Carney Caught LYING again!?
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Candace Malan and Ezra Levant discuss the latest in the liberal leadership debate, and why you should trust independent media in this country. They also talk about the latest polls and whether or not you can trust them, and how the polls are contradicting one another.
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Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in.
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We've got a great show for you today. We're going to talk about Donald Trump, whether or not we're
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going to get tariffs on March 4th, as promised. We're going to talk about the latest polls and
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whether you can believe them, whether you can trust them, and how the polls are contradicting
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one another. We're going to talk about the need for independent media in this country. I think
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that the liberal leadership debates, those questions, the way they were framed, everything
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about them showed us why you cannot trust the media and why you need independent media in this
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country. But first, I want to talk about the front runner of the liberal race, Mark Carney,
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because it appears that he has been caught in yet another lie. So last week on the show,
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we pointed out the very obvious. This is something that liberal candidates have done for decades,
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for decades, say one thing in one language to one side of the country, and then contradict themselves
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when they're in Quebec speaking in French. So we had Mark Carney out in British Columbia telling
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supporters that he would do anything in his power to get pipelines built, to get the economy going.
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He said that he would even use emergency powers to get pipelines built. And then two or three days
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later, he's on the French CBC. He's asked about this, asked whether he would force Quebec to have a
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pipeline. And he said, never. He repeated it four times, folks. Never, never, never. He completely
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contradicted himself. And he lied. We pointed that out here on the Candace Malcolm show. Well,
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it looks like he has been caught in yet another lie. And we are going to walk you through all of it.
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But first, I'd like to introduce our guests today. I'm very pleased to be joined by Ezra Levant.
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Ezra is founder of Rebel News, host of the Ezra Levant show. He's authored several books,
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including the best-selling Ethical Oil, as well as the Libranos. And I'm very excited to announce
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with Ezra that he has released a new book called The Deal of the Century, The America First Plan
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for Canada's Oil Sands. We're going to talk about that book a little later in the show. But first,
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Ezra, thank you so much for joining the program. My pleasure. And congratulations on Juno News.
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Thank you so much. Thank you, Ezra. Okay, let's talk about Mark Carney, because this sort of came out
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after the debate. And I saw that the conservatives were making a big deal about it. And at first,
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I didn't quite understand it. And as soon as I did, I realized that this is a big deal. This is,
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this is, I think, very harmful to Mark Carney and his brand. So allow me to walk us through it.
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Mark Carney, after the liberal debate on Tuesday night, he was asked by a reporter to clarify his
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role in Brookfield management. So we're going to show this clip of Mark Carney says, I want to correct
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a few factual things. He says, I was chair of Brookfield Asset Management. I ceased to be the
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chair on the 15th of January, when I announced my leadership. And then he said the formal decision
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of the board happened after I ceased. So Brookfield Asset Management, a big Canadian company,
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moved their headquarters from Toronto to New York City. Carney claims that he had nothing to do with
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it. So here's that clarification on Tuesday night.
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So two things. I'll just correct a few factual things. One, I was chair of Brookfield Asset
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Management. I ceased to be chair on the 15th, I think, of January, when I announced for leadership,
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the decision, the formal decision of the board happened after I ceased to be on the board.
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I do not have a connection with Bloomberg Asset, or Brookfield Asset Management. No longer have a role,
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obviously, as I resigned in the middle of January. So he's using a bit of weasel words there. He looked
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a little bit uncomfortable. He was scrambling a little bit, Ezra. And then all of a sudden,
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the Conservatives produced a letter that was signed by Mark Carney and dated December 1st, 2024,
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almost a full week after Trump's economic threats and several weeks before he resigned. So Michael
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Barrett produced this letter, a Conservative MP. And you can see here he says,
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breaking Carney lied. Carney was chair of Brookfield's board when they unanimously voted to move
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headquarters from Canada to New York, Trump's hometown. Mark Carney can't be trusted. And then
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he produced the letter itself, the letter in question. And you can see the highlighted bits
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here. This is Mark Carney has signed this letter. He said, we believe that there is more we can do
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to broaden our shareholder base and gain access to the deepest pools of capital. The most common
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feedback that we hear from investors encourages us to position Brookfield Asset Management for
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inclusion in some of the most widely followed global large cap stop indices, including in the
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United States. He goes on, the board based on, among other things, recommends unanimously,
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basically to go ahead and to move the company to New York. We have a timeline here. October 31st,
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Brookfield announced that it was moving. November 5th, we know Donald Trump was elected. November 25th
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was the first time that Trump made his 25% tariff threat. December 1st was when that letter was
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written by Carney to his shareholders, unanimously, saying unanimously the board agrees and confirms that
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we should move to New York. The shareholder vote took place on December 20th. But Ezra,
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it wasn't finalized until January 27th, we're told because of the Canada Post strike. So it was
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delayed. Carney technically resigned on January 16th. And then January 27th was when it was finalized.
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And so I guess that's how he gets out of it. But this all coming out and him, you know, that display
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that he had on Tuesday where he was fumbling with his words, not quite able to even explain clearly
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why. I think he's guilty. I think that he has lied. And it is incredibly damaging, not just the lie,
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Ezra, but the actual act of moving a Canadian company to Trump's New York City, while we're told
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that Carney is the only one that can deal with Donald Trump and stand up to him. What do you make
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of all this? Well, the reason Donald Trump applies tariffs is precisely to get companies to move to the
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states if they want to do business in the states. Think about it. He's saying to the auto sector,
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I'll put tariffs on you because I want to move the factories back to Michigan. So that is Trump's
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whole strategy. He's, I mean, he likes the money from tariffs, but he prefers to have the companies
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reshoring in America. And that is exactly what Mark Carney did. And what's so incredible is he did it
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right during the time when Trump was talking about this. I don't want to take anything away from the
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conservative MP who released this letter, but it was not a secret letter. Brookfield has to publish
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letters like this frequently if there's any material changes to the company in their management
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discussions. Like this is filed with the SEC constantly. They're a big public company that has
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to disclose things like this. And so moving their headquarters to New York was something that we're
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talking, it was in the media, it was in disclosures months ago. What's sort of funny here, I don't know
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funny is the word, but what's curious is that Mark Carney is not used to being grilled in a precise and
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meticulous way. He's used to sort of sliding or eliding through things. And so I heard when you played the
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clip from after the debate the other night, he said, well, the formal decision didn't come after I was
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gone. Yeah, that's probably a technical truth. That's sort of like Bill Clinton arguing about what
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the meaning of the word is, is whatever trickery. But it is crystal clear that Mark Carney headed up
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the move process for months. I don't doubt that the final X marks the spot on the New York lease
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happened after he was gone. But he was the chairman who oversaw that. Now you say this is critical and
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very important. And I would agree in two reasons. First of all, he handed over a major Canadian
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company to America that shows that he puts money ahead of his patriotism. And by the way, he hasn't
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answered a lot of questions. Where did he live over the last few years? Why does he have not one,
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but three passports? I know why he got the British passport, because after being the head of the Bank
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of Canada, he became the head of the Bank of England. But why does he still have it? Where is his main
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residence? How many days in 2024 did he actually live in Canada? Why is his wife still working in New York
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City? Why isn't like, I'm not picking on her. I'm just very curious. It feels like when Michael
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Ignatieff said, well, I'll only come back to Canada, if I can rule over you. But it also shows
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one more thing. He's not used to scrutiny. He's used to the World Economic Forum. That's where I last
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bumped into him on the streets of the WEF at Davos. And he's used to scripted questions from friends
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in a low stress environment. And he's not really ready for the accountability of a democratic process.
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And this coronation that the liberals are running, it's not a true primary. It's not a true leadership
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contest. It's an agree-a-thon. I mean, they were actually helping each other. They were finishing
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each other's sentences in these debates. And Mark Carney has made the bet, sort of like Joe Biden did in
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both 2020 and the first half of 2024, that if he just does not allow himself to be grilled by
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independent journalists, if he just keeps a really low-key, under-control management of himself,
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he will escape any scrutiny. And you say, you're suggesting he won't, because you're saying this is
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a very serious moment. I agree it's a serious moment. But, you know, the saying, if a tree falls in the forest
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and no one's around it here doesn't make any sound. So if this lie, if this handing over of a Canadian
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company to America, and the subsequent lies and covers up by Mark Carney, if it's not covered by the
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mainstream media, or if they cover it, if they explain it away, and make their headlines, conservatives
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pounce, which a lot of, then maybe he'll sneak through, like Joe Biden won in 2020 with no scrutiny.
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He basically campaigned from his basement. I am worried that the regime media has the same kind
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of exuberance they had once Kamala Harris took over in 2024. And they're going to do anything they can
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to pull their boy across the finish line. The question is, is independent media in Canada strong
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enough to get the truth out? Because the regime media, and I don't just mean the CBC, every other
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private sector journalist that gets about a third of their salary covered by Trudeau's newspaper bailout,
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this is life or death for them too. Every journalist in Canada has a moral hazard. They're in a conflict
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of interest. Trudeau pays at least a third of their salary. In the CBC, it's 100% of their salary.
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That is why you are going to see the greatest whitewash of Mark Carney in Canadian history.
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Well, absolutely. I want to pick up on a few things, because one of the things you mentioned was the fact
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that Mark Carney has three passports. We dove into this on a recent show, and he became governor of the
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Bank of Canada, I'm trying to remember, I think it was 2014. But reports say that he didn't get his British
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citizenship until 2019, Ezra. So it's not like it was a requirement for the job, right? He moved to the UK,
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he qualified for it somehow, and then he got it, which tells me that he did it by choice.
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He is also a citizen of Ireland. And in the past, both with Andrew Scheer, who was the conservative
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leader in the 2019 election, it was learned that he was born with American citizenship because his
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mom was an American, and also Tom Mulcair, who is a French citizen. And both those two individuals
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promised to renounce their second citizenship if they became prime minister. Andrew Scheer put the
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paperwork in to get the wheels in motion. Thomas Mulcair said that he would renounce his French
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citizen if he became prime minister. For best I can tell, Mark Carney hasn't spoken on the record
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at all. He hasn't made any pledge. And we're lined up to have him become prime minister in, what, less
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than 10 days, Ezra, when he will be selected by the liberal leadership base. He won't then go into
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a general election. He will become prime minister that day, which to me, it's concerning that he hasn't
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even been on record, which again, goes to underline your point about the need for the independent
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media. I want to show you this clip, Ezra, because I want to get your reaction to it. So the CBC
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is already out there spinning and trying to cover for Mark Carney. First of all, I'll give them some
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credit for even covering this. I was surprised to see Ian Hanna-Mansing out there saying, did Mark
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Carney lie? Even just using that sentence, I think was a bit of an improvement. But then they went to the
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CBC's David Cochran, who's bending himself into a pretzel here defending Mark Carney. I don't think
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this is a very good explanation. I don't even think that the CBC viewers will buy it. But let's
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play that clip and I'll get you to react to it. The official re-registration of the corporate
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headquarters from Toronto to the United States happened in October of last year, before Donald
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Trump was re-elected, before Chrystia Freeland had resigned, before any of the big seismic political
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events had happened. Now, the reason for this, it's not necessarily corporate flight from Canada and a
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reflection of the Canadian economy, is that Brookfield Assets Management, as part of its
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growth strategy, it's a subsidiary of the larger Brookfield Corporation, which is a major company
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here in Canada. It needs to be headquartered in New York to get access to shareholders in the
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United States, or it needs to be headquartered in the United States, and they get access to stock
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indexes. And ultimately, it wants to be on the Standard & Poor's 500. You have to be registered in
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the U.S. to do that, whether Donald Trump is president, whether Kamala Harris or Joe Biden had won the
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last election. It sounds like he's reading a Liberal Party press release there, just explaining the
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corporate speak and why they have to be. Well, if that's the case, then why would any company be
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headquartered in Canada? They would all want to have access to those American markets. To me,
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that was a terrible explanation. Pathetic that a CBC journalist was doing it, but we've come to
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expect that. But the explanation in and of itself, I don't think it will convince the CBC audience that
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this is okay. Well, I don't even know what the CBC audience is anymore. I mean, I'll forever
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remember David Cochran as the guy who, with the cameras rolling, took a gift from Justin Trudeau
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of a free poutine, and he started to eat it. And Trudeau said, basically, I'm bribing you.
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And David Cochran went through with it. I mean, he was taking – it's an amazing video clip from an
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early election campaign. It was just in the moment, David Cochran knows who his boss is.
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It's Justin Trudeau. There are an enormous number of Canadian companies listed on the U.S. Stock
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Exchange that raise enormous amounts of investment on the U.S. Stock Exchanges, New York Stock Exchange,
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NASDAQ, et cetera, who have their headquarters in Canada. In fact, the biggest Canadian companies
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have huge investments from U.S. institutional investors like pension funds, like the oil
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sands companies, for example. Synovus. I'm just picking a company out of the blue. I think it's
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actually majority owned by American shareholders. It is based in Calgary. So David Cochran is either
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corrupt, like maybe he's taking another poutine gift, or he's stupid, or maybe it's neither of those
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things. Maybe he's quite clever, and he realizes that he needs to get Mark Carney across the finish line
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to protect the CBC from Pierre Polyev. What I am worried about is this simulation
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of criticism, this simulation of journalistic critique might fool some people that he's
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being vetted. We don't know the most basic things about Mark Carney. We don't know what he owns,
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what he earned, who he lobbied for, who were his different clients. When I bumped into the World
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Economic Forum a year ago, he said he was working for the United Nations. I asked him, I said,
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who are you here on behalf of? And he said, the UN. Okay, well, what were his duties there? Has he
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resigned from those duties? What lobbying did he do? We have not had a vetting. We have not had a
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background check. We have not had even basic biographical information about this guy. Where's his
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primary residence? I mean, we don't know anything about him other than what his official CV says,
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and even that is being scrubbed. He's even denying that he was on the board of the World Economic
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Forum. And the reason that's important is because I want to know who his bosses are. And if he had
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bosses for 10 years at the UN and for 10 years at the World Economic Forum, just because he has,
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quote, severed ties, doesn't mean those are not relevant facts for us to know. We know less about
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Mark Carney than we've known about any Canadian Prime Minister. He's going to be Prime Minister in less
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than two weeks. We know less about him than any other Canadian Prime Minister in history. We barely know
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that he's Canadian. And other than the fact that he was born here, I don't even know if that's really
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who he is. We know nothing about him. And I think that suits the regime media just fine.
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Well, it's so interesting, Ezra, because a few days before they disqualified Ruby Dalla,
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you had a liberal former chief of staff to a cabinet minister, Steve O'Brien, say on a panel that she
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hopes that the Liberal Party will find a legitimate reason to disqualify Ruby Dalla, because if Ruby Dalla
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is allowed to compete on the stage during the debates, it will turn it into a circus. Look,
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I think that Ruby Dalla is a bit of an outsider. She has contrarian opinions, especially for the
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Liberal establishment. To your point, the entire debate was nothing but everyone agreeing with
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each other. I had David Knight-Lag on the show last night, and he just kept calling it like a
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faculty club meeting. And that's kind of what it was like. It was like they were just throwing out
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big sky ideas, weren't taking any accountability. I mean, the focus of the debate was Trump, Trump,
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Trump. They didn't mention anything about crime during those debates. They didn't talk about bail
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reform. They didn't talk about immigration. They didn't talk about fentanyl. You know,
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the main issues that are causing Donald Trump to make these tariff threats were not addressed
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in the debate. They didn't talk about the foreign gangs that are running drug cartels and drug
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operations in our small towns across Canada. They didn't mention anything about the Chinese election
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interference. Ezra, to me, I mean, the moderator was a former CBC national anchor, Hannah Thibodeau.
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And it seemed like they just didn't want to talk about anything controversial, to your point,
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that this whole thing is supposed to be a coronation. They know that in order for their
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bread to be buttered, in order to keep getting money from the government, they need a liberal
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government. And that's why they're not holding anyone accountable. They're not raising the important
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issues that Canadians demand to know about, not even mentioning the biographical information.
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So Ezra, I want to say we have a petition that we are launching. We want independent media to be part
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of the upcoming election. We demand equal access and we want our voices to be heard. We want to get as
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many Canadians to sign this petition so we can present it to the various parties, present it to
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anyone necessary. Look, there was just a petition to revoke Elon Musk's citizenship. I just checked it
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right before the show, Ezra. There's over 300,000 signatures on that of people who want to revoke
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Elon Musk's citizenship, which is absurd. We can talk about that too. But I want to get that many
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or more to sign this petition. Head on over to my website, CandiceMalcolm.com, sign the petition and
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tell the powers that be that we want independent media, not just for me, but I want Ezra to be there
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too. I want a rebel journalist. I want Kian Bexty there. I want the independent voices. Heck,
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I don't even mind if they open it up to left-wing independent voices as well. Sure,
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like Rachel Gilmore and Paul Wells and other people in there as well. But it's so important
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that we hear more perspectives than just what the CBC wants to present. So please help us out.
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Go sign that petition. Ezra, like, I mean, what can we do at this point to stop the coronation of Mark
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Carney? Well, nothing because it's an internal process in the Liberal Party. We don't, getting back
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to Ruby Dalla, we don't even know who was on the secretive panel that kicked her out. We don't
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know what the rationale was. When I talked to Ruby last Saturday, she raised the issue of the World
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Economic Forum and the fact that both Chrystia Freeland and Mark Carney were on the board. I was
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sort of surprised that Ruby Dalla raised that issue. You can imagine how that would have been like a skunk
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at a picnic had she asked those questions in the debate. And, you know, I saw reports that Mark
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Carney had very high-level meetings in China recently. Of course those were not plumbed. In
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the first French-language debate, they talked a little bit about Hamas. They shut up and didn't
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mention it again in the second debate. They didn't talk about foreign affairs other than their hatred of
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Donald Trump. I think they kept out Ruby Dalla because she would have been a dissident and a
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disruptor. And from the reports I've seen, she was actually doing well in terms of signing people up
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and getting donations. Perhaps she was attracting Sikh voters. I don't know. I think that the Liberals
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are undemocratic, and we know that. And they're going to install and select our new Prime Minister.
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That is terrifying. It's undemocratic. And I'm afraid, I don't think they're going to get away
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with it. I think the Conservatives are still going to win the next election. But there will be an
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interim period where you have a leader of the Liberal Party who is installed as Prime Minister
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without a single election vote being cast for him. Indeed, the Liberal Party rules, as I think you
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know, Candace, allows people as young as 14 years old to vote and allows foreign nationals who
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are not yet citizens. They have to be permanent residents. So you can have 14-year-old children
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who aren't even Canadian citizens installing a Prime Minister that the rest of us don't know
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anything about and haven't been asked for. And of course, he's going to do a deal with Jagmeet Singh.
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Jagmeet Singh is the most compliant and submissive politician I've ever seen in my life. Of course,
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he'll be bribed. And I believe that we're going to have Mark Carney as Prime Minister until at least
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October. And they might declare some emergency. He's talked about declaring an emergency over Trump.
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Not so much of an emergency that he didn't hand over his own massive companies in New York City.
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But I think that we are seeing the irony is all these Canadian Trump derangement syndrome folks
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talk about Trump being an undemocratic dictator. Trump just won an election, including the popular vote,
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and including all battleground states. He's acting with his constitutional purview. You cannot say
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any of those things about how the Liberal Party is conducting itself from dissolving Parliament to
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installing an unknown person as Prime Minister, to delaying the vote, to allowing foreigners and
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children voting. Who is actually the tyrannical and authoritarian and undemocratic government
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of the two of us? Well, I think that answers itself. And, you know, Trump did it with all of
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the institutions and powers that be working against him, whereas Trudeau and the Liberals have all of
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the powers and all of the institutions working for them. Now, it's interesting, Ezra, that you said
00:24:02.300
that you still think that the Conservatives are going to win. I have to jump to this latest Ipsos poll
00:24:06.640
that came out yesterday. Liberals take the lead for the first time since 2021, after nearly four years
00:24:12.740
of dominance in the polls, Conservative dominance polls, the Liberal Party has taken a two-point lead,
00:24:18.260
overturning a 26-point deficit in just six weeks. I've never seen anything like this in my entire
00:24:24.040
life of watching politics. So here we have it from Ipsos, a very credible pollster, showing the Liberals
00:24:30.300
up at 38% and the Conservatives down at 36%. It seems to me, Ezra, that Donald Trump gets a good chuckle
00:24:38.780
out of jeering with Prime Minister Trudeau. He likes calling him Governor Trudeau. He likes the
00:24:44.220
51st state comment. But every time he makes that comment, the Liberals go up in the polls. It makes
00:24:49.580
Canadians crazy. It turns us into, you know, our anti-American impulse comes up. Look, I just want
00:24:54.720
to show this chart from 338 Canada showing the change. Just look at what has happened in 2025,
00:25:03.360
the right-hand side of your screen. The blue dots are all of the Conservatives' leads in different
00:25:08.320
polls. And the Liberals, a very clear trend. Conservatives trending down, the Liberals
00:25:13.800
trending up. Whether or not the Liberals are actually ahead, we had another poll from Abacus
00:25:19.040
Data, another very fair, very reputable pollster coming out today, which showed what it's always
00:25:26.480
showed, which is the Conservatives do maintain that hefty lead, 41% for the Conservatives. The Liberals
00:25:32.240
are definitely inching up with 29, but it's still nowhere close. These contradictions, Ezra,
00:25:37.760
they have a lot of us scratching our heads. Like, is this manufactured? Is the media just
00:25:42.360
trying to pump up these numbers to make it seem like Mark Carty has a chance? Or is there a
00:25:47.400
legitimate shift that's happened in this country?
00:25:49.980
First of all, Justin Trudeau had become the most hated politician in Canada. In fact, in some polls,
00:25:55.660
in many polls, you know, they say, do you like him or like him a lot? Do you dislike him or dislike
00:26:00.820
him a lot? People didn't just dislike Trudeau, they hated him. And, and I saw some polls to put
00:26:07.760
his likability on by certain demographic groups, as though it was 16%. If you were a single young
00:26:14.100
man in the prairies, like you, like 11% supported Trudeau, the man was hated. My point for saying
00:26:21.040
this is if you remove that odious, hateable guy, and run a fence post, of course, the Liberals are
00:26:28.220
going to do better, just because they're not running the most hated man in Canada. So, so
00:26:32.400
removing Trudeau gets rid of a lot of the toxicity. Mark Carney looks good. He looks like a bit of a
00:26:38.320
funeral parlor director, I think. But he looks prime ministerial. He, he talks well enough, people can
00:26:45.240
visualize him as PM. He's not twitchy and weird, like Christia Freeland. And he's having a bit of a
00:26:54.160
honeymoon. The media is certainly egging that on. And so it's, it's to be expected that this gap will
00:27:01.320
narrow. And as you correctly point out, they're wrapping themselves in the Captain Canada flag
00:27:06.040
again, which is funny, because a couple years ago, they were sending riot horses out against anyone
00:27:10.400
with a Canadian flag who was singing, Oh, Canada. I admire David Coletto, the pollster, I used to know
00:27:16.860
him personally. And I know that his company tilts liberal. So if they say something positive about the
00:27:23.740
conservatives, it's not in their nature to do so, because if anything, they're going to be a little
00:27:27.760
bit liberal. I trust his methodology. And, and I, my own instinct is the gap is narrowed, but it has
00:27:34.860
not closed. But you can see, I mean, Anita Anand has decided to unretire and to run again. I think
00:27:42.940
some liberals who were desolate and dejected with the Trudeau campaign are now thinking, well, maybe they
00:27:51.140
have a chance. And of course they have a chance. And of course there's, you know, conservative
00:27:56.500
Canadians should not be complacent. But I do think that Canada has had it with the liberals. I just
00:28:01.560
really think the pendulum is, I mean, they didn't talk about the things that Canadians are concerned
00:28:07.600
about. And if they did, it was sort of like OJ Simpson saying, I'm going to find the real killers.
00:28:12.540
When you've got Christy Freeland saying, I'm going to find out who caused this deficit and who caused
00:28:18.760
housing prices to be so high. And when I find her, I'm going to give her a piece of my mind. Yes,
00:28:24.040
sister, it was you. And I'm not sure how easy it's going to be for the liberals to shuck off
00:28:29.080
nine and a half years of atrocious government. People can't afford homes, inflation, the plunging
00:28:36.160
Canadian dollar. That's why we can't travel to the States and everything is so expensive. You've got
00:28:41.220
millions of migrants who should not be here economically, culturally. The country is in a mess.
00:28:47.280
And I don't think that Mark Carney is quite the star he set out to be. I don't think he's a great
00:28:55.160
retail politician. Mark my words, he will agree to only a single debate in each language. He does not
00:29:01.380
want to debate against Pierre Pauliev. We've seen the two of them tangle before when Carney appeared in
00:29:06.360
Parliamentary Committee and Pauliev grilled him. Mark Carney is good at being a VVIP. He's good at
00:29:12.900
working in those CEO circles and getting lobbying deals done and getting grants from the Canadian
00:29:18.160
government. And we haven't found the full depth of how he enriched himself and his different companies
00:29:25.000
and clients from the Canadian government because the regime media is not inquisitive. So we have a lot
00:29:31.400
of journalism to do that falls to independent journalists because you're certainly not going
00:29:36.100
to see it from regime journalists. Absolutely. Well, if you look into some of the sort of issues
00:29:42.600
that were touched on during the poll, I want to go back to the David Plato poll because when asked what
00:29:49.600
the top issue facing Canadians, the cost of living, the rising cost of living is still far and away the
00:29:55.540
number one concern. The second one has now become Donald Trump and his administration, followed by
00:30:01.040
health care, housing affordability, the economy, and immigration. I will note that immigration is now a top six
00:30:07.500
issue more important than so many of the other issues that the Liberals promote, including climate change, the
00:30:12.740
environment. So immigration really has become something that Canadians want change on, Ezra. And then when it's when
00:30:20.280
it goes to people were asked what the best party to handle these situations, you could see the in the blue,
00:30:26.660
Conservatives cost of living majority of Canadians or the plurality of Canadians still say that the
00:30:30.820
Conservatives are best handled to best situated to handle that. And then the economy. I mean, look at
00:30:36.260
this 45% say the Conservatives, only 23% say the Libs. The only issue that the Liberals are really leading
00:30:43.520
on is dealing with President Trump and climate change, which is no longer very important to Canadians. So, Ezra,
00:30:50.700
this is why I think the scandal on multiple levels hurts Mark Carney, because first of all,
00:30:55.600
Liberals and Canadians trust, they say they trust the Liberals most to handle and to deal with and
00:31:02.180
negotiate with President Trump. Well, I think that this undermines it, knowing that their leader and
00:31:07.780
the next Prime Minister chose in his private life to move his company and recommend that. And then he
00:31:13.140
kind of lied about it. That raises big concerns. I think it undermines their entire credibility on this
00:31:18.680
issue. And then to the second point, which is that we don't know very much about Mark Carney. We don't know
00:31:23.540
very much about his record. But we do know that he's willing to lie about it or willing to twist
00:31:27.600
the truth and weasel words and use technicalities to confuse the issue, which to me, any good
00:31:33.740
journalist, any journalist worth their salt in this country would start digging into that, would start
00:31:38.240
looking into it, would say, you know, what else is here that Mr. Carney is not telling us about?
00:31:44.120
Yeah. You know what? I'm just looking at the David Coletto poll right now. What's interesting
00:31:48.900
is how the Jagmeet Singh numbers have collapsed. They were just last month at 19 and 18%. Now they're
00:31:59.320
down to 14%. And there was a dynamic that happened way back in 2015, for those who remember, where in
00:32:06.520
the final weeks of the campaign, there was an anybody but conservatives movement where people in
00:32:12.920
different districts said, well, what's the best chance of blocking Stephen Harper from being reelected?
00:32:17.420
Is it the liberals in this district or is it the NDP? And in the last two weeks, things really
00:32:22.520
consolidated behind Trudeau. And that may happen. Jagmeet Singh is so weak and so pointless and so
00:32:30.960
ineffective that when the chips are down, I think maybe liberals are going to rally around their new
00:32:37.240
guy, Mark Carney. At least that's another story in the poll. So yes, the gap is narrowing. The
00:32:43.500
conservative vote is still strong. 41%. I'm going from the Coletto poll here. That's still a majority
00:32:50.060
government. It's that you see a little bit of consolidation on the left-hand side. I wonder
00:32:56.220
how it will go in Quebec. Mark Carney's French is better than mine, but it's not particularly strong.
00:33:03.160
We haven't yet seen the federal conservatives engage fully. I see some ads. They're running some ads,
00:33:09.080
but we have, I think they're still figuring out their best way to handle things. I was at the rally
00:33:14.420
in Ottawa where they have a real Canada first approach. They're trying to avoid being tagged
00:33:19.560
as Trumpists. You'll notice that Pierre Polyev has not spoken to Trump. He hasn't not gone down
00:33:26.400
to Mar-a-Lago to meet with Trump, but that's diplomatically appropriate. You wouldn't have the
00:33:30.640
leader of the opposition necessarily doing that, although Nigel Farage in the UK has.
00:33:34.820
I think that's Pierre Polyev making a decision not to be lumped in with Trump because you know
00:33:40.980
the liberals would love that. I mean, that's how they're running things right now.
00:33:45.620
There was a hysteria in the liberal debate. I mean, there's Chrystia Freeland calling
00:33:50.160
Trump a predator and saying she wants an alternative to NATO where she teams up with the nuclear powers
00:33:56.100
of the UK and France or something. And another one of the candidates was talking about working
00:34:02.600
with Mexico to surround America. And then Frank Bayless, who's best known for getting a massive
00:34:08.980
Canadian government contract as an ex-MP, he said he wants to actually undo border security between
00:34:16.440
our own countries. These people are crazy, but yeah, they're absolutely tapping into that dark side
00:34:23.280
of being Canadians, which is anti-Americanism. And I look at some of the major regime newspapers
00:34:29.260
and they've gone nuts also. You have the Globe and Mail demanding that Wayne Gretzky apologize
00:34:35.740
for being friends with Trump. You have General Andrew Coyne of the Globe and Mail. Just I've never
00:34:41.220
seen anyone with Trump derangement like him before. There is a madness amongst the official people of
00:34:46.200
this country about Trump and what's so obviously a joke. Hey, Candace, did you see the video where
00:34:53.700
Marco Rubio explained where the whole 51st state thing came from? Did you see that?
00:34:59.000
I did. Yeah. And you know what? Peter Doocy of Fox News had made the same explanation. And when it came
00:35:04.100
out, I was so surprised, Ezra. I mean, you can walk us through it, but that the media didn't pick up on
00:35:09.740
this, that it was Trudeau had given it all away and given his adversary, you know, the best line of
00:35:15.300
attack against Canada. It was unbelievable. Yeah. I mean, Trump said, why should we continue to have a
00:35:21.840
$200 billion trade surplus with you? Well, if Trudeau had ever in his life read a briefing note,
00:35:27.180
he would have said, because Mr. President, you're buying that much oil from us. If you didn't buy
00:35:32.920
it from us, you'd buy it from OPEC or even Russia. And you're going to have a trade surplus in oil until
00:35:37.820
American domestic production grows. So that's why. But Trudeau doesn't know that. He's too stupid.
00:35:44.960
He doesn't read his briefing notes. So instead of giving an answer to Trump, he said, well, if we didn't
00:35:50.480
have this trade imbalance that would mark the end of Canada. And like, it was Trudeau who expressed
00:35:57.100
that existential threat. It was Trudeau who said that would end us as a state. And Marco Rubio says,
00:36:04.560
to which Trump necessarily said, well, you should become the 51st state. It was Trudeau. That's my
00:36:09.720
point, Candace. It was Justin's stupid Trudeau who, when pressed about the trade surplus, didn't know
00:36:17.520
anything. So he said, well, this would mark the end of our independent country. He's the guy who
00:36:22.880
showed his breaking point to Trump. He gave Trump the weapon to be used against him. And Trump is
00:36:30.040
using it, obviously, as a joke. Very early on, Trump said, of course, he's not going to invade.
00:36:36.020
But these liberals are LARPing. They, you know what? If only we had a military,
00:36:43.580
if only we had a national identity after 10 years of Trudeau denuding it. You can't take down
00:36:50.620
statues of John A. MacDonald. You can't strip them off the $10 bill. You can't rewrite the lyrics of
00:36:56.620
the anthem. You can't take the photos of Canadian history out of our passport. You can't say we have
00:37:02.140
no core identity. You can't accuse us all of being racist, sexist, transphobic genociders. You can't say
00:37:09.800
that the genocide is continuing and it's understandable that the churches are burning.
00:37:15.520
You can't say that for 10 years and then suddenly say, I'm Captain Canada defending our country.
00:37:21.700
That's why there was, speaking of polls, there was a full poll two weeks ago that showed over 40% of
00:37:27.240
young men want to join America because the alternative is Trudeau's crappy socialist post-national
00:37:34.480
state. And you're a young man who wants a prosperous future. Donald Trump is offering
00:37:39.800
you dollar for dollar American bucks instead of Canadian bucks and the military. It's a little
00:37:44.880
more inspiring than what Trudeau has been talking down our country for 10 years. And suddenly Trudeau
00:37:50.620
and Carney have discovered patriotism. I don't buy it.
00:37:53.560
Well, it's amazing that they're getting away with it and that the media is amplifying it and
00:37:56.880
that Canadians are going along with it, or at least a subset, at least that maybe that core swing
00:38:01.180
voter in suburban Toronto. Those seem to be the ones that could potentially be going over to the
00:38:07.160
Liberals. Ezra, and I completely agree with your sentiment there. It's so hypocritical. I want to get
00:38:11.700
to the news though about President Trump. He's sowing some confusion over what will happen with these
00:38:17.580
tariffs. So on, when was this? The 26th. So yesterday, Donald Trump, President Trump was speaking
00:38:25.400
to reporters at a cabinet meeting. And he said that the 25% tariffs will be imposed on Canada,
00:38:32.660
Mexico on April 2nd. So previously we had heard it was going to be March. Well, originally it was
00:38:37.460
supposed to be February. Then it was going to be March. Now it's being bumped to April. So let's play
00:38:42.020
that clip. April 2nd. I was going to do it on April 1st, but I'm a little bit superstitious. I made it
00:38:47.360
April 2nd. The tariffs go on. Not all of them, but a lot of them. And I think you're going to see something
00:38:53.460
that's going to be amazing. But then Secretary of Commerce, Howard Lutnik, also suggested that
00:39:00.480
the original March 4th deadline for fentanyl and border-related tariffs still holds, but the pause
00:39:06.740
could be in the sort of broader economic tariffs that Trump has suggested, and that there's still
00:39:12.280
time for Canada to satisfy Trump's efforts. Let's play that clip. Fentanyl-related is a pause. If they
00:39:19.920
can prove to the president, they've done an excellent job. That's what they first do in 30
00:39:25.140
days. But then the overall is April 2nd. So the big transaction is April 2nd, but the fentanyl-related
00:39:32.240
things, they're working hard on the border. At the end of that 30 days, they have to prove to the
00:39:36.900
president that they've satisfied him to that regard. If they have, they'll give them a pause,
00:39:42.560
or he won't. So you had a little bit of confusion there, Ezra. And I want to tie this in to your new
00:39:51.960
book, your forthcoming book, which I'm very excited to read, because you have sort of been a prolific
00:39:56.260
writer when it comes to Trump and Trudeau. Your 2017 book, Trumping Trudeau, How Donald Trump
00:40:01.620
Will Change Canada, even if Justin Trudeau doesn't know it yet. It was a fantastic read, a lot of insight.
00:40:07.500
And I think you've proven to be correct in many of the suggestions that you made in that book.
00:40:10.940
Your new book coming out, I don't know if it's out already or if it's coming out, but it's called
00:40:14.560
The Deal of the Century, The America First Plan for Canada's Oil Sands. And I saw that you had
00:40:21.120
an op-ed in the Wall Street Journal on the same topic, How Trump's Tariffs Helped Trudeau and
00:40:27.040
Canada's Liberals, which sort of goes to some of the themes that we've been talking about today.
00:40:30.960
So why don't you tell us a little bit about the book, when it's available, where folks can get it,
00:40:36.300
and then you can comment on the latest tariff negotiation, whether or not they're going to happen.
00:40:40.940
Thanks. The book's for sale right now on Amazon. It's called Deal of the Century. And I don't know
00:40:46.560
if you remember, but about a dozen years ago, I wrote a book called Ethical Oil, The Case for
00:40:51.200
Canada's Oil Sands. And that book, it might sound funny coming from me because I'm right-wing,
00:40:56.160
but I wrote that book with left-wing arguments. I was trying to convince environmentalists and
00:41:02.440
peaceniks that ethical oil was better than conflict oil, based on environmental responsibility,
00:41:07.720
peace, the treatment of workers and civil rights. I argued that the oil sands were the fair trade
00:41:13.600
coffee of the world's oil industry. So that was a left-wing argument, and it actually sort of worked.
00:41:18.840
But what's an argument that might convince Donald Trump to lay off Canada a bit, especially our
00:41:24.780
number one export, which is the oil sands oil? Well, you're not going to probably win with those
00:41:29.640
liberal arguments. So what's the America first? That's Trump's ideology. That's his philosophy.
00:41:36.020
What would an America first approach be to the oil sands? Well, you wouldn't push it away. You
00:41:40.840
wouldn't tariff it because unlike a factory, which can move into America, you can't move the oil sands
00:41:48.300
into America. So one of the reasons Trump likes tariffs is he says, if you want to sell into America,
00:41:54.220
you better build your company and your factory in America. Well, you can't move the oil sands.
00:41:58.520
So it's not going to work. The tariff is just going to be paid by U.S. refineries.
00:42:03.900
So it'll be straight passed on to American consumers. So it doesn't really make sense
00:42:08.520
economically. And China has already always been snooping around the oil sands a bit. It bought
00:42:15.400
Nexen a decade ago. It would love to get that strategic asset. And I think Trump just likes to
00:42:23.480
yank Trudeau's chain. Trouble is, he's shooting at Trudeau. He's hitting the rest of us.
00:42:28.280
So I say, all right, the America first approach. Think like a businessman. Think like a real estate
00:42:34.900
tycoon. Think of a dealmaker. Look at Trump talking about Greenland and Panama and even Gaza. He's
00:42:41.440
thinking like a real estate man, isn't he? So I propose in this book, I call it the deal of the
00:42:46.500
century. There's 170 billion barrels of oil in the oil sands. Even if the oil sands were to double
00:42:54.780
production, like double it, as Danielle Smith says she wants to do, that would be enough oil
00:43:00.600
to totally replace all foreign imports into the United States for 50 years. And what's the price
00:43:10.300
on that? 50 years, 170 billion barrels, 75 bucks a barrel. That's a $13 trillion deal. And all of a
00:43:21.980
sudden, America doesn't have to have military bases near the Persian Gulf. The U.S. spends about $50
00:43:27.620
billion every year just securing the Persian Gulf sea lanes. Why are you doing that? Why not just buy
00:43:33.400
oil from Canada? The companies in the oil sands are either American companies like Imperial Oil,
00:43:39.300
or they're owned by American shareholders. Why not get all your oil from Canada? $13 trillion deal. And
00:43:46.280
by the way, what would Trump demand in return for $13 trillion worth of oil? He'd say, you got to
00:43:51.860
strengthen your military now. You can't make excuses for not having the money. We just like, I think that
00:43:57.320
the Trumpy deal is to pull Canada close, not to push it away. And I have one more idea in the book,
00:44:03.240
and it's sort of a funny secret, but I'll tell you, Candace, I think if Trump wants to zing Trudeau,
00:44:10.360
if he wants to get back at Trudeau, because Trudeau is always beaking off about Trump,
00:44:14.380
how would you do that in a way that doesn't hurt Canada? Well, what did Donald Trump just do to the
00:44:20.660
international criminal court that threatened to arrest Benjamin Netanyahu and do all sorts of other
00:44:26.020
crazy things? He put sanctions on members of that rogue court. What would happen, hear me out,
00:44:34.640
if Donald Trump would say, hey, Justin Trudeau, I've been reading a lot of your deep thoughts,
00:44:38.540
and you say that you have presided over a government that is in the current present tense
00:44:45.360
committing a genocide over your First Nations. You have confessed it. You have said there's a
00:44:53.080
genocide ongoing, Canada, and you are presiding over it. We are putting you on a sanctions list.
00:44:59.960
You're not allowed to come to the United States anymore. We're going to freeze your assets down
00:45:03.880
here. And you're telling me that wouldn't bother Trudeau endlessly. Trudeau loves going down to New York.
00:45:12.440
It's sort of what happens in New York, stays in New York. He's down there all the time. He goes on
00:45:16.760
there and talks shows. He parties, because most people don't know who he is down there. Trump should
00:45:22.220
get even with Trudeau by banning him from America and seizing his bank accounts down there. Don't take
00:45:28.560
it out on the rest of us with tariffs. So I have that sort of fun, controversial part of the book,
00:45:33.980
too. Anyhow, the book's doing well. You saw that op-ed in the Wall Street Journal. I was sort of
00:45:38.960
surprised to be in such a prestigious publication. Well, congratulations.
00:45:43.120
I'm good. Thanks. I'm going to try my best to get this book into the hands of the America First
00:45:47.320
crew. Let me say one quick thing. You mentioned Howard Lutnick. He's Trump's commerce secretary.
00:45:52.560
Do you know a little bit about Howard Lutnick? I think he's the most interesting guy,
00:45:56.600
maybe other than Elon Musk, in the whole cabinet. Do you know his story? Do you know who he is at all?
00:46:03.300
He's the CEO of a huge investment firm called Cantor Fitzgerald. And they became famous in a
00:46:12.580
terrible way. They had the top floors of the World Trade Center. And so on 9-11, when the jets came in
00:46:19.280
and hit underneath Cantor Fitzgerald, every single person up there died. Now, Howard Lutnick was late
00:46:26.820
for work that day because he was taking his child to kindergarten for the first day. But his brother
00:46:32.000
was in the top of the tower. His brother died that day, as did hundreds of his staff. It was the most
00:46:38.460
devastating thing. And he built back up and he got raised $180 million for the families of the
00:46:46.320
deceased. And he came back. But he was a huge victim of terrorism, including the loss of his own
00:46:52.160
brother. And he's had other tragedies in his life that are almost as shocking as that. And he's come
00:46:57.760
back. He's a huge optimist. He's a huge entrepreneurial capitalist. He's got a larger
00:47:04.380
than life personality, sort of like Trump. The two of them get along like peas in a pod.
00:47:10.180
And Lutnick, I think he's got Trump's enthusiasm, but he's maybe 5% less effusive. So it was Lutnick
00:47:18.900
who said to the Senate in January, on these tariffs of Canada, we're just trying to get them
00:47:25.780
to do action on the border part. It's not actually to punish them. So I think listen to Lutnick and
00:47:32.140
you'll probably see where Trump is going. I don't think Howard Lutnick wants these tariffs. He just
00:47:38.080
wants Canada to strengthen the border. And he's using the tariffs as sort of a tool. Now, the Canadian
00:47:43.100
side wants the fight. That's my argument in my book, is that Trudeau and Carney actually want
00:47:48.900
this battle with America so they can play hero. By the way, Lutnick is brilliant on companies
00:47:56.020
getting tax loopholes overseas. I won't go into that now, but I think he's really... Elon Musk and
00:48:02.720
Howard Lutnick, I think, are the two most interesting men in this cabinet. Well, I shouldn't say that.
00:48:06.700
There's Robert F. Kennedy Jr. as well. It's sort of an amazing dream team. Anyhow, so Lutnick would make
00:48:12.540
me believe that these tariffs on Canada are just to get us to fix our border. So if Lutnick and Trump
00:48:18.580
can be convinced that the border is fixed, the tariffs won't come. Well, we've seen that so far
00:48:23.840
because all it took was Trudeau announcing some measures, taking Daniel Smith's idea and appointing
00:48:28.860
a fentanyl czar. And just like that, they agreed to it. You raised so many interesting points, and I
00:48:35.480
really urge the audience to go pick up a copy of your book, Ezra. But just one thing, finally, when he was
00:48:41.200
dealing with the Colombians, remember that they had two airplanes full of Colombian illegals that
00:48:46.040
they were trying to send home, the Colombian government said, no, we're not allowing these
00:48:49.060
planes to land. And what did Trump do? Apparently from like the third hole of a golf course, he got
00:48:54.280
on his phone and basically said, you know, not only will you face all these tariffs that will be
00:49:00.020
devastating your economy, but the regime, the president himself and his cabinet, all of their
00:49:05.560
family members will no longer be able to be in the United States, will revoke all of their visas.
00:49:09.740
And, you know, to the point you made earlier in the show, Ezra, we don't know where Mark Carney
00:49:14.360
lives. Apparently his wife lives in New York City. He's about to be the next prime minister. So maybe
00:49:19.080
Trump could apply that not just to Trudeau, but to the entire liberal cabinet, because I think a lot
00:49:24.140
of those people spend a lot of time in the U.S. They love going to the U.S. They love spending time
00:49:28.080
there. And yet, you know, on the debate stage at the liberal debate, they told Canadians not to go to
00:49:32.720
Florida, not to go visit relatives in the U.S. or shop at American stores, even though basically our entire
00:49:38.400
country is filled with nothing but American stores and products. So a lot of hypocrisy and
00:49:44.300
contradictions. I'll leave the last word to you, Ezra.
00:49:47.740
You know, I think we're lucky that Donald Trump is very, very busy. If he's not trying to solve the
00:49:54.780
war in Russia, Ukraine, he's trying to solve Middle East peace with Abraham Accords, part two.
00:50:00.060
He's dealing with China. He's dealing with the fires in L.A. He's getting his candidates
00:50:04.500
through the Senate confirmation. He's a tiny bit busy, this Doge thing, managing Elon Musk.
00:50:11.280
So we're lucky in that Donald Trump doesn't have that much time to follow our navel gazing,
00:50:18.420
to follow our Trump derangement syndrome, because I think he would be appalled by how a country that
00:50:24.720
calls itself America's best ally conducts itself. And I'm not even talking about our lack of
00:50:30.460
participation in NATO, our lack of a border security, the foreign policy of bringing in
00:50:37.320
unvetted Gazans. That's crazy. So we are lucky that Donald Trump doesn't know how badly behaved
00:50:44.880
our establishment is. I can hardly wait for Pierre Paldiev to win just to stop the madness. And Candace,
00:50:52.060
I do think he's going to win. Thanks for plugging my book. I think the target of the book is the
00:50:57.520
Americans. I want to convince them it is not in their interest to tariff Canada. But boy,
00:51:03.880
Chrystia Freeland and Mark Carney are sure working hard to get those tariffs on us.
00:51:08.560
I think you're right. I think it really benefits the liberals. The more Trump says 51st state,
00:51:12.520
the better they do. And they're going to keep hitting that point and trying to drum up that
00:51:16.680
trade war. Well, Ezra, it's always a pleasure to have you on the show. Thank you so much for joining
00:51:20.280
us. Everybody, please go check out Ezra's book, Deal of the Century. And we'll have to have you on
00:51:25.600
again soon. Thank you, Ezra. Thank you. All right, folks, it's all the time we have for
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today. Thank you so much for tuning in. We will be back again tomorrow with all the news. I'm
00:51:34.500
Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.