$486 BILLION？! Carney’s First Budget BLOWS Past Expectations
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Join Candice and Chris as they discuss Andrew Lawton's maiden speech to the House of Commons, his new role as a member of Parliament, and his plan to spend $486 billion in the upcoming federal budget.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode. Happy
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Friday, everyone. Hopefully you have a wonderful weekend planned ahead of you. I'm very pleased
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to be joined by one of my favorite guests here on The Candice Malcolm Show, talking
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about Chris Sims. She is the Alberta Director of the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. And
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Chris, you co-hosted our, or you helped co-host our election night show. So I think you were
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on at the very beginning, and then like eight hours later, you did the last hour with us.
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So fun bookend on that end. But I want to first welcome you to the show. We're going
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to talk about Carney's spending plan, which is unbelievable. But first, we thought we
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would share this with the audience. Andrew Lawton, former journalist and colleague here with
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me and at True North. He is now a member of Parliament, as you know, and he made his maiden
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speech to the House of Commons. He slammed the Liberals' renewed sense of patriotism, saying
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that he was always waving the Canadian flag proudly. Let's play that clip.
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Unlike Liberals who wrap themselves in the flag when it is politically convenient, I am not
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a fair-weather patriot. And we will always, on this side of the aisle, Mr. Speaker, stand
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up for Canada and be proud in our Canadian identity and proud of our country. I do not take the
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fair-weather patriots, those with their newfound celebration of Canadianism, with their flags
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still creased and wrapped in plastic, practically, as they seek to lecture Canadians on what it
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means to be an elbows-up Canadian. Mr. Speaker, I will always and have always waved the Canadian
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flag proudly. And I will not stand by, will those who were denigrating people who did that
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years ago claim to have the moral high ground on what it means to be a Canadian now?
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So great to see Andrew out there while just doing that job. Chris, what do you make of Andrew's
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election? And I guess since I haven't spoken to you since the election night, what was your
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thoughts on the first few weeks of the Kearney government here? Goodness, it's been kind of a
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wild ride, eh? It seems like all of us have been going kind of full throttle with work ever since
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former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau said he was going to eventually be resigning. And I think that
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was back in January. So it's been a long bit of work here for a lot of the kind of freedom-fighting
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oriented type people, including people like Andrew. So I know Andrew personally. Back when you and I
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were at Sun News Network together, we used to book him all the time when he had his London talk radio
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show. It's going back a few years now. And so just as a human being, I'm happy for him as a friend.
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And what he's saying there about the Canadian flag is so true. Even apart from the convoy,
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like on July 1st, I could always count on Andrew. I could go look at his social media feeds and he
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would just be like full of the Canadian flag, like wearing the hat, wearing the dorky sunglasses. It
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was great. So hearing him actually express himself that way was wonderful. And in a really serious
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note, I know that there's a few things that he really wants to highlight, especially for folks
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who are struggling with mental illness and the options that they have that are beneficial for them.
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I know this is something that's really personally important to him. And as a member of parliament,
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even though he's what's called a newbie or a backbencher or whatever, when you start doing
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committee work or even prep work for folks who are on committees, it gives you the ability to really
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speak to experts and really connect with Canadians from all walks of life and start really digging deep
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on these issues. So I just wish him all the best in that vein. I think he'll be a very responsible
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member of parliament just to keep your receipts, Andrew. Sorry. Got it.
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Well, I was going to say you went from being your friend to a potential adversary. I know that the
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CTF's job is to keep those guys accountable, responsible, but I have a feeling you'll have
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an easy job when it comes to keeping Andrew honest. Okay, let's go to the not so honest
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politicians talking about the liberals who have tabled a Trudeau-sized spending plan with more to
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come. This is really unbelievable. So Carney has tabled a $486 billion spending plan. Remember
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last week he told us that we weren't going to get a budget, his finance minister said we weren't going
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to get a budget. They got so much pushback, they decided to table the spending plan. And so here
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is, I'll read a little bit from Global News. The Carney government presented parliament Tuesday with a
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plan to spend about the same amount of money in the fiscal year ahead as a Trudeau government did in
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its final year, about $486 billion. Spending plan is almost certain to change when it's updated in
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the fall, when it's likely to include nearly $24 billion in spending commitments for this year
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that the liberals promised during the election campaign. There was no evidence that the spending
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plan tabled Tuesday contained, for example, $3.5 billion that campaigning liberals said they would
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spend this year on trade diversification, quarters, fund during the campaign the liberals promised to
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boost CBC's funding by $150 million. But in the tabled plan, CBC's budget was up just $42 million.
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So presumably there's more to come. Your colleague, Chris, over at the CTF, Franco Terrazzino,
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said that the federal spending in the main estimate nearly doubled in just 10 years. So in 2016,
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when Justin Trudeau had initially promised that he would just run modest deficits of $10 billion before
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getting back to balance, back then it was only $250 billion that we're spending. We're now spending
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$487 billion, he says. Somebody take away the credit card. So what do you make of all this,
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It's really astonishing. And I don't want to blackpill people here because I know that things
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have been a little rough the last few weeks when they're trying to figure out what to fight next
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and how to aim for something that's positive. But I got to say, this amount of money, like $400
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something billion, our national debt is like $1.2, $1.3 trillion.
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So that amount of billions is half a trillion dollars in spending. It is a mind-blowing amount
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of money. And what really gets me is that I don't have very thick rose-colored glasses anymore. I've
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been in the game too long. I'm very skeptical of all forms of government. But when they announced
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that Mark Carney was the frontrunner of the liberals for leadership, this little teeny tiny spark in me
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thought, well, at least he understands fiscal policy or monetary policy, right? The central banker
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should know how to math the math. But no, the central banker is going to be worse with money
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than the drama teacher. Like, I actually became more disillusioned then. So I'm just hoping that
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because they're at a minority, and because we can't, we can't spend more money, we can't tax people more,
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you can't get blood out of a stone, that there will be enough Canadians speak up against these MPs,
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including those liberal MPs, that there'll be enough pressure put on Carney, that some form of common
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sense deep down inside of him will say, you know what, I'm going to take the Paul Martin route of being a
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liberal prime minister or a liberal finance minister. I'm going to take that route, and we're going to start
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cutting back on spending. So I'm really encouraging people just to continue to be in the fight, keep being
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Well, it's so true. So many people, I think even centrists and blue liberals call them, believe that Mark
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Carney was a big enough change from Justin Trudeau, and that that was good enough to satiate the need for change
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in the country, partially for what you just described. Like, he's a central banker. He should be able to run the
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country fiscally and responsibly, and you would think that that would be his, he'd want that to be his
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legacy, that his legacy would be he came in, Canada was in big trouble, and he seared the ship and got us
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out of it. But yet, from this plan, it seems like, you know, his strategy is really to just double down
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and do the same thing, which I think is cause for huge concern. I want to talk about the consultant
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spending increases. So here we have the conservative shadow minister of finance saying this on X, saying that
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liberal consulting under Mark Carney has surged to $26 billion, up from Trudeau's already bloated $19
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billion. Carney says spending is focused on investing for Canadians, but is this seriously
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calling billions in consulting fees an investment? This is something I don't understand, right? Because
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with Justin Trudeau, it's like he grew the size of government, he increased the number of bureaucrats,
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and then simultaneously, he also started using consultants, which makes no sense to me, right? Like,
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why do we need consultants in government when we have the bureaucrats? And, you know, as much as we
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may criticize bureaucrats in Canada, it's like, you know, they're earnest people, they show up to do a
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hard-stay work day in and day out, they're committed to their job, they get paid modestly, it's not like
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they're living high lives and getting rich, necessarily. Whereas a consultant, you know, I don't know what kind of
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fees they're charging, and it just seems like an exorbitant expense, $26 billion in consulting when we
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already have a very large civil service in Canada. Like, make it make sense to me, Chris.
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I will try. So first off, on the bureaucrats, they actually do get paid quite a bit. The average
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bureaucrat salary now is about $125,000 per year. I was surprised by that, too. I was assuming it would
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be just under $100,000 or so, because there's going to be, like, lower-level, you know, paperwork-y type
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people, and then all the way up to, like, super-specialized, like, finance people that can think in 4D
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math who put together budgets. But no, the average now is over $125,000. But on your point of transparency
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and accountability, like, you're bang on. Like, it is unbelievable that they are contracting out work
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after they have increased the size of the bureaucracy by 99,000 people. Franco just put out a news release
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today. And I made a little joke about it, but I'm Gen X, so he didn't get it. I said, oh, it's 99 red
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Luftballons, right? It's 99,000 more bureaucrats added since 2015, since former Prime Minister Justin
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Trudeau won that election. That's like 100,000 people. You're basically taking the population of
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red deer Alberta and plunking them in to the bureaucrat desks. But on top of that, Candace,
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exactly what you're saying, they're contracting out apart from that. So people who you can't
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FOIP, okay? You can't get the documents that you would otherwise want to get. So say there's some
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big, fancy, stupid spending project that they're doing. Say it's something like the Arrive Can app,
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okay? When they contract that out to a private company or a consultant firm or whatever, and they
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don't do it in-house, it is much harder to get information for taxpayers because they can try
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to squish around the rules and say, oh, well, you know, it's a client or privileged information because
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we can't give away competitive edge. As if there's like competitive edge for government lobbyists and
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government consultants that ring around the center of power in a capital city like Ottawa. Same thing
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happens in D.C. So this is to your point exactly. This is unaccountable. It's lacking in transparency,
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and it's a huge waste of money. If we're hiring hand over fist extra bureaucrats for the past 10
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years, get them to do the job. Why are you contracting out? Unfortunately, we know the reason why.
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Quite often, because power corrupts, they'll hand out these contracts to their friends and associates,
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and it's all on the taxpayer dime. Well, it really doesn't make sense. Like, I'm trying to even think
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of like an example of like, what is it that they use these consultants for? Like, do you have any
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ideas? Like, you have a bureaucracy. They're trained. They're specialized. They do the job in and out,
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day in and day out. Like, in what scenario do you need to bring in, you know, a fancy consulting firm to
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come in? It just doesn't make sense to have that. And like I said, it was 19 billion, billion with a B
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under Justin Trudeau. And now it's 26 billion. Is this just like, you know, helping out their
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liberal friends, like the liberal campaign? I mean, do you have any idea of like, what kind of
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consulting they're doing? Great question. So I'll just give you an example from, you know, my own
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field and your own field. They can hire out, for example, comms consultants and media consultants,
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right? So they'll get somebody in there to do, quote unquote, media training or crisis
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communication training. And they could contract something like that out of just using an example.
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And so if they could say, teach the prime minister or teach the finance minister how to conduct a
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better interview. Okay, guys, people who are a director of communications, you're already supposed
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to be an expert in communications. That's literally why you have your job. You also have subordinates or
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folks who work with you who are colleagues, like press secretaries and stuff, who are typically more
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junior, okay, who are coming up through the ranks, but are still good, solid communicators.
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They've worked in media, they've worked on, you know, advocacy organizations, things like that.
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They've worked both sides of the fence, so to speak. They should be good enough to train up this
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stuff. Apart from really rare instances, say, God forbid, there was a disaster or something really
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bad had happened and it was on the government and they really needed to figure out what had happened.
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Then you can understand why they'd call in, say, an investigator, right? Or a crisis communications
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expert. Those are super rare instances. Why are we spending more than a billion dollars on consultants?
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Again, this is what happens. It happens red team, blue team. This is an issue of power, okay? And lack
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of accountability and transparency. This is what happens when you have this big pot of taxpayers' money
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next to no oversight and you start handing out contracts and you start getting favors. This is
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a bad thing for taxpayers. It's unbelievable. I mean, I know that there's not a lot of people who
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are cheering for Donald Trump north of the border anymore, but one of the things he did at least
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was bring in an outsider, Elon Musk, to like forensically look at government and look at the
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low-hanging fruit and try to cut it. This seems like the lowest hanging fruit possible, $26 billion
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on consulting. Well, I want to move on over to Pierre Polyev. So yesterday, Polyev released a
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video saying that Mark Carney's spending is even worse than Trudeau's, despite the Liberals convincing
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Canadians that they were no longer the party of reckless spenders. Let's play that clip.
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Liberals are masters of symbolism. See, in the recent election, to convince people that they were no
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longer the party of reckless spenders. They abruptly replaced a leader who looked like a reckless
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teenage trust fund baby with a stern-looking banker. And to be fair, Mr. Carney's spending is not as bad
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as Trudeau's. It's worse. And Mark Carney was elected to bring those costs down. And in the first year
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after taking office, the year when you would expect him to take action against those out-of-control costs,
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he actually increased them by 8%. In fact, the spending will grow almost three times faster
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than the combined rate of inflation and population growth. It is a half-trillion-dollar spending bill
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with no budget. Unbelievable. Polyev hits the nail right on the head there. And then earlier today,
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Polyev spoke to reporters. He told them, I think this is the obvious, but this is the right thing,
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that the Conservatives will not vote for this Liberal government spending plan. Let's play that clip.
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It's clear that Mark Carney is even more expensive than Justin Trudeau. This half-trillion-dollar
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spending bill will drive up inflation, interest rates, above and beyond what they would otherwise
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be. And that is why I'm announcing today that Conservatives will vote against this half-trillion
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dollars of inflationary, irresponsible, out-of-control Liberal spending.
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Well, he's absolutely right. Like we were saying at the top of the show, this is irresponsible.
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I have to stress this. 50% of Canadians, half of our population, is within $200 of insolvency
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every month. Meaning they're within $200 of not being able to make the minimum payments on their
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bills. That's not paying off your credit card. That's not paying off your line of credit. That
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is making the minimum payment on your bills so that the repo man doesn't show up in your driveway.
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Half of Canadians are in that boat right now. And a huge reason why are twofold. The crazy
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carbon taxes that they nailed us with for 10 years and then conveniently got rid of just before the
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election. Still happy to see those ones kind of gone right now. But two, to Pierre Polyev's point,
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inflation. The inflation crisis was caused by this government's money printing and how crazy they
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went during the lockdowns. If you do those two things at the same time, you lock up businesses,
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you say you can't have production anymore, you halt the means of production, and you print a whole bunch
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of money, that is an inflationary storm. That is why when we're looking around and we're looking at the
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prices of stuff now, we're going, holy smokes, right? So he's bang on there. I will also point out
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that he's correct in taking this government to task for its overspending because that is not what
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they campaigned on. The language they were talking about was being more fiscally prudent. That the
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era of that guy in the sneakers who's showing up, the running shoes in the Senate chamber like he did
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during the King's speech, that's over. We're down to the adults being back in the room now. You can put
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over that persona because Prime Minister Mark Carney certainly wasn't wearing running shoes to listen to
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the King. But then you can also, with the numbers, make that match your persona. Why don't they rein in
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spending? Why don't they have their finances match the image that they're trying to put forward here
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with Carney? And again, I'm pleading with him because he's not a constant seasoned politician, so maybe he's
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not as cynical. Maybe we can appeal, okay, to his own better judgment because he was the Bank of Canada
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governor under Harper. He was there with the late Jim Flaherty. So he does have that teeth cutting. He
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does have those bones in there somewhere. So let's hope that he kind of sobers up and realizes, hey,
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wait a minute, I'm the smart one in the room. All you goofballs here in the cabinet minister, you've
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been screwing it up for the past 10 years. I'm going to go my own way and make more fiscally
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responsible decisions. I will also point out that Pierre Polyev has my books. That's nice to see.
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That's the Alberta, basically the history of Alberta set book that was put forward by the
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Biefeld family and the Western Standard Alberta report kids.
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Wow. Well, I'm glad to hear that he's reading your book. And yeah, hopefully they can have a
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positive influence on Carney because, I mean, during the election campaign, he did run basically as a
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conservative. Like he took a whole bunch of platform pieces from the conservative tidbits. So I'm actually
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genuinely surprised to see this sort of reckless Trudeau-esque budget. And hopefully your advocacy
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over there at CTF can knock some sense into them. Okay, we're going to go from bad to worse when it
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comes to members of parliament and political parties. Over to the Green Party, Elizabeth May really
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outdoing herself with this one. She calls for the recognition of gay genocide. According to this
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petition that Elizabeth May has sponsored, it claims that Canada is committing 2SLGBTQIA plus
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genocide. Okay. The petition accusing Carney, sorry, accusing Canada of carrying out a genocide
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against the countries. I'm just going to say gay because I don't want to read out that acronym
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again, but you know what I mean. The country's gay community has received support of the Green Party
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leader despite backing the petition. Elizabeth May said that she did not actually mention it upon her
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return. This is according to Blacklock's reporter. So I didn't understand what they were talking
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about. So I went and I looked at the actual petition itself. Here it is on our Commons website. Petition
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E6497. It says, currently the human rights of Canadian gay community are endangered by any Canadian
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organization and political party. We, the undersigned residents of Canada, call upon the government to
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declare the removal of Canadian federal rights and freedoms of the gay target group to be considered a form
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of genocide as a practice diminishes the community of people and therefore should be declared illegal by
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anyone attempting to do so and to ensure that their human rights. So if I get this right, they say that
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their rights and freedoms are being targeted and that is a form of genocide. I don't even know if they have
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examples. I don't understand what this means. But for some reason, Elizabeth May has decided to sponsor
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this petition. So I'm wondering, Chris, what do you, what do you make of it? Okay, so I've been a staffer
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on the Hill. I've been a parliamentary journalist with mainstream media too on the Hill. I will say that
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members of parliament can, can choose which petitions they wish to read aloud, no matter what the topic is.
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It comes from their constituents. Okay, so the area wherever just elected her would have then some
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people or groups of people would have hopefully gotten enough signatures. And then the member of
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parliament as their representative can choose to read it aloud or not. I will also point out that
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genocide is like big time illegal. Like that's way up there in the list of things that is already
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very, very illegal in Canada. And I'm not trying to be goofy about this. Like sometimes people don't
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know the terminology and stuff. That's right up there. It's similar. It reminds me, it reminds me
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of Bill C-63 in a way, because Bill C-63 is the one where it's often called the Online Harms Act,
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which we're expecting them to reintroduce as it had fully been in the last parliament. It's called the
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Online Harms Bill because it purports to protect children online, which any decent person wants to
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do. Okay. And the issue here is that things like, God forbid, sharing images of child abuse or doing
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something heinous like advocating terrorism online, those are already against the law.
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Right. They're right up there in the criminal code. They take super heavy penalties for imprisonment.
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If you want to increase the sentencing for stuff like that, take it to justice. Why do they have it
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in heritage? And so that's where when we have wording like this, again, people are free to write
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whatever the petition they want to write. That is part of free expression. But I just would urge people
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to get to know what the laws already are and really focus their language if they want to be effective
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when it comes to things like petitions, because the wording of that one was kind of all over the
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place. Well, yeah, I was reading it and I'm like, this doesn't really even make sense. No. I don't
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know that the people understand the meaning of the word genocide. Like genocide was a word that was
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created for the Holocaust, after the Holocaust, because it was so heinous and disgusting what had
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taken place that they needed a new word that was stronger than like any other word that they already
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had. And so the idea is that it's like when like there's like an orchestrated attempt to kill an
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entire race of people. Right. And so like it doesn't make sense in this context. There's no example of
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really what they're even talking about. I see on here that it only has 296 signatures. So it's just
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like it's just like wacky Elizabeth May out there grabbing a petition that she had no business grabbing.
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And then, of course, like our friends over the Rebel News reported it and just made her look really
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stupid and bad, as she deserved to, for promoting something like this. Like as a member of parliament,
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you use your position of power, you know, to highlight important issues. Right. And to make
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important political statements like we saw Andrew Lawton doing at the top. And then you kind of
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juxtapose that with the crazy lady pretending that because, you know, every time they throw this word
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around, it kind of like diminishes the actual thing that it is, which is a horrible thing. And it's only
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happened like a handful of times in history, well, at least in modern history. And so this idea that
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like, OK, because you don't think that your rights are being fulfilled in some way, I don't even really
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understand how that that's genocide is just totally absurd. Last word to you.
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I would strongly recommend and I mean this earnestly, if you're coming at this from a left wing perspective
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and you want to stop logging or whatever it is, honestly. Be very precise in your language. Be exacting
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in your language. Less is more. Be very clear. A is a. A thing is itself. OK. Read Politics in the
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English Language by George Orwell. Read some of the shorter books written by the late Prime Minister
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Winston Churchill. OK. Who can take really complex issues that are charged with emotionalism sometimes
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down into very simple words that people are able to understand and that governments can then also
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act upon. So just some free communications advice. Be very exact with the language you're choosing
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and with the meaning of your words. I will also point out that members of Parliament, including Ms. May,
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are now paid well over $200,000 per year. Tons of their expenses are covered, things like food. So if
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they're in the House of Commons during the week, a lot of people don't know this, they have three
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hot meals provided to them per day that are all fancy catered. OK. They're just behind the curtains
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there in the lobbies. They can write off a ton of their expenses. In the case of Ms. May, when
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eventually she no longer is elected or chooses to retire, she's going to be in line for a huge pension
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because she's been in the House of Commons for a long time now. Keep this in mind, no matter what
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your MP's doing, the next time you see them doing something that you disagree with, that they're
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making well over $200,000 plus a lot of plush benefits. Well, such a nice lifestyle. And I
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totally agree. I used to always have our interns and new staff read politics in the English language.
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One of the best parts of that is specifically about the word fascism. It says that fascism has no
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meaning. It's just something that people don't like. And there's no, like people throw it around
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without even really understanding what it means as 100 percent true. And some sage advice there
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from Chris Sims. Chris, thanks so much for joining us. Keep up the good work over there at the
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taxpayers. Thanks so much. All right, folks. Have a wonderful weekend. We'll be back again on
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Monday. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.
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