CBC journalist HUMILIATED twice in ONE DAY, Carney Liberals SLAMMED in new press freedom report, will Alberta SEPARATE？
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Summary
In this episode, Candice talks to Sheila Gunn-Reed, President of the Independent Press Gallery of Canada, about the decline in press freedom in Canada. She also talks about the impact of Bill C-11, which handed control of the internet over to the CRTC, and Mark Carney, the incoming Bank of Canada Governor.
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Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for you
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today. We are coming off the election. And let me just tell you, folks, the numbers here at
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really proud of what we have built together. I say together because we would not be here
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without the audience, without viewers like you, without the people who are subscribers to Juno
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News that pay us $10 a month for all of our news. You're the ones that have propelled this and kept
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this going. So during the election, during the shortest election that you could possibly have,
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only five weeks, we published 413 exclusive news stories at Juno News. We had 10 million plus page
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views across social media, so just X and YouTube. Our videos were viewed 14.2 million times. Our
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And our premium subscribers grew by 30 percent, folks. So we are so excited to be part of the
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movement of independent press and independent journalism in Canada. We are on a mission to
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replace the CBC, and I think we're going to get there. I'm going to ask you just take a quick
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second and like this video. It really helps us with the YouTube algorithm. But it's not all good
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news because, as I'm going to report today, Canada has fallen in terms of world press freedom.
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So you know this and I know this, that Canada is not as free as we used to be. We don't have free
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speech like we used to. And now it's verified, not by a conservative group. This isn't just a
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right-wing talking point. This is a factual statement based on the World Press Freedom Index. So to talk
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about this a little more, I'm very pleased to be joined by my friend Sheila Gunn-Reed. Sheila is a
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journalist at Rebel News, Rebel Media, and she's the president of the Independent Press Gallery of
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Okay, well, I saw this on X, and it was really disappointing, but not surprising. So can you
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walk us through this Reporters Without Borders World Press Freedom Index?
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Sure. Yeah, the Reporters Without Borders, they put out an analysis of press freedom every single
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year. And it tracks government overreach, arrests of journalists, violence against journalists,
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and government censorship. And Canada now ranks 21st in the world with a score of 78.75. Now,
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the reason this is significant is that this is a huge drop from just 2024. In 2024, Canada was at 14th
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place. And overall, now this is what I think is really significant, is that, you know, how people
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used to talk about how mean Prime Minister Stephen Harper was to journalists. But journalists had a
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really good under Prime Minister Stephen Harper because we've dropped 13 places since 2015 when
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the Liberals took power. And that is post the Liberals dumping a pile of money on the mainstream
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media, bailout after bailout. This is post the government overreach into journalism. So we have
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to remember Bill C-11 that handed basic control of the internet over to the CRTC. So that's the
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broadcasting bureaucracy. This is post C-18. C-18, as you know, forced tech companies to bankroll
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failing legacy media outlets. And that prompted Meta to block Canadian news outright, right, where a lot
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of people consumed their news, but also where a lot of independent journalists were seeing their reach
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grow. And then now we've got Carney threatening to clean up online pollution, he says, is flowing our
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way from the Americans, which of course, is a euphemism for purging any sort of dissenting voices. So this
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is troubling. And this tracks with exactly the time the Liberals took power. Wow, I mean, it is scary. And
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just for that context, right, like even us at True North, they built a company called True North. And we had a
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huge audience on Facebook. That was our number one audience in terms of social media. Without warning,
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they just completely shut it off. We had to migrate over to YouTube. And thankfully, we've been able to
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build up a large audience on YouTube now. But it took a while, it took a few years of catching up. And,
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you know, again, thankfully, we have an email list as well. But if you don't, I mean, it's so easy to get
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cut off from your viewers. And that's the scary thing, right? Like when you have a government as
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tyrannical and opposed to basic freedoms, as we see with the Liberals, you never know what they're
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going to cut off next, never know what they're going to do next. I want to read what Mark Carney
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has to say on Press Freedom Day. So it was on Saturday. And he writes this on X. He says,
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a strong, independent and free press both defines and defends our values as Canadians. Now more than ever,
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we need to protect our public forums and defend strong and reliable Canadian voices. So there's
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so much you can read into that. Sheila, first of all, as we all know, Mark Carney banned independent
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reporters from any of his events through the campaign starting in Edmonton with his campaign
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launch. He even had the police get involved to do everything they could to stop independent
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reporters from asking questions. The only time throughout the entire campaign that independent
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journalists got to ask questions was at that leader's debate because we had a court order saying
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that we're journalists and they had to let us in. And now he says, now more than ever, we need to
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protect our public forums and defend strong, reliable Canadian voices. So all I read from that is he
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wants more power to shut down his adversarial voices and defend, meaning publicly fund journalism,
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which is pretty much exactly how we got into this mess. I also want to play from Mark Carney. This was a
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brief surface clip. This came up during the election campaign, April 10th, 2025. And this is a clip of
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Mark Carney basically saying the threat is from social media platforms. He says that they've become
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a sea of racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism, Islamophobia, and hate. And he says, my government
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Mark Carney. Large American online platforms have become seas of racism, misogyny, anti-Semitism,
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Islamophobia, and hate in all its forms. And they're being used by criminals to harm our children.
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So that's terrifying. What do you think of that?
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Well, I mean, he says large American platforms, but we know who he means. We know that he means
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X, which is the one place where people can still freely speak their mind. And it's where a lot
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of journalists are. So he's going to make sure that the journalists see exactly what he wants them
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to see. But I also think it's interesting, his focus, right? We know that WeChat meddled in at least
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the last two elections. And according to the site task force, this latest one, they were using it to
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target conservative candidates. And yet, nary a word about WeChat ever. If you are looking for a
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social media platform that is meddling in our democracies, targeting democracy voices, targeting
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Canadians, you would crack down on WeChat. But it's very clear that Mark Carney is insistent on coming
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down on X. And I'm worried about what that means. Because will that mean X is just going to say Canada
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is just not worth the hassle and not allow access to Canadians? I wonder. We saw what Meta did.
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Meta said, I'm not going to pay the shakedown. And so now Canadians are not allowed to post news
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links there. So I wonder what this means for us. But this is, I think, hinting at a renewed
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Online Harms Act. Well, it's interesting that they, you know, they talk, what we think about
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as free speech, what we think about as independent journalism, they think as like a threat to the
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democracy or like hate speech. And so they're literally, like, I can't imagine Canada, Canadian
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political discourse without Twitter or X. Like, I actually can't imagine so much of the conversation,
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so much of the dialogue, so much news is broken there. And it's almost like a collaborative form,
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right? Like, I scroll through X every morning to figure out what to talk about my show.
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I see, you know, tweets from you or tweets from other people in the space. And that's kind of how
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I get up to speed and what I want to dig into, what I want to research, what I want to talk about
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on my show. And the idea that that could just go dark because Mark Carney decides that, you know,
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it's bad for us is truly, truly terrifying. Well, and again, look at Mark, what Mark Carney's
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focusing on. Did he say that it was a direct attack on democracy, that the debates cancelled the
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media scrums actually never said really anything about that. He never said, you know, that he never
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had a problem with journalists having to fight the government to get into the debates. He, there's no
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possible way he is completely unaware that his campaign kept calling the police on journalists
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over and over and over again. And this isn't just targeting right-wing journalists or conservative
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journalists. We saw Kareem Assad, who I don't really know where she falls down on the political
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spectrum. And I kind of like it that way. She was basically persona non grata at Carney campaign
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events. And I don't think that's going to change. We haven't really seen him be open and accessible to
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independent journalists. They've had to shout their questions the way Chris Dacey has from the street
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or Alexa Lavoie last week from the street. I can't imagine that things are going to change for the
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better. Well, and there's, it's so tightly controlled, like folks might not understand
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this. Even for the election night, right? We tried to send Sue Ann Levy. Sue Ann is a professional
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journalist, a retired reporter for the Toronto Sun. I believe she wrote for the paper for some 30
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plus years, right? She is by every definition, a mainstream media journalist. Now she works for True
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North and they wouldn't let her in. They wouldn't let her in. And it really is like, if you're not
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part of the government funded journalist clique, like if you're not part of either the CBC or one
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of the other outlets that takes money from the government, they literally just won't let you in
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the building. I mean, it's honestly, it's almost like a communist system, right? They say it's free
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speech and premium of the press, but really it's controlled press because they only let people
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that they've previously given money to or screened or decided that they're part of the Canadian
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journalism establishment. They won't let anybody else in. And so it skews everything about Canadian
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politics. Like the entire election campaign, the narrative was set by the reporters in the room
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who were asking questions day in and day out. And you exclude half the country by excluding
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independent press and all of the people who get their news from us. And you're not really fighting a
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fair battle because they're fighting the issues. Both conservatives and liberals are fighting an
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election based on the left wing issues, the issues that the left wing media decide are the issues. And
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they're not talking about the issues that we care about and the things that we want to know about,
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the things that we're uncovering and digging up. And so it's just fundamentally unfair. And it's funny
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Well, I think they do because I think they know they lose on the issues that normal people care
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about. Crime, housing, immigration, cost of living, inflation. They know that if they are forced to
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campaign or argue or defend the liberal positions on those issues, they lose every single time. So
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how do you avoid talking about that? Well, you just make sure that the people who are going to ask
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those sorts of questions are no longer in the room. And I think we're also missing a really
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important part of this. And that is that the mainstream media, the taxpayer funded government
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money contaminated journalists are the enforcers in all of this because the government knows they
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can't enforce this directly a lot of times because that will result in a charter challenge. But you
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know who can enforce the exclusivity and the boring questions asked by the mainstream media? Well,
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that's the parliamentary press gallery. So they this is this little cabal of journalists who get
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together and say, we need exclusive access to these politicians. And so we can't let our
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competitors come in here and expose us for not doing the job that we're paid to do on behalf of
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Canadians. So they keep journalists like those at Rebel News out of the parliamentary press gallery.
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We don't get to ask the politicians questions. And the media continues to get worse and worse and worse.
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It's like watching it slowly circle the drain of a toilet bowl because it's just they keep doing
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things that reinforce just how bad they are. And the government keeps giving them money correcting
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them from getting the I guess the market correction they so rightly deserve. So I mean, you have to
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remember there's it's not just the government, there's this cabal of journalists that are acting as
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enforcers on behalf of the government. Well, it's so the most obvious the time that this is the most
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obvious, I think, is watching the CBC. I don't take any joy in watching the CBC. But when clips
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circulate, I pay attention. And I want to point to this interview that was done with Andrew Scheer,
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Conservative MP, and CBC's power and politics host David Cochran. This happened late last week,
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where they're talking about monetary policy, right? And sure, there's two schools of thoughts when it
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comes to monetary policy. There's sort of like the Keynesian liberal idea. And then there's more
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like the free market conservative ideals, right? So Andrew Scheer is talking about it from a conservative
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perspective. And David Cochran is fact checking him with false information. Okay, so this is a bit
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of a longer clip. It's about a minute long. I'm going to play it. And then I'm going to take a second
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to just reinforce again why David Cochran is just promoting liberal ideas. He's lying about what's
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happened. And he's pretending that he's the arbiter of truth. And he's trying to fact check a
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conservative MP. It's really unbelievable. Let's play that clip. I'm incredibly optimistic about
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our ability to build off of our gains this time. And I'm optimistic that we'll be able to finish
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the job in the next election. Right. But you're part of me not be able to rely on post-COVID
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inflation crisis that was fueled by, you know, war in the breadbasket of Europe. No, no, no. David,
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David, you know this. You know that inflation is caused when governments print money.
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Well, okay. That's what the liberals did. The liberals flooded the economy with brand new cash.
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There's nothing to do. They spent money. They didn't print money. The Bank of Canada did not
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increase the number of banknotes in circulation in the economy. They used settlement balances.
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They used settlement balances to buy government bonds to put liquidity. I'm not being dishonest.
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They created money out of thin air. They massively expanded the money supply. You know this.
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They did not permanently increase the money supply, Mr. Scheer. But anyway, I don't have an argument
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on monetary policy. They used settlement balances to buy bonds to lower interest rates to put liquidity
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into the banking system. And then they removed those settlement balances over time.
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Are you denying that there is more currency, whether it's digital or real, in the Canadian
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economy today? Are you denying it? I'm saying they use settlement balances and you're calling
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out money for it. There may be a small marginal increase, but, you know, it is not the... Anyway,
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Okay. So that sounded like a debate between a liberal MP and a conservative MP over monetary policy,
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but it wasn't. CBC is actively out there pushing the liberal line. Okay. And it's a distinction
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without a difference anyway. He's saying, oh, it was these settlements. So basically the idea is,
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yes, the government of Canada pushed a whole bunch of money out, but they have a plan to retreat it and
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pull it out eventually. So it's not the same as printing money, even though it has the same effect
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as printing money. And that is exactly what has caused inflation. That is what we can all agree on.
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And it was just so... To me, it was just so icky to see David Cochran just like really,
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you know, putting his... Digging his feet in. And I swear he has liberal talking points in front of
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him. He is repeating the lines that Mark Carney and Mark Carney's staff in office gave him to read.
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So it's like, you know, what's the point of even having liberal MPs? Why don't we just have CBC
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journalists debate conservatives on the issues? The idea that the CBC is any kind of, you know,
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a neutral platform or the people who get to fact check anyone else, they have absolutely no business
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fact checking because they don't have the facts on their side in the first place. What did you think
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of that? You know, it's as much as I regret having to see Andrew Scheer go through that, it's nice to
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see that we are not the only people that David Cochran lies about. As you know, David Cochran went on
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national TV and said that Rebel News accreditation had been revoked from the post-debate scrums.
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That was completely untrue. He maybe wasn't wise enough to keep his powder dry. I think that's
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what he had hoped his conversations with the debates commission would turn into. But I mean,
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this is what $1.4 billion and a promise to increase CBC funding by $150 million more buys you. It buys
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you a network that acts as the communications arm of the Liberal Party of Canada. There was absolutely
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no bias there. And you can, you can tell, you know, Andrew Scheer, or I'm sorry, there's absolutely
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no balance there. And you could tell that Andrew Scheer, it's almost as though his audio was turned
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down so that they weren't actually competing for the same set of years. It's so interesting. Yes. And
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our audience will know David Cochran very well by this point, because we showed many, many clips of
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him during the debates commissions and just the absolute hysterical meltdown that he had. I have one
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more clip of him. I'm not trying to pick on him, but well, I kind of am because he's so terrible.
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Yeah. He was speaking with Globe and Mail journalist Robert Fyfe. Robert Fyfe is supposed to be
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like the grandfather of Canadian journalism. He's the one that gets all the scoops and he's so stoic.
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And, you know, a lot of people on the conservative side like him because he'll break stories. He's an
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equal opportunist when it comes to breaking devastating stories about liberals and conservatives. But here he
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kind of like lets the masks slip a little bit. He's talking to David Cochran on the same show,
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power and politics. I don't even want to repeat what he calls Pierre Pauliev. I'll just,
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you can listen to it for yourself. Let's play this clip.
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You have MPs that have told me that they found it really difficult going door to door because a lot
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of people were saying, we like some of the policies you're doing, but we think your leader's a dick.
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And we, really? And we think he is, you know, I'm sorry, but that's what they're telling me.
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All right. I'm going to have some ombudsman's paperwork to fill out before I go home tonight.
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But yes, not in such language, but I have heard similar sentiments expressed from conservative candidates.
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Okay. So just first of all, the giddy laughing after laughing hysterically, right? Again,
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how are we supposed to believe that this is fair and balanced? This is the state broadcaster. This
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is why we have to pay $1.5 billion a year to get, first of all, foul language about the conservative
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leader. And let me just say to Robert Fyfe, okay, that is not journalism. You're talking about a
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secondhand account. He spoke to MPs who said that they were saying at the door that someone else
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said it. So someone else said it, an MP heard it, an MP passed it along to Robert Fyfe. He doesn't
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speak in specific enough terms for me to believe that that is a specific example, like saying,
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I have a specific example. I have it on tape. No, he's just speaking broadly. They're basically
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just mocking Pierre Pauliev, making fun of him, saying what they all say about him behind closed
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doors. And it was so shocking to, well, not so shocking, but so titillating to the CBC host and
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the other guests that they couldn't control their laughter. They're laughing like schoolgirls about
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it. Sheila, could you imagine if, I know this wouldn't happen, imagine if you got invited on
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the CBC and you said something like that about Mark Carney. I have a feeling that David Cochran
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wouldn't be laughing like that. And I have a feeling that you would not be invited back on the
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CBC if you did that about a liberal leader. What do you think? I think you could hear a pin drop
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after I had said something like that. But I'm from the prairies. We call what we just saw there a hen
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party. Usually involves middle-aged women with too much time on their hands, but apparently that's
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what amounts to a CBC panel these days. I wonder would that all cost us. Now, again, they're gossiping.
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This isn't news. This isn't journalism. This is gossiping. And again, I am skeptical now of
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everything Bob Fyfe says. And that again goes back to the debates. Because he went on TV and he said
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that independent journalists, yours and mine, were in the debates scrum acting up and acting wild. Instead,
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we were the victims of ongoing workplace harassment at the hands of the CBC and the other journalists in
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the room. But he went on TV and completely lied. Gossiped again. Didn't know anything firsthand.
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Just went on TV and gossiped. So now I know that about Bob Fyfe. I'm skeptical that any conservative
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MP actually talked to him about what they were hearing at the door. Because he just peddles in
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gossip third hand. Right. And if you are an MP watching this and you're conservative, don't trust
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the legacy media. What are you doing? Absolutely. Hopefully the conservatives will finally take the
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cue and just stop talking to the legacy media. I think Pierre Polyev did a pretty good job of this
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of just saying like, you know what, I don't need you. I'm going to go talk to other people. All right,
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Sheila, I can't let you leave the show without just asking you very quickly about what's happening
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in Alberta. Last week, Premier Danielle Smith made changes to the Citizens Initiative Act. And you hear a lot
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of people online talking about referendum and independence for Alberta. So what's your take
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on this whole thing? I think this is a long time coming. I've been around longer than I would like
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to admit. And the separatist movement in Alberta, it sort of ebbs and flows. The tide comes in and then
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the tide recedes. I know one of the biggest wet blankets on a separatist movement in Alberta was the
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election of Stephen Harper. Actually, it all sort of went away. And then it was rising when in the
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dying days of Rachel Notley's government. And then they got Jason Kenney and it all went away. And
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then it sort of came back when Jason Kenney wasn't exactly what everybody thought he would be. And then
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Daniel Smith came and it went away again. But you've got a lot of people in this province saying
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something has to change. There's a structural inequity that has gone back to the very beginning
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where in Alberta, we cannot vote blue any harder with the exception of a couple of historically left
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leaning ridings. Can't get any more conservative. And yet it gets us nowhere. And they do feel
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culturally incompatible with the rest of the country. They do feel like they are a distinct society out
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here. And I wouldn't say that they are wrong. Danielle Smith, I think, has done the right
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thing. She fixed a piece of legislation that was doomed to fail. It was a citizen-led initiatives
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act that you had to overcome an absolutely insurmountable barrier within 90 days. She's
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rolled that back to 10% of the last election's number of people who voted, which I think is
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about 170,000 as opposed to 600,000 before, and extended the time to collect signatures from 90
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days to 120. Now, I think this is fair. I think Alberta's future is whatever Albertans should so
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choose it to be. And I think Danielle Smith, without conceding that she's a separatist, and I don't
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think that she is, is, I think this gives people an opportunity to actually have their voice heard.
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And when you see, it's like 30% of people are like, yeah, we're, we'll go right now, thank you very
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much, without any overtures from the Americans to match our assets one for one. Once you start
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talking like that, I think that number just keeps going up and up. I think people write it off as
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fringe at their own peril. Wow. I think, I think, I think you're right. I've known Premier Smith for a
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long time, and she's never struck me as a separatist in any way. However, she is someone with a lot of
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integrity who really, truly cares about Alberta that will do whatever is best for Alberta, whatever
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it may be. So that's the story that we are keeping an eye on very closely. All right, Sheila. Well,
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thank you so much for your time and a great time to have you on the show. We'll have to have you on
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again soon. Thanks so much. Thanks, Candace. All right, that's Sheila Gunn-Reed. I'm Candace
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