The Candice Malcolm Show - March 12, 2025


Doug Ford FOLDS to Trump’s retaliatory threats


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Join us as we discuss when the next Canadian election will be called, and why it should come sooner rather than later. We are joined by Brett and Kevin of Government Is Corrupt to discuss the latest in the trade war between Canada and the United States.

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00:00:00.000 Thank you for joining us.
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00:01:00.000 Thank you.
00:01:30.000 Thank you so much for joining us.
00:01:31.080 We have a great show for you today.
00:01:32.860 We're going to talk about when the election is going to come.
00:01:35.680 We know that Mark Carney, Prime Minister-designate, is going to be sworn in any day now.
00:01:41.760 And the rumors are saying that the day that he gets sworn in, he will also call an election.
00:01:46.580 I hope he does.
00:01:47.420 Canadians are the ones that should determine who our Prime Minister is.
00:01:50.620 After all, we deserve an election.
00:01:52.380 We're going to talk about that.
00:01:53.020 We're going to talk about the latest with the tariffs and the trade war between Canada and the United States.
00:01:57.600 Ontario Premier Doug Ford going out big and then totally reversing everything because, of course.
00:02:03.320 And we're going to talk about, we're going to tell you the truth about subsidies and whether or not Canada is the bad guy in this story.
00:02:10.460 And I'm excited today to be joined by some great guests.
00:02:15.060 First, I want to tell you about my favorite comment from yesterday's show.
00:02:18.800 So, yes, we read all of the comments.
00:02:21.080 And this one just stuck out to me.
00:02:22.580 It was posted by an individual named Tammy Robinson, and she wrote this.
00:02:27.840 She said, I did the math.
00:02:29.840 Canada has at least 41 million people.
00:02:32.440 They say 150,000 voted for Carney.
00:02:35.480 That works out to 0.0037 percentage of people that selected Mark Carney to be our new unelected PM.
00:02:46.220 This is despicable.
00:02:47.380 You're absolutely right, Tammy.
00:02:49.500 This is not how a democracy should work.
00:02:52.740 Mark Carney was not democratically elected.
00:02:55.680 And what a sad state of affairs that only 150,000 people voted in the Liberal Party leadership race.
00:03:02.460 Again, more people visit my website, our website, Juno News, every single day than people who bothered to vote for Canada's new prime minister.
00:03:10.500 What a sad state of affairs.
00:03:11.480 And what happened to the other 250,000 people who were registered Liberal members who, for some reason or another, did not vote?
00:03:19.820 Lots of questions still remain about that vote.
00:03:22.880 We spent most of the show yesterday talking about that with Chris Sims.
00:03:26.520 So go check out that episode.
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00:03:52.320 Okay, let's get to the guests.
00:03:53.340 Very pleased to be joined today by some of my favorite people online.
00:03:57.000 I'm talking about Brett Sears and Kevin, who runs the website or the X account, Government is Corrupt.
00:04:03.340 So Brett is an independent researcher and citizen journalist, and Kevin does much of the same.
00:04:08.440 So gentlemen, thank you so much for joining us.
00:04:11.020 Thanks for having us back on.
00:04:12.960 Thank you, Candice.
00:04:14.320 Okay, so let's talk about the election, because I think the election is coming.
00:04:18.200 We had Philippe Champagne, Philippe Francois Champagne, teasing the idea of an imminent election.
00:04:24.820 He was speaking to reporters yesterday, and he basically says that he thinks that the election is imminent.
00:04:31.900 We also heard from Liberal MP Peter Fracacostos, I think I pronounced that correctly.
00:04:37.860 He told reporters yesterday, I think it's time for a government to earn a mandate.
00:04:42.920 Let's play that clip.
00:04:44.420 Is it better for the liberals to have an election sooner than later?
00:04:46.800 Let's see where some of this polling momentum go.
00:04:49.340 Look, I think the country is asking for an election.
00:04:54.220 I do hear that.
00:04:55.220 I think it's time for a government to earn a mandate to take on what is the foremost threat right now,
00:05:00.980 and that's Donald Trump and the U.S. government, which was once an ally and now is perhaps not.
00:05:07.780 So you can hear that he wants to have an election.
00:05:10.960 I mean, I think that's correct.
00:05:12.040 I don't think that Mark Carney has a mandate or has any legitimacy to the Canadian public right now.
00:05:16.920 But then you can already tell he's kind of prepositioning that this election is going to be all about Donald Trump,
00:05:22.060 and that's why they need an election. 0.99
00:05:24.360 Brett, what do you think?
00:05:25.000 Do you think that we're going to have an election called right away?
00:05:26.720 And if so, what's going to be the major issue there?
00:05:30.360 Yeah, I think we're going to have an election pretty soon.
00:05:32.860 I mean, if you're looking at the polls, I mean, as much as I trust the polls,
00:05:36.420 but they're showing that the liberals are gaining a lot of ground.
00:05:40.680 Some polls even have the liberals ahead of the conservatives.
00:05:43.240 And I think that right after selecting a new leader in Mark Carney will be the best time for them to...
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00:06:19.720 To, I think that in their opinion, now would be the best time to call an election if they're going to try to win.
00:06:28.540 So I think we'll have one.
00:06:31.260 Like, Pierre Polyev has set this up as a carbon tax election.
00:06:35.920 We have Carney saying he's going to cancel the consumer carbon tax anyway.
00:06:41.380 It's kind of, that issue has kind of taken a backseat to everything that's been going on with Donald Trump and the tariffs.
00:06:47.560 And I think that that's going to be the main, the ballot box question here coming up to the next election.
00:06:54.880 What we're kind of seeing is, it seems to be the parties, the liberals and conservatives, NDP, Green, who's going to be the toughest on Trump?
00:07:03.420 I don't know that that's necessarily a wise strategy.
00:07:06.040 Perhaps it is for the liberals slash NDP.
00:07:11.760 But I would personally like to see if the conservative wants to gain some ground.
00:07:17.140 I think that they should try more of a friendly approach with the Trump administration.
00:07:22.680 I'd like to see that, too.
00:07:24.520 I mean, I think that if you have Trump derangement syndrome and you're anti-American and you don't like what's happening in the South, you have lots of parties to vote for, right?
00:07:33.580 The liberals are right there.
00:07:34.760 The NDP are trying to outdo the liberals as usual by going further to the left.
00:07:38.100 And then you have the Green Party with the crazy lady who's just constantly embarrassing herself and all of us, Elizabeth May. 1.00
00:07:44.680 And so why not have one party that's more open to the idea of let's build a friendship and a relationship.
00:07:50.560 We can communicate with Trump.
00:07:52.120 We have people who have connections to Trump.
00:07:54.800 I mean, even MP Jamil Javani is a close personal friend of Vice President J.D. Vance.
00:08:00.420 They went to law school together and Javani was down at the inauguration with J.D. Vance, like taking pictures together.
00:08:07.360 So they obviously have inroads there that they could use.
00:08:10.940 But we don't we don't see any of that.
00:08:12.260 Instead, we see Pierre Polyev also trying to take the tough guy routine with Trump.
00:08:19.760 Trump said that Polyev is not a MAGA guy.
00:08:22.440 And I think that that Pierre Polyev has been using that message to echo like, no, I'm not that kind of conservative.
00:08:28.620 I'm not part of the that that part of the new right, which I don't know if that's a mistake or not.
00:08:33.320 What do you think, Kevin?
00:08:35.280 I can tell you that just by, you know, Brett called about the the polling.
00:08:38.900 But, you know, I don't really focus too much on the polling.
00:08:41.180 I look at Polymarket, right.
00:08:43.360 It's much more accurate because, you know, it's people that actually have skin in the game, people that make bets.
00:08:48.600 And a month ago, you know, the likelihood of Pierre Polyev winning the next election was at about 85 percent.
00:08:55.080 Today, it's 59 percent.
00:08:56.480 So everything that he's been saying over the last month has clearly not done him any favors when it comes to, you know, the polling does show that, you know, a similar trajectory.
00:09:08.100 But, you know, it does not do any favors when it comes to his likelihood of, you know, forming the next government.
00:09:13.860 And we're it's pretty clear that he's lost his majority lead.
00:09:18.220 You know, even if he does win the next election, he's not going to win a majority.
00:09:22.740 It's going to be a minority government at best.
00:09:25.640 And then what happens then you're going to have what the liberals, you know, team up with the NDP or or whatnot and try to create some sort of coalition to, you know, topple the government in 12 to 18 months.
00:09:39.320 That is the most likely scenario.
00:09:42.380 And the worst case scenario, you know, for Pierre Polyev is that he loses the election altogether.
00:09:48.700 And, you know, the liberals go on to form a minority or, you know, even even a majority government.
00:09:54.420 I don't think they would form a majority government.
00:09:56.360 But, you know, a minority government is is likely, you know, is in the cards.
00:10:02.120 So it's going to be a minority government 100 percent.
00:10:05.060 And it's just it's just a matter of who is going to be the opposition and who is going to be the prime minister.
00:10:11.920 Well, I hope you're wrong.
00:10:12.680 I hope that that it hasn't swung that badly, because to me, if Canadians are that sort of forgiving, maybe naive to give the liberals basically a fourth term,
00:10:21.800 given that Mark Carney was Justin Trudeau's advisor and that they seem to see eye to eye even yesterday, he said it will be a very seamless transition.
00:10:29.480 Of course it will, because Carney has been the one advising Trudeau.
00:10:32.860 And presumably they have the same people working on their campaign, the same team.
00:10:35.740 That's what Warren Kinsella, an unliberal insider, wrote on X a few months ago.
00:10:40.200 I want to pull this element into it as well, though, because article in iPolitics saying that Mark Carney has not yet reached out to the NDP about prolonging the current government.
00:10:51.640 This was the fear that a lot of us had, that once Mark Carney became prime minister, rather than going to the public for an election, he would try to make another backroom deal with Jagmeet Singh.
00:11:02.500 We know that Jagmeet Singh is always willing to make a deal with the liberals because when he does, it gives him more power and allows him to stay in office longer.
00:11:10.500 I think that one of the biggest losers out of the last session of parliament, I mean, obviously it was Justin Trudeau.
00:11:15.320 He did so poorly that he had to resign afterwards.
00:11:18.060 But I think now the Canadian mind is focused on Jagmeet Singh for being the person, the accomplice, the person that propped up that government for so long.
00:11:25.720 And so if there's one good thing that Mark Carney is doing so far, it seems it might be icing out Jagmeet Singh and saying, I don't need you anymore.
00:11:32.220 I don't want to do a coalition with you.
00:11:34.120 You're out of the picture.
00:11:35.300 I'm going to take this on my own, go to the people, go to the governor general and demand an election, ask for an election.
00:11:41.800 That would be the best course of action.
00:11:44.420 And it would be kind of delicious and fulfilling for Jagmeet Singh to be sidelined in that way.
00:11:49.840 And that does appear to be what is happening.
00:11:52.860 What do you think, Brett?
00:11:55.820 Yeah, like you said, Jagmeet Singh, he's already said that he would prop up, you know, the current unelected liberal leader.
00:12:08.240 He said, you know, he wants to do it for working people.
00:12:10.960 Of course, that's obviously his excuse for everything.
00:12:13.380 Working people, whatever that means to him, I'm not exactly sure.
00:12:17.480 The current government hasn't done a whole lot over the past decade to help working people.
00:12:23.940 So what he sees in them, you know, who knows?
00:12:27.020 But yeah, like you said, he wants to stay in power.
00:12:28.820 He'd be willing to do that.
00:12:30.180 I don't think it would be wise for the liberals to keep tagging him along if they're able to do it on their own.
00:12:37.660 And I think that they're probably looking at their internal polling and saying that they can form a government without him.
00:12:44.920 There has been some talk that even if Pierre Polyev wins the most number of seats, that the other parties will try to form a coalition.
00:12:52.880 And I believe that's what Elizabeth May was talking about yesterday, where she was talking about how, you know, even if Pierre Polyev comes out with most seats, it doesn't necessarily mean he can form government in our system.
00:13:02.340 That there could be a coalition between Greens, NDP, and Liberal to make more seats.
00:13:06.800 And that would sort of look more like a European coalition that they tend to do, where, you know, whoever wins the most seats isn't necessarily the leader.
00:13:15.100 To me, that's kind of a terrifying idea.
00:13:16.640 I don't think it's ever happened in Canadian history.
00:13:18.300 I think that the party that gets the most seats should always be the one that gets to form government.
00:13:23.260 But I don't know.
00:13:24.620 You know, these are sort of rocky times.
00:13:27.100 And it doesn't seem like we're always going with our political norms.
00:13:29.880 Things are changing.
00:13:30.480 What do you think, Kevin?
00:13:33.440 Just want to, you know, address one of your last questions that you posed to Brett about, you know, Jagmeet Singh propping up the Liberal government.
00:13:41.320 And, you know, he's been doing that overtly, right?
00:13:45.440 He's been, you know, in your face saying we're propping up this government.
00:13:48.920 But what if he takes more of, you know, a subversive approach to it and props up the Liberal government by tanking his own party and pushing all of his supporters to vote Liberal?
00:14:00.480 That way, he drives the Liberal numbers up knowing he's already qualified for his pension.
00:14:07.160 His political career in Canada is virtually over.
00:14:10.520 He's probably the most hated politician, if not the, you know, in the top three or four most hated politicians in Canadian history, specifically because of what he's done for the last four or five years.
00:14:22.660 So why not, you know, prop out the Liberal government by tanking his own party and then, you know, the NDP will say, you know, it's time for a leadership race and then vote him out and then he can sail off into the sunset.
00:14:36.800 I think that is the actual course that Jagmeet Singh is taking here.
00:14:45.720 He's attempting to destroy his own party.
00:14:48.480 It doesn't take much.
00:14:49.660 You know, he's pretty good at that.
00:14:51.120 And if you take a look at, you know, some of the things that he's been saying, you know, he's just becoming ever more increasingly insane.
00:14:57.820 And even yesterday, he did a video about, you know, wanting to deny Donald Trump access to Canada because, you know, he's a felon and then he's asking the party leaders to step in and do the same.
00:15:09.260 You know, people are just looking at this guy like this guy is, you know, an old terrorist.
00:15:15.260 Who is he even to say that we should be denying somebody else access to our country when all of this ties to, you know, Calistani extremism?
00:15:30.420 Well, you know, it's like he doesn't even have to just subvert his own party.
00:15:34.180 He just like naturally is so unliked right now that I think as long as he is the leader of the party, his party will collapse, whether he likes it or not.
00:15:42.760 OK, I want to move on here and talk a little bit about the latest in the tariff war, if you want to call it that, or back and forth.
00:15:49.320 So yesterday, as we told you on the show, Ontario Premier Doug Ford was coming out tough, coming out strong, saying that he had imposed a 25 percent tariff on electricity, that Ontario supplies electricity to a few of the northern American states.
00:16:05.180 And he was urging Alberta Premier Daniel Smith to do something similar with Alberta energy, with Alberta oil.
00:16:13.260 Premier Daniel Smith thankfully shut that idea down immediately.
00:16:17.220 Well, Ford's tariffs have been noticed.
00:16:19.900 And so we had at a White House briefing, at a press briefing, White House Press Secretary Carolyn Leavitt warned that there would be grave consequences on Canada if they considered shutting off electricity to Americans and American citizens.
00:16:35.060 We have a clip of that.
00:16:38.060 Conversations between the administration and the Canadians going on over this tariff, because the Ontario Premier says the next step is to cut off electricity to the U.S.
00:16:46.620 And the president put out a statement after seeing those comments and said that it would be there would be grave consequences imposed on Canada if they think about shutting off electricity for the United States of America and our citizens.
00:17:01.440 And so on top of that, we had Donald Trump jumping on to True Social.
00:17:06.120 And here is what he wrote.
00:17:07.740 He wrote, why would our country allow another country to supply us with electricity, even for a small area?
00:17:14.160 Who made these decisions and why?
00:17:15.580 Can you imagine Canada stooping so low as to use electricity that so affects the life of innocent people as a bargaining chip and threat?
00:17:24.460 They will pay a financial price for this so big that it will be read about in the history books for many years to come.
00:17:32.460 And so, you know, on the one hand, Donald, sorry, Premier Ford has this card saying, you know, these people do rely on energy from Ontario and we have this ability.
00:17:41.100 So if you're going to throw a tariff on us that will harm our auto industry and potentially threaten the jobs of up to half a million Canadians in Ontario in the auto industry, then we're going to do this back.
00:17:52.460 But then you can also see Trump's point, which is like, it's kind of cruel to stoop so low as to cut people's electricity off in a cold winter.
00:18:00.820 You can see it from both sides.
00:18:02.400 So that didn't last for very long, right?
00:18:04.060 So Ford said that he had introduced those tariffs and then we had both President Trump and Press Secretary Leavitt coming out really strong.
00:18:12.720 Well, let's cut to yesterday afternoon when Doug Ford was speaking to the press, looking a little bit demoralized here and talking about his agreement, basically, to get rid of these tariffs.
00:18:26.000 Let's play that clip.
00:18:26.480 Well, just a little while ago, I had an opportunity to speak to Secretary Lutnik and Secretary Lutnik has sent out an olive branch to us to come down and immediately meet with him, meet with the whole trade administration and discuss the future.
00:18:48.200 So there he was, basically, completely folding.
00:18:53.920 So I want to read what Mark Nixon had to say about it on X.
00:18:57.360 He wrote, Doug Ford tried to flex on the U.S. with 25% tariff.
00:19:01.740 Trump hit back with 50% tariff.
00:19:03.660 So one phone call later, Ford folded like a cheap tent.
00:19:06.700 Now he's off to Washington with dominant LeBlanc, like two kids set to the principal's office.
00:19:11.440 Will he act tough in the United States?
00:19:14.300 And then we had U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik and Doug Ford releasing a joint statement together, saying that Secretary Lutnik agreed to officially meet with Premier Ford in Washington on Thursday, March 13th, alongside the United States trade representatives to discuss renewed USMCA ahead of April 2nd reciprocal tariff deadline.
00:19:34.980 In response, Ontario agreed to suspend its 25% surcharge on exports of electricity to Michigan, New York and Minnesota.
00:19:42.360 So it looks like, Brett, that, I mean, after all that tough talk, I don't know if Ford considers this a win.
00:19:52.020 To me, it looks like he tried and then he effed around and found out, basically.
00:19:57.940 Yeah, for real.
00:19:58.720 As Trump said, we're going to hit a 50% tariff and that would be devastating.
00:20:02.000 So Ford realized that, hey, we don't actually have the Trump card, so to speak, that we thought we did.
00:20:07.780 What do you think?
00:20:08.660 Yeah, I mean, Trump put out a tweet.
00:20:10.260 He wrote, because our tariffs are reciprocal, we'll just get it all back on April 2nd.
00:20:14.640 He went on to say that we don't need your cars.
00:20:16.920 We don't need your lumber.
00:20:17.940 We don't need your energy.
00:20:19.020 And very soon you will find that out.
00:20:21.240 So, you know, and he's right about that.
00:20:22.700 He doesn't need any of our cars, our lumber or energy.
00:20:28.480 Really, the United States is kind of doing us a favor by purchasing all that from us.
00:20:36.240 And, you know, people talk about Trump being isolationist.
00:20:43.620 I think it's more of a case where, you know, he just wants to be self-sufficient in America.
00:20:51.940 I think Canada should be more self-sufficient as well.
00:20:55.380 And I think that that's something that's going to end up coming out of this for both of our countries,
00:21:00.120 which may be something that's good.
00:21:04.280 But, yeah, yeah.
00:21:06.240 Well, it's interesting.
00:21:07.520 So we had Donald Trump responding to all of this.
00:21:10.700 So yesterday outside the White House, he was speaking to reporters.
00:21:13.300 He confirmed that the electricity surcharge had been dropped and he complimented Doug Ford.
00:21:18.180 So this is sort of just quintessential Donald Trump, the way he speaks,
00:21:22.860 complimenting Doug Ford, calling him a strong man and saying that they had reached a deal.
00:21:26.900 Let's play that clip.
00:21:28.520 Already Canada, and I respect very much, as you know, there's a very strong man in Canada
00:21:33.820 who said he was going to charge a surcharge or a tariff on electricity coming into our country.
00:21:40.780 He's always called and he said he's not going to do that.
00:21:43.480 OK, he's not going to do that.
00:21:45.520 And it would have been a very bad thing if he did.
00:21:47.580 And he's not going to do that.
00:21:48.800 So I respect that.
00:21:49.720 So, I mean, you could call it a win.
00:21:53.220 I don't know.
00:21:53.900 To me, again, Ford comes across as a little bit of a blustering fool.
00:21:58.220 But, I mean, if the goal here is to get the meeting, go down to Washington, have the conversations,
00:22:05.180 eliminate these tariffs, then I don't know, maybe it's a win.
00:22:07.660 What do you think?
00:22:08.140 A very strong man to call them, yeah.
00:22:10.340 So, I mean, yeah, if that was his goal, to go and get those meetings, you could consider it a win in that sense.
00:22:15.600 We have premiers acting like the prime minister of Canada right now, which is kind of crazy to think about.
00:22:23.260 I mean, Danielle Smith was able to meet with him at Mar-a-Lago without taking this approach of threatening to cut off oil to the United States.
00:22:34.140 So there's definitely other routes you could have went about it.
00:22:36.780 But I am pleased to see the way that Trump reacted to that in kind of a friendly way.
00:22:42.740 It seems to me that if and when Pierre Pagliau becomes prime minister, he may be able to walk back some of his comments about talking tough and not taking off the tariffs that the Trudeau government, at that time, government did.
00:22:59.900 So hopefully this gives Pagliau have a chance to walk back some of his earlier statements.
00:23:09.240 Well, I hope so.
00:23:10.020 I think that if anything, we should use this as an opportunity to liberalize our markets.
00:23:16.100 And I don't know if I let's let's stick with with Doug Ford for a minute.
00:23:19.000 Because one of the things that I noticed earlier this week is that Doug Ford is out there complimenting the Liberals.
00:23:25.520 So during a press conference on Monday, he was praising Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, saying that he was always willing to put ideology aside for the good of the country.
00:23:36.480 I never saw that for the prime minister.
00:23:38.880 But this is what Doug Ford had to say.
00:23:41.380 I also want to thank Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for his many years of service to Canada.
00:23:48.860 You know, we we didn't always agree.
00:23:51.000 But when it mattered, Prime Minister Trudeau was always willing to put party and ideology aside for the good of the country.
00:24:00.220 Was I miss that.
00:24:01.920 OK, then Doug Ford continues.
00:24:03.920 He was speaking on MSNBC and he began praising Mark Carney, saying that he's a very bright individual.
00:24:10.420 And he understands finances like no other person.
00:24:13.820 Let's play that clip.
00:24:15.640 You guys are going through a transition in leadership as well.
00:24:18.420 You're about to have a new prime minister, Mark Carney.
00:24:21.680 Have you spoken to him since he won?
00:24:23.720 And where do you expect him to take this fight?
00:24:27.360 Well, I spoke to him yesterday.
00:24:29.500 He's a very bright individual.
00:24:31.420 He understands finances like no other person.
00:24:36.100 So I guess I guess Doug Ford is just a federal liberal now.
00:24:39.460 I don't I don't know how else to understand why he's out there doing this.
00:24:43.020 There's no reason for it.
00:24:44.000 There's no point.
00:24:44.760 I mean, he's already won his reelection.
00:24:46.700 And I don't know that he's going to try to convince what left wing Americans on MSNBC that that they're in good.
00:24:53.200 The Canada's in good hands now.
00:24:54.900 What do you make of all this, Kevin?
00:24:56.060 Well, if you take a look at it, you know, his track record of supporting the Liberals, he started back in 2020, you know, when he came out and what he did during the COVID with, you know, shutting down businesses right in line with the Liberal government, supported Justin Trudeau's Emergency Measures Act, was in Ottawa preaching about, you know, it's time to end this and, you know, send the people home and get Ottawa back to business.
00:25:24.160 So, you know, he's he's fallen in line with the Liberal government for a very long time.
00:25:29.580 And, you know, it's been my view that, you know, that one of the most dangerous types of politicians in Canada is is is a red conservative people that run under the conservative banner, but are actually, you know, liberal in nature. 0.58
00:25:43.240 And I believe even his brother, before he died, call him call him a pinko.
00:25:47.440 Right. So, you know, basically a communist.
00:25:49.660 So, you know, this is who Doug Ford is.
00:25:53.200 And this Team Canada approach.
00:25:56.340 Right. You know, quote, quote, Team Canada.
00:25:58.960 You know, we're all in this together, elbows up.
00:26:00.860 That is, you know, an election strategy.
00:26:03.280 That's a reelection strategy coming from the Liberal government.
00:26:06.280 That's this is a marketing strategy.
00:26:08.320 So the only benefit that Doug Ford is doing is to the Liberal Party itself.
00:26:16.780 So, you know, one has to understand or maybe we have to become more clear as to, you know, where Doug Ford's finances are coming from.
00:26:25.820 It would be nice if we could, you know, forensically audit our politicians to find out, you know, who they swear allegiance to, because it's obviously not the people anymore.
00:26:33.760 And it's not just Doug Ford. This is, you know, this is this is everybody.
00:26:37.440 But it's clear that, you know, and Doug Ford has said, you know, multiple times and more than once that he, you know, he enjoys talking to Christian Freeland.
00:26:47.040 You know, so, you know, I believe that, you know, Doug Ford is is just a liberal plant.
00:26:51.720 And it's it's a shame that, you know, so many people fell for his his and voted for him.
00:26:58.360 But, you know, you can see their their argument, you know, who everybody else is worse.
00:27:03.320 I mean, sure. But at the end of the day, they all fell in line with the same same ideology.
00:27:09.040 Right. So, yeah, Doug Ford, not not very good for the people of Ontario.
00:27:14.500 And I think that, you know, he understands or and, you know, Mark Cardi understands that, you know, how Ontario votes is, you know, whoever wins Ontario in the federal polls, you know, is basically, you know, sure to to to win the federal election.
00:27:30.300 So, you know, why not, you know, get Doug Ford to help you campaign for the Liberal Party and then flip Ontario to red from blue?
00:27:38.680 And I think that's exactly what's happening.
00:27:40.420 So unfortunate. Brett, did you want to comment on that?
00:27:44.500 Yeah, I don't know. He. Doug Ford is a liberal.
00:27:51.940 So that's kind of just what he ran on during the election.
00:27:56.220 That's how he's always been acting. He's always been friendly with the with Trudeau, the federal government.
00:28:03.440 He's not doing the federal conservatives any favors.
00:28:06.480 Maybe he should be focusing a little bit more on trying to help them get reelected and not not start this cozying up to, you know, the Liberal Party.
00:28:18.040 Well, I want to shift gears a little bit and still talk about this tariff and so-called trade war, but talk more about Canada's role in it.
00:28:26.440 So President Trump recently said that Canada is charging between 200 and 250 percent tariffs on agriculture and dairy products.
00:28:34.320 The Canadian agricultural community has sort of hit back against that.
00:28:37.760 The legacy media has hit back against that.
00:28:39.740 But the more that you look at Canada's system, the more you realize that we do have tariffs.
00:28:45.140 So as much as we say that Trump is imposing tariffs and Canada is reacting with retaliatory tariffs, the truth of the matter is that Canada has tariffs and that Trump's tariffs are actually retaliating against ours.
00:28:57.880 So we looked into it a little bit. You know, Canada has a supply management system.
00:29:03.100 You might have heard about that before. And so this idea of a 250 percent tariff.
00:29:07.940 Well, the reality is that that tariff doesn't even often kick in because it doesn't kick in because the market is mostly blocked from outside dairy and specifically things like milk and cheese from coming in.
00:29:21.160 So it says, according to our USMCA agreement, says that this tariff would only apply if we were able to reach and exceed the quota on US dairy exports agreed under the USMCA agreement.
00:29:33.040 Frustratingly, the US has never gotten close to exceeding this quota because Canada has erected various protectionist measures that fly in the face of their trade obligations.
00:29:43.040 Canada has protected its dairy products under supply management, which are policies that are designed to protect Canadian farmers, block foreign competition, block foreign eggs, poultry and dairy from accessing our domestic markets.
00:29:58.640 So really, I mean, it is the tariffs that are there, but it's also supply management and the system.
00:30:05.860 And, you know, this used to be something that conservatives opposed, right?
00:30:10.260 Like when Prime Minister Stephen Harper was in power, I remember there was like a large debate within the Conservative Party as to whether or not, you know, Harper proudly abolished the wheat board and said, we don't need central planners anymore.
00:30:23.240 We're not living through Great Depression era times to get rid of the wheat board.
00:30:26.340 But then when it came to supply management of dairy, he refused and more and more conservatives within the party were voicing their opposition to this policy.
00:30:36.540 And in 2017, when the conservatives were running a leadership candidate to replace Stephen Harper, Max St. Bernier, who was the frontrunner at a time, was running on a policy of abolishing supply management.
00:30:49.700 He just barely lost that election to Andrew Scheer, who became the leader.
00:30:55.160 And Andrew Scheer was very proudly pro-supply management, which contradicted his sort of free market ideas about how Canada's market should be run like the Conservatives or the Free Market Party.
00:31:05.080 Pierre Polyev is also a proud advocate of the free market.
00:31:09.160 I think that's one of the strongest things that he does.
00:31:11.500 He's very articulate, very passionate about explaining why we need more free market reforms.
00:31:16.960 Even when I sat down with him a few weeks ago, you know, he was talking about Milton Friedman.
00:31:21.580 He was talking about Austrian economics and the need to have like freer markets and a tighter control on our money supply.
00:31:28.480 And yet when it comes to supply management, they don't really talk about it anymore.
00:31:32.220 And we just pretend it's not there or we pretend that it's a good thing.
00:31:35.440 Well, the Americans are noticing it.
00:31:36.940 And it seems like now is a good opportunity for Canada to do something about that.
00:31:40.560 And maybe it's time to dismantle it.
00:31:42.360 I mean, from my perspective, it's way past time.
00:31:44.760 We should have gotten rid of this when we got rid of the wheat board.
00:31:47.360 And yet it seems like sort of it's become like a sacred cow in Canadian politics where none of the parties are willing to, not even willing to criticize it.
00:31:55.680 They're not even willing to acknowledge it or talk about it.
00:31:58.240 They just deny it and say like Trump is wrong.
00:32:00.660 Well, there is some truth here, which is that Canada doesn't operate in a free market.
00:32:05.220 So this is one thing that I think is really important that we should get rid of.
00:32:10.220 Kevin, I'll bring you in on this.
00:32:11.800 I know you have some strong opinions about supply management.
00:32:14.220 So what do you think?
00:32:15.500 Yeah.
00:32:15.780 So, you know, I live in the dairy capital of Canada, right?
00:32:18.240 I'm in the eastern townships of Quebec.
00:32:20.180 You know, there's, you know, this is where the dairy comes from.
00:32:24.960 And, you know, people have to understand supply management came into effect under Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who was, you know, people say he was a liberal, but he was actually NDP, right?
00:32:33.420 He originally came from the NDP party, knew he wouldn't become prime minister under NDP, switched to the liberal.
00:32:40.100 So he's a communist.
00:32:41.480 You know, the supply management system is basically a USSR style system.
00:32:46.680 It's a socialist style system that's designed to, you know, eliminate competition and have the government in control of the market.
00:32:53.840 And when, you know, Pierre Elliott Trudeau brought in this system, fast forward to today, you know, 80% of the small and medium-sized family farms have been eliminated just because the price of the quota has gone up and up and up and up.
00:33:11.620 And, you know, your small businesses can't afford it.
00:33:14.320 So now they're forced to, you know, lease their land or, you know, sell their land altogether to the large conglomerates because they just can't afford the quota.
00:33:26.280 So it's absolutely destroyed, you know, the small and medium-sized farming industry, you know, specifically in Quebec.
00:33:33.660 And if you take a look at how it works, right, you know, they say in America, oh, you know, you know, farmers get subsidies from the government, you know, to offset the prices, which is true.
00:33:45.940 They get subsidies.
00:33:47.020 But if you take a look at how it's applied here, it's a regressive tax, right, because it's a tax on everything.
00:33:54.820 So it doesn't matter if you're making a million dollars a year or if you're, you know, on minimum wage and you're part of the working poor, you're still paying the same amount of tax.
00:34:03.700 So it actually penalizes the poor far more than it penalizes, you know, the middle class or, you know, the wealthier people.
00:34:13.180 And there was a study back in 2017 or 2018 that it actually increases the average family's, you know, annual grocery bill by about $800 to $1,200 a year.
00:34:23.700 And that was back in, you know, 2018.
00:34:25.820 You know, we know that, you know, the price of goods has, you know, probably, if not more, doubled since then.
00:34:31.820 So we're talking about probably close to, you know, $1,500 or $2,000 a year if the consumption hasn't changed from the average family.
00:34:39.600 So that is how much we are paying, how much tax, hidden tax, because it's not like it shows on a receipt or anything, right?
00:34:46.540 It's a hidden tax that people are paying to support this, you know, supply management system that provides no benefit to the country whatsoever, but allows, you know, the dairy cartel, I guess you could call it, to exert its political might on, you know, on parties to influence elections.
00:35:07.500 And you talked about Maxime Bernier versus Andrew Scheer.
00:35:10.580 And who's to say that the, you know, the people from, you know, the Quebec Dairy Mafia didn't buy up conservative memberships and vote for Andrew Scheer because he supported supply management, which just gave him an edge and beat out Maxime Bernier in that election.
00:35:26.380 Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that because it was such a contradiction at the time.
00:35:30.840 Like, it was so cringe that someone who was supposed to be from the base of the party, I'm talking about Andrew Scheer here, from the base of the party, like a true free market conservative, and yet he had this position on supply debt management.
00:35:42.460 Everyone knew it was so that he could get the dairy lobby.
00:35:45.000 There's a picture of him.
00:35:45.920 So he kind of leaned into it, and I think this was supposed to be sort of self-deprecating.
00:35:49.440 So he would take the jug of milk, you know, chug the milk at the convention, chug the milk when he was at a bar, like he was the guy drinking milk because he was supporting Canadian milk.
00:36:00.600 And, like, I get, I appreciate that it was sort of supposed to be a joke or a meme that he was making fun of himself, kind of.
00:36:07.840 But to me, the underlying principle, which is that, like, we believe in the free market.
00:36:12.020 We want to liberalize Canada's markets.
00:36:13.900 Oh, except for this one lobby that we're in the pocket of.
00:36:16.580 And so we're just going to embrace that and drink the milk.
00:36:19.640 I want to bring a few statistics into this.
00:36:21.620 So this is from Phil Kirpin, who runs an American company called Americans for Prosperity.
00:36:29.220 And he wrote on X that Canada adopted its Soviet-style supply management programs in the 1970s during the presidencies of Ford, Nixon, and Carter.
00:36:38.580 And here he links to a paper that kind of just, like, describes the origin of the Canadian Milk Supply Management Committee, which was founded in 1966.
00:36:49.740 And it is responsible for the supply management.
00:36:52.620 And then you can see he has this graph.
00:36:55.320 We have this graph here, figure one custom tariffs on selected over-quotas products in 2018.
00:37:01.740 And so it shows that butter is at 300 percent, cheese is at 250 percent, yogurt is at just under 250 percent, chicken 250 percent, eggs a little over 150 percent, and turkey the same thing.
00:37:17.000 So, yes, Canada does impose these tariffs.
00:37:20.740 And likewise, we have another one from the food professor.
00:37:26.100 This is a great account to follow on X.
00:37:29.520 This is run by Dr. Sylvan Schalbro, who is a professor at Dalhousie University.
00:37:36.260 And he shows the difference between supply management versus no supply management.
00:37:40.300 I think we have this graph.
00:37:41.340 So he says, since 1970, Canada has lost 94 percent of its dairy farmers under supply management, the same percentage decline as the U.S., where no supply management exists.
00:37:51.260 And therefore, industrial milk is three times cheaper.
00:37:54.740 Supply management didn't save anyone.
00:37:56.360 It only resulted in higher costs for Canadians.
00:37:58.720 So you can see up top, Americans started out with so many more dairy farms in Canada, comparably less, but we ended up in the same place.
00:38:06.480 So despite having this huge bureaucracy or this huge, like, program that prevents free exchange of goods, Canadians, like you said, Kevin, end up spending much, much more money at the grocery store.
00:38:20.120 We don't have the same selection.
00:38:21.660 And yet we kind of ended up in the same place.
00:38:24.080 What do you what do you make of all this, Brett?
00:38:25.340 Yeah, it's sad because I think that the last time we negotiated NAFTA, which became USMCA, that would have been a perfect time saying that was a perfect time to get rid of supply management.
00:38:38.880 It's always a sticking point in our trade deals.
00:38:42.180 We said not only with the United States, I think it was Pompeo that time was coming up and telling us all this stuff about how how bad supply management was to work with in negotiating international trade deals.
00:38:54.320 It was also a sticking point in the European Union trade deals.
00:38:58.780 If you remember that, that's the one where Chrystia Freeland basically came up prime because she couldn't get a deal right off the bat. 1.00
00:39:03.800 And that was also because of supply management.
00:39:06.780 And, you know, it's it's it during the during the leadership debate, the most recent leadership debate where Prya Paliyev won, they were asked if what they thought about the supply management.
00:39:21.240 And every one of the conservative leaders that are not just Paulyyev, but every one of them answered that they would keep it.
00:39:25.800 And I don't understand why, because sure, you might get some votes in a leadership race.
00:39:30.800 That's how Andrew Scheer, like you said, beat Maxine Bernier.
00:39:34.200 He signed up a bunch of of liberals.
00:39:37.140 But in the federal election, they're just going to vote against you anyway.
00:39:40.080 You know, they're going to they're going to vote for the Liberal Party because that's who who gave them the socialist system.
00:39:44.340 And I'm glad that you pointed out, Kevin, that this is a regressive tax because it really is.
00:39:50.200 You know, it does affect poor people the most.
00:39:52.880 So if we had we have a chance right now with negotiations with Trump and the Americans and to get rid of supply management again.
00:40:02.940 And I think we should take the opportunity to do this.
00:40:06.420 It'd be best for Canadian consumers.
00:40:08.660 But not only that, it'll be best for every other industry in Canada, because they all end up getting screwed over in these trade deals because of the protectionist of the dairy lobby.
00:40:20.040 Well, I want to sort of put this final question out there.
00:40:23.560 So we had all of the conservative candidates agree on supply management.
00:40:27.580 I mean, there's so many other issues that they all just kind of agreed when it came to the political left, whether it be on health care or social issues like abortion.
00:40:34.920 It's like they've all just kind of come to the liberal position to try to, like, neutralize the issue so that it doesn't become a big deal in the election.
00:40:40.580 But then we've seen the opposite happen with the liberals, where all of the conservative economic policies to do with getting rid of these damaging taxes like the carbon tax or the capital gains tax.
00:40:51.000 And you've had Mark Carney come around.
00:40:53.400 And so we have this situation where we're running in and it looks like we're heading into an eminent election.
00:40:58.960 It could be called any day now.
00:41:00.720 And it's hard to even know, like from a policy perspective, what the major difference is.
00:41:06.400 It almost just seems like it will come down to personality.
00:41:08.640 Like, who do you like better, Pierre Polyev or Mark Carney?
00:41:12.380 Because when it comes to policies, I'm not really seeing a ton of daylight between the two.
00:41:17.260 What do you think, Kevin?
00:41:19.060 Yeah, like, you know, Brett and I, we've been talking back and forth for a very long time.
00:41:23.520 There is really no difference between, you know, Pierre Polyev and, you know, Justin Trudeau and I guess now with Mark Carney, specifically on the social issues.
00:41:32.860 And you can say, oh, yada, yada, this or yada, yada, that.
00:41:35.980 But, you know, it's in the name, progressive, conservative.
00:41:40.300 The progressive means that they're left leading, right?
00:41:43.300 So the federal party doesn't have that name anymore.
00:41:47.160 But there's still there's still a left left of center party, specifically because of what we've talked about.
00:41:52.960 They support the supply management, you know, what would happen if, you know, Pierre Polyev came out and said we want to dismantle socialized health care in Canada?
00:42:02.700 You know, the media would have a dump on him, right?
00:42:05.180 So, you know, all of these social policies, you know, are left wing policies that either the conservatives support by choice or they're forced to support it through, you know, through the media and whatnot.
00:42:19.200 So the longer that, you know, the conservative party, the CPC, you know, plays to this game of the media, the more they're going to be pushed to the left.
00:42:29.980 And the more that there's going to be a lot of people in this country that feel politically homeless, because I can guarantee you there's a lot of people coming up in this election that were Pierre Polyev supporters.
00:42:41.200 You know, maybe on the right, right end of the Pierre Polyev supporter, not quite a PC, a PPC supporter.
00:42:48.220 But, you know, when they when he saw him veer to the left over this last, you know, four, four weeks, six weeks, they don't know who to vote for.
00:42:55.640 They felt like they're they're politically abandoned.
00:42:58.000 And so, you know, this is ultimately just shooting himself in the foot.
00:43:02.440 And again, it's like, OK, we want to choose.
00:43:05.940 You know, the doctor told us that, you know, we did.
00:43:08.800 Oops, I think we're having some audio issues with you there, Kevin.
00:43:13.520 Interesting that you said that about health care, though, because Juno News just published a story yesterday that found that nearly half of Canadians are open to private health care, according to a study.
00:43:23.200 So this is a study done by Second Street, which highlighted that 48 percent of Canadians are interested in learning more about private health insurance, whereas 32 percent are ready to pay for health care.
00:43:37.140 So I think that that the health care issue is something that there is potentially room for the conservatives to come out with something different and say, hey, I know how to offer better health care.
00:43:47.940 It's by offering a choice.
00:43:49.760 And that doesn't necessarily mean to eliminate or get rid of the government program.
00:43:54.240 It can still exist.
00:43:55.000 But for other Canadians who would rather just pay out of pocket or pay for insurance out of pocket to get better care, they would have they would have that option.
00:44:02.200 And I think that, yeah, that you're highlighting a really important opportunity that I don't know that the conservatives will take.
00:44:08.920 Maybe it's too close to the election for them to come up with a policy on something like this.
00:44:12.440 But it is a possibility.
00:44:14.260 What do you think, Brett?
00:44:15.620 Yeah, I think that it would be it would be good if we did look at more private health care.
00:44:23.320 In almost every other country in the world, they do have private health care options a lot more than Canada.
00:44:30.460 I think we're the only we're the most socialist country when it comes to that.
00:44:33.320 But even look at the Scandinavian countries, they have private options, Australia and around the around Europe.
00:44:43.000 So and those are all they all have ranked their their health care is all ranked better than Canada's.
00:44:49.220 I think a lot of Canadians are scared that if you talk about privatizing health care, they look at the United States and say, well, look at the astronomical bills coming out of the States.
00:44:59.220 And, you know, that's kind of you can't it's hard to have a discussion with somebody about this without bringing up the United States.
00:45:06.660 But almost every other country in the world does have private and public options.
00:45:11.220 And that's when when health care works best.
00:45:14.120 So I don't think Pierre Polyev should be scared to address that.
00:45:17.640 You see that in well, like you said, the polls there.
00:45:21.980 And maybe the media will attack him.
00:45:25.300 But you know what, I think it's time for him to take a different approach, forget about the legacy media, start working with, you know, in more independent media like yourself and going on big podcasts like he did with he did with Jordan Peterson.
00:45:40.180 There's lots of other other podcasts like that, like Joe Rogan, for instance, had a major influence in the United States.
00:45:47.620 Donald Trump went on and he talked directly to the people in a long, long form interview and Kamala Harris didn't.
00:45:57.320 And that definitely hurt her, you know.
00:45:59.300 So, yeah, I don't think you have to be scared about scared of the media anymore.
00:46:03.880 And I think that that's one thing that that Pierre should be taking into the next election.
00:46:08.380 Yeah, I agree.
00:46:09.260 That's one thing that he's done so well during his career is pushing back against media lies and kind of calling them out in real time.
00:46:15.860 And I think that the other side of the equation is, well, if you're not going to talk to the legacy media so that people get to know you, you have to do it elsewhere.
00:46:22.300 He's pretty good about reaching Canadians directly through his own social media.
00:46:26.180 But I agree.
00:46:27.340 I think that Donald Trump going out on to podcast during the election in the States really helped.
00:46:33.160 And it helped J.D. Vance as well, because J.D. Vance was sort of new to the national scene and no one really knew him.
00:46:38.100 And the Democrats were trying to paint him as weird.
00:46:41.060 That was like that was the narrative in the media that he was a weird guy.
00:46:44.640 And then all of a sudden he started popping up on these podcasts and you got to know him and you were like, hey, he's not weird at all.
00:46:50.980 He's actually super normal and seemed like a nice guy.
00:46:53.100 And, you know, seeing him on Theo Vaughn or Tim Dillon's podcast really did, I think, change people's opinion and made him much more popular.
00:47:01.600 And I could see I could see the same thing happening with Pierre Polyev.
00:47:04.880 All right, guys, thanks so much for joining us.
00:47:06.520 We're going to wrap it up.
00:47:07.380 Appreciate your time.
00:47:08.320 That is Kevin from Government is Corrupt, X Account and Brett Sears.
00:47:12.320 You can find him on X as well.
00:47:13.900 Thanks, guys.
00:47:15.360 Thank you.
00:47:17.300 All right.
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