The Candice Malcolm Show - CBC town hall shows why O’Toole must defund the CBC

00:00:00.320 Conservative leader Erin O'Toole takes part in an insane left-wing town hall on CBC,

00:00:04.660 proving once and for all why he must follow through with a pledge to defund Canada's state broadcaster.

00:00:09.300 I'm Candace Malcolm and this is the Candace Malcolm Show.

00:00:16.260 Hi everyone, happy Monday. Thank you so much for tuning into the show.

00:00:19.480 So it is Monday, one more week until election day, seven more days before Canadians will go to the polls,

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00:00:28.420 We have a really exciting live show planned for next Monday.

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00:00:46.900 So make sure you tune in for part or the whole evening will be there right until the end.

00:00:52.340 And until then, we will be following the election very closely.

00:00:54.680 We have an episode of this show coming out every day this week, just like we have throughout the entire election.

00:01:00.040 We also have lots of breaking news and exclusive stories over at TNC.news.

00:01:04.660 Really wall-to-wall coverage.

00:01:05.980 So you're going to want to check that out and continue to keep your eye on TNC.news to stay informed about the election,

00:01:12.420 to see the other side of the story, to hear reports that the legacy media is ignoring,

00:01:16.200 and also reports about that biased legacy media because no one else is doing it.

00:01:20.460 So if you've been watching TNC, watching the Candace Malcolm show, or you tuned in at all last week 20 of our coverage,

00:01:25.760 you'll know that I am very critical of the Debates Commission,

00:01:28.860 very critical of the way that the debates have been organized for this election.

00:01:32.700 I think it's been a total disservice to Canadians to just have that one lousy English debate,

00:01:38.200 the debate that was just so chock-full of left-wing causes, pet issues.

00:01:42.780 It was framed entirely around liberal issues.

00:01:45.500 And the way that it was structured, it was so hard to follow.

00:01:48.360 They were bouncing back and forth about the issues.

00:01:50.480 They weren't really letting Trudeau and O'Toole duke it out.

00:01:52.980 They kept changing the subject or allowing one of the other leaders to interject,

00:01:57.180 even though those other leaders are pretty much irrelevant when it comes to the possibility of becoming Prime Minister. 0.94

00:02:03.240 So it was just really, really silly.

00:02:05.120 On top of that, we had two French debates.

00:02:07.620 So we had the privately organized one on TVA, which is a large French-language news station,

00:02:11.620 and then we had the French debate on Wednesday.

00:02:14.260 So a lot of Canadians are wondering, why do French Canadians get two debates, English Canadians only get one.

00:02:19.380 All three of the debates were hosted in Quebec, so not really representative of the rest of the country.

00:02:24.740 Well, instead of more debates, we had a different kind of format.

00:02:28.020 CBC hosted a town hall.

00:02:30.140 So in theory, I like the idea of a town hall because it allows for a leader to be grilled, to get deeper into the issues.

00:02:37.040 And this one was billed as an opportunity to speak to undecided voters.

00:02:40.120 So presumably voters who might potentially vote for you, people who are on the fence.

00:02:44.420 When you think of undecided voters, you think of someone who, in some universe, might vote conservative.

00:02:49.120 So the four undecided voters that the CBC found to ask Erin O'Toole questions were all pretty openly left-wing.

00:02:55.040 They were all pretty openly progressive voters.

00:02:57.000 And the issues that they were asking about, the things they cared about, were things that liberal voters care about.

00:03:02.140 Now, we know this because True North commissioned our own poll last week.

00:03:05.480 We released it.

00:03:06.040 I was joined by Hamish Marshall, who helped break down that poll.

00:03:09.580 But one of the things that we learned is that depending on whether you're leaning liberal to vote liberal or leaning conservative to vote conservative, you care about very, very different issues in this election.

00:03:20.420 So if you were a liberal, according to our poll, you told us that the issues you care about are COVID-19 and climate change.

00:03:26.840 Those are the two big issues for liberal voters.

00:03:29.180 If you're a conservative voter or leaning conservative, the things that you care about are government debt and spending and jobs and the economy.

00:03:36.040 So really two different things.

00:03:38.340 And you can see by this town hall that the CBC did that it was framed entirely around the left-wing issues, the things that liberals care about, which is entirely what we've come to expect from the CBC.

00:03:47.820 So there really were two big red flags about this town hall for Erin O'Toole.

00:03:51.500 I said I like the concept in theory, but of course the CBC trusts the CBC to mess things up and make it awful.

00:03:57.360 So the first red flag is really just that it was organized by the CBC.

00:04:00.340 They have a far-left editorial position and they're run by the government, so their default position is always more government, federal government's job, spend more money, very top-down in their way of thinking.

00:04:11.340 The second red flag is that this event was hosted by none other than Rosemary Barton.

00:04:16.180 Rosemary Barton is a huge fan of Justin Trudeau.

00:04:18.800 She's done loving interviews with him where she basically fawns all over him and throws him softball questions. 0.99

00:04:24.760 She's taken selfies with him.

00:04:26.260 She's pretty open about how much she likes Justin Trudeau and she's also pretty open about the fact that she is a partisan liberal.

00:04:33.600 The way that she views the world, the way that she frames her questions is always from the liberal perspective, using liberal spin and liberal talking points.

00:04:41.320 And on top of all that, the CBC and Rosemary Barton hate conservatives so much that they actually sued the conservative party during the 2019 election.

00:04:48.680 It was over CBC claiming that there is copyright infringement because the conservatives used a clip of Rosemary Barton in a conservative political ad.

00:04:57.260 This is such a common practice where political parties take a clip from a news show to demonstrate something during an election that the judge threw this out.

00:05:06.480 So the CBC ended up losing the lawsuit, the conservatives ended up winning, and yet somehow Rosemary Barton comes out the other end still pretending to be a neutral, unbiased journalist.

00:05:16.740 I think most Canadians see through that, and especially most conservative voters, know better.

00:05:21.900 So I won't walk you through the entire town hall because it was so tedious and I wouldn't want to subject you to that, but I will just point out a couple of the questions that were asked.

00:05:31.340 So again, as I noted, the things that conservatives care about are jobs, the economy, and government spending.

00:05:36.540 None of that was really covered in this debate.

00:05:38.460 Instead, we heard from one voter who openly said that the top issues that he cared about were climate change and reconciliation.

00:05:45.080 Again, not issues that matter at all to conservatives, according to the poll that we did.

00:05:49.680 And the question that he ultimately asked was about child care.

00:05:53.100 This election, like previous elections, issues such as climate change and reconciliation will be big issues for me.

00:06:01.340 But for the first time ever, the issue of child care will also be a huge issue, helping decide who gets my vote.

00:06:10.800 So, Mr. O'Toole, what I'd like to hear from you is concrete solutions that your party is going to bring forward to deal with the growing cost of child care, particularly in Canada's big cities.

00:06:23.220 Again, I'm kind of hoping to know what your definition of the low-income bracket is.

00:06:29.320 Where is your cutoff for low-income families?

00:06:32.860 Can you put a number to that, Mr. O'Toole?

00:06:35.080 Numbers seem to be your platform's thing.

00:06:36.920 And again, the only reason that child care is a big issue in this election is because it's part of the liberal government's platform.

00:06:44.020 They're running on a campaign to massively increase the amount of money that they transfer to the provinces.

00:06:49.200 Now, child care is not a federal issue.

00:06:51.680 It's a local issue, if anything.

00:06:53.260 It's a provincial issue.

00:06:54.660 The idea that we should have a federal program sort of implies that the solution that would work for people who live in downtown Toronto would be the same thing that works for people who live in smaller towns across the prairies. 0.78

00:07:05.260 It really is kind of silly.

00:07:06.540 And secondary, it's based on this sort of pie-in-the-sky idea that everyone across the country can have the exact same daycare, that we're going to model it after the Quebec system, where everyone pays $10 a day.

00:07:16.580 The Quebec system doesn't even work.

00:07:17.940 There's huge lineups, and not everyone gets in.

00:07:19.920 So we're taking a provincial model that doesn't really work in Quebec, magnifying it so that it's across the whole country, and just assuming it will work, even though it didn't even work on the smaller scale.

00:07:29.440 Of course, none of that is mentioned, and Aaron O'Toole is just held to the impossible standard of Justin Trudeau, which he himself hasn't even met.

00:07:36.080 And then, of course, Rosemary Barton comes in with the liberal talking points, the liberal spin. 1.00

00:07:40.680 The liberal plan is to create a national child care program across the country.

00:07:44.000 It could apply to shift workers.

00:07:45.620 It doesn't have to be in schools.

00:07:47.380 So I guess I would go back to my question then around spaces.

00:07:50.980 You say it's going to be sort of the market that will create the...

00:07:53.460 How long is that going to take?

00:07:54.640 Surely that's going to take just as long as the liberals promise to create spaces over...

00:07:58.060 You can just see how she's not a conservative in any way, and she's just so skeptical and resentful of the conservative worldview.

00:08:05.080 She's so skeptical of markets.

00:08:07.520 Like, her worldview is so top-down that it has to be government-created. 0.97

00:08:11.240 Aaron O'Toole sort of flips that over and says,

00:08:13.180 Hey, look, we'll give more subsidies directly to parents. 0.80

00:08:15.760 We'll give tax breaks.

00:08:16.840 And then they'll have more money to put towards their own child care spots, choosing what's best for them.

00:08:21.900 And then, in turn, more daycares will open and more spots will be created.

00:08:26.600 So the next question comes from Taylor.

00:08:28.360 Taylor is a transgender woman from Winnipeg, so a biological male.

00:08:32.360 And her question is about what Aaron O'Toole is going to do to end bigotry and transphobia.

00:08:39.340 Let me just say this.

00:08:40.380 First of all, this is a very niche issue.

00:08:41.940 This is not top of mind to most Canadians.

00:08:44.460 And while, of course, we don't want to have bigotry in our society,

00:08:47.400 and we don't want for an individual to feel like they don't have their rights or their rights aren't protected,

00:08:53.020 there's just so many other issues in the country.

00:08:54.740 There's so much else going on there.

00:08:56.120 The fact that they found this one individual who's very much an outlier,

00:08:59.740 her issues are very different than the average issue of the average Canadian.

00:09:03.300 It just shows you the mind frame of the producers over at the CBC, what they think is important.

00:09:07.320 Hey, let's find a transgender person and basically have them shame Aaron O'Toole 1.00

00:09:11.160 and talk about how horrible Canadians are and how Canadians are hateful and bigoted and all this kind of stuff. 0.99

00:09:17.120 Look, this is just so out of touch. 0.91

00:09:18.700 I feel sorry for this individual, but this is not a federal issue.

00:09:22.200 This isn't the top of mind in an election, and it's just a little cringy to watch.

00:09:27.060 Hi, my name is Taylor.

00:09:28.380 I'm a 40-year-old transgender woman from Winnipeg, Manitoba.

00:09:31.200 Listen, Canadians are increasingly intolerant towards two-spirit, transgender, and non-binary individuals,

00:09:37.360 and Canada is not doing enough to give us the quality of living that we have the right to.

00:09:41.480 Like, I mean, all marginalized Canadians have a right to dignity, to respect, to safety,

00:09:46.400 but we're surrounded by abuse that's rooted in fear and archaic beliefs.

00:09:51.600 It's fueled by misinformation.

00:09:53.360 It's supported by systemic oppression and structural violence.

00:09:56.980 Like, as a transgender woman, my lived experience includes being stalked, harassed, defamed regularly by a network of bigots.

00:10:05.000 I've received death threats.

00:10:06.840 Like, in what universe is this acceptable?

00:10:08.460 So, as a leader, what do you plan to do to end bigotry and transphobia and ensure for all marginalized Canadians

00:10:17.060 the dignity, respect, and safety that is long overdue?

00:10:21.540 And, of course, Rosemary Barton jumps in to make it so much worse.

00:10:24.780 So, first, she completely botches what Bill C-6 was.

00:10:27.520 The whole idea, this is the conversion therapy ban, and the whole reason that the conservatives opposed it

00:10:32.480 is because it was so broad and overreaching that, basically, it would needlessly criminalize

00:10:38.380 the ability of a person to have normal conversations, normal conversations between children and parents,

00:10:44.640 children and teachers, when it came to transphobia.

00:10:47.300 So, this entire bill was created as a liberal trap, a wedge issue for conservatives,

00:10:52.360 because they knew that conservatives would say,

00:10:53.960 hey, this bill goes too far, we have an amendment, let's change it.

00:10:57.040 The liberals struck that down.

00:10:58.280 So, again, this is very much a liberal trap, and Rosemary Barton just sets it up 1.00

00:11:03.120 and follows all the liberal talking points, and the liberals have been very, very dishonest of the CBC

00:11:08.240 to include this in this way.

00:11:10.540 This was a piece of legislation that would make it illegal for people to be forced into conversion therapy

00:11:15.260 to deny them or try to erase who they are.

00:11:18.440 A majority of the conservatives, 62 MPs, voted against that.

00:11:24.080 You voted for it.

00:11:25.060 You believe that the ban should go in place.

00:11:27.480 If you are such a good leader, if you really can lead by example, convince people in your caucus

00:11:34.160 this is the right way forward, is this not evidence that you can't do it?

00:11:37.980 Okay, and the next question comes from an individual named Grace in Edmonton,

00:11:42.000 no occupation listed, and of course, she just cares about climate change. 0.73

00:11:46.080 Again, if you're a liberal voter, you care a lot about climate change.

00:11:48.780 If you're a conservative voter, less than 10% of conservative voters that we talked to in our poll

00:11:53.540 said that they care about climate change.

00:11:57.300 And so her line of questioning is basically, you have conservatives in your caucus,

00:12:01.700 what are you going to do with them?

00:12:02.940 Basically asking how liberal are you going to govern, here's what that looked like.

00:12:06.700 So I'll be basing my vote around the kind of government that we will elect,

00:12:10.900 because that will be hugely important to the steps we do or don't take

00:12:14.740 in confronting our biggest challenges.

00:12:16.880 My question to the leader of the conservatives is around the party that he leads

00:12:20.240 and what kind of government him and that party will form if they are to win.

00:12:25.040 My question is, given that your party and some of its members have,

00:12:28.920 in some cases in the past, taken some very different positions,

00:12:32.380 how will you, if you form government, handle party or even caucus members

00:12:37.120 who may feel your views aren't conservative enough?

00:12:40.340 I did read that a couple months ago back at the policy convention,

00:12:44.780 that a majority of the delegates did vote to reject adding statements like

00:12:49.780 climate change is real to the policy book.

00:12:52.980 So just using that as an example of perhaps a more delicate issue within the party,

00:12:57.440 how will you kind of deal with that?

00:12:59.380 And finally, we just did a little montage of Rosemary Barton,

00:13:02.460 because she had the opportunity to jump in on each of the individual questions.

00:13:05.340 And then she came and created her own line of questioning,

00:13:08.740 which again, really is just a one-on-one with a liberal activist.

00:13:12.580 This is the previous Paris candidates.

00:13:13.360 Then you can show ambition.

00:13:14.600 We now have new ones, right?

00:13:16.000 Mr. Trudeau changed his targets twice.

00:13:18.280 The world changed their targets.

00:13:20.020 The world changed their targets.

00:13:20.440 Mr. Trudeau changed Canada's targets twice.

00:13:22.180 You have to update the targets after two years.

00:13:24.340 You have to do that.

00:13:25.260 In the 10 days after we released our plan.

00:13:27.280 But how is restricting the Beretta storm weapon,

00:13:30.780 used at the Dawson College shooting, for instance,

00:13:33.300 how is that political?

00:13:34.840 What is the political decision that goes into restricting that firearm?

00:13:38.700 On what planet does that firearm need to be part of what is allowed in this country?

00:13:43.760 That doesn't sound like someone that's going to go around and enforce the Canada Health Act.

00:13:47.700 So if you are prime minister,

00:13:49.200 can someone pay to get access to a service faster than the rest of us who have to be on the wait list?

00:13:55.380 You say often that Justin Trudeau says one thing and does another.

00:13:59.320 As Grace has pointed out, the same thing could be said of you.

00:14:02.420 Whether it be the promise on a carbon tax,

00:14:05.580 whether it be some of your comments around guns,

00:14:08.160 and whether it be other things.

00:14:09.160 Sometimes I don't even know where you stand on an issue, to be frank.

00:14:13.020 And it sounds like Grace is in the same place as me.

00:14:16.220 If provinces want to allow for people to pay for services and not wait in line,

00:14:21.420 will you allow that to happen as prime minister?

00:14:23.560 People deserve an answer.

00:14:24.460 That's a super important question.

00:14:26.240 When you were running to be leader, though,

00:14:28.120 you talked a lot about taking back Canada.

00:14:30.260 That was just in August of 2020.

00:14:31.760 I didn't understand what you meant then.

00:14:34.160 I'm not sure I understand now.

00:14:35.780 But that, to me, that kind of language doesn't seem to be a uniting kind of language.

00:14:41.540 Do you feel like at times during the leadership run that you too contributed to creating division?

00:14:48.340 Why not require people to be vaccinated to get on a plane or a train?

00:14:52.580 You're vaccinated.

00:14:53.460 I'm vaccinated.

00:14:54.160 Why should I have to go on a plane and worry if the person next to me is or isn't?

00:14:59.760 Why is that person who won't get it done, and you want people to get vaccinated, you've said it,

00:15:05.360 why is it their right to come on a plane or a train and it's not mine?

00:15:09.840 Where is your ambition?

00:15:10.680 Why not have targets that you seek to meet instead of ones that we know that we will meet?

00:15:16.560 Because most people believe that we are now going to meet the emissions, the 30%.

00:15:19.720 Look, I'm for journalists asking politicians tough questions.

00:15:22.400 I'm for them holding their feet to the fire.

00:15:24.440 The problem here is that this didn't feel like an interview between a journalist and a politician.

00:15:28.900 It felt like a debate between two politicians.

00:15:31.080 It felt like a liberal activist peppering a conservative politician with unfair, biased

00:15:36.560 questions, leading questions, and really just the framing, the spin, the talking points.

00:15:41.820 It was very, very left-wing and very liberal.

00:15:44.460 I don't think a conservative stands a chance in an environment like this, and this is why

00:15:48.400 I don't think the conservatives should even bother to do events like this, because what

00:15:51.600 ends up happening is that Aaron O'Toole, just to get through the night, just to survive

00:15:55.640 the interview and being in the hot seat, he ends up moderating himself, putting forth

00:16:00.420 more left-wing talking points, and really turning off conservative voters, because if

00:16:04.280 you're a conservative voter on the fence between voting PPC and voting conservative,

00:16:08.420 and you see Aaron O'Toole up there, you know, just trying to answer those questions in a

00:16:12.760 fair way, but really he's being led so far to the left that it makes him come off as a

00:16:17.140 leftist, which is why this event is the best example of why.

00:16:20.420 If Aaron O'Toole wins this election and becomes the Prime Minister of Canada, he must immediately

00:16:24.980 follow through with that pledge and defund the partisan, liberal CBC.

00:16:29.240 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

The Candice Malcolm Show - September 13, 2021

CBC town hall shows why O’Toole must defund the CBC

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