The Candice Malcolm Show - Election INTERFERENCE from Canada’s Deep State

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for

00:00:06.700 you today. Thank you so much for tuning in. Don't forget to like this video, share it,

00:00:10.940 leave it a comment and subscribe. So I am joined today for the entire episode by a podcaster,

00:00:17.480 one of my favorite podcasters in Canada. His name is Josh Udall. So Josh is an entrepreneur

00:00:21.800 based in Halifax and he co-hosts the Elevate podcast discussing business, marketing and

00:00:27.540 politics. Josh, thank you so much for joining the show. Thank you so much for having me. I'm

00:00:31.700 grateful to be here. Well, I love your podcast and it's great. Great to get to know you. I've never

00:00:36.400 had you on the show before. So I'm looking forward to our conversation. Likewise. So I'm very excited

00:00:40.640 to see what the magic can make happen today. Okay. So this is the big story. This is the sort of

00:00:47.920 the thing that was all over social media this morning, breaking news from the Globe and Mail

00:00:52.200 front page story that CSIS alleges that India organized support for Pierre Polyev's 2022

00:00:59.720 conservative leadership bid. And I have a lot of issues with this news article. I have a lot of

00:01:06.700 issues right down to the headline. So I am going to walk the audience through this story and then I'm

00:01:12.740 going to get you to comment and react, Josh. Okay. So let's just start off with this headline

00:01:17.540 that CSIS alleges that there was organized support. Let me just say, let me just clarify,

00:01:23.600 CSIS does not allege this. The story is based on an unnamed official within CSIS that leaked this

00:01:30.520 story to the Globe and Mail. They decided to leak it in the middle of an election campaign, right?

00:01:34.480 And they are making this allegation. So this is not coming from the head of CSIS. This isn't a press

00:01:39.800 conference or a report that has been put out by the government. This is, in my opinion, election

00:01:45.260 interference. They held this story. This is a report from 2022. They held it until a campaign,

00:01:51.160 until the election was underway. They want to derail the conservatives. They want to derail

00:01:55.460 Pierre Polyev, make him look illegitimate, make him look like somehow there's something nefarious going

00:02:00.780 on with his leadership of the party. It is all a deflection away from Mark Carney, away from what just

00:02:06.840 happened, the total mess and ridiculousness of the liberal race, where they had 400 members,

00:02:12.760 only 150 voted, 150,000 voted, where they disqualified two major candidates because they

00:02:19.080 didn't want Mark Carney to be challenged in any meaningful way, right? And so all of that is

00:02:23.820 happening. And then this story drops from the Globe and Mail. She's having the Globe and Mail for even

00:02:27.820 printing this stuff and being involved in it. So just allow me to go through the story because

00:02:33.460 it is really something. Okay. So here's how the story reads. Agents of India and their proxies

00:02:41.260 allegedly meddled in the 2022 election of Pierre Polyev as conservative leader, as part of a larger

00:02:47.400 effort to cozy up to politicians of all parties, according to a source with top secret clearance.

00:02:54.360 The source said that the Canadian Security Intelligence Service, CSIS, learned that Indian

00:02:59.020 agents were involved in raising money and organizing within the South Asian community for Mr. Polyev during

00:03:04.560 a leadership race, which he won handily. But the CSIS assessment did not indicate that this effort was

00:03:10.320 done in a sweeping and highly organized way, said the source. Mr. Polyev won on the first ballot

00:03:14.900 with 68%. Okay. So first of all, they admit right here that it didn't really have an impact.

00:03:22.460 Pierre Polyev won with a sweeping majority. We all know that Pierre Polyev is very popular within the

00:03:27.800 Conservative Party. And even though there were other, you know, high profile candidates, namely Jean Charest,

00:03:33.940 Lesley, Leslie Lewis, Roman Babber, there were other people that were, you know, and Patrick Brown,

00:03:39.580 who's the mayor of Mississauga, or sorry, of Brampton, you know, other high profile leaders, but Pierre is

00:03:44.680 so popular within the party, he won handily. And here that they're saying that the CSIS assessment did

00:03:49.960 not indicate that the effort was done in a sweeping way. So it sort of seems like random one-off things.

00:03:55.080 Let me just continue reading. It says, CSIS also did not have evidence that Mr. Polyev or members of

00:04:00.640 the inner circle were aware of the alleged actions of India's agents and their proxies,

00:04:05.640 said the source, who has national security clearance to see top secret reports. The Globe and Mail is not

00:04:11.580 identifying the source because they were not authorized to disclose classified information

00:04:16.380 publicly. Okay. So you have a whistleblower, allegedly, giving top secret information to the Globe and Mail in

00:04:25.140 the middle of an election. It says that this person has top secret clearance. So they're sharing

00:04:30.160 secret information from the government, sharing it with the Globe and Mail, which I believe is a crime,

00:04:36.400 or at least it should be, doing it in the campaign, and making it seem like Pierre Polyev did something

00:04:41.780 wrong, even though in the article itself, it admits that he didn't do anything wrong. He didn't know

00:04:45.720 about it. His team didn't know about it, and it didn't have an impact. So the big question out of

00:04:50.600 this story is why is it a story? Why did the Globe and Mail put this on the cover of their newspaper? Why are

00:04:56.940 they trying to push this as an election issue? Is there something wrong with Pierre Polyev's

00:05:01.800 leadership? Is it illegitimate in any way? No, of course not. But this is what the media does.

00:05:07.220 They whip up the narrative. They don't want to talk about Mark Carney. They don't want to talk about

00:05:11.460 his record or the liberal record and what it's done to Canada. They don't want to ask tough questions

00:05:16.480 of the prime minister. And instead, they go after the leader of the opposition for something that's

00:05:22.480 completely irrelevant. And in my mind, it's nothing. Look, it is a problem that there are

00:05:26.820 Indian agents that are acting in the South Asian community and doing this kind of thing. That is a 0.96

00:05:31.200 problem. But it's the government's problem. It is Trudeau's government and now Mark Carney's

00:05:36.080 government. It's their job to crack down on that, not Pierre Polyev, who even as a report

00:05:42.320 admits, didn't even know about it. So Josh, what do you make of the story and what do you make

00:05:47.300 of my interpretation of it? I think it's accurate from what you read there.

00:05:53.020 And really what's going to happen here is what they're feasting their eyes on right now is the

00:05:56.740 headline readers who are only really going to be doing that in this election. Right now, we have a

00:06:00.360 very short election. And what's going to happen, I've said this on my show, is things are going to be

00:06:05.260 pumped like crazy, like drinking information out of a fire hose. So people really aren't going to have

00:06:09.380 time to look at the article as you just did here. They're going to headline read. And the

00:06:13.220 narrative is going to be crafted that there goes Polyev again and his security clearance not

00:06:18.220 getting it. Look how irresponsible he is. And that's how exactly how this is going to go. And

00:06:22.760 that's the narrative that they're purposely trying to create through this. The only question I have

00:06:27.280 is if it had such a big impact, I'm wondering, Candace, do you hear anything about the Indian police

00:06:34.200 stations that have taken place in this country? Oh, no, no. Oh, sorry. That's China. My bad. That was 1.00

00:06:38.660 China. Oh, my bad. Yes. The country that has benefited the liberal party consistently,

00:06:43.380 including Parm Baines out in B.C. and who invited Mark Carney out that had Chinese paid for media in

00:06:49.400 the audience. Yes. We don't want to talk about that, though. It's going to be about the security

00:06:53.220 clearance for Pierre Polyev. No, that's exactly what this is. And they're trying to keep the

00:06:56.700 attention off them and how they've benefited from actual election interference that has really

00:07:01.480 inundated that party to this point. Well, it is so true. We had Sam Cooper,

00:07:05.040 the investigative journalist, on the show two weeks ago, and he had photographic evidence of

00:07:09.320 Justin Trudeau meeting with basically Chinese gangsters who were the kingpins in the drug and 0.96

00:07:15.780 fentanyl wars. And he has photos of them, Justin Trudeau, attending high-priced, high-dollar

00:07:21.480 fundraisers with them. So we know that this has happened. The Hogue report came out, and it didn't

00:07:27.020 blow the whistle on what we thought it would. It didn't really deliver much. But now, again,

00:07:31.940 bringing it up in the middle of an election campaign and trying to flip it to say, oh, no,

00:07:35.240 it's not about the Chinese and the liberals. It's really about India and the conservatives.

00:07:40.540 And I'm glad you brought up that security clearance thing, because this is sort of a favorite issue

00:07:45.660 of Mark Carney. He loves to talk about this fact that Pierre Polyev doesn't have his security

00:07:51.720 clearance. So while I'm at it, while we're talking about this ridiculous Global Mail story,

00:07:55.720 let's throw in this claim that Pierre Polyev hasn't bothered to get his security clearance.

00:08:01.020 Here is a clip of Mark Carney saying this exact thing.

00:08:06.860 Pierre Polyev hasn't ever bothered to get his security clearance. I've already, during this

00:08:13.800 leadership campaign, has filled out my forms. It wasn't that hard to do, I have to say,

00:08:18.280 and put them in. I fully expect to get it in the near future.

00:08:23.180 Okay, so he's saying at that point, he wasn't even the prime minister. He was running for liberal

00:08:27.600 leader, and yet he was already able to submit his forms. I don't know how he was able to do that.

00:08:31.020 He's not even a sitting member of parliament, but we'll move on from that. And he said it again,

00:08:36.020 when he was in London, England, the weekend, he became prime minister. He was speaking to press,

00:08:41.440 and he mentioned the same thing. Let's play that clip.

00:08:45.200 That the leader of the opposition cannot find it. And look, you look at the questions this evening,

00:08:50.440 you look at the nature of the discussions. Look at the nature of discussions I had

00:08:54.660 with the president of France, the prime minister of the United Kingdom.

00:08:59.080 The leader of the opposition would not be capable of having those discussions,

00:09:02.820 because the leader of opposition refuses to get his security clearance,

00:09:07.540 something that it took me a few weeks to get.

00:09:10.040 So again, he's mentioning that it took him a few weeks to get. He had just become prime minister

00:09:16.720 at that point. So clearly, he got his security clearance before he was even prime minister,

00:09:21.460 which is a little odd. But anyway, I want to address this idea that Pierre Polly hasn't gotten

00:09:26.940 his security clearance. Well, I don't even have to, because Carson Germain of the National Post

00:09:30.980 wrote an article about it. This is what the headline says.

00:09:33.400 Mark Carney, the conspiracy theory prime minister, liberal leader spreads baseless allegation

00:09:40.020 against Pierre Polly. This was March 10th, 2025. So let me just read from it.

00:09:45.140 It is true that Polly has declined to receive a security briefing, which would require passing

00:09:49.780 a clearance. But it has nothing to do with Donald Trump, as Carney seems to suggest.

00:09:53.640 It is in relation to Chinese interference in Canadian elections, a reality that current

00:09:58.220 prime minister Justin Trudeau spent months dismissing as a non-problem, despite the fact

00:10:02.300 that there is evidence such interference was done to benefit the Liberal Party. He goes

00:10:07.080 on, when the scope of Chinese meddling in elections became widely reported in late 2022 and early

00:10:12.600 23, Polly have said he would decline security briefings that would detail top secret intelligence

00:10:18.820 reports. But the reasoning was hardly nefarious. It was because receiving such briefings would

00:10:24.180 have circumscribed what Polly have could say about Chinese interference, a point which everyone

00:10:30.380 agrees. As a leader of the opposition, Polly have believed reasonably, I would say that any briefing

00:10:35.880 offered would be used as a way for the government to get him to stop criticizing it over lacks its

00:10:42.300 lax attitude to election security. So basically, just to sum that all up, Pierre Polly doesn't want

00:10:49.180 to get the security briefings, because if he did, it would limit what he can say publicly, just like

00:10:54.300 that leaker to the Globe and Mail did so against their security briefings, right? Again, you swear

00:10:59.640 an oath, you get the security briefings, you get the security clearance, and you're not supposed to

00:11:03.940 leak it to the media. Whoever did that didn't put their name out there because they're breaking the

00:11:07.560 rules. But Pierre Polly is saying, if they brief me, then I won't be able to talk about it anymore.

00:11:13.320 And I don't want that. The role of the opposition is to hold the prime minister to account to

00:11:17.480 criticize them. And you want me to get these briefings to shut me up, basically. And it's not just me that's

00:11:23.060 saying that it's not just the National Post. Thomas Mulcair, the former leader of the opposition with

00:11:27.960 the NDP, the left wing party, he was on CTV last summer in June, saying that he agrees with

00:11:34.580 Pollyev and that Pollyev is doing the right thing. Let's play that clip. I agree completely with the

00:11:40.580 call by Pierre Poyet. I think that Poyet was wise not to tie his own hands. He is the leader of the

00:11:46.500 official opposition. I have once, you know, occupied that role for several years as leader of the

00:11:51.380 opposition. I would never want to be hamstrung because I looked at a government document.

00:11:57.560 I would never want to be told that I can't ask all the questions I want of the government.

00:12:02.060 And I think that on this, Pollyev is completely right.

00:12:06.720 Pollyev is completely right. So what do you make of it all, Josh?

00:12:10.020 Well, you know, surprise, surprise. Of course he's right. It's because if you look at the details of

00:12:15.060 what's happening, he isn't doing anything wrong. And also to add to the point there is he only gets to

00:12:20.040 see what the government chooses that he gets to see anyway. So what is the benefit of doing it?

00:12:24.600 And I love that Malclair was able to be bipartisan enough to realize that this is this really is a

00:12:29.260 nothing burger. But then just shows as we go into this election, right, this is going to be one of

00:12:34.380 the greasiest elections that we'll have ever seen because there's so much at stake there. It really

00:12:39.680 is that literally the heart of Canada is at stake. Are we going to be given up to China? Are we going to 0.95

00:12:44.640 be taken over by the United States? Or are we actually going to stand around two feet and fight for our

00:12:47.720 country? Those are the questions that are being asked this election. And Canadians know it right

00:12:52.180 now. So I think right now what liberals are trying to do is, again, just smoke screen, delay, dip,

00:12:59.880 dodge, and making sure that they are not held to account to what their record's been in the last

00:13:03.720 10 years, no matter what the face has been on it. So they're just, you know, they're on the attack.

00:13:07.360 This is the offensive. This is what politics has come to in this country. You can hate it. You can love

00:13:12.340 it. Reality is it's the reality. So you can work with it.

00:13:15.560 And this is why I call it the deep state though, because like, why is CSIS involved in the liberal

00:13:20.240 campaign? Why is the Globe and Mail going along with it? Right? Like, obviously this is Mark Carney's

00:13:25.120 favorite talking point. Go after Pierre Polyev, say for some reason he won't get his security

00:13:29.100 clearance. The National Post calls it a conspiracy theory because there's no base, there's no basis

00:13:33.500 in it. So that they get a CSIS official and the Globe and Mail to help them orchestrate this as a

00:13:38.880 campaign issue. Look, it's a short election. I think it's only 38 days and every single day

00:13:44.660 matters. And what, you know, precious real estate on the front cover of the Globe and Mail or what,

00:13:51.880 you know, people in the country are talking about, again, rather than talking about Mark Carney,

00:13:56.820 rather than talking about the housing crisis, out of control, immigration, cost of living crisis,

00:14:01.560 out of control, crime, out of control, drug use. Rather than talking about any of the important

00:14:05.540 issues in the country, they've managed to orchestrate, you know, this is like wagging the

00:14:10.420 dog, right? Get a CSIS official to link this to the Globe and Mail, get the Globe and Mail to put

00:14:15.260 it on the front cover. Everybody will be talking about it. I guarantee wherever Pierre Polyev goes

00:14:19.440 today, he will be asked about this and they'll turn it into a scandal, right? Rather than talking

00:14:24.060 about the issues that matter, we're talking about a made up scandal, basically, that the National

00:14:28.260 Post has called a conspiracy theory, all to play into the hands of Mark Carney. And so I've made

00:14:33.560 this criticism so many times in the past, but this is what happens during an election campaign.

00:14:38.240 The media is bought and paid for by the Liberal Party and the Liberal Party gives the orders and

00:14:45.040 the legacy media goes along with it. Whatever the Liberals decide are going to be the talking points

00:14:50.280 of the day. This is the message event of the day. This is what we're going to be talking about today.

00:14:54.040 We're going to spend day three of the campaign talking about how somehow Pierre Polyev is involved

00:14:59.320 in foreign interference scandals and not the Liberals. Don't pay attention to the Liberals.

00:15:03.380 Just pay attention to the Conservatives. And they all go along with it. It's so frustrating.

00:15:07.880 Yeah, that's exactly it. You called it out for what it is. And it is scummy, if I'm being honest,

00:15:14.040 to see that this has randomly came out at this point in time. And as you said, it has been more

00:15:19.440 of a nothing burger and hasn't really informed us of really anything that's of consequence.

00:15:23.320 So why bring it up? Why bring it up now? And if there isn't some insider work that's

00:15:28.760 happening at this current time. And this is why people are getting upset at the current

00:15:34.000 establishment and the current way things operate is because they see the dirty games that are being

00:15:38.300 played. And it will continue. And it's about it's going to be on Polyev at this point to see how he's

00:15:43.140 going to react to it. Are you going to fall for the trap? Or are you going to be like, yeah, nice.

00:15:49.060 Answer that with this. Boom. Get out of my face. Now I'm going to talk about real policies that are

00:15:52.740 going to help Canadians. I think that's going to be the big thing he's going to have to do today.

00:15:55.180 Because you said you call it out perfectly there, Candace. This will be the number one thing he

00:15:59.180 gets brought up with today. And it's going to be on him to be the seasoned political official that

00:16:05.100 he is to get around it, focus how to fight through it and get the real information that people care

00:16:10.800 about in this country to Canadians. Well, I hope he does. OK, let's talk about Mark Carney and what

00:16:15.800 he has been doing out on the campaign trail. This has kind of become a little mini scandal,

00:16:19.980 this idea that he is refusing to go on TVA, the French language debate face to face. And he

00:16:28.240 originally said that he was going to do it. And then suddenly he says that he is not doing

00:16:32.320 it. So at a campaign stop out in Gander, Newfoundland, Mark Carney said he would accept Pierre Poilievre's

00:16:38.080 challenge to go on TVA's debate. Let's play that clip.

00:16:41.520 Bonjour, Monsieur Carney, c'est Fanny Olivier de Radio-Canada. Le chef conservateur Pierre

00:16:47.780 Poilievre vous met au défi de participer au face-à-face de TVA. Est-ce que vous allez

00:16:53.520 le faire?

00:16:54.520 Pourquoi pas.

00:16:55.520 Pourquoi pas?

00:16:56.520 Oui, pourquoi pas, oui.

00:16:58.520 So he says we, like of course I will. But then, despite saying that he would, this is

00:17:03.960 reported in the Toronto Sun, Carney now says that he won't take part in the TVA debate.

00:17:11.200 And that the top liberals face scrutiny for his French skills, particularly during the

00:17:15.480 liberal leadership race. There are some people online saying that it's something about how

00:17:20.220 they were charging the campaign, that they were charging people $75,000 to do this campaign.

00:17:27.200 And that's, that's the real reason. Because somehow the liberals are now morally opposed

00:17:31.520 to giving media money, even though they fund all the newspapers and they fund the CBC.

00:17:36.880 But this is a line too far and they're not willing to pay to be part of this debate. What

00:17:40.760 do you think, Josh?

00:17:41.760 Well, don't worry about it, liberals. I know you're broke. It's okay. But, you know,

00:17:45.480 Paul, you have extended an olive branch about 20 minutes ago saying, don't worry, liberals.

00:17:50.680 I'll cover it for you. The Conservative Party will cover the fee. Just come to the table

00:17:54.020 and have a conversation. But no, the real conversation, the reality is Mark Carney doesn't want

00:17:58.960 a debate in French. And I do, I think you're gonna have to correct me on this because this

00:18:03.200 is where it's been a little confusing. I know he's agreed to the opposite of the English

00:18:07.040 language debate and he has agreed to a French language debate. TVR, I believe was the additional,

00:18:11.520 it was like almost a third debate, a second. And I think that's something we just need to

00:18:15.760 clear up there where this isn't him trying to avoid a French language debate. This is him avoiding

00:18:21.040 trying to get wrecked again in a second French language debate.

00:18:24.320 Paul Yev, because he knows he would. He, I was talking to a friend who has a grandfather who lives

00:18:30.960 in Quebec. And she was asking him, who's a staunch liberal his whole life, and asked him,

00:18:36.800 what were your thoughts on Mark Carney's French? And he said, good luck in Quebec. That's all he said.

00:18:43.040 And that's kind of what we're going to be seeing here is this is, again, a play to making sure that

00:18:48.240 they minimize the amount of stage time he has with Paul Yev, especially in French, because Paul Yev,

00:18:52.880 from Alberta. I'm not a Francophone, but I've heard enough people from Quebec speak French.

00:18:58.640 And his nuances, his cadence, how he does that, you know, starts talking like he's got a down

00:19:05.120 path. You'd think he's a Francophone. The way he talks is actually kind of impressive. And it

00:19:09.040 almost freaks me out in some ways. But that is what they're trying to avoid at this point. So we'll

00:19:14.720 see what is happening. But this is all straight up just theater. And now they're going to be caught

00:19:20.720 up in this now. Because like, is it the $75,000? Well, that's been taken care of now. What's it?

00:19:25.440 What's the real issue now? Right? Yeah. And thanks for clarifying that. So he will do

00:19:29.520 the CBC Radio Canada French debate. But this is an initial one. And from again, I don't live in Quebec,

00:19:35.520 I don't know. But in Quebec culture and French culture, TVR is like the big network that everyone

00:19:40.320 cares a lot about. So even though he will be doing another one, a lot of people say, like, you know,

00:19:45.360 TVR is very important. And you have to do that one as well. And it's interesting because the

00:19:49.600 Liberals depend so much on having a strong Quebec in order to form a majority or in order to win

00:19:55.440 elections. Like, you know, that is their base. That is like their Alberta. And yet, you know,

00:20:01.600 it doesn't seem like Mark Carney is in a good position to relate to those people. He doesn't

00:20:06.640 seem to have a lot of respect or, you know, even interest in trying to like improve his French.

00:20:13.040 So I think that'll be one to watch, because if he allows, you know, Quebec to slip away, 0.65

00:20:19.360 I think I think it really says goodbye to his chances of becoming prime minister. What do you

00:20:22.880 think? Oh, well, I agree. Well, I have to say I Mr. Blanchett had me in stitches the way he reacted

00:20:29.440 to that. He's like, well, quite frankly, at this point, I don't know what he's not scared of at this

00:20:33.920 point. He's scared of the French language. He's scared to talk to Trump. What's next? You know,

00:20:39.360 and I think that is in particular really funny. But there's a position I actually highlighted in

00:20:44.400 my show this morning was the fact that how much the liberals hate Polyev. And that's mainly what

00:20:50.960 I think what we saw in Carney there in that interview. It was the fact that you were being

00:20:55.520 challenged by Polyev to do a debate in French and immediately was, of course, why not? Of course,

00:21:02.720 I'd do it. And then later, two hours later, actually, we're not going to be doing that here.

00:21:06.400 It was clearly he didn't want to look weak in the face of Polyev. It shows how much the 0.96

00:21:11.520 liberals hate Polyev and they don't want to look less than than him. And that's exactly what that

00:21:17.360 response was, was Carney's arrogance on full display for Canadians. Well, we have that clip

00:21:22.160 that you're talking about. So this is a clip of Pierre Polyev offering to pay the liberals to have

00:21:28.480 Mark Carney there speaking in Vaughn, Ontario this morning. And to your point, like this is just

00:21:33.520 humiliating. Like they really left this door open for Polyev to step up and do what he does best.

00:21:38.320 And I do think that he humiliates Mark Carney in this club, let's play it in hiding because he

00:21:44.800 believes that he's too weak to defend the lost liberal decade or explain why he thinks liberals

00:21:50.720 deserve a fourth term. Let's have a debate in French where we put us put together the choice,

00:21:57.520 either a fourth liberal term after costs and crime have gone up and our ergonomy has gone down under

00:22:06.160 the American thumb or putting Canada first for a change with a new conservative government that will

00:22:12.960 build the homes. I'll even pay Mr. Carney's fee so that he can show up. We'll take that excuse away from

00:22:20.080 him. Conservatives will even pay the fee to bring him out. He's not afraid. And by the way, if he is afraid

00:22:25.440 to have the debate, how is he going to have the courage to stand up against Donald Trump?

00:22:30.720 Some say the bubbles in an arrow truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.

00:22:35.440 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light. Rich, creamy,

00:22:40.320 chocolatey arrow truffle. Feel the arrow bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.

00:22:46.800 I think he's just really playing into Polyev's strength there and allowing Polyev to take the issue.

00:22:52.800 What do you think? A hundred percent. That's exactly what's happening. I love that Polyev specifically 0.89

00:22:58.480 said, but we'll take that excuse away from him, you know, and it reminds me of my football coach back in

00:23:03.600 in high school. Our big thing was excuses are for losers. And that's exactly what this is,

00:23:10.080 is an excuse. And so we'll see what ends up happening moving forward. But you were right. Like,

00:23:15.440 you know, the struggle has been Quebec and it's Ontario for the conservatives traditionally.

00:23:19.440 And now it's just like, you're kind of like, there was a 40% support in Quebec right now for

00:23:23.520 the liberal party and you're starting to push them more to the blue side. That isn't the block blue.

00:23:27.840 It's the conservative blue. The more you're doing this type of stuff.

00:23:31.440 And, and on top of how bad his French really is, it's not going to serve him in Quebec. And we'll see,

00:23:37.680 we'll see what gets translated and what's good with the talk that happens in Quebec. Uh, you know,

00:23:43.280 we can think about the, one of the block representatives who since deleted his tweet,

00:23:47.040 but literally said that liberal party is a bigger threat to Canada than Donald Trump is. And

00:23:52.080 that sets some alarm bells off, especially for Mr. Gebo, who was not too heavy about it.

00:23:55.760 So I would tend to agree. I mean, who, who's destroyed our economy? It wasn't Donald Trump.

00:24:00.720 It was the liberals over the last 10 years and their radical policies, which seems that Mark

00:24:05.120 Carney is right on board continuing with the net zero and the carbon nonsense. I want to stay on policy

00:24:10.800 for a minute. Cause one thing that's happened is kind of interesting is that Mark Carney has

00:24:14.720 tacked right. He has abandoned a lot of the pet causes of the left wing. He is saying that he is

00:24:20.880 not going to have the carbon tax gotten rid of the carbon taxes. The first thing he did as prime

00:24:24.480 minister, I believe is sign a fake executive order. They're saying that, uh, he was going to get rid of

00:24:29.440 the carbon tax. Uh, and then he's also jumped on and copied peer poly of a policy when it comes to

00:24:34.480 giving an exemption, uh, to first time home buyers. And so I think because the liberals are

00:24:39.680 trying to steal the conservatives economic policies, it gives the conservatives more

00:24:45.200 opportunity to, you know, go even harder and, and hammer at home. So we saw Pierre Polyev announced

00:24:50.720 a 15%, uh, tax cut, uh, income tax cut, which could save families up to 2000 or $1,800 a year.

00:24:59.920 So speaking at a campaign stop in Brampton, Polyev pledged to drop the lowest personal income

00:25:04.880 bracket by 15%, bringing it from 15% to 12. Here is a clip of him saying that today. I'm announcing

00:25:13.520 that Canada first conservatives will cut income taxes by 15% for the average worker or $2,000 for

00:25:23.520 the average couple. This is a tax cut for seniors who are drawing their pension or retirement income.

00:25:30.240 They will pay on average 15% less. This is a tax cut for the workers behind me who will pay 15% less

00:25:38.960 on their income tax. This is a tax cut for the waitress, for the welder, for the barber. This is

00:25:45.440 a tax cut for everybody who has ever got up early in the morning and work hard to build our country.

00:25:51.440 This is a tax cut that will put Canada first.

00:25:54.480 So, uh, what do you think of this policy, Josh?

00:25:58.400 I think it's a, it's a good start. I think right now that's tax cuts are big right now. And so that

00:26:04.720 first income bracket going from 15% down to 12.75%, I think it was two and a quarter is what they're

00:26:11.200 essentially deducting. I think is a big cut. I think it's, that's a lot of money. You said yourself,

00:26:16.400 $1,800. Um, that's a good chunk of cash. I think we're looking at $125, $150 a month in savings for a family.

00:26:25.040 We'll take that then add on top of that, all the tax that are looking to take off the board. In

00:26:30.400 addition, the savings are going to keep increasing. So I think it's a good start. I would like to see

00:26:36.160 it continue to be pushed as they move forward, but I think it's a good place to start.

00:26:40.000 Yeah. I'm, I'm, I'm with you. I like any tax cut is good. I'm on board for it. I would like to see

00:26:43.840 Paulie have, it would be great if he just said like, let's bring in a flat tax or let's eliminate

00:26:48.480 income tax altogether. I mean, now is the time I think to throw things out there. This is something that

00:26:53.040 Trump did incredibly well was just saying, you know, we're going to get a mandate. We want a big

00:26:57.440 mandate. And these are all the things that we want to change and actually draw a very stark distinction

00:27:02.240 between yourself and the other side. And actually kind of reminds me again, I just remember this,

00:27:07.760 but during the campaign, remember Donald Trump came out and said that they were going to eliminate

00:27:11.120 taxes on tips. And then like a few days later, Democrat Kamala Harris said the same thing. It was like,

00:27:17.040 I don't know if she just heard him say, I was like, that's a good idea.

00:27:19.600 Or if they like planned intentionally to try to do that, to like neutralize the issue. But I think

00:27:24.800 that Pierre Paulie have obviously relates to working class people a lot better. He goes on these

00:27:29.520 tours. He goes, they call them meet and greets, but he goes and he meets thousands and thousands

00:27:33.760 of Canadians every day, shakes their hand and hears their concerns and talks to them. And so I think he

00:27:38.960 has a lot better idea of what would help and what issues are really facing Canadians versus Mark Carney,

00:27:45.600 who's, you know, in the C suite and obviously feels deeply uncomfortable when he's placed around

00:27:49.920 working class people, as we saw in Edmonton last week, where he came up with the, you know,

00:27:54.320 the fellows there and the hard hats. And you could tell that they just didn't want anything to do with

00:27:57.600 him. He didn't know how to even like approach them. And it was just like a super tense, awkward

00:28:03.520 encounter. Okay. I want to switch it over to Jagmeet Singh, because we've talked about this before.

00:28:08.640 Oh, sorry. Did you, you can, you can jump in there.

00:28:10.560 Yeah. One last point there too. I find this, you know, as much as the liberals and the media will

00:28:15.200 try to frame in a specific way, I'm starting to see this election as a big win for conservatives,

00:28:19.200 because we're starting to see the mere opposite of what we saw back in 2021 was Aaron O'Toole tried

00:28:23.520 to be left wing to try and went over the left wing moderates. And now what we're seeing is Carney's

00:28:28.880 trying to be what Aaron O'Toole was last election. And so, as you just said a real perfectly earlier,

00:28:33.280 where conservatives are now dragging Carney and liberals over to the right side. You know what the thing

00:28:38.560 hasn't been mentioned once this election campaign so far, Candace? Identity politics nowhere to be

00:28:44.240 found. And I think that's a big win for regular people because we're able to talk about things

00:28:49.280 that people actually care about and not about some of these niche topics that the liberals tried to

00:28:53.040 champion as a big part of their platform. And that was, sorry, that's just one last thing I wanted to say.

00:28:56.720 Well, it's interesting you say that as, as if it's a win, I agree. It's, it's nice to not have those

00:29:01.280 issues shoved down our throats anymore. Clearly they've gotten the memo that Canadians don't care and they 0.99

00:29:06.160 don't want that, right? Everyone live their own life. I don't care what you do. You shouldn't care

00:29:10.560 what I do as long as it's happening like in your personal life or whatever. But I, I still think

00:29:15.760 that it's important that we get an idea of where our political leaders stand on these issues, right?

00:29:21.520 So any, anytime there's a divisive social issue that the media think that they can trap a conservative

00:29:27.280 and get them to say something, they'll like, they'll go for the jugular, right? And they'll be ruthless.

00:29:32.720 And we saw this in the 2019 campaign with Andrew Scheer, where they made a big deal about the fact

00:29:36.880 that Andrew Scheer is a practicing Catholic and therefore he believes that gay marriage. I mean,

00:29:42.640 this is not a thing for Catholics, right? And that being gay is a sin. And they made that the biggest 1.00

00:29:47.120 issue of the campaign, right? They, all they wanted to do with former prime minister, Stephen Harper

00:29:51.840 was exposed, like who is pro-life on his team and make it seem like they were radical Christian

00:29:57.200 nationalists or whatever, right? And same thing with Pierre Polyev. Uh, I think it was last year,

00:30:02.400 Daniel Smith from Alberta came out and banned, uh, sex changes basically for kids, um, cross-sex

00:30:09.600 hormones and sex change operations for kids, right? And the media thought this was a great opportunity

00:30:16.080 to try to get Pierre Polyev on record. And so they pushed him, they scrummed him, they made him take a

00:30:21.440 position on that as they should, right? That's the role of the media. They, they, they, they sensed

00:30:25.840 that there was maybe an opportunity to get him to say something that he hadn't planned on saying,

00:30:30.560 and they pushed him on it. And he came out and he made the correct decision. He said, you know,

00:30:34.640 children shouldn't have these kinds of drugs. It's not for children, right? You can't consent to that

00:30:38.560 kind of thing. And yet they won't ask Mark Carney. They won't ask him his, where he stands on these

00:30:45.120 divisive social issues. They won't ask him whether he believes there's two genders or a thousand

00:30:49.280 genders. They won't ask him whether he believes that these sex change operations and, and cross-sex 0.53

00:30:54.640 hormones should be available to children. He hasn't said whether he believes that boys should be able

00:30:58.560 to play on the girls' force. My, my only point is that the media are all of a sudden totally

00:31:02.560 uninterested and there's no curiosity to find out where the prime minister stands on these issues.

00:31:07.040 They're happy to push conservatives on them, but they don't care in, in, in not even that they don't

00:31:11.680 care. They actively campaign against anyone who does care. Yeah. It's almost, you know, to a degree

00:31:17.760 where it hasn't been brought up this campaign at all. Cause they'd almost don't want it to come

00:31:20.960 back on them. And there is something to be said to Candace where, you know, you I'm a big fan of,

00:31:26.160 you know, using the measure that you use upon others. And I think that is something that I would,

00:31:31.120 I would welcome against the liberal party. Like, okay, you know, media, you've made this a big

00:31:34.800 issue up to this point. All of a sudden Mark Carney's in, and we know that he has some more conservative

00:31:40.720 values. We won't say nothing about it, but we know he does. And, but you're not going to question

00:31:44.560 him directly on these things. Like he would have here, Paul, you have to say, you know,

00:31:47.840 two years ago or Aaron O'Toole four years ago or Andrew Scheer six years ago. So, um,

00:31:54.400 I do agree. There is a point to that, but I also kind of, you know, I stay, I think I stay in my

00:31:58.160 ground to a lit to a degree where I am happy that identity politics is nowhere part of this election

00:32:04.080 right now. And cause it is already overall, it is a distraction in a lot of ways, um, to like,

00:32:09.440 you know, the issue of being able to afford your home health care and be able to, um,

00:32:14.800 get power back on our dollar. So, yeah, fair enough. Okay. Let's talk about Jagmeet Singh quickly,

00:32:19.840 because one of the interesting things in Canadian politics is that in order for the conservatives to

00:32:24.880 win, they actually need a strong NDP, right? You need to have that vote split that happens. And for

00:32:30.080 folks that don't know what I'm talking about, basically the conservatives poll at 35 to 40%,

00:32:34.800 that's not enough to form a majority. But what happens is because the Canadian left is kind of

00:32:39.840 split, there's more like the hard left wingers, the environmentalists and the union folks,

00:32:44.560 traditionally. And then there's more of the centrists and the bankers and the business class,

00:32:48.880 which is the liberals. And in order for the conservatives to get through, there needs to

00:32:53.680 be some kind of a split in mostly in kind of competitive ridings, say in and around Toronto,

00:32:58.880 in and around Vancouver. And then in Quebec, there's a different vote split that happens with the

00:33:02.960 block. But when the NDP collapses, as we saw earlier this month, the NDP hit like rock bottom,

00:33:11.600 like single digits, that does create a clear path for a liberal victory. And so I think that,

00:33:18.480 interestingly, conservatives and the NDP can have some kind of a shared goal in that, you know,

00:33:24.880 they actually want the conservatives would actually want the NDP to be a bit stronger. And it's also

00:33:29.600 interesting, because if you have a left wing constituency in Canada, say, like 40% of the

00:33:34.880 country's left wing, you kind of imagine, okay, you have this guy who's a central banker, who's

00:33:41.360 probably a multimillionaire, we don't even know, because he won't disclose his assets, but he's

00:33:45.040 probably a multimillionaire. And he's made all of his money through Wall Street, Goldman Sachs,

00:33:51.840 globalist sort of positions in the WEF and United Nations. I mean, he's a banker, right? That's not

00:34:00.080 typically the face of the left, right? Like there's a person who encompasses the values of left wingers

00:34:08.320 who usually fight for the workers, for the little guy, you know, people in the unions. Interestingly,

00:34:12.800 I think one of the unions just endorsed conservatives for the first time. But I think that Jagmeet Singh is

00:34:19.040 making a very good point here, where he's talking about how Mark Carney contributed to the housing

00:34:25.760 crisis through his business, through what Brookfield Athletic Management does. And that the more that

00:34:32.800 Jagmeet Singh can hit these points, I think it is beneficial, just in pointing out to left wing

00:34:38.080 Canadians, hey, this guy isn't your champion, right? He's totally an elitist and out of touch. So I want to,

00:34:43.920 we'll play this clip of Jagmeet Singh, and then I'll have you react to all that, Josh. So here's,

00:34:47.280 here's Jagmeet Singh speaking at a campaign stop in Montreal on Monday.

00:34:52.320 The fact that he headed up Brookfield, and Brookfield is a large corporate landlord in Canada

00:34:57.680 that engaged in rent eviction. At a time when Canadians could not find affordable homes,

00:35:03.040 he saw a way to make more profit for his company. And now I don't fault him for making profit for his

00:35:08.960 company. I fault him for proposing that somehow the person that fed the housing crisis, that rent evicted

00:35:15.440 people, that jacked up the price of homes that were affordable, that bought up affordable homes,

00:35:21.200 then turned them into unaffordable places, that somehow that guy could be trusted to fix the housing crisis.

00:35:27.040 What do you think? One thing about Jagmeet is he's always engaged in hyperbole when it came to

00:35:36.800 attacking Polyev. But this, everything he said was spot on. There was no hyperbole needed. It was

00:35:42.800 actually refreshing to see Jagmeet Singh do what the NDP are supposed to do. And that's advocate for the

00:35:50.800 working class and be like, yeah, this guy you want, or they're telling you that you want. He is not, 0.95

00:35:56.080 he doesn't, he plays for the bad guys, you know, the eat the rich, all those, you know,

00:36:00.160 he's one of those. I just want to let you know. You know, and I think that was a big statement

00:36:05.280 coming from the NDP, because it's one thing to hear Polyev, Lansman, or someone step up in the

00:36:09.040 House of Commons saying, you know, Carney this. But when he got Jagmeet Singh in the NDP saying,

00:36:15.120 no, trust me, this guy stinks. And you do not want to vote for him, I think is, it's a huge

00:36:21.600 proponent. I think I can't remember who the MP was, but it was another NDP MP who stood up at a

00:36:25.920 press conference a couple weeks ago saying the exact same thing about Mark Carney. And I thought

00:36:31.520 that was a huge win. So we literally, we clipped that on our show, we posted on social channels,

00:36:36.080 like, we're like, yo, great job, NDP Canada, way to stick it and making sure you are holding them

00:36:41.920 accountable. This is good behavior. And we want to reinforce good behavior coming from the left

00:36:46.840 wing. When the because when we agree on things, I think it's important to advocate and acknowledge

00:36:50.960 that we agree on this. And we want to see this out of our politics. So I think it was a big move.

00:36:54.900 Right? Yes. Send that clip to your left wing friends and family members who are considering voting for

00:36:59.340 liberal, because you're exactly right. Like, Mark Carney is just not a good figure to lead the political

00:37:05.720 left. And it may be an unintended consequence of Mark Carney seeing Pierre Polyev as his biggest threat

00:37:11.240 and taking a few steps back to the center, I would argue, or maybe towards the political right,

00:37:15.960 is that he leaves a lot of space open on the left. I wish that the NDP had switched its leader. I wish

00:37:21.840 that they had kicked Jagmeet Singh out after the last election and had someone else someone new in there

00:37:27.640 because it's hard for me to take serious anything Jagmeet Singh says after propping up the liberals for

00:37:33.540 four long years and allowing so many scandals. And it is interesting because say Jagmeet Singh had forced an

00:37:40.660 election two years ago when Justin Trudeau was starting to plummet in the polls after, frankly,

00:37:46.220 after the trucker convoy and the use of the emergencies act, the illegal use of the emergency

00:37:49.540 act. At that point, Pierre Polyev would have won the landslide. And it's possible that Jagmeet Singh

00:37:55.480 would have been rewarded by becoming leader of the opposition and having a real stake in our political

00:38:01.140 system and having that opportunity. But because he chose the cowardly route, which was to just prop up

00:38:06.400 Justin Trudeau, he is being punished. And I think that a lot of Canadians want to punish him,

00:38:10.820 not interested in going back to the NDP. But I will say that I agree that this message that Mark

00:38:16.960 Carney, I mean, for goodness sakes, if that's what Brookfield Asset Management was doing in Canada,

00:38:21.320 buying up homes, evicting tenants, renovating them to make them so expensive that Canadians, 0.84

00:38:26.700 many Canadian families can't afford to live in them. Like that's not exactly a record to be proud of.

00:38:32.000 Yeah, especially, and that was one of the points the NDP MP made was like,

00:38:35.100 they're one of the biggest tax dodgers in Canada. But so people who want, who are like,

00:38:39.760 please give me more tax. Well, there, there it is. There's the big guy who's not, who's avoiding

00:38:45.660 paying tax. That's a big conversation to be having. And I'm seeing this live in my life right

00:38:50.660 now, Candace, where my nan, hardcore NDP her whole life, Chrysler worked at the factories union big 1.00

00:38:58.500 on that. I asked her, you know, two years ago, my, Hey, what are your thoughts on Jagmeet Singh?

00:39:03.620 You're like, Oh, I can't stand them. He's, he doesn't stand up for anybody. And I'm like,

00:39:07.160 who are you voting for? Oh, Pierre Poliev. And I was like, Oh, interesting. Okay. That's,

00:39:10.060 that's a big move for you. And then, you know, Mark Carney gets installed into the liberal

00:39:15.060 leadership race or the party. And I asked her, Oh, what are your thoughts now? Mark Carney's

00:39:19.000 more centrist. What are your thoughts on there? He's like, no way. He moved his headquarters from

00:39:23.340 Canada, New York. I have no interest in that. He doesn't care about workers. He doesn't care

00:39:26.780 about unions. The only pro union person on this ticket right now is Poliev. I can't believe I'm

00:39:32.240 saying that, but I'm voting conservative, but you can't change my mind on that. I was like,

00:39:35.800 gee, this woman's bled orange her whole life. And now within the past handful of years has gone 1.00

00:39:41.820 conservative, which is incredible. Wow. What an incredible shift. Well,

00:39:45.280 I hope many more Canadians have that, have that moment and, and come around. Um, and interesting

00:39:50.080 to see, we even have unions endorsing the conservatives for exactly the reason that you

00:39:54.560 said, uh, Josh Udall with the elevate podcast. It's been such a pleasure to have you on. We'll have to

00:39:58.560 have you back. Thank you so much, Candice. Really appreciate it. All right. Thank you so much,

00:40:01.880 Josh. That's all the time we have for today. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is a Candice Malcolm

00:40:05.140 show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you. And God bless.

The Candice Malcolm Show - March 25, 2025

Election INTERFERENCE from Canada’s Deep State

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