The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - What’s really happening behind closed doors in Ottawa？

00:00:00.000 Hello and welcome once again to The Blueprints. This is Canada's Conservative Podcast. I'm your

00:00:14.140 host, Jamie Schmael, Member of Parliament for Halliburton-Cawortha Lakes, with new content for

00:00:18.140 you every single Tuesday, 1.30pm Eastern Time. Don't forget to like, comment, subscribe and

00:00:22.800 share this program, because on today's show, we're talking about Liberal insiders getting rich,

00:00:28.560 The Prime Minister being an advanced team for Brookfield, all while Canadians struggle to pay their bills.

00:00:34.580 To talk about this, we bring on the Chair of the Ethics Committee, also the Member of Parliament for Barrie South Innisfil, Jean Broussard.

00:00:41.660 Thanks for coming on the show.

00:00:42.740 That's quite the introduction. My dad'll like that.

00:00:45.440 I tried to get a bit of French in there.

00:00:47.100 It's great to be on the World's Number Two podcast next to Joe Rogan.

00:00:51.420 That's right.

00:00:51.800 This is awesome.

00:00:52.720 I'm glad you acknowledge that fact and are willing to help us become number one.

00:00:56.980 I'm looking forward to speaking to your millions of viewers.

00:01:00.440 Well, unfortunately, the topic isn't that great.

00:01:03.820 No, it isn't.

00:01:04.280 It's not rosy.

00:01:05.300 It's appropriate.

00:01:06.100 Yeah, it's pretty sad, actually.

00:01:08.860 We have your committee, the Ethics Committee, doing kind of a deep dive into what started as the Ethics Act, the review, the Conflict of Interest Act, that kind of guides parliamentarians to be good boys and girls.

00:01:23.760 Unfortunately, it kind of took a bit of a detour.

00:01:25.700 Why don't you tell us a bit about that?

00:01:27.540 Yeah, so we started off with a review of the Conflict of Interest Act.

00:01:30.960 It hadn't been done in years.

00:01:34.140 You know, obviously, you know, members of Parliament, designated public office holders

00:01:38.820 are held to an account, you know, not just under the Act,

00:01:43.420 and there are certain requirements under the Act that we all have to follow.

00:01:46.700 But, you know, we started studying it as a review of the Act.

00:01:51.000 And then, you know, as more and more witnesses started appearing, you know, the question became about the Prime Minister's conflicts of interest and how that relates to the current situation, you know, the blind trusts, the ethics screens that have been put in place.

00:02:09.940 all of that started bubbling onto the surface. We actually had a Brookfield executive that came in

00:02:16.100 and spoke to the Ethics Committee as well about what the Prime Minister stands to gain as a result

00:02:22.020 of his stock options, his deferred stock units, and the carried interest. If Brookfield does well,

00:02:29.460 how well does the Prime Minister do? So we've moved in that direction. As it stands right now,

00:02:36.980 Now we've completed the study and we are writing a report that should be made public soon with

00:02:45.980 some recommendations to the government on how to deal with issues related to the Conflict

00:02:50.520 of Interest Act, particularly loopholes that can be used by designated public office holders.

00:02:56.900 We've been very careful in this study that it not be specifically about the prime minister,

00:03:04.380 but more so about designated public office holders and their obligations under the Conflict

00:03:09.160 of Interest Act.

00:03:11.420 The reality is that we've got a Prime Minister now that has never been as conflicted in office

00:03:18.720 as this one is, Prime Minister Carney, as it relates to his shares, all the things that

00:03:25.100 I mentioned earlier.

00:03:26.100 And so we are looking to, as we suggest to the government to amend the Act, to look at

00:03:32.800 closing some of these loopholes that exist.

00:03:36.420 So, you know, I can't speak to where, you know, we're at with respect to the report,

00:03:41.300 but I can tell you that, you know, we've taken into consideration a lot of the testimony

00:03:47.300 that was given to the committee and we'll be making the appropriate recommendations to the government.

00:03:52.140 This isn't the first time we've had you on the show to talk about this.

00:03:54.860 It was a few months ago we brought this on because it was determined that Carney had

00:04:00.140 a lot more conflicts of interest than he actually led on to and disclosed to the public, really.

00:04:05.740 Yeah, it was after the election, actually, because if you recall, you know, there was

00:04:11.420 that really tense interaction between Rosemary Barton when she dared question the Prime Minister

00:04:17.940 about his conflicts of interest because none of them had been revealed at that point.

00:04:22.980 And I believe at the time when I was on the show earlier, I said, we really need to keep

00:04:27.200 an eye on this because, as we found out subsequently, the amount of shares that he owns and what

00:04:38.400 we've found out since, as it relates specifically to the Brookfield Green Transition Fund, the

00:04:44.880 amount of entities, as I said earlier, the stock options, stock units, and carried interest

00:04:49.460 that he stands to gain, he can make millions and millions of dollars if the Transition

00:04:56.580 Fund and some of his stocks and other things do well as a result of the decisions that

00:05:02.860 are made by this government in relation to what he holds.

00:05:08.960 And again, I think I mentioned it last time I was here, the Prime Minister had been an

00:05:14.220 economic advisor to the Liberal Party in the Prime Minister's office since 2020.

00:05:19.360 Not paid, so he didn't have to disclose any of his conflicts.

00:05:22.420 It wasn't subject to the same regime as designated public office holders are.

00:05:29.300 And I said this publicly in the House of Commons on December 2nd, 2025.

00:05:33.900 I talked about the alignment between government policy as it related to some of the green funds that had been created under the advice of Mark Carney, as it relates to his role as economic advisor, and how many of them were aligning with Brookfield's strategy.

00:05:52.420 whether it was a green fund, a $15 billion green fund, and other decisions that were

00:05:57.420 being made by the Trudeau government at the time.

00:05:59.840 You know, I said in the House that, you know, having Trudeau as Prime Minister was a dream

00:06:05.140 for these well-connected Liberal insiders, you know, the lobbyists, you know, some of

00:06:10.540 the others that are, you know, family members and all that stuff, because Trudeau was playing

00:06:16.360 Prime Minister, and what they were doing was setting the stage for, in my opinion, and,

00:06:22.360 It's starting to prove itself true that they were setting the stage to align those government policies with their own interests

00:06:29.320 that were going to pay them millions and millions of dollars, right?

00:06:34.240 Not just the prime minister as it relates to what he holds in his so-called blind trust, but others as well.

00:06:40.760 That's the problem when you get government centralizing all this money going out the door, right?

00:06:47.840 You have companies applying for government funds

00:06:52.740 with a set of criteria.

00:06:55.300 So really, what you have to do is line up your values

00:06:59.120 or where you want to apply to

00:07:01.660 to match what the government wants.

00:07:05.100 So you're not really getting innovation.

00:07:07.100 You're not getting what the market wants.

00:07:08.660 You're getting government innovation.

00:07:10.760 You're getting politically decided upon outcomes.

00:07:14.980 That's what it is.

00:07:15.820 It's not a free market system.

00:07:17.840 So, I'll add to that.

00:07:21.900 If you have well-connected insiders or well-connected lobbyists who can basically beat down the

00:07:28.800 front door of not just the prime minister's office, but any other minister's office, they'll

00:07:34.160 have access that normal people won't have access to.

00:07:38.600 Yeah, it consolidates that.

00:07:40.320 Right.

00:07:41.320 So, it is open to corruption.

00:07:44.700 It is open to cronyism.

00:07:46.560 It is open to preferred treatment of individuals that are connected.

00:07:55.660 During the testimony, we had Justin Bieber, who is the Chief Financial Officer for Brookfield,

00:08:00.880 not that Justin Bieber, the other Justin Bieber, who came to the committee.

00:08:05.880 We actually summoned both the CEO and the Chair of Brookfield to come to the committee,

00:08:11.320 but they don't live in the country, so the power of summoning wasn't available to us

00:08:15.340 to them.

00:08:16.340 They instead sent the CFO.

00:08:19.640 And, you know, what was curious about this, despite the ethics screen that's been in place, that's been put in place,

00:08:26.820 that's supposedly monitored by Michael Savia and Andre Glashard, who's the chief of staff and the clerk of the Privy Council,

00:08:36.520 Mr. Bieber admitted to the committee that he had access to the prime minister's office by one simple phone call.

00:08:43.000 This is the same Justin Bieber who said that the Prime Minister stands to gain millions and millions of dollars through these units, or he didn't refer to them as units, but they're stock units, deferred stock options, and carried interest.

00:08:58.820 So it just goes to show that, you know, Mr. Beaver had access because of his connection to Mr. Kearney through Brookfield that I guarantee you no other Canadian would have access to unless you're that well connected.

00:09:14.060 And so we saw that happen.

00:09:16.540 You know, he admitted that at committee.

00:09:19.260 But, you know, it's just there's just so much going on with this.

00:09:23.080 And we can literally talk for hours.

00:09:25.100 Well, let's cue up cup one here.

00:09:26.560 Let's cue up cup one.

00:09:27.600 But here's the other way to put it, right, to build on what you've said as well.

00:09:31.720 When you have a bunch of lobbyists and lawyers within the Ottawa bubble applying for all these grants, using the connections, getting your buddy some contracts to decide what you want, it's easier for a company to do that.

00:09:46.480 It's easier for a company to deal with a handful of bureaucrats and politicians to get them to sign off on funding for your project than it is to go to the marketplace and convince 41 million Canadians that your product is better than the one that they may already be using.

00:10:03.260 Or tell them why your product deserves to be sold into their hands for Canadians to spend their money on that project.

00:10:10.940 It's so much easier dealing with government.

00:10:13.160 That's why government gets bigger and that's why people cozy up.

00:10:16.140 I'll let you comment on that.

00:10:17.680 Let's play cut one.

00:10:20.460 Increases in Brookfield's performance increases the value of the instruments that Mark Carney still holds.

00:10:27.760 So he makes more when Brookfield does better.

00:10:31.680 Yes?

00:10:31.980 In relation to the stock options and deferred share units, yes.

00:10:35.540 As the value of Brookfield increases, the value of those instruments increase.

00:10:39.720 There are also carried interest entitlements that relate more specifically to funds that we manage.

00:10:46.140 Okay.

00:10:48.140 You wanted to respond.

00:10:49.140 Yeah.

00:10:50.140 So that was Mr. Beaver, who prior to that comment or just after that comment had said

00:10:55.600 that he had called the prime minister and had access to the prime minister.

00:11:00.020 That's not relating to the comment that he just made.

00:11:02.960 And I think this is critical because the prime minister holds a tremendous, and his office

00:11:08.140 hold a tremendous amount of power.

00:11:09.940 They have a, the levers of power are all theirs.

00:11:13.580 policy decision that's being made at that level and disseminated down through ministers and

00:11:20.300 deputy ministers and eventually the bureaucracy, the prime minister is aware of what those

00:11:26.500 decisions are and how it relates to what he holds in his blind trust. And Jamie, what he holds in

00:11:34.220 his blind trust may be blind to Canadians, but it's not blind to him. So when we talk about

00:11:40.940 government policy. When we talk about government policy, he knows everything. He knows everything

00:11:45.280 that's in there. When we talk about government policy, whether it's related to artificial

00:11:51.800 intelligence, who's the biggest investor in artificial intelligence right now? Brookfield.

00:11:59.940 Whether it relates to nuclear, who owns nuclear? Westinghouse and Cameco. I mean, the list is as

00:12:07.840 long as the date. But what's really interesting and where he was talking about this carried interest

00:12:13.480 where the Prime Minister stands to make millions of dollars is through the Brookfield Green

00:12:17.840 Transition Fund One. Within that company, there are literally 2,000 entities that are within that

00:12:27.060 company. And every one of those entities that does well, and it also includes partnerships with

00:12:33.980 pension plans, et cetera, every one of those entities that does well means that the prime

00:12:40.460 minister does very well, right? So this alignment of government policy to Brookfield's strategy

00:12:48.560 is almost the perfect storm for the prime minister to use that leverage and those levers of power

00:12:56.440 in order to enrich himself and make millions of dollars. But here's the interesting part of this.

00:13:03.980 And that is that the Conflict of Interest Act, as it stands, there's a loophole in it where you can literally drive a truck through it that allows the Prime Minister, it's called the General Application Rule, that allows the Prime Minister, in this case Mark Carney, to make decisions of government policy despite the fact, if they're on a broader level, right?

00:13:32.500 Well, all decisions at that level are made broadly.

00:13:36.140 It allows him to participate in that decision, and he knows that within his blind trust, every one of those policy decisions can actually benefit him.

00:13:49.880 And so this is, when we had witnesses come in and talk to the committee about the general application rule, the majority of witnesses said that that loophole needs to be closed.

00:14:02.860 And there were many others that suggested, for example, that if we are going to gain trust in, you know, the Prime Minister's office, and I want to make this clear too, this, you know, we've been very careful not to make this about Mark Carney, okay?

00:14:20.880 As difficult as that has been, because, you know, like, look, this is, he's got a lot of investments, a lot of interest in the success of government policy.

00:14:30.780 What we've really been trying to do is look at the act as a whole and say, okay, how can we ensure that the public has trust that the decisions that are being made are in the interest of the country and not in the interest of any one individual who holds that office, who holds the levers of power,

00:14:56.040 who has the power of decision-making that can benefit themselves or their corporate partners, insiders, lobbyists, and all that stuff.

00:15:07.800 So we've really been walking that fine line.

00:15:11.500 And so as it relates to the general application rule, many witnesses said that we need to close that loophole.

00:15:16.620 And there were other witnesses that said the only way to eliminate this conflict, perceived or real, is complete divestment.

00:15:26.040 Complete divestment of the assets, because then Canadians and the public can be assured that the decisions that are being made are not in the interest to increase the value of the holdings of the designated public officer that's making those decisions.

00:15:42.320 In fact, when we had Michael Sabia, who's the clerk of the Privy Council, he came before the committee and he was asked point blank, you know, did you, you know, what have you done with your Brookfield assets?

00:15:54.180 He said he sold them all.

00:15:56.500 He sold them all prior to taking that position because he did not want the perception, real or otherwise, of any conflicts of interest.

00:16:06.440 And what's interesting is that Michael Sabia and André Blanchard are the two people that are entrusted to look after the prime minister's ethics screen.

00:16:16.280 And there were others that came to the committee and said, that is problematic in a way that, you know, these two people are political appointees of the prime minister.

00:16:26.460 They're beholden to the prime minister.

00:16:28.320 And so can we trust that they are putting up this screen in good faith?

00:16:33.860 And we've seen, you know, over the many trips that the Prime Minister has taken, that he's actually met with former business partners when he was chair of Brookfield in India, for example.

00:16:48.820 We've seen other examples of where he's actually met.

00:16:51.680 Kind of weird, yeah.

00:16:52.260 That Brookfield would follow or the Prime Minister would follow a visit from executives.

00:16:57.280 It's kind of interesting.

00:16:58.440 It's the same thing.

00:16:59.320 you know, the ethics screen is designed to, you know, shield him from those conflicts, right? So,

00:17:07.020 you know, for example, I'm of the opinion that the minute that Mr. Beaver made that phone call

00:17:12.060 to the prime minister's office, I mean, that should have sent up a flag right away because

00:17:17.620 of the connection to Brookfield, okay? The same thing with some of the business, former business

00:17:22.640 associates who have connections to Brookfield in India and other countries. There's no way that he

00:17:27.640 should have been meeting with any of those people because of those former connections that he had

00:17:32.540 with Brookfield. So the ethics screen is actually more of a smoke screen now, and we are not, you

00:17:39.480 know, we're not aware of who the prime minister is. In fact, I tweeted at one point, like, obviously

00:17:45.460 it's not working because, you know, if you have, if the prime minister has a connection to any of

00:17:50.400 these people through his connections with Brookfield, he shouldn't be meeting with them at all. You

00:17:55.380 You know, whether there's a conflict or not, the appearance of a conflict then kicks in.

00:18:00.240 And that's where, you know, Canadians should be rightly concerned.

00:18:03.560 I said this in the House several times that, you know, it's funny because the prime minister is acting more like a, not a PM, you know, the PM prime minister.

00:18:16.120 He's acting more like a PM portfolio manager, right?

00:18:19.780 Because it seems like everywhere he goes and every trip, it's either an advanced trip, and then Brookfield follows, or it's a follow-up trip after Brookfield has been there.

00:18:29.580 And no greater example of that was when the prime minister was down in Washington, and a few weeks after, President Trump announced with Brookfield that they were signing an $80 billion nuclear deal with Westinghouse, who just happens to be owned by Brookfield.

00:18:46.100 So, you know, there's so much.

00:18:49.700 There is.

00:18:50.380 There's so much to unpackage with all of this.

00:18:52.000 Well, let's keep up cut two here.

00:18:53.140 That's what we're trying to do.

00:18:54.900 Let's keep up cut two here.

00:18:56.440 This is a rare occurrence.

00:18:58.920 The Prime Minister looks like he's in Canada here.

00:19:01.960 But even rarer is the fact he's giving a press conference, which he's been known.

00:19:07.120 Of course, it's only bad when the Conservatives don't give a press conference.

00:19:10.800 But Liberals can go days, if not weeks, without giving one.

00:19:13.120 It's no big deal. 0.80

00:19:13.960 Anyway, play cut two.

00:19:14.900 We understand that you have now placed your assets in a blind trust, so you don't know what's happening to them going forward, but you knew what they were going in to that blind trust. So what are they?

00:19:26.380 Look, Stephanie, I follow the rules of the Ethics Commissioner.

00:19:34.300 I'm following them well in advance of any of the requirements.

00:19:38.740 As you know, because I know you know this, you know that these requirements come into

00:19:43.920 effect in months.

00:19:46.160 We're talking days after I became Prime Minister.

00:19:50.200 So I'm complying with the rules of the Ethics Commissioner, going through the processes

00:19:54.120 and all the things that are necessary.

00:19:56.640 What do you think?

00:19:57.540 Well, that's the answer to everything.

00:19:58.820 I'm complying by the rules.

00:20:00.260 It's been heard before.

00:20:01.180 Who said that before?

00:20:02.120 Someone else told that before.

00:20:03.280 I think Justin Trudeau.

00:20:04.160 Yeah, Justin Trudeau and a few others.

00:20:05.960 You and I have been here the same amount of time.

00:20:07.860 Same amount of time.

00:20:08.680 We've heard this shtick before.

00:20:10.520 So, you know, the act, as I said before, has various things within it, loopholes and other

00:20:17.200 things that need to be tightened up because we've never experienced a situation like

00:20:21.460 we have now with the Prime Minister.

00:20:24.460 And again, we're not solely focused on him.

00:20:28.040 We're trying to do the right thing here

00:20:30.040 and to protect the integrity of the institution

00:20:33.820 of Prime Minister, but also that people are aware

00:20:36.960 and that it's transparent to all Canadians

00:20:39.380 what's going on.

00:20:41.500 Look, I was born at night, but I wasn't born last night.

00:20:44.960 He knows exactly what's in his blind trust.

00:20:47.520 Yes, anyone would.

00:20:48.320 I mean, like, come on, let's face it.

00:20:49.820 But this is a track record of how Liberals operate, right?

00:20:52.760 We've, just in recent history, like recent memory, but have been forgotten, memory hold by the media.

00:20:59.540 Don't forget the Green Slush Fund, right?

00:21:00.960 Where the Prime Minister put the buddies on the board to decide where the money goes.

00:21:05.220 And the buddies started thinking, well, we can just approve funding on our own companies.

00:21:11.020 So I'll leave the room, you approve my funding for my company, and then you leave the room when your company's up for a grant and we'll grant that.

00:21:17.940 Like that in itself in normal times and normal times would have brought down a government, but it's just, well, it's only a couple million, hundred million, who cares?

00:21:29.680 Now you have this with Brookfield.

00:21:31.420 Now, put up the next graphic here.

00:21:34.140 We have a bunch of Liberals getting a below market loan, $206 million for a wind farm in Nova Scotia.

00:21:46.100 And I don't know how clearly you can see that on the screen.

00:21:49.640 Well, I mean, the two names, Samson.

00:21:51.980 Yeah, he was just a member of Parliament.

00:21:54.300 Darrell was a member of Parliament for Nova Scotia.

00:21:58.060 So you've got, you know, brother.

00:22:00.300 Brother of Scott Bryson.

00:22:01.320 Both of them are connected, right?

00:22:02.740 You've got the brother of Liberal MP.

00:22:04.780 You've got Mitchell Bryson, the brother of Scott Bryson.

00:22:06.980 Everybody knows who Scott Bryson is.

00:22:09.200 And David Dingball, he was the entitled to my entitlements guy.

00:22:13.240 Entitled to my entitlements.

00:22:14.080 But, you know, it goes back to the point.

00:22:15.840 I said earlier about, you know, if you're a well-connected insider, you're a corporate

00:22:20.900 buddy or a high-priced lobbyist, you have access to things that, you know, normal people

00:22:29.340 don't have access.

00:22:30.360 And while these people are doing well, and as the prime minister does well, and as the,

00:22:37.240 you know, those well-connected insiders, family members, lobbyists, and liberal connected

00:22:44.200 insiders, as they all do well, you know, the people that they govern over are suffering,

00:22:49.440 right?

00:22:50.440 Yes.

00:22:51.440 You know, and as I've said many times, you know, they have complete and unfettered access

00:22:55.220 to the Treasury.

00:22:56.220 And you look at what's gone on over the last year, and we're going to talk about the economics

00:23:00.820 of it.

00:23:01.820 I mean, the debt right now, they just announced, you know, through the last budget that they

00:23:07.740 were going to raise the debt ceiling to 2.3 trillion from where it is right now at 1.4.

00:23:13.520 The deficit now is greater under Mark Carney as it was under Justin Trudeau.

00:23:22.060 So it's a veritable all-you-can-take buffet that's going on because they now have access

00:23:30.020 to the Treasury.

00:23:33.020 These are the type of people, those well-connected insiders, all the things that I talked about,

00:23:38.180 they're the ones that are benefiting

00:23:40.740 while the people they govern over are suffering, right?

00:23:45.220 With food inflation, with housing affordability,

00:23:48.280 housing attainability, all that stuff.

00:23:50.160 The Liberals have never had it so good

00:23:52.300 as they have it right now.

00:23:53.120 Well, even look at their policies

00:23:54.860 that they've unveiled so far, the housing policy.

00:23:57.300 There's not barely anything in there

00:23:59.600 to talk about home ownership.

00:24:01.240 It's all rental units, subsidized housing.

00:24:03.300 So all government projects,

00:24:05.540 the Alto train line that runs from Montreal to Toronto,

00:24:10.020 government money, all of these,

00:24:12.000 government money on the wind farm.

00:24:14.000 They're not talking about private sector investments.

00:24:16.280 What they're talking about when they say investments

00:24:18.560 in the economy are these nation building projects,

00:24:21.060 it's all government funded projects.

00:24:23.520 We want more private sector investment

00:24:25.460 to spur the economy and actually go

00:24:28.560 where their market wants to go.

00:24:30.220 And that's what people desire.

00:24:32.540 People desire things and the market follows.

00:24:35.540 or leads, right?

00:24:37.940 The government's always behind

00:24:39.480 in any of these circumstances.

00:24:41.360 And in these cases,

00:24:42.660 you get government-connected people

00:24:44.980 getting rich while everyone else starves.

00:24:49.800 It's a similar story wherever in the world.

00:24:52.080 Look, anywhere you go in the world.

00:24:53.880 Are you done?

00:24:54.220 This is what happened.

00:24:54.700 Yeah, I'm feeling bad.

00:24:56.240 I got you on a rant.

00:24:56.920 Yeah, I got you on a rant.

00:24:57.500 Well, you know,

00:24:58.160 it's important that you bring this up

00:24:59.760 because, you know,

00:25:01.180 we sit here as members of parliament.

00:25:03.720 You know, as chair of the ethics committee,

00:25:05.400 I have a front row seat, to all of this stuff that's going on.

00:25:09.620 You know, there are independent journalists who are uncovering these things.

00:25:16.300 You know, I can think, you know, Moose on the Loose, if people aren't following him,

00:25:21.400 they should, because he's uncovering, like, look, we have our own shop, right,

00:25:26.060 internal shop, and we're doing much of the same work that he's doing.

00:25:30.180 But, you know, there are places for people to go to truly understand what the hell is going on in this country and who is getting rich from the Treasury right now.

00:25:45.360 And, of course, the blueprint.

00:25:47.360 Well, and that's it.

00:25:48.440 You know, the world's second leading popular podcast next to Joe Rogan.

00:25:52.760 But, you know, like it's frustrating for us as members of Parliament because we see it, right?

00:25:57.440 But we don't see, what we don't see is mainstream media, we don't see the CBC or CTV talking

00:26:04.140 about any of this stuff.

00:26:05.140 And I'll give you an example.

00:26:06.140 You can't bite the hand that feeds you.

00:26:07.140 I'll give you an example.

00:26:08.140 And look, I don't discourage the Prime Minister from going on a vacation.

00:26:11.140 Sure, knock yourself out.

00:26:12.140 He was just in Rome and all that stuff, and of course, we saw the videos of him in the

00:26:16.920 Sistine Chapel enjoying a concert and stuff like that.

00:26:20.080 But here's what they did, and look, there's no secrets in Ottawa.

00:26:24.300 We'll find this out, right?

00:26:25.300 And I'm telling you today what they did.

00:26:27.340 So when he went to Norway, he went to northern Canada, made an announcement in his newly picked

00:26:34.280 up riding Nunavut because of the floor crossing, took the big A330, the big government jet

00:26:40.940 over there.

00:26:41.940 Then he went to Norway on the big government jet.

00:26:45.220 Then at some point, they took the Challenger jet, right?

00:26:49.940 The smaller jet that crisscrosses the country.

00:26:53.000 They brought it to Norway, presumably it was empty except for the pilots.

00:26:57.800 They went from Norway to London in that jet, and then they went from London to Rome in

00:27:04.980 the Challenger.

00:27:06.520 So at that point, they would have had to fly the 330 back to Ottawa.

00:27:11.740 So he's sitting in Rome in the Challenger.

00:27:14.280 The Challenger then comes back, and we know this because it's easy to track.

00:27:17.640 Yes, it is.

00:27:18.640 It's a flight tracker.

00:27:19.640 There are people tracking this thing.

00:27:21.180 the challenger back from Rome to Portugal, refuels, and then takes it from Portugal to Ottawa.

00:27:27.480 Like, what a waste, right? And we have people in this country, and look, we can go on all day

00:27:34.480 about the wastage in government, but it just goes to show just that level of entitlement that exists

00:27:46.500 right now that is frustrating for us because you're getting calls and i'm getting calls from

00:27:51.720 people who can barely afford groceries who can barely afford to keep a roof over their head

00:27:56.900 and yet this entitlement and this access to the treasury is ongoing this wastage is going on

00:28:04.860 right and that's what's frustrating to me and yet you know people you know they're so focused on

00:28:10.860 on other things that are, you know, that are, that are, you know, in some cases, not even relevant

00:28:18.440 to what's happening here in this country. And, and what's happening is that, in my opinion,

00:28:24.520 those levers and the power of the prime minister's office is being used, you know, for, for purposes

00:28:32.320 to benefit, not the population,

00:28:35.940 but for this well-connected cabal of liberal insiders

00:28:41.320 who are just feasting right now.

00:28:43.400 They're just feasting right now.

00:28:44.680 And it's almost like an industry unto itself.

00:28:46.900 And it's frustrating for me.

00:28:48.500 And I would put the prime minister

00:28:50.480 into that category as well

00:28:52.000 because of all that he stands to gain

00:28:54.620 as a result of this alignment of government policy

00:28:57.020 to, you know, the principle of, you know, public risk for private return is very much

00:29:03.960 alive in this country, and that is putting up public money, taxpayer, harder earned taxpayer

00:29:10.020 money that the government gets from its population, and turning that into private return for some

00:29:19.120 of these companies.

00:29:20.120 And, you know, we haven't even touched on, you know, some of the things that he's got

00:29:23.620 in the United States and how that benefits him.

00:29:26.000 But, you know, he knows full well what's in his blind trust,

00:29:28.560 and he's benefiting from it.

00:29:29.720 Not only that, he moved his company to the United States

00:29:31.580 to get a better deal.

00:29:32.040 He did that in November of 2025.

00:29:34.680 Yeah, just before.

00:29:35.520 Just before him.

00:29:36.440 John, we've gone way over time.

00:29:38.480 But good show, good topic, lots to talk about,

00:29:41.480 interesting stuff.

00:29:42.360 I give the guest the last word to close it out.

00:29:45.260 The floor is yours.

00:29:46.800 I just encourage people to, you know,

00:29:50.000 As easy as it is to get distracted by the situation in the United States, I just want to remind everybody that every single problem we have in this country, every single one, crime, immigration, housing affordability, housing attainability, inflation, the lowest growth in the G7, highest inflation in the G7, 1.00

00:30:14.880 you know, crime pervading our streets, the immigrants, all that stuff was happening long 0.96

00:30:20.680 before Donald Trump became the president of the United States. And it's continuing under this new 1.00

00:30:26.260 liberal prime minister. And I also encourage people to really keep an eye on, you know,

00:30:31.600 what's happening in precisely what we talked about. You know, like, I'm not kidding you when

00:30:37.400 I say this, this consumes me, Jane, 24 hours a day, seven days a week, I'm thinking about this.

00:30:42.260 And then I see the announcements coming out, I see the meetings that he's having with people, and I can't help but think, because he's still fully invested in all of this stuff, that he's not doing it for the good of the general population, that he's doing it to increase the size of his portfolio and ensure that his corporate buddies and others are benefiting at the same time.

00:31:05.780 So, I encourage people to keep an eye on this.

00:31:09.380 And keep an eye on this report when it's done at the Ethics Committee.

00:31:14.180 Keep an eye on it, because I think it's going to have some information that's going to pique a lot of interest.

00:31:19.660 All right, John Bursard, Member of Parliament for Barry South Innisfil.

00:31:22.860 Thank you very much for your time, Chair of the Ethics Committee.

00:31:25.580 You heard the guy.

00:31:26.780 This is a message you are definitely not getting in the mainstream media.

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The Blueprint: Canada's Conservative Podcast - April 07, 2026

What’s really happening behind closed doors in Ottawa？

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