The Candice Malcolm Show - Canada’s healthcare system is broken. Vaccine Mandates make this problem worse.

00:00:00.240 Canada's failing government-run healthcare is on life support, and heavy-handed vaccine mandates are about to make the problem a whole lot worse.

00:00:07.620 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:14.640 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the podcast.

00:00:18.200 So you're probably paying close attention to the rollout of these vaccine mandates and wondering what it's going to do to our healthcare system.

00:00:26.020 We know that throughout the pandemic, we have heard countless news stories about the number of cases and stories of individuals who have not been able to get the right treatment that they needed,

00:00:36.340 about surgeries that have been cancelled, about people who have ended up dying because they don't get the care that they need.

00:00:42.600 So these are the sort of unintended consequences or the second and third order impacts of COVID-19 and the pandemic.

00:00:50.360 And like I said in the intro, things are about to get worse because of more government meddling.

00:00:55.120 Government meddling in the first place is part of the problem in our healthcare system.

00:00:58.980 We don't have the resources that we need.

00:01:00.980 We don't have the right allocation of scarce resources because our entire system is government-planned and centrally planned.

00:01:08.280 And here we have more government interventions making the problem worse, forcing people who would otherwise be happy to deliver services,

00:01:16.020 people who are trained as doctors and nurses or healthcare professionals who will not be able to go to work because of a mandate that is being enforced by the government.

00:01:26.520 We're going to get to all of that today.

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00:02:01.500 Vaccine mandates are causing a huge problem in Canada, a huge problem specifically in Canada's hospitals.

00:02:07.540 So I'm going to read a little bit first from Tristan Hopper over in the National Post.

00:02:11.020 He's a great writer and he has such an amusing way of putting things.

00:02:14.600 So he says this,

00:02:15.980 Remember all those healthcare workers we banged pots for and spent months proclaiming as heroes.

00:02:21.520 Thousands of them are about to get fired.

00:02:23.800 Under new federal vaccine mandates that Routers has called one of the strictest vaccine mandates in the world,

00:02:29.520 any healthcare worker who refuses a COVID shot faces dismissal with no options to substitute regular testing or even opt out on account of prior COVID-19 recovery.

00:02:40.920 So here we are, Canada taking the infamous title of one of the strictest vaccine mandates in the world.

00:02:47.320 While implementing a heavy-handed strict mandate like this, strict measures are clearly going to have consequences.

00:02:53.640 And one of the consequences is that a lot of people in the healthcare profession, a lot of people who are experts,

00:02:59.000 a lot of people who understand the science, understand the pros and cons of taking the vaccine,

00:03:05.280 have chosen for themselves that they don't want to do it.

00:03:07.920 Upwards of 20%, roughly 20% of some healthcare professionals are not vaccinated.

00:03:13.480 For instance, out in British Columbia, the Nurses Union says that roughly 20% of nurses are not vaccinated for COVID-19,

00:03:20.620 which of course means that we could be losing a whole bunch of our workforce,

00:03:25.480 a whole bunch of the people who are there to help people when they are sick because of these heavy-handed mandates.

00:03:31.620 So the first consequence that we're seeing is that emergency rooms are already shutting their doors

00:03:36.500 because they don't have enough staff, they don't have enough resources to stay open.

00:03:40.760 Here is a story from TNC.news.

00:03:43.800 Three BC emergency rooms shutter their doors, locals told to drive an hour away.

00:03:48.800 So three BC emergency departments have closed due to staffing issues

00:03:52.820 and local residents in need of medical care are being told to look elsewhere.

00:03:57.140 According to the Vancouver Sun, Interior Health Hospitals in Ashcroft, Clearwater, and Elkford

00:04:02.340 have either closed fully or partially due to what health authorities are causing unforeseen limited staffing availability.

00:04:10.240 Interior Health has not provided details on what has caused the staffing shortages

00:04:14.540 or whether it's pandemic-related.

00:04:16.460 The BC Nurses Union, however, publicly voiced its opposition to BC's order to mandate vaccines

00:04:22.320 for those working in the health care sector.

00:04:24.940 You may remember this story over in the Globe and Mail.

00:04:27.300 It came out about a month ago.

00:04:28.940 BC nurses in turmoil as province pushes mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations for health care workers.

00:04:35.160 I'll just quickly read a bit from this story.

00:04:37.620 Over in the Globe and Mail came out on September 21st, 2021.

00:04:41.020 One of British Columbia's largest health unions embroiled in an internal dispute over its opposition

00:04:46.380 to mandatory COVID-19 vaccinations in the health care sector is facing a leadership crisis.

00:04:52.140 Just days after the BC Nurses Union, with 48,000 members, came out against the province's

00:04:57.540 mandatory vaccine order, the union announced an abrupt departure of its top official.

00:05:02.520 So there is political turmoil over at the BC Nurses Union, but again, they oppose the vaccine

00:05:08.480 mandates.

00:05:09.260 So here it says, we cannot support any order which will serve to remove even a single nurse

00:05:14.760 or other health care worker from the health care system at a time of severe crisis, said

00:05:19.360 the union in a September 13th, 2021 statement.

00:05:22.820 According to the union, roughly 20% of nurses are not vaccinated for COVID-19.

00:05:26.720 By the end of September, over 100 health care workers were removed from their positions

00:05:30.780 because they refused to get their shots.

00:05:32.840 Vaccination will be mandatory for all workers by October 26th.

00:05:37.740 Those who refuse to comply will be put on unpaid leave.

00:05:41.960 And so it's not just British Columbia.

00:05:43.820 This is a story from the National Post.

00:05:45.560 Perfect storm.

00:05:46.960 Ontario health sector braces for worse staff shortages as vaccine mandates come due.

00:05:53.080 So here we learned that hundreds of Ontario workers in hospitals and long-term care could

00:05:57.600 be out of a job in the coming weeks because they did not get vaccinated against COVID-19,

00:06:02.420 further complicating what advocates call a perfect storm of staff shortages.

00:06:06.720 Ontario has not followed Quebec's lead in mandating immunization for all health care

00:06:10.940 workers, but many hospitals have implemented their own hardline policies.

00:06:14.620 Deadlines for workers to show proof of their shots or face unpaid leave or termination are

00:06:19.920 now looming.

00:06:20.540 For instance, just in the Waterloo, Wellington region alone, there are over 250 individual hospital

00:06:26.340 staff who are on leave due to unwillingness to get vaccinated.

00:06:31.520 And this is, again, happening all over the country.

00:06:33.740 This is reported over at tnc.news on vaccinated Quebec nurses to have their license suspended

00:06:39.300 amid staffing shortage.

00:06:41.920 Amid a nursing shortage in Quebec, thousands of nurses in the province could be suspended

00:06:45.960 without pay if they refuse to get a COVID-19 vaccine.

00:06:49.280 Roughly 15,000 health care workers could be suspended without pay beginning on October 15th,

00:06:54.580 2021, according to the health minister.

00:06:56.520 Additionally, the Quebec order of nurses has said it will be suspending nursing licenses

00:07:01.340 of any nurse who is not fully vaccinated beginning this Friday.

00:07:06.520 So, of course, that was the big news of the story that we were heading towards this deadline

00:07:09.620 that Quebec had set for its health care workers to be vaccinated.

00:07:13.960 But we learned this week that Quebec will push that deadline back one month until November

00:07:18.900 15th.

00:07:19.760 So, Quebec pushes back vaccine deadline to November 15th for health care workers, despite

00:07:24.640 repeated claims that the October 15th deadline would not be pushed back.

00:07:28.780 We learned on Wednesday, Quebec Health Minister Christian Dubé announced he is giving health

00:07:33.700 care workers 30 more days to get two vaccine doses, admitting that losing thousands of workers

00:07:39.600 due to vaccine mandate will cause Quebec to run into a wall.

00:07:42.860 The minister said workers in the health care network will now have until November 15th to get

00:07:47.460 their two shots to avoid being suspended.

00:07:50.640 And so, of course, the CBC being the CBC is completely disappointed by this idea that

00:07:56.480 the Quebec government is giving people one more month to try to encourage them to get vaccinated.

00:08:02.160 And so this was the headline that they ran over in the CBC.

00:08:05.020 It says, by blinking first on vaccine deadline, Quebec may have given unvaccinated health care

00:08:09.620 workers the upper hand.

00:08:11.240 So, of course, the CBC doing what they do, which is dividing Canadians and pitting us against

00:08:16.480 each other.

00:08:17.040 Here they have divided the vaccinated against the people trying to encourage people to get

00:08:21.440 vaccinated.

00:08:22.480 And we're told in this sort of gloomy headline that the unvaccinated have got the upper hand.

00:08:28.520 And here they, let me just read the first couple of paragraphs here because it's pretty

00:08:32.280 funny.

00:08:32.940 It says, thousands of unvaccinated health care workers have been given an extra 30 days to

00:08:36.440 get vaccine doses that have been available to them for months.

00:08:40.160 So right off the bat, the first sentence, we are told that these people have already had

00:08:44.200 the opportunity to get vaccine for months.

00:08:46.640 The vaccine has been available for months.

00:08:48.420 They still haven't gotten it.

00:08:49.340 And for some reason, Quebec is giving them another 30 days.

00:08:52.280 Wednesday's compromise on a vaccine mandate is raising concerns.

00:08:55.740 The Quebec government has all but squandered its leverage when it comes to pushing holdouts

00:09:00.660 in the health care system to get their shots.

00:09:03.780 Weak, weak, weak, said Nathan Freeland, an emergency room nurse at the Lakeshore General Hospital

00:09:09.420 in Montreal's West Island.

00:09:11.580 The way I see it, you have a bunch of health care professionals acting unprofessionally

00:09:15.540 and they've tested the resolve of a politician and they got their answer.

00:09:20.340 So the CBC doesn't exactly hide their opinion.

00:09:24.700 They are obviously very, very pro-vaccine mandate.

00:09:27.820 And they are telling the side of people who are angry at the Quebec government for not being

00:09:31.680 more totalitarian and aggressive in their push to force people to get vaccines even against

00:09:38.000 their will.

00:09:38.960 So nice going over there.

00:09:41.160 And just as an amusing aside, as True North broke during the election campaign, the CBC

00:09:45.580 itself does not require vaccines.

00:09:48.040 It does not have a mandatory vaccination policy in its offices, in its studios.

00:09:52.700 They do not require their own staff to get vaccinated.

00:09:55.700 And yet they love to push these stories about how terrible it is when provincial governments

00:10:00.840 don't force vaccine mandates on their workers.

00:10:05.060 They had lots and lots of stories about how outrageous it was that the Conservative Party

00:10:08.800 of Canada and Aaron O'Toole did not force candidates to get vaccinated.

00:10:13.820 So they love to push this idea that everyone else should force people to get vaccinated.

00:10:18.280 And then, of course, when it comes to their own office and their own company and the way

00:10:22.040 they run their business, they do not require it.

00:10:25.080 So just a little bit of hypocrisy over at the CBC.

00:10:29.560 And, of course, the problem, of course, with this idea of like a one-size-fits-all approach

00:10:35.260 that everyone must get vaccinated, everyone must have the exact same recourse in dealing

00:10:40.100 with a very sort of complex medical issue that we should all have the exact same opinion,

00:10:44.300 that we should all have the exact same treatment.

00:10:46.120 Of course, that is problematic on so many levels.

00:10:49.300 Everybody is different.

00:10:50.240 Everybody has a different sort of equation and calculation that they look at when they're

00:10:55.080 determining whether or not to get vaccinated.

00:10:57.280 I mentioned on the show the other day that I decided to get vaccinated myself, but I am

00:11:01.940 not on the side of vaccine mandates.

00:11:03.720 I think that for me and my family, it made sense.

00:11:06.600 I did research for me personally, again, and I think that everyone out there is entitled to

00:11:11.200 their own opinion.

00:11:12.340 But for me, when it came to the threat of either COVID, getting COVID-19, which I haven't

00:11:18.160 had yet, the idea of getting it and some of the potential negative consequences that come

00:11:24.460 from COVID, not just having it and the threat of dying from it, but potentially long-term

00:11:29.000 threats.

00:11:29.860 And you weigh that against the possibility of something going sideways, something going

00:11:33.660 wrong with the vaccine, which does seem to happen in a very small number, but still

00:11:38.120 a very, very small number.

00:11:39.320 I weighed the two and decided that I would rather take my chances with the vaccine.

00:11:44.720 I also wanted the ability to protect people around me.

00:11:47.840 Like I said, my elderly parents who are also vaccinated, I want to be able to see them.

00:11:52.360 I have two little kids and obviously they can't get vaccinated.

00:11:55.160 So I want to try to protect myself to protect them.

00:11:58.340 And then also just in terms of my ability to travel.

00:12:01.460 I like to go.

00:12:02.780 My family lives out in Vancouver.

00:12:04.400 I like to be able to jump on a plane and visit them without worrying too much about getting

00:12:09.340 sick on a plane.

00:12:10.300 And I do like to travel.

00:12:11.380 My family likes to travel.

00:12:12.440 So for us, it just made sense to get vaccinated.

00:12:15.700 However, the idea that we are going to force everybody in society to make the exact same

00:12:20.580 decisions for themselves, you know, obviously their equation might be different.

00:12:25.080 If you've had a negative reaction to a vaccine in the past, or if you'd prefer to have a different

00:12:29.460 kind of proactive treatment, if you've had COVID in the past from recovery, you had the antibodies,

00:12:33.420 or if you're not too worried about COVID, if you, if you think that you would rather get

00:12:38.060 COVID and deal with that than deal with the potential side effects of a vaccine, that's

00:12:43.180 totally fine.

00:12:43.820 And that's totally within your right in a free society to make those kinds of decisions.

00:12:47.940 And so the more that we're creeping towards this idea that we all have to have the same

00:12:51.560 opinion, that's obviously a huge problem.

00:12:53.880 And on top of that, you have a second layer, which is that do you really trust a big bureaucratic

00:12:59.760 and competent government to manage the system, to have another layer of documentation to

00:13:05.640 determine whether or not you can go to a restaurant based on what vaccine you've had, given all

00:13:10.420 of the conflicting information that we've had over time.

00:13:13.480 You know, we're now in a situation where some people have had mixed doses, right?

00:13:16.900 If you took your first dose of AstraZeneca, and then they paused that and said, if you had

00:13:20.620 AstraZeneca, go ahead and go get one of the other doses.

00:13:24.160 And now some jurisdictions don't recognize you as being fully vaccinated.

00:13:27.240 If you've had two different vaccinations, even though you were following public health

00:13:30.820 advice at the time, where, you know, we're dealing with something that we don't really

00:13:35.080 understand that's constantly changing.

00:13:36.760 And somehow we're supposed to, again, trust the government to oversee this whole system.

00:13:41.780 And that doesn't even get into the privacy concerns.

00:13:45.140 And so there's just obviously so many reasons why conservatives oppose vaccine mandates.

00:13:50.200 And again, these are just a few of them.

00:13:51.680 There are many, many more that haven't even gotten to.

00:13:53.420 And so this decision to implement the vaccine mandate in hospitals to say that if you don't

00:13:58.260 have the vaccine, that you are going to lose your job, that you're going to get fired,

00:14:02.100 you're going to put on unpaid leave, punishing you until you change your mind or what, go find

00:14:07.420 another job.

00:14:08.260 This just makes the problem so much worse because we already have huge shortages in Canada's

00:14:13.420 healthcare system.

00:14:14.120 We have a government run system, a terrible way to allocate scarce resources and scarce goods.

00:14:20.340 There are no other options in most cases.

00:14:23.840 You go to the hospital.

00:14:24.940 If that hospital is really busy and overrun, it's not like you can just choose to go to

00:14:28.900 another hospital.

00:14:29.620 You have another option.

00:14:30.720 Usually you just have to wait.

00:14:32.200 And this idea that we are making our scare system artificially even more scarce by firing

00:14:37.200 people who have the skills and the capacity needed to help, but because they don't conform

00:14:42.620 ideologically, you are going to make them sit at home.

00:14:46.120 Again, makes this problem in our healthcare system so much worse.

00:14:49.340 So this is just the worst time to implement a vaccine mandate because COVID-19's deadly

00:14:53.860 effect on hospitals will get even worse.

00:14:56.540 And this is in terms of delays, in terms of postponed surgeries and so on.

00:15:00.820 So this was a story from July, 2021.

00:15:03.780 More than 2,000 patients in Canada died while waiting for medical care in 2020.

00:15:08.320 According to a report, at least 2,367 patients across Canada died on a waiting list for medical

00:15:14.440 care in 2020.

00:15:15.320 According to a report, the results were obtained by a think tank called Second Street, which

00:15:21.100 used responses from public data and freedom of information requests submitted to provincial

00:15:25.520 health departments and hospitals.

00:15:27.380 It counted patients who died while waiting for surgery, diagnostic scans, and appointment

00:15:31.440 with specialists.

00:15:32.780 And, you know, this is, of course, this is incredibly tragic, but we've been hearing

00:15:35.760 these kinds of stories throughout the pandemic in Canada.

00:15:37.900 So back in March 2021, there was a story over in CTV that said this, nearly 354,000 surgeries,

00:15:44.960 procedures, consultations were postponed due to COVID-19, according to a report.

00:15:49.940 So these figures were released by that same group, SecondStreet, secondstreet.org, which

00:15:54.140 drew its information from freedom of information requests submitted in June 2020 to health departments

00:16:00.360 across Canada, as well as Ontario.

00:16:03.060 So that all just happened in the first few months of the pandemic.

00:16:05.740 It's so wild to imagine how much COVID has just slowed our healthcare system to a halt.

00:16:11.140 And in terms of any other illness aside from COVID, it is a secondary concern.

00:16:15.220 And because so many of the scarce resources were devoted towards helping COVID patients,

00:16:19.440 other people were not.

00:16:21.140 Here is another story from October 2021.

00:16:23.680 One, doctor warns that 200 surgeries a day are being cancelled in Saskatchewan alone.

00:16:28.860 Saskatchewan has been forced to cancel 200 surgeries a day as it tries to combat the rising

00:16:34.100 numbers of cases, according to Dr. Hassan Masri, an intensive care specialist who works at

00:16:39.640 Royal University Hospital and St. Paul's Hospital in Saskatoon.

00:16:43.720 He expects the cancellations will continue, as will the ramifications on people's health.

00:16:49.100 So we clearly have a problem when it comes to socialized medicine in Canada.

00:16:53.140 And instead of taking a pause, trying to determine how we can make our healthcare system better,

00:16:58.100 how we can improve perhaps the design, the structure, how we can make it work better for

00:17:02.240 everyone, instead of that, we are in a situation, we're criticizing healthcare and talking about

00:17:07.180 the need to restructure it.

00:17:08.420 It just doesn't happen, as we saw in the last federal election.

00:17:10.960 As soon as Aaron O'Toole even mentioned the idea of having more private delivery, private

00:17:16.000 care, he was completely demonized, and the Liberals ran an attack machine backed by the

00:17:21.120 Liberal media, backed by the legacy media, backed by the CBC, which made Aaron O'Toole

00:17:25.900 just completely stop in his tracks and stop talking about it.

00:17:28.960 So we can't have a real conversation about the issue in Canada.

00:17:32.580 And rather than try to at least improve the system that we have, we have this harsh, heavy-handed,

00:17:37.780 ideologically driven mandate that will just make the system so much worse.

00:17:42.080 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

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The Candice Malcolm Show - October 14, 2021

Canada’s healthcare system is broken. Vaccine Mandates make this problem worse.

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