The Candice Malcolm Show - May 08, 2025


CBC’s EMBARRASSING spin on Carney’s White House meeting, what would Canada look like without tariffs？


Episode Stats

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24 minutes

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191.12471

Word Count

4,706

Sentence Count

313

Misogynist Sentences

2

Hate Speech Sentences

1


Summary

In this episode, we talk to Bruce Pardee, a professor of law at Queen's University, about what Canada needs in order to be a truly free market economy. We also talk about the Trump tariffs and why they are bad for Canada.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in.
00:00:06.060 So we just did a segment with Bruce Pardee, professor of law at Queen's University,
00:00:10.280 talking about Alberta independence and what Canada really needs,
00:00:14.180 a sort of turmoil that might make us change for the better.
00:00:17.620 And I asked him to stick around for another segment because I want to talk to him about tariffs.
00:00:21.780 He had a piece in Epoch Times talking about the fact that free market people,
00:00:27.160 generally speaking, have an absolute revulsion towards tariffs.
00:00:31.960 And yet, in some cases, like he said, even with President Trump's tariffs,
00:00:36.180 they are actually useful and meaningful and have a sort of purpose.
00:00:40.060 So I wanted to talk to him a little bit about that. Bruce, thanks for sticking around.
00:00:43.940 Oh, great to be here, Candice. Thank you.
00:00:46.360 OK, so this is a really interesting conversation because we were just talking about Canada
00:00:50.900 and how it exists and the purpose of Canada, what is Canada.
00:00:53.540 And it seems to me that our economy is basically entirely intertwined with our government,
00:00:58.840 that like it's hard to even think of an industry in Canada that doesn't have the sort of clause of government in it.
00:01:06.260 And it used to sort of be maybe, I don't know, like a liberal policy that they would reward companies
00:01:12.600 and industries that they like with corporate welfare.
00:01:14.680 I don't see anything different happening in under conservatives like someone like Doug Ford, Premier of Ontario.
00:01:20.680 And so it seems to me that when President Trump came in and said Americans are done being taken advantage of,
00:01:26.360 we're going to hit everyone back with tariffs, the response from Canada ought to have been,
00:01:30.260 OK, we need to like tidy, like sort out our own affairs and maybe stop with all of these subsidies.
00:01:35.820 And yet the response from all the parties were let's go even more, double down even more with our own tariffs,
00:01:43.180 you know, countervailing tariffs, except for we were the ones that had tariffs in the first place.
00:01:46.180 So I'm wondering if you could just sort of help us understand what's happening here and what your thoughts and opinions are on this.
00:01:52.200 Yes, no, you're 100% correct.
00:01:57.860 Canada's response to these tariffs has been pretty rich in the sense that Canada has huge tariffs on its own imports,
00:02:09.200 especially and including from the United States.
00:02:12.180 And moreover, we have trade barriers between our own provinces.
00:02:16.880 And so the Canadian response to the Trump tariffs, which was a sort of a haughty, you know,
00:02:22.480 tariffs are always bad for both sides, you know.
00:02:25.900 Well, you either believe that or you don't.
00:02:28.420 And if you believe it, then why do you have tariffs already that pre-exist the new Trump tariffs?
00:02:35.240 So the whole thing is political gamemanship.
00:02:40.460 You should not take what they say at face value.
00:02:43.240 It's not what they really mean.
00:02:44.160 Well, I'm sorry, go ahead, go ahead.
00:02:47.440 No, I was going to say, and you're absolutely correct,
00:02:50.320 that the proper economic response to the Trump tariffs would have been to re-examine what this country does
00:02:57.460 and to see if Trump has a point.
00:02:59.300 And I think he does.
00:03:00.880 I think he does.
00:03:01.660 So if it had been done sensibly, one would have decided, for example, to dismantle the Canadian supply management system.
00:03:15.560 Just one example of the kinds of trade restrictions that exist.
00:03:20.740 But, of course, that can't be done politically.
00:03:23.700 That's, you know, a sacred cow.
00:03:25.520 And so you have to keep on going down the path that you're on.
00:03:29.480 And the path that you're on is, well, we're going to retaliate with our own tariffs, which are silly because that's going to hurt your own people, first and foremost.
00:03:39.780 It's not going to make nearly as big an impact on the Americans as the American tariffs do on us.
00:03:44.500 So it is political gamemanship as far as I'm concerned.
00:03:50.980 Well, but it's not even just supply management.
00:03:52.880 Like, you know, we hear a lot of grumblings.
00:03:54.900 Actually, Maxime Bernier, in some ways, the People's Party was founded on this idea because when he was running for conservative leader,
00:04:00.060 he wanted to do away with the milk dairy quotas that exist.
00:04:03.280 And Andrew Scheer sort of famously courted those dairy farmers and was able to win in Quebec,
00:04:07.220 which is why he became leader of the Conservative Party on, like, the 17th ballot by half a percentage point.
00:04:11.600 Like, it was incredibly close.
00:04:12.960 And so Maxime Bernier went his own way for a number of other reasons as well.
00:04:17.560 But, you know, that's the one that conservatives and, I guess, free market thinkers talk about a lot.
00:04:23.140 But when you look at Canada's, like, entire, like, the big companies in Canada and the big industries,
00:04:29.280 they're all in some ways federally regulated to get special advantages, whether you're talking about the airlines,
00:04:34.520 like, Air Canada doesn't see a lot of competition, the banks.
00:04:38.080 This was a dispute that Trump would talk about whether or not American banks were all,
00:04:41.420 yeah, sure, you can have an American credit card.
00:04:43.220 But when it comes to, like, consumer banks, you know, you don't walk down the street and see a Wells Fargo or a Chase.
00:04:48.560 You see a TD and an RBC and those kind of things.
00:04:51.840 Like, or you could talk about telecommunications and, you know, Bell and Rogers.
00:04:55.880 Like, there isn't competition from American companies.
00:04:59.220 And if there were, the Canadian companies probably just wouldn't really exist, right?
00:05:04.020 And so it's kind of an interesting question.
00:05:06.500 I was talking to someone who was all, I don't know if you remember a couple of years ago,
00:05:10.020 Target, which is a big American retailer, came into Canada and it was this big, exciting thing.
00:05:14.220 I know a lot of people who do their household shopping at Target in the States.
00:05:18.040 I know even people in Canada who literally drive across the border to go to Target.
00:05:21.820 It's such a great store, right?
00:05:22.860 So people were really excited when it was coming to Canada.
00:05:24.740 And then it came to Canada, it was terrible.
00:05:26.600 It was a total flop and the shelves were half empty and all the great things about Target that you loved when you, you know, go do it down in the States.
00:05:33.260 It wasn't there in Canada.
00:05:35.340 And, you know, talking to someone who was involved in the deal, I basically said, you know,
00:05:39.040 we were told that Canada, that we were entering into this 40 million person market and it was a huge opportunity for us.
00:05:45.860 But then we got there, we realized that really what it was, was like a 13 million person market Ontario and then a whole bunch of other markets we didn't really understand.
00:05:54.000 And that basically exactly what you were describing, that the interprofessional trade barriers make it so that we're not one market, we're divided up into many markets.
00:06:03.840 And so all this is to say that it seems like without this weird, you know, cask-esque system that we've created with regards to so many rules in our economy, like without restrictions, I know, again, former Prime Minister Justin Trudeau apparently said to Donald Trump,
00:06:19.900 if we didn't have all these subsidies, we wouldn't exist as a country, like Canada would be finished.
00:06:25.400 And Trump loves to repeat that line.
00:06:27.540 You know, it's not something that Canadian politicians ever say to the public in Canada, but it's sort of an interesting concept.
00:06:33.020 What do you think?
00:06:34.620 Some say the bubbles in an aero truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.
00:06:39.660 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.
00:06:43.320 Rich, creamy, chocolatey aero truffle.
00:06:46.160 Feel the aero bubbles melt.
00:06:48.200 It's mind bubbling.
00:06:49.900 Yes, I agree.
00:06:51.540 So this is part of the, this is part of the angst in the Canadian, in the Canadian character, if you like.
00:06:58.560 We are dependent on the United States, economically, militarily, even culturally.
00:07:06.120 We depend on them.
00:07:07.460 They're, they are our market.
00:07:11.000 And so we can't, we can't function without them.
00:07:14.360 And yet we think we're against them in some kind of cultural sense.
00:07:18.060 And so this is like a kind of cultural schizophrenia, right?
00:07:23.040 We love them when we hate them.
00:07:24.320 We hate them because we love them.
00:07:26.120 We hate them because we need them.
00:07:29.420 Canada is becoming a managed society.
00:07:34.820 Our economy is managed.
00:07:37.060 Yes, it is.
00:07:37.940 We are, our economy is full of protectionism.
00:07:40.440 So people who think, oh, well, you know, Canada is essentially a capitalist society.
00:07:46.420 I don't think so.
00:07:47.940 When we have property, in a sense, but our property is not as much of a liability as an asset because of the way our, our governments regard it as a thing to be taxed and regulated and controlled and directed.
00:07:59.440 So we are a long way off.
00:08:03.860 We've fallen a long way from what it is that we think that we are, or at least what we think we were.
00:08:11.160 And it is going to take a kind of economic and cultural earthquake to wake a lot of us up, to realize what we've come to.
00:08:23.740 Our response to the tariffs is just one of the reflections of that reality.
00:08:30.660 Well, I mean, this should be a wake-up call, right?
00:08:33.660 Like this entire Trump episode should have been a wake-up to Canadians that something needs to change instead.
00:08:38.020 I think Canadians have the opposite reaction, which is we need to like all double down on this.
00:08:42.100 I'll give you a quick example.
00:08:43.760 President Trump announced earlier this week really kind of a devastating move for the Canadian film industry.
00:08:48.540 He said the movie industry in America is dying a very fast death.
00:08:51.340 Other countries are offering all sorts of incentives to draw our filmmakers and studios away from the United States.
00:08:56.220 Hollywood and many other areas within the U.S. are being devastated.
00:08:59.500 And so he goes on and he basically just announces an immediate 100% tariff on any and all movies coming into our country that are produced in foreign lands.
00:09:07.860 We want to make movies in America.
00:09:09.560 Again, okay, this is completely true, right?
00:09:11.920 Like I grew up in Vancouver.
00:09:13.980 I have a lot of friends that are in the movie industry.
00:09:15.800 And I've been watching it since its inception.
00:09:18.320 And it was a government creation, right?
00:09:19.760 The whole idea was that they bribed these movie studios to film movies up in Vancouver just to create jobs.
00:09:25.860 It was a make work program.
00:09:26.760 And oftentimes the government will be spending more money on these subsidies than the jobs would even create, right?
00:09:32.760 And so this is something that's been propped up for, I don't know, 20 years.
00:09:35.600 And oftentimes, again, like companies will take advantage of it.
00:09:39.080 It's like we get the tax credit for three years and the idea is that they stick around and then the tax credit ends and the company just up and moves.
00:09:45.160 And so Trump is just saying, like, you can't do this.
00:09:48.300 We're going to hit you back.
00:09:49.200 So it was Canada subsidizing in the first place, Trump hitting back with the counter tariff in response.
00:09:55.340 And then our response again is, okay, then we're going to do something else.
00:09:58.160 And even, you know, someone who used to, I consider, used to be a friend of at least conservatives and free market ideas, premier, former premier of Alberta, Jason Kenney.
00:10:07.280 And he kind of, like, down on this idea, he wrote on X, proud of the work at his premier massively to expand Alberta's film and television industries.
00:10:15.280 And so, like, the idea was that he was proud of, what, subsidizing companies to come up to Canada?
00:10:21.340 Like, that's, like, why is that the role of a conservative premier?
00:10:24.320 I don't understand.
00:10:25.140 I don't understand it either.
00:10:26.420 And so the analogy I like to use, and I use this in the piece that you referred to off the top.
00:10:31.960 So let's imagine, forget the border, forget the different country for a minute.
00:10:35.120 Just imagine you have two businesses in a small town, and they sell the same stuff.
00:10:41.580 And one of them is subsidized, okay?
00:10:46.000 We don't think that's okay because it places the other one at a disadvantage.
00:10:50.260 That's not the rule of law.
00:10:51.500 That's favoritism.
00:10:53.280 And so to fix that, you either have to take the subsidies away or you have to give the other company subsidies as well.
00:10:59.840 So everything's equal, right?
00:11:01.780 And the only difference here is those competitors are in different countries.
00:11:07.940 And one of the countries is giving their company subsidies.
00:11:12.680 That's not a level playing field.
00:11:15.720 And if you're Trump, you say, I see what you're doing.
00:11:19.100 You are placing our competitors at an economic disadvantage.
00:11:23.840 It's not a level playing field.
00:11:25.320 I'm putting tariffs on.
00:11:27.260 I think that's a fair response.
00:11:29.140 If our industries, like the film industry that you're referring to, cannot exist without government subsidies, then it cannot exist because it's not competing well.
00:11:42.940 If you really want to succeed, you compete on a level playing field and you beat the competitor who's also not getting subsidies.
00:11:50.440 And if you can't do that, then you fail.
00:11:53.000 Right.
00:11:53.860 And it's almost like a double subsidy because the Canadian dollar is also lower, right?
00:11:57.420 For these American studios, they come up to Vancouver and they're paying 60, 70 cents on the dollar.
00:12:02.160 That's the subsidy in itself in a way, maybe not intentional, but that's just how the market is right now.
00:12:07.580 But then on top of that, you get the government of British Columbia film credits, the government of Canada film credits.
00:12:12.120 It actually drives me crazy.
00:12:13.300 This is like a minor pet peeve of mine.
00:12:15.340 I have little kids and they watch some TV.
00:12:17.500 And one of the shows that they love is a show called Bluey and it's about an Australian dog and it has some film credits from Australia.
00:12:23.820 But the show is like basically like a walking ad for Australia.
00:12:27.980 Like it showcases Australia culture and it gets you excited about the idea of, you know, and now they have all kinds of tours.
00:12:34.260 Australia can go and do like Bluey stuff.
00:12:36.200 And so at least you could argue that there's some value to the country for having this like hugely popular children's television show.
00:12:41.740 And you compare that to Paw Patrol, which is a Canadian show, and it gets all the same kind of film credits and all kinds of, even though it's like a massively astronomically popular, successful show that's been around for like a decade.
00:12:53.360 And yet when you watch that show, you'd have no idea it was Canadian because they don't even mention Canada.
00:12:57.340 They don't even pretend to have a Canadian identity at all.
00:12:59.560 That's just out of its sight.
00:13:00.580 If we're going to put money into something, you might as well actually like you get something for it and have some kind of a Canadian identity.
00:13:06.840 They don't at all.
00:13:08.480 But it just it's like, yeah, why does the government have to be involved in every industry?
00:13:14.660 And this is a second pet peeve of my views.
00:13:16.740 And I don't want to draw you down into this media well.
00:13:19.540 But if you if you look at YouTube after Carney and Trump had their bilateral, the reviews were pretty devastating for Mark Carney.
00:13:27.580 Everyone was pointing out not just YouTube, but X, anywhere on social media, people were pointing out how uncomfortable Carney looked, how Donald Trump played him, how it was like a game of, you know,
00:13:36.700 if anyone who's read The Art of the Deal, how Trump just really outplayed him.
00:13:40.000 He embarrassed him.
00:13:41.000 He was speaking all these things that Carney said that he didn't say anymore.
00:13:44.600 He was saying them again about 50 for a state and all this stuff.
00:13:47.600 Anyway, if you were in social media, you would and you didn't see the meeting itself.
00:13:51.700 You would assume it went very badly for the Canadian prime minister.
00:13:54.460 If you're watching the legacy media, however, it's like a totally different picture.
00:13:58.520 So I had my producer here just do a scan of like some of the headlines and some of the clips.
00:14:03.000 And it's really just like remarkable, the propaganda at work here.
00:14:07.880 So, you know, Toronto Star here headline.
00:14:10.440 We got the first glimpse of the new Carney-Trump relationship.
00:14:13.860 Our guy sounded pitch perfect.
00:14:16.440 CBC, I like this guy.
00:14:19.260 Carney gets warm words from Trump.
00:14:20.960 The rest has to wait.
00:14:23.120 Another CBC headline.
00:14:24.520 Carney tells Trump Canada is not for sale.
00:14:26.640 President praises PM as a very good person.
00:14:29.540 And then I'll just show a quick clip here.
00:14:33.820 So this is a CBC analyst, Catherine Cullen, celebrating Mark Carney's use of humor to diffuse tension at the meeting, praising his facial expressions as he sat awkwardly with the president.
00:14:47.240 Let's play this clip.
00:14:48.980 I did think the way he tried to use his sense of humor to diffuse the situation was striking.
00:14:55.640 And it does hold some significance.
00:14:57.620 Let's take a look at another moment where that is on display, where Donald Trump is again asked about this idea of a 51st date.
00:15:05.400 Mark Carney has said, no, thank you.
00:15:06.820 But Trump isn't relenting.
00:15:08.360 Let's watch and watch Mark Carney's face here.
00:15:10.960 Now they're stepping it up.
00:15:12.100 And that's a very important thing.
00:15:13.580 But never say never.
00:15:14.700 Never say never.
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00:15:23.460 He's laughing, Heather, right?
00:15:24.660 He's sort of like wiggling in his eyebrows a little there.
00:15:27.420 He's doing a little.
00:15:28.280 Way too jealous, yeah.
00:15:29.220 That's it.
00:15:29.900 But I think this is significant because it was clearly something of a strategy to try to diffuse the tension.
00:15:37.520 Okay, so I just have one more.
00:15:38.880 Another CBC reporter, Aaron Collins, praising Mark Carney again for his facial expressions.
00:15:43.460 Let's play this clip.
00:15:44.500 After Carney said Canada's not for sale, the president, he continues insisting that, you know, Canada could be had.
00:15:51.740 But just watch what the prime minister does here.
00:15:55.580 Now they're stepping it up, and that's a very important thing.
00:15:58.500 But never say never.
00:15:59.600 Never say never.
00:16:04.620 So you can see it's quick there, but he's very quietly mouthing the words never.
00:16:11.760 He's looking away from the president, but he's careful not to insult the president while doing this.
00:16:16.580 So firm, but polite, no easy task.
00:16:19.280 It's a very Canadian strategy, Andrew.
00:16:21.560 Well, trying too hard.
00:16:23.140 What did you think of that, Bruce?
00:16:24.340 But it doesn't matter how, you know, if they're right or wrong in their opinion.
00:16:30.780 The fact of the matter is that the CBC is one of the best examples of the kind of thing
00:16:35.220 we're talking about, right?
00:16:36.400 The CBC is a government institution.
00:16:39.600 So nobody in their right mind ought to listen to anything they have to say.
00:16:44.540 It doesn't matter if they're right or wrong.
00:16:46.100 You start off in a deficit because they are funded, in this case of the CBC, entirely
00:16:52.940 by the government.
00:16:54.960 It's a government mouthpiece.
00:16:56.480 That's what it's become.
00:16:57.900 And of course, our legacy media, although they are not government institutions per se, they
00:17:03.960 are also now getting funded by the federal government.
00:17:06.300 And so they are discrediting themselves, in my view.
00:17:09.200 They are like the other industries we referred to before, which are managed by government.
00:17:16.840 And so you don't have a free market in journalism either.
00:17:19.900 We certainly don't.
00:17:25.700 And we saw even during the campaign, I mean, we had Preston Manning write to the ethics
00:17:29.740 commissioner saying it was a conflict of interest for Mark Kearney to pledge an extra
00:17:32.900 $150 million to the CBC during the campaign.
00:17:35.300 That's a pretty clear example, I think, of a conflict of interest.
00:17:38.440 They had no interest in following that, basically dismissed it.
00:17:40.960 But we also saw that the News Media Act, the one that made Google pay $100 million, it was
00:17:47.280 basically a shakedown saying, give us this money in order to operate in Canada.
00:17:50.220 That money was given to the Canadian government.
00:17:52.100 They distributed it to news outlets during the election campaign.
00:17:55.780 So the big newspapers, including wire services like the Canadian press, all got millions and
00:18:00.540 millions of money from the government during the election campaign.
00:18:04.760 So it used to just be CBC that we would worry about.
00:18:07.260 And now it's almost everybody in the legacy media, almost anyone, every newspaper, even
00:18:12.740 the private, you know, CTV, global, everyone's got their hand in the jar when it comes to
00:18:18.980 government subseasons.
00:18:19.880 It's like, how can a reporter, how can anyone who claims to be a journalist operate in good
00:18:24.240 faith knowing that they're funded by the government and not even the government, like one political
00:18:29.000 party that's pushing this?
00:18:30.200 It's an attack on our democracy and our free press.
00:18:35.420 And yet it's, you know, the lazy media love to talk about attacks on democracy, but never
00:18:39.960 when it comes to this kind of thing.
00:18:43.740 Yes.
00:18:44.300 Well, I agree with you, but the real problem is that it seems to be okay with the people.
00:18:50.600 That Canadians do not, on the whole, I don't mean that everybody's of the same mind, but
00:18:58.940 on the whole, Canadians do not seem to be upset about this and so many other things about
00:19:05.380 the big picture in this country.
00:19:06.860 Well, I, yeah, I completely agree that people, this should have been a wake up call.
00:19:11.240 Unfortunately, it wasn't.
00:19:12.240 I want to just bring in one other topic, Bruce.
00:19:14.320 I don't know if you're interested in this at all, but I am.
00:19:16.060 One of the things that I really loved about what happened in the U.S. 2024 election was
00:19:20.880 the Maha movement, the Make America Healthy Again movement.
00:19:23.800 I think it started as like a bunch of moms on Instagram that were kind of worried about
00:19:27.600 like the things that were in our kids' food, and I was one of those moms for sure.
00:19:31.580 And it's grown into this huge movement.
00:19:33.620 Well, yesterday we learned that President Trump has appointed Dr. Casey Means to be the next
00:19:40.400 Surgeon General of the United States.
00:19:42.080 So you might not know who she is.
00:19:43.140 Casey Means wrote a book called Good Energy, and I would say that this book is like my
00:19:47.840 Bible, but of course the Bible is my Bible.
00:19:49.560 But when it comes to health, I love this book so much.
00:19:52.040 I bought like 30 copies of it, and I gave it to like everyone in my family, all my friends,
00:19:56.760 and even my staff for Christmas because I thought it was just such an important book.
00:20:00.420 It's something that I live by, and I'm such a huge fan of Casey Means.
00:20:04.260 She's a young doctor.
00:20:05.140 She's in her 30s, and she was trained at Stanford and basically just completely revolted against
00:20:10.420 the system, became like a holistic medicine person who advocates for good metabolic health
00:20:16.200 and kind of walks people through how to achieve that.
00:20:18.600 And so the idea that someone like this would be placed in a position like this, I think,
00:20:21.900 is just truly exceptional and wonderful.
00:20:24.040 And I'm so excited to see what will happen.
00:20:26.400 So congratulations, Dr. Casey Means.
00:20:28.380 And I think this is such a good sign.
00:20:29.880 It doesn't really impact Canada, except for of course it will, because if the United States
00:20:32.980 is able to clean up its food industry, get rid of a lot of the sort of very troublesome
00:20:37.660 products and things that get placed in our foods, chemicals, and all that kind of stuff,
00:20:42.620 I think that it will have a positive impact on Canadians as well.
00:20:45.840 So I don't know if you wanted to comment on this, but I'm very excited about it.
00:20:50.200 Yeah.
00:20:50.680 So again, back to the big picture.
00:20:52.500 So here's the irony in a way, if you like.
00:20:55.180 So one of the claimed purposes of governments is to protect us from the things that big,
00:21:04.380 bad corporations do.
00:21:05.940 And yet what's actually happened is that governments and big corporations have been colluding to
00:21:11.300 impose things on us.
00:21:12.820 And part of the project that's now being carried out, or at least attempted in the U.S.
00:21:18.740 is to get government out of it so that people can then choose for themselves again.
00:21:25.520 Exactly.
00:21:26.240 Right?
00:21:27.260 And we'll see, we'll have to see over time how that project goes, but that's the project
00:21:33.280 that has started in the U.S. and has not started in Canada.
00:21:38.500 Oh, tell me about it.
00:21:39.220 Even when I go to my local organic market in, you know, not a big city, but just outside
00:21:45.200 the city, I go to a local organic market and I can't find bread that doesn't have like
00:21:49.760 50 ingredients, including a whole bunch of chemicals that I can't pronounce.
00:21:52.860 Like you can't even find it.
00:21:54.580 You can't even find like organic cheeses or anything like that.
00:21:57.640 So it's like, it kind of is a market problem.
00:22:00.500 But to your point, it's because governments have allowed corporations to collude and create
00:22:05.800 all kinds of things.
00:22:06.860 Like their priority is not actually having a healthy population or making sure the kids
00:22:10.640 are healthy.
00:22:11.380 Their priority is just making money for themselves.
00:22:13.720 It's so disgusting.
00:22:14.800 And part of the reason you can't find bread to your liking is that the people who make
00:22:20.080 the products, going back to our supply management point, the people who make the products, you
00:22:25.760 know, including the cheese and the milk and the eggs all have to be licensed.
00:22:29.820 They're all government approved.
00:22:31.420 You can't just go to a local producer and say, you know, you have stuff that I want.
00:22:34.900 And I have money that you want.
00:22:35.920 Let's make, let's, let's transact.
00:22:38.280 Government won't allow that for the very reason that our economy is managed.
00:22:42.900 No, you're so right.
00:22:43.700 And even I, this is just another anecdote, but I went to a Whole Foods, I had to drive
00:22:47.160 like 45 minutes to get to the closest Whole Foods.
00:22:49.680 And I noticed that the shelves were like half empty there, right?
00:22:52.100 This is a big American organic grocery store they brought into Canada.
00:22:55.240 They have a couple of locations.
00:22:56.700 And so I spoke to just, you know, the guy that was stocking the shelves.
00:22:59.880 I'm like, what's happening here?
00:23:00.940 Why can't I find all the stuff that I find if I'm in the Whole Foods in the US?
00:23:04.200 And he's like, it's hard to find suppliers because, you know, you have to translate
00:23:08.540 everything into French.
00:23:09.620 So the labeling, a lot of our, you know, a lot of our suppliers in the US just don't,
00:23:14.440 there's no, it's not worthwhile financially for them to create all new packaging just
00:23:18.720 to set it up to Canada.
00:23:19.800 So it's exactly your point.
00:23:21.840 It's because of these crazy government regulations that even in a place where there aren't French
00:23:26.480 speakers, they still have to put French on all the boxes and all the labels.
00:23:30.160 All right, Bruce, I always enjoy the conversation.
00:23:31.720 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:23:33.180 It's been a pleasure.
00:23:34.200 Oh, thanks, Candice.
00:23:34.980 Always a pleasure.
00:23:35.620 Thanks.
00:23:35.900 All right.
00:23:36.140 Hope to see you again soon.
00:23:36.860 That is Bruce Party, Professor of Law at Queen's University.
00:23:40.080 I'm Candice Malcolm.
00:23:40.640 This is the Candice Malcolm Show.
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