BREAKING： Mark Carney sent daughter to discredited U.K. Tavistock Transgender Clinic
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Sasha Carney is a writer, a former student activist, and as the Prime Minister s daughter, one of four kids. She s had quite a public footprint and is a prolific online presence, which adds to her mystique. But when it comes to gender dysphoria, she s not only a writer and activist, but she s been sent to therapy at the Tavistock Clinic when she was a teenager.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show, and we are breaking some news,
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an exclusive story that just came out on Juno News, that Mark Carney, Canada's new Prime
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Minister, sent his daughter, his eldest daughter, Sasha, to the Tavistock Clinic, the transgender
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clinic in the UK for treatment with regards to gender dysphoria. This happened when Sasha
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was a teenager. She lived in the UK from age 13 to 17, and during that time, she went to the
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Tavistock Clinic. We are joined today by the reporters who broke this story, True North's
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Kosman Georgia and Alex Zoltan. Alex Kosman, welcome to the show. Thanks, Candice. Thank you.
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Okay, so I'll go to you first, Kosman. Can you tell us about the story, what happened,
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how we found it, and tell us a little bit about the Tavistock Clinic for those who don't know.
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Yeah, that's right. So Sasha Carney, who was born Sophia Carney, that's her birth name,
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is quite a public figure in her own right. She's a writer, a former student activist,
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and as the Prime Minister's daughter, one of four kids, she's had quite a public footprint. So we
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decided to investigate some of the things that she's written, and there's quite a lot of it.
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And part of that was this essay in which she discusses transgender issues. A lot of her writing
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is actually about LGBT and transgender issues. But in this particular piece, she discusses how she
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went to therapy at the Tavistock Clinic. And the Tavistock Clinic, for those who aren't familiar with
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it, was shuttered by the National Health Service in the United Kingdom, because of several exposés
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that revealed that clinicians were rushing children as young as six years old and under into life
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changing, life altering gender transition treatments, as they called it. And it was over 300 kids that
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were under six years old that were being pushed into this type of medicalization, based on this idea
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that they somehow had gender dysphoria at this young age. And it caused lawsuits. And this is why
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this clinic was eventually shuttered. And it eventually led to the Cass Review, which is that
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famous review that came out of the UK, disproving some of the claims that transgender community makes
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about the so-called effectiveness of this treatment.
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Well, it's really remarkable. I mean, you have to sort of feel bad for a person like this. I'm talking
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about Sasha, because this was happening to her when she was a teenager. And, you know, a parent's role
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in life is to help guide their children, particularly through some of the most difficult issues that they
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face in their teenage years. And so I mentioned off the top that Sasha lived in the UK with her dad when
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Mark Carney went to take that job for the governor of Bank of England. She was a teenager. We found that
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information because she has, like you said, she's a writer. She's a prolific writer. And she's been
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receiving a lot of publicity. So you can go back to when she was 13 years old, she was writing short
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stories. And there was a profile of her on an Ottawa blog that mentioned that she was 13 years old. And
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at that point, she was still going by Sophia, that she moved to the UK. And by the time she started at
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Yale University in 2017, when she was 17 or 18 years old, at that point, she was already going by
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Sasha. Alex, why don't you talk a little bit about the specific essay that you found that she talks
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about the Tavistock Clinic? What does she say? What does the essay tell us about this young woman?
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Yeah, so she speaks a lot about not feeling trans enough, which I thought was really interesting.
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Clearly, you know, a young person going through identity issues. Yeah, it's quite, it's a very short
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essay. It's only, you know, a couple of pages long. But as Cosmin had mentioned, she does have a really
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prolific online presence. And so there's a lot of other information out there. She's very political,
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which kind of adds to the mystique and intrigue of why she isn't a part of Carney's campaign like his
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other daughters. And I found, I think that's kind of interesting as well.
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Well, you mentioned it. So the youngest daughter, Cleo, people might recognize her because she was
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the one that was out introducing her father at the liberal convention. You can see her on the screen
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there. She is a first year university student, a freshman at Harvard, obviously a super impressive
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young woman. She spoke very eloquently. You saw how proud she is of her dad. And it kind of gives you
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like a warm feeling of like, what a lovely family, like, look at this daughter, they must be so proud of
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her. And she also earlier appeared in a campaign ad for Mark Carney, just talking about why she thinks
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that her dad will be a great prime minister. She's sort of an influencer in her own right. And she's
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involved in a lot of left wing environmentalists advocacy as well. But in light of the story about
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Sasha that we now know, it's like, you know, they have this one daughter that they're putting out in
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front of the campaign to try to focus attention over here. And then you realize this other story about
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their other daughter. And it is kind of sad. I want to point to this essay that was in authenticity,
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we saw the headline of it. And one of the things I'll just read a passage from it. She writes that
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I watched as a friend, after a year of weekly appointments, trying desperately to get an official
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diagnosis of gender dysphoria, was denied the diagnosis, and with it any hope of top surgery,
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because they sometimes wore skirts. So from that quote, I sort of see that these young women are
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almost trying to game the system, like they go to therapy, and they're trying to convince a therapist
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that they have gender dysphoria, because they want to get top surgery, like a body altering
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surgery to make young women look more masculine and more like boys. I'll continue to read she said that
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I felt a fierce surge of jealousy every time I walked into Tavistock for therapy, and saw patients
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turn left towards the medical spaces I didn't feel trans enough to enter. So judging from this passage,
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it appears that she was there for therapy, obviously, but that she wasn't on a pathway to
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being transitioned, because she said, you know, the other people turn left, those are the ones that
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were getting to go to medical spaces for like, more trans people, and that she was just going there
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for therapy. And so to me, that means that either the therapists or perhaps her parents weren't allowing
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her to go down that path. But yet they were still allowing her to go to Tavistock. And she mentioned
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earlier in the essay that she lived a block away from it. And so you have to wonder, you know, age 13 to
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17, still very much under the guide of your parents, that her mom and dad allowed her to do this allowed
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for this to happen. And, you know, now we see Sasha continuing in public life. She's a very prolific
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writer, as you mentioned, she endorsed Bernie Sanders for president, the sort of far left
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Democrat, even though she's Canadian, I don't think she's American. Kazma, what else has your research
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found? Yeah, in that essay, she also discusses and advocates for child use of puberty blockers.
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She says that children have a right to puberty blockers have a right to hormone therapy. So it's
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very evident that that was her intention is was to go down the medical transition route. But as you
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pointed out, perhaps it didn't look like that happened. She was just there for therapy. But on a
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larger scale, Mark Carney has never addressed this issue, what he thinks about the transgender issue,
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whether biological men should be in women's spaces. He's made a brief comment talking about it,
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you know, America's war on woke. And he's also, but he's never gotten any further into that. And we
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need to know where Mark Carney stands on these issues, because he's going to go up for an election.
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He wasn't elected. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we have that clip. So let's let's play this. This is just to
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just to key it up to the viewer. This is something that Mark Carney said that he's never been pressed
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on, right? He comes out and he says, the Americans are fighting a war on woke. We're going to continue
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to fight for inclusivity, which to me means that he is pro woke, like he is woke. If he's opposed to
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the Americans fighting war on woke, then that would mean that he's pro woke. But no journalist has been
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able to ask him about this. And this makes me wonder if this is the reason why True North and Juno News
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and other independent media outlets have not been allowed anywhere near Mark Carney, because they're
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worried that he might get pressed on this important issue that Canadians do deserve to know. Where does
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he stand on the trans issue? Does he believe that boys should get to play in girls sports? Does he
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believe that children should be able to access life altering medications and surgeries? Like this is a
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huge topic right now. And he hasn't answered. So, well, let's let's first show that clip that you're
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referring to, Cosman. There's a fever gripping America. And while it rages, Canadians will remain
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resolute and true to our values. While America engages in a war on woke, Canadians will continue to
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value inclusiveness. Now, it's interesting that he said that because that obviously stood out to all of
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us. And at the time, I thought maybe someone on his campaign had written the line and it had kind of
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gone over poorly. So they never mentioned it again because it almost seemed out of character for Mark
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Carney. He doesn't seem like a radical. He doesn't seem like a leftist. And yet he said that and he
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didn't say anything else like that ever again. Like I said, the media never pressed him on it. But given
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this new information that's come to light about his own daughter, it does sort of say, okay, well,
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he is on that side. He does believe these things. He lived them in his own family and allowed this to
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happen with his daughter. So obviously he is woke. What do you think, Alex?
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Yeah, it seems like a very radical departure from the Trudeau liberal leadership because Trudeau never
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neglected an opportunity to put himself behind, I'll just call it the rainbow agenda, I guess you
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could call it. Whereas Mark Carney almost seems to be running away from it. And this woke comment is
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really the only glimpse of what we might know about his actual opinions on the subject. He's been very
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evasive. And so if Trudeau were in charge and Sophia was his daughter, I feel like he would be
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using her as center stage for his political campaigning. So I find this is kind of an
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Well, it's interesting, but I think that times have changed. I really believe that most people
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in the West, most Canadians are not on board for this kind of thing. Like they see it as an issue
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of fairness. I certainly do. I don't want little boys playing sports against my daughters. I just
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don't want that. And when I go back to my own childhood, like one of my best memories was playing
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sports. And being a girl playing sports is an opportunity that you only get because of girls'
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leagues. And if all of a sudden you're allowing boys to go in there, allowing boys to invade
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female spaces like locker rooms, bathrooms, even women's shelters and female prisons. I mean,
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we've seen all kinds of horrors happen in those environments over the last decade. And I think
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enough people are saying like enough with this stuff. It's not a good idea, particularly around
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children. Remember, Danielle Smith, premier of Alberta, banned these kinds of things, puberty blockers
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and surgeries for minors. And, you know, I think a lot of people were expecting like a
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huge blowback and it just didn't happen because people want this. Like even people on the political
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left that I talked to, they don't, they're not on board with this kind of thing. They think it's wrong,
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particularly with children. And so maybe Mark Carney is just reading the political environment. Now,
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just to disclose to the viewer, we don't, we're not reporting at all that Mark Carney's daughter
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transitioned or that she took any kind of puberty blockers or pharmaceutical drugs or had any kind of
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surgery. That's not confirmed at all. That's not what the story is. The story is simply that she
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went to this gender clinic for therapy. She wrote about it in an essay and that that gender clinic
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has since been closed due to completely unethical practices and whistleblowers, basically showing
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that young children were forced, were rushed into transition. So really interesting. If you go
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through her bio as well, when she was attending Yale University, she was interviewed for an article. I believe
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we have a picture of it here, that Yale University decided to give students the option of identifying
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as non-binary. So Yale gives students three gender choices. And Sasha Carney was quoted heavily in this
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piece talking about herself as a transgender person and as being non-binary. And so that is quite
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interesting. And we also found a record of an official name change. So she changed her name
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legally from Sophia Carney to Sasha Carney in 2021. But we can tell by her writing that she went by
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the name Sasha Carney from a much younger age. But she legally did it, interestingly, that she did it in
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New York, given that I believe she's a Canadian and a citizen of the UK, or maybe she's not a citizen of
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the UK. But she lived in UK for high school. But she currently lives in Brooklyn. So I mean,
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it sort of seems like she's having some kind of an identity crisis. What do you think, Cosman?
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Yeah, but she's also a student activist from the pieces I've read of her time at Yale and at
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university, she was pretty much pushing for these issues at the student level. And it's, it's, you know,
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we're talking about Mark Carney, I think Mark Carney is attempting to portray himself as a conservative.
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And that's why he won't touch this issue. And on the other hand, it's also the rabid nature of
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transgender activists who would totally skewer him if he went in any other direction than the one they
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approve of. And I doubt, yeah. Yeah, well, I was gonna say, including presumably his own daughter,
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because she does seem to be quite an activist, like some of the other positions that she advocated
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for in these essays that she wrote, like the abolition of prisons, like all prisons, basically,
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all criminals should be allowed out on the street. Obviously, this was in the context of like,
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the Black Lives Matter, like, defund the police, but she went even further, right? Most people were
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just saying, most, most radical leftists were just saying defund the police, but she was saying,
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and abolish all prisons. And like you said earlier, she advocates for children receiving
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these life altering pharmaceutical drugs and surgeries. You can continue, Cosme.
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Yeah. And it's, you know, important to ask these questions. This is our prime minister,
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and nobody else is doing it. The legacy media refuses to ask him any tough questions or
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try to get his views about anything other than what he wants to talk about. And Mark Carney has been
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totally silent on this in terms of trying getting responses to us. We've repeatedly tried to reach out
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to Mark Carney to offer him an opportunity to explain himself and to tell Canadians where he
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stands on these issues. And he has refused every attempt. He's thrown out our reporters. He's thrown
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out other independent media reporters. But this is our job. This is the job of journalists to look into
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Well, and particularly his daughter. And also of note, the story that we're talking about did happen
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when she was a teenager. She was 13 to 17 when she was in the UK. And that is when she went to the
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Tavistock clinic. But she's now an adult. She's a 24 year old. She lives in Brooklyn. She's a public
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figure because she writes prolifically, including about personal details of her own life. So, you know,
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we're not pulling anything that's not already published in the public domain already. Now, Alex,
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you reached out to Sasha Carney. Did she reply to you?
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No, she did not. And she's also removing some of her other socials as well. So I think she's trying to,
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you know, evade public scrutiny, as is her right.
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Yeah, I mean, she's a she's a private citizen. But her father is the prime minister of this country.
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And I think that it's completely fair game to ask him what his positions are,
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given what happened with his own daughter. And interestingly, as well, you know, this is this
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is sort of an interesting thing. She she says, like in every every time she's profiled, every time she's
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interviewed, she says that she goes by they them pronouns. But yet she's still referred to as Mark
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Carney's daughter. So maybe maybe this is like my own ignorance. I don't quite understand.
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Like, she considers herself non binary, but she still considers herself to be Mark Carney's daughter.
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No, actually, I can't. I was thinking about that last night as well. I don't know if gender neutral
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folks go by daughter or son, right? I mean, what would you describe them as, as a child? I don't know,
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Yeah, I don't know either. Cosman, do you know?
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Well, I would assume the neutral term would be Mark Carney's child. But that's also like
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infantilizes it a little bit. But yeah, it's and there's not a lot of clarity. I think there is a
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lot of confusion that comes across in her own writing, right? This need to meet society's standards,
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the standards that I guess the transgender community has set for themselves.
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There is this expectation to go become medicalized and do the full thing, have a full cross gender
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operation. I think most transgender people sets like set that bar and look at themselves and consider
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whether they're going that direction. But from her own writing, it's a lot about, well, you know,
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am I trans enough? Am I meeting these expectations? But it just goes to show how
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how agenda driven and almost this like sort of like cult like status the transgender community has
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imposed on the people who have fallen into it. Yeah, it's so strange, because when I was reading
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about her as well, I noticed the demand for they them pronouns. But then anytime I read about her like
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the CBC, she won some poetry prize back in 2019, or she was nominated for one. And there's an article
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about her in the CBC, and they refer to her as they, which as a reader, I just get confused,
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like I don't understand how a single person can be they. I know that they insist on, she insists on
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using they them, but it doesn't make sense from a written perspective, which is why I noticed in our
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piece at Juno News, we still refer to her as he she because it's, she was born a woman. And I think
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she is still a woman just a confused one. Sadly, what a sad story. I can't help but feel bad for
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this young woman and feel a little bit of like anger and frustration at her parents for allowing
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this to happen to her. Well, Cosmin, Alex, thanks so much for joining us. I really appreciate you
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highlighting this you spending the weekend obviously researching and putting this information out. So
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thanks so much for all your work. Thank you, Candice. All right, folks, head on over to
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junonews.com. You can see the full article. And I encourage you to subscribe to Juno as well and help
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support independent journalists like Cosmin and Alex and all the work that they do at True North.
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I'm Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news
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updates. We'll talk about Mark Carney and his trip to Europe, his new cabinet, him abolishing or at least
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saying he's getting rid of the carbon taxes and much, much more. So we'll be back tomorrow with all the