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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast
- July 12, 2022
Trudeau’s reckless spending is making life harder for Canadians
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Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your
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host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton, Kawartha Lakes, Brock, with new
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content for you every single Tuesday, 1.30 p.m. Eastern Time. We are going right through the
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summer. We are not taking a break because that ever-moving Liberal agenda is doing just that.
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We need to push back. So with this content, we ask that you like, subscribe, comment, share this
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program, and together we can do that. Of course, please tell your friends if you can't listen or
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watch the entire program right this second. You can download it, listen to it on platforms like
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CastBox, iTunes, Google Play, Spotify, you name it, it is out there. Today, another great show lined up
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for you. We are talking cost of living. We are talking that incredible Rive Can app. And with
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those topics, we have two friends of the show coming back again. We have Michael Barrett,
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the Member of Parliament for Leeds, Grenville, Thousand Islands, and Rideau Lakes, a beautiful
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province of Ontario who is also the critic for health. Joining him right beside him is Greg
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McLean, the Member of Parliament for Calgary Centre, also the critic for Natural Resources.
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Thank you, gentlemen, for coming. It's a pleasure. All right, let's talk about the health mandate. So
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we have new measures announced for unvaccinated Canadians. They are now allowed to travel
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internationally and domestically, finally, after months of pressure by yourself and other colleagues
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trying to get this fixed. But there are still hurdles they have to go through, including
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potential quarantine when they arrive back from an international location.
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Right. Yeah. So this is something that our Conservative team has been fighting. We've been
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fighting against these vaccine mandates, you know, certainly over the last year through the
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last election. And we've put a lot of pressure on the government to simply just show us what the
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data is that they've been using to keep these mandates in place. These are the same mandates that
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they use to lay off, spend, fire federal public servants, including the RCMP. And really, it's
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been a situation where Canadians haven't been able to take a plane. They haven't been able to take a
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train. And so it didn't matter what their situation was. It could have been, you know, a compassionate
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circumstance to just, you know, a happy one to see the, to reunite with their family for the birth of a
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child or, you know, or a sad and somber occasion like saying goodbye to someone, a celebration of
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life or a funeral. The government hasn't relented up until this point. And so they have suspended or
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paused these mandates for now saying that they might bring them back in the future. So our work isn't done.
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But what this means right now is that Canadians do not have to show proof of vaccination to travel
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domestically on those federally regulated, you know, transportation modes like flying and trains.
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And when they return to Canada, they still are subjected to quarantine requirements,
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testing requirements. And when you're traveling by plane, of course, everyone, vaccinated or not,
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is still going to have to wear a mask. So we continue to challenge the government for the science,
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though, Jamie, it's, it's very... Well, the science changed everywhere else except
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in the federally regulated jurisdictions in Canada. That's right. And so the top public health officers
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in, in all of the provinces said it was safe to lift those mandates and, and showed the modeling
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that they needed to, the benchmarks that they needed to hit to be able to lift those, to lift those
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mandates. And the federal government has refused to share any of the data. So we don't know what the
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conditions were that, that required them to stay in place. And we don't know what the conditions
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that were met that saw them lifted. So the fact that they're suspending them with the threat of
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reimposing them, we don't know at what time that might happen.
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But arrive can stays for now.
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So arrive can, and a lot of people say arrive can't, because it is, it's, it's not, it's not
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friendly to travelers. It's not friendly to our tourism sector. I can tell you, I've got a couple
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duty free stores at the land border crossings in my riding. They field all kinds of calls from folks
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who are saying, well, what's this requirement? And how do I use that app? But you know what, nevermind,
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we're going to, we're going to stay stateside. So this is having a real impact on people who are,
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you know, wanting to travel to Canada. It's having a real impact on border communities,
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on our, on our tourism sector. And it's just, it's just more red tape from the government. It
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makes job, the job harder for our CBSA officers who are there to keep us safe, not to just keep in
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place unscientific tools that have been, you know, imposed by the governments and arbitrarily left in
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place. Okay. We're talking transportation. Now we're talking vehicular traffic. Cost of gasoline
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is absolutely through the roof. And I note here, the province of Alberta has the lowest price right
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now at $1.89 per litre. Congratulations. That's because your premier had the foresight to reduce
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some taxes temporarily. We don't have the same benefit here in Canada. 14 cents a litre came off
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in Alberta and we could reduce that by another 60 cents if you think about all the taxes that go on
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gas is across Canada. So about $2.09 as the last I saw is the average price in Canada. We expect that
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to go up through the summer as of course supply is constrained and demand will go up as people
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drive for vacations. It is a formula. So the biggest question we get in there, why we have lots of oil
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here in Canada. Why can we not somehow bring the price down? What's the answer to that? We get it all the time.
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We are constrained by our infrastructure, how we actually supply that oil. We're actually even
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discouraging the industry most of the time from actually producing more oil. That actually leads
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to of course production. Oil comes out of the ground and you've got to process it into actually
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finished goods. So gasoline, diesel, airline fuel. But that happens often stateside and is brought back
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into Canada. We have a division in Canada between where we produce the oil and where we consume the
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oil. A lot of our production in Western Canada goes south of the border. Some of that comes back
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north to supply refineries in Canada, but also all our consumers in Canada get American processed
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gas. So if you think about Pearson Airport, most of that supply of aviation fuel comes from refineries
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south of the border. So it's not a strict equation, but we are seeing a reduction in refining capacity
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across North America. And that is because governments in both jurisdictions, Canada and the United States,
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have told the industry, we don't want you producing as much. We see less demand going forward
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from a more or less structural point of view. How does industry adjust to that when the demand that they see
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is increasing? And the only thing that can happen, of course, is lower supply, higher demand. You tell me what
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happens to price. Absolutely. It always goes up. Well, that's the biggest issue. The government now is noticing
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it's politically bad for them to have high gas prices. But at the same time, they for decades have come up with
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policies that have hampered the ability for these companies to get their product to market. European, Asian,
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even the United States. As you know, Joe Biden, the first thing he did was kill Keystone XL, which would
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have been quite helpful right now with the price of gasoline in the United States. There are other
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nations that can't up their production, just like you said, to to offset what's happening in Russia,
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Ukraine. Yeah. And the narrative around Europe has always been we need to price gasoline higher so that
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alternative energies look more attractive from a cost perspective. In the last six months or since the
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war in Ukraine, you've watched that come crashing down. The Europeans now are taking 20 billion euros
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less from their consumers in taxes. In Canada, at the same time, we've wrapped it up. So we're taking
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2.5 billion more from consumers in Canada. It makes no sense. Our approach on this is backwards
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vis-a-vis the rest of the world. Absolutely. So going back to the health part, this is where
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it kind of ties in and the tourism. We're having people stopped at the border coming from the United
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States. They're just getting fed up with the Arrive Can app. We have high gas prices, high fuel prices,
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whether it be planes or vehicles. You live in a tourist town. You represent tourist agents. This
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is just another kick to an industry that has been down and out for the last two years. Well, absolutely.
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This is it's been one thing after another. And, you know, we heard we heard Mr. Trudeau say that the
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pandemic's not over and so they're going to keep these measures in place. Well, it hasn't relented
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for our tourism sector. And they continue to suffer under painful regulations and rules put in place
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by and policies put in place by the Liberals. And so on gasoline, it's been punishing and it will be a
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punishing summer for folks who depend on people to get in their car and enjoy, in my case, the
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province of Ontario to come to Leeds, Granville, Thousand Islands and Rideau Lakes, which, as you
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know, is a beautiful country. And the Arrive Can app and the policies at our border, the requirement
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for proof of vaccination for American travelers coming into Canada, it's going to continue to hamper
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that tourism that we rely on, frankly. And so it's going to be another tough summer, frankly, for
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people that operate in the tourism space. It's going to be a tough summer for people in my
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community. And they're looking for some action, some compassion from the government. You know, we know
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that the official opposition has put forward, Canada's Conservatives have put forward concrete
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proposals that would give Canadians a break and would also, you know, encourage some of that
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traveling. And, you know, for Americans who would come to Ontario or come, you know, come across to
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Canada, who would overcome the Arrive Can app and that bureaucracy, who did make a choice to get
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vaccinated, have that proof of vaccination. Well, once they get into Canada, they're going to see gas
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prices that are just absolutely unrecognizable to them. And when even the strength of the U.S. dollar
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against the Canadian dollar isn't making it worth their while, they're going to say, you know what,
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we're going to stay home this summer. So it's going to be really tough. The government has
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failed to take action on that. They want to talk about all other, you know, measures that they've
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put in place, billions and billions and billions of spending that's, you know, frankly, further
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fueling the fire. I'd say throw gas on the fire, but I don't even think they can afford the gas. So
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it's going to be tough times. Well, let's talk about, let's build on what Michael just said.
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And Greg, I love talking finance with you as well. As Michael just said, they're fighting
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inflation with more spending. So it's like fighting cancer with more cancer. It just really
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doesn't make any sense when we're trying to bring down the cost, but they keep putting fuel on the
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fire. And very indicative. And the next report of CPI comes out tomorrow, or I guess Wednesday,
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I guess it'll be a week since we're recording this. I apologize. So that is actually going to be
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in the seven print. We're expecting a seven print on that at this point, 6.8 to 7. And we'll see,
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you know, how much that affects everything. But the big influence on that, of course, is fuel prices.
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Fuel prices are continuing to push inflation across Canada. And the government has in their toolbox
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something they can actually use to bring that down. Because the two biggest contributors
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to inflation are employment and energy. And energy is continuing to be ramped up by this government.
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The costs are in the pocketbook at the end of the day. People are going to have to pay it.
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And that's going to be indicated in your inflation numbers through and through. How do you deal with
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that? You deal with it by reducing that amount as quickly as possible. Otherwise, we're going to
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continue to see these prints. But you know, this is a finance minister that is only starting to
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understand that she can't print money ad nauseum here. We're going to have to stop printing money in
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order to deal with these problems going forward. That is part of, and even the governor of the Bank of
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Canada, God bless him, if you will, he's actually even indicated that it is the fiscal problems at
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this point in time, not the monetary problems that are holding back the fight against inflation.
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So you're going to see a disconnect here between different officials and the government coming
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forward. I'd like to see where that lands.
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So we're talking high energy prices, mortgage rates are going up, seeing the price of groceries,
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everything's going up. People are getting, well, they're noticing their paychecks aren't going as far.
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That means a cut down in discretionary spending. This is a very concerning path that the liberals
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just don't seem to be concerned about at all. And all the marks are here. Like the warning signs are
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right in front of us.
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Right. I mean, they didn't seem to have a good read on it. You know, over the last year, we heard that
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we would not have inflation. We heard that the problems that we were experiencing were transitory.
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We've heard that everything's stable. They put all the right steps in place to take care of Canadians.
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They're going to tell you if you can't pay your mortgage and you're a single senior, don't worry.
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We cut your child care costs for you. So it's very confusing messaging.
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We heard from the finance minister a week ago when she was talking to, you know, to the richest
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Canadians in Toronto that it was, you know, something we've heard from the prime minister.
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This is the desired effect that even when, even at a time when Canadians were struggling to make end meets,
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they still increased the carbon tax because, you know, they wanted to, they wanted to continue to advance
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their, that agenda. So the government is now saying that they're going to continue to rake in record profits.
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You know, they claim it's to reduce the deficit, but we haven't seen evidence that they have any
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interest in that over the last seven years. So it's going to be, it's going to be a tough,
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tough year for Canadians. And the government really just doesn't seem to get it.
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Well, they continue to hide behind events, if you will. So they had COVID and they blew their brains
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out on spending or COVID. And we know that at least one third of the spending had nothing to do with COVID.
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And then they had the war in Ukraine, they're blaming it. And they had the floods in BC and all these
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things are saying, that's the problem. That's the problem. That's the problem. We live in a world
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where we're going to continue to have problems going forward here. We have to start adjusting
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to a normal that says we don't keep spending money for the sake of spending money.
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Well, that should have been a message we, we hopefully will get across to the Liberals at some
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point, because that that's the main issue. They keep spending money they don't have. They keep coming
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up with new programs with money they don't have. And I think that's, that's what Canadians,
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I think are coming around to that the government in large part created a lot of the crisis we are
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seeing right now. I think I'm hoping that more and more start to realize what is going on.
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Yeah, absolutely. We have a government that, as Greg said, thinks that the solution to the
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problems is, is to print money. They're very ideologically driven, very interested in impressing,
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you know, celebrities on the world stage. That's been Mr. Trudeau's, you know, his primary objective.
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And while we've got real problems here in Canada, we saw that, you know, him filling up his Instagram
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with photos with, you know, celebrities in Los Angeles a couple of weeks ago. It defies reasoning.
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And while we have, there's an energy crisis, you know, that is caused by Russia's invasion and war in
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Ukraine. And there's an opportunity in Canada. We should be, we should see the prime minister,
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the finance minister, the environment minister, the natural resource minister on an international
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sales tour, selling Canada as the most ethical, cleanest, responsible energy producer in the world.
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And, and, and we can sell it to you for many of them at a great price, you know, with the strength
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of their currency against ours. And they're not doing that. And so what are we seeing instead? We're
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seeing countries like Germany who are taking nuclear offline and bringing cold fired plants
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online. And all the while we were not hearing from our government that they're going to come up
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with solutions to get LNG, to get our, our, our, our petroleum products to tidewater so that we can
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be a, be a real player to, to solve, to get them off that, that, you know, Russian oil or conflict oil
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or unethical oil, but also to bring down global greenhouse gas emissions and, and to have it done
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with, with, you know, a product made in Canada that is made under the, and extracted under the
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strictest environmental regimes in the world. And as well, we know that all the workers are treated
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with, with dignity. They have the human rights that are afforded to, to, to everyone in this country.
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And, and it's, it's baffling. So we have an Instagram tour from the prime minister instead
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of a sales tour from the full federal cabinet that, that could really, you know, move the mark
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and, and make life better, make life better for Canadians at the same time.
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I like that Instagram tour.
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And let me add to that because I hear that narrative of the minister of natural resources
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as if we can just start exporting LNG.
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Right.
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And hydrogen as quickly as possible here.
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There's a gap between project, actual proposal and building these things. And that gap is growing
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larger because of the regulatory burden that's been presented by this government over the past
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seven years. Nothing is getting built here for good reason. They're not bringing capital in
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from overseas because nobody has line of sight on getting projects built.
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That's right.
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Now, if the minister of natural resources wants to export Canadian resources, he's going to have
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to build the infrastructure to export that. That's going to take a long time. My sense is this
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government just wants all these problems to go away. So it doesn't actually have to deal
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with the reality that we can propose these solutions to the world. Those solutions aren't
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evident right now. And the rest of the world doesn't look at Canada as a supplier right
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now. We've missed the boat for seven years on building that infrastructure. And the rest
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of the world is going, where were you? Because now we need you. The time to actually build
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a defense system is not in the middle of a war. You build it ahead of time. You get prepared
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for what's coming. Now, Russia expanded its production of oil and gas by over 10%. It doubled
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as far as the supply to Europe goes over the last seven years. And here we are in Canada
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sitting on our hands with all these resources and no way to get them to market. And that's
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a failure of the regulatory system. Ask anybody who was setting up all those projects in Canada
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for LNG, for pipelines, for getting oil offshore. Ask them why all those got cancelled. And they
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continue to get built in other parts of the world. That's a failure of this government.
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How much further would we be ahead if Energy East was completed? Or even started? It would
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have been started already. Northern Gateway, among others. Keystone XL, who's allowed to
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be finished. We would have the ability to help increase the supply that's desperately needed
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right now.
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Oh, exactly. I mean, you think about all the infrastructure we needed to have built. And
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now it's being proposed to be built. We still have TMX, which is grossly over budget. Once
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the government got a hold of it. Only because the government had to save it. Well, the government
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came in because the government regulations is more or less what put it in peril in the first
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place. So they stepped in and they spent over $10 billion more than the private sector party
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actually had budgeted for building that. And it's just a twinning of a pipeline. There's no,
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or there's barely any new route on that whole route. It is actually something that was very
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simple to do. Less than $8 billion is what Kinder Morgan proposed to have that built. And it's
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cost over $18 billion so far. We'll see where it ends up. But there's a whole bunch of
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process that's been built in there, regulatory process in particular, that's being put on
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the backs of Canadian taxpayers at this point in time. Is this going to be viable? Yes,
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it is, because we still have a differential that we receive on Canadian oil because we
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only have one customer. Getting our oil to Tidewater is a very important part of diversification
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of the Canadian energy system. Now that's important. So you think about 99% of oil right
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now where exports go to the United States. Once TMX is built, we'll have a bunch of it going
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to Tidewater available for other parties, whether they'll take it or not, because a lot
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of it will be swallowed up by our neighbor to the south. And your closest customer, of
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course, is your best customer often. But it'll give us a bit of a pricing advantage,
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which we think equates to about $6 billion more on a differential basis for Canadian oil.
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And that's fantastic. I mean, that's money we're throwing away right now. It's going
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into the pockets of United States refiners and the United States government that collects
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tax on it. So it's a big bonus, but we need a lot more of that, obviously. We need
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more infrastructure in Canada to get our resources to market.
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I was absolutely shocked when you told me that government bungled the project that they
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took control of. I can't believe that's possible. We're just running out of time. So as you
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know, I always give the guests the final words. So Michael, why don't I start with you? The
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floor is yours.
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Well, we've had a busy few months really pressing the government for the science, for the numbers
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behind what they've been doing with respect to mandates. And, you know, they've obfuscated.
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They haven't given us that information. But we've put enough pressure on them, and that
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pressure was really amplified with the voices of Canadians, people who are concerned about
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the effects that these mandates were having. And so Conservatives continue to fight for Canadians,
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and we're going to keep doing that throughout the summer. So the House of Commons has risen
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for the year. But when it comes back in the fall, it will be with months of Conservative
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advocacy on the behalf of Canadians that has happened in the meantime. So I look forward
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to continuing to fight, you know, with our Conservative team for Canadians because, you
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know, Canada needs a champion. And sadly, we don't see that in Mr. Trudeau's government.
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And I also give you and the team credit for your continual work on showcasing what a disaster
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our airports are, especially Pearson International. So Greg?
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Well, it's been an interesting winter-spring session here. And you look at how much the
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Liberals want this to end at this point in time, because everything we've said for years
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now is coming to pass for them. World security is a big problem for them. They want that to
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go away, because we've said you've got to start preparing for the future here. Energy
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security is front line for all these people at this point in time, particularly with our allies
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in Europe. We've been saying this for a long time. Inflation is mounting like crazy. Liberals
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just don't want to deal with this. The solutions are there for them. We've proposed those solutions,
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and they're not taking it up at this point in time. It's only a matter of time before
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people start saying, there's a party here putting forward viable solutions for the problems
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we're facing in Canada and the world, both from an economic perspective, a security perspective,
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and an environmental perspective. And the Liberals are not approaching those at all right
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now. I don't know if it's because it's not in their backyard that they haven't thought
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this up, but I do think there's an agenda here that we are ahead of, and we are going
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to continue to press these points going forward. Well, the NDP wants to tax excess profits on the
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oil and gas industry, which will only do what? Increase the price of fuel. One taxpayer at the
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end of the day. It is absolutely unbelievable. Gentlemen, it's been a pleasure. I have so many
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more questions and more conversation, but unfortunately, we only have so much time. So I
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appreciate your being here today. Of course, Michael Barrett, the Member of Parliament for Leeds,
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Grenville, Thousand Island, Arrito Lakes, also the critic for health. Beside him is Greg McLean,
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the Member of Parliament for Calgary Centre, and also the critic for natural resources.
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