The Candice Malcolm Show - BREAKING： Mark Carney sent daughter to discredited U.K. Tavistock Transgender Clinic

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show, and we are breaking some news,

00:00:12.840 an exclusive story that just came out on Juno News, that Mark Carney, Canada's new Prime

00:00:17.680 Minister, sent his daughter, his eldest daughter, Sasha, to the Tavistock Clinic, the transgender 1.00

00:00:23.940 clinic in the UK for treatment with regards to gender dysphoria. This happened when Sasha

00:00:30.340 was a teenager. She lived in the UK from age 13 to 17, and during that time, she went to the

00:00:37.540 Tavistock Clinic. We are joined today by the reporters who broke this story, True North's

00:00:42.980 Kosman Georgia and Alex Zoltan. Alex Kosman, welcome to the show. Thanks, Candice. Thank you.

00:00:48.720 Okay, so I'll go to you first, Kosman. Can you tell us about the story, what happened,

00:00:54.280 how we found it, and tell us a little bit about the Tavistock Clinic for those who don't know.

00:00:59.660 Yeah, that's right. So Sasha Carney, who was born Sophia Carney, that's her birth name,

00:01:05.080 is quite a public figure in her own right. She's a writer, a former student activist,

00:01:09.960 and as the Prime Minister's daughter, one of four kids, she's had quite a public footprint. So we

00:01:18.040 decided to investigate some of the things that she's written, and there's quite a lot of it.

00:01:23.340 And part of that was this essay in which she discusses transgender issues. A lot of her writing

00:01:29.500 is actually about LGBT and transgender issues. But in this particular piece, she discusses how she

00:01:35.700 went to therapy at the Tavistock Clinic. And the Tavistock Clinic, for those who aren't familiar with

00:01:42.220 it, was shuttered by the National Health Service in the United Kingdom, because of several exposés

00:01:48.260 that revealed that clinicians were rushing children as young as six years old and under into life

00:01:56.960 changing, life altering gender transition treatments, as they called it. And it was over 300 kids that

00:02:04.620 were under six years old that were being pushed into this type of medicalization, based on this idea

00:02:11.320 that they somehow had gender dysphoria at this young age. And it caused lawsuits. And this is why 0.74

00:02:17.900 this clinic was eventually shuttered. And it eventually led to the Cass Review, which is that

00:02:22.880 famous review that came out of the UK, disproving some of the claims that transgender community makes

00:02:29.680 about the so-called effectiveness of this treatment.

00:02:32.700 Well, it's really remarkable. I mean, you have to sort of feel bad for a person like this. I'm talking

00:02:39.080 about Sasha, because this was happening to her when she was a teenager. And, you know, a parent's role

00:02:44.840 in life is to help guide their children, particularly through some of the most difficult issues that they

00:02:50.240 face in their teenage years. And so I mentioned off the top that Sasha lived in the UK with her dad when

00:02:55.960 Mark Carney went to take that job for the governor of Bank of England. She was a teenager. We found that

00:03:01.340 information because she has, like you said, she's a writer. She's a prolific writer. And she's been

00:03:06.840 receiving a lot of publicity. So you can go back to when she was 13 years old, she was writing short

00:03:12.540 stories. And there was a profile of her on an Ottawa blog that mentioned that she was 13 years old. And

00:03:19.460 at that point, she was still going by Sophia, that she moved to the UK. And by the time she started at

00:03:24.520 Yale University in 2017, when she was 17 or 18 years old, at that point, she was already going by

00:03:30.420 Sasha. Alex, why don't you talk a little bit about the specific essay that you found that she talks

00:03:37.440 about the Tavistock Clinic? What does she say? What does the essay tell us about this young woman?

00:03:43.680 Yeah, so she speaks a lot about not feeling trans enough, which I thought was really interesting. 1.00

00:03:51.460 Clearly, you know, a young person going through identity issues. Yeah, it's quite, it's a very short

00:03:58.040 essay. It's only, you know, a couple of pages long. But as Cosmin had mentioned, she does have a really

00:04:02.600 prolific online presence. And so there's a lot of other information out there. She's very political,

00:04:09.040 which kind of adds to the mystique and intrigue of why she isn't a part of Carney's campaign like his

00:04:15.520 other daughters. And I found, I think that's kind of interesting as well.

00:04:18.820 Well, you mentioned it. So the youngest daughter, Cleo, people might recognize her because she was

00:04:25.920 the one that was out introducing her father at the liberal convention. You can see her on the screen

00:04:30.240 there. She is a first year university student, a freshman at Harvard, obviously a super impressive

00:04:35.860 young woman. She spoke very eloquently. You saw how proud she is of her dad. And it kind of gives you

00:04:40.900 like a warm feeling of like, what a lovely family, like, look at this daughter, they must be so proud of

00:04:46.040 her. And she also earlier appeared in a campaign ad for Mark Carney, just talking about why she thinks

00:04:54.060 that her dad will be a great prime minister. She's sort of an influencer in her own right. And she's

00:04:57.880 involved in a lot of left wing environmentalists advocacy as well. But in light of the story about

00:05:05.020 Sasha that we now know, it's like, you know, they have this one daughter that they're putting out in

00:05:09.300 front of the campaign to try to focus attention over here. And then you realize this other story about

00:05:14.180 their other daughter. And it is kind of sad. I want to point to this essay that was in authenticity,

00:05:21.640 we saw the headline of it. And one of the things I'll just read a passage from it. She writes that

00:05:28.500 I watched as a friend, after a year of weekly appointments, trying desperately to get an official

00:05:34.560 diagnosis of gender dysphoria, was denied the diagnosis, and with it any hope of top surgery,

00:05:41.200 because they sometimes wore skirts. So from that quote, I sort of see that these young women are

00:05:48.320 almost trying to game the system, like they go to therapy, and they're trying to convince a therapist

00:05:52.240 that they have gender dysphoria, because they want to get top surgery, like a body altering 0.60

00:05:57.560 surgery to make young women look more masculine and more like boys. I'll continue to read she said that 0.97

00:06:03.520 I felt a fierce surge of jealousy every time I walked into Tavistock for therapy, and saw patients

00:06:11.100 turn left towards the medical spaces I didn't feel trans enough to enter. So judging from this passage,

00:06:19.720 it appears that she was there for therapy, obviously, but that she wasn't on a pathway to

00:06:25.520 being transitioned, because she said, you know, the other people turn left, those are the ones that

00:06:29.980 were getting to go to medical spaces for like, more trans people, and that she was just going there

00:06:35.280 for therapy. And so to me, that means that either the therapists or perhaps her parents weren't allowing

00:06:41.580 her to go down that path. But yet they were still allowing her to go to Tavistock. And she mentioned

00:06:45.580 earlier in the essay that she lived a block away from it. And so you have to wonder, you know, age 13 to

00:06:50.600 17, still very much under the guide of your parents, that her mom and dad allowed her to do this allowed

00:06:57.700 for this to happen. And, you know, now we see Sasha continuing in public life. She's a very prolific 0.96

00:07:05.480 writer, as you mentioned, she endorsed Bernie Sanders for president, the sort of far left

00:07:09.820 Democrat, even though she's Canadian, I don't think she's American. Kazma, what else has your research

00:07:15.320 found? Yeah, in that essay, she also discusses and advocates for child use of puberty blockers.

00:07:23.960 She says that children have a right to puberty blockers have a right to hormone therapy. So it's

00:07:30.340 very evident that that was her intention is was to go down the medical transition route. But as you

00:07:35.980 pointed out, perhaps it didn't look like that happened. She was just there for therapy. But on a

00:07:41.940 larger scale, Mark Carney has never addressed this issue, what he thinks about the transgender issue,

00:07:48.520 whether biological men should be in women's spaces. He's made a brief comment talking about it,

00:07:56.300 you know, America's war on woke. And he's also, but he's never gotten any further into that. And we

00:08:01.940 need to know where Mark Carney stands on these issues, because he's going to go up for an election.

00:08:07.440 He wasn't elected. Yeah, absolutely. Well, we have that clip. So let's let's play this. This is just to

00:08:13.060 just to key it up to the viewer. This is something that Mark Carney said that he's never been pressed

00:08:19.040 on, right? He comes out and he says, the Americans are fighting a war on woke. We're going to continue

00:08:23.140 to fight for inclusivity, which to me means that he is pro woke, like he is woke. If he's opposed to

00:08:29.080 the Americans fighting war on woke, then that would mean that he's pro woke. But no journalist has been

00:08:33.700 able to ask him about this. And this makes me wonder if this is the reason why True North and Juno News

00:08:38.980 and other independent media outlets have not been allowed anywhere near Mark Carney, because they're

00:08:43.940 worried that he might get pressed on this important issue that Canadians do deserve to know. Where does

00:08:47.860 he stand on the trans issue? Does he believe that boys should get to play in girls sports? Does he

00:08:53.380 believe that children should be able to access life altering medications and surgeries? Like this is a

00:08:59.620 huge topic right now. And he hasn't answered. So, well, let's let's first show that clip that you're

00:09:04.580 referring to, Cosman. There's a fever gripping America. And while it rages, Canadians will remain 1.00

00:09:12.420 resolute and true to our values. While America engages in a war on woke, Canadians will continue to

00:09:21.380 value inclusiveness. Now, it's interesting that he said that because that obviously stood out to all of

00:09:27.140 us. And at the time, I thought maybe someone on his campaign had written the line and it had kind of

00:09:32.420 gone over poorly. So they never mentioned it again because it almost seemed out of character for Mark

00:09:36.340 Carney. He doesn't seem like a radical. He doesn't seem like a leftist. And yet he said that and he

00:09:40.500 didn't say anything else like that ever again. Like I said, the media never pressed him on it. But given

00:09:44.900 this new information that's come to light about his own daughter, it does sort of say, okay, well,

00:09:49.700 he is on that side. He does believe these things. He lived them in his own family and allowed this to

00:09:55.700 happen with his daughter. So obviously he is woke. What do you think, Alex?

00:10:00.900 Yeah, it seems like a very radical departure from the Trudeau liberal leadership because Trudeau never

00:10:06.820 neglected an opportunity to put himself behind, I'll just call it the rainbow agenda, I guess you 0.99

00:10:13.700 could call it. Whereas Mark Carney almost seems to be running away from it. And this woke comment is

00:10:19.780 really the only glimpse of what we might know about his actual opinions on the subject. He's been very

00:10:25.540 evasive. And so if Trudeau were in charge and Sophia was his daughter, I feel like he would be

00:10:32.260 using her as center stage for his political campaigning. So I find this is kind of an

00:10:37.060 interesting departure.

00:10:38.180 Well, it's interesting, but I think that times have changed. I really believe that most people

00:10:42.740 in the West, most Canadians are not on board for this kind of thing. Like they see it as an issue

00:10:47.940 of fairness. I certainly do. I don't want little boys playing sports against my daughters. I just

00:10:52.020 don't want that. And when I go back to my own childhood, like one of my best memories was playing

00:10:57.140 sports. And being a girl playing sports is an opportunity that you only get because of girls' 1.00

00:11:02.580 leagues. And if all of a sudden you're allowing boys to go in there, allowing boys to invade

00:11:06.980 female spaces like locker rooms, bathrooms, even women's shelters and female prisons. I mean, 0.98

00:11:13.380 we've seen all kinds of horrors happen in those environments over the last decade. And I think

00:11:17.780 enough people are saying like enough with this stuff. It's not a good idea, particularly around

00:11:22.740 children. Remember, Danielle Smith, premier of Alberta, banned these kinds of things, puberty blockers

00:11:30.020 and surgeries for minors. And, you know, I think a lot of people were expecting like a

00:11:34.660 huge blowback and it just didn't happen because people want this. Like even people on the political

00:11:38.900 left that I talked to, they don't, they're not on board with this kind of thing. They think it's wrong,

00:11:42.660 particularly with children. And so maybe Mark Carney is just reading the political environment. Now,

00:11:47.780 just to disclose to the viewer, we don't, we're not reporting at all that Mark Carney's daughter

00:11:53.300 transitioned or that she took any kind of puberty blockers or pharmaceutical drugs or had any kind of

00:11:58.900 surgery. That's not confirmed at all. That's not what the story is. The story is simply that she

00:12:02.660 went to this gender clinic for therapy. She wrote about it in an essay and that that gender clinic 0.96

00:12:08.420 has since been closed due to completely unethical practices and whistleblowers, basically showing

00:12:14.340 that young children were forced, were rushed into transition. So really interesting. If you go

00:12:21.380 through her bio as well, when she was attending Yale University, she was interviewed for an article. I believe

00:12:27.940 we have a picture of it here, that Yale University decided to give students the option of identifying

00:12:36.500 as non-binary. So Yale gives students three gender choices. And Sasha Carney was quoted heavily in this

00:12:44.500 piece talking about herself as a transgender person and as being non-binary. And so that is quite

00:12:53.860 interesting. And we also found a record of an official name change. So she changed her name 0.93

00:12:59.380 legally from Sophia Carney to Sasha Carney in 2021. But we can tell by her writing that she went by

00:13:07.060 the name Sasha Carney from a much younger age. But she legally did it, interestingly, that she did it in

00:13:12.500 New York, given that I believe she's a Canadian and a citizen of the UK, or maybe she's not a citizen of

00:13:17.540 the UK. But she lived in UK for high school. But she currently lives in Brooklyn. So I mean,

00:13:24.500 it sort of seems like she's having some kind of an identity crisis. What do you think, Cosman?

00:13:29.380 Yeah, but she's also a student activist from the pieces I've read of her time at Yale and at 0.60

00:13:35.300 university, she was pretty much pushing for these issues at the student level. And it's, it's, you know,

00:13:42.660 we're talking about Mark Carney, I think Mark Carney is attempting to portray himself as a conservative.

00:13:48.180 And that's why he won't touch this issue. And on the other hand, it's also the rabid nature of

00:13:54.740 transgender activists who would totally skewer him if he went in any other direction than the one they

00:14:03.140 approve of. And I doubt, yeah. Yeah, well, I was gonna say, including presumably his own daughter,

00:14:08.740 because she does seem to be quite an activist, like some of the other positions that she advocated

00:14:13.300 for in these essays that she wrote, like the abolition of prisons, like all prisons, basically,

00:14:18.580 all criminals should be allowed out on the street. Obviously, this was in the context of like,

00:14:22.500 the Black Lives Matter, like, defund the police, but she went even further, right? Most people were 0.98

00:14:26.900 just saying, most, most radical leftists were just saying defund the police, but she was saying,

00:14:30.660 and abolish all prisons. And like you said earlier, she advocates for children receiving

00:14:35.860 these life altering pharmaceutical drugs and surgeries. You can continue, Cosme.

00:14:40.500 Yeah. And it's, you know, important to ask these questions. This is our prime minister,

00:14:45.300 and nobody else is doing it. The legacy media refuses to ask him any tough questions or

00:14:50.740 try to get his views about anything other than what he wants to talk about. And Mark Carney has been

00:14:56.820 totally silent on this in terms of trying getting responses to us. We've repeatedly tried to reach out

00:15:02.820 to Mark Carney to offer him an opportunity to explain himself and to tell Canadians where he

00:15:09.460 stands on these issues. And he has refused every attempt. He's thrown out our reporters. He's thrown

00:15:14.740 out other independent media reporters. But this is our job. This is the job of journalists to look into

00:15:22.340 the most powerful person in this country.

00:15:24.500 Well, and particularly his daughter. And also of note, the story that we're talking about did happen

00:15:29.940 when she was a teenager. She was 13 to 17 when she was in the UK. And that is when she went to the

00:15:35.220 Tavistock clinic. But she's now an adult. She's a 24 year old. She lives in Brooklyn. She's a public

00:15:40.820 figure because she writes prolifically, including about personal details of her own life. So, you know,

00:15:45.300 we're not pulling anything that's not already published in the public domain already. Now, Alex,

00:15:51.540 you reached out to Sasha Carney. Did she reply to you?

00:15:54.580 No, she did not. And she's also removing some of her other socials as well. So I think she's trying to,

00:16:00.500 you know, evade public scrutiny, as is her right.

00:16:04.180 Yeah, I mean, she's a she's a private citizen. But her father is the prime minister of this country.

00:16:08.980 And I think that it's completely fair game to ask him what his positions are,

00:16:13.780 given what happened with his own daughter. And interestingly, as well, you know, this is this

00:16:21.380 is sort of an interesting thing. She she says, like in every every time she's profiled, every time she's

00:16:25.780 interviewed, she says that she goes by they them pronouns. But yet she's still referred to as Mark

00:16:32.020 Carney's daughter. So maybe maybe this is like my own ignorance. I don't quite understand.

00:16:37.540 Like, she considers herself non binary, but she still considers herself to be Mark Carney's daughter.

00:16:43.940 Alex, can you explain that to me?

00:16:47.140 No, actually, I can't. I was thinking about that last night as well. I don't know if gender neutral

00:16:51.860 folks go by daughter or son, right? I mean, what would you describe them as, as a child? I don't know,

00:16:58.900 frankly. Sorry.

00:17:00.260 Yeah, I don't know either. Cosman, do you know?

00:17:03.860 Well, I would assume the neutral term would be Mark Carney's child. But that's also like

00:17:09.220 infantilizes it a little bit. But yeah, it's and there's not a lot of clarity. I think there is a

00:17:15.460 lot of confusion that comes across in her own writing, right? This need to meet society's standards,

00:17:23.780 the standards that I guess the transgender community has set for themselves.

00:17:28.900 There is this expectation to go become medicalized and do the full thing, have a full cross gender

00:17:38.100 operation. I think most transgender people sets like set that bar and look at themselves and consider

00:17:46.340 whether they're going that direction. But from her own writing, it's a lot about, well, you know,

00:17:50.740 am I trans enough? Am I meeting these expectations? But it just goes to show how

00:17:55.620 how agenda driven and almost this like sort of like cult like status the transgender community has 0.97

00:18:04.340 imposed on the people who have fallen into it. Yeah, it's so strange, because when I was reading

00:18:10.900 about her as well, I noticed the demand for they them pronouns. But then anytime I read about her like

00:18:16.020 the CBC, she won some poetry prize back in 2019, or she was nominated for one. And there's an article

00:18:21.380 about her in the CBC, and they refer to her as they, which as a reader, I just get confused,

00:18:28.180 like I don't understand how a single person can be they. I know that they insist on, she insists on

00:18:33.700 using they them, but it doesn't make sense from a written perspective, which is why I noticed in our

00:18:38.420 piece at Juno News, we still refer to her as he she because it's, she was born a woman. And I think

00:18:44.660 she is still a woman just a confused one. Sadly, what a sad story. I can't help but feel bad for

00:18:51.700 this young woman and feel a little bit of like anger and frustration at her parents for allowing

00:18:57.460 this to happen to her. Well, Cosmin, Alex, thanks so much for joining us. I really appreciate you

00:19:03.380 highlighting this you spending the weekend obviously researching and putting this information out. So

00:19:08.100 thanks so much for all your work. Thank you, Candice. All right, folks, head on over to

00:19:13.620 junonews.com. You can see the full article. And I encourage you to subscribe to Juno as well and help

00:19:19.780 support independent journalists like Cosmin and Alex and all the work that they do at True North.

00:19:25.460 I'm Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news

00:19:28.740 updates. We'll talk about Mark Carney and his trip to Europe, his new cabinet, him abolishing or at least

00:19:33.780 saying he's getting rid of the carbon taxes and much, much more. So we'll be back tomorrow with all the

00:19:37.460 news. Thank you and God bless.

The Candice Malcolm Show - March 17, 2025

BREAKING： Mark Carney sent daughter to discredited U.K. Tavistock Transgender Clinic

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