Election INTERFERENCE from Canada’s Deep State
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In this episode of The Candice Malcolm Show, host Candice Malan is joined by Josh Udall, co-host of the Elevate podcast, to discuss a breaking news story from the Globe and Mail alleging that Indian agents were involved in helping Pierre Polyvorev win the Conservative leadership election in 2022.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for
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you today. Thank you so much for tuning in. Don't forget to like this video, share it,
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leave it a comment and subscribe. So I am joined today for the entire episode by a podcaster,
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one of my favorite podcasters in Canada. His name is Josh Udall. So Josh is an entrepreneur
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based in Halifax and he co-hosts the Elevate podcast discussing business, marketing and
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politics. Josh, thank you so much for joining the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm
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grateful to be here. Well, I love your podcast and it's great. Great to get to know you. I've never
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had you on the show before. So I'm looking forward to our conversation. Likewise. So I'm very excited
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to see what the magic can make happen today. Okay. So this is the big story. This is the sort of
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the thing that was all over social media this morning, breaking news from the Globe and Mail
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front page story that CSIS alleges that India organized support for Pierre Polyev's 2022
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conservative leadership bid. And I have a lot of issues with this news article. I have a lot of
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issues right down to the headline. So I am going to walk the audience through this story and then I'm
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going to get you to comment and react, Josh. Okay. So let's just start off with this headline
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that CSIS alleges that there was organized support. Let me just say, let me just clarify,
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CSIS does not allege this. The story is based on an unnamed official within CSIS that leaked this
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story to the Globe and Mail. They decided to leak it in the middle of an election campaign, right?
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And they are making this allegation. So this is not coming from the head of CSIS. This isn't a press
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conference or a report that has been put out by the government. This is, in my opinion, election
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interference. They held this story. This is a report from 2022. They held it until a campaign,
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until the election was underway. They want to derail the conservatives. They want to derail
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Pierre Polyev, make him look illegitimate, make him look like somehow there's something nefarious going
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on with his leadership of the party. It is all a deflection away from Mark Carney, away from what just
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happened, the total mess and ridiculousness of the liberal race, where they had 400 members,
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only 150 voted, 150,000 voted, where they disqualified two major candidates because they
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didn't want Mark Carney to be challenged in any meaningful way, right? And so all of that is
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happening. And then this story drops from the Globe and Mail. She's having the Globe and Mail for even
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printing this stuff and being involved in it. So just allow me to go through the story because
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it is really something. Okay. So here's how the story reads. Agents of India and their proxies
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allegedly meddled in the 2022 election of Pierre Polyev as conservative leader, as part of a larger
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effort to cozy up to politicians of all parties, according to a source with top secret clearance.
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The source said that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, CSIS, learned that Indian
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agents were involved in raising money and organizing within the South Asian community for Mr. Polyev during
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a leadership race, which he won handily. But the CSIS assessment did not indicate that this effort was
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done in a sweeping and highly organized way, said the source. Mr. Polyev won on the first ballot
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with 68%. Okay. So first of all, they admit right here that it didn't really have an impact.
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Pierre Polyev won with a sweeping majority. We all know that Pierre Polyev is very popular within the
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Conservative Party. And even though there were other, you know, high profile candidates, namely Jean Charest,
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Lesley, Leslie Lewis, Roman Babber, there were other people that were, you know, and Patrick Brown,
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who's the mayor of Mississauga, or sorry, of Brampton, you know, other high profile leaders, but Pierre is
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so popular within the party, he won handily. And here that they're saying that the CSIS assessment did
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not indicate that the effort was done in a sweeping way. So it sort of seems like random one-off things.
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Let me just continue reading. It says, CSIS also did not have evidence that Mr. Polyev or members of
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the inner circle were aware of the alleged actions of India's agents and their proxies,
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said the source, who has national security clearance to see top secret reports. The Globe and Mail is not
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identifying the source because they were not authorized to disclose classified information
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publicly. Okay. So you have a whistleblower, allegedly, giving top secret information to the Globe and Mail in
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the middle of an election. It says that this person has top secret clearance. So they're sharing
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secret information from the government, sharing it with the Globe and Mail, which I believe is a crime,
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or at least it should be, doing it in the campaign, and making it seem like Pierre Polyev did something
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wrong, even though in the article itself, it admits that he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't know
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about it. His team didn't know about it, and it didn't have an impact. So the big question out of
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this story is why is it a story? Why did the Globe and Mail put this on the cover of their newspaper? Why are
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they trying to push this as an election issue? Is there something wrong with Pierre Polyev's
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leadership? Is it illegitimate in any way? No, of course not. But this is what the media does.
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They whip up the narrative. They don't want to talk about Mark Carney. They don't want to talk about
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his record or the liberal record and what it's done to Canada. They don't want to ask tough questions
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of the prime minister. And instead, they go after the leader of the opposition for something that's
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completely irrelevant. And in my mind, it's nothing. Look, it is a problem that there are
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Indian agents that are acting in the South Asian community and doing this kind of thing. That is a
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problem. But it's the government's problem. It is Trudeau's government and now Mark Carney's
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government. It's their job to crack down on that, not Pierre Polyev, who even as a report
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admits, didn't even know about it. So Josh, what do you make of the story and what do you make
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of my interpretation of it? I think it's accurate from what you read there.
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And really what's going to happen here is what they're feasting their eyes on right now is the
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headline readers who are only really going to be doing that in this election. Right now, we have a
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very short election. And what's going to happen, I've said this on my show, is things are going to be
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pumped like crazy, like drinking information out of a fire hose. So people really aren't going to have
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time to look at the article as you just did here. They're going to headline read. And the
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narrative is going to be crafted that there goes Polyev again and his security clearance not
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getting it. Look how irresponsible he is. And that's how exactly how this is going to go. And
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that's the narrative that they're purposely trying to create through this. The only question I have
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is if it had such a big impact, I'm wondering, Candace, do you hear anything about the Indian police
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stations that have taken place in this country? Oh, no, no. Oh, sorry. That's China. My bad. That was
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China. Oh, my bad. Yes. The country that has benefited the liberal party consistently,
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including Parm Baines out in B.C. and who invited Mark Carney out that had Chinese paid for media in
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the audience. Yes. We don't want to talk about that, though. It's going to be about the security
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clearance for Pierre Polyev. No, that's exactly what this is. And they're trying to keep the
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attention off them and how they've benefited from actual election interference that has really
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inundated that party to this point. Well, it is so true. We had Sam Cooper,
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the investigative journalist, on the show two weeks ago, and he had photographic evidence of
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Justin Trudeau meeting with basically Chinese gangsters who were the kingpins in the drug and
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fentanyl wars. And he has photos of them, Justin Trudeau, attending high-priced, high-dollar
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fundraisers with them. So we know that this has happened. The Hogue report came out, and it didn't
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blow the whistle on what we thought it would. It didn't really deliver much. But now, again,
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bringing it up in the middle of an election campaign and trying to flip it to say, oh, no,
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it's not about the Chinese and the liberals. It's really about India and the conservatives.
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And I'm glad you brought up that security clearance thing, because this is sort of a favorite issue
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of Mark Carney. He loves to talk about this fact that Pierre Polyev doesn't have his security
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clearance. So while I'm at it, while we're talking about this ridiculous Global Mail story,
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let's throw in this claim that Pierre Polyev hasn't bothered to get his security clearance.
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Here is a clip of Mark Carney saying this exact thing.
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Pierre Polyev hasn't ever bothered to get his security clearance. I've already, during this
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leadership campaign, has filled out my forms. It wasn't that hard to do, I have to say,
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and put them in. I fully expect to get it in the near future.
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Okay, so he's saying at that point, he wasn't even the prime minister. He was running for liberal
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leader, and yet he was already able to submit his forms. I don't know how he was able to do that.
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He's not even a sitting member of parliament, but we'll move on from that. And he said it again,
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when he was in London, England, the weekend, he became prime minister. He was speaking to press,
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and he mentioned the same thing. Let's play that clip.
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That the leader of the opposition cannot find it. And look, you look at the questions this evening,
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you look at the nature of the discussions. Look at the nature of discussions I had
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with the president of France, the prime minister of the United Kingdom.
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The leader of the opposition would not be capable of having those discussions,
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because the leader of opposition refuses to get his security clearance,
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So again, he's mentioning that it took him a few weeks to get. He had just become prime minister
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at that point. So clearly, he got his security clearance before he was even prime minister,
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which is a little odd. But anyway, I want to address this idea that Pierre Polly hasn't gotten
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his security clearance. Well, I don't even have to, because Carson Germain of the National Post
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wrote an article about it. This is what the headline says.
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Mark Carney, the conspiracy theory prime minister, liberal leader spreads baseless allegation
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against Pierre Polly. This was March 10th, 2025. So let me just read from it.
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It is true that Polly has declined to receive a security briefing, which would require passing
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a clearance. But it has nothing to do with Donald Trump, as Carney seems to suggest.
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It is in relation to Chinese interference in Canadian elections, a reality that current
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prime minister Justin Trudeau spent months dismissing as a non-problem, despite the fact
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that there is evidence such interference was done to benefit the Liberal Party. He goes
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on, when the scope of Chinese meddling in elections became widely reported in late 2022 and early
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23, Polly have said he would decline security briefings that would detail top secret intelligence
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reports. But the reasoning was hardly nefarious. It was because receiving such briefings would
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have circumscribed what Polly have could say about Chinese interference, a point which everyone
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agrees. As a leader of the opposition, Polly have believed reasonably, I would say that any briefing
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offered would be used as a way for the government to get him to stop criticizing it over lacks its
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lax attitude to election security. So basically, just to sum that all up, Pierre Polly doesn't want
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to get the security briefings, because if he did, it would limit what he can say publicly, just like
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that leaker to the Globe and Mail did so against their security briefings, right? Again, you swear
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an oath, you get the security briefings, you get the security clearance, and you're not supposed to
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leak it to the media. Whoever did that didn't put their name out there because they're breaking the
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rules. But Pierre Polly is saying, if they brief me, then I won't be able to talk about it anymore.
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And I don't want that. The role of the opposition is to hold the prime minister to account to
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criticize them. And you want me to get these briefings to shut me up, basically. And it's not just me that's
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saying that it's not just the National Post. Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the opposition with
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the NDP, the left wing party, he was on CTV last summer in June, saying that he agrees with
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Pollyev and that Pollyev is doing the right thing. Let's play that clip. I agree completely with the
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call by Pierre Poyet. I think that Poyet was wise not to tie his own hands. He is the leader of the
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official opposition. I have once, you know, occupied that role for several years as leader of the
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opposition. I would never want to be hamstrung because I looked at a government document.
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I would never want to be told that I can't ask all the questions I want of the government.
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And I think that on this, Pollyev is completely right.
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Pollyev is completely right. So what do you make of it all, Josh?
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Well, you know, surprise, surprise. Of course he's right. It's because if you look at the details of
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what's happening, he isn't doing anything wrong. And also to add to the point there is he only gets to
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see what the government chooses that he gets to see anyway. So what is the benefit of doing it?
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And I love that Malclair was able to be bipartisan enough to realize that this is this really is a
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nothing burger. But then just shows as we go into this election, right, this is going to be one of
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the greasiest elections that we'll have ever seen because there's so much at stake there. It really
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is that literally the heart of Canada is at stake. Are we going to be given up to China? Are we going to
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be taken over by the United States? Or are we actually going to stand around two feet and fight for our
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country? Those are the questions that are being asked this election. And Canadians know it right
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now. So I think right now what liberals are trying to do is, again, just smoke screen, delay, dip,
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dodge, and making sure that they are not held to account to what their record's been in the last
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10 years, no matter what the face has been on it. So they're just, you know, they're on the attack.
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This is the offensive. This is what politics has come to in this country. You can hate it. You can love
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it. Reality is it's the reality. So you can work with it.
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And this is why I call it the deep state though, because like, why is CSIS involved in the liberal
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campaign? Why is the Globe and Mail going along with it? Right? Like, obviously this is Mark Carney's
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favorite talking point. Go after Pierre Polyev, say for some reason he won't get his security
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clearance. The National Post calls it a conspiracy theory because there's no base, there's no basis
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in it. So that they get a CSIS official and the Globe and Mail to help them orchestrate this as a
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campaign issue. Look, it's a short election. I think it's only 38 days and every single day
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matters. And what, you know, precious real estate on the front cover of the Globe and Mail or what,
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you know, people in the country are talking about, again, rather than talking about Mark Carney,
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rather than talking about the housing crisis, out of control, immigration, cost of living crisis,
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out of control, crime, out of control, drug use. Rather than talking about any of the important
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issues in the country, they've managed to orchestrate, you know, this is like wagging the
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dog, right? Get a CSIS official to link this to the Globe and Mail, get the Globe and Mail to put
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it on the front cover. Everybody will be talking about it. I guarantee wherever Pierre Polyev goes
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today, he will be asked about this and they'll turn it into a scandal, right? Rather than talking
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about the issues that matter, we're talking about a made up scandal, basically, that the National
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Post has called a conspiracy theory, all to play into the hands of Mark Carney. And so I've made
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this criticism so many times in the past, but this is what happens during an election campaign.
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The media is bought and paid for by the Liberal Party and the Liberal Party gives the orders and
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the legacy media goes along with it. Whatever the Liberals decide are going to be the talking points
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of the day. This is the message event of the day. This is what we're going to be talking about today.
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We're going to spend day three of the campaign talking about how somehow Pierre Polyev is involved
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in foreign interference scandals and not the Liberals. Don't pay attention to the Liberals.
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Just pay attention to the Conservatives. And they all go along with it. It's so frustrating.
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Yeah, that's exactly it. You called it out for what it is. And it is scummy, if I'm being honest,
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to see that this has randomly came out at this point in time. And as you said, it has been more
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of a nothing burger and hasn't really informed us of really anything that's of consequence.
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So why bring it up? Why bring it up now? And if there isn't some insider work that's
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happening at this current time. And this is why people are getting upset at the current
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establishment and the current way things operate is because they see the dirty games that are being
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played. And it will continue. And it's about it's going to be on Polyev at this point to see how he's
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going to react to it. Are you going to fall for the trap? Or are you going to be like, yeah, nice.
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Answer that with this. Boom. Get out of my face. Now I'm going to talk about real policies that are
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going to help Canadians. I think that's going to be the big thing he's going to have to do today.
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Because you said you call it out perfectly there, Candace. This will be the number one thing he
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gets brought up with today. And it's going to be on him to be the seasoned political official that
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he is to get around it, focus how to fight through it and get the real information that people care
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about in this country to Canadians. Well, I hope he does. OK, let's talk about Mark Carney and what
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he has been doing out on the campaign trail. This has kind of become a little mini scandal,
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this idea that he is refusing to go on TVA, the French language debate face to face. And he
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originally said that he was going to do it. And then suddenly he says that he is not doing
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it. So at a campaign stop out in Gander, Newfoundland, Mark Carney said he would accept Pierre Poilievre's
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challenge to go on TVA's debate. Let's play that clip.
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Bonjour, Monsieur Carney, c'est Fanny Olivier de Radio-Canada. Le chef conservateur Pierre
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Poilievre vous met au défi de participer au face-à -face de TVA. Est-ce que vous allez
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So he says we, like of course I will. But then, despite saying that he would, this is
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reported in the Toronto Sun, Carney now says that he won't take part in the TVA debate.
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And that the top liberals face scrutiny for his French skills, particularly during the
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liberal leadership race. There are some people online saying that it's something about how
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they were charging the campaign, that they were charging people $75,000 to do this campaign.
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And that's, that's the real reason. Because somehow the liberals are now morally opposed
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to giving media money, even though they fund all the newspapers and they fund the CBC.
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But this is a line too far and they're not willing to pay to be part of this debate. What
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Well, don't worry about it, liberals. I know you're broke. It's okay. But, you know,
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Paul, you have extended an olive branch about 20 minutes ago saying, don't worry, liberals.
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I'll cover it for you. The Conservative Party will cover the fee. Just come to the table
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and have a conversation. But no, the real conversation, the reality is Mark Carney doesn't want
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a debate in French. And I do, I think you're gonna have to correct me on this because this
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is where it's been a little confusing. I know he's agreed to the opposite of the English
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language debate and he has agreed to a French language debate. TVR, I believe was the additional,
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it was like almost a third debate, a second. And I think that's something we just need to
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clear up there where this isn't him trying to avoid a French language debate. This is him avoiding
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trying to get wrecked again in a second French language debate.
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Paul Yev, because he knows he would. He, I was talking to a friend who has a grandfather who lives
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in Quebec. And she was asking him, who's a staunch liberal his whole life, and asked him,
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what were your thoughts on Mark Carney's French? And he said, good luck in Quebec. That's all he said.
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And that's kind of what we're going to be seeing here is this is, again, a play to making sure that
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they minimize the amount of stage time he has with Paul Yev, especially in French, because Paul Yev,
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from Alberta. I'm not a Francophone, but I've heard enough people from Quebec speak French.
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And his nuances, his cadence, how he does that, you know, starts talking like he's got a down
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path. You'd think he's a Francophone. The way he talks is actually kind of impressive. And it
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almost freaks me out in some ways. But that is what they're trying to avoid at this point. So we'll
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see what is happening. But this is all straight up just theater. And now they're going to be caught
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up in this now. Because like, is it the $75,000? Well, that's been taken care of now. What's it?
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What's the real issue now? Right? Yeah. And thanks for clarifying that. So he will do
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the CBC Radio Canada French debate. But this is an initial one. And from again, I don't live in Quebec,
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I don't know. But in Quebec culture and French culture, TVR is like the big network that everyone
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cares a lot about. So even though he will be doing another one, a lot of people say, like, you know,
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TVR is very important. And you have to do that one as well. And it's interesting because the
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Liberals depend so much on having a strong Quebec in order to form a majority or in order to win
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elections. Like, you know, that is their base. That is like their Alberta. And yet, you know,
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it doesn't seem like Mark Carney is in a good position to relate to those people. He doesn't
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seem to have a lot of respect or, you know, even interest in trying to like improve his French.
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So I think that'll be one to watch, because if he allows, you know, Quebec to slip away,
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I think I think it really says goodbye to his chances of becoming prime minister. What do you
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think? Oh, well, I agree. Well, I have to say I Mr. Blanchett had me in stitches the way he reacted
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to that. He's like, well, quite frankly, at this point, I don't know what he's not scared of at this
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point. He's scared of the French language. He's scared to talk to Trump. What's next? You know,
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and I think that is in particular really funny. But there's a position I actually highlighted in
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my show this morning was the fact that how much the liberals hate Polyev. And that's mainly what
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I think what we saw in Carney there in that interview. It was the fact that you were being
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challenged by Polyev to do a debate in French and immediately was, of course, why not? Of course,
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I'd do it. And then later, two hours later, actually, we're not going to be doing that here.
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It was clearly he didn't want to look weak in the face of Polyev. It shows how much the
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liberals hate Polyev and they don't want to look less than than him. And that's exactly what that
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response was, was Carney's arrogance on full display for Canadians. Well, we have that clip
00:21:22.160
that you're talking about. So this is a clip of Pierre Polyev offering to pay the liberals to have
00:21:28.480
Mark Carney there speaking in Vaughn, Ontario this morning. And to your point, like this is just
00:21:33.520
humiliating. Like they really left this door open for Polyev to step up and do what he does best.
00:21:38.320
And I do think that he humiliates Mark Carney in this club, let's play it in hiding because he
00:21:44.800
believes that he's too weak to defend the lost liberal decade or explain why he thinks liberals
00:21:50.720
deserve a fourth term. Let's have a debate in French where we put us put together the choice,
00:21:57.520
either a fourth liberal term after costs and crime have gone up and our ergonomy has gone down under
00:22:06.160
the American thumb or putting Canada first for a change with a new conservative government that will
00:22:12.960
build the homes. I'll even pay Mr. Carney's fee so that he can show up. We'll take that excuse away from
00:22:20.080
him. Conservatives will even pay the fee to bring him out. He's not afraid. And by the way, if he is afraid
00:22:25.440
to have the debate, how is he going to have the courage to stand up against Donald Trump?
00:22:30.720
Some say the bubbles in an arrow truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.
00:22:35.440
Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light. Rich, creamy,
00:22:40.320
chocolatey arrow truffle. Feel the arrow bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.
00:22:46.800
I think he's just really playing into Polyev's strength there and allowing Polyev to take the issue.
00:22:52.800
What do you think? A hundred percent. That's exactly what's happening. I love that Polyev specifically
00:22:58.480
said, but we'll take that excuse away from him, you know, and it reminds me of my football coach back in
00:23:03.600
in high school. Our big thing was excuses are for losers. And that's exactly what this is,
00:23:10.080
is an excuse. And so we'll see what ends up happening moving forward. But you were right. Like,
00:23:15.440
you know, the struggle has been Quebec and it's Ontario for the conservatives traditionally.
00:23:19.440
And now it's just like, you're kind of like, there was a 40% support in Quebec right now for
00:23:23.520
the liberal party and you're starting to push them more to the blue side. That isn't the block blue.
00:23:27.840
It's the conservative blue. The more you're doing this type of stuff.
00:23:31.440
And, and on top of how bad his French really is, it's not going to serve him in Quebec. And we'll see,
00:23:37.680
we'll see what gets translated and what's good with the talk that happens in Quebec. Uh, you know,
00:23:43.280
we can think about the, one of the block representatives who since deleted his tweet,
00:23:47.040
but literally said that liberal party is a bigger threat to Canada than Donald Trump is. And
00:23:52.080
that sets some alarm bells off, especially for Mr. Gebo, who was not too heavy about it.
00:23:55.760
So I would tend to agree. I mean, who, who's destroyed our economy? It wasn't Donald Trump.
00:24:00.720
It was the liberals over the last 10 years and their radical policies, which seems that Mark
00:24:05.120
Carney is right on board continuing with the net zero and the carbon nonsense. I want to stay on policy
00:24:10.800
for a minute. Cause one thing that's happened is kind of interesting is that Mark Carney has
00:24:14.720
tacked right. He has abandoned a lot of the pet causes of the left wing. He is saying that he is
00:24:20.880
not going to have the carbon tax gotten rid of the carbon taxes. The first thing he did as prime
00:24:24.480
minister, I believe is sign a fake executive order. They're saying that, uh, he was going to get rid of
00:24:29.440
the carbon tax. Uh, and then he's also jumped on and copied peer poly of a policy when it comes to
00:24:34.480
giving an exemption, uh, to first time home buyers. And so I think because the liberals are
00:24:39.680
trying to steal the conservatives economic policies, it gives the conservatives more
00:24:45.200
opportunity to, you know, go even harder and, and hammer at home. So we saw Pierre Polyev announced
00:24:50.720
a 15%, uh, tax cut, uh, income tax cut, which could save families up to 2000 or $1,800 a year.
00:24:59.920
So speaking at a campaign stop in Brampton, Polyev pledged to drop the lowest personal income
00:25:04.880
bracket by 15%, bringing it from 15% to 12. Here is a clip of him saying that today. I'm announcing
00:25:13.520
that Canada first conservatives will cut income taxes by 15% for the average worker or $2,000 for
00:25:23.520
the average couple. This is a tax cut for seniors who are drawing their pension or retirement income.
00:25:30.240
They will pay on average 15% less. This is a tax cut for the workers behind me who will pay 15% less
00:25:38.960
on their income tax. This is a tax cut for the waitress, for the welder, for the barber. This is
00:25:45.440
a tax cut for everybody who has ever got up early in the morning and work hard to build our country.
00:25:54.480
So, uh, what do you think of this policy, Josh?
00:25:58.400
I think it's a, it's a good start. I think right now that's tax cuts are big right now. And so that
00:26:04.720
first income bracket going from 15% down to 12.75%, I think it was two and a quarter is what they're
00:26:11.200
essentially deducting. I think is a big cut. I think it's, that's a lot of money. You said yourself,
00:26:16.400
$1,800. Um, that's a good chunk of cash. I think we're looking at $125, $150 a month in savings for a family.
00:26:25.040
We'll take that then add on top of that, all the tax that are looking to take off the board. In
00:26:30.400
addition, the savings are going to keep increasing. So I think it's a good start. I would like to see
00:26:36.160
it continue to be pushed as they move forward, but I think it's a good place to start.
00:26:40.000
Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm with you. I like any tax cut is good. I'm on board for it. I would like to see
00:26:43.840
Paulie have, it would be great if he just said like, let's bring in a flat tax or let's eliminate
00:26:48.480
income tax altogether. I mean, now is the time I think to throw things out there. This is something that
00:26:53.040
Trump did incredibly well was just saying, you know, we're going to get a mandate. We want a big
00:26:57.440
mandate. And these are all the things that we want to change and actually draw a very stark distinction
00:27:02.240
between yourself and the other side. And actually kind of reminds me again, I just remember this,
00:27:07.760
but during the campaign, remember Donald Trump came out and said that they were going to eliminate
00:27:11.120
taxes on tips. And then like a few days later, Democrat Kamala Harris said the same thing. It was like,
00:27:17.040
I don't know if she just heard him say, I was like, that's a good idea.
00:27:19.600
Or if they like planned intentionally to try to do that, to like neutralize the issue. But I think
00:27:24.800
that Pierre Paulie have obviously relates to working class people a lot better. He goes on these
00:27:29.520
tours. He goes, they call them meet and greets, but he goes and he meets thousands and thousands
00:27:33.760
of Canadians every day, shakes their hand and hears their concerns and talks to them. And so I think he
00:27:38.960
has a lot better idea of what would help and what issues are really facing Canadians versus Mark Carney,
00:27:45.600
who's, you know, in the C suite and obviously feels deeply uncomfortable when he's placed around
00:27:49.920
working class people, as we saw in Edmonton last week, where he came up with the, you know,
00:27:54.320
the fellows there and the hard hats. And you could tell that they just didn't want anything to do with
00:27:57.600
him. He didn't know how to even like approach them. And it was just like a super tense, awkward
00:28:03.520
encounter. Okay. I want to switch it over to Jagmeet Singh, because we've talked about this before.
00:28:08.640
Oh, sorry. Did you, you can, you can jump in there.
00:28:10.560
Yeah. One last point there too. I find this, you know, as much as the liberals and the media will
00:28:15.200
try to frame in a specific way, I'm starting to see this election as a big win for conservatives,
00:28:19.200
because we're starting to see the mere opposite of what we saw back in 2021 was Aaron O'Toole tried
00:28:23.520
to be left wing to try and went over the left wing moderates. And now what we're seeing is Carney's
00:28:28.880
trying to be what Aaron O'Toole was last election. And so, as you just said a real perfectly earlier,
00:28:33.280
where conservatives are now dragging Carney and liberals over to the right side. You know what the thing
00:28:38.560
hasn't been mentioned once this election campaign so far, Candace? Identity politics nowhere to be
00:28:44.240
found. And I think that's a big win for regular people because we're able to talk about things
00:28:49.280
that people actually care about and not about some of these niche topics that the liberals tried to
00:28:53.040
champion as a big part of their platform. And that was, sorry, that's just one last thing I wanted to say.
00:28:56.720
Well, it's interesting you say that as, as if it's a win, I agree. It's, it's nice to not have those
00:29:01.280
issues shoved down our throats anymore. Clearly they've gotten the memo that Canadians don't care and they
00:29:06.160
don't want that, right? Everyone live their own life. I don't care what you do. You shouldn't care
00:29:10.560
what I do as long as it's happening like in your personal life or whatever. But I, I still think
00:29:15.760
that it's important that we get an idea of where our political leaders stand on these issues, right?
00:29:21.520
So any, anytime there's a divisive social issue that the media think that they can trap a conservative
00:29:27.280
and get them to say something, they'll like, they'll go for the jugular, right? And they'll be ruthless.
00:29:32.720
And we saw this in the 2019 campaign with Andrew Scheer, where they made a big deal about the fact
00:29:36.880
that Andrew Scheer is a practicing Catholic and therefore he believes that gay marriage. I mean,
00:29:42.640
this is not a thing for Catholics, right? And that being gay is a sin. And they made that the biggest
00:29:47.120
issue of the campaign, right? They, all they wanted to do with former prime minister, Stephen Harper
00:29:51.840
was exposed, like who is pro-life on his team and make it seem like they were radical Christian
00:29:57.200
nationalists or whatever, right? And same thing with Pierre Polyev. Uh, I think it was last year,
00:30:02.400
Daniel Smith from Alberta came out and banned, uh, sex changes basically for kids, um, cross-sex
00:30:09.600
hormones and sex change operations for kids, right? And the media thought this was a great opportunity
00:30:16.080
to try to get Pierre Polyev on record. And so they pushed him, they scrummed him, they made him take a
00:30:21.440
position on that as they should, right? That's the role of the media. They, they, they, they sensed
00:30:25.840
that there was maybe an opportunity to get him to say something that he hadn't planned on saying,
00:30:30.560
and they pushed him on it. And he came out and he made the correct decision. He said, you know,
00:30:34.640
children shouldn't have these kinds of drugs. It's not for children, right? You can't consent to that
00:30:38.560
kind of thing. And yet they won't ask Mark Carney. They won't ask him his, where he stands on these
00:30:45.120
divisive social issues. They won't ask him whether he believes there's two genders or a thousand
00:30:49.280
genders. They won't ask him whether he believes that these sex change operations and, and cross-sex
00:30:54.640
hormones should be available to children. He hasn't said whether he believes that boys should be able
00:30:58.560
to play on the girls' force. My, my only point is that the media are all of a sudden totally
00:31:02.560
uninterested and there's no curiosity to find out where the prime minister stands on these issues.
00:31:07.040
They're happy to push conservatives on them, but they don't care in, in, in not even that they don't
00:31:11.680
care. They actively campaign against anyone who does care. Yeah. It's almost, you know, to a degree
00:31:17.760
where it hasn't been brought up this campaign at all. Cause they'd almost don't want it to come
00:31:20.960
back on them. And there is something to be said to Candace where, you know, you I'm a big fan of,
00:31:26.160
you know, using the measure that you use upon others. And I think that is something that I would,
00:31:31.120
I would welcome against the liberal party. Like, okay, you know, media, you've made this a big
00:31:34.800
issue up to this point. All of a sudden Mark Carney's in, and we know that he has some more conservative
00:31:40.720
values. We won't say nothing about it, but we know he does. And, but you're not going to question
00:31:44.560
him directly on these things. Like he would have here, Paul, you have to say, you know,
00:31:47.840
two years ago or Aaron O'Toole four years ago or Andrew Scheer six years ago. So, um,
00:31:54.400
I do agree. There is a point to that, but I also kind of, you know, I stay, I think I stay in my
00:31:58.160
ground to a lit to a degree where I am happy that identity politics is nowhere part of this election
00:32:04.080
right now. And cause it is already overall, it is a distraction in a lot of ways, um, to like,
00:32:09.440
you know, the issue of being able to afford your home health care and be able to, um,
00:32:14.800
get power back on our dollar. So, yeah, fair enough. Okay. Let's talk about Jagmeet Singh quickly,
00:32:19.840
because one of the interesting things in Canadian politics is that in order for the conservatives to
00:32:24.880
win, they actually need a strong NDP, right? You need to have that vote split that happens. And for
00:32:30.080
folks that don't know what I'm talking about, basically the conservatives poll at 35 to 40%,
00:32:34.800
that's not enough to form a majority. But what happens is because the Canadian left is kind of
00:32:39.840
split, there's more like the hard left wingers, the environmentalists and the union folks,
00:32:44.560
traditionally. And then there's more of the centrists and the bankers and the business class,
00:32:48.880
which is the liberals. And in order for the conservatives to get through, there needs to
00:32:53.680
be some kind of a split in mostly in kind of competitive ridings, say in and around Toronto,
00:32:58.880
in and around Vancouver. And then in Quebec, there's a different vote split that happens with the
00:33:02.960
block. But when the NDP collapses, as we saw earlier this month, the NDP hit like rock bottom,
00:33:11.600
like single digits, that does create a clear path for a liberal victory. And so I think that,
00:33:18.480
interestingly, conservatives and the NDP can have some kind of a shared goal in that, you know,
00:33:24.880
they actually want the conservatives would actually want the NDP to be a bit stronger. And it's also
00:33:29.600
interesting, because if you have a left wing constituency in Canada, say, like 40% of the
00:33:34.880
country's left wing, you kind of imagine, okay, you have this guy who's a central banker, who's
00:33:41.360
probably a multimillionaire, we don't even know, because he won't disclose his assets, but he's
00:33:45.040
probably a multimillionaire. And he's made all of his money through Wall Street, Goldman Sachs,
00:33:51.840
globalist sort of positions in the WEF and United Nations. I mean, he's a banker, right? That's not
00:34:00.080
typically the face of the left, right? Like there's a person who encompasses the values of left wingers
00:34:08.320
who usually fight for the workers, for the little guy, you know, people in the unions. Interestingly,
00:34:12.800
I think one of the unions just endorsed conservatives for the first time. But I think that Jagmeet Singh is
00:34:19.040
making a very good point here, where he's talking about how Mark Carney contributed to the housing
00:34:25.760
crisis through his business, through what Brookfield Athletic Management does. And that the more that
00:34:32.800
Jagmeet Singh can hit these points, I think it is beneficial, just in pointing out to left wing
00:34:38.080
Canadians, hey, this guy isn't your champion, right? He's totally an elitist and out of touch. So I want to,
00:34:43.920
we'll play this clip of Jagmeet Singh, and then I'll have you react to all that, Josh. So here's,
00:34:47.280
here's Jagmeet Singh speaking at a campaign stop in Montreal on Monday.
00:34:52.320
The fact that he headed up Brookfield, and Brookfield is a large corporate landlord in Canada
00:34:57.680
that engaged in rent eviction. At a time when Canadians could not find affordable homes,
00:35:03.040
he saw a way to make more profit for his company. And now I don't fault him for making profit for his
00:35:08.960
company. I fault him for proposing that somehow the person that fed the housing crisis, that rent evicted
00:35:15.440
people, that jacked up the price of homes that were affordable, that bought up affordable homes,
00:35:21.200
then turned them into unaffordable places, that somehow that guy could be trusted to fix the housing crisis.
00:35:27.040
What do you think? One thing about Jagmeet is he's always engaged in hyperbole when it came to
00:35:36.800
attacking Polyev. But this, everything he said was spot on. There was no hyperbole needed. It was
00:35:42.800
actually refreshing to see Jagmeet Singh do what the NDP are supposed to do. And that's advocate for the
00:35:50.800
working class and be like, yeah, this guy you want, or they're telling you that you want. He is not,
00:35:56.080
he doesn't, he plays for the bad guys, you know, the eat the rich, all those, you know,
00:36:00.160
he's one of those. I just want to let you know. You know, and I think that was a big statement
00:36:05.280
coming from the NDP, because it's one thing to hear Polyev, Lansman, or someone step up in the
00:36:09.040
House of Commons saying, you know, Carney this. But when he got Jagmeet Singh in the NDP saying,
00:36:15.120
no, trust me, this guy stinks. And you do not want to vote for him, I think is, it's a huge
00:36:21.600
proponent. I think I can't remember who the MP was, but it was another NDP MP who stood up at a
00:36:25.920
press conference a couple weeks ago saying the exact same thing about Mark Carney. And I thought
00:36:31.520
that was a huge win. So we literally, we clipped that on our show, we posted on social channels,
00:36:36.080
like, we're like, yo, great job, NDP Canada, way to stick it and making sure you are holding them
00:36:41.920
accountable. This is good behavior. And we want to reinforce good behavior coming from the left
00:36:46.840
wing. When the because when we agree on things, I think it's important to advocate and acknowledge
00:36:50.960
that we agree on this. And we want to see this out of our politics. So I think it was a big move.
00:36:54.900
Right? Yes. Send that clip to your left wing friends and family members who are considering voting for
00:36:59.340
liberal, because you're exactly right. Like, Mark Carney is just not a good figure to lead the political
00:37:05.720
left. And it may be an unintended consequence of Mark Carney seeing Pierre Polyev as his biggest threat
00:37:11.240
and taking a few steps back to the center, I would argue, or maybe towards the political right,
00:37:15.960
is that he leaves a lot of space open on the left. I wish that the NDP had switched its leader. I wish
00:37:21.840
that they had kicked Jagmeet Singh out after the last election and had someone else someone new in there
00:37:27.640
because it's hard for me to take serious anything Jagmeet Singh says after propping up the liberals for
00:37:33.540
four long years and allowing so many scandals. And it is interesting because say Jagmeet Singh had forced an
00:37:40.660
election two years ago when Justin Trudeau was starting to plummet in the polls after, frankly,
00:37:46.220
after the trucker convoy and the use of the emergencies act, the illegal use of the emergency
00:37:49.540
act. At that point, Pierre Polyev would have won the landslide. And it's possible that Jagmeet Singh
00:37:55.480
would have been rewarded by becoming leader of the opposition and having a real stake in our political
00:38:01.140
system and having that opportunity. But because he chose the cowardly route, which was to just prop up
00:38:06.400
Justin Trudeau, he is being punished. And I think that a lot of Canadians want to punish him,
00:38:10.820
not interested in going back to the NDP. But I will say that I agree that this message that Mark
00:38:16.960
Carney, I mean, for goodness sakes, if that's what Brookfield Asset Management was doing in Canada,
00:38:21.320
buying up homes, evicting tenants, renovating them to make them so expensive that Canadians,
00:38:26.700
many Canadian families can't afford to live in them. Like that's not exactly a record to be proud of.
00:38:32.000
Yeah, especially, and that was one of the points the NDP MP made was like,
00:38:35.100
they're one of the biggest tax dodgers in Canada. But so people who want, who are like,
00:38:39.760
please give me more tax. Well, there, there it is. There's the big guy who's not, who's avoiding
00:38:45.660
paying tax. That's a big conversation to be having. And I'm seeing this live in my life right
00:38:50.660
now, Candace, where my nan, hardcore NDP her whole life, Chrysler worked at the factories union big
00:38:58.500
on that. I asked her, you know, two years ago, my, Hey, what are your thoughts on Jagmeet Singh?
00:39:03.620
You're like, Oh, I can't stand them. He's, he doesn't stand up for anybody. And I'm like,
00:39:07.160
who are you voting for? Oh, Pierre Poliev. And I was like, Oh, interesting. Okay. That's,
00:39:10.060
that's a big move for you. And then, you know, Mark Carney gets installed into the liberal
00:39:15.060
leadership race or the party. And I asked her, Oh, what are your thoughts now? Mark Carney's
00:39:19.000
more centrist. What are your thoughts on there? He's like, no way. He moved his headquarters from
00:39:23.340
Canada, New York. I have no interest in that. He doesn't care about workers. He doesn't care
00:39:26.780
about unions. The only pro union person on this ticket right now is Poliev. I can't believe I'm
00:39:32.240
saying that, but I'm voting conservative, but you can't change my mind on that. I was like,
00:39:35.800
gee, this woman's bled orange her whole life. And now within the past handful of years has gone
00:39:41.820
conservative, which is incredible. Wow. What an incredible shift. Well,
00:39:45.280
I hope many more Canadians have that, have that moment and, and come around. Um, and interesting
00:39:50.080
to see, we even have unions endorsing the conservatives for exactly the reason that you
00:39:54.560
said, uh, Josh Udall with the elevate podcast. It's been such a pleasure to have you on. We'll have to
00:39:58.560
have you back. Thank you so much, Candice. Really appreciate it. All right. Thank you so much,
00:40:01.880
Josh. That's all the time we have for today. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is a Candice Malcolm
00:40:05.140
show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you. And God bless.