The Candice Malcolm Show - September 29, 2025


Carney ENDORSES carbon taxes while PANDERING to global elites


Episode Stats

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32 minutes

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173.62614

Word Count

5,666

Sentence Count

348

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

2


Summary


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Welcome to The Candace Malcolm Show. My name is Chris Sims. I'm the Alberta Director for the
00:00:08.160 Canadian Taxpayers Federation, sitting in Candace's chair for the next few days. Thank you so much for
00:00:13.240 making us a part of your new week. If you haven't done so yet, be sure to like this video, subscribe
00:00:19.120 to the channel, and most importantly, share it with your friends. Now, this kind of slipped under
00:00:24.840 the radar, and I really think it's important for all of our Juno News viewers to know what's going
00:00:31.540 on. Prime Minister Mark Carney had jetted over to England on Friday, and he was at some big fancy
00:00:40.740 mucky-muck globalist summit called the Global Progress Action Summit. Now, that sounds kind of
00:00:48.060 boring, but it's really important that we pay attention to this stuff because this is where
00:00:54.260 all of these jet-setting politicians get together, and it's kind of like high school, but with your
00:01:01.480 money and a lot of power over you. And they get together, and they start chit-chatting, and they
00:01:07.500 start trying to one-up each other on stuff like banning the sale of normal gasoline and diesel-powered
00:01:14.400 vehicles. If somebody were from British Columbia or Vancouver, for example, they'd probably be bragging
00:01:20.540 about the fact that they're banning new homes being built with natural gas furnaces in them. Yeah,
00:01:27.560 check that out in Vancouver. So, it's summits like these where these terrible, expensive, big
00:01:35.300 government ideas are hatched, so it's super important for us to pay attention to them. I have a clip here
00:01:41.700 for you, okay? It is Mark Carney, Prime Minister of Canada, who just so happens to be on stage
00:01:48.840 with the Prime Minister of the UK, Keir Starmer. This is just after Keir Starmer made his big
00:01:57.340 announcement that made big news about digital ID in England, in his country. Now, what Carney says here
00:02:05.060 is super important. You have to listen to the whole thing. It's about a minute long, and he chit-chats
00:02:10.440 about Karl Marx a little bit, so keep listening. At the very end, he calls carbon taxes textbook good
00:02:19.240 policy. Listen to this.
00:02:23.040 You know, the reality of what you inherited, going 15 years without real wages, without people getting
00:02:29.700 ahead. Like, the last time that happened was the middle of the 19th century. Karl Marx was writing the
00:02:35.080 Communist Manifesto in the British Library. I mean, there is a connection there. So, you've got to
00:02:40.240 deliver real wage growth, first and foremost. And so, similar to in Australia, slightly different
00:02:46.200 measures. First thing we did is we cut taxes for the middle class. We cut taxes for 22 million
00:02:51.640 Canadians. Boom. Right away, first thing we did, we cut a tax for effectively for young Canadians when
00:02:58.780 they're buying their first time home. Cut taxes on carbon, which was also the direct carbon tax,
00:03:05.880 which had become a divisive issue. It was a, you know, in textbook, a good policy, but a divisive
00:03:12.620 issue. So... Do you hear that? Textbook good policy. Now, the reason I'm trying to hammer this thing
00:03:21.220 home is twofold. One, Mark Carney loves carbon taxes. Like, here, I've got his book here. He wrote an entire
00:03:29.360 book, okay? Praising carbon taxes. Like, global carbon taxes. So, one, Carney still loves carbon
00:03:38.060 taxes. And do you notice how he kind of looked a little bit apologetic there in front of all of his
00:03:42.780 little progressive friends on the stage? He had to kind of account for that. So, he still loves carbon
00:03:48.500 taxes, and he's going to hit us with new ones. He said so, to be fair, he said so out loud during the
00:03:56.100 election campaign. He said he wasn't going to axe the tax, which he found funny. He's going to change
00:04:03.160 the carbon tax. So, right now, we're in kind of a lull. We're kind of in a phony war moment right now
00:04:09.580 because he did get rid of the consumer carbon tax. That's why, typically, it's about 20 cents cheaper
00:04:15.760 per liter of gasoline, on average, in most gas stations across Canada than it was a year ago.
00:04:21.860 So, it's gone, but he's still cooking up the new industrial carbon tax. And the new industrial
00:04:28.180 carbon tax is going to be a big one. How big? Well, it was big enough for the steel workers and
00:04:35.240 the pipe workers' trade unions to be so worried about it for their steel plants in Hamilton that
00:04:42.100 they endorsed the Conservatives during the last election. That was the first time I've ever seen
00:04:47.260 something like that. So, the industrial carbon tax, it's coming. They're still cooking it, and it's
00:04:53.380 coming. Second, the other reason I wanted to really hammer this home is because, like I said, it's at
00:04:59.100 globally summits where they all get together and they eat beef carpaccio and canapes and stuff all on your
00:05:04.620 dime, okay? It's at these summits where bad ideas start. And one of the original bad ideas was carbon
00:05:14.080 taxes. Now, Conservative leader and opposition leader, Pierre Polyev, he took a little bit of
00:05:20.040 heat about a month or so ago when he came out and said, yeah, we're going to keep fighting carbon
00:05:24.700 taxes. Thank you very much. That's the right thing to do. And I would say some of the newer kind of
00:05:31.480 online influencers in this sphere, the ones who are arguing for more freedom and smaller government,
00:05:36.760 they're like, oh, that was the last campaign. Why are you talking about carbon taxes? No, no, no,
00:05:41.560 no, no, no. If you care about big government controlling your life and making you poor and
00:05:50.620 saying that you have to eat this or heat with this or drive this, carbon taxes are the OG of government
00:06:00.420 control. This all started way back. They were chatting about this at the Rio summits. If you don't
00:06:06.940 know what that is, Google it, look it up. So Pierre Polyev is absolutely right to continually fight
00:06:14.000 carbon taxes. And Mark Carney is just waiting to hit us with new ones. It's going to be an industrial
00:06:20.880 carbon tax. And keep in mind, he's still hanging on to carbon tax tariffs. He calls them border
00:06:28.960 adjustment mechanisms. What that means is this. Mark Carney looks around the world, okay, like you can see
00:06:35.540 right on the front of his book here, okay? That's the planet with scaffolding around it, because
00:06:40.120 they're going to fix it, of course, for all of our benefit. He looks around the world. He finds a
00:06:45.480 country that doesn't have a carbon tax, like a national carbon tax, and that upsets him. That upsets
00:06:52.340 Mark Carney so much that when an import comes into Canada from one of those big bad countries with no
00:06:58.740 federal carbon tax, he's going to slap a tariff on that stuff. Yeah, he said so during the election
00:07:05.380 campaign, that this is his plan. He doesn't put it that way. He cloaks it in newspeak and calls it a border
00:07:10.740 adjustment mechanism, okay? That's a carbon tax tariff, okay? So it's really important for folks to pay close
00:07:17.180 attention when the prime minister jets off to something. Now, most of the mainstream media will cover it in like,
00:07:23.620 oh, a happy, yay, isn't this neat, fluffy, he's going to a rugby game, blah, blah, blah. That's fine.
00:07:29.240 It's okay to enjoy nice things. But ask yourself what the real purpose of a lot of these meetings are.
00:07:35.300 And it's exactly stuff like this. It's being an apologist for carbon taxes and cooking up new plans
00:07:42.060 to control your life. And carbon taxes, remember, dictate what kind of vehicle you can drive,
00:07:49.260 what you can heat your home with, and how expensive food is, because it hits trucking.
00:07:57.460 Speaking of expensive, the federal government is broke. We are out of money, we are in a major debt
00:08:04.000 crisis, and the parliamentary budget officer is sounding the alarm. But first, let's listen to a
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00:08:48.860 Okay, so the parliamentary budget officer, Jason Jocks, he's the interim parliamentary budget
00:08:54.840 officer. So let's hope he's able to keep his job. The interim parliamentary budget officer made a lot
00:09:00.480 of headlines last week, and he did a great job at committee. That's where he was saying that the
00:09:05.900 amount of spending going on here and the deficit that he was estimating based on the numbers he has
00:09:11.020 right now was stupefying. So you probably saw that clip last week. But what you probably didn't see
00:09:18.020 was an excellent interview that he did on CPAC. And I wanted to bring this to you, or the team here at
00:09:24.200 Juneau wanted to bring this to you, because he says something really important. You might hear some of
00:09:29.840 the spin coming from the federal government of, oh, this budget is going to be super crazy ugly bad
00:09:34.920 because of Donald Trump. Listen to this.
00:09:37.940 If left on change, the fiscal path that the government's currently on will definitely result
00:09:44.680 in us being in quite a bit of trouble and having to make some hard decisions.
00:09:48.440 Now, in getting here, what do you attribute this to? Is this like Donald Trump's trade policies,
00:09:54.280 you know, the roosters coming home to nest? Or is this about government spending priorities and not
00:09:59.720 controlling it?
00:10:00.280 I think it's kind of a little bit from column A and a little bit from column B. So there definitely
00:10:06.340 is an impact in comparison to our previous forecast. You can definitely see the impact on the overall
00:10:11.260 growth for the Canadian economy. A larger part of it is the government policy decisions.
00:10:20.560 So once again, that was interim parliamentary budget officer Jason Jocks. And he's mild-mannered,
00:10:26.360 as a lot of spokespeople in Ottawa are. But he popped that bubble there that was coming from the
00:10:32.840 host. These are not the chickens coming home to roost. This is just really bad fiscal policy.
00:10:39.580 Because what about before Donald Trump? Oh, was that because of the lockdowns and COVID? Okay,
00:10:47.120 well, what about before that? Because before any of the crazy stuff happened in 2020,
00:10:52.400 before the lockdowns, before businesses were destroyed, largely by government diktat. In 2018-2019,
00:11:01.180 the federal government, under then Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, spent more money than in any one year
00:11:09.760 of the Second World War, adjusted for population and inflation. I know, it's crazy. I'm going to say
00:11:19.500 that again, real slow. So remember back in the sunny ways times of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
00:11:24.500 when he said the budget will balance itself? And we'll, oh, and we're going to balance the budget by
00:11:29.120 2019, like scouts on her, no problem. He never balanced the budget, not even one time, okay? And
00:11:37.200 in 2018-2019, the fiscal year before 2020, they spent more money than our government did during the
00:11:46.920 Second World War, adjusted for inflation. So this government does not really have a US President
00:11:55.440 Donald Trump problem. If they truly believed that, they would be earnestly doing everything they can
00:12:03.400 to get a new trade deal with that person. Because, yeah, Canadians are suffering because of this.
00:12:10.580 Because they're refusing to actually get in there and hammer out a trade deal. And they'd rather take
00:12:15.920 potshots on TV to score points with their reporter friends. Normal working people in Canada, and frankly,
00:12:22.240 plenty of people in the United States, are being hurt by this. And we just don't have the money to
00:12:28.300 withstand this. We are now $1.2 trillion in debt, which is what Jason Jocks was sounding the alarm bell about.
00:12:37.440 Put another way, the interest that we are paying on the federal debt is $1 billion a week. Picture a brand
00:12:48.280 new hospital, all done, all shiny, paint on, everything ready to go. But instead of moving in the doctors
00:12:55.040 and nurses, we burn it down. Burn it down. Every week, burn down a new hospital. That's what taxpayers
00:13:03.240 are having to pay with interest on our federal debt. So, folks, it is time for people to really
00:13:10.140 wake up to this debt spiral that we're in right now because we don't have the money to cover stuff
00:13:16.280 like this. Speaking of not having the money, there's something that is happening right now
00:13:21.920 that is going to cost taxpayers a ton of money. And that is the so-called buyback program for firearms
00:13:29.440 owners. Now, before you say, oh, I'm not a gun owner and I don't care and it's a crime thing. No,
00:13:35.080 no, no, no. Okay. Number one, they might be coming after people's firearms right now, but they could be
00:13:42.060 coming after your pickup truck tomorrow. Like, real easy. So, this is a private property issue. Two,
00:13:49.000 this is going to cost the so-called buyback program a ton of money. Okay. Experts are guessing
00:13:55.880 anywhere from like $1 billion with a B to $6 billion with a B. And when they tried this back
00:14:03.400 in the early 90s with the whole long gun registry, they said, oh, no problem. It'll cost $2 million.
00:14:08.780 It wound up costing taxpayers $2 billion. So, times $1,000. So, we have un-money. We do not have the
00:14:16.560 money to do this firearms thing. And three, the police themselves say targeting licensed legal
00:14:25.340 firearms owners is not going to solve crime. This is going to be a huge waste of money and
00:14:32.160 resources. Police do not want to participate in this thing. And it is not going to solve the crime
00:14:39.160 problem. Where do we go from here with this? Let's find out. Joining me now is Devin Drover. He is a
00:14:46.560 friend of mine. He's also the Atlantic Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. And most importantly,
00:14:52.080 when it comes to guns, he's our in-house lawyer. He is our legal counsel. Devin, thank you so much for
00:14:58.900 joining us today. We really appreciate your time. Thank you so much for having me.
00:15:03.080 So, we're taking an extra step here at the Taxpayers Federation. And I winced on your behalf
00:15:08.780 when you made this announcement last week because you said, here's my email address. If folks are on
00:15:14.780 Cape Breton Island, okay, if you're living there geographically, and you get one of these letters
00:15:19.980 from the federal government, we will find you free legal advice. That is outstanding. As a firearms
00:15:27.020 owner, I know I would find that to be a comfort after I get a letter like that because it's scary.
00:15:32.820 It's scary to hear from the federal government in that way. What exactly are you doing when it comes
00:15:37.240 to free legal advice for firearms owners? Yeah, exactly. And I think you hit the nail on the head
00:15:43.360 when you said it's scary. I know, you know, as a lawyer, I deal with kind of how to say this
00:15:50.200 appropriately, pissing matches with the federal government's lawyers on a regular basis. And I
00:15:55.100 don't think, you know, it's not something as a lawyer, it makes me uncomfortable. But when you're
00:16:00.260 not so many legally trained and you get this strongly worded letter from the federal government
00:16:04.960 for the RCMP, you know, about taking your personal property, it can be scary. So that's what we're
00:16:10.920 doing at the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. We're offering free legal advice to anyone impacted by
00:16:15.900 the confiscation scheme. And so very pleased to do it. Anyone local in Cape Breton Island that's
00:16:22.640 dealing with, you know, threats from the federal government to have their property confiscated
00:16:27.680 can email us at legal underscore team at taxpayer.com. And you'll hear from me or a member of the team
00:16:32.880 about how to protect your rights. So that's legal underscore team as in join the team at taxpayer.com.
00:16:40.860 That's the email? Absolutely. Legal underscore team at taxpayer.com. If you send an email and you're
00:16:46.800 a resident of Cape Breton being threatened by this confiscation program, we will, myself and the team
00:16:52.380 of lawyers I'm working with on this file, we'll make sure we get back to you as soon as possible to
00:16:56.560 make sure your rights are protected and that you do not need to comply with the program as is.
00:17:00.920 Perfect. I wanted to get that in there off the top because I know, you know, some people who are
00:17:06.520 in possession of these firearms right now are really looking for a place to turn. So I wanted to get
00:17:10.420 that on the record right away. I wanted to dig into the issue a little bit as well, though, because
00:17:15.080 I've seen some screw ups at the federal government level. I can't remember the time I've seen an issue
00:17:22.320 like this handled this badly. So we've got experts, okay, like criminology type people saying this is
00:17:30.460 going to cost upwards of a billion dollars with a B, which is just a mind blowing amount of money
00:17:36.220 warning that this is going to cost a lot of money. We've got police on the front lines. So the ones
00:17:42.500 who are actually representing, you know, guys and girls in blue saying, um, this is not going to help
00:17:47.300 the crime problems that we have at the city level. Why are we going after legal firearms owners and not
00:17:52.940 the bad guys with the illegal handguns? And what blows my mind is that we also had the public safety
00:17:58.520 minister who clearly did not have a grasp on what this program was. What's your assessment of, I would
00:18:05.980 say, the latest incarnation of the federal government handling this right now?
00:18:10.340 Yeah. So that's a great question, Chris. And it's always funny. We have this administration in Ottawa,
00:18:14.740 this big bloated government in Ottawa, that's always telling us when we raise concerns,
00:18:18.900 well, we have to listen to the experts. Well, the experts aren't telling them that this is a good
00:18:24.300 policy. In fact, everyone is against this. You have the fire or you have, um, you know,
00:18:29.220 you have the Toronto police association saying it's going to have zero impact on crime in Toronto. You
00:18:33.340 have a professor King from Mount Royal university saying it won't impact crime rates. The only thing
00:18:39.040 that it is going to impact is one, the personal property rights of legal firearm owners in this country
00:18:43.660 country and us as taxpayers across this country. And yeah, the estimates are insane, Chris, we have,
00:18:50.720 you know, first they told us that it would cost $200 million. Um, then two years later,
00:18:56.180 three to $400 million. The government's own parliamentary budget officer is now saying
00:19:01.220 it'll cost 756 million just to purchase the guns. Let's not talk about the administrative bloat
00:19:06.620 that it costs to get anything done in this country at the federal level. And now you have other experts
00:19:11.860 who are putting the total costs at $6 billion as one example. So, you know, this is a rampant
00:19:20.440 abuse of taxpayer dollars and it's targeting the wrong people. It's not targeting those who
00:19:24.940 are committing crimes using illegal firearms. We're targeting hunters. We're targeting sports
00:19:29.300 shooters. We're talking, we're, uh, targeting law abiding gun owners in this country and the
00:19:33.960 program needs to stop. Yeah. To be very clear, I mentioned it off the top before you joined the show,
00:19:39.980 but for folks who just woke up to this issue, we are not talking about illegal guns. This has
00:19:47.220 nothing to do with illegal guns. So, you know, the folks that you see that are filling the parking
00:19:51.940 lots at Cabela's on the weekends, right? They're, they're buying up all this hunting gear and
00:19:56.240 everything. There are millions of us, okay. Who are legal licensed law abiding firearms owners.
00:20:02.340 We have to go through a safety course. All of our backgrounds are checked all the time.
00:20:07.240 Like the RCMP phones, all of your exes to make sure that you're not a crazy person before you're
00:20:13.380 allowed to have a license for a firearm here in Canada. It's those folks with their firearms
00:20:20.200 that for some inexplicable reason, the federal government is going after. And before people say,
00:20:26.360 oh, well, those guns are dangerous. The Trudeau government announced this back in 2020. It's
00:20:33.440 now 2025. So those same firearms owners have been hanging onto those things in their gun safes for
00:20:40.240 five years. And there hasn't been rampant violence on the streets being committed by licensed firearms
00:20:45.780 owners. I'm laughing because the whole thing is just so absurd. I wanted to play a quick clip here
00:20:51.420 and kudos to the Toronto Police Association. I know that police are hesitant to say stuff that
00:20:58.540 will be interpreted as being political. They just want to keep their head down and do their jobs.
00:21:03.200 But it's really important that the Toronto Police Association is speaking up on this,
00:21:08.300 basically saying this is going to cost a lot of money, waste resources, and it's not going to solve
00:21:13.280 the crimes on the street. This is Clayton Campbell at committee in Ottawa. Let's listen.
00:21:18.720 The bottom line, the city of Toronto is the gun buyback program would not have any impact on the
00:21:25.520 violence we're seeing in the city. The violence we're seeing in relation to firearm offenses is
00:21:31.160 essentially exclusively to a small number of gang members, thugs using illegal firearms. Most of the time
00:21:38.920 that come across the border, about 90% of the 700 illegal firearms we seized last year came across the
00:21:44.840 border. And most of the time, people on bail are prohibited from using a firearm.
00:21:51.220 Amazing. Like, you couldn't have said it more clearly on this show. Devin, what's your take on
00:21:57.620 the public safety minister? Because this is what kind of really had me cluing into this harder,
00:22:02.700 saying, wow, you guys are really screwing this up. Famously, before the summer break,
00:22:07.580 Andrew Lawton, former host here on Juno News and its predecessor, True North,
00:22:12.280 he started quizzing the public safety minister saying, okay, what's a PAL possession and
00:22:18.140 acquisition license? What's the safety course that firearms owners have to take? And he famously said,
00:22:24.680 this isn't doesn't have anything to do with legal firearms owners. Which was amazing, because that's
00:22:31.480 all this is about. And now we've recently heard him on a recording when he didn't know he was being
00:22:36.580 recorded, basically saying, if I had to do this all over again, I wouldn't do this. And this is kind
00:22:42.500 of a big mistake. What's your take on his handling of this file so far? Do you think this will be the
00:22:47.880 ability to get rid of it? It might help us get rid of it?
00:22:51.420 Yeah, I mean, I think it's very clear that the public safety minister in Ottawa has absolutely no
00:22:55.240 idea about this program and absolutely no idea how to solve the issues facing public safety.
00:23:00.680 You know, as we see in that clip, the problems with in Toronto, for example, in crime is not
00:23:06.280 law abiding gun owners, it is the, you know, limited to gang activity, and illegal firearms
00:23:12.360 brought over the border. It is not my father moose hunting in Newfoundland and Labrador is not a
00:23:16.680 criminal. And this government instead is treating them like one with this ban. So, you know, I think
00:23:22.220 it's it's very clear that he's in over his head on this file, it's very clear that this program needs
00:23:27.240 to be scrapped. If you know, in the idea that, you know, if he had his time back, he would do it
00:23:33.080 different. The time is still here. We still have we're still under an amnesty period where the firearm
00:23:38.040 owners are legally allowed to keep these these firearms in their homes. They do not need to comply
00:23:43.720 with the confiscation that their trial that's taking place in Cape Breton right now. And you know,
00:23:49.800 it's real telling to me and this is this is bothersome as an Atlantic Canadian, because I think
00:23:54.580 this government takes advantage of Atlantic Canadians sometimes in their support for them.
00:23:59.180 And I think, you know, it's telling to me that the public safety ministers announcing this trial
00:24:04.020 of this confiscation regime in Cape Breton Island, but wouldn't even go to Cape Breton to announce it.
00:24:10.440 They did it from an they they hit an Ottawa press room to tell legal law abiding gun owners in Cape
00:24:18.500 Breton that they're coming for their property. It is sickening to me as an Atlantic Canadian. And I'm
00:24:23.640 tired of seeing our Atlantic Canadians being treated like this by the federal administration
00:24:27.660 in Ottawa. However, as I've said, we are offering free legal advice for those people. And we're not
00:24:34.860 going to let Cape Breton be a guinea pig for this federal program. We'll we'll encourage resistance
00:24:39.920 legally to make sure that this program cannot roll out across the country.
00:24:44.120 I wanted to really stress that you're jittering a little bit there with your audio, but I wanted
00:24:49.740 to reinstate what you said there. Quite often, and I've lived in Atlantic Canada, a lot of my family
00:24:55.580 is from there. I agree, the Liberal government in particular, because they have quite strong support
00:25:01.100 out that way, as they say, I find that they take them for granted, and that they think, oh, well,
00:25:07.680 they're going to be a soft touch. We're just going to do this little pilot project there where we're
00:25:12.000 seizing their property for no safety reasons. And so that's why I'm really glad that we're
00:25:17.460 stressing two things. Don't freak out if you get one of these letters in the mail. Okay. And two,
00:25:23.720 this is so important. And he barely mentioned this, but it's true. We have another year. We have
00:25:30.320 another year of amnesty. So even if you have one of these firearms, okay, some of which, by the way,
00:25:36.020 folks who are watching are like 22s, okay, people call them plinkers here on the prairies, okay?
00:25:41.820 If you have one of them, you still have another year. You have until October of 2026. So that gives
00:25:48.580 us some breathing room and some time to be able to challenge this stuff legally. Devin, I wanted you
00:25:53.840 to touch on something that I'll admit, I'm not a lawyer. This part confused me. And I don't know
00:26:01.560 why they keep using this term. So we had Prime Minister Mark Carney tell a podcaster, oh, this
00:26:10.740 program is voluntary. It's voluntary. And then we had the public safety minister repeat that word.
00:26:18.760 And so this is, I think it caused a lot of confusion among licensed firearms owners.
00:26:23.760 Do you know what they mean when they keep on saying that the program is voluntary?
00:26:29.160 Oh, this is such clearly an example of, and probably cooked up by some PR experts in Ottawa
00:26:35.360 and liberal HQ to try to make this program a little more sellable to the general public.
00:26:40.540 It is not voluntary any more than paying your income taxes is voluntary. Yeah, you can choose
00:26:46.560 to do it or you can choose not to do it and go to jail or face criminal consequences. That's not
00:26:51.500 voluntary to me. No matter how Ottawa wants to put lipstick on a pig here, it is a bad policy and
00:26:57.460 they're not going to be able to convince Canadians, convince law-abiding gun owners to give up their
00:27:02.500 rights by throwing around words like voluntary. It is not voluntary. They are making it a criminal
00:27:08.560 defense to own these firearms that are used for hunting and sports shooting. And yeah, that's the
00:27:14.940 bottom line.
00:27:16.780 That, I was trying to give them the benefit of the doubt thinking they were just incompetent
00:27:21.120 because of what the safety minister had been saying earlier. But when they kept repeating that,
00:27:26.160 I thought, yeah, so the choice is you either comply or you go to prison. That is not a real choice.
00:27:34.560 Frankly, after the last few years, I'm tired of hearing from this government of, oh, it's up to you,
00:27:40.480 but we'll just take everything that you have away from you and or put you in jail. If you don't comply,
00:27:45.520 that's voluntary. That doesn't help. That doesn't help people believing in government. That doesn't
00:27:50.920 help people trusting politicians. And it doesn't help, frankly, this law, because it makes it sound
00:27:56.780 really disingenuous and sneaky. If I can, is there a way, do you think, that we can get more people
00:28:03.200 on board with this? Like, I know most of the firearms community, as we would call it, the ones who
00:28:08.480 legally own firearms, they get this. They understand that this is going after hunters and sport shooters.
00:28:14.000 They understand what they have to do. Do you think there's room to bring more moderate people
00:28:19.360 on who may not own firearms or have experience with them, understanding that this, you know what,
00:28:25.000 it could be my 22 today, but it could be your Ford F-150 tomorrow if they want to seize private
00:28:31.740 property. Are we able to go there, do you think, with that argument? Yeah, I absolutely think so. We're
00:28:37.760 seeing an increasingly more authoritarian regime in Ottawa that is looking at taking your property away
00:28:43.360 or your freedoms away, whether it's your freedom to purchase a vehicle that's gas-powered, which you
00:28:48.000 need in vast amounts of this country, or whether it's now your ability to have legal firearms. So,
00:28:54.860 you know, I think it's, we need to be making the case, you know, as to as many people as possible.
00:29:00.720 And that means talking to non-firearm owners about this issue, because it is complicated. If you don't
00:29:05.520 know, you know, if you're in downtown Toronto, never have touched a firearm in your life,
00:29:12.760 and then you hear a little bit about this voluntary, quote-unquote voluntary program,
00:29:17.540 you might think, oh, maybe this is going to help. It's not going to help. And it's very clear from
00:29:22.020 the quote-unquote experts that it's not going to help. And it's very clear when you talk to people
00:29:26.640 who actually are law-abiding firearm owners in this country, that they are not criminals.
00:29:30.760 So, you know, I think we need to be open with people, we need to talk to people. And one of
00:29:36.240 the things I'm really looking forward to is just in a couple days, I'll be on the ground in Cape
00:29:40.400 Breton when this confiscation program officially starts. Myself, other members of the firearms
00:29:45.940 community, some members of parliament who are standing up against this confiscation regime.
00:29:52.340 And I'm looking forward to that, because not only will that rally on the ground there,
00:29:56.540 you know, show that Cape Bretoners are opposed to this, it provides an opportunity for dialogue
00:30:00.400 with other Cape Bretoners who are not aware of the policy and allows that discourse to happen.
00:30:06.060 Awesome. Once again, Devin Drover, can you hit us with that email address? So folks,
00:30:10.720 have mercy on Devin for now, only if you're in Cape Breton, okay? If you're in Cape Breton and you
00:30:16.360 are a legal licensed firearms owner, and you're concerned about this program, where can they email
00:30:22.100 you? Please reach out to us if you have any questions about the confiscation regime. If you get a
00:30:27.500 scary letter or a phone call from government or the RCMP, and you need advice on this issue,
00:30:32.980 please email us legal underscore help at taxpayer.com.
00:30:37.580 Perfect. Awesome. Thank you so much for your time today, Devin Drover, Atlantic Director for the
00:30:42.680 Canadian Taxpayers Federation and our in-house counsel. Once again, folks, two things. One,
00:30:49.860 if you get a letter about this, don't freak out. There are still options. And two, you have another
00:30:57.480 year. There is another year left of amnesty. So they only start actually seizing the firearms and
00:31:04.460 saying, okay, now you have to comply in October of 2026. So there's a lot of runway left in this fight.
00:31:12.040 Folks, this is exactly the reason why you should be a Juno News subscriber, okay? Quite often in the
00:31:18.760 mainstream media, they will talk about things like, oh, the voluntary buyback program. Like Devin just
00:31:24.880 said, if you're some regular person living in downtown Toronto, and you're watching TV, and you
00:31:31.000 hear a bit of a snippet on the mainstream media, and it's the voluntary buyback program for firearms,
00:31:36.600 you might think that this is like, oh, this is one of those things where, you know, when you watch
00:31:41.380 those cop shows on TV in primetime, this is like one of those things where the gangbangers are turning
00:31:46.240 in their firearms in exchange for, you know, gift certificates or something to take guns off the
00:31:51.300 street. They named it this on purpose so that it flies under the radar. And normal, earnest people
00:31:57.520 think that this is about fighting crime. It's not. This has got nothing to do with fighting crime,
00:32:03.800 as the head of the Toronto Police Association said. We spoke directly to Clayton Campbell on this very
00:32:10.780 program just a couple of weeks ago, and he said the same thing. That made news, okay? So it's really
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