The Candice Malcolm Show - September 09, 2025


Ben Mulroney： “I’ve never seen this level of crime in Canada”


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00:00:00.000 Welcome to the Candace Malcolm Show. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the
00:00:06.880 Canadian Taxpayers Federation, filling in for Candace this week. Thank you for making us a
00:00:11.240 part of your day. If you haven't done so yet, make sure you like and subscribe this video
00:00:15.500 and share it with your friends who need a healthy dose of red pills. Okay, lots on the show for you
00:00:21.040 today and I'm pretty excited about today's guest. We're going to be speaking with national talk
00:00:26.620 show host Ben Mulroney. Now, you might be thinking to yourself, isn't he that guy from eTalk that does
00:00:33.180 all the red carpet interviews? Yes, he was. And if you were into the celebrity scene, it was a pretty
00:00:38.160 cool gig. But he actually has the big talk radio station now. He has his own show. It's broadcast
00:00:45.620 all the way out in Vancouver, all the way back into downtown Toronto. And I was seeing some folks
00:00:50.620 online, they're calling him Based Ben now. Why? Because he's speaking out quite forcefully.
00:00:56.620 on things like government spending and crime. So I often see talk radio as the bridge between what
00:01:04.940 we're doing here at Juneau News, what we do at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, what other
00:01:09.820 independent media organizations are doing. Talk radio has always been that kind of bridge between
00:01:16.180 indie media and what the normies are doing over on mainstream media, the MSM. So I've always thought
00:01:23.460 it was important to at least listen to a few of the folks who are in talk radio. Ben Mulroney is one
00:01:29.780 of those talk show hosts. So we're super happy to be presenting him today. So why are we talking to
00:01:34.980 him? Because of course, the House of Commons is going to be back up and running next week. So right now,
00:01:41.340 I can just picture it in downtown Ottawa, staffers are buzzing, they're cleaning up their offices
00:01:46.080 because the boss is coming back. They're getting their briefing papers ready. They're getting raring
00:01:50.640 to go for a fall session of Parliament. They're getting ready for the House of Commons, question
00:01:55.840 period, committees, all of the fun stuff because the circus is going to come back into town. And it
00:02:01.120 was interesting, we got a little bit of a sneak peek. We've seen Conservative leader Pierre Polyev now
00:02:06.240 that he secured his seat in Battle River Crowfoot. We've seen him on camera much more often the past few
00:02:12.000 days. And he was in Brampton, Ontario, just a few minutes ago, making his announcement about what
00:02:17.840 his government would do, if he were a Prime Minister, when it comes to things like purchasing houses and
00:02:24.720 taxes. Listen to this.
00:02:27.280 Axe the federal sales tax for all homebuyers, not just first-time homebuyers and for homes up to $1.3
00:02:35.280 million. Two, axe the capital gains tax on any monies reinvested in homebuilding. So if a business
00:02:45.920 or an individual sells an asset, they enjoy a capital gain, but they reinvested in homebuilding,
00:02:51.280 there should be no capital gains tax. This will cause a building boom right across the country.
00:02:58.160 So once again, that was Conservative Party leader and leader of the opposition Pierre Polyev, who is in
00:03:03.280 Brampton, Ontario, making what I would call a re-announcement from his earlier election platform,
00:03:09.040 reiterating that his party would reduce taxes on the purchasing and the sales of homes. Now,
00:03:15.940 interestingly, I have noticed a bit of a tone change coming from Polyev when it comes to the size
00:03:21.420 of government. So what role will the size of the bureaucracy play once the House of Commons comes
00:03:27.760 back in? Because of course now, his riding is no longer right next to the capital. It's out here in
00:03:34.960 Alberta, and it's about as dark blue as you can get. So will the Conservatives start going hammer and
00:03:41.220 tong after the size and cost of government? We at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation certainly hope so,
00:03:48.380 because we'll put it this way. If the bureaucracy had stayed in line with the growth of the Canadian
00:03:55.460 population, meaning if bureaucrats hadn't just ballooned under former Prime Minister Justin
00:04:00.940 Trudeau, if it had kept pace with population growth, we'd be saving $7 billion a year. Yeah,
00:04:10.140 it's an astonishing amount of money. Speaking of astonishing and accountability, crime. Crime is
00:04:16.560 definitely going to be one of those big factors that not just the opposition party are going to be
00:04:21.520 raising. I've noticed now in the mainstream media, people are talking about it an awful lot more,
00:04:26.560 because we've got some pretty awful headlines coming out of places like Ontario, and frankly,
00:04:31.740 in other locations across Canada, which raises the issue of accountability. Really, who does the buck
00:04:37.500 stop with? If we keep on hearing about repeat offenders and catch and release and a huge cost to the
00:04:43.900 justice system, but it's the same characters that are doing these things over and over again,
00:04:48.860 who ultimately is responsible for making those changes? Now, for anyone who wants to hear about
00:04:56.020 what's actually happening on the ground and how people are feeling, I would strongly recommend
00:05:00.820 tuning in to local talk radio when you can, because then you get first person accounts,
00:05:07.180 and you get a really good ear for how people are feeling on the ground. Are they concerned about
00:05:13.960 things like super high taxes? Are they concerned about the ballooning bloated cost of government?
00:05:19.740 And most importantly for our next interview, are they concerned about crime? And how can an average
00:05:26.460 person actually get accountability when it comes to things like crime and justice? Let's find out.
00:05:34.120 Joining me now is Ben Mulrooney. Ben Mulrooney is a national radio host with the Chorus Radio Network.
00:05:41.040 I have been tuning in to his show quite regularly. And Ben, when I miss it, I really love catching up
00:05:47.120 on the podcast on the weekends. Yeah, well, that's how media is these days, right? You got to find
00:05:51.880 people where they are. And so we're on the radio, we're a podcast, we're on streaming apps, we're on
00:05:56.860 social media, we're on YouTube. You got to find people wherever they are. Yeah, big time. All right.
00:06:01.520 So one of the main reasons I like listening to your show, and I also like listening to people like
00:06:06.040 Brian Lilly and Alex Pearson, because you guys kind of give us a conduit between what I would call
00:06:11.640 this form of media, like indie media, right? Independent media, and the normies over at
00:06:17.840 mainstream media. So talk radio is that bridge between those two worlds. And you talk to people
00:06:23.560 who are on the ground. I hear people calling into your show about experiences they have. You've been
00:06:29.180 teeing off lately a lot on crime. Yeah. Things like home invasions. Why is that, man?
00:06:33.880 Well, first of all, let me just say kudos to the people at Chorus Radio. I've been doing this for
00:06:38.820 not very long, almost a year on this show. And not a single time have I ever been asked to say
00:06:45.600 something, or if I've said anything, has it been challenged by the powers that be. I've been given
00:06:50.800 unfettered right to say whatever's on my mind. And I'm very, very grateful to be able to play in this
00:06:56.880 sandbox. Why is, well, listen, in my entire life, I've never, I've never seen this level of crime in
00:07:03.960 Canada. I mean, there was, I remember back when I was on entertainment television, I sat with Michael
00:07:08.820 Moore at the, at the Toronto International Film Festival. He was premiering bowling for Columbine.
00:07:14.160 And he was trying to point out how peaceful Canada was compared to the United States, because we didn't
00:07:17.640 have as many guns. And one of the things that he contended was that Torontonians didn't lock their
00:07:22.640 doors. And to prove that he literally just walked into somebody's house. I pointed out that I didn't
00:07:26.880 think that was true because I locked my door, but he didn't want to hear that. But that was a
00:07:31.140 stereotype that we were all more than happy to embrace back in the day. I don't know a single
00:07:36.560 person that doesn't lock their door that if people could afford the bollards to protect their car,
00:07:41.840 they have done so. And, and we are, we're, we're, we're living in a time where it, it does not feel
00:07:48.500 safe, whether or not that's an accurate representation, because there are people who push
00:07:52.620 back on me saying, Oh, crime is down. Okay. I don't care if crime is down relative to the way
00:07:58.420 it was 20 years ago, crime is up and people are panicked and people are scared and people are
00:08:02.940 looking at their neighbors as if they might, they might, um, have ill will in their heart.
00:08:09.260 And that is not how we used to do things. And so I'm not, I I've been accused of rage farming.
00:08:15.260 I think in the world we're living in a little bit of rage is worth it. If you are not rageful
00:08:19.960 against what has happened to the country, then, then you're part of the problem.
00:08:22.620 I wanted to play a clip here because it really rang bells across Canada and you've, I'm sure
00:08:28.420 you've heard it many times. It is from the York region and it's a police officer saying what you
00:08:33.360 should do if someone breaks into your home. Let's listen. In the unlikely event that you find
00:08:38.780 yourself the victim of a home invasion, we are urging citizens not to take matters into their own
00:08:43.900 hands. While we don't want homeowners to feel power powerless, we urge you to call 911 and do
00:08:50.380 everything you can to keep yourself and loved ones safe until police arrive and be the best witness
00:08:56.180 possible. This could mean locking yourself in a room away from the perpetrators, hiding,
00:09:01.120 fleeing the home, but don't engage unless absolutely necessary.
00:09:06.920 When we have a weekend like we just had, it's easy to understand our community is feeling
00:09:10.960 unsafe. But let me say this once again, this does remain a safe place to live and our service
00:09:17.420 is doing everything possible to investigate these crimes and to maintain public safety.
00:09:22.920 So Ben, you and I have been in the arena for quite a while. We know what's going on here,
00:09:27.960 I think. Who do we hold accountable? Because we get emails all the time too, even at the
00:09:32.680 Taxpayers Federation of like, what is with these same repeat offenders over and over? Where does
00:09:36.820 the buck stop? Because this is the government and it is about accountability. Where does the buck
00:09:40.640 stop?
00:09:41.280 Well, look, a couple of things. First, I've got to say that anytime somebody puts on a uniform
00:09:46.240 to protect their community, I have a lot of respect for them. So I have a lot of respect for
00:09:49.820 that police chief, just like I do the men and women in uniform who go out each and every day
00:09:55.780 and put themselves on the line to make sure that I can live the life that I want to lead.
00:10:00.920 The police are not the problem. They've never been the problem. They're the same police force
00:10:03.960 they were 20 years ago. It's the laws on the books that they are asked to enforce or the
00:10:08.500 interpretation of the laws that are already on the books. For example, a lot of people pushed back
00:10:12.320 on me and said, oh, well, if you've got a problem with how people protect their homes,
00:10:15.420 blame Stephen Harper in 2013. He was the one who put the law on the books as it is today,
00:10:21.680 except it's interpreted differently than it was. And so that is one of the problems. On top of that,
00:10:26.560 we're not living in Canada of 2013. We have a completely different demographic. We have the
00:10:32.360 people committing these crimes. Possibly some of them weren't here back then. And so, yeah,
00:10:37.460 there are forces at play that did not exist back then.
00:10:39.980 Look, my biggest problem with something like that is it denies the human experience to ask you to keep
00:10:48.020 your composure in your home. Look, if I'm walking down the street and somebody shows up with a knife
00:10:53.020 and says, give me your wallet. Yeah, take my wallet. That doesn't matter as much as my life.
00:10:56.720 That makes sense. You come into my home in the middle of the night. I do not know what I'm liable
00:11:02.400 to do. I have no idea. You have crossed the threshold into the one place I treat as my safe place
00:11:08.440 in the world. I've earned it. I've paid for it. It's mine. And so that's why I'm a, I'm a proponent
00:11:13.240 of, of, of at least exploring the idea of this castle legislation that Pierre Pulliam is putting
00:11:18.980 forth because it recognizes human nature. It not only does it do that, but it, it, it makes the
00:11:25.140 criminal reevaluate their calculus, right? If right now, of course, they're going to come into your
00:11:30.180 house because they know you don't have a gun. They know you can't defend yourself. And if you defend
00:11:34.540 yourself too strongly, you're going to be able to, you get to be the victim. And so of course,
00:11:38.880 they're going to want to leverage that situation to squeeze as much, uh, ill gotten gain out of this
00:11:44.280 possible. But if the calculus changes and they walk in and they know that they might not walk out,
00:11:49.040 well, all of a sudden the risk profile changes and maybe they stop doing that. So I like exploring
00:11:55.280 that as a possibility. Where does the, where does the buck stop? It stops with, it stops with,
00:11:59.840 uh, you know, this, this social engineering that we have been enjoying as a nation for the better
00:12:06.060 part of a decade. This, this nonsense that we have to be looking at the underlying root causes of crime
00:12:12.020 and criminals. I'm done with that. I'm tired of that. People are doing crimes because they want
00:12:16.660 to be doing crimes and they are infringing on the rights of everyday law abiding citizens. And until
00:12:22.040 the government in Ottawa decides that they're going to do something about that, uh, it's not going to
00:12:27.200 change. I think some of the onus has to be put on the provinces as well, specifically in,
00:12:31.580 in, uh, in Ontario, we don't have enough jail space. So, so of course you're going to be letting
00:12:35.900 people out, uh, for crimes that where they should be spending the night in jail. Um, so we need,
00:12:40.680 we need absolutely more jails built in the province of Ontario. Uh, but if I have to, I mean,
00:12:46.000 in order of reports goes feds province and then everybody else. I'm going to do a little bit of
00:12:51.240 journalism inside baseball here, but it's for a good reason. So when I was finishing J school at the end of
00:12:56.100 the 1990s, we had so many court reporters back then, Ben, it was, you, you'd know just from your
00:13:02.160 experience too. And like full disclosure, Ben and I worked together and many moons ago back at
00:13:06.520 different corporations. And so back then the court was so often covered that if you would sit at the
00:13:13.140 front benches, there was little plaques in front of it for all the major news outlets like Vancouver
00:13:17.800 Sun, Vancouver province, BCTV. This is back from my Vancouver days. And it was just standard operating
00:13:23.380 procedure that if you were the court reporter, you would just walk into the court, run your finger
00:13:27.880 down, check the docket, find out what the criminal code infraction accusation was, cover the case
00:13:33.280 every single day. And it wasn't just some high profile biker case that you heard about from other
00:13:38.100 media. No, it was your job to sit there and cover court naming judges, listing rap sheets, listing the
00:13:46.120 sentencing. I was at Canada strong and free conference over the weekend. And one of my old
00:13:51.840 colleagues was talking about perhaps starting something like a court watch where we have
00:13:57.120 court reporters again, it would have to be independent. And then you start naming like
00:14:01.980 respectfully and properly, but in a journalistic fashion, you start naming these judges more often
00:14:06.940 and you start listing the rap sheets of some of these, of some of these perpetrators. Do you think
00:14:12.120 that would be a good mechanism of accountability for people? Well, I think, I mean, it's a slippery slope
00:14:16.980 into going from the responsibility that you would, you would definitely bring to that, to the less
00:14:21.480 responsible naming and shaming with the purpose of shaming. Like the point, your point of doing it
00:14:27.480 would be to affect change. There are other others out there who would abuse of that. And they would do it
00:14:33.580 specifically with the point of putting a target on certain people's backs. So in principle, in theory, it
00:14:39.700 sounds like a good idea. I think it would have to be really well established amongst, as you said, the
00:14:44.160 independent media to make sure that there were guardrails in place, because I certainly would never
00:14:47.900 want to be part of something that started with really well. And then eventually just turned into
00:14:52.420 a mob. But listen, it's a noble, it's a noble goal. And, and, and I do think, I do think these things
00:15:00.900 cannot exist without consequence. I mean, letting somebody out that, you know, has been a, a repeat
00:15:07.440 offender and they've done it four or five, six times. And then the seventh time they do it, somebody dies.
00:15:12.760 Well, the writing was on the wall. The person told you who they were and you had, you had, uh, the
00:15:19.260 possibility you could have pulled it levers that would have at least limited their, their freedom
00:15:23.580 to the point that they couldn't do that thing that they just did. And so, yeah, if something like
00:15:27.800 that happens, I don't know that it's a net negative, uh, to start. Look, you got to watch the
00:15:35.220 watchers. You do, you do. And it's about accountability. I wanted to shift gears slightly. And that is the
00:15:41.120 house of commons is coming back. The circus is coming back to town. Uh, you've got a lot
00:15:45.460 of experience living in Ottawa, living in this environment. Uh, do you think crime is going
00:15:50.280 to be one of the top issues? Do you think we're going to fall back to affordability? Because
00:15:53.900 I'm shocked every, I'm sure you read the same report, the MNP report, where they ask people
00:15:59.020 like, how are you doing financially? And Ben, it's always around 50% of people are within 200 bucks
00:16:05.240 every month of not being able to make basic bill payments. It's wild. Yeah. Well, look, I'm not, I,
00:16:10.820 I promised my listeners that I wasn't going to, uh, prosecute the previous, the last election.
00:16:15.640 Canadians spoke, they made their decision. I personally thought it was the wrong decision, but,
00:16:19.440 but I've, I've, I've now moved on to the, the here and now. Um, that being said, uh, I think a lot
00:16:25.820 of people are viewing the fear of Donald Trump as something that is receding and therefore all of
00:16:30.000 those things that were important to them before the specter of the big, bad orange man was raised,
00:16:34.900 uh, those things are rising in importance again. And, and so I think in a, in a lot of ways,
00:16:39.940 we are reestablishing that what, what was important and what is now important again. So I think those
00:16:47.280 things that, that were of benefit to Pierre Poliev, uh, at a time where he didn't need it and he needed
00:16:52.980 it during the election, those are becoming important again. So as the leader of the opposition,
00:16:57.140 I have no doubt that he is going to be beating that drum, hopefully differently, hopefully with,
00:17:02.840 uh, in a way to show people that he's lurched from the loss, but I think affordability crime
00:17:08.080 absolutely are two things that are going to be, uh, things that he's going to try to highlight.
00:17:12.700 And if the, and this government in an attempt to demonstrate that they are the agent of change,
00:17:19.580 even though they are the agent of change for a government that they are essentially of the
00:17:24.020 same government, um, I think it would be incumbent upon them to take immediate steps on these things.
00:17:29.880 And look, we've got a prime minister who's been more than willing to cast aside defining aspects
00:17:35.160 of this previous government. One that is this important crime, uh, is, uh, should, should be a
00:17:41.120 no brainer layup. I can't help it. I have to ask you a couple of palace intrigue questions.
00:17:46.220 So we saw, we saw Mark Carney, who I will remind people like literally wrote a book about how much
00:17:52.360 he loves carbon taxes. Credit where it's due, he got rid of the consumer carbon tax. That's why gas
00:17:57.960 is about 20 cents cheaper per liter. Now we know he's cooking up a big industrial one, but as of right
00:18:02.160 now, he did get rid of it and he's climbing out of the EV mandate tree, like slowly, but he's doing
00:18:09.200 it. So I got to ask you, I'm watching it pretty closely. Do you see a split happening between the
00:18:14.940 Stefan Guybo's like, I would ban all of them if I possibly could and keep all oil in the ground.
00:18:20.360 And what Mark Carney is at least shaping up to be of more of a blue Tory. Do you see a wedge there?
00:18:26.420 Yeah, maybe. Look, uh, I remember when, uh, when everyone was trying to get rid of Justin Trudeau,
00:18:31.460 the party line as to why, why people couldn't get rid of him is because they said he doesn't owe
00:18:36.320 anybody anything. He brought that party back from the brink. They were in the third place. He brought
00:18:40.900 them back. They wouldn't be where they were without him. You can say the exact same thing about
00:18:44.780 Mark Carney without him. That party is in third, possibly fourth place. They owe absolutely
00:18:50.380 everything to him. As far as I'm concerned, he holds all the cards. And if, if a person
00:18:55.440 like Stefan Guybo for his own reasons and say what you will, he's got the courage of his
00:18:59.820 convictions. Uh, they're just not mine. But if he decides he wants, this is not the party
00:19:04.240 for him. Uh, I think, I think the country is better off. I think to have one less view like
00:19:10.400 that in cabinet, probably a good thing. And, uh, and so is there a schism coming? Probably,
00:19:16.520 but it's not a schism that is going to hurt the prime minister in any way, unless what we're
00:19:21.160 talking about is the numbers game. Does he have enough support to, to keep this minority government
00:19:26.820 going? I'm going to push back a tiny bit on you, Mr. Mulroney. Yes. Um, Mr. Carney does not have the
00:19:34.020 same sort of name cache that Mr. Trudeau did. So there's a branding thing here. I think a little
00:19:41.260 bit, isn't there within this party? Oh, I don't think so. I think Mark Carney is viewed by, I think
00:19:46.100 Mark Carney is, I mean, think about how many, uh, how many MPs were, were, were going to retire to
00:19:50.900 spend time with family only to come back because his coattails were as long as they were. And he's,
00:19:56.320 he's still enjoying a significant honeymoon period. Rightly so that's the, this is the time to do that
00:20:01.880 because not much has happened yet. Uh, and so yeah, is he a Trudeau? No, but he's creating his
00:20:07.900 own mythos of his, and the liberals love creating a mythos around people. They tried to do it with
00:20:12.180 Ignatieff. That didn't work, but it seems to be working very, very well with Mark Carney. And to
00:20:17.100 be fair, he, he's, he's got the biggest brain in the room and he does seem to be working at a pace.
00:20:23.060 Look, I don't know about you, Chris, but I do not envy anyone in a position of power right now,
00:20:27.940 given how many intersecting crises we have and they have to deal with. I mean, you can't,
00:20:33.100 you can't deal with, um, affordability without dealing with the, the, the Chinese tariffs. You
00:20:38.740 can't deal with crime without dealing with immigration and so on and so on. I have, I am
00:20:43.860 glad I don't have that job because I have no idea how one would approach it. He does seem to be
00:20:48.600 approaching it by doing a lot of the front loading his, his schedule with, with, uh, prep work
00:20:55.520 so that he can then give us something later on. At least that's the optimist in me speaking. Um,
00:21:02.160 but no, I don't think he owes anybody anything. And I think whatever he wants to do, he's going
00:21:05.880 to be able to do. Interesting. I always get a kick out of the folks. It's like, I'm going to go spend
00:21:09.640 time with my family. And here they are a few months later, they shipped you back. All right. So,
00:21:14.720 so, uh, great stuff here. Now, what, what comes next for you? I, you, I don't know if you want to
00:21:19.860 say on the air, but you've got a big interview lined up and then you're also, you're going to be
00:21:22.960 doing the TV spot for a bit, correct? Yes. So, uh, I'm in, I'm in, um, Winnipeg right now
00:21:27.460 because I'm here as part of my, uh, my work with B'nai B'rith Canada. I'm a national ambassador
00:21:31.780 and they're have, they're celebrating their 150th anniversary. They're having a gala at the museum
00:21:36.520 of human rights. And the guest of honor is prime minister, Stephen Harper. We're going to be in
00:21:40.660 conversation on stage tomorrow night. And one of two things is going to happen. I might be able to
00:21:45.620 bring parts of that conversation to the listeners of the Ben Mulroney show on Thursday, or if I'm lucky,
00:21:50.920 I'm going to have the prime minister in studio for a separate conversation. So very excited about
00:21:55.860 that. Uh, and on Sunday, people who tune in regularly to West block, the number one political,
00:22:02.340 uh, conversation show on television, uh, they are going to have a new host, at least temporarily.
00:22:07.780 Mercedes Stevenson is off on that leave. And so the caretaker role falls to one Ben Mulroney.
00:22:13.400 And I'm very, very proud and a very humbled and very excited. And as I said a little bit earlier
00:22:19.280 today to those people who think that I only have one speed and you think that, Oh, the Ben
00:22:24.220 Mulroney from the Ben Mulroney show can't host that show. I say the person you are at the party
00:22:28.860 on Saturday night is not the person you are in church on Sunday. And so, uh, same person,
00:22:34.600 completely different space, completely different role. It's not my show. So I have every intention
00:22:39.120 of honoring that and making sure I hand it back to Mercedes in better, in better shape than I found
00:22:43.800 it. You know, what you said at the outset, and I just have to say, uh, but giving free
00:22:48.840 reign, uh, at chorus radio, um, I think that really matters, uh, because I spent a long time
00:22:54.100 in mainstream media and to put it nicely, there's some trust issues. Now there's major trust issues
00:23:00.140 now for especially folks who are watching this show. And that's again, why I find talk radio
00:23:05.220 shows really good because I think it's building that bridge back. And so good on you for taking on
00:23:11.760 head on some of these really hard topics and good on your employer for handing you the reins for a
00:23:17.000 major TV show. Good luck. Thank you, Chris. Uh, and I look forward to reversing this once again,
00:23:21.480 where I can interview you on my show anytime. Thanks so much. Bye-bye. Bye-bye. Well, there you have
00:23:26.100 it folks, Ben Mulroney, of course, the son of the late prime minister, Brian Mulroney. Again, folks might
00:23:33.000 remember him from eTalk and I used to work with him back when I was at CTV too. And, uh, I must say when I
00:23:39.020 first tuned into his talk radio show, it was not the same host I was expecting. And so he often
00:23:44.740 tackles things like carbon taxes and freedom of speech and censorship and crime. So if you're into
00:23:53.120 talk radio, it is a national show. And I do think it's important to try to build a bit of a bridge,
00:23:59.480 right? Have a supply line, have a communications line open between our realm here in independent
00:24:05.720 media and advocacy groups like the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and what's happening over
00:24:11.320 there with the MSM, with mainstream media and talk radio, especially those who've been in the industry
00:24:18.320 for a long time and have their own podcasts are given a bit more freedom and they listen to normal
00:24:24.200 people on the street much more often than you see in the studios in downtown Toronto and Ottawa. So
00:24:30.420 let me know what you think. Let me know in the comments, what you thought about that interview.
00:24:34.500 Let me know if you would like to have Ben back as a guest. And most importantly,
00:24:40.260 this is where your hero conversations like this. Okay. It isn't very often, frankly, that you'll get
00:24:45.780 one of kind of the stars of a mainstream media to come speak directly to independent media. So I see a
00:24:51.820 bit of a crack of light in the door here. Do you like that? Do you want more conversations happening
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