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Candice Malan explains why Pierre Pauly of the Tories is right about one of the most important issues facing our country right now: immigration. She talks about how the Trudeau Liberals have destroyed our immigration system and why we need to have severe limits on population growth.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in,
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folks. We have a great episode for you today. Now, I don't know if it's just me, maybe because
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I'm a journalist and I host this podcast and I run Juno News. It seems like everyone I talk to,
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every conversation, every time I go out for lunch with friends or meet up with someone,
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talk to someone, even catching up online, the issue comes forward that Canada is broken,
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that there is serious problems in our country. They're wide ranging. We discuss so many of the
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topics here on the show, but to me, it all comes back to immigration. Canada's immigration system
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has been destroyed. It has been decimated by the Trudeau liberals. And it seems to me that the
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Carney government is just continuing down the same path. They have no real plan to fix things.
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And so from my perspective, the thing that the Conservatives need to do is craft a strong
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message on immigration, craft a better message, put forth a better position to change, have more
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distance between them and the Liberals. And it's just so easy, right? All it takes is just say,
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let's go back to how things were before Justin Trudeau became prime minister and flung the doors
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wide open. Well, we didn't see enough on that front from Pierre Pauly of the Conservative leader
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during the recent federal election, but there have been some good signs, folks. There have been some
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positive signs that he is willing to take on this thorny issue, that he wants changes, that he sees
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the same problems that you and I see, that so many of the problems in our country come back to this
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broken immigration system. So I want to walk you through what has happened. So back in June, on June
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10th, Pierre Pauly of was asked specifically his take on Bill C2, that is the Mark Carney government's bill
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to crack down on fentanyl and drug smuggling. And there's a couple provisions in there to crack
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down on fake asylum seekers, people who come to the country, they stay, overstay their visa. And then
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rather than going home, rather than leaving the country when they should, they just throw up their
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hands and say, actually, I'm a refugee, they put an asylum claim. So Mark Carney is taking a few steps
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to address his very small area of our immigration law. Pierre Pauly of was asked about that policy
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about Bill C2. And I'm going to show you what he said, because it was actually quite good. I think
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that he took a step further than we'd heard him take during the federal election. And he basically
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said, look, Canada needs severe limits on our population growth. 100% we do. So let's play that
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clip. You support a stronger border. We want severe limits on population growth to reverse the damage
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the Liberals did to our system. The population has been growing out of control. Our borders have been
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left wide open. This has caused the free flow of drugs. So, so Pierre Pauly of does correctly
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diagnose the problem that with severe open borders, we've seen severe population growth, not intentional,
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not the native born population, growing the population as you should through, you know,
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people having children and growing the population naturally, but by importing people from all over
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the world, including people, frankly, who have no business being in Canada, people who are not
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enriching our country or making it better. And so what happened when Pierre Pauly of made that comment?
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Well, the legacy media, the Laurentian elites absolutely lost their minds, right? They flipped out.
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Here is the headline from Global News. Pauly of calls for severe limits on population growth.
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Everybody's favorite grumpy Laurentian elite, Andrew Coyne of the Globe and Mail and of the CBC
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writes this on X. He goes, he's panicking. This is awful.
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Okay, Andrew Coyne, can you tell me exactly what is awful about a conservative leader saying,
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hey, population growth is out of control because the Trudeau liberals have absolutely no controls
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on our immigration system. And so yeah, we need to get that out of control. I don't think Pierre
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Pauly is panicking. And no, I don't think it's awful. I think that he's actually finally hitting
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the nail on the head and talking about the real problem in the country and the source of that real
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problem. It wasn't just Andrew Coyne. Here we have David Gordon Cook, who is the head of the
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New Brunswick Media Co-op, a social justice reporter here, saying this is just pathetic race-baiting.
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It's race-baiting now to notice that our immigration system is broken. So just noticing that the Trudeau
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government took a fairly functioning immigration system where we let in about a quarter million
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people a year to flinging open the doors wide open, letting in somewhere between two and three
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million people a year, just noticing that apparently is pathetic race-baiting. Finally,
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we have the former liberal immigration minister, Justin Trudeau's immigration minister, one of the
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people who is actually at fault here. This is what he wrote on X. He says,
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Pauly is flailing after his call for severe limits on Canada's immigration. And yes, there is a clip that
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He doesn't know what he's talking about. Well, anybody who has eyes and has access to the internet
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has probably seen some of the videos that circulate online showing some of the cultural problems that
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happen from open mass immigration. And look, we can look up the numbers, right? We can check out
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Stats Canada. We can check out the immigration website to see that, yes, the liberal government
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has led in tremendous amounts of people from the developing world, and it is growing much,
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much faster than it had previously. We'll get to all those numbers in just a few minutes. But I
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wanted to, that's all leading us up to what happened this week. So after that comment from
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Pierre Polyev in Ottawa, he's been in Alberta, he's been at the Calgary Stampede, he's been campaigning
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in the by-election. Well, he was back in Ottawa, and I believe this is the first time he was in front
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of the Ottawa Press Gallery, having a press conference, since that initial event. And so
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you know that Ottawa journalists, they all hate conservatives, they all hate Pierre Polyev,
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and they're all just waiting for their turn to try to give a gotcha question, a gotcha moment.
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And so we had that yesterday. Paul Dutch from Global News made the comment saying, you know,
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you previously said that you wanted severe limits on population growth in Canada. Can you go ahead
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and clarify what you mean by that? And here is how Pierre Polyev responded.
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To fix the problem, we've got to have, we need to put very hard caps on immigration levels. We need
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more people leaving than coming for the next couple of years. And we need, so our country can actually
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catch up. Our immigration policy should invite the right people and the right numbers in a way that
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puts Canada and Canadians first. 100%. So Pierre Polyev has doubled down. He has ignored what the
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legacy media have said. He's ignored what the fancy people, what the Andrew Coyne types have said,
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all the pearl clutching, like, oh my goodness, you can't talk about immigration. How dare you even
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mention that we lower the population rather than constantly grow the population through immigration.
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And Pierre Polyev is doing the right thing. He's doubling down and saying, no, I didn't just misspeak
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last time when I had that press conference. I was being deliberate. This is a deliberate shift in
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policy for the Conservatives. They are saying enough is enough. We cannot have mass immigration when we're
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dealing with all of the problems that we are dealing with today. All right, folks, to help me dive into
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this a little deeper, I'm pleased to be joined by Wyatt Claypool. He is a political commentator,
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founder of the National Telegraph. Wyatt, welcome to the show. Thanks for joining us.
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Absolutely. Thanks for having me on. Well, we have some exciting news as well. Wyatt will be
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joining Juno News as a contributor, as a show host starting later this week. I believe you're
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filming your first episode with us at some point this week. So, Wyatt, we're very excited to have
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you joining the network. Yeah, it could be a lot of fun or it could be a complete disaster,
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but that's on you for making the decision. Right on. Okay, well, what do you make of Pierre Polyev
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and this apparent shift, I think, in the right direction, doubling down on his comments and saying,
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no, no, we do need to severely limit immigration in Canada. What do you think?
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Well, it's not just Pierre Polyev rejecting the sort of conventional wisdom of Andrew Coyne types and
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the rest of the legacy media and the political establishment. It's also him apparently rejecting
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the, I guess, the opinions of his advisors during the election because he ran on a cap of 200,000,
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250,000 new permanent residents to match the number of new houses being built per year,
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but that didn't even exactly limit new temporary foreign workers or foreign students. So this is a
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big shift and I think it's actually a very big win for the independent media and online commentators
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because I don't think you could find any conservative commentator or independent media outlet
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who liked the more mild reductions that he was pitching during the election. It was better than what the
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liberals were doing, so naturally it was still way more, you know, it was preferable. But this is genuinely
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probably what we were all asking for. People must leave if their visas are expired and who cares if the
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population goes down if people currently can't even afford homes.
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Well, it's kind of funny because during the election, there was sort of a lot of noises in
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the independent space about how Mark Wiseman, the head of the Century Initiative, had joined
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Mark Carney's campaign. And of course, the Century Initiative is this sort of like liberal think tank
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that they want to deliberately increase our country's population to 100 million by the end of
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the century, which is just so shockingly, it's such a shocking change, right? Like 100 million,
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it won't be Canada anymore, right? It will just be a hodgepodge of all these other people who have not
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assimilated into Canada, right? Like when I was growing up, Canada's population was 30 million,
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now it's 40 million, right? We've boosted that population by 10 million in the last, I don't know,
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15, 20 years. And is the country any better for it? I don't know. But I would argue the country is a
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lot worse than it was 15, 20 years ago. But the idea was that the media and the Liberal Party,
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they didn't want anything to do with that association. They distanced themselves from it. In fact,
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legacy media said that it was propagandistic and fake news to say that the Liberals wanted that
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100 million population. And yet when Pierre Polyev just says the exact opposite, that no, no, we need
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to decrease our population, again, pearl clutching. So it kind of proves the theory that no, they do
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want, like the goal here is to drastically increase Canada's population. They want that, I mean, maybe
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it won't be 100 million, but they want a bigger population. They want to artificially boost our
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population. And I just want to show viewers exactly what we're talking about, because the Fraser Institute
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earlier this summer had a report just outlining what we're talking about. So the headline was the
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average annual immigration was 617,000 on average from 2000 to 2015, compared to 1.4 million from 2016
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to 2024. So Justin Trudeau almost grew it by 3x. And let's just look at that breakdown. There's a graph
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showing the types of people that are coming. And so folks, the bottom blue line there is the number
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of permanent residents that come to Canada. So people who deliberately want to come move their
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families to Canada, settle here, become Canadian essentially, be on a pathway towards Canadian
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citizen. I think that generally speaking, those are the kinds of people that we want, people who
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want to come to Canada and, you know, be part of our future and be part of the Canadian community.
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And then the second color on top of that, the pink, are temporary or non-permanent
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immigration. Look, I would argue that that is, even under the Harper government, if we can just
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leave that graph back on, even under the Harper government, that number was still too high,
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right? 51% of the people coming to the country are just here for a few years and then they leave,
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or they're here as seasonal workers and they leave, or they're here for student visas. I mean,
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yeah, you could argue that you should probably have what, five or 10% student visas. People can
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come and study at our institutions if they're world-class physicists or mathematicians, or if
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they, again, want an opportunity to come to Canada. But I would even argue that that 50% number is too
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high. And you can see that it was going up. And then you can see the white line halfway through,
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that's 2015. And look at what has happened under the liberal government, the absolute proliferation
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population of temporary workers, up to 76% of the newcomers. You can see that that number's
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gone all the way up to, what, 2.1 million people per year coming into this country, Wyatt. I mean,
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I, like, to me, if you're going to let people in, like, let them in, right? Let them be part of the
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community. Let them integrate. Welcome to Canada. Become a Canadian citizen. Come all in. Learn the
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English or French, depending on where you're living, but become Canadian. But when you have this huge,
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giant class of people that are kind of in limbo, that don't really have a stake in the future,
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that don't really have any incentive to become Canadian. I mean, this is the problem in my books.
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And this is what Pierre Polyev needs to focus on, saying we need to stop this. What do you think?
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And the justification for this level of immigration is based off of a few lies. With the Temporary
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Foreign Worker Program, it's the idea that Canadians don't want to work these jobs that these workers
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are filling. Well, no business would hire these TFW immigrants in order to fill these jobs either,
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because they're subsidized workers. If the subsidy was not there, they would probably not be hiring
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them, which means that businesses are obviously not going to hire a Canadian, because the Canadian
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doesn't get $3.50 an hour, like, taken off of their wages in terms of, like, what the government's
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going to comp the business who's paying them. And when it comes to permanent residences and other
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immigrants, you have people say, well, we need immigration to be at this level, because,
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you know, the birth rate isn't very high. And so we need to make sure that we maintain our
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population so we can pay for our social programs. But you'll have studies come out of the UK showing
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that if you actually do pursue a policy of mass immigration, you actually push your birth rate
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down even further, because it turns out people don't really want to build a stable family in a
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country that doesn't feel stable. And so naturally, everything just keeps getting worse and worse.
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And so the justification ends up spurring on a new justification. And so you just keep going in
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circles with bringing in more people that causes your actual natural growth to slip further and
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further, which means that you need to bring in more people. And by the way, the people you're
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bringing in are also going to suffer from that same problem, because everything's unaffordable.
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It's not a very stable community to live in when you often have, like, you know, like a foreign
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ethnic conflicts happening in your city streets. You're not exactly going to want to, you know,
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Well, no, you have to be fundamentally optimistic for the future to choose to have a family and to
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have children. And you're right that when people don't, I mean, if people don't feel safe in their
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community, or frankly, if they don't recognize the community that they live in, like I talked to so
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many people to say, I don't feel like I'm living in Canada anymore. This isn't the Canada that I grew
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up in. It's not like you're going to run out and say, okay, let's go have a bunch of kids, right?
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Because you've lost faith in your own country. I want to go back to something you said a little
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earlier on there, Wyatt, which is that, you know, they tell us that the reason that we need all of
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these temporary foreign workers is because Canadians are just not willing to do these jobs. It reminded
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me of a post I saw on social media posted by Dean Tester, who is a conservative. He put this on
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X. He said, student unemployment in Ottawa is sitting around 20% with endless stories of young
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people handing out hundreds of resumes and getting nowhere. And yet there are hundreds of LMIA, which
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is labor market opinions, requests for food service, admin assistance, and landscapers. So you can see
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the math there, folks. Those are all of the people who put in applications, this is greater Ottawa,
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saying that there are no, so if you want to let in, if you want to, if you're a business and you want to
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have temporary foreign workers come at your business, you have to put out this, one of these labor market
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opinions. So you have to put out job applications, help wanted signs, and prove that there's no one
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in your area that are willing to do these jobs. This has become a scam. This has become a total
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workaround where they just put one of these things out. It's totally fake. It's not even what it says
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it's supposed to be. They say, no, no one wants a job. And so then they can turn around and hire a bunch
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of labor from the third world, pay them much less, have them work longer hours. And again, Dean pointing out
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that there is around 20% student unemployment. So how can you simultaneously tell me that there's
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hundreds or thousands of young people out there in just this one city looking for jobs? And then at
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the same time, oh, no one to fill the job. So we have to bring in immigrants to work at the local
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Tim Hortons. I mean, it's just, the system is just full of abuse. That's the major problem as well.
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It also turns into effectively indentured servitude because you, when you're in this country,
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you have to work the job that you came in for. And when you're living and you cannot afford to
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lose this job. So you really can't say no to working potentially unpaid overtime, which we get a lot of
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stories of. And then these same people who are already working long hours at their one job have
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to then also, you know, drive for Uber in order to pay for a half a basement suite that they live in
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with three or four other people. Anyone who pretends like they're opposing pure poly of because they're
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ethical human beings are lying to themselves because they're supporting a system that is
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actually abusive, pretending as if they're like standing up for lowly immigrants. They're not.
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They're standing up for effectively modern day slaves who were lied into taking jobs overseas that
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are not actually going to do much more than just pay for them to even sustain themselves in Canada.
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Well, that's 100%. I wanted to just point to this Globe and Mail article from last summer,
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August 24. Employers still turning to low wage workers, even as unemployment rates rise.
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This is kind of telling the same story, but there's this interesting graph and it shows here
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positions approved in temporary foreign worker program by stream. And so it used to be, Wyatt,
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that the overwhelming majority of temporary foreign workers that came to Canada worked in fields. They
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were ag workers. They came in the summer, they picked blueberries or whatever they did, then they
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left. Look, I would still argue that you can hire teenagers and college students to do that kind of
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work. But still, you know, these these companies say, look, we need these temporary foreign workers.
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And yet, if we can show the graph on the screen, it shows just the rise of low wage workers during
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this period. So from 2022, you can see that it jumps significantly. So low wage workers used to be 20%
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of these temporary foreign worker program, and it has jumped up to 80%, almost as much as these ag
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workers. So the type of workers has totally changed. Now, this is an interesting point, because we heard
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Mark Carney on the campaign trail and even before basically saying that the liberal immigration
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system was broken, that they that they broke it. Here's a story from CBC News all the way back in
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November. Mark Carney says that Canada is letting down the immigrants that it welcomed. And he basically
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just said, look, this isn't working. Right. And we heard that again and again. And yet and yet
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when he became prime minister, he made absolutely no changes. And so here is a news story.
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Juno News, May 30th, 2025, Canada took in 817,000 new immigrants in the first four months of 2025.
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Look at the headline. Unbelievable. Between January and April, 132,000 people were granted permanent
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residency, while 194,000 were given student visas and 490 were given these work permits. So there's no
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there's no slowing down. Right. These and again, you can see that tilt. Right. 130 were given permanent
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residency and all of the rest all the way up to 817,000. So that's what 690,000 people were let in
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temporarily like they're not stopping. What drives me up the wall about that statue is people will make
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excuses by saying, well, 817,000 number, you have a visa renewals, you have student visa and TFW visa
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renewals. Well, that's effectively a new immigrant because the whole idea was that they were going to
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be here for a few years, then they were going to go home. If they're now here for rather than three
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years, six years, well, then that's basically a second person entering right after they leave
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and filling that gap. So people are trying to make excuses and pretend like Carney's doing a better job
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than Trudeau on immigration right now. Is he going to be better than maybe Trudeau like 2024,
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2023 Trudeau? Sure. But it's hard. It would probably have been hard for Trudeau to even top
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himself in the year 2025. We're going down to even what would be high levels in 2018 and 2019.
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And again, like you had been pointing out, it was even a little too high under Martin and Harper.
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It should have probably been even lower back then, because again, your immigration should always be
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purely supplemental to your natural growth as a country. If people's standard of living is
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slipping at all by bringing in more people, then you can't do it. And what we've seen over the last,
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I think, nine quarters at this point is that we have per capita incomes falling in Canada,
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because we're not actually adding more productivity with these new immigrants. We're
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just basically subsidizing large corporations by giving them cheaper labor. And again, it really
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demonstrates just the kind of loser mentality that's baked into Canada. These corporations don't
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push for lowering their extremely high corporate taxes. They just want to maybe try and save a few
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dollars by bringing in cheaper labor. It's such a, like, people just resigned to the idea that
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we're just always going to have big government. Well, that's exactly right. Because my mind is,
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if we're having to import people who don't share cultural values, who many of them resort to crime,
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or at least being here illegally, like people don't leave when they're supposed to,
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like, why don't we just work harder to train and motivate the younger generation to do these jobs,
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right? Put it back in the culture that you get a summer job when you're a teenager, or hey,
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how about like getting rid of a whole bunch of social welfare programs that allow healthy,
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able-bodied young men and women to stay at home and not work? Like, we have it all backwards. And
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to your point about how, you know, many people think that Mark Carney is just automatically better
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than Justin Trudeau because he's not such a clown. The problem, Wyatt, is that he's surrounding
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himself with clownish people. And so let me just point to this news story out of Global News,
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an absolute bombshell. Before joining cabinet, the public safety minister of Canada wrote
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immigration support letters for terror group members, terror group members. So yes, our public
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safety minister, Gary Anasangari, wrote letters urging Canadian officials to approve the immigration
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applications of a man who was, had been determined by the government to be a member of the terrorist
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organization. The letter dated 2023 and another one from 2016, were written on Anasangari's House
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of Commons letterhead and sent to Canadian Border Services on behalf of an alleged member of Sri Lanka's
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Tamil Tigers who wanted to move to Canada. So the person who we charge with protecting us,
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public safety minister, is in charge of the border, in charge of making sure that terrorists don't come
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into our country, has actually advocated on behalf of terrorists coming into our country.
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It's like the farce in Canada just never ends. The living satire that we are in, yes,
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a cabinet minister is the one who wanted terrorists into our country. It's unbelievable.
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And that specific issue is linked to high immigration. He is obviously trying to pander to a community
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where defending a member of the Tamil Tigers may get you some more votes. That's exactly what he's doing.
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There's a reason why we just had a shooting in Surrey where somebody who is openly part of the banned
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terrorist organization, Barba Kalsa, celebrated and took credit for a shooting on a cafe that they just,
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the owner of, had basically made a joke about him or his friends. And politicians were just talking about
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it like it's a normal gang shooting. Even though there's a guy who openly took credit for it from
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banned terrorist organization, we don't want to mention who it was because it might tick off certain people.
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I mean, you're right. It's vote bank politics. It's like they want to get votes from these
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communities. And so they're willing to do despicable things. They don't put Canadians
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first. They put themselves and their party and their communities first. And so let me just read
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a little bit more from this global news story. Although Canadian immigration officials had
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repeatedly rejected this individual as an immigrant due to what they describe as protracted involvement
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in the Tigers, the Tamil Tigers, which is a terrorist group in Sri Lanka. Anagasari asked them to reverse
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their decision. His most recent letter to CBSA, Anagasari said, the agency's refusal to grant this
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individual permanent residency has separated the 48-year-old Sri Lankan from his Canadian wife and
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child, which the Toronto MP called cruel and inhumane. Okay. Just to give you a bit more background
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about that. The child was conceived in Sri Lanka. The woman had gone to Sri Lanka and then she moved to
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Canada so that she could have a Canadian child and now she wants her terrorist husband to come with
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her. The answer is, sorry, no, go home. Instead, it's the other way around and it's cruel and humane
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not to let the terrorists into the country. And here's what he said. I respectfully ask that you
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review and reconsider the decision. Anagasari wrote on July 19th, 2023. We're not talking about ancient
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history here. We're talking about two years ago when it was the last few days of his time as
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parliamentary secretary to the minister of justice attorney general. Where do they find these people
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and why are they in charge? It is like, it is just so unbelievable. Wyatt, what do you think?
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That also just reflects a lot of liberal criminal justice policy these days. Like, don't make the person
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suffer the consequences of their own actions. It's cruel and inhumane that they actually, you know, maybe
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take some punishment for the things that they do for the associations they have. But yeah, like, the thing is
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that this is rarely picked up by the mainstream media. If it's covered, it's covered for a few
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seconds. This should be a major scandal. Again, and this has actually happened multiple times. We
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even have politicians supposedly on the right, like Patrick Brown, who when he ran for the leadership
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in 2022 for the federal party, actually had mentioned that he may take the Tamil Tigers off the
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terrorism watch list. Just remove them from the blacklist. This is just, and again, you're right about
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Mark Carney. He is more professional than Justin Trudeau, but I'm not sure if that's exactly a good
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thing because I don't exactly want a more efficient leader of the current circus that is the liberal
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cabinet because they're just going to do bad things faster. Yeah, more stealth and they'll do it behind
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your back. And isn't this just like an open message to all the terrorists around the world? Like,
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all you have to do is just like get your, get your girl from pregnant, put her on a plane,
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send her to Canada, have the baby in Canada, and the minister will be writing letters on your behalf
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pleading to the government to let you into the country because it's inhumane to have your child
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separated from you. Like it, this is just an absolute ridiculous, this is in a nutshell,
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is everything wrong with liberal government and our immigration system? Well, Wyatt, thank you so much
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for joining the show. It's always a pleasure to have you on. I'm really looking forward to your show
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on Juno News. Thank you, Candace. All right, folks, that's all the time we have for today. Thank you so
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much for tuning in. I'm Candace Malcolm. This is Candace Malcolm Show. We'll be back again tomorrow.