. The issues just go on and on and on. But the same
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thing at the end of the day, they just, they're not going to be able to get away from their record
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of propping Trudeau up. This is just another example. Nobody buys it.
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And it's really difficult for Canadians who have to sit back and take this day in and day out,
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because when a government's desperate, they make really desperate decisions. And we're seeing that.
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And I call it pendulum politics now. They're swinging all over the place, trying to run away
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and get attention or try to drive attention away from what we've been saying is, look,
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I love the analogy about the bus driver, right? It's the same bus, same route, different driver.
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And this is the same. It's the same group of Liberal MPs, the same group of Liberal ministers.
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They've all been there every time. It's been Carney being the key economic advisor to Trudeau.
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He did it through the Liberal Party of Canada. So he didn't have to do all these ethics disclosures
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and all these conflicts and interests that he has, but going and giving all this advice
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and now pretending that they're a bunch of outsiders and they're all brand new.
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They're running as if they're like they're the third place party and they have had nothing to do
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with the last nine years. It is, it's just ridiculous. And so it's going to be weeks and weeks
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more of this chaos and drama and backtracking that they have, all while we lack the leadership
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we need to confront the problems that we've got.
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Well, let's bring in the outsider here. Cut two. Mr. Carbon Tax Carney, the outsider,
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he's coming in a champion for the little guy, this guy. Play cut two.
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You say you're the outsider, but it looks like the party establishment is lying up behind you.
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It's the issue of deputies, elected members, ministers, others, liberals across the country
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who are making a choice and are making a choice about the importance of the economy,
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the importance of coming together, building together. That's a free choice.
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This is the Liberal Party. We believe in freedom.
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A bunch of liberal word salad that means nothing. Virtue signaling all over. And again, he's going
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to make a natural liberal leadership contender.
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He's going to be beautiful. He can lie with the best of them.
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And he'd never answer a question. Just a bunch of word salad and virtue signaling. And you leave
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Well, you know, the reporter, Bob Fyfe, was correct. When he asked the question, you're claiming
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to be the outsider, but yet it looks like the establishment of the party, the prime minister's
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office, his top staff, the machinery in general, are all lining up behind the outsider, Mr. Carbontax.
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The best part of that clip was, as you see the people in the background, they're all liberal
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ministers and MPs that supported Justin Trudeau, voted with him in caucus, did all these disastrous
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plans. They're the ones trying to shield him from answering questions in the media and get him
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into this event in downtown Ottawa to meet a bunch of liberal MPs and liberal staff that,
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again, have been all part in propping up Trudeau the last nine years. So the irony of that,
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trying to convince Canadians he's an outsider, I'm not one to give advice and try to understand
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where they come from. But of all the arguments Mark Carney can make, he is far from an outsider.
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And that's just a frank reality. It's carbon tax Carney, because he, again, have the nickname
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and we connect people. Whenever you're the economic advisor, that means you're giving the
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advice on the $62 billion deficit, on quadrupling the carbon tax to 61 cents a liter. And now only
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what a vote is upcoming in a leadership race, and then in a general election that's coming
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sooner rather than later, they're trying to run away and pretend the last couple of years. So
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you can't claim and brag to be an economic advisor, to be an outsider, and not have anything to do with
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these plans. So again, the credibility right off the bat of the contenders, Mark Carney, no different.
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He's been very close to Trudeau, and he's been very associated. He's had no problems with any of
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the plans until he had to talk publicly about them. Well, exactly. And I think what their messaging is,
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is because he's an outsider, they're hoping to tap into those voters that might not pay attention,
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right? They have lives, they have better things to do, play politics 24-7, right? And so there's
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a large swath of people that don't know who Mark Carney is, probably don't care until up until
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really now. So if they hear he's an outsider and really don't know much about him, I think that's
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their winning bet. But meanwhile, he's the most elitist individual in that group.
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I agree, 100%. And this is the thing, too, what we have to do. We've got to call it out,
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and that's what we've been doing, to say, no, he is not an outsider, and accurately calling him
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out for what he is. He's an insider. He's an Ottawa elite that has been doing all this behind
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the scenes, but advising Justin Trudeau, and he's bragged about it. There's been numerous examples.
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He's been bragging about the carbon tax. That's why we give the name Carbon Tax Carney,
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is because we have to remind people he's going out now, and look at this, he's got the radical
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environment minister, Stephen Guibault, one of the most unpopular elected officials in the entire
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country, endorsing Mark Carney. He's been the king of the carbon tax himself, and now saying,
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well, no, we don't support the carbon tax, but we're going to replace it, but we're not going
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to tell you what it is yet. All this to be said is, Mark Carney has been planning a leadership run
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for years in the back rooms of Ottawa and Toronto and Bay Street. Now, all of a sudden,
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he comes out and he doesn't have a plan. That is just code for we're going to lie all the way up
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until the election and hope for the best. And then after the election, if they got back in,
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heaven forbid, they'd go in, they'd say, oh, now Guibault's going to come back and say, well,
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we've got to do this. And they broke their promise before, Jamie. Think about it. Back in 2019,
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when the carbon tax first came in, the Liberals promised it was only going to be $50 a ton,
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and they wouldn't, Canadians couldn't afford any tax increases beyond that. Well, they went and did
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it over $170 a ton, and that's part of this whole plan of quadrupling it, the carbon tax to 61
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cents a leader. They broke their promise after the election, and Canadians were, you know,
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tricked and duped into doing it. I think, again, in 2015, 2019, 2021, again, you can change the
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leaders, but Canadians aren't going to trust. They're going to flip-flop again right after
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the election if they get back in. Well, let's play, let's queue up cut three. This,
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in normal circumstances, would be the kiss of death for many leadership contestants. Liberals,
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they work under a different set of rules and different set of parameters here. So this is the
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environment minister, like you said, probably the most radical on that front bench, giving his
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endorsement to Mr. Outsider Carbon Tax Carney, play cut three. I'm here to tell you today that I
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will be offering my support to Mark Carney. The fact that you're not very popular in Western Canada,
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especially in Alberta and Saskatchewan, how is your support going to benefit Mr. Carney in this race?
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Um, I, I think I'm probably popular in parts of the country and popular in, in, in others. I'm not
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sure I'm the best person to, to, to answer that, that question. I'm going to do everything I can
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and help in any way I can, uh, to, to make sure that Mark Carney is, is the next leader of the
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Liberal Party. Probably my least favorite minister. Just saying. I can answer that question. He is not
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popular anywhere in the country. I don't think so. He was the guy who was going to quit cabinet if there
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were any more carve outs to the carbon tax. So you have Mark Carney saying, well, we'll have to
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rethink this. And he is, uh, Stephen Guilbeau is offering his endorsement to the, the outsider. So
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what do they have up their sleeve? So you're right. They are either lying or whatever they're coming up
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with is worse. Cause otherwise he wouldn't get that endorsement. Talk about a hidden agenda.
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It is right, very clearly. Why would Guilbeau sign on to a candidate that says he's going to get rid
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of the carbon tax. And again, Mark Carney has been touting the carbon tax and actually saying
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it's not high enough and not going up fast enough. And now all of a sudden saying they're going to get
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rid of it and come up with something new, but they're not going to say what it is and how they're
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going to do it. The NDP have been playing the exact same thing. Jagmeet Singh knows how unpopular and
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failed the carbon tax is. So several months ago said, yeah, we don't support the carbon tax anymore,
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but we're going to take the time and figure out a new plan. It's been several months and we've heard
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radio silence from the NDP on their position on this, but this is all we've seen this textbook
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before. This is what liberals do. They just go and they MacGyver themselves and they try to trick
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Canadians just to get through the election period. And then afterwards go and say, oh, well, you know,
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we've got to do this or we didn't mean it. And they backtrack. They've done that several times in
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the carbon tax. They've done it. No more tax hikes, the capital gains. And they say only the rich will pay.
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It is absolutely not the truth. It is doctors. It is home builders. It is small business owners
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all getting nailed with this. And they try to seek forgiveness afterwards. So I look at Gibo,
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you know, the most, you're right, the most radical minister. He was arrested climbing the CN Tower back
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in the day. And again, he was actually on record whenever they had this whole $170 a ton metric that
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they broke their promise on and put it. When it went, their whole plan to quadruple the carbon tax
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from the current rates to $0.61 a litre. Gibo said he wasn't even sure if he was to be done at that.
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He was open to increasing it and jacking up the carbon tax even more after that. So you're right.
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What did they, what did Mark Carney promise Stephen Gibo to get his endorsement in the leadership race?
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And the fact that he hasn't come up with an alternative yet, this tells you everything about the
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integrity. And I think where this race is going, they're trying to run every which way away from
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their record. Well, I guess Gilbo's endorsement of Carney does fit some narrative, right? Like
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Carney is okay with pipelines as long as they're not built in Canada. And Carney moved his company
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from Ontario into New York, well, New York City, you know, taking those jobs with it, right? And then
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he wants to profess he is the savior of this country. Yeah. And all while trying to get more
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money. So they need in the budget and the fall economic statement that the chaos that got tabled
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because Freeland had quit and the chaos of that day, he's like, he's got his handout trying to get
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handouts for his company from the federal government as well. So again, between the hypocrisy is outstanding.
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You know, I give them an A for all of that, where they can go out so confidently and just make it look
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so smug. But at the end of the day, they're just all over the map on their positions. And that's
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where I just say, get this race over with, let Canadians have a say right now, get Parliament back,
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let Canadians have, nothing's going to change over the two months. They're going to backtrack
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and they're going to, you know, just try to reverse this whole perception. But again, very clear,
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the next election, Justin Trudeau will be on the ballot because the record of the last nine years
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is going to be on there. And Canadians cannot be fooled and they won't be fooled. We're going to make
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sure that they know about the positions, the mess that we're in. And again, I think caught flat-footed
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when it comes to the issues in the U.S. and tariffs and the response of Donald Trump, we were caught
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completely, completely flat-footed. And it's going to cost and sadly worry many Canadians about their jobs
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and some of the key industries we have in this country.
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Well, hopefully Jagmeet Singh will keep his word. We'll vote down the government at the earliest
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opportunity and we'll be into an election. But hey, as the airing of the show, that is Jagmeet Singh's
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position. Who knows if that's going to change three minutes from now?
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Exactly. We'll see what it brings. A week's an eternity in politics. Who knows? Between the
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All right. We're pretty much out of time. As you know, the guests get the last word. The floor
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Well, again, this week we were supposed to be back in Parliament. Committees were supposed to be
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back. Question period is supposed to be back. And here we are shuttered. Shut out for the
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next two months at a time that we need it the most. So, again, I support the call. We
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should have Parliament back now. At a time when the House should be sitting, at a time
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when we should be getting a plan and showing leadership, I think it's time for a carbon
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tax election, get the House back, and I think have a common sense Prime Minister in Pierre
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Polyev that we can start to address. Like I said before, confronting this major emergency
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situation we have with the United States and President Donald Trump, but also starting to
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address the many challenges we've been talking about for two years, and now Liberal leadership
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contenders agreeing with us. Axing the tax, building the homes, fixing the budget, and stopping
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the crime. There's a lot we have to do. Let's get Canadians to have their say. Let's get a new
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Eric Duncan, the Member of Parliament for Stormont, Dundas, South Glengarry. We appreciate your time.
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