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00:00:36.560 canadian oil and gas but do the liberals have a plan to get it there to talk about this and much

00:00:42.100 much more we bring on the one and only shannon stubbs the member of parliament for lakeland also

00:00:47.020 the critic for natural resources thank you so much for coming on the show thanks jamie thanks for

00:00:51.480 having me and i have no idea how you just said all of that at one time it is pure luck you know we

00:00:58.660 can't do it again it's almost like your expert you've done it a few times once or twice once

00:01:02.360 or twice uh canadian oil and gas you represent a province that has a lot of it unfortunately there

00:01:08.700 are some obstacles getting it there let's talk about the obstacles the federal government's putting

00:01:14.120 in front of it okay this is this is absolutely insane you and i worked together on the natural

00:01:18.380 resources file for a few years uh and since 2015 when we were both elected we were calling for

00:01:24.280 more of energy from alberta getting out to tidewater but the liberals have stopped that and had a few

00:01:31.140 other plans of their own yes well isn't aren't we in a topsy-turvy world having gotten elected together

00:01:37.800 in 2015 and have been fighting the entire time against the liberals every step of the way after they

00:01:46.240 brought in one bill one policy and gave one message after another for year after year after year for

00:01:53.800 the last lost anti-development liberal decade that was about keeping resources in the ground about

00:01:58.960 telling the world there's no business case for lng they were clearly the only people in the world who

00:02:03.540 thought that and how many world leaders came yes exactly dozens dozens dozens of our allies dozens who

00:02:10.400 for clear geopolitical security reasons that are also important to north america and to canada

00:02:16.100 wanted canadian lng and it is exactly because the liberals turned them away and stalled delayed and

00:02:24.060 killed dozens of lng proposals that were on the table when they took office in 2015 that they let

00:02:30.460 canada fall behind and in that same time period the united states became the world's top lng exporter

00:02:36.880 mexico raised a race ahead of us and our allies have been forced to sign deals with you know

00:02:43.780 countries like qatar that hide hamas and um obviously don't have anywhere near the environmental

00:02:50.060 safety standard governance um or environmental labor safety or governance standards that canada has

00:02:57.720 and of course in so many of those countries unlike canada where the responsible development of all

00:03:02.740 natural resources and specifically oil and gas benefits every single canadian across the country

00:03:07.840 because it delivers billions of dollars of tax revenue to all three levels of government to provide

00:03:13.280 those programs and services that all canadians value that's not what happens in other countries

00:03:19.300 where there's authoritarian development of oil and gas where the benefits go to a wealthy few none of

00:03:26.040 those countries of course self-impose any of these anti-development laws policies and taxes

00:03:30.980 um on them the way the liberals have inflicted on canada well just because you mentioned i just want

00:03:36.920 to remind people and kind of paint this picture because this gets left out a lot of the conversation

00:03:41.620 um for the most part when uh the nordstrom pipeline was was completed and germany started buying their

00:03:47.900 energy from from russia that fueled and paid for the war in ukraine it was only after the fact the

00:03:54.060 german chancellor came to canada kicked to the curb by justin trudeau and as you mentioned signed a

00:03:58.760 multi-billion dollar deal for uh qatar's energy yeah right like why do we not create the jobs the

00:04:06.680 opportunity the wealth rate i think that's what canadians have been asking for 10 years and

00:04:10.540 unfortunately i think now because of external threats that canada faces because of geopolitical

00:04:17.900 shifts because of all of these growing conflicts and instability canadians know for sure without a

00:04:23.960 doubt now that canadian energy self-sufficiency self-reliance and security also means canadian

00:04:29.740 food job and national security and what is i think really rewarding to see of course is that

00:04:35.700 the latest data shows a super majority of canadians support uh pipelines and support responsible energy

00:04:42.900 development in canada for canadians by canadians 79 percent of canadians overall say they want pipelines

00:04:49.160 eight over 80 percent of quebecers say they want pipelines from western canada instead of being stuck

00:04:54.580 with foreign oil that of course has been the case over the last decade as well but those liberals would

00:05:00.200 never admit it right because it went against their own narrative but no just i find it no discomfort

00:05:05.080 no personal discomfort for all the the liberals who were there during the trudeau years many of them

00:05:10.620 are still in the front bench and voted against or sorry for barriers to access to development yes every

00:05:18.280 single time totally and now they're on team let's get something done yeah it's wild and of course the

00:05:23.900 you know and this isn't just you and i making claims the reality is half of the cabinet is the

00:05:29.240 same of the exact same people and you're right it has been it's been mind-boggling to watch people who

00:05:37.280 we have faced for the last 10 years who we have been saying the world wants more canada the world needs

00:05:42.900 more canada canada should be the supplier of choice of energy and of technology to help lower global

00:05:47.660 emissions strengthen our relationships with our allies be self-sufficient united and secure and

00:05:52.880 it's been those guys who are proponents of the keep it in the ground uh you know leave half of oil

00:05:58.600 reserves in the ground uh and put forward uh bill c69 that all the provinces and territories oppose that

00:06:06.040 indigenous leaders the private sector opposed or said had to be totally overhauled and then the supreme

00:06:12.040 court said the exact same thing these liberals left it they're the ones that unilaterally brought in the 0.68

00:06:17.000 shipping ban so that we it's like canada couldn't export uh with a direct line to the safest deep

00:06:24.440 water a most direct access route to hungry asian markets whose oil demand is projected to continue

00:06:30.260 to grow by 40 by 2040 and want canadian energy and these are the exact same liberals that brought in

00:06:39.080 canada's industrial carbon tax and are jacking up that price to punish canadian workers and businesses

00:06:44.840 well neither the u.s nor any of the opec countries nor china nor russia none of those countries have

00:06:51.920 uh federal industrial carbon taxes because they know that it would be bad for their economies and bad

00:06:57.260 for their people these are the same liberals that voted for that well actually they didn't vote they

00:07:02.300 did what they always do which is they were in a different country where they declared they would

00:07:06.260 impose a canadian oil and gas cap good point and they celebrated that it was the first kind of uh of

00:07:12.260 it uh it was the first of its kind in the world meanwhile here you and i were back in ottawa doing

00:07:17.360 our jobs in canada for canadians in december 2023 when they made this announcement outside of the

00:07:22.140 country and what we as conservatives pointed out at the time was the fact that this is the first one

00:07:28.420 in the world is not a point of celebration it's actually a cause for caution because the reason is

00:07:34.280 that none of these other countries are self-inflicting this harm that the liberals have self-inflicted on

00:07:39.260 canada so and there is uh and and there and there is more after that of course there are unilateral

00:07:45.280 drilling bans and anti-development zones and water and in land that can be happen that can happen at

00:07:50.500 the stroke of a pen and more hundred and more than 600 billion dollars in major projects that have fled

00:07:56.460 canada precisely because of this liberal anti-development anti-energy agenda and yes like you

00:08:03.900 i mean it's one thing for the new liberal mps to come in here and say these things and i guess we

00:08:10.680 could take them at the their word but to see these guys who we have fought and have fought against us

00:08:17.880 to block canadian resources kill canadian jobs and phase out canadian energy which they said they did

00:08:24.220 because they also admired the basic dictatorship of china like three months ago yeah standing up now

00:08:32.820 and and uh you know plagiarizing the things that prime minister stephen harper set out as a vision

00:08:38.320 for canada and that we conservatives for the past decade have been fighting for non-stop against them

00:08:43.960 every step every step of the way it is wild no wonder no wonder canadians lose confidence in

00:08:49.500 politicians and and in government right yeah well exactly and and and these liberals seem to forget

00:08:54.520 that these pipelines are not built in a day they get shut down in a day but big time when government

00:09:01.240 bureaucrats and politicians start to pick and choose and northern gateway which would have brought 0.90

00:09:06.500 alberta energy to the as you mentioned hungry asian markets that are looking for ethical energy and of

00:09:13.440 course energies which are brought alberta oil to the refineries in new brunswick and stopping the

00:09:18.640 tankers coming in from saudi arabia which is pretty remarkable in today's day and age that we have

00:09:24.000 to import anything and they barely they trudeau liberals barely said anything when joe biden stopped

00:09:29.500 the keystone xl expansion through the united states so every step of the way the liberals have been

00:09:35.280 throwing the hurdles at this industry yes you're right that's been their actions and we should judge

00:09:40.020 them on their actions not their empty words and rhetoric and they all clapped like they all clapped

00:09:44.060 together when it happened big time they're still there yeah right like yes and and this is not the

00:09:49.740 new government yes that's right and um and what a travesty for our country and also it flies in the

00:09:57.520 face of all their own rhetoric which they're still spinning now uh so of course as you know that that western

00:10:04.300 pipeline to bc's coast to um export uh canadian oil and gas to asian markets was one that uh 31 first

00:10:16.060 nations had spent years negotiating with its private sector proponent to get that pipeline built in a good

00:10:23.660 way and to seek jobs environmental oversight and own source revenue for self-sufficiency and then

00:10:32.780 then the prime minister prime minister trudeau backed and advised by prime minister carney who

00:10:38.720 says half of oil reserves should stay in the ground um that's what he says and that's been his

00:10:44.380 position his entire career his development but invests oh yes that's yeah that's that's exactly

00:10:50.340 right yeah you're right he showed with his businesses isn't that right well he was counseling

00:10:53.300 the prime minister to keep canadian oil and gas in the ground he spent money in building pipelines

00:10:57.700 the u.s and overseas which of course is exactly what the liberal agenda does for canada though

00:11:02.420 it takes us out of the global market and it seeds that market share to competitors around the world

00:11:08.360 who are nowhere near the world-class energy and responsible resource producers that canada is

00:11:16.060 so let's cut one so the one pipeline we do have somewhat in construction or actually working is

00:11:22.180 transmountain pipeline because the government had to buy it off the private sector proponent who was

00:11:26.760 going to pull the plug on it because the regulations the rules and the red tape was so onerous they

00:11:31.880 just couldn't see an end to light to the end of the tunnel and of course you're your buddy and i say

00:11:36.420 that with all due sarcasm uh and everyone's buddy in the energy sector steven galbo uh was asked about

00:11:43.560 you know what do you are we on a path to get something done play cut one are you against the

00:11:49.460 construction of pipelines in canada what i'm saying is that we already have an infrastructure in place

00:11:54.580 that's not even at 50 percent capacity so before we think about building new infrastructure we should

00:12:00.340 maximize the use of what already exists and as i said to your colleague the canadian energy agency and

00:12:06.820 the international energy agency yes but the prime minister is saying well let's build pipelines

00:12:13.140 and you're putting pushing the brake on that well what i'm saying is that the international and

00:12:18.820 canadian energy agencies are saying that uh demand for oil will peak by 2028 2029 and there's no

00:12:28.420 developer who's interested in building an east west pipeline at this time okay i don't know what

00:12:35.060 he's talking about we almost need to go point by point by point there was so much there yes you want to

00:12:41.140 unpack where do we start well if the private sector wants to risk their own capital they clearly see

00:12:48.100 an opportunity yeah very good point jamie and actually it's instructive isn't it because he keeps

00:12:52.900 using the words we are building the pipeline we we we they mean government yeah and the consequences

00:12:59.460 of their agenda after the last 10 years is to have killed the private sector created actually

00:13:05.860 oligopolies out of their bad policy agenda but then at the same time force out 1.00

00:13:11.300 proponents and entrepreneurs who want to build energy projects and then justify subsidizing them

00:13:18.580 because of course that's what they're actually all about a command and control agenda where and they

00:13:24.020 admit it because they say they want to restructure canada's economy and they believe politicians are

00:13:28.580 the ones who should make that determination but even his comments about um this existing pipeline being

00:13:35.540 50 percent full it's just not true it's it just isn't actually 80 percent of the trans mountain expansion

00:13:42.020 is under long-term um long-term contracts from its producers and shippers and 20 percent uh flexibility in

00:13:49.380 the pipeline is actually completely normal and favored often by ship by shippers so that there's flexibility

00:13:55.700 and capacity so um he he doesn't know what he's talking about um and again they spin this like

00:14:04.260 peak oil thing except we should actually just look at reality which is that as developing countries

00:14:09.540 continue to industrialize and as the biggest and fastest growing economies continue to grow in the world

00:14:16.100 none of those other countries are shutting down any kinds of resource development and all of those

00:14:21.540 countries will continue to demand energy long into the future um and including of course chief among

00:14:27.220 those many strategic uh uh partner countries in asia who canada should be racing to make partnerships

00:14:35.300 with to be the world's energy supplier but that's another thing like what low ambitions and aspirations

00:14:42.340 for our country does this guy have because even if his claims about peak oil were true wouldn't it still

00:14:49.140 be the case that if you're a federal member of parliament for our country you would want our country to be

00:14:55.860 the last supplier that's a fair point like while displacing the bad actors right yeah that would make

00:15:01.540 sense to me yes if you really care about lowering global emissions because they're because emissions

00:15:08.180 don't follow borders and so therefore responsibly produce canadian oil and gas that is constantly

00:15:16.100 innovating to continually to reduce emissions um can be exported and then that helps global emissions

00:15:24.660 lower because it deep that will displace higher emitting sources of energy and fuel and power in other

00:15:29.620 parts of the world he is this guy that's that um is is this very kind this is exactly this sort of

00:15:38.020 virtue signaling guy who's out in this fantasy land and so you know he says on one hand um he cares about

00:15:45.460 indigenous reconciliation but he's the first guy to say no to the growing indigenous people in

00:15:52.420 communities who want more ownership more partnership more equity deals in responsible resource development

00:15:59.140 which again in in Alberta and in Saskatchewan and in BC and in other parts of the country and but

00:16:05.940 especially in Alberta you know indigenous people have been driving energy development for decades well he just

00:16:11.860 means more government programs to to help keep people addicted to to government right not out you

00:16:17.700 know charting their own course which i think everyone wants yes that seems to be the goal but here what

00:16:24.420 the you hear the prime minister often talk about we need consensus on these projects well you get 10 people in

00:16:30.820 the room together like i don't think 10 people are going to agree on everything yeah i mean don't we even hardly ever agree

00:16:35.860 what to have for like easter or thanksgiving or christmas supper yeah yeah yeah and they want to involve

00:16:42.900 like different provinces and groups and stakeholders so Albertans here are looking for clarity on

00:16:48.660 Kearney's energy policy flip the state to the second graphic here and there we go so now consensus ends

00:16:55.780 at the british columbia border potentially so the big question is even if they somehow do get consensus maybe that will happen

00:17:03.300 even if they somehow do get consensus among premiers to build various pipelines in all directions which

00:17:09.060 is what Canada actually needs what happens if there's obstruction and attempts to block the building

00:17:16.100 afterwards which these liberals failed because they didn't enforce federal jurisdiction it seems to me

00:17:22.180 to your point if you're saying you need full consensus from all the premiers it's clear that's you know it's

00:17:28.100 clear that's already not happening then Canadians should ask these guys what are you going to do this time

00:17:32.500 since you believe in one Canada to actually enforce federal jurisdiction to make sure

00:17:36.500 performance can build a project Jamie i mean you and i as conservatives we respect provincial jurisdiction

00:17:41.860 we believe in local decision making we believe that local governments know best what their individual

00:17:47.700 provinces and people need because that's the great thing about our diverse country with 13 different

00:17:54.500 provinces and territories all kinds of diversity among the people that's why one-size-fits-all top-down

00:17:59.540 governance really doesn't work for a country like ours but this is where Canadians can be forgiven for 1.00

00:18:06.820 asking what the heck consensus actually means to these guys and whether or not they are going to enforce

00:18:12.980 federal jurisdiction i think back to that veto of the northern gateway pipeline and you know those 31 or

00:18:22.100 more even first nations communities who had billions of dollars worth of mutual benefit agreements with the

00:18:28.340 private sector proponent the court did rule that there was a failure in indigenous consultation but

00:18:33.780 also said the government could redo the consultation in as little as four months get that done right now

00:18:41.060 that was the choice that justin trudeau had once he became uh prime minister and instead of consulting all

00:18:50.100 of those first nations while he you know had his hand in his heart and wore his head and had his

00:18:54.260 hide a tattoo and all those things he instead of consulting with them instead of redoing the

00:19:00.100 indigenous consultation and getting it right did an outright unilateral authoritarian veto and killed 0.59

00:19:04.980 the entire thing well then fast forward they also risked the trans mountain expansion proposal which

00:19:12.020 predated them coming into government because they forced the review to happen all again and then the

00:19:16.580 court said that they the liberals failed in their indigenous consultation on the trans mountain expansion

00:19:21.940 now our point at the time was if they had done it and gotten it properly you know if they had done

00:19:26.260 it in the first place and got it right um for that first dedicated export pipeline to the west to asia then

00:19:32.660 they would have front-ended that there would have been no delays on tmx but they got that wrong they did

00:19:38.180 their delayed then they and then they got it right so there is a successful process to follow now for pipelines

00:19:43.940 but that in but then they gave the approval and then what happened to the private sector proponent

00:19:49.380 trying to build the trans mountain expansion at that time well the provincial government weaponized

00:19:55.060 their laws the municipal government weaponized their bylaws numerous activists exercised their right

00:20:01.300 of protest and freedom of expression but refused to follow the pretty generous court injunctions that

00:20:06.660 just said things like you know stay 500 meters away from the entrance and exits for your own safety

00:20:11.940 the liberals did nothing while uh really roadblock after roadblock blockade after blockade was put

00:20:19.460 against the private sector proponent these federal liberals had tools in their toolbox to enforce

00:20:25.540 federal jurisdiction we conservatives called on them to do that including asking them four different

00:20:31.060 times for unanimous consent to declare the trans mountain expansion in the general advantage of canada

00:20:37.300 which would once and for all confirm the constitutional fact that interprovincial pipelines are in federal

00:20:44.260 jurisdiction the liberals did not do that that is why the private sector proponent was finally forced

00:20:51.300 to abandon that project because they just couldn't see their way to getting through to the end then we know

00:20:57.220 the rest of the story these guys bought it delayed it took it forever it's 34 billion dollars and counting costing

00:21:02.980 taxpayers behind operations and mostly of course just goes to the gulf so canadians can be forgiven for 0.96

00:21:10.580 asking well what will happen now these guys now are talking about one canada the one economy they're going to

00:21:16.820 now get major projects built even though the same cabinet ministers also announced that a couple of years ago

00:21:21.860 and they didn't get anything done and they're saying you know they want these major nation building

00:21:27.460 projects well now they need to answer canadians then but what will you do even if you do get to give

00:21:34.260 the approval within this two-year timeline they're promising and then activists and other levels of

00:21:41.220 government and all these groups exercise their legal rights to challenge their approvals what will the

00:21:48.260 federal government do what does federal jurisdiction mean then will they actually enforce it when their actual

00:21:55.060 track record is to stand on the side and let these projects get killed because their actual agenda is

00:22:00.820 to keep canadian resources in the ground and even their language before it when they're talking about

00:22:06.020 we will decide we being the cabinet or the liberal yes we'll decide which projects are in the national

00:22:11.540 interest so now what to me that means that anybody who is a small startup or whatever they're cooked

00:22:20.100 there's no way they can afford to make you know hire the right lobbyists and the right lawyers and

00:22:25.460 donate enough money to the liberal party so that they at least get us you know a conversation with

00:22:29.860 the minister or something to pitch their case and hopefully you know if if the light shines upon you

00:22:36.180 you get approved on your project not on its merits or anything like that it's basically how close can you

00:22:40.420 be to government yeah and people might be you know hearing us have this conversation think oh we're

00:22:45.620 being partisan except that um that's exactly the liberal track record right 64 million dollars in

00:22:51.380 tax dollars to their buddies that they can't find and won't go back maybe that's even up to 100 million

00:22:56.340 scandal after scandal after scandal yes exactly so um i think that is a real concern but what really

00:23:07.540 strikes me is that they're not fixing the fundamental issues in the first place they have brought in c5 1.00

00:23:14.820 which admits that all of their own laws that they've brought in for the last 10 years

00:23:20.820 blocked anything from getting built otherwise why would they need this c5 but you're but to your

00:23:26.500 point there there isn't really concrete clarity and details around these various broad national

00:23:32.580 interest factors that almost everybody could agree with or disagree with depending on your perspective

00:23:37.300 on any project whatsoever which again as you've pointed out the ministers themselves will decide

00:23:42.980 and so i i think too canadians can be forgiven for saying well why don't you start at the place where

00:23:51.300 there already are dozens of real projects and real proponents sitting stuck in the liberals own

00:23:57.300 regulatory mess in front of the regulators that the liberals created and some of these projects have

00:24:04.420 been there since they started since 2019 they're all sitting there they're real projects real proponents real

00:24:11.380 people in nuclear in uranium in oil and gas in in uh lng in infrastructure to be able to unlock the

00:24:21.300 ring of fire yes in all kinds of different kinds of mining there are dozens of projects sitting in

00:24:27.060 front of the federal regulator stuck in the liberals regulatory mess right now why wouldn't they start

00:24:32.900 there that's a great question and i so i don't think we actually answered the question do the liberals have

00:24:37.620 plan i don't think they do but we went way over time but it was a good discussion i'm not good not

00:24:43.620 just counting that at all we did go a little over time but as you know the guests always get the last

00:24:49.620 word shannon stubbs the floor is yours well jamie schmale i uh i forgot that part i'm sorry surprise well um what

00:25:00.100 would you like my last words whatever you wish to talk about well i think it's safe to say that

00:25:06.980 canadians should hold these liberals these liberals to account for all their big promises and all their

00:25:14.580 big rhetoric they are the same liberal party and half the ministers are the same but they're talking a

00:25:22.180 big new game and we as conservatives we will do we know we'll continue to do our duty as the official

00:25:28.820 opposition both to oppose the government and also to propose solutions as we are because we do want to

00:25:34.100 see big projects get built for canadians by canadians using canadian materials to ensure canadian unity

00:25:42.180 self-reliance and security but we are the only party that has been consistent and unequivocal about that

00:25:48.900 for day one over and over and over and for the last two and for the last uh decade so these liberals

00:25:56.100 say they've got this plan to get big major projects built in two years and the countdown starts doesn't

00:26:02.820 it and i guess we'll have to check back in 2027 if troubles are actually in the ground and canadians

00:26:09.060 are actually building these projects that these very same liberals have stopped and blocked for the last

00:26:14.260 10 years um for hope are you a betting man ah for the country i would like to hope so yes reality

00:26:22.180 it's imperative for the country yeah in reality i'm very skeptical just based on everything you just

00:26:27.620 laid out the liberals track record the last 10 years so for the country my goodness um shannon stubs

00:26:34.660 thank you very much for your time thank you jimmy thanks for having me member of parliament for

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