The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - February 26, 2018


Trudeau must show leadership

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Jamie Schmal
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Tony Clement Justin Trudeau Kinder Morgan Dan Albus Burnaby Merritt Notley Andrew Scheer Keystone XL John Horgan Mark Strahl Ben Albus Menard
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9 minutes

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Word count

1,660

Sentence count

107

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1

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Dan Albus, MP for Central Okanagan joins the show to talk about the issues surrounding Kinder Morgan's Trans Mountain pipeline project and its impact on Alberta and British Columbia, and the challenges that the federal government has created for the project.

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00:00:00.000 You are listening to The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:00:09.040 Is the Prime Minister actually saying that taxpayers should be on the hook when he breaks the law?
00:00:20.420 What is it going to take for the Prime Minister to have any respect for any laws in this country that may curb his out-of-control behaviour?
00:00:30.000 All these deficits leading to nothing but burying Canadians in taxes.
00:00:34.500 And now, here's your host, Tony Clement.
00:00:46.760 Welcome to The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
00:00:49.720 I'm your host, Member of Parliament, Tony Clement.
00:00:52.080 And it's great to have you as part of our podcast universe.
00:00:56.400 We're going to talk about pipelines right now, specifically Trans Mountain pipelines,
00:01:01.280 although the Prime Minister was confused in the House of Commons today.
00:01:03.600 He's answering questions about Keystone XL for some reason.
00:01:06.440 But we're talking about Trans Mountain and how important it is.
00:01:09.180 And our special guest for this segment of the program is Mr. Dan Albus,
00:01:13.020 the Member of Parliament for Central Okanagan, Simokamine Nikola.
00:01:17.260 Thank you for being on the show, Dan.
00:01:18.680 And why don't you bring us up to date a little bit on what's going on with this Trans Mountain pipeline issue?
00:01:23.380 Well, it really comes down to the nature of a horse, a vacuum.
00:01:27.340 So when you have a Prime Minister that is not giving, whether it be the Premier of Alberta,
00:01:33.860 confidence that he will stand up to the jurisdictional interference by Premier John Horgan,
00:01:42.120 who hails from British Columbia, the challenge is...
00:01:46.320 And you're a British Columbian yourself.
00:01:47.440 Well, this is what happens.
00:01:49.760 This is why elections are so important, because you get these big swings,
00:01:54.280 and it's lost by a few votes here and there.
00:01:58.120 But getting back to it, the Prime Minister has created a vacuum of leadership.
00:02:02.160 Premier Notley obviously wants to win her next election.
00:02:05.040 She knows Alberta's fortunes, her political fortunes are tied to the building of Kinder Morgan Trans Mountain,
00:02:10.520 which goes through my writing, and I'm very happy to support.
00:02:14.200 But she is obviously, you know, slinging at British Columbia by banning BC wine. 0.99
00:02:21.960 And that's the problem here.
00:02:23.920 And that's why last night we actually voted on a motion that the Prime Minister needs to present a plan.
00:02:30.040 And this was like a Conservative Party motion in the House?
00:02:31.820 Yes, Shannon Stubbs sponsored it, great member from Alberta.
00:02:35.660 I was glad to support it, because I have vintners in my area that, you know,
00:02:40.540 if action isn't taken immediately, it's going to cause some of them to go bankrupt.
00:02:46.060 The larger wineries, I'm sure, are going to be fine.
00:02:48.040 They can find other channels.
00:02:49.060 But, you know, this is a business where, you know, if you can't deliver a product,
00:02:53.280 restaurants are going to switch to a different wine.
00:02:55.100 And, you know, some have contractual obligations that they've got to get their product to Alberta,
00:03:01.180 and they can't get it.
00:03:02.460 And so that's why this is so serious.
00:03:05.180 And that's why last night we asked the Prime Minister to show a plan to get Kinder Morgan started,
00:03:10.480 and Liberals voted against it.
00:03:13.040 So this is something, Tony, that's in international interest.
00:03:17.640 The Prime Minister at least has said that.
00:03:19.660 But now it's becoming the question about the rule of law as well.
00:03:22.200 Are we going to allow Premiers to basically push into the federal jurisdiction,
00:03:27.040 or will the Prime Minister assert that this project will actually get done and not just talk about it?
00:03:32.460 So let's unpack this a little bit, because the Liberals are out there saying,
00:03:36.320 the Federal Liberals are saying, hey, look, we're for Trans Mountain Pipeline.
00:03:40.840 We gave it the go-ahead.
00:03:43.280 But really, in essence, nothing is happening.
00:03:46.720 There's no Federal leadership on the file.
00:03:48.360 And you've got two provinces duking it out with different visions of what to do with this pipeline.
00:03:54.740 And so really, it's not really a priority of the Liberal government except to talk about it a little bit.
00:03:59.280 Well, you know, if you look at Energy East, you know,
00:04:01.680 you had Liberal members of Parliament saying to their own constituents during the last election
00:04:05.660 and up until the point that the project was cancelled that they were fully in support.
00:04:10.320 But I will tell you this, is that there are many British Columbia MPs
00:04:13.660 who do not want the Prime Minister to mention the name Kinder Morgan or Trans Mountain in their writings.
00:04:19.040 But this is one of those things, that the Prime Minister has said it's in the national interest.
00:04:24.260 Well, he needs to go to places like Burnaby and convince the people in Burnaby
00:04:28.860 that this is in the national interest
00:04:31.420 and that it is illegal for any other government to subsume and take away from the federal jurisdiction on this.
00:04:39.020 Because this lack of leadership, and you alluded to this, it's creating a situation.
00:04:44.100 It's not only, obviously, it's affecting oil and gas
00:04:47.160 and the future of oil and gas investment in this country,
00:04:50.220 but now it's a trade war.
00:04:52.580 So the wineries, the vintners in British Columbia are dragged into this too.
00:04:58.020 This is not getting any better.
00:04:59.620 It's getting worse for the economy.
00:05:00.880 No, and again, yesterday there was a throne speech in British Columbia
00:05:04.340 and the New Democrats, supported by the Greens, have said that they're going to continue in the throne speech.
00:05:09.880 They said they're going to continue to raise consultations
00:05:14.420 on what kind of oil products can go through British Columbia.
00:05:19.660 And again, that's why we're calling the Prime Minister to clearly come out.
00:05:24.400 And let's put it this way.
00:05:25.700 Businesses, they want two things.
00:05:27.940 They want opportunity, but they also need certainty.
00:05:30.740 And a big part of certainty means they know that when they make an investment
00:05:34.120 that they're going to be able to see that investment go through.
00:05:38.480 They have to have faith that the regulators and the governments that regulate the regulators,
00:05:43.820 so to speak, are going to do what they say
00:05:46.440 and aren't just going to leave them hanging in the wind.
00:05:48.720 That's what Justin Trudeau is doing right now.
00:05:50.780 That's why Premier Notley created this wine ban.
00:05:54.320 That's why, you know, B.C. wineries right now, small businesses are hurting.
00:05:58.840 And just another note is that when you look at it,
00:06:02.900 there's a lot of investment from the oil sands, from people who have done well there,
00:06:06.440 who have come to British Columbia and invested in our wineries.
00:06:09.560 So they're only hurting themselves.
00:06:10.840 That's very interesting.
00:06:11.720 Yeah.
00:06:12.200 So I'm talking with Dan Albus, by the way, the British Columbia MP,
00:06:16.280 talking a little bit about the issue about the Trans Mountain pipeline,
00:06:19.840 which has grown bigger because of the lack of leadership from Mr. Trudeau and the federal liberals.
00:06:25.480 So, I mean, where do you see this going?
00:06:27.500 I mean, without federal liberal leadership,
00:06:30.420 and we've been out there as the Conservative Party of Canada saying,
00:06:33.660 look, we need to solve this issue.
00:06:35.480 This is in the national interest that it precedes, 0.71
00:06:37.560 that the science is there,
00:06:39.460 the economic requirement of how this is going to help Alberta and British Columbia,
00:06:44.860 and Ontario even, as an Ontarian.
00:06:46.960 I know that there's Ontario companies that will get some positive benefits
00:06:50.600 in terms of jobs and opportunity because of the pipeline.
00:06:53.200 So where does this go from here without liberal federal leadership?
00:06:55.720 Well, again, I go back to the argument,
00:06:58.100 if people don't feel that you're going to follow up with your language with actual walk,
00:07:04.140 then eventually they'll just lose confidence and they just won't build it.
00:07:07.160 And it's not just about this pipeline.
00:07:08.940 It's about future national initiatives.
00:07:11.700 Absolutely.
00:07:12.400 Again, if the prime minister cannot show,
00:07:14.540 and again, there's different tools at his disposal.
00:07:16.920 Again, he could go to court seeking an injunction,
00:07:20.380 or he could use the not very much used trade and commerce clause in the Constitution.
00:07:25.600 But ultimately, you can have tools.
00:07:28.040 But if people don't even think you will use them, that the will will be there,
00:07:32.440 then they'll find some other place to invest.
00:07:35.020 And that is the problem because we lose jobs, we lose opportunity,
00:07:38.440 governments lose tax revenue.
00:07:40.240 And we'll still see that Alberta oil being trucked through other means,
00:07:45.840 whether it be on trucks or whether it be on rail cars, which is far less safe.
00:07:50.240 And I think if you talked to most British Columbia and gave them the option,
00:07:52.980 they'd want a newer pipeline with better protections assured with that rather than the status quo.
00:07:59.640 And I think that's what we need to consider.
00:08:01.120 Many mayors, like the mayor of Merritt, Mayor Menard, has said that this is in the national interest.
00:08:08.760 It's good for jobs.
00:08:09.920 It's good for the community of Merritt.
00:08:11.200 They're supportive of it.
00:08:12.540 They want to see this project go forward.
00:08:14.540 So this is not just where those liberal and New Democrats MPs are nowhere to be seen.
00:08:22.420 That's why I'm very proud that Andrew Scheer, our conservative leader,
00:08:25.960 has stood up to the prime minister on this.
00:08:27.720 I'm happy that Shannon Stubbs, Mark Strahl, both from Alberta and B.C.,
00:08:32.140 are voicing concerns for jobs on both sides.
00:08:35.040 This is one of those things that we need to keep pushing on.
00:08:37.520 Ben Albus, thanks for joining us here.
00:08:39.420 It's great to have you as part of the National Caucus.
00:08:42.640 And let's hope that we get some sanity when it comes to natural resource development policy in this country
00:08:49.340 rather than what is at risk, not only the economy, but really national unity fights again.
00:08:56.160 Not a good place for Canada to be.
00:08:58.380 So let's hope for the best.
00:08:59.720 Thank you for joining us, all you listeners out there, for The Blueprint, Canada's Conservative Podcast.
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