Alberta Conservatives BEAT separatists in by-election, Carney wants a “new world order”
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Candace is joined by political commentator Wyatt Claypool to discuss the results of the Alberta by-election in Olds Didsbury-Stittsbury-Three Hills, a riding that has long been a bellweather for separatists.
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Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is the Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you
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today. We're going to do a bit of a deep dive into the by-election results yesterday in Alberta.
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And to do that, I'm really pleased to be joined by one of my favorite guests here on the Candace
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Malcolm Show. I'm talking about Wyatt Claypool, who is a political commentator and founder of
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the National Telegraph. Wyatt, welcome to the podcast. Absolutely. Thanks for having me on.
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Okay, so we had both the candidates in the old Stittsbury-Three Hills race on the show on Friday.
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We interviewed Cam Davies, the head of the Republican Party of Alberta, and Tara Sawyer,
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who is the candidate for the UCP. We were kind of teeing it up as a close race. I think that Cam
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Davies, obviously he's leading a party, he's a party leader, and he's running this by-election.
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It was almost a gift to the separatists, right? The fact that they were having a by-election
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in this riding, one of the most conservative ridings in the entire country, certainly one
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of the most conservative ones in Alberta. And because it's a by-election, it sort of gives
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people the opportunity to send a message to perhaps Premier Smith and the UCP that they're
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unhappy and that they want the talk of separatism to be taken more seriously. And yet, I think that
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the results were pretty lackluster. So here are the results, folks. The UCP candidate, Tara
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Sawyer, came in with 61% of the vote, wins handily with a majority. Second place, interestingly,
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was the NDP. Bev Toews got 20%. And then in third place came Cam Davies and the Republicans
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with 17%. People were talking about him getting maybe upwards of 20, 25, even 30%, we were hearing.
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So 17% behind the NDP. To me, that's quite lackluster. What do you make of it, Wyatt?
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Well, they're already trying to basically unskew the race to tell us or people from the Republican
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Party of Alberta that the results are actually better than you think. This was actually a really
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good result because it's the first real election that the party is running. And I don't think that's
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a good explanation because they had been previously playing up the race that this is going to be
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the Republican Party of Alberta really taking it to Danielle Smith, maybe not winning, but giving
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them a run for their money. And coming in third place behind the NDP, who probably didn't invest
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pretty much anything into this by-election, is really pathetic. And the thing is that it's
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possible for separatists to win this riding. If people remember, Gordon Kessler, the leader of the
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Western Canada Concept Party provincially, won this riding in a by-election in 1981, specifically
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Olds Didsbury. You got 42% of the vote, beat social credit by 28, then after that came the
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progressives at 25. Didn't end up winning the general election after that. But if you invest
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your time into this area and you make a good pitch for why you're the right person to represent
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the area and, you know, push for independence, you can do it. I think that the entire campaign
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that the Alberta Republican Party ran felt too much like an anti-UCP campaign rather than a pro-independence
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campaign. And it's a common problem with the independence movement in Alberta. Oftentimes,
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being disgruntled with the UCP and being in favor of independence kind of muddled together,
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people who probably wouldn't have run against them end up starting new parties in order to supposedly
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push for independence. But it's really like an anti-PC or an anti-UCP kind of move.
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Yeah, I got that impression. You know, I interviewed Cam Davies and I can see the appeal in the idea
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in, you know, him himself. He's a well-spoken young man and he has, you know, good ideas or ideas that
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I'm sympathetic to. And yet when I interviewed him, I did feel like almost a little personal and petty to
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me. Like he was talking about how his concerns with Premier Smith were about like procurement and he was
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complaining about COVID-era policies. You know, it's like, hello, Danielle Smith was not the
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Premier during COVID. She was actually one of the most vocal critics of it. And so much so that
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Premier Kenney, the person who was overseeing, who was a Premier during COVID, got removed by his own
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party, right? So to me, that just seemed kind of off message. I also think that calling the party
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the Republican Party, I mean, look, I like the Republicans. I think that the Republicans are the
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better party in the United States. But I don't think that that's the mainstream view in Canada.
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I think even conservatives don't necessarily see themselves like Republicans. And so using that
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name, the color red, right, didn't help hurt everyone sees red as liberal red. So I think that
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there were just some very sort of surface level errors. And then if we go across the rest of the
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province, so there was, we said there's three by-elections last night. There was Edmonton-Ellersley,
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which is a Southern riding in Edmonton. And the NDP ran away with this one with 50%.
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The UCP got 38%. And the Republican in that riding only got 3%, right? And then Edmonton-Strathcona,
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the other one that we had our eye on, because NDP leader Nahid Nenshi was running in that riding.
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He won. I mean, we're going again, that's a small riding at the University of Alberta. So this is like
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the most socialist part of Alberta. NDP leader Nahid Nenshi wins with 82% of the vote.
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Unbelievable. Those are like Rachel Notley levels, a huge resounding victory up there.
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And interestingly, the Republican candidate in that riding only got 0.7%. So I don't know,
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maybe a few dozen people voted for the Republican. The UCP got 13% in that riding. So, you know,
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there was basically no showing for the Republican Party anywhere outside of this one riding in old.
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And I don't know, do you think that this is a good enough showing for the party to continue?
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Do you think Cam Davies will stay on as leader? And what do you think about the resounding victory
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Well, with Edmonton-Strathcona, just to start off with, that's a riding that even when the NDP used
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to only win one or three seats in an election, they would always win Edmonton-Strathcona.
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It's not surprising. I guarantee the UCP didn't put more than, you know, just buying the standard
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amount of signs that usually buy for the opponent of the NDP leader in that sign to go, you know,
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just put them up, do a good showing. And that said, I guarantee the UCP candidate didn't think
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they were going to win. And so, but yeah, it didn't, it doesn't really mean much. It's riding
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that last time the NDP didn't win, it was 1992. And in fact, that was the liberals winning it.
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Last time the PCs won, it was 1982. It's been a bit of a while.
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Uh, and so when it comes to, I guess what this, uh, it doesn't really mean much with when it comes
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to that riding, Edmonton-Ellersley, the NDP did drop 11 points. The UC gained a couple points and
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the Republicans gaining 3.4% or whatever, at least demonstrates that there's maybe more of a vote
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on the right in that area in general. I don't take too much away from it. Uh, by elections can be very
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strange results compared to actual general elections. And that again is the problem for the Republican
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party of Alberta. It's easier to post a good result in a by-election. Just again, look at Western
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Canadian concept in 82 winning the riding. Uh, it's harder to translate that to an actual general
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election. So they were in an idealized circumstance and not only did they not win, they came third
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place. And then when you go poll by poll, they didn't even win a singular poll. You would expect
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that maybe in a very deep rural area that they would be able to drive out, you know,
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150 people for their cause. It's a small poll. So maybe that's the majority. They just couldn't
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even do that. And so what I think this is going to do the Republican party of Alberta is that it's
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a good enough result. I think the result is very specifically 17.6%. They can say, Hey, it's a great
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first time showing and they can probably raise money from the usual suspects that will donate to
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something like this. But I think Cam Davies is probably going to find himself in a bit of a
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leadership struggle for the next year or so, because I think he's proven he's not the charismatic
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leader who that we're always talking about in Alberta, that a separatism is one charismatic
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leader away from happening. I don't think it's Cam Davies. I don't even personally dislike Cam Davies.
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Anyway, we have to protect our local political characters in Canada and he's definitely a political
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character. But yeah, there was just nothing about that campaign that demonstrated to me
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that there's traction. Because they keep talking about polls showing separatism is at a popularity
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rating of 45%. One, those polls tend to be one-offs. If you look at Janet Brown, who's the most accurate
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pollster in Alberta and some of the others, they're showing around 32%. And even then, some people like
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the UCP more than they like the very risky chance of trying to go for an independence party and
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potentially throwing another government to the NDP, who's definitely not even going to let you put
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forward a citizen's petition. So I think that's kind of where we sit right now. The party's probably
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going to keep being around, but especially their Edmonton Ellerslie result of 3.4%. I don't think
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it's going to scare the conservatives too much because that's 3.4%. And we saw the Republicans
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actually paying for door knockers to go around that ride, like half, more, almost a dozen people,
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half a dozen people. At least they went around one time and they could still only achieve that very
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small result in an urban area. Well, that was going to be my question. I mean, we didn't see the vote
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splitting that some were concerned about, but if you're Premier Danielle Smith this morning,
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looking at these results, right? Like I know Premier Smith herself is not a separatist. She's
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been quite clear about that. That's not the path that she wants. She wants more independence,
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more sovereignty, but not separation. But obviously there are people who are separatists within her
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own party. And I think that the fact that she changed the threshold for this initiative act
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made it more possible to have a referendum. She's obviously listening to those people.
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But I'm wondering if, you know, if you're in the Premier's office this morning, if you're the
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Premier herself, what do you think they're thinking? Are they happy? Are they relieved? Are they nervous?
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What do you think this by-election result tells them? Oh, I think they'd be very happy. I think that
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this result demonstrated that they basically can hold on to everything they have, even making some small
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gains in Edmonton. Maybe the Edmonton Ellerslie result is going to reset back to what it was in 2023.
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But the Republican Party of Alberta is at probably at best in a general election. Going to perform like
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the Wild Rose Loyalty Coalition performed in this by-election or during the last general,
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or the Solidarity Movement ended up performing. A lot of these, like a lot of candidates for a party
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like the Republican Party were probably scared away from actually joining them, knowing that this is
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not going to be an easy ticket to getting into office. If anything, like you were saying about the
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Republican branding, it could end up being toxic for you attempting to actually make the case for
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you as a local representative on a pro-independence ticket. You could probably just run as an
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independent, running on independence and do better because at least you're just running on your own
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brand. You're not having to confusingly go door to door and explain that, no, we're not the American
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Republicans in the wrong county. We are in fact a new, like Alberta-based party. I remember Cam Davies
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even mentioned that that had become a problem. A lot of people not realizing that we mean
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republic in the very strict definition of what a republic is. We're not the Republican Party of the
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United States. Right. And again, I do think, you know, having red signs, a red door, a lot of people
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are, you know, just have, obviously people who vote in a violation are more sophisticated. And
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actually we had True North's Isaac Lamer was out interviewing people and doing sort of a straw poll
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after one of the polls. I was surprised by how sophisticated the voters are. Like when he spoke
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to one person, he was very, you know, detailed about how they were strategically voting to send a
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message to Premier that they wanted to take separatists seriously, but not, they probably
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wouldn't vote that way in a general. Anyway, I do think that having the red signs, a lot of people
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in Alberta, you know, see the red signs, they see red, they don't want anything to do with the federal
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liberals. I want to change gears a little bit here with you, Wyatt, and talk about what is happening
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in the Middle East with Iran and Israel. We're going to talk about President Trump's comments this
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morning, which were wild. Talk about Mark Carney. And I want to focus in a little bit
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later in the show on the sort of useful idiots. We did an episode last week on the useful idiots
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in Toronto and Canada that are just supporting the wrong side, right? And we have a couple of
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great examples of that, including, you know, someone who I think we've talked about on the
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show before, Wyatt, Rachel Gilmore, who always just manages to have the absolute worst take on
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everything. And there's an example of that. So let's start with President Trump speaking this
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morning. This is Tuesday. And, you know, we had the ceasefire called last night, signed Iran and Israel
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agreed to not bomb each other anymore. And then here we have reports that both sides have broken
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the ceasefire. And here's President Trump. He's not happy. And he basically makes this comment that's
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going viral online, saying that both sides don't know what the F they are doing. Let's play that clip.
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I'm not happy with Israel. You know, when I say, OK, now you have 12 hours, you don't go out in the
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first hour and just drop everything you have on them. So I'm not happy with them. I'm not happy with
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Iran either. But I'm really unhappy if Israel is going out this morning because the one rocket
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that didn't land, that was shot, perhaps by mistake, that didn't land. I'm not happy about that.
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We basically have two countries that have been fighting so long and so hard that they don't
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know what the F they're doing. Do you understand that?
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Wow. So we rarely see President Trump sort of lose his cool like that. But you can tell he's
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not happy. You know, he didn't. One of the statements and the pieces that was really helpful
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to President Trump in the 2024 election, in my mind, was that he was the only president
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sort of in modern times that didn't start a war, that didn't start a war. And that was
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one of the things that this sort of new anti-war right was really supportive of him over. And so
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I don't think he wants to be seen as being involved in a conflict in the Middle East. He doesn't really
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want anything to do with regime change. And so he's quite angry that, you know, they signed the
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ceasefire, the right was cheering him on, and then all of a sudden it was broken. So we saw on True
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Social he posted this first this morning. Israel, do not drop those bombs. If you do it as a
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major violation, bring your pilots home now. And then moments later, he wrote,
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Israel is not going to attack Iran. All planes will turn around and head home while doing a
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friendly plane wave to Iran. Nobody will be hurt. The ceasefire is in effect. Thank you for your
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attention to this matter. So my understanding is that after that explosive clip that we showed,
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Trump got on the phone with Bibi Netanyahu, the leader of Israel. And basically, you know,
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what happened was that they, you know, Iran broke the ceasefire. So Israel responded,
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and then basically the ceasefire went into effect. So what do you make of all that?
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And I think he's right. And I obviously, I think that Trump is annoyed from almost a marketing
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perspective, in this case, that when we say ceasefire, we mean ceasefire, and do not use
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Iranians firing one or two rockets as an excuse to then go back in and start hitting targets again.
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Like, did they violate the ceasefire? Yes. Let's wait for a more substantial ceasefire. Because
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one rocket is something that the air defenses of Israeli Iron Dome and American air defenses can
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handle. If they make a major violation, yeah, pound the crap out of them is probably what Trump would
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say. But he just doesn't want this to be the narrative that he can't control what's going on in
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the Middle East. I don't think we're probably actually going to see a flare up from this in the
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future. And again, it's not because like, you know, I guarantee a lot of people are going to
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try and play up divisions between him and Bibi when there's no real division. I think it's probably
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Israeli military commanders just jumping the gun as soon as they see something. You know, it's a high
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tension area. And when tensions are high, people can kind of act rashly when right now the smartest
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thing to do is just let Iran make a couple dumb violations. They've been trying to throw like swing
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back at the U.S. and Israel in very weak ways since they had their effectively most of their air
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force taken out, their nuclear program taken out. You know, this is just what they're doing for the
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cameras in Iran, pretending that they didn't lose as badly as they did.
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Right. Well, we're going to do a bit of a deep dive into this topic tomorrow. So I'm going to move
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on from this. But certainly, you know, interesting to see how President Trump has handled that all.
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I want to go to Mark Carney, Prime Minister Mark Carney, because he did an interview with CNN's
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chief international anchor, Christine Aminpour. And he made this comment. Honestly, sometimes I just
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think that Mark Carney is a terrible communicator. Right. So he said that Iran's strike on the U.S.
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base was both proportionate and de-escalatory and that it was an act of diplomacy. Right. So we're
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talking about the Iranians bombing an American base where Canadians were stationed. And it seems like
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Carney is sort of like excusing it or waving it away. Let's play that clip and I'll get your
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The military action was also a diplomatic move by Iran. It was I mean, we never welcome obviously
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hostilities and reactions, but it was proportionate. It was de-escalatory. It gives an opening for
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diplomacy. I think that's the right way to put it. And the question is, does that diplomacy really get
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traction and move to ending this risk of nuclear proliferation? And does it lead as well to broader
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well, a broader ceasefire in the Middle East, including in Gaza?
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So it's sort of weird to say that when your enemies bomb you, it's an act of diplomacy and
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it's de-escalatory. I think maybe he meant the fact that there was advance warning given and that
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no one was hurt and that it was just sort of an act to show their own people that they were
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fighting back, but it wasn't designed to actually hurt anybody. I guess that's what he's talking about.
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To me, I just get Justin Trudeau vibes that he's just like not a serious person,
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doesn't really know what he's talking about. I want to also show you this clip, Wyatt.
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He was speaking at a EU-Canada summit in Brussels. And, you know, this is like
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Mark Carney, like in his heaven, right? Like he loves the European Union. He loves being around
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these WEF Eurocrat types. And here he is applauding the Europeans, talking about creating a new world
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order together. Kirp Lubinov shared this clip. And then we had CBC watcher pointing this one out.
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He says, as the most European of the non-European countries, Canada looks first to the European
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Union to build a better world. Let's play that clip.
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We really have two choices. It's a jurisdiction as a country in this circumstance. We can nostalgically
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look back and long for the old order to somehow return, or we can build a new one with purpose
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and partnership. And as the most European of the non-European countries, Canada looks first
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to the European Union. Now we're working alongside the European Union to combat climate change,
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to achieve the sustainable development goals. In these ways, the world knows the strength of our values
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Yeah. So I don't think, look, I agree that Europe is the birthplace of our civilization, right? And
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when it comes to Western civilization, we look to Europe for that. But the European Union is like
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everything wrong with modern democracy, right? It's just turned into like a huge bureaucracy that wants
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to control every aspect. They're overzealous. They have no respect for freedom of speech. They allow for
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the complete Islamification of much of their society. Like everything about the European Union, to me,
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is the exact opposite of the direction that I would like our country to go. And so again, to see Mark
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Carney on the world stage like this, pointing us in the wrong direction, this is of great concern to
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me. I just want to show Stockwell Day's response to all of this. So he's a former leader of the
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In Canadian history, no PM has so radically and swiftly shifted the sovereign priorities of Canadians to
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Europe without debate or mandate, aligning us with economic and social policies that are crushing
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the EU while declaring shared values with China. And then, of course, the CBC News is cheering this
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all on. I completely agree with that take. What do you make of all this, Wyatt?
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Well, what a stupid week to be making these sort of statements in as well. It's the biggest policy win or foreign
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policy win for the old order that's been done in probably the last 10 years, 20 years, destroying the
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Iranian nuclear program and basically pushing that terror state to the brink of collapse. We have the
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United States who has a better economy than us. They have, you know, more respect on the world stage
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naturally. And now we're going to be talking about how we need a new world order. And we need to be
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more like the EU who's been cowering during this entire situation. They've been letting the Americans
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lead on Ukraine. They've been letting the Americans lead on the Middle East because they're useless.
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They combined could maybe compete with American power, but they don't. And that's the problem is
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that Carney is very much what I would consider an aesthetic kind of moderate when it comes to
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foreign policy. The idea that the attacks by Iran on the American base are de-escalatory and, you know,
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it's demonstrating their keen eye for diplomacy. You will know someone is a dullard on foreign policy
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if they constantly talk about escalation and de-escalation. Everything can be just summed up
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by who's escalating and who's de-escalating without any eye to who's right and who's wrong here. But it's
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just the very morally relativistic world that Mark Carney lives in. I understand that the context is
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that, yes, Iran didn't go all out. And so this is kind of a bit of an off ramp. They didn't go all out
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because they can't go all out because they got stomped to death by the Americans and the Israelis.
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But I guess, you know, Ayatollah Khomeini is being very, you know, nice and he's trying to
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play nice. He just he doesn't have the toys to fire off the Americans. And that's why he
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fired like, you know, six Scud missiles at them. Right. It's just a safe face. And people who can't
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tell the difference between the West and Iran, look, my husband was born in Iran and his family
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fled that awful dictatorship. Right. It is the worst combination of radical, fanatic Islam and
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communism, socialism. And so, you know, the people who have come to Canada to flee that regime will
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tell you the stories. They will talk about how awful it was and still is today. And people who can't
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tell the difference morally between a backwards dictatorship like Iran and the people who are
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trying to keep the world safe from the predations of the mullahs and the Ayatollah. Like those people
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shouldn't be taken seriously. And we're going to talk about a few examples of those. So there was a
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couple of demonstrations in Toronto over the weekend. The first one was the good guys, Persians and their
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allies in Toronto demand for a free Iran, free from Islamist rule. This is Juneau News reporting over
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200 Canadians. Many from the Iranian diaspora community gathered in Mount Blasman Square.
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This is really interesting, right, because people who fled Iran, they're Muslims, right? They are Muslims
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living in Toronto, living in Canada. And yet when they go to their demonstrations, you'll often see
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Israeli flags, right? And so that's kind of off, right? Most of the Muslims and Islamists that are in
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Canada hate Israel, right? When you see the Palestinian marches, they're very anti-Israel,
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anti-Israel. And yet here you have Persians that are pro-Israel and they actually are applauding the
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acts of Israel. I spoke to people in the Iranian desperate community myself who don't want a cease
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fire, right? They want the Americans and the Israelis to finish the job and take out the evil mullahs and
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the Ayatollah. And so it's interesting just to see, you know, these people at this, like you saw
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conservative MP, Melissa Lansman was there, former PC MPP in Ontario, Goldie Gemari was there as well,
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you know, promoting this idea that they want to free Iran, that they want the regime to be toppled,
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they want regime change. And then countering that, Wyatt, we had these crazy people at this so-called
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hands-off Iran protest. This was organized in part by CUPE Ontario and their president, Fred Han,
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who's just sort of seems like a confused, useful idiot on these issues. But the thing that was
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really shocking to me, Mark Wickens pointing this out on X, an image of a person holding up,
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there's two of them actually, a man and a woman holding up a picture of the Iranian Supreme Leader
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Ayatollah Khomeini. This person is a maniacal, like murderer, right? This person has overseen so much
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pain and trauma and murder in Iran. And yet in Toronto, you have regime apologists holding them
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up. Again, when I show pictures like this to people I know in the Iranian diaspora community in Toronto,
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they're horrified. They're like just absolutely horrified. Why are these people in our country?
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Well, look at this woman. Look at this woman. It looks like she's wearing, it appears to me that
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she's wearing a Rolex watch. Like I'm talking about like a $10,000 watch, right? Holding up a picture
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of a deranged dictator that has punished his own people, right? And, you know, wearing a New York
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Yankees hat, like kind of like this modern Western woman who's supporting this totally backwards
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dictatorship. It's so bizarre. And to me, again, it points to our immigration system. Like why do we
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have pro-regime Iranians here in Canada, in Toronto? It's unbelievable to see these idiots in Canada.
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Like in my mind, these people should be deported. Send them back. If they love Iran so much,
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if they love the Ayatollah so much, send them back to Iran. What do you think, Wyatt?
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And that Western woman probably also compares Trump to Adolf Hitler a lot as well, which is very ironic.
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And that's, and the thing is that I think this should be hopefully a wake-up call to Canadians,
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that there are real extremists that are living in this country, that we just let them do whatever.
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This is, it's not, it's not really free speech to show up from a dictatorship as a, effectively a war criminal in many cases.
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Hide in Canada. Be here on a false pretense and then go around trying to intimidate members of the Persian diaspora
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who speak out against the Iranian regime, because that's what these people do.
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I think we are in a turning point right now where these people are starting to lose the argument
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that they do not represent the mainstream Canadian view on foreign policy.
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This actually also happened yesterday when it came to the Air India bombing memorials.
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You had Conservative MPs not just memorializing the, like, the tragic result of that terrorist attack,
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but they're also naming and shaming the Kalistani movement and not putting up with these freaks
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who go around literally showing up to the memorials to find out who really conducted the Air India bombing.
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So yeah, this is, it just demonstrates that the, where moral relativism takes you.
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It always ends up siding with the most evil people in the room at the end of the day.
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Okay, we've saved our favorite useful idiot for the very end,
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but we're going to cut off the social media feeds here on YouTube and X.
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