The Candice Malcolm Show - Disgraceful： Canadian fans boo the American national anthem

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for tuning in,

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00:00:52.560 this will be the most important election of our lives. This is really a fork in the road for

00:00:58.480 Canada. We have two options in front of us, right? We have another term of liberals. Yes,

00:01:04.560 it won't be Justin Trudeau. Probably looks like it will be Mark Carney and a continuation of the sort of

00:01:11.360 left-wing socialist government. This idea that the government knows best, that they're ruled by

00:01:16.560 experts who tell us what to do. We don't really have a say. They have their priorities, which are a

00:01:21.200 woke agenda, a green agenda, sort of de-industrializing Canada and putting us on a path to be a lot like

00:01:28.400 the declining countries of Western Europe. Or we have another option, which is what is being

00:01:33.920 presented to us by Pierre Polyev and the Conservatives, something different, a change.

00:01:39.440 And we're still learning more about Pierre Polyev. We're still trying to understand what a Polyev

00:01:44.800 government would look like. Is it going to be a conservative, a significantly more conservative

00:01:50.400 government, something more like the American first movement in the states with Trump? Or is it going

00:01:55.440 to be something more like the polite, centrist, progressive Conservatives? I hope it's more like

00:02:00.480 the former. But again, we're still getting to know Pierre Polyev. And we're going to get to all of that

00:02:05.440 in the show today. We're going to talk about the disgraceful, I think, performance by the Canadian 1.00

00:02:11.360 fans in Montreal over the weekend, booing the American national anthem. What a disgrace. Terrible to see.

00:02:16.960 We'll talk a little bit about Pierre Polyev's Canada First rally that he held in Ottawa on

00:02:21.680 Saturday. What a great look. What an impressive looking event with just so many people and really

00:02:28.080 sounding like a leader Pierre Polyev is. We'll talk about a gaffe, I think. Mark Carney told a podcast

00:02:35.440 that he's a globalist and an elitist. Unbelievable. It looks like the Conservatives are up in the polls.

00:02:40.800 So we'll talk about that. We'll talk about some crime updates and an update on the prorogation

00:02:46.080 story. So you know that the Trudeau government prorogue parliament, there is a case being put

00:02:53.520 forth to the courts to determine whether or not that was legal or not. And we had a True North

00:02:58.240 reporter, Alex Zoltan, who was in Ottawa covering that case. Alex is a journalist, author, documentary,

00:03:05.120 filmmaker, and he's the crime reporter for True North Wire. Very pleased to be joined for the show

00:03:10.320 today by Alex Zoltan. Alex, welcome to the program. Well, thank you for having me. Great.

00:03:15.840 Yeah. So let's, before we get to your reports on the prorogation, I just want to walk the audience

00:03:20.480 through what happened with this team Canada. I just, I absolutely drives me crazy to see this. I don't

00:03:27.040 like it. I don't like seeing Canadian fans. We've seen it many, many times in cities across Canada

00:03:31.360 for hockey games and basketball games. And now we have, um, the team Canada is facing off against

00:03:38.480 team us in Montreal on Saturday evening. And they, they even had to warn the audience to be respectful

00:03:45.040 of the national anthems after that warning. This is what we saw. This is the display that we saw is play

00:03:50.480 that clip so it's, it's fascinating, Alex, because, you know, even during the cold war, uh, Canada would

00:04:17.760 play hockey games against the Russians. And I don't believe that they had the reaction like this,

00:04:21.920 right? The Americans are our allies. They are our neighbors, our closest trading partner, and our

00:04:26.640 friends. Everyday Canadians and everyday Americans have a heck of a lot in common, but our political

00:04:31.760 classes are getting into this argument, this spur, and the sort of mob mentality of the Canadians is,

00:04:38.320 I now hate my American neighbor. I now hate my American friend. And they, they can't control themselves

00:04:43.760 enough, um, to, to, to boo like this. I thought it was so disgraceful. Um, so let's continue with the

00:04:49.440 story because after that ridiculous, pathetic display in my mind, just no class, just completely, 0.98

00:04:56.720 completely embarrassing for our country. Uh, well, the game started off and what a game it was because 0.98

00:05:01.920 within nine seconds of starting three fights broke out. So it seems that the Americans weren't too happy

00:05:07.680 with these Canadians booing their national anthem and you know, they took it out, uh, with, with the gloves

00:05:13.040 off on the ice. So here's what that looked like this is under way.

00:05:18.640 And the gloves are off.

00:05:22.160 You could chuck it, Brandon Hagle,

00:05:25.200 this was, this was set here. They come right here, right?

00:05:29.280 Right before the first contract fight. This was set up. Here you go.

00:05:33.760 Coaches and players on both sides said they hope it wouldn't happen tonight. It did.

00:05:37.360 It helps in the tone. Charlie McAvoy put one on net. Now we're nine seconds in.

00:05:45.020 We had a fight two seconds in, another one one second later.

00:05:49.260 Now in the center of the action, it's Colt Pareko and J.T. Miller.

00:05:54.120 Some say the bubbles in an arrow truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.

00:05:59.140 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light.

00:06:01.840 Rich, creamy, chocolatey arrow truffle. Feel the arrow bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.

00:06:10.900 Spilling out onto the ice, and I know fighting is part of the game, and a lot of people like that aspect of the game.

00:06:16.580 But to me, it was like, you know, their emotions couldn't be contained.

00:06:19.800 I can't imagine the electricity in the building after going through that, having your national anthem booed.

00:06:25.340 Like, look, I'm a patriotic Canadian. I love my country.

00:06:27.760 If I was in the United States and they were booing my Canadian national anthem, I would be furious.

00:06:31.600 So I understand, and I have sympathy and respect for the Americans that took it out that way.

00:06:36.960 Oh, yeah, and Team USA ended up beating Team Canada 3-1.

00:06:41.100 I don't think I've ever cheered for the Americans in a hockey game in my entire life against Team Canada.

00:06:46.260 I can't say I was cheering for the Americans, but I think that Canada deserved that. 0.92

00:06:49.660 I think Canadians deserved to lose because of the attitude and the behavior that they displayed. 1.00

00:06:55.240 Look, Alex, my perspective is that this is all an artificial, manufactured story that the legacy media and the Liberal Party want this trade war.

00:07:04.420 They want Canadians to be worked up and fighting mad against the Americans because it helps them in the polls. 0.92

00:07:09.900 And Canadians shouldn't engage. 1.00

00:07:11.380 We should look through it, realize that, yes, this is a trade dispute.

00:07:14.680 Canada is not completely the angels in this situation.

00:07:18.260 We are in the wrong when it comes to a lot of the subsidies and the breaks that we give.

00:07:23.880 We don't have free trade.

00:07:24.980 We don't have a free market here.

00:07:27.120 And a lot of that is our fault.

00:07:28.320 Some of it's the Americans as well.

00:07:30.180 But there's two sides to the story, right?

00:07:32.300 And this idea that we should just hate the Americans, that we should boo their national anthem and fight them, I think it's terrible.

00:07:37.320 What are your thoughts?

00:07:38.060 Well, I heard a saying many, many years ago that I found very interesting where somebody prospected that hockey is Canada's time to act like Americans.

00:07:48.080 So we're generally very polite.

00:07:49.940 We're generally very deferential.

00:07:51.520 When we watch hockey, we become rude.

00:07:53.560 We become impolite.

00:07:54.620 We become a bit more aggressive, a bit more violent.

00:07:56.940 And so I think that if we look at this as a bit more of a one-off, I mean, booing generally is fun, especially when you're watching sports.

00:08:09.780 So I have a little bit of forgiveness in that respect.

00:08:12.880 I think that sports arenas are one of those places where you can be a little bit more disrespectful.

00:08:17.200 That being said, I understood that the person who was doing the anthem was a veteran.

00:08:20.320 And so I think that that makes the situation a little bit more egregious, to your point.

00:08:25.640 And I'm trying to look at this a bit more holistically and a bit forgivingly.

00:08:28.600 Yeah, I get it.

00:08:29.600 When you're at a sports game, maybe you're having a couple of drinks and you're with your buddies and you let your kind of wild side out.

00:08:38.180 To me, though, it's just like they've inserted politics into sports.

00:08:42.360 The thing about sports is it's supposed to be an escape from that.

00:08:45.580 And so when you have this like political agenda that you know is manufactured, right, you know that it's there to help the Trudeau liberals with their polls.

00:08:54.480 Because the more that this issue is spoken about, the more the issue is focused on, the better that they do.

00:08:59.320 And the liberals are so good at this, right?

00:09:02.000 They're like maniacally evil, but they're good at this.

00:09:04.120 They're good at whipping up the mood of the country to suit their political agenda.

00:09:09.020 We saw it during COVID.

00:09:10.100 And I feel like this is just like COVID all over again.

00:09:13.220 Yeah, I definitely get that sense as well.

00:09:15.580 But I also am old enough to remember in the late 90s, I think it was Donovan, Bailey and Johnson.

00:09:20.480 There was a lot of friendly competition between Canada and the United States in a variety of different arenas, including hockey and racing and other sports and friendly competition.

00:09:29.660 I don't think that there's anything wrong with that.

00:09:31.140 I think that that's good.

00:09:32.060 But I also agree that it's important to remain respectful.

00:09:35.440 Yeah, I want to show a couple of tweets that I thought picked up the mood really well.

00:09:39.760 So the first one is an account called D.C.

00:09:41.220 You should follow them on X.

00:09:42.560 Huge account run by an individual named Brogan O'Handley.

00:09:45.680 He's got millions and millions of followers.

00:09:47.560 And he posted this.

00:09:48.560 He says, I know this tariff battle has got Canadians seemingly pitted against Americans, but I want to make something clear for the record.

00:09:55.020 Our beef is not with the Canadian people. 0.98

00:09:56.760 It is with the liberal Canadian government terrorizing the Canadian people.

00:10:00.660 Tens of millions of Americans appreciate the Canadian truckers for what they did to destroy COVID protocols worldwide.

00:10:06.720 We are now fighting their hostile government to help liberate you.

00:10:09.920 Well, I don't know about that last line.

00:10:11.240 I don't think that we need any help liberating ourselves.

00:10:14.080 Although if Mark Carney becomes the next elected prime minister, I think maybe at that point we might.

00:10:19.840 But the point is, I think that, you know, we can get past the politics of it all.

00:10:26.160 We all probably agree on a lot more than we disagree with.

00:10:28.800 Another one is our friends over at Resistance Coffee Company.

00:10:32.360 And they wrote this on X.

00:10:33.880 We're an overtly Canadian company and unapologetically reject all of the anti-American sentiment we're seeing. 0.99

00:10:39.940 It's naive, pathetic, and immature. 0.96

00:10:41.760 This is an artificial narrative political elites are using to maintain power. 0.99

00:10:46.040 We want nothing to do with it.

00:10:48.120 Yes.

00:10:48.880 Yes.

00:10:49.220 I completely agree with that.

00:10:50.940 What are your thoughts?

00:10:52.420 Well, I also understand that the cost to attend this game was very high.

00:10:55.860 I think it was somewhere between $800 and $1,000 for one ticket.

00:11:02.220 So similar to maybe a Taylor Swift concert or something like that.

00:11:05.300 So I imagine it was a lot of elites that were there.

00:11:07.340 A lot of people who maybe are liberal donors, perhaps.

00:11:12.120 I don't know if it's a fair representation of Canadians generally.

00:11:15.300 Yeah, fair enough.

00:11:16.040 It's sad how Canadian sporting events, I know it's like that, to go to a Maple Leafs game as well.

00:11:21.100 And then you go to a Leafs game and everyone's wearing a suit and people are on their phones not even watching.

00:11:25.640 It's not like the hockey games I grew up watching.

00:11:28.200 Well, I want to segue that into this Canada First rally that we saw in Ottawa.

00:11:33.860 So Pierre Polyev, many people are saying that he gave the speech of his life, that he really rose to the occasion, that he looked and sounded like a prime minister.

00:11:41.060 You can see he's back wearing his nice tailored suits.

00:11:45.420 And he's gotten away from the sort of like T-shirt and aviator glasses that look that he was going for a while.

00:11:52.460 He came out.

00:11:53.440 And I think that the imagery, Sean, do we have any B-roll of this?

00:11:56.960 You know, the imagery of Pierre Polyev going out there with the huge Maple Leaf, the big backdrop there, a huge, vibrant crowd, really, really enthusiastic.

00:12:10.340 He had his beautiful wife, Anna, introduce him.

00:12:12.520 And you really got to see a softer side of Pierre, another side of him.

00:12:16.360 And then he came out and he gave a big speech, you know, talking about his big plans for Canada, how he would put Canada first, going through his priorities.

00:12:25.720 You know, overall, it seemed like a speech by someone who's winning a campaign, right?

00:12:30.660 Like you can compare that to what Mark Carney is doing.

00:12:34.820 And, you know, Polyev, it just looks like a winning campaign.

00:12:38.880 You can see there the big, beautiful Maple Leaf behind him, like a huge, huge crowd of people there.

00:12:46.140 I think there was tens of thousands of people in attendance.

00:12:48.820 And really, he sounded great.

00:12:52.860 So the focus of his campaign, unfortunately, of the speech, unfortunately, went back to what I think is this manufactured narrative, this idea that the tariffs are coming, that we're in a trade war with the Americans, that it's unavoidable, and that the only thing that we can do is basically turn our backs to the Americans and try to find new partners, try to find new allies, and try to find new trading partners.

00:13:13.860 I don't think that's the right approach, Alex.

00:13:15.460 I still think that Canada's best approach is to lean into our friendship with the Americans and find a way to make a deal with Trump, because the things that he wants are the things that we want, too, right?

00:13:24.940 We want more secure borders.

00:13:26.700 We want drugs off our streets.

00:13:28.520 We want free trade, not all of these subsidies and all of these basically special deals for insiders and subsidies for Canadian companies.

00:13:38.640 Like all of the things that Trump is asking for, we do, too.

00:13:41.760 So I'll play a few clips.

00:13:43.760 First, Pierre Polyev said that he would enact retaliatory tariffs on any tariffs imposed by the United States.

00:13:52.280 We already knew this.

00:13:53.320 But here is a clip of him saying that retaliation is only the beginning.

00:13:59.040 Retaliation is only the beginning.

00:14:00.740 Yes, we need to retaliate.

00:14:02.020 If they put tariffs on our steel and aluminum, I will put tariffs on their steel and aluminum.

00:14:07.640 If they hit us with generalized tariffs, we will respond dollar for dollar.

00:14:15.020 Yes, we will carefully target American goods that we don't need, can produce ourselves or we can get elsewhere to maximize the impact on Americans while minimizing the impact on ourselves.

00:14:26.380 I think that's a bit of a pipe dream that we can harm them without them harming us.

00:14:31.140 Of course, our economy is much, much bigger and much less reliant on ours.

00:14:34.580 But, you know, he's saying what he's got to say, I guess.

00:14:38.140 Next, we had Pierre Polyev adding this line, which is a little bit of a dig against Americans, quoting Winston Churchill here.

00:14:45.800 Let's play that clip.

00:14:46.480 As Winston Churchill said, though, you can always count on the Americans to do the right thing after exhausting all other possibilities.

00:15:01.600 I guess it was a clever line.

00:15:03.100 I thought it was unnecessary.

00:15:04.060 What do you think, Alex?

00:15:05.180 I think it's very funny.

00:15:06.460 And I actually agree with Polyev and respectfully disagree a little bit with what you had to say, because I actually don't think that Trump cares whether we have drugs off of our street or not.

00:15:15.900 But he certainly hasn't said as much.

00:15:17.680 He is simply saying that he wants fentanyl to quit flowing in over the northern border, a claim that I actually find rather nebulous and dubious.

00:15:26.700 I think that there's a bit of a logical leap that some people are making that Trump wants what's best for Canada.

00:15:32.180 That's not what he said.

00:15:33.120 He said that he wants Canada to stop pouring fentanyl into the United States, which, again, I don't think that that claim necessarily holds up to the data on either the American or the Canadian side.

00:15:44.640 And so I actually agree with Polyev's approach.

00:15:47.140 I know that it's not necessarily popular, but I think that it's the right approach.

00:15:50.940 And I also remember Polyev saying something at a presser I attended where he said it's inexcusable if the issue is over fentanyl to impose a 10% tariff on China and a 25% tariff on Canada.

00:16:01.780 In what world does that possibly make sense if your biggest concern is fentanyl?

00:16:05.440 Because they already did the tariff on China, right?

00:16:08.260 So the tariff on China came in during Trump's first administration.

00:16:11.420 Canada didn't have a tariff of that back then.

00:16:13.000 So they already have a 25% tariff that came in during Trump 1.0.

00:16:17.260 And then now there's an additional 10%.

00:16:19.100 So it's not just 10% versus Canada.

00:16:22.200 It's just an increase on what he had already done.

00:16:24.660 And, yeah, sure, Trump's not out there looking to take care of Canada.

00:16:27.940 But the reality, Alex, is that we share a hemisphere.

00:16:30.060 We share the Northern North America.

00:16:32.500 And so if there's rampant drug use and drug manufacturing and fentanyl labs across Canada, like we found these super labs.

00:16:40.460 I had Sam Cooper on my show last week, and he walked me through in great detail how China is creating and moving all these drugs, 0.96

00:16:48.760 working with like a United Nations of transnational gangsters from countries like India, Iran, China, Mexico, all operating in Canada.

00:17:00.140 Trump very much has it in his interest to shut that down.

00:17:04.000 Like it's a lot harder to close down our huge shared border with the United States than it is to just get it under control in Canada in the first place.

00:17:11.720 And I do think it's a big problem.

00:17:13.380 I think that the stats that we see going around like, oh, less than 1% comes from Canada, that's a manufactured narrative, right?

00:17:19.040 That's just based on what they find because we have, again, like an unmanned border, right?

00:17:23.160 So you can cross the border into the United States from Canada most of the time without being checked.

00:17:27.320 Whereas in Mexico, everyone's going to get checked. 0.58

00:17:30.200 So it's not apples to apples.

00:17:31.900 And to Sam's point as well, less than 5% of the containers that leave from Canadian ports get checked.

00:17:37.140 So 95% of them are going completely unchecked.

00:17:39.900 And that's a lot of the ways that they are distributing it.

00:17:42.800 So just because it's not being caught, that's part of the problem, right?

00:17:45.160 We don't have the efforts needed to crack down on this because we don't take it seriously.

00:17:49.580 Yes, yes and no.

00:17:52.460 So the Cato Institute did a really great study where they showed that 90% of the fentanyl that is seized comes over across legal points of entry on the northern border.

00:18:00.540 That, of course, is a shared responsibility as well.

00:18:03.260 So if the drugs are pouring in, then it's as much the Americans' fault as it is our fault to some extent.

00:18:08.660 Also, one of the ways that you could backtest the theory that there may be a lot of people crossing over illegally carrying fentanyl would be to look at how many people who have crossed over illegally and been caught doing so, how many of them possessed fentanyl?

00:18:21.300 And the amount who possessed any fentanyl at all was 0.02%.

00:18:25.460 So I really do find this claim that fentanyl is pouring in from Canada into the United States to be a nebulous one and one not supported either by the data or by the way that the economy and the supply and demand dynamics work when it comes to fentanyl.

00:18:42.200 So I was talking to a journalist in Seattle.

00:18:45.080 Her name is Katie Daviscord, and she's done quite a bit of research into this subject.

00:18:48.680 And you can actually buy a gram of fentanyl in Seattle for a fraction of the cost of buying it in Vancouver.

00:18:54.100 And the reason for that is very simple.

00:18:56.520 The United States has a lot more fentanyl flowing in from Mexico, whereas Canada really just has domestic production.

00:19:02.120 We don't have any direct competitors.

00:19:04.080 So you can sell fentanyl for a premium in Canada versus the United States. 0.99

00:19:08.160 So it would be you'd almost be crazy or stupid to take a lot of fentanyl in a truck over the land border from Canada to the United States. 0.92

00:19:16.640 I truly don't believe that this claim really holds up to scrutiny or the data or statistics. 0.98

00:19:21.500 Okay. So if you don't think that it's over fentanyl, like, what do you think this is all over then?

00:19:26.740 I think that we certainly do have a domestic fentanyl problem.

00:19:31.220 I don't think anybody's going to deny that.

00:19:32.800 And it's a tragedy and it's a generational concern.

00:19:35.980 It's very, very important.

00:19:37.700 I think that part of it is, is that he doesn't like the administration.

00:19:40.300 He doesn't like the Trudeau government.

00:19:42.320 And it's hard to blame him for that.

00:19:44.240 Who does look at their polling numbers here in Canada?

00:19:47.240 But I think that a lot of this is really quite petty.

00:19:51.540 And I think it is a logical leap to say that, well, if Trump wants fentanyl to stop pouring in from Canada, which, again, I don't necessarily think is an accurate claim, then that means that what he really wants is for us to get rid of fentanyl within Canada to save Canadians.

00:20:04.940 He's not saying that.

00:20:06.300 And I think it's a bit of a leap to assume that that's what he means, right?

00:20:10.740 Well, yeah, I'll take the point that it's a lot more expensive to produce it in Canada and that it's a shared responsibility.

00:20:18.480 I would prefer, Alex, that we didn't have a completely closed border, that we didn't have every single vehicle and truck being inspected, that there was just a level of trust between the two countries, that we have similar standards and that we have similar concerns.

00:20:31.860 And so to your point about the administration, I think that if we had an administration that was harder and firmer on crime, on immigration, on terrorism, that that would give them assurances that we wouldn't need to completely militarize our border and have checks.

00:20:45.820 I don't know if you've ever crossed the U.S.-Mexico border by car.

00:20:49.320 I have several times and it's wild, like compared to the experience of doing it in Canada, where, you know, you just hop in the car with the family, go through, show them your passports or whatever, and you're through.

00:20:58.980 In Mexico, like it's like they get you get out of the car and they search everything in every bag.

00:21:03.260 And like it's more intense than going through an airport security.

00:21:06.680 So I would never want that for Canadians. 1.00

00:21:09.020 And I think that the best way to do that is to maintain a strong relationship of shared values, not turning our backs to Americans.

00:21:15.720 OK, I want to move on to some of the if I could just add one more thing to that, actually, which I thought was interesting.

00:21:21.280 So somebody when I was on my way back from Ottawa, somebody who was sitting next to me there, they work on yacht motors in the Cayman Islands.

00:21:27.760 And they were saying that a lot of the drugs comes in through the ports on private boats.

00:21:31.980 And one of the reasons for that is that if you're if you're close to getting caught, you just ditch the drugs into the sea.

00:21:37.840 So he says this is actually the preferred method for traffickers versus taking it over the land border.

00:21:43.180 And also, as you correctly noted, they don't do a lot of checks at the port either.

00:21:48.200 So I think that there's it actually shook my trust a little bit and my faith in the Trump administration that this claim that a bunch of fentanyl was coming over across the northern border was given as much airtime as it was.

00:22:00.300 Because I really don't think that the claim holds up to scrutiny or critical thinking.

00:22:04.340 Interesting. OK, let's move on.

00:22:05.580 But I want to talk about Chrystia Freeland, because she shared on Axe a picture of Pierre Polyev walking onto the stage at his Canada First rally and basically just said that it was the same as Donald Trump wondering.

00:22:19.000 She writes, we're wondering where we've seen this movie before.

00:22:23.240 And then she posts a picture. Do we have the picture there, Sean, of basically just Pierre Polyev with the Canada flag?

00:22:32.300 No, I guess we don't. And then you can take that down.

00:22:35.760 And then and then Trump with the American one.

00:22:38.880 So I guess if you have a flag and you do a rally, that must mean that you're just like Trump.

00:22:44.880 I want to move on. So Mark Carney came out.

00:22:48.940 This was pretty wild to me. So on Saturday morning, he did an interview on a podcast called The Rest is Politics with Alistair Campbell and Anthony Scarmucci.

00:22:57.440 So Alistair Campbell is a British journalist and he was a former political staffer and strategist for Tony Blair and the Labour government.

00:23:05.020 And then Anthony Scarmucci was a very, very short lived DCOM director of communications for the Trump administration.

00:23:11.360 The first time President Trump was in office, they host a podcast.

00:23:14.540 They had Mark Carney on there and watching this podcast.

00:23:18.780 Basically, they asked, hey, what are your greatest strengths and weaknesses?

00:23:21.900 Which, you know, is a pretty standard, straightforward question for a politician.

00:23:26.080 You'd think that he'd have a good answer planned.

00:23:28.500 I don't think this is a good answer. Let's play that clip.

00:23:34.320 My strength is I know how the world works. I know how to get things done.

00:23:37.560 I I'm connected. I can deliver for the country.

00:23:40.440 My weakness is, you know, people will charge me as being elitist or, you know, globalist to use that term, which is, well, that's exactly, you know, it happens to be exactly what we what we need.

00:23:54.900 So he's a globalist. He's an elitist.

00:23:57.800 I think that he was using those terms to mock his critics, basically saying that they'll call me that and then kind of laughing it off.

00:24:04.120 But then he pivots and says, but that's exactly what we need, which kind of goes to emphasize and score that he actually does believe that he's an elitist and globalist.

00:24:12.880 And that's that's what's good for the country.

00:24:14.860 So you're going to get like another four years of rule by expert, rule by elite, Mark Carney.

00:24:21.700 I think that was a pretty disastrous way to answer that question.

00:24:24.320 What did you think, Alex?

00:24:25.540 Oh, I completely agree.

00:24:26.800 And it always amuses me how little central bankers do.

00:24:32.080 I mean, when you think about it, all they do is they take the data that was gathered by other people who are smarter than they are.

00:24:37.660 And then they just make a wild guess three or four times a year of either up or down based off of that data that other people collected.

00:24:45.060 Central bankers are not experts really in anything.

00:24:47.800 They're just professional guessers.

00:24:50.960 And it's interesting.

00:24:51.560 So I want to link this to another story we had.

00:24:54.060 Mark Carney was on CBC with Rosemary Barton yesterday, Sunday, February 16th.

00:24:59.860 And he he he said something that I don't think we're true.

00:25:05.600 He says that former prime minister Stephen Harper once asked him to be the finance minister.

00:25:11.680 So he he basically just said that back in 2012, Harper was in some way trying to recruit him to be the finance minister.

00:25:19.600 And he says that it wasn't appropriate because at the time he was a bureaucrat.

00:25:25.760 First, OK, let's play this clip and then I'll get you to react to it.

00:25:28.360 It's politics right now.

00:25:30.020 Have you been offered positions in the past?

00:25:31.940 I have been offered positions in the past.

00:25:34.520 I was offered, for example, prime minister Harper asked me if I would be his finance minister in 2012.

00:25:41.940 It wasn't appropriate to proceed with that.

00:25:43.780 I didn't.

00:25:45.180 So as we know, he was the governor of the Bank of Canada and then he moved over and became the governor of the Bank of England and started sort of a career in English banking and politics.

00:25:55.020 So kind of strange that all of a sudden he's saying that at the time Harper was trying to recruit him.

00:25:59.960 I don't remember that story at all.

00:26:02.100 Harper's former communications director, Dimitri Soudis, denied this claim in a CBC report.

00:26:07.180 He wrote that Mark Carney is not telling the whole story.

00:26:09.940 And Prime Minister Harper certainly does not support Mr. Carney in any way.

00:26:14.940 Dimitri Soudis also shared on Axe a link to a story from back in 2012 in the Globe and Mail.

00:26:23.640 The story is called How the Liberal Party Lost Mark Carney.

00:26:27.040 But the point of the article, if you read it, is that Mark Carney was very much in the orbit of the Liberal Party at that time in 2012.

00:26:34.740 He was a party member.

00:26:35.760 He was part of the party.

00:26:37.120 He wasn't a conservative.

00:26:38.280 He wasn't in Harper's Circle or Harper's Orbit.

00:26:41.540 So it's sort of a strange claim to put out there.

00:26:44.720 What do you think, Alex?

00:26:46.160 He's a strange guy generally.

00:26:48.460 I mean, generally ministers of finance also are elected.

00:26:52.340 It seems strange to me that he wants to become the prime minister without having made any effort at any time in his lifetime of trying to be elected in any capacity whatsoever.

00:27:03.100 Kind of seems like he's jumping the coop a little bit there.

00:27:05.720 Typically, you become a member of parliament or you get active at the local level.

00:27:10.900 It is really characteristic of an elitist to want to just jump straight to a position of prime minister without having ever been elected to anything as small as even school council.

00:27:21.920 Yeah, and to your point that the central banker has a very kind of public role, but it's not like he's acting alone and it's not like a politician where you have to lead a party or get elected by the people.

00:27:38.760 It's like it's an appointed job.

00:27:40.300 It's a very high profile job.

00:27:41.740 I don't think that he has a great track record in either country with the printing of money, borrowing, raising interest rates, all those things that you mentioned.

00:27:49.960 But kind of a strange thing to slip in there.

00:27:52.180 I think that probably he wants Canadians to think that he is sort of like a bipartisan pick and that he's not as hard left as Trudeau, not as right as Pierre Polyev.

00:28:02.360 Kind of the Goldilocks approach there that he's just right.

00:28:07.880 One thing that I think had a lot of conservatives feeling a little hopeful about is, so we covered this in the show on Friday, but the polls have shown since Justin Trudeau resigned and Mark Carney has become the sort of person that looks like he's going to be the next prime minister.

00:28:22.500 The liberals' fortunes have been increasing in the polls.

00:28:25.500 So polls have slowly shown liberals chipping away at the conservatives and Pierre Polyev's massive lead.

00:28:31.060 Well, there was a new series of polls put out by Abacus Data, a very reputable polling company, that shows that the conservatives still lead the liberals by 19 points.

00:28:41.860 And so the head of Abacus there, David Coletto, said that he got the results and basically he was so surprised by how big the conservative lead was that he went back into the field and did another poll just to make sure that what he was seeing was correct.

00:28:57.380 And the second poll confirmed that.

00:28:59.120 So you can show this graph, Sean, that shows a federal vote intention.

00:29:04.120 Here we have the conservatives with 46 percent and the liberals all the way down at 27 percent.

00:29:10.560 So if you look back to a January 27th poll, it shows that, yes, the liberals are doing better, but their gains are coming at the expense of the NDP, the bloc, and possibly the green, whereas the conservatives are also going up.

00:29:24.860 So Mark Carney as the leader is not chipping away at the conservative lead, according to Abacus and according to that poll.

00:29:32.140 So I think there's a lot of conservatives that are very relieved to see that there was a lot of kind of anxiety and concern that maybe with the change in the ballot question, the idea that maybe the election is not going to be about cost of living, but instead it's going to be about this looming trade war and this new narrative that the media has managed to create in the last couple weeks here.

00:29:50.160 That that would be very bad for the conservatives, but according again to Abacus, that's not the case.

00:29:55.300 So what are your thoughts on that?

00:29:57.840 Well, if you go into the streets and you ask people, are you enthusiastic about Mark Carney?

00:30:01.760 I imagine you're not going to get a lot of people saying, yes, I'm extremely enthusiastic about Mark Carney.

00:30:07.220 This definitely seems like a mainstream media fake narrative. 0.90

00:30:11.600 The idea that Mark Carney is this, there's a Carney mania going on is kind of patently ridiculous in my opinion.

00:30:18.180 And I'm glad that the polling data from Abacus shows that.

00:30:21.300 Yeah, it's hard to imagine just like a lot of groundswell support for a wealthy banker that's swooped in after like being out of the country for several decades.

00:30:32.640 That's just not really the profile of a politician that you can imagine, you know, having a lot of popularity among Canadians.

00:30:39.000 It seems that the liberals have tried to do this several times and it doesn't work for them.

00:30:43.340 But I mean, Mark Carney does seem like, I'll get into this, he actually seems a pretty nice guy.

00:30:47.760 He seems like a nice person. It's just that his ideas are all wrong and his background is wrong and he's arrogant about it.

00:30:54.700 And I just, I don't think that that's going to be appealing.

00:30:57.500 I heard him described once as Timu Michael Ignatieff.

00:31:03.320 Yeah, the liberals have tried this several times and it never seems to work out well for them.

00:31:07.460 And I don't think that this is going to be an exception to the rule.

00:31:10.700 I completely agree. Okay, I want to move on to some reactions.

00:31:13.140 And so as you, hopefully everyone's caught this interview that we did with Pierre Polyev who flew out to Ottawa and sat down with the conservative leader.

00:31:21.920 I think it was the first long form sit down interview he had done since the Jordan Peterson one that he did at the very beginning of the year.

00:31:28.360 And I just want to sort of talk a little bit about my takeaway from the interview and a little bit of the media's reaction.

00:31:35.640 So for me, the thing, first of all, I was delighted that Pierre Polyev would sit down with me and do an interview with me.

00:31:41.560 I think it was a great sign for independent media that he doesn't believe in the sort of lockdown club that you have to be part of the parliamentary press gallery or work for a legacy media press outlet in order to get access to a politician.

00:31:53.620 I think that's the exact correct step for the future.

00:31:56.740 And it was nice to see that, you know, juxtaposed that with the fact that our reporters weren't even let into the room for Mark Carney's launch event in Edmonton.

00:32:04.320 Even mild-mannered, polite Isaac Lamoureux, who's from Edmonton, wasn't allowed into the room.

00:32:09.860 So, you know, huge, huge difference in terms of access.

00:32:13.820 I think that my questions on immigration, asking him about deportations of illegals, deportation of people who commit violent crimes.

00:32:23.960 You know, he mentioned specifically people that go to these Gaza rallies and, you know, commit hate crimes and try to burn down synagogues, all kinds of stuff, that he would have no tolerance for that.

00:32:33.800 And he would deport those people and cancel their visas.

00:32:36.100 He talked about how he wanted to get the immigration levels back down to the Harper era, which, you know, some people in our audience will say, well, that's not good enough.

00:32:42.940 We want to have more of an immigration break. 1.00

00:32:44.920 But I think when you think about the fact that Justin Trudeau is letting in half a million new permanent residents every year, plus another million-some students and temporary four visas, I think we end up having somewhere in the orbit between two and three million newcomers a year.

00:32:58.520 And Pierre's saying, let's bring it back down to 200 to 250.

00:33:02.900 I think that that is huge.

00:33:04.500 And I was very pleased to hear him say that.

00:33:07.580 And then this was the clip that really melted the minds of the legacy media.

00:33:12.340 So I asked him about access to politicians, like I mentioned, versus the parliamentary press gallery.

00:33:19.160 Like, part of the problem with independent press is that we can't get into the parliamentary press gallery because it's run by this kind of, like, mean girl group who don't acknowledge us as real journalists because we don't work for one of their outlets.

00:33:31.860 So he's saying that those people won't be in charge anymore and he would let everyone in.

00:33:35.560 So I think we have a little clip of what that looked like.

00:33:38.480 Let's play that clip, please.

00:33:39.640 The parliamentary press gallery is like an insider's group.

00:33:42.960 They don't want to give access to people who don't work for legacy media.

00:33:46.200 What would your policy be around allowing access to your government or to you personally for independent media?

00:33:52.060 Absolutely.

00:33:52.700 I think their independent media should be allowed on the precinct.

00:33:55.980 There's no reason why it should be a small cabal of government-approved mouthpieces.

00:34:01.640 So I'll just walk us through what happened there.

00:34:07.260 So first we had TVI journalist Hadi Hassan shared that clip on X and basically just described what it was in French.

00:34:15.120 We had the Toronto Star columnist and CBC pundit Chantelle Hebert chimed in.

00:34:21.000 She quote tweeted it and wrote, sounds familiar somehow.

00:34:25.740 So I guess that's supposed to be a Trump reference and supposed to make us feel very scared that somehow Polly Ev is like a fascist or something. 0.92

00:34:34.660 Okay, and then next we had her Toronto Star colleague, sports columnist. 0.88

00:34:40.660 This guy is like perpetually miserable and angry, Bruce Arthur.

00:34:44.060 He weighs in and he said, for the record, that is Candace Malcolm, whose faux news operation, True North, employs racism and proud boy pusher Harrison Faulkner and Malcolm co-founded Junior with Kian Bexty. 0.89

00:34:57.560 Rot.

00:34:58.020 Okay, one more, one more.

00:35:04.380 Then we had a freelance journalist, a parliamentary press gallery member, Dale Smith, who's a reporter, and he is just really amusing.

00:35:12.860 He really doesn't like us either.

00:35:14.620 So he writes on X, reminder, it's not up to the government to decide who gets gallery membership.

00:35:19.780 The gallery is self-governing.

00:35:21.500 And so, yeah, that's the point.

00:35:22.860 Like I said, I didn't ask Pierre if he could get us into the parliamentary press gallery.

00:35:27.360 I said, well, you give us access because the parliamentary press gallery is this insider's club.

00:35:31.140 And then Dale Smith added this.

00:35:32.880 He said, regarding the interview question, True North slash Bexty slash Juno News haven't been granted membership because they're not actually journalists.

00:35:44.020 Okay, so I guess we're not real journalists because we don't, what, tow the party line.

00:35:49.800 We don't take subsidies from Trudeau.

00:35:51.800 You know, we're not loyal, obedient members of the press like him and his friends are.

00:35:56.420 So I actually wear that as a badge of honor.

00:35:58.460 What did you think?

00:35:59.820 Oh, me as well.

00:36:00.600 I completely agree.

00:36:01.880 And I think that there's nothing more banal than a journalist who pretends to be unbiased and objective.

00:36:08.200 Nobody is.

00:36:08.980 We're all human beings.

00:36:10.040 We all have our own internal biases.

00:36:13.540 And so I'm probably a bit of a conservative partisan.

00:36:16.840 I don't mind admitting that when I write something or when I'm on a podcast because I think it's important for people to know where I'm coming from.

00:36:25.000 And I think that's actually part of the new media is what makes it superior to mainstream media is that we don't constrain ourselves to this fake position of neutrality that they do because they're not neutral. 0.85

00:36:38.080 And for them to pretend that they are is completely ridiculous and absurd. 0.62

00:36:42.400 And people are recognizing that.

00:36:43.640 And that's why their viewership is down so much and why Chorus Entertainment is a penny stock that's probably going to be going out of business as soon as Trudeau is out of office.

00:36:51.060 Well, it's funny because, yeah, like that was the kind of the hit that they used to make against me that I was more conservative.

00:36:58.060 And to me, that's nothing to be ashamed of.

00:37:00.660 I'm proud of the fact that I'm a conservative.

00:37:02.580 I'm probably more socially conservative than either of the mainstream political parties in the country.

00:37:08.120 Actually, definitely am even more so than the People's Party.

00:37:10.520 But that's that's the way it's like I'm not going to pretend that I'm neutral and pretend that I'm Rosemary Barton to go out there and give interviews, even though we know that she is biased from the left.

00:37:21.340 But she just doesn't admit it.

00:37:22.360 And that's that's sort of I think the main difference.

00:37:24.520 And, you know, our news isn't for everyone.

00:37:27.380 So if you don't like our perspective, then you don't have to watch us.

00:37:30.220 We're not trying to force it down your throat and we're not trying to take government subsidies.

00:37:33.760 We're not saying that everyone should pay for us.

00:37:35.560 We just want to be able to have the opportunity to report to our audience that wants to hear news from our perspective and opinion.

00:37:43.660 So, yeah, I find it funny that they get so worked up and so upset over us having just being able to do our job like I don't begrudge them for doing their job.

00:37:54.280 But I do think part of it definitely is the fact that we are growing and we have a successful business model and people are interested in our work.

00:38:01.520 And I don't think that the same is true for them.

00:38:04.240 OK, let's move on, Alex.

00:38:06.100 You were in Ottawa.

00:38:06.880 I think we just miss each other.

00:38:08.100 I think you got there the day that I left.

00:38:10.640 But you were there to cover this government lawsuit over the limits of prurogation.

00:38:16.560 So why don't you give us a quick rundown on what happened over there?

00:38:19.980 Yeah, so it was a pretty exciting to me experience.

00:38:23.720 Most people would find it maybe a little bit boring because there's a lot of kind of deep legalese going on there.

00:38:29.840 It was in the federal court.

00:38:31.120 So the Justice Center for Constitutional Freedoms were the council representing two Nova Scotians, one of which was a well-practiced lawyer who are challenging Trudeau's decision to advise the governor general to prorogue parliament.

00:38:45.400 It was a really interesting case.

00:38:48.280 I think my opinion on it has differed a little bit since I came back.

00:38:53.040 And the reason being is that we have to understand that these decisions cut both ways.

00:38:58.920 So really, to the Coles Notes version, the question, to put it most simply, is does the government have an unlimited power to prorogue parliament?

00:39:06.720 In a sense, no, Section 5 says that the government must sit at least once per year.

00:39:13.540 So, no, they don't have an unlimited power.

00:39:15.660 But that means that theoretically, they only have to sit once, one day per year.

00:39:20.080 The rest of the year, theoretically, they could prorogue forever.

00:39:23.800 We do have a fixed term limit.

00:39:25.320 So that means that they wouldn't be able to avoid an election within at least five years if they were to do that.

00:39:30.740 It wouldn't be a popular choice.

00:39:33.240 But the concern I have is this.

00:39:35.340 So imagine a situation where Pierre Polyev became prime minister with a slim minority.

00:39:41.100 And immediately, the liberals and the NDP created a coalition crisis and tried to overthrow his government.

00:39:47.220 Well, that's what they did in 2006, right?

00:39:48.940 Exactly.

00:39:49.520 Exactly.

00:39:50.020 So this is not unprecedented.

00:39:51.640 If they were to do that again, and Polyev didn't have the option of proroguing, or he did have the option of proroguing, but it could be challenged in the courts,

00:39:59.140 then that presents a very significant danger to the Conservative Party and democracy generally.

00:40:03.920 79% of the appointed judges in Canada are not only Liberal Party members, they're Liberal Party donors.

00:40:12.080 And so while I really like this judge, Paul Crampton, who was appointed by Stephen Harper, not all judges are good.

00:40:19.080 And we have to remember that judges are just random lawyers who are appointed by politicians.

00:40:23.460 They're not elected.

00:40:25.080 They're not accountable to the public.

00:40:26.600 And so I think there is some concern, on my part anyway, that it would be a dangerous precedent to have judges drift outside of the legal lane and into the political lane.

00:40:39.780 That being said, I'm completely sympathetic to the JCCF's concerns.

00:40:44.080 I think that prorogation is completely unsuitable in the current situation that we're in.

00:40:47.820 I think it only serves the best interests of the Liberal Party and not Canadians. 0.99

00:40:50.880 But I am concerned about the precedent that a decision might set in this case.

00:40:57.040 And so what was the decision?

00:40:58.760 Like, was the prorogation overturned?

00:41:01.460 I saw that they were saying that they had to make a decision before it becomes moot, but it's getting pretty close to that time anyway.

00:41:07.820 So what's going to happen next?

00:41:08.900 Yeah, so they said the lead counsel for the Trudeau government said that they need until at least February 18th to submit responses to the interveners.

00:41:17.140 So I don't think we'll see any result before then.

00:41:20.000 However, Crampton said that he would be rendering a result well in advance of March 24th, which I do appreciate.

00:41:27.820 I'm not super optimistic that this case is going to go through.

00:41:31.340 I think that there's probably a good case for a Section 3 challenge to Carney becoming Prime Minister, because Section 3 establishes the Charter, it establishes as a fundamental right that Canadians have a right to vote for the people who represent them in government.

00:41:48.520 And Carney being an unelected Prime Minister would be rather unprecedented in the history of Westminster democracies.

00:41:55.080 So I think that there may be a good Section 3 challenge for that that might be more appropriate than the challenge for prorogation.

00:42:01.340 But again, I want to make it very clear.

00:42:02.780 I totally support the JCCF and their concerns.

00:42:05.560 I do, however, see the Trudeau government lawyers point that this might establish a bit of a dangerous precedent.

00:42:11.320 Great.

00:42:11.920 Okay, Alex, well, I appreciate you heading out to Ottawa and doing that report.

00:42:15.580 Everyone, you can find Alex's reports at JunoNews.com.

00:42:18.840 He's a True North reporter.

00:42:19.900 And again, their journalism is published and posted on Juno News.

00:42:24.180 So Alex, thanks so much for joining the Candace Malcolm Show today.

00:42:26.140 It was great to have you on.

00:42:27.320 Thank you for having me.

00:42:28.320 Appreciate it.

00:42:29.080 All right, everyone.

00:42:29.920 Thank you so much for tuning in.

00:42:31.420 Again, have a wonderful, happy Family Day for those in Ontario and Alberta.

00:42:36.300 And to everyone else, we will see you back tomorrow for all the news.

00:42:39.780 Thank you so much.

00:42:40.860 God bless.

00:42:41.320 God bless.

The Candice Malcolm Show - February 17, 2025

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