Join us as we discuss when the next Canadian election will be called, and why it should come sooner rather than later. We are joined by Brett and Kevin of Government Is Corrupt to discuss the latest in the trade war between Canada and the United States.
00:02:49.500This is not how a democracy should work.
00:02:52.740Mark Carney was not democratically elected.
00:02:55.680And what a sad state of affairs that only 150,000 people voted in the Liberal Party leadership race.
00:03:02.460Again, more people visit my website, our website, Juno News, every single day than people who bothered to vote for Canada's new prime minister.
00:06:31.260Like, Pierre Polyev has set this up as a carbon tax election.
00:06:35.920We have Carney saying he's going to cancel the consumer carbon tax anyway.
00:06:41.380It's kind of, that issue has kind of taken a backseat to everything that's been going on with Donald Trump and the tariffs.
00:06:47.560And I think that that's going to be the main, the ballot box question here coming up to the next election.
00:06:54.880What we're kind of seeing is, it seems to be the parties, the liberals and conservatives, NDP, Green, who's going to be the toughest on Trump?
00:07:03.420I don't know that that's necessarily a wise strategy.
00:07:06.040Perhaps it is for the liberals slash NDP.
00:07:11.760But I would personally like to see if the conservative wants to gain some ground.
00:07:17.140I think that they should try more of a friendly approach with the Trump administration.
00:07:24.520I mean, I think that if you have Trump derangement syndrome and you're anti-American and you don't like what's happening in the South, you have lots of parties to vote for, right?
00:08:56.480So everything that he's been saying over the last month has clearly not done him any favors when it comes to, you know, the polling does show that, you know, a similar trajectory.
00:09:08.100But, you know, it does not do any favors when it comes to his likelihood of, you know, forming the next government.
00:09:13.860And we're it's pretty clear that he's lost his majority lead.
00:09:18.220You know, even if he does win the next election, he's not going to win a majority.
00:09:22.740It's going to be a minority government at best.
00:09:25.640And then what happens then you're going to have what the liberals, you know, team up with the NDP or or whatnot and try to create some sort of coalition to, you know, topple the government in 12 to 18 months.
00:10:12.680I hope that that it hasn't swung that badly, because to me, if Canadians are that sort of forgiving, maybe naive to give the liberals basically a fourth term,
00:10:21.800given that Mark Carney was Justin Trudeau's advisor and that they seem to see eye to eye even yesterday, he said it will be a very seamless transition.
00:10:29.480Of course it will, because Carney has been the one advising Trudeau.
00:10:32.860And presumably they have the same people working on their campaign, the same team.
00:10:35.740That's what Warren Kinsella, an unliberal insider, wrote on X a few months ago.
00:10:40.200I want to pull this element into it as well, though, because article in iPolitics saying that Mark Carney has not yet reached out to the NDP about prolonging the current government.
00:10:51.640This was the fear that a lot of us had, that once Mark Carney became prime minister, rather than going to the public for an election, he would try to make another backroom deal with Jagmeet Singh.
00:11:02.500We know that Jagmeet Singh is always willing to make a deal with the liberals because when he does, it gives him more power and allows him to stay in office longer.
00:11:10.500I think that one of the biggest losers out of the last session of parliament, I mean, obviously it was Justin Trudeau.
00:11:15.320He did so poorly that he had to resign afterwards.
00:11:18.060But I think now the Canadian mind is focused on Jagmeet Singh for being the person, the accomplice, the person that propped up that government for so long.
00:11:25.720And so if there's one good thing that Mark Carney is doing so far, it seems it might be icing out Jagmeet Singh and saying, I don't need you anymore.
00:11:32.220I don't want to do a coalition with you.
00:12:30.180I don't think it would be wise for the liberals to keep tagging him along if they're able to do it on their own.
00:12:37.660And I think that they're probably looking at their internal polling and saying that they can form a government without him.
00:12:44.920There has been some talk that even if Pierre Polyev wins the most number of seats, that the other parties will try to form a coalition.
00:12:52.880And I believe that's what Elizabeth May was talking about yesterday, where she was talking about how, you know, even if Pierre Polyev comes out with most seats, it doesn't necessarily mean he can form government in our system.
00:13:02.340That there could be a coalition between Greens, NDP, and Liberal to make more seats.
00:13:06.800And that would sort of look more like a European coalition that they tend to do, where, you know, whoever wins the most seats isn't necessarily the leader.
00:13:15.100To me, that's kind of a terrifying idea.
00:13:16.640I don't think it's ever happened in Canadian history.
00:13:18.300I think that the party that gets the most seats should always be the one that gets to form government.
00:13:33.440Just want to, you know, address one of your last questions that you posed to Brett about, you know, Jagmeet Singh propping up the Liberal government.
00:13:41.320And, you know, he's been doing that overtly, right?
00:13:45.440He's been, you know, in your face saying we're propping up this government.
00:13:48.920But what if he takes more of, you know, a subversive approach to it and props up the Liberal government by tanking his own party and pushing all of his supporters to vote Liberal?
00:14:00.480That way, he drives the Liberal numbers up knowing he's already qualified for his pension.
00:14:07.160His political career in Canada is virtually over.
00:14:10.520He's probably the most hated politician, if not the, you know, in the top three or four most hated politicians in Canadian history, specifically because of what he's done for the last four or five years.
00:14:22.660So why not, you know, prop out the Liberal government by tanking his own party and then, you know, the NDP will say, you know, it's time for a leadership race and then vote him out and then he can sail off into the sunset.
00:14:36.800I think that is the actual course that Jagmeet Singh is taking here.
00:14:45.720He's attempting to destroy his own party.
00:14:51.120And if you take a look at, you know, some of the things that he's been saying, you know, he's just becoming ever more increasingly insane.
00:14:57.820And even yesterday, he did a video about, you know, wanting to deny Donald Trump access to Canada because, you know, he's a felon and then he's asking the party leaders to step in and do the same.
00:15:09.260You know, people are just looking at this guy like this guy is, you know, an old terrorist.
00:15:15.260Who is he even to say that we should be denying somebody else access to our country when all of this ties to, you know, Calistani extremism?
00:15:30.420Well, you know, it's like he doesn't even have to just subvert his own party.
00:15:34.180He just like naturally is so unliked right now that I think as long as he is the leader of the party, his party will collapse, whether he likes it or not.
00:15:42.760OK, I want to move on here and talk a little bit about the latest in the tariff war, if you want to call it that, or back and forth.
00:15:49.320So yesterday, as we told you on the show, Ontario Premier Doug Ford was coming out tough, coming out strong, saying that he had imposed a 25 percent tariff on electricity, that Ontario supplies electricity to a few of the northern American states.
00:16:05.180And he was urging Alberta Premier Daniel Smith to do something similar with Alberta energy, with Alberta oil.
00:16:13.260Premier Daniel Smith thankfully shut that idea down immediately.
00:16:17.220Well, Ford's tariffs have been noticed.
00:16:19.900And so we had at a White House briefing, at a press briefing, White House Press Secretary Carolyn Leavitt warned that there would be grave consequences on Canada if they considered shutting off electricity to Americans and American citizens.
00:16:38.060Conversations between the administration and the Canadians going on over this tariff, because the Ontario Premier says the next step is to cut off electricity to the U.S.
00:16:46.620And the president put out a statement after seeing those comments and said that it would be there would be grave consequences imposed on Canada if they think about shutting off electricity for the United States of America and our citizens.
00:17:01.440And so on top of that, we had Donald Trump jumping on to True Social.
00:17:15.580Can you imagine Canada stooping so low as to use electricity that so affects the life of innocent people as a bargaining chip and threat?
00:17:24.460They will pay a financial price for this so big that it will be read about in the history books for many years to come.
00:17:32.460And so, you know, on the one hand, Donald, sorry, Premier Ford has this card saying, you know, these people do rely on energy from Ontario and we have this ability.
00:17:41.100So if you're going to throw a tariff on us that will harm our auto industry and potentially threaten the jobs of up to half a million Canadians in Ontario in the auto industry, then we're going to do this back.
00:17:52.460But then you can also see Trump's point, which is like, it's kind of cruel to stoop so low as to cut people's electricity off in a cold winter.
00:18:02.400So that didn't last for very long, right?
00:18:04.060So Ford said that he had introduced those tariffs and then we had both President Trump and Press Secretary Leavitt coming out really strong.
00:18:12.720Well, let's cut to yesterday afternoon when Doug Ford was speaking to the press, looking a little bit demoralized here and talking about his agreement, basically, to get rid of these tariffs.
00:18:26.480Well, just a little while ago, I had an opportunity to speak to Secretary Lutnik and Secretary Lutnik has sent out an olive branch to us to come down and immediately meet with him, meet with the whole trade administration and discuss the future.
00:18:48.200So there he was, basically, completely folding.
00:18:53.920So I want to read what Mark Nixon had to say about it on X.
00:18:57.360He wrote, Doug Ford tried to flex on the U.S. with 25% tariff.
00:19:03.660So one phone call later, Ford folded like a cheap tent.
00:19:06.700Now he's off to Washington with dominant LeBlanc, like two kids set to the principal's office.
00:19:11.440Will he act tough in the United States?
00:19:14.300And then we had U.S. Commerce Secretary Howard Lutnik and Doug Ford releasing a joint statement together, saying that Secretary Lutnik agreed to officially meet with Premier Ford in Washington on Thursday, March 13th, alongside the United States trade representatives to discuss renewed USMCA ahead of April 2nd reciprocal tariff deadline.
00:19:34.980In response, Ontario agreed to suspend its 25% surcharge on exports of electricity to Michigan, New York and Minnesota.
00:19:42.360So it looks like, Brett, that, I mean, after all that tough talk, I don't know if Ford considers this a win.
00:19:52.020To me, it looks like he tried and then he effed around and found out, basically.
00:22:10.340So, I mean, yeah, if that was his goal, to go and get those meetings, you could consider it a win in that sense.
00:22:15.600We have premiers acting like the prime minister of Canada right now, which is kind of crazy to think about.
00:22:23.260I mean, Danielle Smith was able to meet with him at Mar-a-Lago without taking this approach of threatening to cut off oil to the United States.
00:22:34.140So there's definitely other routes you could have went about it.
00:22:36.780But I am pleased to see the way that Trump reacted to that in kind of a friendly way.
00:22:42.740It seems to me that if and when Pierre Pagliau becomes prime minister, he may be able to walk back some of his comments about talking tough and not taking off the tariffs that the Trudeau government, at that time, government did.
00:22:59.900So hopefully this gives Pagliau have a chance to walk back some of his earlier statements.
00:23:10.020I think that if anything, we should use this as an opportunity to liberalize our markets.
00:23:16.100And I don't know if I let's let's stick with with Doug Ford for a minute.
00:23:19.000Because one of the things that I noticed earlier this week is that Doug Ford is out there complimenting the Liberals.
00:23:25.520So during a press conference on Monday, he was praising Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, saying that he was always willing to put ideology aside for the good of the country.
00:23:36.480I never saw that for the prime minister.
00:23:38.880But this is what Doug Ford had to say.
00:23:41.380I also want to thank Prime Minister Justin Trudeau for his many years of service to Canada.
00:24:56.060Well, if you take a look at it, you know, his track record of supporting the Liberals, he started back in 2020, you know, when he came out and what he did during the COVID with, you know, shutting down businesses right in line with the Liberal government, supported Justin Trudeau's Emergency Measures Act, was in Ottawa preaching about, you know, it's time to end this and, you know, send the people home and get Ottawa back to business.
00:25:24.160So, you know, he's he's fallen in line with the Liberal government for a very long time.
00:25:29.580And, you know, it's been my view that, you know, that one of the most dangerous types of politicians in Canada is is is a red conservative people that run under the conservative banner, but are actually, you know, liberal in nature.
00:25:43.240And I believe even his brother, before he died, call him call him a pinko.
00:25:47.440Right. So, you know, basically a communist.
00:25:49.660So, you know, this is who Doug Ford is.
00:26:08.320So the only benefit that Doug Ford is doing is to the Liberal Party itself.
00:26:16.780So, you know, one has to understand or maybe we have to become more clear as to, you know, where Doug Ford's finances are coming from.
00:26:25.820It would be nice if we could, you know, forensically audit our politicians to find out, you know, who they swear allegiance to, because it's obviously not the people anymore.
00:26:33.760And it's not just Doug Ford. This is, you know, this is this is everybody.
00:26:37.440But it's clear that, you know, and Doug Ford has said, you know, multiple times and more than once that he, you know, he enjoys talking to Christian Freeland.
00:26:47.040You know, so, you know, I believe that, you know, Doug Ford is is just a liberal plant.
00:26:51.720And it's it's a shame that, you know, so many people fell for his his and voted for him.
00:26:58.360But, you know, you can see their their argument, you know, who everybody else is worse.
00:27:03.320I mean, sure. But at the end of the day, they all fell in line with the same same ideology.
00:27:09.040Right. So, yeah, Doug Ford, not not very good for the people of Ontario.
00:27:14.500And I think that, you know, he understands or and, you know, Mark Cardi understands that, you know, how Ontario votes is, you know, whoever wins Ontario in the federal polls, you know, is basically, you know, sure to to to win the federal election.
00:27:30.300So, you know, why not, you know, get Doug Ford to help you campaign for the Liberal Party and then flip Ontario to red from blue?
00:27:38.680And I think that's exactly what's happening.
00:27:40.420So unfortunate. Brett, did you want to comment on that?
00:27:44.500Yeah, I don't know. He. Doug Ford is a liberal.
00:27:51.940So that's kind of just what he ran on during the election.
00:27:56.220That's how he's always been acting. He's always been friendly with the with Trudeau, the federal government.
00:28:03.440He's not doing the federal conservatives any favors.
00:28:06.480Maybe he should be focusing a little bit more on trying to help them get reelected and not not start this cozying up to, you know, the Liberal Party.
00:28:18.040Well, I want to shift gears a little bit and still talk about this tariff and so-called trade war, but talk more about Canada's role in it.
00:28:26.440So President Trump recently said that Canada is charging between 200 and 250 percent tariffs on agriculture and dairy products.
00:28:34.320The Canadian agricultural community has sort of hit back against that.
00:28:37.760The legacy media has hit back against that.
00:28:39.740But the more that you look at Canada's system, the more you realize that we do have tariffs.
00:28:45.140So as much as we say that Trump is imposing tariffs and Canada is reacting with retaliatory tariffs, the truth of the matter is that Canada has tariffs and that Trump's tariffs are actually retaliating against ours.
00:28:57.880So we looked into it a little bit. You know, Canada has a supply management system.
00:29:03.100You might have heard about that before. And so this idea of a 250 percent tariff.
00:29:07.940Well, the reality is that that tariff doesn't even often kick in because it doesn't kick in because the market is mostly blocked from outside dairy and specifically things like milk and cheese from coming in.
00:29:21.160So it says, according to our USMCA agreement, says that this tariff would only apply if we were able to reach and exceed the quota on US dairy exports agreed under the USMCA agreement.
00:29:33.040Frustratingly, the US has never gotten close to exceeding this quota because Canada has erected various protectionist measures that fly in the face of their trade obligations.
00:29:43.040Canada has protected its dairy products under supply management, which are policies that are designed to protect Canadian farmers, block foreign competition, block foreign eggs, poultry and dairy from accessing our domestic markets.
00:29:58.640So really, I mean, it is the tariffs that are there, but it's also supply management and the system.
00:30:05.860And, you know, this used to be something that conservatives opposed, right?
00:30:10.260Like when Prime Minister Stephen Harper was in power, I remember there was like a large debate within the Conservative Party as to whether or not, you know, Harper proudly abolished the wheat board and said, we don't need central planners anymore.
00:30:23.240We're not living through Great Depression era times to get rid of the wheat board.
00:30:26.340But then when it came to supply management of dairy, he refused and more and more conservatives within the party were voicing their opposition to this policy.
00:30:36.540And in 2017, when the conservatives were running a leadership candidate to replace Stephen Harper, Max St. Bernier, who was the frontrunner at a time, was running on a policy of abolishing supply management.
00:30:49.700He just barely lost that election to Andrew Scheer, who became the leader.
00:30:55.160And Andrew Scheer was very proudly pro-supply management, which contradicted his sort of free market ideas about how Canada's market should be run like the Conservatives or the Free Market Party.
00:31:05.080Pierre Polyev is also a proud advocate of the free market.
00:31:09.160I think that's one of the strongest things that he does.
00:31:11.500He's very articulate, very passionate about explaining why we need more free market reforms.
00:31:16.960Even when I sat down with him a few weeks ago, you know, he was talking about Milton Friedman.
00:31:21.580He was talking about Austrian economics and the need to have like freer markets and a tighter control on our money supply.
00:31:28.480And yet when it comes to supply management, they don't really talk about it anymore.
00:31:32.220And we just pretend it's not there or we pretend that it's a good thing.
00:31:42.360I mean, from my perspective, it's way past time.
00:31:44.760We should have gotten rid of this when we got rid of the wheat board.
00:31:47.360And yet it seems like sort of it's become like a sacred cow in Canadian politics where none of the parties are willing to, not even willing to criticize it.
00:31:55.680They're not even willing to acknowledge it or talk about it.
00:31:58.240They just deny it and say like Trump is wrong.
00:32:00.660Well, there is some truth here, which is that Canada doesn't operate in a free market.
00:32:05.220So this is one thing that I think is really important that we should get rid of.
00:32:15.780So, you know, I live in the dairy capital of Canada, right?
00:32:18.240I'm in the eastern townships of Quebec.
00:32:20.180You know, there's, you know, this is where the dairy comes from.
00:32:24.960And, you know, people have to understand supply management came into effect under Pierre Elliott Trudeau, who was, you know, people say he was a liberal, but he was actually NDP, right?
00:32:33.420He originally came from the NDP party, knew he wouldn't become prime minister under NDP, switched to the liberal.
00:32:41.480You know, the supply management system is basically a USSR style system.
00:32:46.680It's a socialist style system that's designed to, you know, eliminate competition and have the government in control of the market.
00:32:53.840And when, you know, Pierre Elliott Trudeau brought in this system, fast forward to today, you know, 80% of the small and medium-sized family farms have been eliminated just because the price of the quota has gone up and up and up and up.
00:33:11.620And, you know, your small businesses can't afford it.
00:33:14.320So now they're forced to, you know, lease their land or, you know, sell their land altogether to the large conglomerates because they just can't afford the quota.
00:33:26.280So it's absolutely destroyed, you know, the small and medium-sized farming industry, you know, specifically in Quebec.
00:33:33.660And if you take a look at how it works, right, you know, they say in America, oh, you know, you know, farmers get subsidies from the government, you know, to offset the prices, which is true.
00:33:47.020But if you take a look at how it's applied here, it's a regressive tax, right, because it's a tax on everything.
00:33:54.820So it doesn't matter if you're making a million dollars a year or if you're, you know, on minimum wage and you're part of the working poor, you're still paying the same amount of tax.
00:34:03.700So it actually penalizes the poor far more than it penalizes, you know, the middle class or, you know, the wealthier people.
00:34:13.180And there was a study back in 2017 or 2018 that it actually increases the average family's, you know, annual grocery bill by about $800 to $1,200 a year.
00:34:25.820You know, we know that, you know, the price of goods has, you know, probably, if not more, doubled since then.
00:34:31.820So we're talking about probably close to, you know, $1,500 or $2,000 a year if the consumption hasn't changed from the average family.
00:34:39.600So that is how much we are paying, how much tax, hidden tax, because it's not like it shows on a receipt or anything, right?
00:34:46.540It's a hidden tax that people are paying to support this, you know, supply management system that provides no benefit to the country whatsoever, but allows, you know, the dairy cartel, I guess you could call it, to exert its political might on, you know, on parties to influence elections.
00:35:07.500And you talked about Maxime Bernier versus Andrew Scheer.
00:35:10.580And who's to say that the, you know, the people from, you know, the Quebec Dairy Mafia didn't buy up conservative memberships and vote for Andrew Scheer because he supported supply management, which just gave him an edge and beat out Maxime Bernier in that election.
00:35:26.380Well, it's interesting that you mentioned that because it was such a contradiction at the time.
00:35:30.840Like, it was so cringe that someone who was supposed to be from the base of the party, I'm talking about Andrew Scheer here, from the base of the party, like a true free market conservative, and yet he had this position on supply debt management.
00:35:42.460Everyone knew it was so that he could get the dairy lobby.
00:35:45.920So he kind of leaned into it, and I think this was supposed to be sort of self-deprecating.
00:35:49.440So he would take the jug of milk, you know, chug the milk at the convention, chug the milk when he was at a bar, like he was the guy drinking milk because he was supporting Canadian milk.
00:36:00.600And, like, I get, I appreciate that it was sort of supposed to be a joke or a meme that he was making fun of himself, kind of.
00:36:07.840But to me, the underlying principle, which is that, like, we believe in the free market.
00:36:12.020We want to liberalize Canada's markets.
00:36:13.900Oh, except for this one lobby that we're in the pocket of.
00:36:16.580And so we're just going to embrace that and drink the milk.
00:36:19.640I want to bring a few statistics into this.
00:36:21.620So this is from Phil Kirpin, who runs an American company called Americans for Prosperity.
00:36:29.220And he wrote on X that Canada adopted its Soviet-style supply management programs in the 1970s during the presidencies of Ford, Nixon, and Carter.
00:36:38.580And here he links to a paper that kind of just, like, describes the origin of the Canadian Milk Supply Management Committee, which was founded in 1966.
00:36:49.740And it is responsible for the supply management.
00:36:52.620And then you can see he has this graph.
00:36:55.320We have this graph here, figure one custom tariffs on selected over-quotas products in 2018.
00:37:01.740And so it shows that butter is at 300 percent, cheese is at 250 percent, yogurt is at just under 250 percent, chicken 250 percent, eggs a little over 150 percent, and turkey the same thing.
00:37:17.000So, yes, Canada does impose these tariffs.
00:37:20.740And likewise, we have another one from the food professor.
00:37:26.100This is a great account to follow on X.
00:37:29.520This is run by Dr. Sylvan Schalbro, who is a professor at Dalhousie University.
00:37:36.260And he shows the difference between supply management versus no supply management.
00:37:41.340So he says, since 1970, Canada has lost 94 percent of its dairy farmers under supply management, the same percentage decline as the U.S., where no supply management exists.
00:37:51.260And therefore, industrial milk is three times cheaper.
00:37:56.360It only resulted in higher costs for Canadians.
00:37:58.720So you can see up top, Americans started out with so many more dairy farms in Canada, comparably less, but we ended up in the same place.
00:38:06.480So despite having this huge bureaucracy or this huge, like, program that prevents free exchange of goods, Canadians, like you said, Kevin, end up spending much, much more money at the grocery store.
00:38:21.660And yet we kind of ended up in the same place.
00:38:24.080What do you what do you make of all this, Brett?
00:38:25.340Yeah, it's sad because I think that the last time we negotiated NAFTA, which became USMCA, that would have been a perfect time saying that was a perfect time to get rid of supply management.
00:38:38.880It's always a sticking point in our trade deals.
00:38:42.180We said not only with the United States, I think it was Pompeo that time was coming up and telling us all this stuff about how how bad supply management was to work with in negotiating international trade deals.
00:38:54.320It was also a sticking point in the European Union trade deals.
00:38:58.780If you remember that, that's the one where Chrystia Freeland basically came up prime because she couldn't get a deal right off the bat.
00:39:03.800And that was also because of supply management.
00:39:06.780And, you know, it's it's it during the during the leadership debate, the most recent leadership debate where Prya Paliyev won, they were asked if what they thought about the supply management.
00:39:21.240And every one of the conservative leaders that are not just Paulyyev, but every one of them answered that they would keep it.
00:39:25.800And I don't understand why, because sure, you might get some votes in a leadership race.
00:39:30.800That's how Andrew Scheer, like you said, beat Maxine Bernier.
00:40:08.660But not only that, it'll be best for every other industry in Canada, because they all end up getting screwed over in these trade deals because of the protectionist of the dairy lobby.
00:40:20.040Well, I want to sort of put this final question out there.
00:40:23.560So we had all of the conservative candidates agree on supply management.
00:40:27.580I mean, there's so many other issues that they all just kind of agreed when it came to the political left, whether it be on health care or social issues like abortion.
00:40:34.920It's like they've all just kind of come to the liberal position to try to, like, neutralize the issue so that it doesn't become a big deal in the election.
00:40:40.580But then we've seen the opposite happen with the liberals, where all of the conservative economic policies to do with getting rid of these damaging taxes like the carbon tax or the capital gains tax.
00:40:51.000And you've had Mark Carney come around.
00:40:53.400And so we have this situation where we're running in and it looks like we're heading into an eminent election.
00:41:19.060Yeah, like, you know, Brett and I, we've been talking back and forth for a very long time.
00:41:23.520There is really no difference between, you know, Pierre Polyev and, you know, Justin Trudeau and I guess now with Mark Carney, specifically on the social issues.
00:41:32.860And you can say, oh, yada, yada, this or yada, yada, that.
00:41:35.980But, you know, it's in the name, progressive, conservative.
00:41:40.300The progressive means that they're left leading, right?
00:41:43.300So the federal party doesn't have that name anymore.
00:41:47.160But there's still there's still a left left of center party, specifically because of what we've talked about.
00:41:52.960They support the supply management, you know, what would happen if, you know, Pierre Polyev came out and said we want to dismantle socialized health care in Canada?
00:42:02.700You know, the media would have a dump on him, right?
00:42:05.180So, you know, all of these social policies, you know, are left wing policies that either the conservatives support by choice or they're forced to support it through, you know, through the media and whatnot.
00:42:19.200So the longer that, you know, the conservative party, the CPC, you know, plays to this game of the media, the more they're going to be pushed to the left.
00:42:29.980And the more that there's going to be a lot of people in this country that feel politically homeless, because I can guarantee you there's a lot of people coming up in this election that were Pierre Polyev supporters.
00:42:41.200You know, maybe on the right, right end of the Pierre Polyev supporter, not quite a PC, a PPC supporter.
00:42:48.220But, you know, when they when he saw him veer to the left over this last, you know, four, four weeks, six weeks, they don't know who to vote for.
00:42:55.640They felt like they're they're politically abandoned.
00:42:58.000And so, you know, this is ultimately just shooting himself in the foot.
00:43:02.440And again, it's like, OK, we want to choose.
00:43:05.940You know, the doctor told us that, you know, we did.
00:43:08.800Oops, I think we're having some audio issues with you there, Kevin.
00:43:13.520Interesting that you said that about health care, though, because Juno News just published a story yesterday that found that nearly half of Canadians are open to private health care, according to a study.
00:43:23.200So this is a study done by Second Street, which highlighted that 48 percent of Canadians are interested in learning more about private health insurance, whereas 32 percent are ready to pay for health care.
00:43:37.140So I think that that the health care issue is something that there is potentially room for the conservatives to come out with something different and say, hey, I know how to offer better health care.
00:43:55.000But for other Canadians who would rather just pay out of pocket or pay for insurance out of pocket to get better care, they would have they would have that option.
00:44:02.200And I think that, yeah, that you're highlighting a really important opportunity that I don't know that the conservatives will take.
00:44:08.920Maybe it's too close to the election for them to come up with a policy on something like this.
00:44:15.620Yeah, I think that it would be it would be good if we did look at more private health care.
00:44:23.320In almost every other country in the world, they do have private health care options a lot more than Canada.
00:44:30.460I think we're the only we're the most socialist country when it comes to that.
00:44:33.320But even look at the Scandinavian countries, they have private options, Australia and around the around Europe.
00:44:43.000So and those are all they all have ranked their their health care is all ranked better than Canada's.
00:44:49.220I think a lot of Canadians are scared that if you talk about privatizing health care, they look at the United States and say, well, look at the astronomical bills coming out of the States.
00:44:59.220And, you know, that's kind of you can't it's hard to have a discussion with somebody about this without bringing up the United States.
00:45:06.660But almost every other country in the world does have private and public options.
00:45:11.220And that's when when health care works best.
00:45:14.120So I don't think Pierre Polyev should be scared to address that.
00:45:17.640You see that in well, like you said, the polls there.
00:45:25.300But you know what, I think it's time for him to take a different approach, forget about the legacy media, start working with, you know, in more independent media like yourself and going on big podcasts like he did with he did with Jordan Peterson.
00:45:40.180There's lots of other other podcasts like that, like Joe Rogan, for instance, had a major influence in the United States.
00:45:47.620Donald Trump went on and he talked directly to the people in a long, long form interview and Kamala Harris didn't.
00:45:57.320And that definitely hurt her, you know.
00:45:59.300So, yeah, I don't think you have to be scared about scared of the media anymore.
00:46:03.880And I think that that's one thing that that Pierre should be taking into the next election.
00:46:09.260That's one thing that he's done so well during his career is pushing back against media lies and kind of calling them out in real time.
00:46:15.860And I think that the other side of the equation is, well, if you're not going to talk to the legacy media so that people get to know you, you have to do it elsewhere.
00:46:22.300He's pretty good about reaching Canadians directly through his own social media.
00:46:27.340I think that Donald Trump going out on to podcast during the election in the States really helped.
00:46:33.160And it helped J.D. Vance as well, because J.D. Vance was sort of new to the national scene and no one really knew him.
00:46:38.100And the Democrats were trying to paint him as weird.
00:46:41.060That was like that was the narrative in the media that he was a weird guy.
00:46:44.640And then all of a sudden he started popping up on these podcasts and you got to know him and you were like, hey, he's not weird at all.
00:46:50.980He's actually super normal and seemed like a nice guy.
00:46:53.100And, you know, seeing him on Theo Vaughn or Tim Dillon's podcast really did, I think, change people's opinion and made him much more popular.
00:47:01.600And I could see I could see the same thing happening with Pierre Polyev.
00:47:04.880All right, guys, thanks so much for joining us.