The Candice Malcolm Show - January 31, 2024


Christians are being targeted in Canada – where’s the outrage？


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Candice Malan talks about Tucker Carlson's recent visit to Canada and what he had to say about the treatment of Christians in the country. She also talks about the burning of over 90 churches across the country and what that says about our society.

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00:00:00.000 Why does it take an American journalist and pundit, Tucker Carlson, to point out obvious truths about Canada?
00:00:06.700 Why is he the only one talking about the evils of our country's euthanasia program?
00:00:11.240 Why is he the only one talking about the rot in our society where we encourage and even pay for young Canadians to use deadly and harmful drugs? 0.98
00:00:18.720 We allow our government to trample on our rights and freedoms, rip apart our history and our traditions,
00:00:24.900 and we do nothing when over 90 churches are vandalized or burnt to the ground.
00:00:30.120 There is something deeply wrong here in Canada.
00:00:32.640 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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00:01:04.660 Okay, so as you saw, we had Tucker Carlson in town.
00:01:07.720 He was in Calgary and Edmonton last week.
00:01:09.700 Gave tremendous speeches in front of huge, huge live audiences.
00:01:13.820 The number of people that came out to see Tucker in person was tremendous.
00:01:17.440 It was inspiring.
00:01:18.160 He was joined by some of the greatest Canadians alive.
00:01:21.860 We're talking about Jordan Peterson, Conrad Black, we had Brett Wilson out there.
00:01:25.880 It looked like a great time.
00:01:27.560 Our own reporter, Rachel Emanuel, introduced Tucker at one of those events.
00:01:31.780 So we were pleased to be a part of it in some small way.
00:01:34.580 You know, I don't always agree with Tucker.
00:01:36.660 I don't always agree with people he interviews or the way he interviews.
00:01:39.860 But I did really appreciate what he had to say in Canada.
00:01:42.960 Sometimes it does take an outsider to come in and point out the truth, point out the facts, things that people are too shy or too afraid to say.
00:01:51.440 You know, a lot of the topics that he brought up, like euthanasia, like the fact that we give drugs or we legalize drugs and allow young people to use terribly deadly drugs.
00:01:59.520 What does that say about us as a society?
00:02:01.820 I think Canadians, generally speaking, are too polite, maybe too horrified to talk about these things.
00:02:08.280 They're just too sad and too hard.
00:02:10.360 And Tucker brought that up.
00:02:11.580 I want to zero in on something specific that Tucker talked about when he was talking about how Canada treats its Christians, how Canada treats Christian pastors, Christian churches.
00:02:23.540 And basically, again, what that has to say about our society.
00:02:27.580 So I'm going to play a bit of a longer clip here.
00:02:29.680 This is from his speech on January 25th, talking about the treatment of Christians in Canada.
00:02:35.660 Take a look.
00:02:36.500 But take a look at what they're doing to your Christians. 1.00
00:02:39.940 And I say this for a couple of, I am a Christian, but that's not why I'm telling you this.
00:02:43.660 I'm telling you this because there's kind of no more inoffensive and peaceful group in the world than the Christians. 1.00
00:02:50.780 In fact, there isn't.
00:02:51.400 But their religion tells them, commands them to turn the other cheek and to put the concerns of others above their own concerns.
00:02:59.940 So if you have a problem with those precepts, explain it to me.
00:03:02.220 Speak slowly so I can understand.
00:03:04.160 I think every person in this room, regardless of your faith, can agree, yeah, I'm for that.
00:03:09.040 I wish I was more like that.
00:03:10.240 That's good.
00:03:10.760 We need more of those people in society.
00:03:12.760 Serve others for the sake of service.
00:03:14.560 So if you're hassling that group, maybe you've got another agenda that we should be concerned about, even if we're not in that group.
00:03:22.780 If we burn 90 of their churches to the ground and the prime minister and his little weird buddies are endorsing that, burning churches?
00:03:34.980 If you're on the side of burning churches, let me just say I don't need any other facts of the case, you're on the wrong side.
00:03:40.040 If you're throwing preachers in prison for preaching the Christian gospel, not for hurting anyone, not for making pipe bombs, not for trying to castrate other people's children, not for importing millions of people into your country who are not going to have work,
00:03:57.500 just for the crime of preaching the Christian gospel, you go to jail at the same time when they're encouraging your kids to do drugs and not just fentanyl but weed. 0.60
00:04:09.280 Don't raise your hand if you have a 15-year-old son, but come up to me after and tell me what you think of legalized weed.
00:04:15.400 For real.
00:04:16.180 And if you have a 15-year-old son, you know exactly what I'm talking about.
00:04:18.960 They did that to you and to your son on purpose.
00:04:21.540 And so in a country like that, in a world like that, if you think that preaching the gospel is so dangerous that the people who do it need to be in prison in shackles,
00:04:34.080 you're serving someone other than the people of Canada, if you know what I mean. 0.52
00:04:38.060 So again, Tucker is absolutely right, and he's right to point this out.
00:04:41.480 I am happy to say that although some of the other issues that Tucker touched on, talking about euthanasia, Canada's drug policies,
00:04:49.220 we don't often talk about those things in public forums, and we don't have those sort of policy debates in our country, unfortunately.
00:04:57.800 When it comes to the treatment of Christians, when it comes to the burning of churches and the arresting of pastors,
00:05:03.780 horrible, horrible treatment of pastors, again, for the crime of preaching the gospel,
00:05:08.520 trying to host church services for prayer during that awful period of COVID.
00:05:13.440 Remember that time when you could go to the grocery store, you could go to Walmart,
00:05:17.140 you could go to the big box stores and buy things you could consume,
00:05:21.300 but heaven forbid you try to go to church, try to find solace in your community and pray to God.
00:05:26.820 With your community, that was considered beyond the pale, and we saw multiple pastors arrested for that in Canada, in Canada of all places.
00:05:35.360 Usually you have Canadian leaders condemning the treatment of religious minorities in other parts of the world.
00:05:41.140 You didn't really expect to see it here in Canada, but then COVID came, 2020 came around,
00:05:45.340 and all of a sudden we were living in an Orwell novel, and our pastors were getting arrested.
00:05:49.820 I'm pleased to say that with some distance and with some time, more people are talking about it,
00:05:54.700 more people are raising concerns and saying, hey, that wasn't right.
00:05:58.260 What we did back then wasn't right.
00:06:00.960 And I'm pleased, specifically when it comes to the burning of churches,
00:06:05.720 that Pierre Polyev, a conservative leader, is finally taking this up.
00:06:09.140 This is just from a couple of days ago, January 22nd.
00:06:11.880 Pierre Polyev condemns Justin Trudeau for not acting to prevent the church burnings
00:06:17.200 and basically excusing them and doing nothing about it.
00:06:20.120 So here is Pierre Polyev.
00:06:21.420 In 2021, the Tekumwish Tay Shwetmik First Nation Band government said that they found the remains
00:06:28.860 of 215 children who were former students of the former Kamloops Indian Residential School.
00:06:35.940 The reality is that to date, not a single body has been discovered.
00:06:40.500 The band government itself has revised the wording of their claim to say that it's 200 probable graves,
00:06:47.680 no mention of specific children anymore.
00:06:50.140 And the only way to know what's actually beneath the soil would be to excavate,
00:06:54.840 which the band government has not done in two and a half years to date.
00:06:59.040 Meanwhile, in Canada, 96 churches have been burnt or vandalized across the country since that initial claim was made.
00:07:06.840 Many of the fires are proven arsons, and the vandals often leave messages that tie to the initial 215 kids' claim
00:07:15.480 buried in unmarked graves.
00:07:16.680 My question is, why, just like the leftist media, the NDP, the Liberal government,
00:07:23.680 are the Conservatives also so quiet about this truth and good news,
00:07:28.540 which is that to date, 215 children's remains have not been discovered there,
00:07:33.020 when that truth coming from political leaders could potentially help set free Christian Canadians 0.94
00:07:39.140 from attacks on their places of worship?
00:07:41.280 Thank you for your question.
00:07:43.500 I would disentangle two parts, because there is no justification for burning down a church, period.
00:07:51.140 Regardless of the other information or regardless of the other justifications that people would claim to use,
00:08:03.020 there is never a justification to burn down a church.
00:08:06.540 And we as Conservatives have called for stronger criminal sanctions for arson against all who carry out these attacks.
00:08:14.240 We've also called for more security infrastructure around places of worship,
00:08:18.660 so that we can stop terrorists who burn down churches, who attack mosques and synagogues.
00:08:23.920 Unfortunately, these crimes against religious communities have raged out of control after eight years of Justin Trudeau's catch-and-release system,
00:08:33.340 after he has divided our country and turned people and groups against each other.
00:08:37.940 We have more violence directed against religious groups, including Christians, than we have ever seen in Canadian history.
00:08:45.720 This is the result of Justin Trudeau.
00:08:47.920 He is not worth the cost, he is not worth the crime, and he is not worth the country that we know and love.
00:08:53.000 And we should provide the resources to allow for full investigation into the potential remains at residential schools.
00:09:06.000 Canadians deserve to know the truth, and Conservatives will always stand in favour of historical accuracy.
00:09:14.680 None of this changes the fact that the residential schools were an appalling abuse of power by the state 0.80
00:09:20.940 and by the church at the time, and we need to move forward in a country that is free,
00:09:28.500 so that every single Canadian, whether their ancestry goes back tens of thousands of years,
00:09:33.980 or whether they have been here for 10 days, has the freedom to live their life in prosperity and happiness.
00:09:41.580 Thank you.
00:09:42.360 So, good for Pierre.
00:09:43.560 I think it's a little late, but better late than never.
00:09:47.120 And again, it is incredibly important that we talk about these issues,
00:09:50.900 not just the fact that all of those churches were burnt to the ground, but the reason for it,
00:09:55.520 the reason for it, which Pierre mentions, it was all in response to the fanatical news story about residential schools,
00:10:03.120 the claim that unmarked graves were discovered, that bodies were discovered, of course.
00:10:08.460 None of that is true.
00:10:09.500 We know that no bodies have been exhumed.
00:10:12.180 No bodies were discovered.
00:10:14.200 The process was totally suspect from the beginning.
00:10:17.700 True North were some of the only reporters brave enough to say from the outset that that was wrong.
00:10:22.700 And again, I think this is another issue where the tide is starting to turn.
00:10:26.780 True North put out a book over Christmas.
00:10:28.840 It was called Grave Error.
00:10:29.980 It was a compilation of authors, and it was edited by some very esteemed professors and PhDs.
00:10:37.900 Dr. Flanagan, who's a retired professor at the University of Calgary,
00:10:42.340 and Dr. Champion, who is the editor of the Dorchester Review,
00:10:46.280 they put together this wonderful book.
00:10:47.980 I'm pleased to say that it is doing really well.
00:10:50.120 It is selling really well.
00:10:51.480 Thousands of Canadians, probably tens of thousands of Canadians, have read this book or reading this book.
00:10:56.500 It hit number one on Amazon.ca over the Christmas holiday.
00:11:00.240 It remains one of the best-selling books on Amazon for an independent publisher.
00:11:03.940 You know, True North isn't a big publisher.
00:11:05.840 We don't have access to put books in bookstores and through all the chains.
00:11:09.520 You know, it's not going to end up on a Globe and Mail bestseller list.
00:11:12.800 But for an independent book like this one, the fact that it has been sold so well,
00:11:18.120 the fact that it sold 2,000 copies in the first week alone,
00:11:21.300 again, it hit number one on the entire website, Amazon, over Christmas.
00:11:26.780 I think it shows that people are really ready and willing to hear the truth.
00:11:31.660 They suspect that something wasn't quite right about the narrative that was shoved down our throats
00:11:35.780 when the moral panic was happening about the unmarked graves.
00:11:40.800 And again, just pleased that this is happening.
00:11:43.200 Barbara Kay, an excellent columnist and journalist over at the National Post,
00:11:47.180 had a piece about it earlier this week.
00:11:49.940 This is what that looked like.
00:11:51.500 Successive Residential School Books shows that writers don't need big publishers.
00:11:54.300 And she talks about how important it is that Canadians talk about this,
00:11:58.880 including Pierre Polyev, who, again, has finally come around to be willing to talk about this.
00:12:04.940 It does take some political courage to touch an issue like this because it's so full of emotion.
00:12:11.180 And the left will do everything they can to demonize you for even talking about it.
00:12:15.340 So good on Polyev to do that.
00:12:17.540 And I want to make special note to some reporting we did at True North by our own Cosman Georgia.
00:12:24.180 Cosman is a senior reporter here at True North.
00:12:27.560 And he just did a tremendous job reporting on the Christian churches.
00:12:31.800 He documented every single time a church was vandalized or burnt to the ground in the wake of that news story.
00:12:39.320 Remember the time when everyone was sort of excusing it?
00:12:41.680 People were even celebrating the fact that Christian churches were being burnt down.
00:12:45.000 Well, Cosman did the hard work. He put together this map.
00:12:49.020 This is one of the most read news stories in the history of True North and our website.
00:12:53.900 It continues to get a lot of views because we put it all together in one place so people could see the scale of it, right?
00:12:59.260 This wasn't just a one-off incident where a church was being burnt down on this side of the country and then again over here.
00:13:04.700 No, no. This was a targeted attack at a religious community.
00:13:09.000 And it raised interests around the world.
00:13:11.120 So Cosman's reporting was picked up by multiple international news agencies and media outlets, including the Wall Street Journal.
00:13:17.500 He briefed the Center for Security Policy, which is a U.S. think tank focused on national security and policy.
00:13:23.640 And he talked about how Christians are being targeted in Canada.
00:13:27.360 So I want to bring Cosman Georgia on to give us a little bit of an update about his reporting.
00:13:31.900 So Cosman, thank you so much for joining us and welcome to the program.
00:13:34.700 Thanks for inviting me.
00:13:35.840 So just tell us a little bit about sort of the origin of this reporting.
00:13:40.400 What led you to compile all this information?
00:13:43.460 What did the process look like?
00:13:45.100 And what was the initial response?
00:13:47.660 Right.
00:13:48.320 So we were seeing an increasing number of these incidents of vandalism, of fires breaking out at churches.
00:13:56.280 And I noticed there was really a gap in the media reporting.
00:14:00.580 Nobody compiled all of the incidents in one place.
00:14:03.780 And I thought the most effective way of doing that was putting it all on a map so people can see how widespread it really was.
00:14:13.040 I mean, if you look at the map itself, these fires, these acts of vandalism are happening across the entire country.
00:14:20.520 I don't think there's a single province that hasn't been, that is untouched by these acts of hate against Christians, quite frankly.
00:14:29.780 And so it was really useful to show the gravity of the situation in a visual way for people to really understand what's happening.
00:14:39.200 And do you remember, like, you know, when it first happened, right?
00:14:43.680 This is we're talking about 2021.
00:14:45.360 So two and a half, almost three years ago.
00:14:48.660 Like, did it all happen in one big tidal wave?
00:14:50.820 Was it spread out?
00:14:51.920 I think I remember early reports.
00:14:53.500 It was like five or six.
00:14:54.840 Then it bumped up to 12.
00:14:55.820 And all of a sudden it was 30.
00:14:57.140 Like, how did it how did it break down?
00:14:58.840 So I think when I put together the map and this was probably several months into the backhoe burnings happening, I think we were up to 36, 30 or 30 something acts of vandalism and fire.
00:15:14.920 So it happened in a big burst and it's been happening, happening continuously since then.
00:15:21.160 And I think, like, every month there's there's an act of vandalism, multiple acts, actually, because we're at 96 now and it's only been about two years.
00:15:33.000 So, Cosmin, you've read a lot of news stories, you've analyzed the information, done your own original reporting.
00:15:39.200 What is your assessment?
00:15:40.160 Like, who is behind this?
00:15:41.780 Who is doing this?
00:15:43.060 How is it that they haven't been caught or stopped?
00:15:46.020 Do you believe it's coordinated?
00:15:47.220 Do you believe it's it's sort of random or just sort of individual vigilantes?
00:15:51.700 Like, what is what is driving this and who do you believe is behind it?
00:15:56.320 Well, I definitely think the narrative around residential schools, the enmity that a lot of people feel towards, not just the Catholic Church.
00:16:06.400 I mean, there's there's Ukrainian Orthodox churches.
00:16:08.900 There's, you know, Anglican.
00:16:11.540 There's Lutheran.
00:16:12.320 There's all sorts of churches being targeted.
00:16:14.720 It's just a broad brush of Christianity that's being attacked right now.
00:16:21.940 And so I think a large motivating factor was how the media and politicians in this country spun the narratives about the so-called, you know, residential grave findings.
00:16:34.580 And we haven't even turned up a single bone yet.
00:16:37.580 And this kind of created a climate of hatred and almost gave a green light to all of these subsequent acts.
00:16:46.760 You know, it's so interesting that you say that.
00:16:50.680 I remember the liberal minister of heritage at the time when they brought in their online safety bill.
00:16:56.980 So the bill that censors networks like True North and podcasts like the one we're on right now.
00:17:02.240 He said that that would address the church burnings.
00:17:06.340 We had public figures, including the head of the B.C.
00:17:08.920 Civil Liberties Association organization, supposed to be defending human rights and individual rights like the right to freedom of religion.
00:17:15.980 And she tweeted in the wake of all of this, burn it all down.
00:17:20.780 We had Gerald Butts, who's Justin Trudeau's at the time, his principal secretary and his assistant, his best friend.
00:17:27.480 He said that it was understandable that these churches were being burnt down.
00:17:31.840 NDP MP Nikki Ashton actually celebrated the toppling of the statues that were also happening around the same time.
00:17:39.480 And the toppling of the statue of Queen Elizabeth II and as well as Queen Victoria saying that these were acts of decolonization and then including a little heart emoji for good measure.
00:17:51.180 So rather than the figures, establishment figures and leaders in this country condemning these acts of violence against a religious group, we actually had people cheering it on. 0.90
00:18:03.820 What was your reaction to that?
00:18:05.940 It was very troubling.
00:18:07.580 I mean, it's essentially incitement in some cases because it creates a climate where people feel like they can do this without consequences because our political leaders, rather so-called leaders, are not condemning it.
00:18:23.920 They're not launching investigations.
00:18:26.180 There hasn't been a federal inquiry into this where we've reached 96 acts of property damage targeting a specific religious community.
00:18:36.840 And there hasn't been one single committee to investigate this.
00:18:40.900 And it's, you know, quite honestly, it is also sad that the conservatives have not pushed an investigation into these acts because we could potentially cross the line into acts of violence, whether it be direct or a mistake.
00:18:59.340 Like, what if there's somebody in those buildings and one of these churches goes up in flames?
00:19:04.680 Well, and also, how would you just feel as a member of that congregation?
00:19:09.740 Would you really feel safe going to church every Sunday or going to pray in the afternoons knowing that your religious community is being targeted, that the church up the street was burnt down or vandalized?
00:19:20.760 Because, I mean, you're right, it does create a climate of fear.
00:19:25.620 And I will give Pierre Polyev some credit because recently, I mean, I'm talking about very recently, January 22nd, I played the clip off the top of the show where he, Polyev did condemn this act and said that there's no justification for burning down churches and called on Trudeau to do more.
00:19:41.900 But, again, you know, this is two years after the fact, two and a half years, maybe three years after the fact.
00:19:47.300 Finally, we have a conservative leader who's willing to voice these concerns.
00:19:51.840 But you're right.
00:19:52.600 I mean, the fact that the conservatives haven't been pushing this from day one shows that there was some fear.
00:19:58.640 Now, hopefully, they've gotten past that.
00:20:00.060 So, Kazma, as far as law enforcement, is there any effort to sort of uncover who's behind this or investigation to hold the people who have done this to account?
00:20:14.680 There have been few arrests.
00:20:16.740 The latest one I know of was in Coronation, Alberta, where a 23-year-old man was arrested after a church went up in flames.
00:20:27.920 There were some arrests.
00:20:30.440 I remember one incident of vandalism.
00:20:33.900 I think a woman in Vancouver splashed paint on a church.
00:20:38.980 This was pretty close to the residential school claims, and she was arrested and charged.
00:20:46.260 But there's no broad, you know, hate investigation happening here.
00:20:51.480 And I think the police, unfortunately, are not asking the right questions.
00:20:57.000 They're not looking into the political motivations and the, you know, the hatred that exists behind these acts.
00:21:06.780 So, unfortunately, there and then also there hasn't been some national approach to this.
00:21:13.440 It's just single police forces investigating the incidents as being isolated when, in fact, there is a pattern here.
00:21:23.260 And there's so many of them that we need to start considering these incidents as connected to some degree or at least looking into how they might be connected, whether it's ideologically or actually a network of people coordinating this.
00:21:38.800 Well, you know, sometimes it takes an outsider to point out the obvious of what's happening in our country.
00:21:45.000 I was pleased that Tucker Carlson brought this up during his speeches in Calgary.
00:21:49.680 The fact that he had that number right on the tip of his tongue, that there were 90-some churches burnt, means that he must be reading True North, must be reading your reporting, Cosman.
00:21:58.060 So, great work.
00:21:58.980 Keep it up.
00:21:59.820 And thanks for all the work you do here at True North.
00:22:03.120 Thank you, Candice.
00:22:04.180 All right.
00:22:04.540 Thank you so much for tuning in.
00:22:05.960 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
00:22:08.800 Thank you.