Ben Mulroney： “I’ve never seen this level of crime in Canada”
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Ben Mulroney, host of the nationally syndicated Canadian Talk Radio show joins the show to talk about government spending, crime, and the need for accountability in Canada's criminal justice system. He also talks about what he would do if elected Prime Minister, if he were in office, and why he thinks the government should be smaller.
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Welcome to the Candace Malcolm Show. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the
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Canadian Taxpayers Federation, filling in for Candace this week. Thank you for making us a
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part of your day. If you haven't done so yet, make sure you like and subscribe this video
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and share it with your friends who need a healthy dose of red pills. Okay, lots on the show for you
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today and I'm pretty excited about today's guest. We're going to be speaking with national talk
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show host Ben Mulroney. Now, you might be thinking to yourself, isn't he that guy from eTalk that does
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all the red carpet interviews? Yes, he was. And if you were into the celebrity scene, it was a pretty
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cool gig. But he actually has the big talk radio station now. He has his own show. It's broadcast
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all the way out in Vancouver, all the way back into downtown Toronto. And I was seeing some folks
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online, they're calling him Based Ben now. Why? Because he's speaking out quite forcefully.
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on things like government spending and crime. So I often see talk radio as the bridge between what
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we're doing here at Juneau News, what we do at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, what other
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independent media organizations are doing. Talk radio has always been that kind of bridge between
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indie media and what the normies are doing over on mainstream media, the MSM. So I've always thought
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it was important to at least listen to a few of the folks who are in talk radio. Ben Mulroney is one
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of those talk show hosts. So we're super happy to be presenting him today. So why are we talking to
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him? Because of course, the House of Commons is going to be back up and running next week. So right now,
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I can just picture it in downtown Ottawa, staffers are buzzing, they're cleaning up their offices
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because the boss is coming back. They're getting their briefing papers ready. They're getting raring
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to go for a fall session of Parliament. They're getting ready for the House of Commons, question
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period, committees, all of the fun stuff because the circus is going to come back into town. And it
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was interesting, we got a little bit of a sneak peek. We've seen Conservative leader Pierre Polyev now
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that he secured his seat in Battle River Crowfoot. We've seen him on camera much more often the past few
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days. And he was in Brampton, Ontario, just a few minutes ago, making his announcement about what
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his government would do, if he were a Prime Minister, when it comes to things like purchasing houses and
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Axe the federal sales tax for all homebuyers, not just first-time homebuyers and for homes up to $1.3
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million. Two, axe the capital gains tax on any monies reinvested in homebuilding. So if a business
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or an individual sells an asset, they enjoy a capital gain, but they reinvested in homebuilding,
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there should be no capital gains tax. This will cause a building boom right across the country.
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So once again, that was Conservative Party leader and leader of the opposition Pierre Polyev, who is in
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Brampton, Ontario, making what I would call a re-announcement from his earlier election platform,
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reiterating that his party would reduce taxes on the purchasing and the sales of homes. Now,
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interestingly, I have noticed a bit of a tone change coming from Polyev when it comes to the size
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of government. So what role will the size of the bureaucracy play once the House of Commons comes
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back in? Because of course now, his riding is no longer right next to the capital. It's out here in
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Alberta, and it's about as dark blue as you can get. So will the Conservatives start going hammer and
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tong after the size and cost of government? We at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation certainly hope so,
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because we'll put it this way. If the bureaucracy had stayed in line with the growth of the Canadian
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population, meaning if bureaucrats hadn't just ballooned under former Prime Minister Justin
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Trudeau, if it had kept pace with population growth, we'd be saving $7 billion a year. Yeah,
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it's an astonishing amount of money. Speaking of astonishing and accountability, crime. Crime is
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definitely going to be one of those big factors that not just the opposition party are going to be
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raising. I've noticed now in the mainstream media, people are talking about it an awful lot more,
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because we've got some pretty awful headlines coming out of places like Ontario, and frankly,
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in other locations across Canada, which raises the issue of accountability. Really, who does the buck
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stop with? If we keep on hearing about repeat offenders and catch and release and a huge cost to the
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justice system, but it's the same characters that are doing these things over and over again,
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who ultimately is responsible for making those changes? Now, for anyone who wants to hear about
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what's actually happening on the ground and how people are feeling, I would strongly recommend
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tuning in to local talk radio when you can, because then you get first person accounts,
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and you get a really good ear for how people are feeling on the ground. Are they concerned about
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things like super high taxes? Are they concerned about the ballooning bloated cost of government?
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And most importantly for our next interview, are they concerned about crime? And how can an average
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person actually get accountability when it comes to things like crime and justice? Let's find out.
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Joining me now is Ben Mulrooney. Ben Mulrooney is a national radio host with the Chorus Radio Network.
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I have been tuning in to his show quite regularly. And Ben, when I miss it, I really love catching up
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on the podcast on the weekends. Yeah, well, that's how media is these days, right? You got to find
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people where they are. And so we're on the radio, we're a podcast, we're on streaming apps, we're on
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social media, we're on YouTube. You got to find people wherever they are. Yeah, big time. All right.
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So one of the main reasons I like listening to your show, and I also like listening to people like
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Brian Lilly and Alex Pearson, because you guys kind of give us a conduit between what I would call
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this form of media, like indie media, right? Independent media, and the normies over at
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mainstream media. So talk radio is that bridge between those two worlds. And you talk to people
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who are on the ground. I hear people calling into your show about experiences they have. You've been
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teeing off lately a lot on crime. Yeah. Things like home invasions. Why is that, man?
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Well, first of all, let me just say kudos to the people at Chorus Radio. I've been doing this for
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not very long, almost a year on this show. And not a single time have I ever been asked to say
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something, or if I've said anything, has it been challenged by the powers that be. I've been given
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unfettered right to say whatever's on my mind. And I'm very, very grateful to be able to play in this
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sandbox. Why is, well, listen, in my entire life, I've never, I've never seen this level of crime in
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Canada. I mean, there was, I remember back when I was on entertainment television, I sat with Michael
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Moore at the, at the Toronto International Film Festival. He was premiering bowling for Columbine.
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And he was trying to point out how peaceful Canada was compared to the United States, because we didn't
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have as many guns. And one of the things that he contended was that Torontonians didn't lock their
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doors. And to prove that he literally just walked into somebody's house. I pointed out that I didn't
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think that was true because I locked my door, but he didn't want to hear that. But that was a
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stereotype that we were all more than happy to embrace back in the day. I don't know a single
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person that doesn't lock their door that if people could afford the bollards to protect their car,
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they have done so. And, and we are, we're, we're, we're living in a time where it, it does not feel
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safe, whether or not that's an accurate representation, because there are people who push
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back on me saying, Oh, crime is down. Okay. I don't care if crime is down relative to the way
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it was 20 years ago, crime is up and people are panicked and people are scared and people are
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looking at their neighbors as if they might, they might, um, have ill will in their heart.
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And that is not how we used to do things. And so I'm not, I I've been accused of rage farming.
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I think in the world we're living in a little bit of rage is worth it. If you are not rageful
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against what has happened to the country, then, then you're part of the problem.
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I wanted to play a clip here because it really rang bells across Canada and you've, I'm sure
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you've heard it many times. It is from the York region and it's a police officer saying what you
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should do if someone breaks into your home. Let's listen. In the unlikely event that you find
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yourself the victim of a home invasion, we are urging citizens not to take matters into their own
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hands. While we don't want homeowners to feel power powerless, we urge you to call 911 and do
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everything you can to keep yourself and loved ones safe until police arrive and be the best witness
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possible. This could mean locking yourself in a room away from the perpetrators, hiding,
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fleeing the home, but don't engage unless absolutely necessary.
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When we have a weekend like we just had, it's easy to understand our community is feeling
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unsafe. But let me say this once again, this does remain a safe place to live and our service
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is doing everything possible to investigate these crimes and to maintain public safety.
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So Ben, you and I have been in the arena for quite a while. We know what's going on here,
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I think. Who do we hold accountable? Because we get emails all the time too, even at the
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Taxpayers Federation of like, what is with these same repeat offenders over and over? Where does
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the buck stop? Because this is the government and it is about accountability. Where does the buck
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Well, look, a couple of things. First, I've got to say that anytime somebody puts on a uniform
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to protect their community, I have a lot of respect for them. So I have a lot of respect for
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that police chief, just like I do the men and women in uniform who go out each and every day
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and put themselves on the line to make sure that I can live the life that I want to lead.
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The police are not the problem. They've never been the problem. They're the same police force
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they were 20 years ago. It's the laws on the books that they are asked to enforce or the
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interpretation of the laws that are already on the books. For example, a lot of people pushed back
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on me and said, oh, well, if you've got a problem with how people protect their homes,
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blame Stephen Harper in 2013. He was the one who put the law on the books as it is today,
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except it's interpreted differently than it was. And so that is one of the problems. On top of that,
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we're not living in Canada of 2013. We have a completely different demographic. We have the
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people committing these crimes. Possibly some of them weren't here back then. And so, yeah,
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there are forces at play that did not exist back then.
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Look, my biggest problem with something like that is it denies the human experience to ask you to keep
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your composure in your home. Look, if I'm walking down the street and somebody shows up with a knife
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and says, give me your wallet. Yeah, take my wallet. That doesn't matter as much as my life.
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That makes sense. You come into my home in the middle of the night. I do not know what I'm liable
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to do. I have no idea. You have crossed the threshold into the one place I treat as my safe place
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in the world. I've earned it. I've paid for it. It's mine. And so that's why I'm a, I'm a proponent
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of, of, of at least exploring the idea of this castle legislation that Pierre Pulliam is putting
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forth because it recognizes human nature. It not only does it do that, but it, it, it makes the
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criminal reevaluate their calculus, right? If right now, of course, they're going to come into your
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house because they know you don't have a gun. They know you can't defend yourself. And if you defend
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yourself too strongly, you're going to be able to, you get to be the victim. And so of course,
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they're going to want to leverage that situation to squeeze as much, uh, ill gotten gain out of this
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possible. But if the calculus changes and they walk in and they know that they might not walk out,
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well, all of a sudden the risk profile changes and maybe they stop doing that. So I like exploring
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that as a possibility. Where does the, where does the buck stop? It stops with, it stops with,
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uh, you know, this, this social engineering that we have been enjoying as a nation for the better
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part of a decade. This, this nonsense that we have to be looking at the underlying root causes of crime
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and criminals. I'm done with that. I'm tired of that. People are doing crimes because they want
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to be doing crimes and they are infringing on the rights of everyday law abiding citizens. And until
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the government in Ottawa decides that they're going to do something about that, uh, it's not going to
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change. I think some of the onus has to be put on the provinces as well, specifically in,
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in, uh, in Ontario, we don't have enough jail space. So, so of course you're going to be letting
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people out, uh, for crimes that where they should be spending the night in jail. Um, so we need,
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we need absolutely more jails built in the province of Ontario. Uh, but if I have to, I mean,
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in order of reports goes feds province and then everybody else. I'm going to do a little bit of
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journalism inside baseball here, but it's for a good reason. So when I was finishing J school at the end of
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the 1990s, we had so many court reporters back then, Ben, it was, you, you'd know just from your
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experience too. And like full disclosure, Ben and I worked together and many moons ago back at
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different corporations. And so back then the court was so often covered that if you would sit at the
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front benches, there was little plaques in front of it for all the major news outlets like Vancouver
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Sun, Vancouver province, BCTV. This is back from my Vancouver days. And it was just standard operating
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procedure that if you were the court reporter, you would just walk into the court, run your finger
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down, check the docket, find out what the criminal code infraction accusation was, cover the case
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every single day. And it wasn't just some high profile biker case that you heard about from other
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media. No, it was your job to sit there and cover court naming judges, listing rap sheets, listing the
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sentencing. I was at Canada strong and free conference over the weekend. And one of my old
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colleagues was talking about perhaps starting something like a court watch where we have
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court reporters again, it would have to be independent. And then you start naming like
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respectfully and properly, but in a journalistic fashion, you start naming these judges more often
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and you start listing the rap sheets of some of these, of some of these perpetrators. Do you think
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that would be a good mechanism of accountability for people? Well, I think, I mean, it's a slippery slope
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into going from the responsibility that you would, you would definitely bring to that, to the less
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responsible naming and shaming with the purpose of shaming. Like the point, your point of doing it
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would be to affect change. There are other others out there who would abuse of that. And they would do it
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specifically with the point of putting a target on certain people's backs. So in principle, in theory, it
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sounds like a good idea. I think it would have to be really well established amongst, as you said, the
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independent media to make sure that there were guardrails in place, because I certainly would never
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want to be part of something that started with really well. And then eventually just turned into
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a mob. But listen, it's a noble, it's a noble goal. And, and, and I do think, I do think these things
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cannot exist without consequence. I mean, letting somebody out that, you know, has been a, a repeat
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offender and they've done it four or five, six times. And then the seventh time they do it, somebody dies.
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Well, the writing was on the wall. The person told you who they were and you had, you had, uh, the
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possibility you could have pulled it levers that would have at least limited their, their freedom
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to the point that they couldn't do that thing that they just did. And so, yeah, if something like
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that happens, I don't know that it's a net negative, uh, to start. Look, you got to watch the
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watchers. You do, you do. And it's about accountability. I wanted to shift gears slightly. And that is the
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house of commons is coming back. The circus is coming back to town. Uh, you've got a lot
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of experience living in Ottawa, living in this environment. Uh, do you think crime is going
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to be one of the top issues? Do you think we're going to fall back to affordability? Because
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I'm shocked every, I'm sure you read the same report, the MNP report, where they ask people
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like, how are you doing financially? And Ben, it's always around 50% of people are within 200 bucks
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every month of not being able to make basic bill payments. It's wild. Yeah. Well, look, I'm not, I,
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I promised my listeners that I wasn't going to, uh, prosecute the previous, the last election.
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Canadians spoke, they made their decision. I personally thought it was the wrong decision, but,
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but I've, I've, I've now moved on to the, the here and now. Um, that being said, uh, I think a lot
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of people are viewing the fear of Donald Trump as something that is receding and therefore all of
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those things that were important to them before the specter of the big, bad orange man was raised,
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uh, those things are rising in importance again. And, and so I think in a, in a lot of ways,
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we are reestablishing that what, what was important and what is now important again. So I think those
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things that, that were of benefit to Pierre Poliev, uh, at a time where he didn't need it and he needed
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it during the election, those are becoming important again. So as the leader of the opposition,
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I have no doubt that he is going to be beating that drum, hopefully differently, hopefully with,
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uh, in a way to show people that he's lurched from the loss, but I think affordability crime
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absolutely are two things that are going to be, uh, things that he's going to try to highlight.
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And if the, and this government in an attempt to demonstrate that they are the agent of change,
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even though they are the agent of change for a government that they are essentially of the
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same government, um, I think it would be incumbent upon them to take immediate steps on these things.
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And look, we've got a prime minister who's been more than willing to cast aside defining aspects
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of this previous government. One that is this important crime, uh, is, uh, should, should be a
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no brainer layup. I can't help it. I have to ask you a couple of palace intrigue questions.
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So we saw, we saw Mark Carney, who I will remind people like literally wrote a book about how much
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he loves carbon taxes. Credit where it's due, he got rid of the consumer carbon tax. That's why gas
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is about 20 cents cheaper per liter. Now we know he's cooking up a big industrial one, but as of right
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now, he did get rid of it and he's climbing out of the EV mandate tree, like slowly, but he's doing
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it. So I got to ask you, I'm watching it pretty closely. Do you see a split happening between the
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Stefan Guybo's like, I would ban all of them if I possibly could and keep all oil in the ground.
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And what Mark Carney is at least shaping up to be of more of a blue Tory. Do you see a wedge there?
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Yeah, maybe. Look, uh, I remember when, uh, when everyone was trying to get rid of Justin Trudeau,
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the party line as to why, why people couldn't get rid of him is because they said he doesn't owe
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anybody anything. He brought that party back from the brink. They were in the third place. He brought
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them back. They wouldn't be where they were without him. You can say the exact same thing about
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Mark Carney without him. That party is in third, possibly fourth place. They owe absolutely
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everything to him. As far as I'm concerned, he holds all the cards. And if, if a person
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like Stefan Guybo for his own reasons and say what you will, he's got the courage of his
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convictions. Uh, they're just not mine. But if he decides he wants, this is not the party
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for him. Uh, I think, I think the country is better off. I think to have one less view like
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that in cabinet, probably a good thing. And, uh, and so is there a schism coming? Probably,
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but it's not a schism that is going to hurt the prime minister in any way, unless what we're
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talking about is the numbers game. Does he have enough support to, to keep this minority government
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going? I'm going to push back a tiny bit on you, Mr. Mulroney. Yes. Um, Mr. Carney does not have the
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same sort of name cache that Mr. Trudeau did. So there's a branding thing here. I think a little
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bit, isn't there within this party? Oh, I don't think so. I think Mark Carney is viewed by, I think
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Mark Carney is, I mean, think about how many, uh, how many MPs were, were, were going to retire to
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spend time with family only to come back because his coattails were as long as they were. And he's,
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he's still enjoying a significant honeymoon period. Rightly so that's the, this is the time to do that
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because not much has happened yet. Uh, and so yeah, is he a Trudeau? No, but he's creating his
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own mythos of his, and the liberals love creating a mythos around people. They tried to do it with
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Ignatieff. That didn't work, but it seems to be working very, very well with Mark Carney. And to
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be fair, he, he's, he's got the biggest brain in the room and he does seem to be working at a pace.
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Look, I don't know about you, Chris, but I do not envy anyone in a position of power right now,
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given how many intersecting crises we have and they have to deal with. I mean, you can't,
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you can't deal with, um, affordability without dealing with the, the, the Chinese tariffs. You
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can't deal with crime without dealing with immigration and so on and so on. I have, I am
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glad I don't have that job because I have no idea how one would approach it. He does seem to be
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approaching it by doing a lot of the front loading his, his schedule with, with, uh, prep work
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so that he can then give us something later on. At least that's the optimist in me speaking. Um,
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but no, I don't think he owes anybody anything. And I think whatever he wants to do, he's going
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to be able to do. Interesting. I always get a kick out of the folks. It's like, I'm going to go spend
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time with my family. And here they are a few months later, they shipped you back. All right. So,
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so, uh, great stuff here. Now, what, what comes next for you? I, you, I don't know if you want to
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say on the air, but you've got a big interview lined up and then you're also, you're going to be
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doing the TV spot for a bit, correct? Yes. So, uh, I'm in, I'm in, um, Winnipeg right now
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because I'm here as part of my, uh, my work with B'nai B'rith Canada. I'm a national ambassador
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and they're have, they're celebrating their 150th anniversary. They're having a gala at the museum
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of human rights. And the guest of honor is prime minister, Stephen Harper. We're going to be in
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conversation on stage tomorrow night. And one of two things is going to happen. I might be able to
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bring parts of that conversation to the listeners of the Ben Mulroney show on Thursday, or if I'm lucky,
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I'm going to have the prime minister in studio for a separate conversation. So very excited about
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that. Uh, and on Sunday, people who tune in regularly to West block, the number one political,
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uh, conversation show on television, uh, they are going to have a new host, at least temporarily.
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Mercedes Stevenson is off on that leave. And so the caretaker role falls to one Ben Mulroney.
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And I'm very, very proud and a very humbled and very excited. And as I said a little bit earlier
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today to those people who think that I only have one speed and you think that, Oh, the Ben
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Mulroney from the Ben Mulroney show can't host that show. I say the person you are at the party
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on Saturday night is not the person you are in church on Sunday. And so, uh, same person,
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completely different space, completely different role. It's not my show. So I have every intention
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of honoring that and making sure I hand it back to Mercedes in better, in better shape than I found
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it. You know, what you said at the outset, and I just have to say, uh, but giving free
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reign, uh, at chorus radio, um, I think that really matters, uh, because I spent a long time
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in mainstream media and to put it nicely, there's some trust issues. Now there's major trust issues
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now for especially folks who are watching this show. And that's again, why I find talk radio
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shows really good because I think it's building that bridge back. And so good on you for taking on
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head on some of these really hard topics and good on your employer for handing you the reins for a
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major TV show. Good luck. Thank you, Chris. Uh, and I look forward to reversing this once again,
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where I can interview you on my show anytime. Thanks so much. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Well, there you have
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it folks, Ben Mulroney, of course, the son of the late prime minister, Brian Mulroney. Again, folks might
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remember him from eTalk and I used to work with him back when I was at CTV too. And, uh, I must say when I
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first tuned into his talk radio show, it was not the same host I was expecting. And so he often
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tackles things like carbon taxes and freedom of speech and censorship and crime. So if you're into
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talk radio, it is a national show. And I do think it's important to try to build a bit of a bridge,
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right? Have a supply line, have a communications line open between our realm here in independent
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media and advocacy groups like the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and what's happening over
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there with the MSM, with mainstream media and talk radio, especially those who've been in the industry
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for a long time and have their own podcasts are given a bit more freedom and they listen to normal
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people on the street much more often than you see in the studios in downtown Toronto and Ottawa. So
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let me know what you think. Let me know in the comments, what you thought about that interview.
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Let me know if you would like to have Ben back as a guest. And most importantly,
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this is where your hero conversations like this. Okay. It isn't very often, frankly, that you'll get
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one of kind of the stars of a mainstream media to come speak directly to independent media. So I see a
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bit of a crack of light in the door here. Do you like that? Do you want more conversations happening
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