The Candice Malcolm Show - Alberta sends a clear message to the rest of the country

00:00:00.160 Alberta has sent a clear message to the rest of the country saying that our Confederation is simply not working for them.

00:00:06.940 Now, will the Prime Minister and will the rest of the country listen?

00:00:09.940 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:16.660 So today I want to talk about the results of the recent municipal election and those referensums that happened out in Alberta.

00:00:23.520 As you know, we at True North covered the topic in depth.

00:00:26.180 We even hosted a live show on the night of the election out in Alberta.

00:00:30.400 We were joined by some great guests, our friends.

00:00:33.020 In Alberta, we had former leader of the opposition, Danielle Smith.

00:00:36.960 We had rebel bureau chief, Sheila Gunn-Reed.

00:00:39.200 We had the head of the Yes campaign on that equalization question, Dr. Bill Buick.

00:00:43.560 And we had a brilliant political advisor, Vitor Marciano.

00:00:47.160 Well, the results of those referendums have finally been released, the official results.

00:00:51.040 We sort of had a picture of what was happening, but the official results were finally released this week.

00:00:55.600 And we're going to bring back one of those guests to do a bit of a deep dive to dissect the results and analyze what it means for the country and what will happen next.

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00:01:38.180 So joining us today on the program is our friend Vitor Marciano.

00:01:42.300 Vitor is an advisor to many small C conservative political parties and candidates over in his home in Edmonton, as well as across the province of Alberta, across Canada.

00:01:51.580 So, Vitor, thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:54.780 It's my pleasure to be here.

00:01:55.960 Thank you for having me on.

00:01:57.420 Well, you joined us on that live election show that we did and you really helped us make sense of what's going on, particularly understanding how it is that Albertans vote for these sort of left-wing socialist candidates municipally, whereas they're sort of reliably staunch conservative voters, at least federally, usually provincially as well, although you did elect an NDP government a couple of years ago.

00:02:18.580 So, before we get into the results of the equalization, what did you make of that final result, the fact that you elected two sort of left-wing mayors in Calgary and Edmonton?

00:02:29.360 And one of the first things, I think the first thing that Jody Gondek in Calgary did was declare a climate emergency and sort of capitulate to the Trudeau liberal message when it comes to climate alarmism.

00:02:38.780 Well, I think the overall number for the equalization referendum and the election of the two mayors are linked.

00:02:50.480 I think there was a little bit of the Jason Kenney effect in this, and both the top left-wing mayoralty candidates benefited from the fact that right now our premier is decidedly unpopular, and it's bringing down the numbers for conservatives across the whole.

00:03:09.800 It wasn't uncommon for people from all over the province the next day to be texting each other saying, is the conservative movement dead in Alberta?

00:03:16.660 And the answer is no, it's not. But it's hurting right now, and that hurting translated both into a slower result than would have been ideal on the equalization referendum,

00:03:27.660 and into Jody Gondek winning in Calgary and Amarjit Zohi winning in Edmonton.

00:03:34.700 There's more to the municipal elections than just Kenney, but the fact that Kenney isn't popular right now doesn't help.

00:03:41.160 Interesting. You say that the votes in equalization were as strong as it could be. I mean, 62% is a huge majority. That's a decisive vote.

00:03:50.920 Any politician walking away with 62% of the vote is pretty happy, Vitor. So interesting to hear you say that it wasn't quite what it could be.

00:03:58.460 In all honesty, I've seen polling from 2018 and 2019 that had more than 60% of new Democratic voters then supporting doing something about equalization.

00:04:09.500 I think there were an awful lot of people who went into the ballot box and said, I can vote no here and send Jason Kenney a message.

00:04:17.640 Whereas a whole bunch of, you know, 62% of Albertans went into the box and said, I'm voting yes to send Justin Trudeau a message.

00:04:25.360 There's sort of a fundamental understanding in Alberta that equalization as it's currently done is unfair.

00:04:33.220 And it's unfair to Alberta. It's just not a fair system. And so there's this sense of that that's pervasive.

00:04:41.580 Unfortunately, this question, this vote at this time became about more than just that.

00:04:47.920 But still, 62%. It's almost two to one. That's a real number. That's a real vote. It makes a difference.

00:04:57.480 Well, on a similar topic there, one of the things that we discussed on election night and that was just really obvious throughout the entire lead up to the referendum was how little there was really coverage of it mentioned.

00:05:09.800 But we didn't really see federal conservative MPs going out stumping for the question.

00:05:14.060 We barely heard anything in the weeks leading up to it from Kenny.

00:05:16.940 So it's interesting the media is now framing it as like this is Jason Kenney's pet project.

00:05:22.340 When really leading up to it, it was almost like he was distancing himself from it.

00:05:25.940 My personal opinion has been that Jason Kenney's never been highly enthusiastic about this project.

00:05:32.160 It was a campaign promise that he made because it was popular, but this is not an instinctive space for him.

00:05:38.440 He is not one of these politicians that is looking forward to constitutional negotiations.

00:05:44.160 He comes from the school that says, learn from Meech, learn from Charlottetown, never have constitutional negotiations again.

00:05:50.460 There's an awful lot of Albertans who are like, yeah, learn from Meech, learn from Charlottetown, have constitutional negotiations when necessary.

00:05:59.720 Just the mere fact that we can have those conversations is good for readjusting the mind frame of the rest of the country.

00:06:07.800 And there's there's there's some reason to be hopeful about that.

00:06:11.260 And well, and you really you did sort of see the sort of lack of excitement from Kenny.

00:06:19.240 But but the idea that I think a lot of Albertans recognize is that Alberta should be learning from Quebec.

00:06:25.640 You know, Quebec really knows how to put its interests first to communicate for them.

00:06:30.440 These these these these previous referendums were kind of a pathway to getting more political power within the Canadian system.

00:06:36.020 Seemed to me that Kenny chose the referendum route because the alternative was like a lot of people talking about separation or independence.

00:06:43.280 And this was kind of like a way out within the Canadian Confederation.

00:06:48.140 So what do you think the results say about the future of Alberta within within Canada?

00:06:52.880 I think when you combine the results coming out on the same day as a Trudeau cabinet that is decidedly anti Alberta, I mean, that that Trudeau cabinet that the picking the old environment minister, putting him in charge of natural resources, taking the most radical, least practical, least normal person in his entire caucus and making him the environment minister.

00:07:22.880 So that is a shot. That is a shot. It's not a shot across the bow.

00:07:26.700 That's a shot in the foot to to Alberta with a threat that the gun is going to start moving up. 0.95

00:07:33.860 It's it's it's a scary thing.

00:07:38.120 I think alienation and a sense of needing to do something is going to increase dramatically over the next weeks and months.

00:07:47.660 You know, there's going to be an awful lot of pressure on Kenny to fight Ottawa, something that really he hasn't been doing.

00:07:56.260 He was kind of hired to fight Ottawa.

00:07:58.200 You know, I was deeply involved in that original UCP leadership race, and there was an awful lot of feeling of, you know, Jason Kenny is a fighter and we need a fighter to go fight Justin Trudeau.

00:08:09.800 And, you know, he's not the nicest guy in the race, but we don't need a nice guy.

00:08:13.580 We need a tough guy.

00:08:14.400 And then Premier Kenny was pretty mild.

00:08:18.320 And so I think, you know, that was the beginning of some of the problems that he's had.

00:08:21.680 And he's got a chance now to act on them, to change things around.

00:08:25.920 But I'm not sure that that will necessarily happen.

00:08:29.420 Yeah. I remember people talking about how, you know, even just the fact that he spoke French so fluently could be used as a way to improve Alberta's voice within the country, to have our voice heard, have your voice heard in Quebec.

00:08:41.200 And you're right, you don't really see a lot of that.

00:08:43.900 It's horrible, actually, because let me give you a couple of examples just in the last month of brutal things that have happened in Quebec that impact Alberta that Jason Kenny's French never talked about.

00:08:56.760 One, the Premier of Quebec has ruled that Quebec will stop the exploration of oil and gas inside Quebec.

00:09:05.020 People don't know this, but Quebec has gas fields that are bigger than the gas fields of the North Sea.

00:09:11.200 If Quebec wanted to explore its natural gas, if Quebec wanted a frack like upstate New York and Pennsylvania do, Quebec would be a global exporter of liquid natural gas, and a significant one.

00:09:24.860 But Quebec has chosen not to, one, because they don't want the extra money because they would lose equalization.

00:09:29.320 But when the Premier of one of our provinces announced that the exploration of oil and gas was shut down in this province and, in effect, is confiscating the resources of some companies, including Alberta companies, the very, very fluent in French Premier of Alberta said absolutely nothing.

00:09:46.740 Then just last week, after Elections Canada announced that using the set formula that's in the Constitution for the allocation of seats, that Alberta will get three new seats once seats are reallocated and Quebec will lose one, the Premier of Quebec came out and said, not a chance.

00:10:05.580 Quebec will never lose a seat. Quebec should get more seats. Percentages and proportional representation and any sort of fair representation don't matter.

00:10:15.260 And the Premier of Alberta again was silent. Like, these are issues where he needs to be speaking up. He's just not speaking up. And it's part of the reason why he's got political problems right now.

00:10:28.060 Certainly. What did you make of Justin Trudeau's response? He basically just said this is a partisan political thing and that he doesn't seem like he's really going to weigh it very, very deeply. What do you think about Trudeau?

00:10:38.340 I think Trudeau is going to try for as long as he can not to have constitutional discussions. And in the process, he's going to feed alienation into Alberta. But in some ways, Trudeau is going to be saved from his bad strategic decision to avoid these discussions by the fact that COVID is going to make all of the small provinces want constitutional discussions in the next 18 to 24 months.

00:11:06.000 This is the part that there's a weird confluence of timing happening here. Alberta wants to have constitutional discussions about equalization, but what's happening in all of the small provinces is that healthcare, which was 40, 45, 48% of their budgets, post-COVID, when they have to make changes to how their healthcare system works and to how their seniors care system works, healthcare is going to be 60% of their budgets.

00:11:29.580 And they can't afford it. And they can't afford it. They can't find people to buy their bonds. I mean, Newfoundland is functionally bankrupt. Their bonds are being picked up by the government of Canada. The truth is most of the provinces, up to 40% of their bonds are being picked up by the government of Canada.

00:11:46.360 Provinces can't print money, but they have the long-term year-over-year costs associated with dealing with COVID. And it's not dealing with COVID in the moment, it's dealing with how COVID has reprogrammed our brains in terms of thinking about seniors' care and healthcare.

00:12:02.720 So we're 18 to 24 months from all these small provinces saying, yeah, we need to meet and discuss the constitution and the allocations of money and how healthcare get done. And that opens the door for Jason Kenney to insert equalization into the discussion.

00:12:16.420 And to be fair to Jason yesterday, he did recognize that equalization is only one of Alberta's grievances. Once you open up the constitution, you start talking about things, there might be things that matter to us more than equalization to become trade-offs in the equalization healthcare discussion.

00:12:33.200 Let's talk a little bit about healthcare because I know we kind of got into this on election night and you had that great piece over in the National Post where you were talking about why it is that Alberta and Jason Kenney couldn't do what Ron DeSantis did.

00:12:46.100 You know, Ron DeSantis has become incredibly popular among the conservative base in the United States and he's got a following of admirers up in Canada as well.

00:12:56.640 So many people were saying, why can't we just do what Texas is doing? Why can't we do what Florida is doing?

00:13:00.840 You know, the media are absolutely vicious to Ron DeSantis. They call him Ron Death Santos and, you know, they accuse him of murder.

00:13:09.600 Meanwhile, you know, Florida's booming. Everybody's moving to Florida. Everybody's moving their company to Florida. The real estate in Florida is going crazy.

00:13:17.240 And the reason that everyone wants to be there is because it's like normal America again. Like they've gone completely back.

00:13:22.240 And you made the argument that, you know, even if Jason Kenney wanted to take that approach, the results would be drastically different.

00:13:28.740 So why don't you explain that to us here?

00:13:31.440 We can't handle the percentage numbers of COVID. COVID is real.

00:13:38.560 But if you have enough capacity to absorb the punch, you have different policy options that you can choose.

00:13:44.440 So in the United States, especially in the bigger states, but frankly, in any state relative to Canada, they have more hospital capacity to handle the small percentage of people who will get very sick when they get COVID.

00:13:59.600 That small percentage of people wipes out our systems.

00:14:03.980 So in Alberta, when we got to the level of 18 people per hundred thousand were hospitalizable with COVID.

00:14:11.380 That's 18 per hundred thousand.

00:14:13.580 So if you think about it, if you're living somewhere in a medium sized city in Canada and it's a hundred thousand person city, if 18 people are sick at once with a disease, that overruns your hospital system.

00:14:24.960 It's not actually built to handle that capacity, whereas the Americans, some of these big states can handle 45 per hundred thousand, no problem.

00:14:34.280 And so the net effect of that is that you can absorb the punch of people getting sick while you go to an open the economy strategy.

00:14:42.980 Recognize that 95, 96% of the people who get COVID will get a very mild version of it.

00:14:50.980 3% will get a version of it that is bad enough that they want to visit the hospital, but the hospital will send them home because they're still okay and, you know, monitor and be careful.

00:15:01.160 And then you get that small 3%, 2% that actually end up having to be hospitalized for a little bit.

00:15:08.180 The vast majority of those will recover and be okay.

00:15:10.880 But it's, it's all about the numbers and your ability to absorb the punch that is COVID.

00:15:16.320 In Canada, we don't have the hospital space.

00:15:18.480 We've, we've got publicly funded hospitals and we have just enough hospitals and we have just enough hospitals run by middling ability bureaucrats who built centralized systems that are inflexible and, and can't adjust to the need to absorb a punch. 0.99

00:15:37.840 And so those policy options are just not available to us.

00:15:41.560 If we tried them in Canada, lots and lots of people would die.

00:15:45.900 Doctors and nurses would flee the health system because it would just become too catastrophic and the pain would be too great.

00:15:51.460 But our politicians don't want to talk about that because that's, that's admitting that something that they've bragged about for generations is actually a failure.

00:16:00.120 Right.

00:16:00.420 Like the elephant in the room here is that Canada's centralized, socialized healthcare system isn't doing very well.

00:16:05.740 And on top of that, I mean, there's two, there's two kind of questions that come next.

00:16:09.780 The first one is that we're now into our second year of COVID.

00:16:12.860 We're, we're, we're approaching the two year mark, you know, in a couple months here.

00:16:17.660 Why haven't they done anything to increase the capacity?

00:16:20.820 And then on the other side, Vitor, you have a situation where the hospitals and, and, and, and provinces are implementing vaccine mandates so that if you were a nurse or a doctor who objects to getting COVID vaccine for your own personal reasons or health reasons or, or whatever, you risk getting fired.

00:16:38.040 In British Columbia, the nurses union said that that was about 20% of the workforce.

00:16:42.380 So you have a situation where nothing's changed in two years, despite knowing that we need more ICU capacity and because of politics and ideology, they're going to artificially reduce their capacity even further by potentially firing people who refuse to, to get in line with this ideology that everyone must be vaccinated.

00:17:03.600 There's a variety of things that have caused this.

00:17:06.040 One is that in, with the exception of Quebec, um, everybody had a very mild first wave.

00:17:13.760 And at that point, early in the first wave, everybody is planning for special case medicine.

00:17:20.720 We're going to build field hospitals.

00:17:22.560 We're going to do things differently because this is a pandemic and it could be very deadly and we just can't let a pandemic destroy our hospital system.

00:17:30.380 So we're going to plan on doing things differently.

00:17:32.560 And then that first wave wasn't that bad.

00:17:34.580 And then the, the horrible bureaucrats and the cheapskate politicians, because the two go together, um, said, well, that wasn't too bad.

00:17:46.100 We can handle this with our normal system.

00:17:47.820 We can handle this with normal health care.

00:17:49.800 And so they planned for the second wave with normal health care.

00:17:53.040 And the second wave was bad in a lot of places, but the, the healthcare system could handle it.

00:17:58.300 Uh, the third wave was bad in a lot of places and the healthcare systems started to get creaky.

00:18:02.580 Alberta is the only one that's had a fourth wave yet.

00:18:05.940 It's coming.

00:18:06.920 Don't be smug.

00:18:07.920 If you're in another province, uh, the virus is going to virus and it's coming for you.

00:18:12.980 You might think you've done stuff, right.

00:18:14.600 You haven't, uh, the vaccines won't protect you.

00:18:17.580 They're not enough coverage.

00:18:19.400 Um, when you get that big fourth wave, it just smashes through it.

00:18:24.400 And then because those bureaucrats have never, they, they literally stopped thinking about the

00:18:29.840 special type of emergency triage medicine outside the bounds of normal medicine in May of 2020.

00:18:37.200 And they're, they kind of refuse to go back to it every now and then they pay lip service to it.

00:18:41.100 Alberta, we, you know, we kept talking about that.

00:18:43.100 We would reopen our specialized COVID hospitals that we built at very great expense, but no human

00:18:48.440 being actually ever lay in a bed in there, um, you know, the sort of bureaucrat that ends

00:18:55.880 up running a centralized system, uh, isn't highly imaginative.

00:19:01.800 Imaginativeness is not the, um, the skillset we hire for in that category.

00:19:07.060 And then we get what we hire for.

00:19:08.300 So that's, uh, no, that seems to be the problem in a lot of different sectors.

00:19:12.680 All right, I want to ask you one final question here.

00:19:15.380 And, uh, you know, we, we talked a little bit about how, uh, Kenny didn't really campaign

00:19:19.800 enough for this, but I want to, I want to shift and talk a little bit about the media and the

00:19:23.380 way that they frame this question.

00:19:24.860 Cause one of the, one of the things that I've seen in the last couple of days since we're

00:19:28.000 last, I guess, day since the result came out is the media sort of trying to discredit,

00:19:32.380 um, this equalization result.

00:19:33.960 Like, uh, Jason Kenney said that 62% of Albertans voted for this and then a CBC reporter, or I

00:19:39.740 think it was CTV reporter corrected him saying, no, it wasn't 62% of Albertans.

00:19:44.120 It was 62% of voters.

00:19:45.560 Um, and then you had, uh, some lawyer out at McGill saying that voter turnout was so low.

00:19:50.220 So we shouldn't interpret this as being 62%.

00:19:52.480 We should interpret it at more like 25%, um, which, you know, any, any, any election in

00:19:57.160 Canada could be seen through that lens, but you don't hear a bunch of professors and

00:20:00.240 lawyers jumping out, um, making these points.

00:20:02.460 I actually want to jump right in on that point.

00:20:06.180 Justin Trudeau got 31% of what I think was a 58% turnout.

00:20:12.080 So it's, he got about 18 and a half percent of the eligible voters in Canada voted for

00:20:17.580 him.

00:20:18.020 And he's prime minister with all of the totalitarian powers that come with it.

00:20:22.200 Right.

00:20:22.520 I don't hear, I don't hear all these professors jumping up and down saying he's only got 12

00:20:26.020 or 18% of the vote here.

00:20:27.400 Uh, this, the equalization referendum was weird in the sense that the only people campaigning

00:20:32.320 for no were the professors and the media who always love going to the professors.

00:20:36.780 Cause it's, you know, so much easier than actually doing their jobs.

00:20:40.140 We're happy to put the professors on.

00:20:42.300 Um, they were cheerleading against this, frankly, because Jason Kenney has a huge media problem.

00:20:47.240 Uh, they, they really dislike him.

00:20:49.340 They dislike him more than Albertans in general.

00:20:50.960 Uh, he's handled the media very badly.

00:20:54.360 Um, having, recognizing that the media aren't your friends is important.

00:21:03.200 Running away from the media or running at the media all the time is not a particularly

00:21:08.260 successful strategist, the strategy for conservative politics.

00:21:10.940 It's funny because Jason Kenney, successful federal cabinet minister was famous for the

00:21:17.700 fact that he made time for the media, that he wasn't the negative, um, you know, run away

00:21:23.480 from the media person that some elements of the Harper government were, uh, Jason Kenney

00:21:28.980 premier is, got the worst media management strategy since Alison Redford.

00:21:34.980 Well, I, I, I, you know, uh, we at true north have come up against that odd media strategy.

00:21:39.760 So I, I won't, I won't try to refute that idea.

00:21:42.400 But I, I, I generally speaking, Vitor, think that the media in this country, particularly

00:21:47.760 the media in Alberta, but, but even federally, uh, are never going to be fair to conservatives.

00:21:51.520 And so instead of spending so much time trying to win them over and, and, and appeal to them

00:21:56.200 and try to, you know, appease the Globe and Mail CBC crowd, uh, conservatives would be

00:22:00.580 better, uh, would have better use of their time if they just opposed media, went through

00:22:05.200 their own platforms and distributions.

00:22:06.960 Again, the way that we see someone like Ron DeSantos, uh, doing in the U S like I said,

00:22:10.960 they call him Ron DeSantos and he smacks them down when he, when they come to him with false

00:22:14.880 information or they write a false story about him, he's unafraid to push back and explain

00:22:19.760 to them why they're wrong.

00:22:20.740 And I think that's why the conservative base love a politician like DeSantos so much.

00:22:25.780 And for some reason, Kenny, um, you know, he does that a little bit too, but, uh, because

00:22:31.600 of it, he just gets his awful, awful coverage.

00:22:35.060 We could do a deep dive into the technical nature of how you manage the media and how

00:22:39.020 you present messages.

00:22:40.320 There's an Jason Kenny stuck in a rut.

00:22:45.100 Uh, his, his way of talking to Albertans hasn't changed.

00:22:50.020 He needs a new result, but he's trying to do the same stuff he was doing before and get

00:22:55.360 a new result that's, that's, that's not good.

00:22:57.700 Uh, he should be the happy warrior who happily slaps down the media when they get it wrong.

00:23:03.980 He's not in that happy warrior frame.

00:23:07.020 Um, uh, our media in Alberta is particularly bad, uh, largely because it's almost non-existent.

00:23:13.900 The, the, the number of media people in Alberta now is, um, there might only be

00:23:21.080 including all of the small town papers, all of the small town radio, uh, all of the small

00:23:27.960 town television across the small cities, there might be fewer than 80 people working in news

00:23:34.580 in the entire province.

00:23:36.860 Wow.

00:23:37.860 And because of that, uh, and, and the ones that there are, are generally, you know, really

00:23:46.060 young kids fresh out of J school.

00:23:48.160 They're, they're the wokest of the woke, the leftist of the left.

00:23:52.600 They know nothing.

00:23:55.900 And they are, you're, you're not going to get a fair shake from them, but there is some

00:23:59.180 value sometimes in trying to educate them.

00:24:01.800 Yeah, no, I, I see.

00:24:02.880 I, I, I can attest to that Vitor, cause I was out at the UCP convention in Calgary a couple

00:24:07.280 of years ago and the media room was like a closet and there was only like three people in

00:24:12.180 there for the entire province, uh, this UCP conference.

00:24:14.860 And they all, they were all very chummy with each other and that you couldn't tell which

00:24:18.880 person worked for one organization from another.

00:24:20.940 They all had the exact same views.

00:24:22.520 So yeah, they're not particularly competitive nowadays and it's, it's a problem.

00:24:26.720 And it had, it had a significant impact on the, on the, uh, municipal elections in the

00:24:31.500 sense that in Edmonton, especially, but across small town Alberta, these elections got less

00:24:36.980 media coverage than any elections I've ever seen before.

00:24:39.360 And when you take municipal elections, which are nonpartisan in Alberta, as therefore the

00:24:45.780 voters don't have that, that cheat sheet of, oh, this person's attached to that party.

00:24:50.400 So they're largely going to have these types of principles.

00:24:53.080 Um, and then the media don't cover the race.

00:24:55.340 It becomes solely a name recognition game and, you know, new candidates can't introduce new

00:25:04.220 ideas.

00:25:04.660 They can't build personas and that's largely what we had.

00:25:08.860 We either had pure name recognition or frankly, both Edmonton and Calgary, the unions with their

00:25:15.540 massive internal union lists of unionized workers, sending out the emails to their list saying,

00:25:22.820 you know, these are the people we would like you to vote for.

00:25:26.660 And, you know, that you don't get a hundred percent unanimity amongst union workers, but when

00:25:31.940 you don't know anything about any of the candidates because the media haven't covered them and your

00:25:35.200 union says, these are 12 good people, the likelihood of those 12 good people getting

00:25:39.300 elected is quite high.

00:25:40.960 Wow.

00:25:41.200 Yeah.

00:25:41.440 It's almost like, you know, the federal government giving billions and billions of dollars a

00:25:45.420 year to the media hasn't actually fixed the problem of the lack of local reporting.

00:25:49.520 It's funny how that, how that happens.

00:25:51.100 The government subsidies don't work as, as, as intended, Vitor.

00:25:55.000 It seems to actually have accentuated the lack of political reporting.

00:25:58.720 All right, Vitor, thank you so much for joining us.

00:26:01.060 Thank you for helping us make sense of everything out in Alberta.

00:26:03.200 It's great to have you on the show.

00:26:04.620 My pleasure being here.

00:26:06.100 All right.

00:26:06.440 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:26:07.420 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm Show.

The Candice Malcolm Show - October 27, 2021

Alberta sends a clear message to the rest of the country

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