The Candice Malcolm Show - Ep 11 ｜ Rex Murphy ｜ Refusing to be cancelled

00:00:00.000 About once a week, I go onto Twitter and see that Rex Murphy is trending on the platform.

00:00:05.760 Left-wing Twitter despises him, and every time he releases a column, it seems,

00:00:10.240 the angry groupthink mob loses their mind, goes after him,

00:00:15.040 and demands that he be fired from the National Post,

00:00:17.820 where he's written a regular column since 2010.

00:00:21.280 Fortunately for Canadians, Rex hasn't been fired. Not yet, anyway.

00:00:26.260 Over the summer, he wrote a column with the headline,

00:00:28.640 Canada is not a racist country, despite what the Liberals say.

00:00:34.260 The column was fairly tame, and stated truths that many Canadians have long agreed on,

00:00:40.260 namely that Canada is not a country defined by racism.

00:00:44.160 Regardless, the column generated an extreme reaction,

00:00:47.460 particularly among the staff at the National Post,

00:00:50.060 which is purportedly a newspaper with a conservative editorial position.

00:00:54.240 The newspaper held an emergency all-staff meeting.

00:00:57.760 The audio of which was leaked to a left-wing blog,

00:01:01.480 where editors groveled and apologized to the woke staff

00:01:05.220 for the sin of allowing an old white guy like Rex to write a column on racism.

00:01:10.700 Despite countless attempts to cancel Rex Murphy,

00:01:14.100 the mob just can't seem to close the deal.

00:01:16.960 And for many Canadians, myself included,

00:01:19.720 Rex is a legend and an icon of Canadian journalism.

00:01:22.880 He is most commonly known for his 21-year stint as the regular host of CBC Radio 1's Cross-Country Checkup,

00:01:31.440 a nationwide call-in show where Rex would speak directly to everyday Canadians

00:01:36.400 to get a real feel for what was going on in the country.

00:01:39.760 Rex also had a regular commentary segment on CBC's The National,

00:01:44.300 sharing his perspective on political, social, and cultural issues to a wide audience.

00:01:49.320 For decades, Rex has provided a much-needed dose of common sense

00:01:54.480 in a world where a good sense is anything but common.

00:01:58.080 In our conversation, Rex and I talked about a broad range of issues,

00:02:02.020 including his critique of the Trudeau government and its handling of the COVID-19 pandemic,

00:02:06.700 the changes he's seen in the media landscape over the past few decades,

00:02:10.820 the totalitarian impulses of the left and the media,

00:02:14.260 cancel culture, riots, media manipulation,

00:02:16.840 and how he personally stands up to the mob

00:02:19.860 and refuses to be a victim of cancel culture.

00:02:23.420 It was an honour sitting down with Rex in this,

00:02:25.900 the premiere episode of Season 2 of the True North Speaker Series.

00:02:29.580 I hope you enjoy our conversation.

00:02:31.520 Let me know what you think in the comments section,

00:02:33.440 and please, share this video with friends and like-minded Canadians.

00:02:36.540 Rex Murphy, thank you so much for joining us.

00:02:50.580 Thank you for sitting down with me here today.

00:02:52.880 Well, it's fun to be here.

00:02:54.400 Well, I feel like this has just been such an interesting time in the world,

00:02:58.120 an interesting year, because, you know, every time there's an election,

00:03:01.860 you wrote recently about how every election is the most important election,

00:03:05.780 and it's an election year in the U.S.,

00:03:07.660 and things have just sort of been thrown into turmoil

00:03:10.580 because of all of the various things that have happened.

00:03:13.480 So before we get into the sort of substance of the interview,

00:03:16.040 I just want to get your overview.

00:03:18.100 You know, what do you make of the COVID-19 crisis?

00:03:20.960 What do you make of the sort of lockdowns and the state of the economy right now?

00:03:24.920 Well, it's a coagulation we've had since our own minor Canadian election,

00:03:33.140 where we had the beginnings of the new tension in Canada,

00:03:37.040 which is a very serious problem.

00:03:39.340 That got kind of sidelined.

00:03:41.840 COVID swam into view and suffocated every other issue and policy that we know about,

00:03:47.900 and there are very, very many.

00:03:50.000 Some of them are international,

00:03:51.100 like the two people that we have in the China archipelago.

00:03:56.020 Some of them are obviously your relations with the states.

00:03:59.700 Then on top of COVID, as a medical invasion,

00:04:05.480 we had the suspension of virtually the entire Canadian economy.

00:04:11.600 And that received secondary attention,

00:04:14.020 because health always has priority over us.

00:04:16.200 But that in itself means that there is a subterraneous rumbling of a second vast crisis

00:04:23.860 about to break out as soon as we think we've dealt sufficiently with COVID.

00:04:31.060 And then on top of this, number three, 0.72

00:04:33.180 on top of that, we had this ridiculous minority government, 1.00

00:04:36.240 which depending on what day it is,

00:04:37.760 is either supported by the bloc or the NDP.

00:04:39.940 And Mr. Trudeau deciding to play Robinson Crusoe in the Governor General's Cottage.

00:04:47.320 And we have suspended parliament.

00:04:48.820 I'm not an historian, so I may be completely wrong on this.

00:04:51.600 But we have suspended parliament for the longest time

00:04:53.960 that I think it ever has been suspended.

00:04:56.600 And we are on top of that.

00:04:58.360 This is number five.

00:05:00.140 We are spending, my most recent number,

00:05:02.580 is at least $159 billion without a budget,

00:05:09.000 without any financial update,

00:05:11.740 without the ability of the finance officers of the parliament itself

00:05:15.880 to interrogate at the current word.

00:05:19.460 And finally, the Auditor General,

00:05:21.360 who is the most slender individual on parliament in the right now,

00:05:25.120 he's been asked to look at expenditures

00:05:28.060 that are exponentially greater than any other time in history

00:05:33.140 on a budget that is much reduced, and he can't do it.

00:05:36.840 And finally, on top of that,

00:05:39.240 COVID as a psychological moment

00:05:40.980 has ratcheted up tensions of politics,

00:05:44.620 both here, but most especially in the States,

00:05:47.700 because there we have the sphinx-like figure,

00:05:50.560 the absolute phoenix of American politics,

00:05:54.160 Donald Trump,

00:05:55.480 and he's an electrical system all to himself,

00:05:58.380 and as it draws close to November 4th,

00:06:00.540 all of these things are coming to some confluence or convergence,

00:06:06.100 and I expect the next four months,

00:06:09.220 especially as it plays out on the ground in America

00:06:12.620 and in employment up here, in industry up here,

00:06:16.220 are going to be among the most singular,

00:06:19.120 and I'm not being rhetorical,

00:06:20.640 that I've seen in the long-wasted years of my life.

00:06:24.860 Well, it's really interesting,

00:06:26.700 because so much of our attention is geared towards the U.S. election

00:06:30.160 and what is happening with Trump,

00:06:32.580 but things around us just haven't gone back to normal.

00:06:35.400 We haven't really had a sense of normal

00:06:37.060 since at least February, maybe,

00:06:39.860 and amidst the chaos of what's happening around us,

00:06:44.220 particularly with COVID,

00:06:45.160 but then also the sort of rise of the Black Lives Matter movement,

00:06:48.880 which has been around for five years or so,

00:06:51.540 but it's really boiled over.

00:06:53.520 It's mutated.

00:06:55.100 There's no questioning that the original incident,

00:06:58.180 the cop with the knee on the black person,

00:07:00.580 triggered a political response,

00:07:03.540 but anyone who thinks that they can now connect

00:07:05.820 that particularly criminal incident,

00:07:08.660 which, by the way,

00:07:09.580 led to immediate charges which were then upgraded.

00:07:11.940 Justice did come into play.

00:07:14.380 If you think that that has anything to do with the behavior

00:07:20.880 in Chicago last night, for example,

00:07:23.620 and went to rash 70, 50, 39 shootings per weekend,

00:07:30.240 some masked citizens, Antifa or BLM,

00:07:34.480 I don't know how you tell the difference,

00:07:36.640 assuming, I find this quite incredible,

00:07:40.060 and I know the meaning of the word,

00:07:42.420 that at some point in the North American city,

00:07:45.440 100 or 200 or 300 strangers can walk into

00:07:48.800 already tenanted and business established,

00:07:53.080 six blocks of a modern city,

00:07:55.220 and assume authority over it

00:07:57.580 with the tacit permission of the then mayor.

00:08:00.960 I've been reading today, before I came to see you,

00:08:03.940 of citizens of Seattle,

00:08:05.620 who during that period were asked for their past

00:08:09.900 to go into their own house.

00:08:12.420 And you've seen in Portland, as we're speaking,

00:08:15.720 there's been 73 nights running

00:08:18.220 in which they burn down police precincts,

00:08:20.960 they shoot people,

00:08:22.280 they have gang attacks.

00:08:23.640 This is not BLM or Antifa.

00:08:26.380 This is some other thing.

00:08:28.200 This is why I spilled out all those other things.

00:08:31.080 I'm seeing something new here.

00:08:33.500 We've always had clashes on the streets.

00:08:36.160 But this is a long-running program.

00:08:38.780 And when I have absolutely no evidence,

00:08:41.520 I cannot dissociate it

00:08:43.260 with the intense passions

00:08:45.340 that are aggravated,

00:08:48.900 in some cases justifiably,

00:08:50.500 in other cases not,

00:08:52.040 by the extreme electrical personality of Trump.

00:08:54.880 and yet three years of collusion,

00:08:58.120 the election is coming,

00:08:59.200 and I think there are new and negative forces

00:09:01.460 of some real danger

00:09:04.120 that is going to re-characterize.

00:09:07.400 There's one set that will not have him president again,

00:09:10.840 and there's another set that if they feel

00:09:12.780 he has been broken illegitimately,

00:09:16.260 are not going to be happy again.

00:09:18.620 I have not seen, I meant that thing.

00:09:21.440 I know everyone says it's the biggest.

00:09:22.720 I come from John Kennedy to the present minute.

00:09:26.640 There is nothing as potentially volatile

00:09:29.320 as the next three or four months in the States,

00:09:31.980 and that means for us too.

00:09:33.940 Well, so, Rex,

00:09:35.060 what is it about the current time and Donald Trump?

00:09:38.720 Because, you know, we hear it so often,

00:09:40.680 it's become cliche that every election

00:09:42.140 is the most important election.

00:09:43.500 I know, we do, and it's never true.

00:09:44.280 And sometimes it feels like

00:09:45.640 we're just sort of reliving the same stuff

00:09:47.340 over and over again.

00:09:48.300 Like 2016 was sort of like this,

00:09:50.160 and we see it with the Black Lives Matter movement.

00:09:52.560 I mean, this is sort of a reiteration

00:09:54.640 of something else or something else or something else.

00:09:57.400 Even in Canada, earlier this year,

00:09:59.180 you know, in January,

00:10:00.460 we had those big blockades

00:10:01.920 that were blocking all the railways.

00:10:04.140 And in February, you know,

00:10:05.320 and that was a big movement,

00:10:06.360 and then it sort of subsided.

00:10:08.160 So is it a new movement?

00:10:10.720 Yes, it is.

00:10:11.240 What is different this time?

00:10:12.220 Yes, it is.

00:10:13.620 A, the communication system which we have.

00:10:17.100 When you have an incident in one of the states

00:10:19.880 of a police officer doing what he did,

00:10:23.400 and three days later,

00:10:24.460 you'll have a Black Lives Matter movement

00:10:25.720 of 100,000 people in London, England,

00:10:27.680 and your mind can contain the connection.

00:10:32.100 But now an international connection

00:10:33.920 and electric connection means

00:10:36.820 that you can spread a movement

00:10:39.320 under the guise of a banner.

00:10:42.460 All you need is the phrase,

00:10:44.140 I don't know more,

00:10:45.000 Occupy Wall Street.

00:10:46.600 And coming from that,

00:10:48.520 there's no content.

00:10:50.360 I mean, if you look at the record,

00:10:51.920 I was thinking particularly of Chicago,

00:10:53.720 because I've been reading about it

00:10:54.700 for the last three months.

00:10:56.660 The number of young Black people

00:10:58.060 that are dying in Chicago

00:10:59.100 every single weekend

00:11:00.120 is almost at a war level.

00:11:03.400 And yet, that absorbs Canadian 0.98

00:11:06.300 or American news, hardly anything.

00:11:08.960 These movements begin with a spark

00:11:10.880 that is legitimate,

00:11:13.040 but then either outside forces

00:11:15.360 or those who are in the business

00:11:17.560 of politics as protest.

00:11:20.340 In my, I'm ancient.

00:11:22.100 I was, I made the linen for the mummies.

00:11:25.380 And when I went to a protest in the 60s,

00:11:28.000 it was because 6,000 people

00:11:30.280 got laid off on an Argentian naval base

00:11:33.220 and they were denied pensions.

00:11:35.800 I'll give you that example for a reason.

00:11:38.320 6,000 Newfoundlanders worked 35 years

00:11:40.840 and their pensions were disgraceful.

00:11:43.040 So what do we have?

00:11:44.340 We got the unemployed,

00:11:45.700 there was 500 or 600 at the time,

00:11:47.480 and we brought them

00:11:48.460 to the Confederation building.

00:11:49.900 We met with the Premier with a petition

00:11:51.300 and we said,

00:11:52.240 here's what we want, not demand.

00:11:54.700 These people have worked for 30 years

00:11:56.160 and they're being denied their pension.

00:11:57.720 In other words,

00:11:58.400 you see how specific it is,

00:12:00.440 how particularly targeted it is.

00:12:02.220 And we then didn't go around St. John's

00:12:04.660 throwing firecrackers at people's houses

00:12:06.800 and burning down police stations

00:12:08.500 and sending the word

00:12:10.200 to the rest of the world,

00:12:12.220 whatever turns you on tonight,

00:12:14.680 get out in the street, 0.98

00:12:15.640 beat someone up, 0.90

00:12:16.880 throw Molotov cocktails at the cops,

00:12:18.860 and deny the value of your own country.

00:12:22.200 This is far more than protest.

00:12:25.220 It's an emergence,

00:12:27.140 and I keep calling it emergence,

00:12:29.540 of a kind of politics

00:12:31.180 that had been off limits before.

00:12:34.760 We've seen tastes of it

00:12:36.640 in other countries and in other times,

00:12:38.360 and I'm not going to fill in the analogies

00:12:40.040 at this stage.

00:12:41.180 But when the civil authority allows

00:12:45.440 and to some point commends,

00:12:48.840 summer of love was the phrase

00:12:50.600 of the mayor in Seattle,

00:12:52.200 and strangers can come into your street

00:12:54.040 and take your house, 0.95

00:12:55.340 or they can burn down the police station

00:12:57.200 and nothing happens.

00:12:58.960 If you abide it,

00:13:01.520 if you oblige it,

00:13:03.560 if you tacitly consent to it,

00:13:05.340 and if you say that the dissolution

00:13:07.360 of civil order

00:13:09.040 in this particular case

00:13:10.800 is okay,

00:13:13.340 you are setting a vile contagion in progress.

00:13:16.260 It's not the virus

00:13:17.040 that is the most contagious thing.

00:13:19.320 Once you decay,

00:13:20.840 respect for civil order,

00:13:22.680 and you make that an instrument

00:13:24.460 of politics.

00:13:26.280 Some of the politics going on now

00:13:27.780 is to make people afraid

00:13:29.200 of doing certain things,

00:13:32.200 standing up for certain ideas,

00:13:33.720 or certain people.

00:13:35.520 And that gets into the metaphorical range

00:13:37.320 when you get into cancel culture.

00:13:39.440 Watch what happens on the streets,

00:13:41.140 and unless we restore

00:13:42.340 the security of the citizen of the state,

00:13:46.760 that he or she and their children

00:13:49.260 can in normal circumstances

00:13:51.440 walk about and be free

00:13:53.380 of hostility or violence.

00:13:55.400 This is the new thing.

00:13:57.100 Right, well, there's...

00:13:58.000 I'm talking too long, aren't I?

00:13:58.960 No, it's a really interesting point,

00:14:01.980 and I think it ties to something

00:14:03.240 that I was thinking about,

00:14:04.820 which was that when

00:14:05.580 the Black Lives Matter protests

00:14:07.060 first started happening,

00:14:08.040 the George Floyd protests,

00:14:09.080 we were still under strict lockdown.

00:14:11.200 And then all of a sudden,

00:14:12.820 you had health experts saying

00:14:14.180 it was okay to go out on the streets.

00:14:15.480 Yeah.

00:14:16.020 But Rex, like two weeks earlier,

00:14:18.040 there were anti-lockdown protests,

00:14:20.440 you know, here in Ontario,

00:14:21.520 Queens Park, and in other places,

00:14:23.180 and they were completely written off

00:14:25.320 as being rednecks 0.96

00:14:26.540 and all these, you know,

00:14:28.340 yahoos out there. 0.99

00:14:29.240 You're at the heart of another

00:14:31.740 major, major problem. 0.97

00:14:34.560 The vivid, the vivid hypocrisy

00:14:39.380 that divides circumstances.

00:14:41.560 If you do something for this reason,

00:14:44.200 it's okay,

00:14:45.220 even if it is a medical circumstance.

00:14:48.380 However, if you do it for this reason,

00:14:50.940 and it's a medical circumstance,

00:14:52.580 you are a yahoo,

00:14:53.860 you are a barbarian, 1.00

00:14:54.940 and you should be locked up 1.00

00:14:56.120 in the Himalayas

00:14:56.820 with the other guy.

00:14:58.540 That the authorities

00:14:59.740 in charge of us

00:15:01.220 can so blazingly

00:15:03.900 say, oh, by the way,

00:15:06.400 because it's a political protest

00:15:07.740 for a cause we do approve of.

00:15:10.500 Has to be one of those, by the way.

00:15:12.040 You wouldn't want

00:15:12.640 a thousand people protesting

00:15:13.900 a pipeline out in the streets

00:15:16.480 of Toronto

00:15:16.920 and getting a blessing.

00:15:18.280 It could be for Black Lives Matter.

00:15:19.780 It could be for some sexual movement.

00:15:21.200 There's a list of causes

00:15:22.140 for which you can gather

00:15:23.380 a hundred thousand people,

00:15:24.300 and there's no possibility

00:15:25.840 of contagion.

00:15:26.880 There's another list

00:15:27.660 that if you bring

00:15:28.400 ten people together

00:15:29.300 or they walk on a beach,

00:15:30.820 they're going to get sick. 0.97

00:15:32.120 The hypocrisy of these things 0.96

00:15:33.460 is noted at the level

00:15:34.760 that you never hear

00:15:36.000 on the political panels

00:15:37.600 or you never hear

00:15:38.700 in most of the newspapers.

00:15:40.400 Well, it seemed to be lost

00:15:41.900 on so many of the sort of

00:15:43.240 elite consensus makers.

00:15:44.680 Like even, you know,

00:15:45.620 MP Adam Vaughn

00:15:47.120 here in Toronto

00:15:47.740 said, you know,

00:15:48.520 the people are protesting

00:15:49.440 for their safety

00:15:50.380 because...

00:15:50.800 Right, but like,

00:15:52.840 they so believe

00:15:54.540 what they're saying

00:15:55.120 that they've created

00:15:55.980 this distinction.

00:15:56.480 and they use it as pretext.

00:15:58.400 They know that they can flout.

00:16:00.780 They can flout the orders

00:16:02.240 and they can turn on others

00:16:04.020 of a different persuasion

00:16:05.340 who would like to flout the orders,

00:16:07.440 but they will get condemned. 0.75

00:16:09.320 It is always the hypocrisy.

00:16:11.580 If I say something nice

00:16:13.100 and meanless

00:16:14.720 and have some arguments for it

00:16:16.360 about the country

00:16:17.660 or about the oil industry,

00:16:19.520 you have the complete capacity

00:16:21.060 to say something.

00:16:21.820 Well, I find something wrong

00:16:23.160 with the country

00:16:24.040 and something greedy

00:16:25.220 about the oil.

00:16:26.260 And the two of us

00:16:27.100 can go out

00:16:27.500 and have a plate

00:16:27.960 of French fries together.

00:16:29.180 But in this new world,

00:16:31.540 from my standing,

00:16:32.980 I'm a villain.

00:16:34.080 Right.

00:16:34.440 And you're Archangel

00:16:35.320 floating up to meet

00:16:36.860 before the throne of God.

00:16:37.920 If you have the right

00:16:38.700 political views.

00:16:39.220 If you're on that side

00:16:40.180 of the fence.

00:16:40.700 But I just,

00:16:41.600 I mean, to me,

00:16:42.640 I don't understand

00:16:43.880 how the public

00:16:44.520 can go along with something.

00:16:45.500 After months and months

00:16:46.440 and months of being told

00:16:47.200 you cannot go outside,

00:16:48.420 you can't be in groups,

00:16:49.460 you can't have a funeral

00:16:51.240 for a loved one

00:16:51.920 who's passed away,

00:16:52.700 you can't have a wedding,

00:16:54.040 you can't get married,

00:16:54.760 you can't visit people

00:16:55.940 in the hospital

00:16:56.480 who are sick. 0.75

00:16:57.320 All of these really,

00:16:58.300 really sort of

00:16:59.220 life-defining things

00:17:00.280 that we cannot do.

00:17:01.700 I mean,

00:17:02.280 to a lesser extent,

00:17:03.500 I have an 18-month-old son

00:17:05.160 and he couldn't even

00:17:06.300 interact and play

00:17:07.060 with other little kids.

00:17:08.360 And you think of

00:17:09.020 what the long-term

00:17:09.840 damage could be,

00:17:11.080 consequences,

00:17:11.860 like finally now

00:17:12.760 he's getting to go out

00:17:13.520 and see his cousins

00:17:14.160 and stuff.

00:17:14.720 But you can't imagine

00:17:16.260 what that kind of

00:17:17.440 psychological damage

00:17:18.340 might do.

00:17:18.740 In 18 months,

00:17:19.460 maybe not,

00:17:19.880 but if you're three,

00:17:20.660 four, five years old,

00:17:22.200 there's all kinds

00:17:22.940 of damage wrecks.

00:17:24.120 And then to all of a sudden

00:17:25.240 have these sort of

00:17:26.060 elites come out

00:17:26.700 and say,

00:17:27.500 well,

00:17:27.620 if you're protesting

00:17:28.280 this one thing,

00:17:29.540 you're exempt

00:17:30.120 and you're okay.

00:17:30.660 I don't understand

00:17:31.540 why there's not

00:17:31.940 more backlash.

00:17:32.520 Well,

00:17:32.820 I'm really glad,

00:17:34.740 and not being

00:17:35.420 rhetorical.

00:17:36.800 I'll give you

00:17:37.300 even one more.

00:17:37.980 Yours is pretty painful.

00:17:39.320 I wouldn't be particular.

00:17:41.020 I know a gentleman

00:17:42.200 who's been married

00:17:43.360 for 30 or 40 years

00:17:44.740 and who actually

00:17:46.520 loves his wife.

00:17:47.460 This is a rare thing

00:17:48.260 I understand

00:17:48.860 in modern days,

00:17:49.720 but he really does

00:17:50.800 and does at the present minute.

00:17:52.920 She had a series

00:17:54.020 of climactic illnesses

00:17:56.300 and I went,

00:17:57.360 but she had to be put

00:17:58.200 in a special place.

00:17:59.680 He spent six hours a day

00:18:01.720 with her.

00:18:02.300 from the time she went

00:18:03.600 into that special place,

00:18:04.880 he would leave

00:18:05.480 and he would sit

00:18:06.440 by her bedside

00:18:07.560 six hours a day

00:18:09.780 and COVID comes.

00:18:12.980 This man loves his wife.

00:18:14.640 She loves him.

00:18:15.860 And he's told

00:18:16.780 by the health authorities

00:18:18.140 he can no longer

00:18:19.540 sit by his wife.

00:18:21.280 Now,

00:18:21.900 you ask the question,

00:18:22.900 which is the question.

00:18:25.160 You ask two questions.

00:18:26.160 how could the elites

00:18:27.860 have such bottomless 0.72

00:18:30.280 shamelessness 1.00

00:18:31.120 and hypocrisy

00:18:32.400 as to say, 0.59

00:18:33.600 oh,

00:18:33.820 if it's for the cause,

00:18:35.940 which is metaphysical

00:18:37.000 as opposed to medical,

00:18:38.680 then all the rules

00:18:40.160 of life and death

00:18:41.200 no longer apply

00:18:42.380 because that's

00:18:43.520 for global warming.

00:18:44.420 I'm going to make

00:18:45.000 an easier one.

00:18:45.820 Okay?

00:18:46.880 But if you want to see

00:18:48.040 your dying wife,

00:18:50.340 well,

00:18:50.600 you know,

00:18:50.940 you're a barbarian 0.95

00:18:52.180 willing to spread 1.00

00:18:52.860 the death plague

00:18:53.580 to the rest of the world.

00:18:55.020 And you ask,

00:18:55.700 the other thing was,

00:18:56.860 why do people,

00:18:59.240 at a level of discourse

00:19:01.080 that a lot of people

00:19:02.180 don't deal,

00:19:03.440 you drop out

00:19:04.080 of the television world

00:19:05.400 or the world of panels

00:19:08.360 or conferences

00:19:09.420 and you sit around

00:19:11.100 in other places

00:19:11.920 and these are what I call

00:19:13.140 the good people

00:19:14.100 of this world.

00:19:14.780 They know this.

00:19:16.740 They laugh at it.

00:19:17.880 They scorn it.

00:19:18.940 But in some cases,

00:19:20.460 they're immensely ticked.

00:19:22.820 And when,

00:19:23.200 for example,

00:19:23.660 I'm going to tie

00:19:24.320 things together here,

00:19:25.560 when they see

00:19:26.220 a WE scandal

00:19:27.060 and $900 million

00:19:28.760 being passed over

00:19:30.040 for distribution

00:19:30.780 with a $50 million fee

00:19:32.780 and they haven't got enough 1.00

00:19:34.340 to repair the goddamn muffler 0.99

00:19:35.940 and they paid taxes last year, 1.00

00:19:38.760 however little

00:19:39.400 they had to work

00:19:40.060 to pay them.

00:19:41.200 This is being seen.

00:19:42.900 I don't think it relates

00:19:43.880 to the violence

00:19:44.540 that we see in the States

00:19:45.460 because that's political,

00:19:46.880 but it does relate

00:19:47.840 to the faith

00:19:48.840 of a certain element

00:19:49.900 of the Canadian citizenry

00:19:51.320 who are its backbone,

00:19:53.540 the truck driver

00:19:54.260 and the person

00:19:55.320 at the grocery store

00:19:56.300 are looking up.

00:19:57.740 Why is that woman 1.00

00:19:58.680 at the grosseteria store

00:20:00.000 not allowed to take a tip,

00:20:01.280 by the way,

00:20:01.640 tried a few times,

00:20:02.720 why isn't there

00:20:04.600 some sort of signal

00:20:05.620 that this was really

00:20:07.020 special work

00:20:07.900 and you went there

00:20:09.600 from the very,

00:20:10.180 very beginning

00:20:10.700 and the truck driver,

00:20:11.540 yet we can have,

00:20:13.060 if we get to the higher classes,

00:20:14.600 teachers,

00:20:15.400 full salary

00:20:16.400 and we have this huge debate.

00:20:18.980 There is a division

00:20:19.760 in this country.

00:20:20.540 It isn't racial.

00:20:22.560 It is how the ones

00:20:23.760 that are very comfortable

00:20:24.740 and very secure

00:20:25.900 operate on a set of rules

00:20:28.200 that works for them

00:20:29.800 and has exceptions

00:20:30.940 built in for them

00:20:31.900 when they want to pick them.

00:20:33.540 But for you,

00:20:34.340 I forget the guy

00:20:35.120 who was walking his dog

00:20:36.340 about six weeks ago

00:20:37.740 and got an $800 fine.

00:20:40.320 Right.

00:20:40.900 But if he'd been running around

00:20:42.000 with three or four big signs

00:20:43.260 and trying to burn down

00:20:44.080 a building,

00:20:45.020 he'd probably give him

00:20:45.700 the governor general's middle.

00:20:46.860 Well, or if he was

00:20:48.100 the mayor of Brampton

00:20:49.320 who was just

00:20:49.880 at the hockey rink playing

00:20:51.680 and he didn't have

00:20:52.560 a mask on or anything.

00:20:53.040 I'd ask you a question on that.

00:20:54.500 How is it that someone

00:20:55.500 who was once a leader

00:20:56.380 of a party

00:20:57.040 and who then becomes

00:20:58.520 a mayor,

00:21:01.580 how can you be 1.00

00:21:02.800 so zealously stupid 1.00

00:21:04.580 as to pull off that? 1.00

00:21:06.640 You've got to work at that.

00:21:08.540 It sort of represents

00:21:09.780 the attitude

00:21:10.460 and what I see

00:21:11.520 what I see really,

00:21:13.540 Rex,

00:21:13.800 is a separation

00:21:14.620 between the sort of

00:21:15.780 elite opinion

00:21:16.500 and the opinion

00:21:17.620 of everyone else

00:21:18.560 and I think that's

00:21:19.240 what's dividing

00:21:20.120 The separation

00:21:20.760 of elite life

00:21:21.760 for others.

00:21:23.140 When I see

00:21:23.840 I drive a lot of cabs

00:21:25.760 because they didn't have

00:21:26.240 a car for a long while.

00:21:27.120 When I see a cab driver

00:21:28.260 here from Somalia

00:21:29.260 or whatever the hell

00:21:30.100 they're from, 0.99

00:21:31.220 the cabs are dirty,

00:21:32.400 they're sweaty.

00:21:33.200 He's on 12 hours,

00:21:34.160 14 hours, 1.00

00:21:34.840 a goddamn day 1.00

00:21:35.760 and he loses 1.00

00:21:37.320 the value

00:21:37.980 of his license

00:21:38.780 and then they bring

00:21:40.120 in a carbon tax

00:21:41.860 or something

00:21:42.280 or they bring in,

00:21:43.320 they kill his whole future 0.99

00:21:46.320 or I see the women

00:21:47.820 that work in the hotels.

00:21:49.040 I end up with a lot of them.

00:21:50.540 They're all,

00:21:50.920 all that I see

00:21:52.000 come from the Philippines.

00:21:54.600 They're sending money home.

00:21:56.800 Does that world

00:21:57.500 ever show up

00:21:58.180 on these panel shows?

00:21:59.660 Does the farmer

00:22:00.340 who had to pay

00:22:01.180 the extra carbon tax 1.00

00:22:02.220 to dry his damn wheat 1.00

00:22:03.360 and his wife 1.00

00:22:03.940 and his wife

00:22:03.960 is working

00:22:04.360 in a pharmacy

00:22:05.720 in town

00:22:06.180 to support the farm?

00:22:07.640 Do you think

00:22:08.080 that these people

00:22:08.820 are going to be discussed

00:22:10.400 on the 5 o'clock shows?

00:22:11.960 We're in two worlds

00:22:12.960 and that world up here

00:22:15.040 that's comfortable,

00:22:16.000 they can get

00:22:16.540 their $48,000 contracts

00:22:18.300 and still sit 1.00

00:22:18.840 on the damn panel. 1.00

00:22:20.360 $48,000 or $41,000 1.00

00:22:22.040 or whatever it was

00:22:22.720 is a gold mine

00:22:24.100 for the people watching.

00:22:25.220 Right.

00:22:25.860 Well, Rex,

00:22:26.500 I mean,

00:22:26.640 you understand Canada

00:22:27.820 and the country

00:22:28.460 probably better

00:22:29.220 than anyone.

00:22:29.840 You had a long,

00:22:30.520 long time radio show

00:22:32.020 on CBC and then

00:22:33.240 CBC National.

00:22:33.920 We all have a voice

00:22:34.660 in our life.

00:22:36.300 Well,

00:22:36.820 I'm curious about that

00:22:38.180 because,

00:22:39.040 you know,

00:22:39.560 you were sort of

00:22:40.940 a pathway,

00:22:42.040 a bridge between

00:22:43.100 the people.

00:22:44.360 They would call

00:22:44.780 into your show,

00:22:45.440 they would tell you

00:22:46.040 you're sympathetic

00:22:47.820 or empathetic

00:22:48.580 to situations

00:22:50.180 of people

00:22:50.560 all over the country

00:22:51.500 and, I mean,

00:22:52.640 you're not at the CBC anymore.

00:22:54.280 I want to know

00:22:55.120 what you think.

00:22:56.340 Do you think

00:22:56.620 the CBC has changed?

00:22:59.360 It's got worse.

00:22:59.480 Do you think

00:22:59.680 that they're part

00:23:00.180 of the reason

00:23:01.100 why the elite consensus

00:23:02.820 is so separate from...

00:23:04.040 I didn't criticize

00:23:06.340 what I'm in.

00:23:07.440 I call it manners,

00:23:08.620 believe it or not.

00:23:09.800 I managed,

00:23:10.700 I had a thought

00:23:11.360 that it's better

00:23:12.360 to get something out

00:23:13.160 than nothing.

00:23:14.820 I did the dominant

00:23:15.760 philosophies

00:23:16.340 at the CBC

00:23:16.900 at the time.

00:23:18.380 I didn't like

00:23:19.160 and I know this much.

00:23:21.100 I only emerged

00:23:22.280 insofar as I can claim

00:23:23.920 to have emerged

00:23:24.480 because I got a beginning

00:23:25.480 in Newfoundland

00:23:26.260 and in Newfoundland,

00:23:27.900 thank God,

00:23:28.780 back then,

00:23:29.760 we were less,

00:23:31.100 civilized.

00:23:32.180 We could get away

00:23:33.080 with more

00:23:33.560 than the stuff

00:23:34.620 that I was getting away

00:23:35.480 with on Newfoundland television

00:23:36.560 would never have made

00:23:38.720 a minute

00:23:39.100 on Canadian television

00:23:40.480 and I went

00:23:41.620 into the whole tale

00:23:42.380 but when I finally

00:23:43.640 worked my way

00:23:45.580 through the system,

00:23:46.360 if you can put it that way,

00:23:47.160 or gotten lucky,

00:23:47.780 probably lucky is better,

00:23:49.440 I thought that,

00:23:50.180 you know,

00:23:50.400 in terms of commentary,

00:23:52.200 at five minutes a week,

00:23:53.480 even if it wasn't

00:23:54.240 everything I wanted

00:23:55.300 to get out

00:23:55.940 or occasionally,

00:23:57.620 because this is very important,

00:23:58.420 if I could make a connection.

00:24:00.160 I remember

00:24:00.420 we were talking

00:24:00.940 about the Philippine women.

00:24:02.460 There was one commentary

00:24:03.180 I still remember

00:24:03.940 was a Filipino woman

00:24:05.300 in, I think, Edmonton

00:24:07.100 and she'd been spotted

00:24:08.820 by one of her employees

00:24:10.380 that she was working

00:24:11.860 two jobs

00:24:12.880 so they wanted

00:24:14.160 to send her back 0.70

00:24:14.920 to the Philippines

00:24:15.760 because she was

00:24:16.840 working too much

00:24:17.900 and I remember

00:24:19.800 it very well.

00:24:20.760 I went on that night

00:24:21.840 and I said,

00:24:22.500 we have a need

00:24:23.780 of new immigration laws.

00:24:25.380 We've got to put a block 0.69

00:24:26.640 on Filipino women 0.98

00:24:27.720 who really want

00:24:28.780 to do some work.

00:24:29.620 Working too hard.

00:24:30.560 So that's a cameo

00:24:32.260 that just came to me

00:24:33.060 and forgive me

00:24:33.620 but that was one

00:24:34.760 of the reasons

00:24:35.180 why I held on

00:24:36.020 because every now

00:24:36.680 and then

00:24:37.080 you would have

00:24:38.480 one moment to shine

00:24:39.700 that very particular.

00:24:41.820 The other reason was

00:24:42.860 I thought that

00:24:43.760 CBC was not connecting

00:24:45.340 with at least

00:24:46.520 60% of its own audience

00:24:48.040 and that they needed

00:24:48.760 at least a filament,

00:24:51.920 the thinnest possible line

00:24:53.700 to some other

00:24:55.200 point of view

00:24:55.940 and so I took that over

00:24:58.560 and on checkup

00:24:59.340 I only had one philosophy.

00:25:01.780 I wasn't the guest.

00:25:03.700 I was the filter.

00:25:05.520 If you got on

00:25:06.440 I wanted to treat you well

00:25:08.100 I'm not going to guide you

00:25:09.760 because I'm not better

00:25:10.460 than you.

00:25:11.500 Say what you want to say.

00:25:13.300 You can be nice.

00:25:14.180 You can be dull.

00:25:15.500 I made that a point.

00:25:16.780 I didn't care.

00:25:17.680 You got on

00:25:18.180 and you were eight minutes

00:25:18.860 and you were dull. 0.50

00:25:19.500 That's you. 0.98

00:25:21.060 Let's hear it.

00:25:22.040 Okay.

00:25:22.280 And it was a politest

00:25:23.940 to use a showy word

00:25:26.000 that more than anything else

00:25:27.640 didn't liven that program.

00:25:29.060 Canadians liked it

00:25:29.880 because it was not interesting

00:25:31.600 in a dead sense

00:25:33.120 but it gave you over time

00:25:35.400 a reflection of the temperament

00:25:37.620 of the majority of the people.

00:25:40.280 Majority.

00:25:40.940 It wasn't the leaders.

00:25:42.220 Right.

00:25:42.280 I used to love talking

00:25:43.360 to some of the truckers

00:25:44.680 that end up down in the States

00:25:45.820 they'd pull over to the side

00:25:46.920 and we'd be talking about

00:25:48.100 you know Chinese immigration

00:25:49.660 and we'd end up talking

00:25:50.980 about the price

00:25:51.660 of the hamburger on the road.

00:25:53.040 Right.

00:25:53.380 That's the stuff that worked.

00:25:54.620 Well that is interesting

00:25:55.720 because it's the kind of thing

00:25:56.580 you wouldn't really hear about

00:25:58.260 otherwise.

00:25:58.620 It's life.

00:25:59.300 But I feel like

00:26:00.240 that kind of programming

00:26:01.000 doesn't really exist

00:26:01.840 on the CDC.

00:26:02.420 It's all cost programming

00:26:03.480 attitude programming.

00:26:04.660 Well and it probably

00:26:05.600 wouldn't be able to.

00:26:06.780 I remember a couple months ago

00:26:08.440 maybe it was a year ago now

00:26:09.320 a fellow that was a radio host

00:26:11.140 out in Vancouver

00:26:11.640 got fired

00:26:12.340 because he was making

00:26:13.980 sort of racial stereotypes

00:26:15.200 saying I think something

00:26:16.680 similarly you know

00:26:18.340 along the lines

00:26:18.760 of what you were just saying

00:26:19.520 about how Filipinos

00:26:20.360 work really hard

00:26:21.140 and other cultures

00:26:21.800 don't work as hard.

00:26:22.640 I know him.

00:26:23.440 He made some comment

00:26:24.640 about cultures

00:26:25.480 and that was considered

00:26:26.900 politically incorrect.

00:26:28.020 If you're in a world

00:26:28.240 where you cannot make

00:26:29.360 a positive reference

00:26:31.680 to a group that you know

00:26:33.200 I know many many people

00:26:34.780 from many many cultures

00:26:36.100 and I've also determined

00:26:38.720 that in the case

00:26:39.460 of the poor women

00:26:40.320 and it is almost exclusively

00:26:42.180 across the entire country

00:26:44.080 and usually in the better hotels.

00:26:46.500 I keep saying you know

00:26:47.400 the big people

00:26:48.520 go to the rich restaurants

00:26:49.680 and they'll drop

00:26:50.280 a $50 tippa-nope

00:26:51.340 the one up there

00:26:52.780 who's been cleaning up

00:26:53.620 last night's spew party

00:26:55.380 is lucky to be getting

00:26:57.140 minimum wage.

00:26:58.180 I always feel

00:26:59.060 pay some attention

00:27:00.900 to ordinary people.

00:27:02.080 For sure.

00:27:02.460 Well so even in my neighborhood

00:27:03.800 like I mentioned

00:27:04.660 I have an 18 month old son

00:27:05.880 and I stay home with him

00:27:08.020 I also get some help

00:27:09.000 from my mom

00:27:09.660 from his grandma

00:27:10.380 and we go around

00:27:12.220 the park in my neighborhood

00:27:13.140 and it's almost all

00:27:14.520 Filipino women

00:27:15.840 with the little kids

00:27:17.100 because they are all

00:27:17.800 everyone in the neighborhood

00:27:19.140 has a Filipino nanny

00:27:20.160 and that's just

00:27:20.760 sort of how it is

00:27:22.020 in Toronto

00:27:22.480 and it's really

00:27:24.640 kind of interesting

00:27:25.660 to sort of

00:27:26.780 interesting and it's awkward

00:27:28.420 but there's so much

00:27:30.820 you know

00:27:31.120 the other points

00:27:32.360 that we have here

00:27:34.120 you know

00:27:34.360 all this COVID stuff

00:27:36.200 and the interruption

00:27:37.460 of the school

00:27:38.040 it reminds me of

00:27:39.940 the other great element

00:27:41.620 greater than news media

00:27:43.700 is the kind of

00:27:45.260 educational decline

00:27:46.660 I'm not

00:27:47.260 you know

00:27:47.880 I'm not a specialist

00:27:49.280 or anything

00:27:49.860 but the absence

00:27:51.520 of rigor

00:27:52.020 in the teaching

00:27:53.120 of how to think

00:27:54.860 how the mind operates

00:27:56.920 how to accumulate

00:27:57.600 information

00:27:58.180 how to discriminate

00:27:59.020 between particular instances

00:28:01.300 how to refine

00:28:02.760 an argument

00:28:03.400 how to understand

00:28:04.840 where to get

00:28:05.560 the information

00:28:06.440 from in the first place

00:28:07.620 how to conduct

00:28:09.760 an analysis

00:28:11.180 within your own mind

00:28:12.340 of your own mind

00:28:13.460 and introduction

00:28:15.700 to the proven

00:28:17.500 great thoughts

00:28:18.880 that have been established

00:28:20.880 over 3 or 4 thousand years

00:28:22.740 I cannot imagine

00:28:24.640 if I live near Everest

00:28:25.960 not once looking up

00:28:27.140 and the same is true

00:28:29.460 if you have

00:28:29.940 30, 40, 50 years

00:28:31.220 on this earth

00:28:31.920 and you don't taste

00:28:33.360 Beethoven

00:28:33.820 or Michelangelo

00:28:34.880 or Shakespeare

00:28:35.520 if you ignore

00:28:37.080 everything that is awesome

00:28:38.520 that has been constructed

00:28:40.180 by the human spirit

00:28:41.160 you haven't tasted life

00:28:42.880 and you lack judgment

00:28:44.380 and so many 1.00

00:28:45.940 of these ridiculous people 0.99

00:28:47.040 running around 1.00

00:28:47.600 on the street

00:28:48.220 I saw one interview

00:28:50.120 interviewed with the one

00:28:52.080 who wanted to haul down

00:28:52.740 the statue of Winston Churchill

00:28:53.940 she thought he was still alive

00:28:55.700 you had to be

00:28:57.380 pretty empty headed

00:28:58.600 in Britain of 2020

00:29:02.060 not to know that

00:29:03.380 Churchill is dead

00:29:04.300 we've scooped your heads out

00:29:06.900 but that's sort of

00:29:08.100 the thing is like

00:29:09.480 a lot of the movement

00:29:10.600 is driven by

00:29:11.440 sort of ignorance

00:29:12.380 but also arrogance

00:29:13.200 the idea that

00:29:13.840 we know better

00:29:14.480 than everyone else

00:29:15.640 we know better than anyone around us 0.75

00:29:17.020 are the twin of the ignorance

00:29:18.260 and nothing fuels arrogance more

00:29:20.920 than knowing nothing

00:29:22.280 to begin with

00:29:23.240 except the one little sweet idea

00:29:25.360 that you think

00:29:26.580 makes you special

00:29:27.580 and the idea

00:29:28.700 that your idea

00:29:29.700 overrules mine

00:29:31.200 just on your say so

00:29:33.520 is one of the most despicable

00:29:35.260 features of our time

00:29:36.480 you can

00:29:37.560 I can say this about you

00:29:39.000 but you can't say anything

00:29:40.560 about me

00:29:41.220 and if we do

00:29:42.020 we'll chase you out of your job 0.82

00:29:43.420 or we'll put you

00:29:44.780 off the screen

00:29:45.760 or you won't be allowed

00:29:47.020 to teach next year

00:29:47.960 global warming

00:29:48.640 is a really great example

00:29:49.640 right

00:29:50.140 I can't imagine

00:29:51.100 that an argument

00:29:51.760 about the weather

00:29:52.580 because that's what

00:29:53.580 it's about

00:29:54.120 not the soul

00:29:55.360 not the sexuality

00:29:56.380 of some person

00:29:57.360 not some deep religion 1.00

00:29:58.660 it's the goddamn weather 1.00

00:30:00.140 and if you say 1.00

00:30:01.640 I don't believe it

00:30:02.720 it's not even the weather

00:30:04.200 it's like a theoretical idea

00:30:06.340 of what the weather

00:30:06.920 might be like

00:30:07.620 a hundred years ago

00:30:08.320 based on models

00:30:09.200 based on bad models

00:30:11.160 and bad math

00:30:12.120 and the conjunction

00:30:13.080 of huge amounts

00:30:14.840 of money and forces

00:30:15.780 trying to push

00:30:16.800 a particular agenda

00:30:17.880 of which global warming

00:30:19.280 is merely the instrument

00:30:20.940 well so I want to get back

00:30:22.500 to the CBC

00:30:23.120 and sort of how

00:30:24.000 it all fits together

00:30:25.380 because

00:30:25.900 you know

00:30:27.100 you were at the CBC

00:30:27.760 for a long time

00:30:28.380 you understand that institution

00:30:29.580 better than most

00:30:30.560 because you've been

00:30:31.480 on both sides

00:30:32.080 because I've suffered

00:30:32.460 you've suffered

00:30:33.780 well you provided a service

00:30:35.320 for the country

00:30:35.880 for many years

00:30:36.520 and then that service ended

00:30:38.220 but you know

00:30:39.340 we see the CBC

00:30:40.260 in Canada

00:30:41.120 as sort of one of the leaders

00:30:42.260 of this concept

00:30:43.520 of or of saying

00:30:45.040 you know

00:30:45.300 these are the things

00:30:46.600 that we believe in

00:30:47.420 and if you don't believe

00:30:48.540 these exact things

00:30:49.380 you don't even get a seat

00:30:50.640 at the table anymore

00:30:51.400 you don't get to be

00:30:52.360 part of the conversation

00:30:53.220 and we saw that

00:30:54.460 with global warming

00:30:55.380 that you know

00:30:56.220 if you didn't have

00:30:56.900 the exact right opinions

00:30:58.020 you were a denier

00:30:59.760 right

00:31:00.120 you weren't even

00:31:01.640 you know

00:31:02.220 but it's expanded

00:31:03.400 in the same way

00:31:03.980 as we saw

00:31:04.540 with you know

00:31:06.160 the ability to say

00:31:08.160 things after

00:31:09.560 the George Floyd riots

00:31:11.160 you know

00:31:11.560 you had Stockwell Day

00:31:13.440 getting kicked off

00:31:14.200 of his panel there

00:31:14.920 because he held

00:31:15.600 the wrong opinion

00:31:16.640 which was to say

00:31:17.600 that his bad eyes

00:31:19.320 in high school

00:31:20.140 had him suffer

00:31:21.920 some humiliation

00:31:22.840 and that to make

00:31:23.960 a comparison of that

00:31:25.060 to having humiliation

00:31:26.260 because of race

00:31:27.060 was some crime

00:31:28.200 it may have been

00:31:29.020 a bad analogy

00:31:29.820 but there's nothing

00:31:30.860 wrong with him

00:31:31.320 by the way

00:31:31.700 I'm glad you brought

00:31:32.720 that up

00:31:33.220 one thing that was

00:31:34.320 missing from the

00:31:34.860 Stockwell Day story

00:31:35.760 was the host

00:31:37.200 of the program

00:31:38.020 even if she

00:31:39.380 agreed with the 0.82

00:31:40.560 silly decision 0.94

00:31:41.240 to knock him out 0.97

00:31:41.980 to at least come on

00:31:43.600 the next day

00:31:44.240 and say he's been

00:31:44.920 a decent

00:31:45.920 and a worthwhile guest

00:31:47.220 and a fine human being

00:31:48.940 on this show

00:31:49.580 we're sorry he tripped

00:31:50.960 and in the meantime

00:31:52.760 we got Alvaro

00:31:53.740 in a much different

00:31:54.840 situation

00:31:55.360 courtesy is the

00:31:57.160 beginning of a lot

00:31:57.980 of civic virtue

00:31:58.700 they should have said

00:32:00.000 thank you Stockwell

00:32:01.020 well and at least

00:32:02.500 acknowledge that

00:32:03.440 there are other

00:32:04.560 opinions

00:32:04.880 yeah there are

00:32:05.500 other opinions

00:32:05.980 and that's sort of

00:32:07.280 the funny thing

00:32:07.800 because I get accused

00:32:08.880 of it sometimes

00:32:09.300 I know you haven't

00:32:10.120 hopefully we'll get

00:32:10.840 into what happened

00:32:11.540 with you at the

00:32:11.940 National Post

00:32:12.500 but I'll get called

00:32:15.180 right wing

00:32:16.220 or far right

00:32:17.060 or something like that

00:32:17.680 yeah of course you will

00:32:17.820 and it's like

00:32:18.480 okay in the actual

00:32:20.360 country there's a

00:32:21.500 really wide range

00:32:22.560 of views there's a

00:32:23.420 wide wide range

00:32:24.120 of opinions

00:32:24.540 I know

00:32:24.900 people in the media

00:32:25.640 hold a very narrow

00:32:26.680 subset of those views

00:32:27.960 and so what the media

00:32:29.840 might consider

00:32:30.580 you know far right

00:32:31.960 it's because they all

00:32:33.160 sit on one very

00:32:34.020 small perch

00:32:34.740 sort of center left

00:32:36.040 ideology where they

00:32:37.580 basically all hold

00:32:38.280 the exact same

00:32:38.820 opinion

00:32:38.920 they're in the same

00:32:39.460 closet

00:32:39.800 and if you deviate

00:32:40.840 even ever so slightly

00:32:41.920 then you're offside

00:32:43.380 and therefore you can't

00:32:44.280 be part of the conversation

00:32:45.380 you're pushed out

00:32:46.020 and it's like you know

00:32:46.740 how can we combat that

00:32:48.200 or how can we carry on

00:32:49.620 together in a society

00:32:50.700 if we have no

00:32:51.800 we have no

00:32:52.900 well first of all

00:32:53.740 well first of all

00:32:55.220 you and you've already

00:32:56.400 done it in your case

00:32:57.340 you recognize that

00:32:58.700 such institutions

00:32:59.480 as CBC and CDB

00:33:01.140 and global

00:33:01.680 implicitly or explicitly

00:33:03.840 they don't set the

00:33:05.780 agenda

00:33:06.080 you say no

00:33:06.940 and if you know

00:33:08.800 a buddy comes on

00:33:09.600 and says we're going

00:33:10.560 to have icebergs

00:33:11.500 floating down

00:33:13.320 the great northern

00:33:14.000 peninsula in six months

00:33:15.060 you get up

00:33:15.460 and you say

00:33:15.740 you're out of your head

00:33:16.560 the other thing

00:33:18.300 is you do

00:33:18.820 and I'm not flattering

00:33:19.520 you

00:33:19.760 you do what you're doing

00:33:21.260 you give opinion

00:33:22.820 and by the way

00:33:23.620 if someone called you

00:33:24.420 a racist

00:33:25.000 or called you

00:33:26.060 a female 0.98

00:33:27.040 they called you 1.00

00:33:27.780 ugly and a slut 1.00

00:33:28.560 all those nasty names 1.00

00:33:29.580 that they do come up with

00:33:30.600 resent it

00:33:32.200 I can't swear on this one

00:33:34.180 F off

00:33:35.440 but keep doing it

00:33:37.360 what paralyzes me

00:33:39.840 is we make a great deal

00:33:41.760 of remembrance day

00:33:42.940 in this country

00:33:43.540 and we always underline

00:33:45.620 that these brave boys

00:33:46.980 because they were mainly

00:33:48.820 of both wars fought

00:33:50.720 so that we would have

00:33:52.320 one thing

00:33:53.020 either democracy

00:33:54.500 or the elements of it

00:33:55.560 the freedom to speak

00:33:56.420 the freedom to think

00:33:57.220 and if they could go

00:33:59.680 through the trenches

00:34:00.440 and go through

00:34:02.000 the panzer war

00:34:03.600 of the second

00:34:04.240 so that we could stand up

00:34:06.600 without fear

00:34:07.340 of being tossed

00:34:08.400 into a gulag

00:34:09.240 to say no to something

00:34:10.440 why are we so timid

00:34:13.720 resisting another person's

00:34:16.620 opinion now

00:34:17.320 because someone

00:34:18.160 might call us a name

00:34:19.400 I just don't understand it

00:34:22.480 I really don't

00:34:24.040 and when people tell me

00:34:25.120 you know

00:34:25.380 I'm in there

00:34:25.940 if I said that

00:34:27.880 you know

00:34:28.240 I might lose my job

00:34:29.720 lose your job

00:34:31.560 lose it

00:34:33.480 you're making an awful bargain

00:34:35.280 now by the way

00:34:37.180 they might inflame

00:34:38.340 or exaggerate

00:34:39.320 the degree of consequence

00:34:40.780 to cover

00:34:41.400 an inherent cowardice

00:34:43.420 but I'm no stronger

00:34:45.840 than you

00:34:46.380 you're no stronger

00:34:47.420 than I

00:34:47.900 this little discussion thing

00:34:49.120 and if I say something now

00:34:51.100 that you either

00:34:52.640 don't like

00:34:53.320 or disagree with

00:34:54.920 you would say to me

00:34:55.760 you're out of your mind

00:34:57.380 and we will continue 0.72

00:34:58.920 to talk

00:34:59.460 and I will not think

00:35:00.600 less of you

00:35:01.120 not even you're out of your mind

00:35:02.220 just you know

00:35:02.980 respectfully

00:35:03.540 and we can

00:35:05.480 talk about it

00:35:06.460 but that's the whole idea

00:35:08.080 is that you should be able

00:35:09.300 to talk about

00:35:10.180 areas where you disagree with

00:35:12.060 we're built that way

00:35:12.220 yes

00:35:12.620 but this new commandant

00:35:14.440 the liberal

00:35:15.720 what we call them

00:35:17.800 virtue merchants

00:35:18.940 they have a soft totalitarian

00:35:21.760 this is what you think

00:35:23.440 and when you see

00:35:24.580 I've seen this

00:35:25.640 on many of the videos

00:35:26.980 down in Portland

00:35:28.260 where you see

00:35:29.360 this almost flower white woman 0.99

00:35:32.660 talking to this black officer 0.95

00:35:35.440 and telling the black officer 0.99

00:35:37.340 he's not black 0.87

00:35:38.200 I mean

00:35:38.980 that's the other thing

00:35:40.040 I'm glad you mentioned this

00:35:41.040 we have also come to the point

00:35:43.140 we are now allowing

00:35:45.160 the utterance

00:35:46.040 of true lunacies

00:35:47.740 to pass with respectful silence

00:35:51.120 you must have seen

00:35:52.440 in the last couple of days

00:35:53.340 the article justifying

00:35:54.820 that two plus two

00:35:55.720 is not four

00:35:56.560 it can be five

00:35:58.040 and instead of taking

00:35:59.520 whoever wrote

00:36:00.240 the little thing

00:36:00.860 and dropping them

00:36:01.500 in a pail of pitch

00:36:02.540 you may examine

00:36:04.420 that argument please

00:36:05.340 we have the case

00:36:07.020 of J.K. Rowling

00:36:08.000 who I think

00:36:09.300 since the days of Eve

00:36:10.420 has got some evidence

00:36:11.420 on her side

00:36:12.220 that man is a man

00:36:13.320 and a woman is a woman 0.99

00:36:14.280 and if she says that

00:36:17.080 even if she were wrong

00:36:19.500 but if she says that

00:36:20.860 ancient concept

00:36:22.360 and she's pilloried 1.00

00:36:24.040 by the mad women 0.99

00:36:25.040 who called people 0.99

00:36:26.420 TERFs 0.99

00:36:26.940 or some damn thing 0.99

00:36:27.720 right 0.99

00:36:28.100 I mean it's crazy

00:36:29.080 what role do you think

00:36:30.180 the media plays

00:36:31.000 in all this

00:36:31.360 because one of the things

00:36:32.220 I kept noticing

00:36:32.900 I just I feel like

00:36:34.200 we're being gaslit

00:36:35.100 and that's a reference

00:36:36.120 to a movie from the

00:36:37.560 I know

00:36:37.940 okay so the idea

00:36:39.220 is that you know

00:36:40.000 you see something

00:36:41.160 and that you keep being told

00:36:42.760 that what you're seeing

00:36:43.400 is not real

00:36:44.020 to drive you crazy

00:36:44.960 but you know

00:36:45.780 they call them

00:36:46.340 peaceful protests

00:36:47.280 and the headline

00:36:48.640 will be peaceful protests

00:36:49.640 and then in the body

00:36:50.340 of the story

00:36:51.220 you'll find out

00:36:51.740 that there's been

00:36:52.300 hundreds of people

00:36:53.060 arrested

00:36:53.380 and people shot

00:36:54.800 today or yesterday

00:36:55.680 and it happened

00:36:56.600 over and over

00:36:57.480 and over again

00:36:58.020 I had four examples

00:36:59.020 in I think

00:36:59.540 it was my most recent column

00:37:00.600 that you know

00:37:02.040 you got hundred

00:37:02.520 you got 28 people

00:37:03.540 shot in a peaceful protest

00:37:04.980 or the other one was

00:37:06.240 peaceful protest

00:37:07.580 intensified

00:37:08.540 you know

00:37:09.640 there's people dying

00:37:10.780 on the street

00:37:11.260 and there's arms

00:37:11.760 being scattered

00:37:12.300 the media

00:37:14.900 have become

00:37:16.560 part of the game

00:37:17.560 I don't want to start

00:37:19.620 on American media

00:37:20.480 and I'm not talking

00:37:21.180 about Fox

00:37:21.880 the American media

00:37:24.400 since especially

00:37:25.240 the Hillary election

00:37:26.160 have decided

00:37:27.460 they're no longer

00:37:28.120 observers

00:37:28.600 they're participants

00:37:29.300 they are agents

00:37:31.020 of change

00:37:31.800 they have doctrines

00:37:33.500 like a church

00:37:34.200 has doctrines

00:37:35.000 they have ambitions

00:37:37.140 they have stated

00:37:38.600 political goals

00:37:39.600 well the Toronto Star

00:37:40.540 has always had that

00:37:41.520 the Toronto Star

00:37:42.360 is a marshland

00:37:44.100 of much liberal opinion

00:37:47.180 and always has been

00:37:48.540 but it offers

00:37:50.740 some sort of

00:37:52.200 metaphorical comfort

00:37:53.280 but down in the states

00:37:55.040 this is active

00:37:55.880 the hatred of Trump

00:37:59.420 is a passport

00:38:01.760 to every possible

00:38:03.380 kind

00:38:03.920 of reprehensible

00:38:05.840 reportage

00:38:06.540 you can say anything

00:38:08.040 bend any rule

00:38:09.120 make up anything

00:38:10.000 you have three years

00:38:11.240 of an insane

00:38:13.020 collusion

00:38:13.780 that he was an agent

00:38:15.820 of Vladimir Putin

00:38:17.080 and we ran that up here

00:38:19.380 too by the way

00:38:20.180 as he was

00:38:20.960 you know

00:38:21.420 putting the harshest sanctions

00:38:23.300 never mind the contradictions

00:38:25.700 you could not

00:38:27.040 write this story

00:38:28.080 and yet

00:38:28.480 on CBC

00:38:29.280 CBV

00:38:29.980 up here

00:38:30.860 any new break

00:38:32.540 oh it's cut

00:38:33.140 now the walls

00:38:33.740 are closing in

00:38:34.500 and when it blew up

00:38:35.920 and it has blown up

00:38:37.140 I resent this

00:38:39.960 where are the backstories

00:38:42.200 hey

00:38:42.520 we thought this

00:38:43.880 we fed it to you

00:38:45.100 50% of every newscast

00:38:46.760 we were really

00:38:48.060 really wrong

00:38:49.180 and we now want

00:38:50.940 to discover

00:38:51.440 how did we get

00:38:52.840 that wrong

00:38:53.640 and as soon as

00:38:54.540 he was out of that one

00:38:55.480 it was the Ukrainian

00:38:56.920 conspiracy

00:38:57.460 and they were

00:38:58.900 onto that

00:38:59.360 within seconds

00:39:00.060 of that

00:39:00.440 the news media

00:39:01.980 have lost conscience

00:39:02.920 they've lost

00:39:04.840 the idea

00:39:05.880 of genuine scrutiny

00:39:07.160 and they serve

00:39:08.920 a partisan

00:39:09.720 force

00:39:10.440 so

00:39:11.400 it's

00:39:12.480 that's the set

00:39:13.340 of media

00:39:13.820 that's kind of

00:39:15.240 stuff that you're

00:39:15.980 doing which

00:39:16.540 is a breach

00:39:17.940 from the norm

00:39:19.020 and there are

00:39:20.040 hundreds and hundreds

00:39:20.740 of others

00:39:21.220 I have no ability

00:39:22.560 to project

00:39:23.380 but this is where

00:39:24.640 things

00:39:25.040 news will dissipate

00:39:27.060 and at the same time

00:39:28.140 disseminate

00:39:29.100 more of it

00:39:30.360 but

00:39:31.380 the fault of the

00:39:33.240 current

00:39:33.660 established media

00:39:35.320 is that they've lost

00:39:36.240 much of their conscience

00:39:37.460 but I feel

00:39:38.680 the problem

00:39:39.160 Rex is that

00:39:40.100 most people

00:39:40.920 just don't pay

00:39:41.540 that much attention

00:39:42.140 so they

00:39:42.680 they sort of

00:39:43.400 vaguely

00:39:44.300 sort of see headlines

00:39:45.560 they understand

00:39:46.240 you know

00:39:46.900 they do

00:39:47.440 same with

00:39:48.380 the George Floyd

00:39:49.420 protests

00:39:49.760 they say

00:39:50.260 okay

00:39:50.560 a cop

00:39:51.740 really brutally

00:39:52.800 murdered someone

00:39:53.660 and therefore

00:39:54.700 a lot of this

00:39:55.320 is sort of justified

00:39:56.460 and then they don't

00:39:57.320 kind of follow up

00:39:58.040 to see the

00:39:58.820 you know

00:39:59.140 it's the same thing

00:39:59.720 with the Russia stuff

00:40:00.760 there's a lot of people

00:40:01.620 out there who

00:40:02.220 probably don't know

00:40:03.180 that the whole thing

00:40:03.880 was disproven

00:40:04.720 they just sort of believe

00:40:05.800 that it's still

00:40:06.900 sort of true

00:40:08.180 and it happened

00:40:08.980 in the past

00:40:09.640 with some of the

00:40:10.040 previous Black Lives Matter

00:40:11.240 protests

00:40:11.680 where you know

00:40:12.760 the idea of

00:40:13.360 hands up don't shoot

00:40:14.120 that Michael Brown

00:40:14.820 was shot in the back

00:40:16.000 where you know

00:40:16.600 the investigation

00:40:17.240 done by

00:40:17.840 Barack Obama's

00:40:18.860 DOJ

00:40:19.320 found that

00:40:19.840 he actually wasn't

00:40:20.920 and all this stuff

00:40:21.440 but people don't

00:40:22.500 don't pay attention

00:40:23.200 to that follow up

00:40:23.960 and like you said

00:40:24.580 the media doesn't do 0.76

00:40:25.400 a mea culpa

00:40:25.900 and say

00:40:26.420 we were wrong

00:40:27.580 about all this stuff

00:40:28.360 that's another reason

00:40:29.280 why so much

00:40:30.720 of the ordinary

00:40:31.480 I hate the word

00:40:32.340 I really do

00:40:33.020 when you use it

00:40:33.760 in this context

00:40:34.380 but normal people

00:40:36.160 they've closed

00:40:38.220 their doors

00:40:38.620 on all of us

00:40:39.420 you know

00:40:40.660 if they have a bakery

00:40:41.960 and they have to make

00:40:42.860 cakes to survive

00:40:44.640 or if they got a farm

00:40:45.620 or if they're in the pharmacy

00:40:46.620 or their tax

00:40:47.260 they do their best

00:40:48.580 and they say

00:40:49.060 you know

00:40:49.380 we've come to believe

00:40:51.040 that this is such a mess

00:40:52.440 that none of them

00:40:54.760 are telling us the truth

00:40:56.080 journalism

00:40:57.200 journalism is the only profession

00:40:58.380 I think I know

00:40:59.180 that's lowered in politics

00:41:00.420 and the number

00:41:01.880 of respected journalists

00:41:02.960 in this country

00:41:03.720 is abysmally low

00:41:06.180 I know some in BC

00:41:07.860 I wouldn't be

00:41:08.960 because it's not right

00:41:09.680 to do so

00:41:10.160 but once you let people

00:41:11.380 lose faith

00:41:12.180 in primary institutions

00:41:14.720 if you once

00:41:16.300 see them saying

00:41:17.360 I'm not sure

00:41:18.120 my schools are doing

00:41:19.200 what schools are supposed

00:41:20.160 to do

00:41:20.780 why were they bringing

00:41:22.100 in these we frauds

00:41:23.320 for example

00:41:23.840 and if universities

00:41:25.760 are manufacturing

00:41:27.040 attitudes

00:41:28.200 rather than

00:41:29.640 building minds

00:41:30.940 if they're

00:41:31.940 indoctrination centers

00:41:33.160 of very low

00:41:34.400 intellectual caliber

00:41:35.580 why would I send

00:41:37.560 son or daughter

00:41:38.280 to one

00:41:38.740 but we're at the end

00:41:40.880 of that great blossoming

00:41:42.060 where ignorance

00:41:43.440 assumption

00:41:44.240 the elite

00:41:45.780 casting agendas

00:41:47.000 that if you don't

00:41:47.740 agree with this

00:41:48.320 well

00:41:48.520 look at Brexit

00:41:49.780 they were all 0.93

00:41:50.480 barbarians

00:41:51.320 who wanted back

00:41:52.480 their own country

00:41:53.300 and if you keep 0.99

00:41:55.120 crapping 0.98

00:41:55.720 I hate to leave

00:41:56.360 vulgarisms

00:41:57.000 on the general

00:41:59.040 citizen

00:41:59.640 you elect

00:42:02.000 Donald Trump

00:42:02.540 I think Trump

00:42:03.100 by the way

00:42:03.360 is a very good guy

00:42:03.980 I want to make

00:42:04.360 that really clear

00:42:04.960 but most people

00:42:06.660 forget

00:42:07.080 that if they

00:42:08.160 treated the general

00:42:09.060 citizen with respect

00:42:10.500 there would not

00:42:12.020 have been

00:42:12.440 an election

00:42:13.100 of Donald Trump

00:42:13.780 I see it that way too

00:42:15.340 I think that

00:42:15.820 Donald Trump

00:42:16.380 was like the

00:42:16.820 great revenge

00:42:17.520 of the sort of

00:42:18.600 working man

00:42:19.300 or the

00:42:19.740 working class appeal

00:42:20.900 that's a fact

00:42:22.020 right

00:42:22.320 and it's like

00:42:22.780 we're so tired 0.98

00:42:24.460 of your nonsense 0.99

00:42:25.100 and your BS 0.99

00:42:25.740 and you're telling us

00:42:26.280 what to think

00:42:26.760 and what to believe

00:42:27.400 I remember halfway

00:42:28.340 through that election

00:42:29.060 and your lies 0.68

00:42:29.500 yeah

00:42:30.040 there started to be

00:42:31.480 a sort of

00:42:32.440 thing that I noticed

00:42:33.500 on social media

00:42:34.140 where the idea was

00:42:35.020 if you don't support

00:42:36.320 Hillary Clinton

00:42:36.860 it's because you're sexist 0.96

00:42:38.320 yeah exactly

00:42:39.140 and I remember debating

00:42:40.100 a guy that I

00:42:40.740 went to school with

00:42:41.740 and it's sort of like

00:42:42.480 well what do you mean

00:42:43.140 like I'm a woman

00:42:44.140 I don't like Hillary Clinton 0.92

00:42:45.280 for these 10 policy reasons

00:42:47.100 you know

00:42:47.940 what does that have to do

00:42:49.160 with that

00:42:49.400 it's like

00:42:50.000 but they really believe it

00:42:51.580 and it's like

00:42:52.040 well it's because

00:42:53.460 you've ingrained sexism

00:42:54.920 and you don't see her

00:42:56.040 the same way

00:42:56.640 and the scandals

00:42:57.200 that get talked about her

00:42:57.960 and they have this whole

00:42:59.200 kind of conspiracy

00:43:00.480 almost about why

00:43:01.380 that's the case

00:43:01.920 and you see that

00:43:03.080 same iteration

00:43:03.720 that same line of thinking

00:43:04.680 today with the

00:43:06.020 concepts around racism

00:43:07.260 that you must be racist

00:43:08.520 if you don't believe

00:43:09.440 the causes of this group

00:43:10.560 you must know this

00:43:11.340 that Joe Biden

00:43:12.160 what was in five

00:43:12.940 six weeks ago

00:43:13.800 talking to the Black Reporter

00:43:15.100 told the Black Reporter

00:43:16.360 because he was going

00:43:17.620 to vote for Trump 0.95

00:43:18.200 that he wasn't black 0.86

00:43:19.080 you can't make this up

00:43:20.340 right yeah exactly

00:43:21.140 it's all good

00:43:22.040 Canadians still have

00:43:22.980 a lot of faith

00:43:23.660 in institutions

00:43:24.160 I look at the polling data

00:43:25.500 and in the US

00:43:26.540 you know politicians

00:43:27.800 journalists

00:43:28.640 police officers do okay

00:43:30.880 but a lot of those

00:43:31.600 institutions have

00:43:32.300 really low approval

00:43:32.980 surprisingly

00:43:34.100 when you look at Canada

00:43:35.060 there's still a lot of faith

00:43:36.260 in institutions

00:43:37.380 like journalism

00:43:38.100 and politics

00:43:39.500 I mean

00:43:39.920 obviously politics

00:43:40.940 takes a hit

00:43:41.700 depending on who's in office

00:43:42.800 in the scandal

00:43:43.360 it has to be declining

00:43:43.380 I'm not questioning the poll

00:43:45.580 because I don't know

00:43:46.220 but I do

00:43:48.220 I do

00:43:48.560 until this year

00:43:49.760 I travel variously

00:43:51.800 it's not just the cities

00:43:53.700 I've been up north

00:43:54.980 I've been in the towns

00:43:55.840 I've met every sort of group

00:43:58.060 you can imagine

00:43:58.740 over 20 years plus

00:44:00.920 and I went to

00:44:03.440 Weyburn

00:44:04.260 Saskatchewan

00:44:05.020 last summer

00:44:05.540 it was a wonderful meeting

00:44:06.780 thousand farmers

00:44:08.160 and you talk to them

00:44:10.040 they take the cow stick

00:44:13.000 they gave me one

00:44:13.720 I said I bring it back

00:44:14.620 to the CBC

00:44:15.340 this is for hitting the cows

00:44:17.080 to get them to win

00:44:17.740 but

00:44:19.140 no it certainly

00:44:20.360 certainly is in decline

00:44:21.500 I'm just

00:44:21.920 I'm always surprised

00:44:22.760 that there is still faith

00:44:23.860 in the institutions

00:44:25.080 because I watch media

00:44:25.900 really closely

00:44:26.480 I sort of critique it

00:44:27.560 and to me

00:44:28.680 it's just so obviously

00:44:30.280 not reporting the truth

00:44:31.780 it's not reporting

00:44:32.500 what's actually happening

00:44:33.340 in the world

00:44:33.760 not snobbish

00:44:34.940 the lack of education

00:44:37.060 I had PhDs

00:44:39.680 at CBC

00:44:41.040 working as research assistants

00:44:42.540 but they had done a PhD

00:44:44.620 and I ended up making it up

00:44:45.460 in gender geography

00:44:46.920 and I mentioned

00:44:49.000 Sherlock Holmes

00:44:49.780 and

00:44:50.020 huh

00:44:51.100 what

00:44:52.080 but if you've done

00:44:53.580 you know

00:44:54.000 30 years work

00:44:54.660 on gender geography

00:44:56.240 you don't know

00:44:57.260 Sherlock Holmes 1.00

00:44:57.840 you're ignorant 1.00

00:44:58.520 you've wasted 1.00

00:44:59.880 seven years of your life

00:45:01.100 putting stuff in your head

00:45:02.980 that relates to nothing

00:45:04.700 it's vapor

00:45:05.440 anyway

00:45:06.080 well and we were talking

00:45:07.860 about this a little bit

00:45:08.480 earlier that

00:45:09.120 the writing habits

00:45:10.220 you get from academia

00:45:11.600 I mean the idea

00:45:12.280 that you hire someone

00:45:13.540 because they have

00:45:14.180 a university degree

00:45:15.020 and they show up

00:45:16.000 on a job

00:45:16.440 and they can't really write

00:45:17.180 and they can't really think

00:45:18.320 and they can't really put

00:45:18.960 ideas together

00:45:19.620 it's like

00:45:19.920 what have you been doing

00:45:21.340 for the last four years

00:45:22.460 I think that people

00:45:23.420 who are aspirant

00:45:24.580 for a journalistic exercise

00:45:28.360 if they can't be talked

00:45:30.480 out of it

00:45:31.000 if they go to a university

00:45:32.980 the last thing

00:45:33.660 they should do

00:45:34.120 is go to a journalism school

00:45:35.420 they should study

00:45:37.420 I suggest history

00:45:39.160 would be one great thing

00:45:40.460 they should obviously

00:45:42.100 study English

00:45:44.160 with a particular emphasis

00:45:46.560 on narratives

00:45:48.160 I mean novels

00:45:49.260 but I also mean essays

00:45:51.100 and if they really want

00:45:53.080 to get good at it

00:45:54.000 they should do

00:45:55.260 the study of poetry

00:45:57.320 not for its beauty

00:45:59.540 but to analyze

00:46:01.300 how words

00:46:02.680 at their maximum

00:46:03.780 power and force

00:46:06.200 have been organized

00:46:08.580 there is no greater

00:46:10.500 introduction

00:46:11.020 to the communication

00:46:13.160 of different ideas

00:46:15.080 and blending argument

00:46:16.560 than close attention

00:46:18.680 to the most exquisite

00:46:20.980 management of words

00:46:22.760 that the language has

00:46:23.900 and that is

00:46:25.020 in the highest poems

00:46:26.120 and I could give you

00:46:28.200 just a hundred

00:46:28.880 is enough

00:46:29.480 if you studied

00:46:31.620 a hundred short poems

00:46:32.920 but really studied them

00:46:34.620 why is this line

00:46:36.640 so electric

00:46:37.820 why is this simile

00:46:39.640 so powerful

00:46:40.840 you'll never find a cliche

00:46:42.800 you'll understand

00:46:44.700 what vibrant

00:46:45.680 excitable

00:46:47.080 or persuasive language is

00:46:49.040 and we have

00:46:50.300 from Montaigne

00:46:51.180 to S.J. Perlman

00:46:53.060 we have 40 to 50

00:46:55.120 of the greatest

00:46:55.740 English essayists

00:46:56.800 that have ever lived

00:46:58.000 and the first

00:46:59.440 great journalist

00:47:00.400 believe it or not

00:47:01.280 Samuel Johnson

00:47:02.420 was also

00:47:03.780 a repository

00:47:05.100 of some of the

00:47:05.820 highest class essays

00:47:06.880 that have ever been done

00:47:07.900 all your journalism

00:47:09.600 is in other books

00:47:10.600 and as far as

00:47:11.760 setting up the microphone

00:47:12.780 and learning how to

00:47:14.360 chit chat back and forth

00:47:15.560 you could take a month

00:47:17.180 off somewhere

00:47:17.780 and go to some school 1.00

00:47:18.640 and pick all that crap up 0.98

00:47:19.820 but you have to read 0.98

00:47:21.360 the past

00:47:21.920 you have to have

00:47:22.980 some history

00:47:23.580 and if you're in

00:47:24.440 English journalism

00:47:24.980 obviously

00:47:25.400 you gotta have English

00:47:26.780 the rest is

00:47:28.080 can you think

00:47:28.720 right

00:47:29.560 and I think that's why

00:47:30.780 in some ways

00:47:31.620 journalism has

00:47:32.680 fewer barriers

00:47:33.460 now than ever

00:47:34.320 because anyone

00:47:35.340 can tell a story

00:47:36.500 they can pick up

00:47:37.320 their phone

00:47:37.720 and film something

00:47:38.540 that shows a unique

00:47:39.820 angle that the

00:47:40.460 mainstream media

00:47:41.020 perhaps isn't covering

00:47:41.880 and there's

00:47:42.580 there's so much

00:47:43.180 more information

00:47:43.800 there's so much more

00:47:44.600 that again

00:47:45.800 and also we've allowed

00:47:46.740 journalism to wander

00:47:47.660 into self-duration

00:47:49.600 you know

00:47:51.240 we go to school

00:47:52.740 we go to school

00:47:54.640 not to learn

00:47:55.860 where we live

00:47:56.840 we go to school

00:47:58.660 to learn the things

00:47:59.320 we don't know

00:48:00.040 the things we haven't met

00:48:01.720 and outside of

00:48:04.320 our own personality

00:48:05.100 we want to hear

00:48:05.740 about the personalities

00:48:06.420 of others

00:48:07.240 but if your dating life

00:48:09.840 is the subject

00:48:11.840 of your entire fascination

00:48:13.220 and you can get

00:48:14.400 a lifestyle

00:48:14.960 columnist job

00:48:16.980 you may call it

00:48:18.540 journalism

00:48:19.000 I call it narcissism

00:48:21.040 you're not spreading

00:48:22.240 information

00:48:22.800 you're confining it

00:48:23.880 you can have

00:48:25.200 entertainment journalism

00:48:26.360 and you know

00:48:26.820 so-called

00:48:27.440 but the serious stuff

00:48:29.060 means that

00:48:29.640 it's the things

00:48:30.560 that make us different

00:48:31.620 and to call it

00:48:32.920 education

00:48:33.420 now that you must

00:48:34.180 have a representative

00:48:35.020 face

00:48:35.780 in front of you

00:48:37.580 to teach you

00:48:38.260 otherwise you can

00:48:39.040 that goes against

00:48:40.660 the entire history

00:48:41.460 of civilization

00:48:42.200 we learn different

00:48:44.340 things from

00:48:45.000 different people

00:48:46.040 I'd rather know

00:48:47.200 the battle of Troy

00:48:48.160 which is the archetype

00:48:49.920 of all battles

00:48:50.800 than I would

00:48:52.020 I know of a certain

00:48:53.500 battle in Newfoundland

00:48:54.420 and Harvard Grace

00:48:55.180 I learned that too

00:48:56.900 but if I had a choice

00:48:58.280 between the two

00:48:58.920 the one I would want

00:48:59.740 to learn

00:49:00.060 is the Troy one 0.87

00:49:00.880 I'd eventually

00:49:01.900 get to this

00:49:02.700 and if I had the chance

00:49:04.520 for some Australian

00:49:05.280 to come teach me

00:49:07.180 English literature

00:49:07.900 I'd take them

00:49:09.120 over to Newfoundland

00:49:09.840 they're teaching me

00:49:10.420 Newfoundland literature

00:49:11.160 I would

00:49:12.480 why is that?

00:49:14.940 you want to get

00:49:15.600 stuff that you

00:49:16.280 don't have

00:49:17.020 you know

00:49:18.780 I got the Newfoundland

00:49:19.520 lingo

00:49:19.940 I can't figure it

00:49:21.700 but I don't know

00:49:23.380 Erasmus

00:49:24.940 and also

00:49:26.280 it's past

00:49:26.900 you have to embed

00:49:28.540 your

00:49:28.900 journalist means

00:49:30.560 every day

00:49:31.080 that's etymological

00:49:32.600 but the only way

00:49:34.880 you can write

00:49:35.500 about every day

00:49:36.280 is that you have

00:49:36.960 to have some

00:49:37.500 mental map

00:49:39.320 of a temporal scheme

00:49:40.660 I can go

00:49:42.880 and I'm not bragging

00:49:43.540 it's true

00:49:44.020 I can go from Shakespeare

00:49:45.580 to Yeats

00:49:46.480 and I got

00:49:47.940 there are places

00:49:48.720 all along the way

00:49:49.540 and so when I see

00:49:51.340 something now

00:49:52.180 and I can

00:49:53.720 either as an expression

00:49:55.260 or a phrase

00:49:55.920 or an idea

00:49:56.780 I can see

00:49:58.700 where

00:49:59.060 Yeats

00:50:00.040 connects with

00:50:00.760 John Donne

00:50:01.300 like that's

00:50:02.040 350's

00:50:03.140 400 years

00:50:03.800 same sentence

00:50:04.620 almost

00:50:04.960 so then you say

00:50:06.240 well

00:50:06.480 this isn't new

00:50:07.820 so what

00:50:09.460 you start

00:50:09.860 this is also true

00:50:11.100 400 years ago

00:50:11.960 in a different context

00:50:12.780 right

00:50:13.160 it teaches you

00:50:14.320 another way

00:50:14.720 to think about it

00:50:15.640 journalists

00:50:16.640 are jacks of all trades

00:50:17.960 but history

00:50:19.740 and

00:50:20.460 a real study

00:50:22.160 they should be

00:50:22.800 humble before language

00:50:23.860 I agree with that

00:50:25.040 so I studied

00:50:25.920 political science

00:50:26.680 in school

00:50:27.160 I remember

00:50:27.780 going to a seminar

00:50:28.740 down in the US

00:50:29.360 and meeting

00:50:30.220 other students

00:50:31.040 that studied politics

00:50:32.820 but their degrees

00:50:33.660 were in government

00:50:34.460 or in politics

00:50:35.700 and I was kind of

00:50:36.880 curious like

00:50:37.260 what's the difference

00:50:37.820 and basically

00:50:38.420 it was that

00:50:39.020 in Canadian

00:50:40.060 political science

00:50:40.640 courses

00:50:40.960 you learn about

00:50:42.100 you know

00:50:42.560 ancient Greek

00:50:43.100 philosophy

00:50:43.600 and the origins

00:50:45.540 of political thinking

00:50:46.360 and it was much

00:50:47.260 more based on

00:50:48.080 sort of philosophy

00:50:49.320 whereas they

00:50:50.260 just literally

00:50:51.180 learn the nuts

00:50:51.940 and bolts 0.66

00:50:52.280 of government

00:50:52.800 and to me

00:50:54.080 it's almost

00:50:54.500 more like

00:50:55.040 a degree

00:50:56.240 in engineering

00:50:56.880 or something

00:50:57.340 like that

00:50:57.700 it's like

00:50:58.080 understanding

00:50:58.660 how things

00:50:59.300 work

00:50:59.720 and to me

00:51:01.780 it's like

00:51:02.120 well

00:51:02.380 yeah

00:51:03.000 the purpose

00:51:03.460 of the education

00:51:04.360 really was

00:51:04.980 what you get

00:51:05.620 out of it

00:51:06.040 which is not

00:51:06.560 just the knowledge

00:51:07.860 of how a government

00:51:08.660 works

00:51:09.000 but the ideas

00:51:10.260 underpinning it

00:51:11.060 and where we came

00:51:11.680 from

00:51:11.960 and how

00:51:12.200 and the other

00:51:12.640 thing

00:51:12.940 we don't know

00:51:13.600 each other

00:51:14.020 but this much

00:51:15.140 I know of you

00:51:15.780 you worked a little

00:51:16.540 bit in the political

00:51:17.340 system

00:51:17.760 I maintain it as

00:51:19.440 an axiom

00:51:20.440 that any full-time

00:51:22.120 journalist in the

00:51:22.780 political idea

00:51:23.820 should be sent

00:51:25.180 from his or her

00:51:25.800 province

00:51:26.340 and told to join

00:51:27.960 the party

00:51:28.420 he or she

00:51:28.920 most despises

00:51:29.920 really

00:51:31.160 be given a three-month

00:51:32.760 or a six-month job

00:51:33.800 on salary

00:51:34.580 you are now a partisan

00:51:36.100 working for the party

00:51:36.920 you hate the most

00:51:37.860 and you go into

00:51:39.400 the question periods

00:51:40.340 and you go into

00:51:40.920 the caucuses

00:51:41.520 and you go to

00:51:41.940 the campaigns

00:51:42.520 and you go door to door

00:51:43.380 you mingle

00:51:45.200 with the actual

00:51:46.760 stuff of politics

00:51:48.320 and you hear from

00:51:49.720 North Westminster

00:51:50.480 or wherever the hell 0.97

00:51:51.260 you are 0.64

00:51:51.700 a voice that you

00:51:53.260 will not hear

00:51:53.980 in the scrum

00:51:55.480 at Ottawa

00:51:56.020 and then when you

00:51:57.420 come back

00:51:58.060 having left

00:51:59.280 to one party

00:51:59.860 you really don't like

00:52:00.960 you can then say

00:52:02.640 I'm going to judge

00:52:03.360 all politics

00:52:04.120 real experience

00:52:06.120 on top of education

00:52:07.400 journalists need

00:52:08.740 to get out

00:52:09.180 of their own biases

00:52:10.040 and their own provinces

00:52:11.220 well I think

00:52:11.980 that would be good

00:52:12.500 for all Canadians

00:52:13.380 oh yeah it would be

00:52:14.460 it's an ideal

00:52:15.240 I find this a lot

00:52:16.360 on social media

00:52:17.000 I think social media

00:52:17.880 we were talking earlier

00:52:19.260 about how women 0.91

00:52:20.200 get all these insults

00:52:21.220 and stuff like that

00:52:21.720 everyone does

00:52:22.360 social media

00:52:23.180 brings out the worst

00:52:24.340 in people

00:52:24.720 and it gives them

00:52:25.200 a platform

00:52:25.680 to say the things

00:52:26.440 that they would never say

00:52:27.400 in real life

00:52:28.300 to your face

00:52:28.900 and so you have to

00:52:29.940 get really tough skin

00:52:31.220 but one of the things

00:52:32.500 I find is that

00:52:33.260 wow there's a subset

00:52:34.320 of people out there

00:52:34.800 that really loathe

00:52:35.880 conservatives

00:52:36.500 they just hate

00:52:38.020 to their core

00:52:38.940 the concept

00:52:39.660 that you're a conservative

00:52:40.460 and there's no

00:52:41.640 kind of trying to understand

00:52:43.020 or bridge the gap

00:52:43.720 or trying to see

00:52:44.540 where they come from

00:52:45.240 and you see the same thing

00:52:46.440 regionally Rex

00:52:47.160 I mean you're from

00:52:47.840 the east coast

00:52:48.420 I mean I don't think

00:52:50.180 that there's any kind

00:52:51.160 of like real hatred

00:52:51.880 towards the east coast

00:52:52.620 but I went to school

00:52:53.640 in Alberta

00:52:53.980 I grew up in Vancouver

00:52:55.240 on the west coast

00:52:56.000 but I went to school

00:52:56.620 in Alberta

00:52:57.040 and there seems to be

00:52:58.260 like a real hatred

00:53:00.020 towards people from Alberta

00:53:01.460 when you're in other

00:53:02.140 parts of the country

00:53:02.840 and maybe it goes

00:53:03.700 back and forth

00:53:04.220 I've studied

00:53:05.100 I've made that part

00:53:06.040 of my political

00:53:07.460 colonizing

00:53:08.460 yeah I know

00:53:09.380 you've commented

00:53:10.140 on this

00:53:10.580 but do you feel

00:53:11.720 like the country

00:53:12.240 is more divided

00:53:12.960 now than it has been

00:53:13.840 before

00:53:14.060 I tell you what

00:53:14.640 at the institutional level

00:53:16.380 at the management level

00:53:18.040 the management of this country 0.95

00:53:19.280 is incompetent

00:53:20.100 at the rest of the time

00:53:20.860 I find that when I get down

00:53:23.220 and I don't like

00:53:24.520 these spatial metaphors

00:53:25.880 up and down

00:53:26.360 signifying quality

00:53:27.700 I mentioned Weyburn

00:53:29.100 when I get with

00:53:29.960 large groups of people

00:53:30.840 that aren't in some

00:53:31.700 silly academic setting 0.75

00:53:34.360 it's the farmer here 0.95

00:53:35.860 or I went to a great

00:53:37.200 logging conference

00:53:38.420 in another place

00:53:39.340 I've been at a lot

00:53:40.860 of farm exhibitions

00:53:41.780 and I know nothing

00:53:43.440 about them

00:53:44.020 I mean nothing

00:53:44.980 and yet you make the rounds

00:53:46.840 and you meet the women

00:53:47.640 you meet the men

00:53:48.300 some of the kids

00:53:49.020 there's something so stable

00:53:51.360 and welcoming

00:53:52.040 I mentioned 9-11

00:53:53.040 when the Newfoundlanders

00:53:54.040 welcomed the Americans

00:53:55.100 Gander you know

00:53:56.420 about Gambo you don't

00:53:58.100 in an even smaller town

00:53:59.460 never traveled any more

00:54:01.520 than 50 miles

00:54:02.280 the majority of them

00:54:03.260 but the natural spirit

00:54:05.100 it was unaffected

00:54:07.700 they're not looking around

00:54:09.120 saying they're going

00:54:09.980 to think we're really good

00:54:11.500 it was real

00:54:12.780 they were staggered

00:54:15.640 they were in anxiety

00:54:16.780 this little tiny place

00:54:18.280 what can we do for them

00:54:19.660 and if they dropped down

00:54:21.700 in labor

00:54:22.100 it would have been

00:54:22.700 different in form

00:54:24.340 but it would have been

00:54:25.400 the same

00:54:25.680 the great swath

00:54:27.140 and that's true

00:54:28.700 of all the cultures

00:54:29.980 we get into this

00:54:31.220 identity book

00:54:31.860 it's true

00:54:33.140 that the norm

00:54:34.020 of most people

00:54:35.420 is good

00:54:36.020 and in Canada

00:54:37.780 it is so easy

00:54:39.320 and so friendly

00:54:39.900 I've been around now

00:54:40.760 for far too long

00:54:42.460 for far too many people

00:54:43.400 but it really is interesting

00:54:45.580 how gently

00:54:46.980 pleasant people are

00:54:49.040 when they meet a stranger

00:54:50.020 that's not a stranger

00:54:50.740 if you're following me

00:54:51.880 I expect to be

00:54:53.740 you know

00:54:54.120 the rock's thrown out

00:54:54.940 and all this

00:54:55.360 the people are just

00:54:56.480 playing

00:54:57.020 the natural sentiment

00:54:58.620 of the country

00:54:59.240 is towards

00:55:00.220 a controlled harmony

00:55:02.640 a disposition

00:55:04.720 to go positive

00:55:06.980 before the results

00:55:08.120 come in

00:55:08.720 in other words

00:55:10.120 extend the good hand

00:55:11.400 and we'll see what happens

00:55:12.800 it is not vicious

00:55:14.420 it does not contain

00:55:16.600 any elements

00:55:17.460 of predetermined animosity

00:55:20.560 based on category

00:55:22.220 we all have a subdivision

00:55:24.360 of people

00:55:24.720 who are either strange

00:55:25.500 or angry or ugly

00:55:26.420 that's everywhere

00:55:27.500 but in the national disposition

00:55:29.440 treat other people decently

00:55:30.840 if you have the capacity

00:55:32.620 help them when you can

00:55:33.720 be friendly

00:55:35.580 don't be over friendly

00:55:36.800 and moderate

00:55:39.940 all that sounds dull

00:55:42.020 but it adds up

00:55:43.780 to a word

00:55:44.300 that has not got

00:55:45.340 the value

00:55:45.820 that it much deserves

00:55:47.440 to have

00:55:47.840 they are decent

00:55:48.980 human beings

00:55:50.120 and they can be

00:55:51.820 farmers

00:55:52.200 or they can be

00:55:53.280 corporate masters

00:55:54.020 by the way

00:55:54.900 or they can be

00:55:56.240 doctors

00:55:56.640 or they can be

00:55:57.820 janitors 0.56

00:55:58.380 they can be anyone

00:55:59.940 but the mix

00:56:01.380 that I've encountered

00:56:03.060 is overwhelmingly

00:56:04.640 more positive

00:56:05.480 than negative

00:56:06.100 and it is overwhelmingly

00:56:08.120 more welcoming

00:56:09.520 than bigotive

00:56:11.440 so this is sort of

00:56:12.840 the line of thinking

00:56:14.440 that you had

00:56:14.960 in that column

00:56:15.520 that you wrote

00:56:16.080 saying Canada's

00:56:17.660 sure there's

00:56:18.460 individual instances

00:56:19.620 of racism

00:56:20.180 but there are

00:56:21.120 all over the world

00:56:22.580 and the country

00:56:24.500 isn't characterized

00:56:25.260 by racism

00:56:26.400 and that's an important

00:56:27.440 distinction

00:56:27.840 and when I read

00:56:29.200 your column

00:56:29.620 I was sort of

00:56:30.880 relieved

00:56:31.440 because it's like

00:56:32.300 finally someone's

00:56:33.120 saying this

00:56:33.600 and it's almost like

00:56:35.100 why does it need

00:56:35.720 to be said

00:56:36.420 well it didn't need

00:56:37.080 to be said

00:56:37.480 in the real world

00:56:38.440 but in that moment

00:56:39.940 no one else was saying it

00:56:41.320 and there was sort of

00:56:41.820 a chilled

00:56:42.340 we were watching

00:56:43.420 what was happening

00:56:43.960 in the US

00:56:44.420 and you know

00:56:46.040 people who were

00:56:46.620 speaking out

00:56:47.100 out against it

00:56:47.740 were getting sort of

00:56:48.420 canceled

00:56:48.680 we talked about

00:56:49.220 stock while

00:56:49.660 having the wrong

00:56:50.880 opinion

00:56:51.300 or stating the opinion

00:56:52.500 in the wrong way

00:56:53.240 on the CBC

00:56:54.100 and you wrote

00:56:55.040 a column that was

00:56:55.960 very sort of

00:56:56.680 gentle

00:56:56.960 and reasonable

00:56:58.220 and not over the top

00:56:59.120 not bombastic

00:56:59.860 not aggressive

00:57:01.100 it was dull

00:57:02.100 well I don't know

00:57:03.520 about that

00:57:03.940 it was interesting

00:57:04.620 and like I said

00:57:05.460 when I read it

00:57:05.960 I felt good

00:57:06.920 because it's like

00:57:07.780 someone needs to say this

00:57:08.980 because this is how

00:57:09.840 we all feel

00:57:10.440 and similarly

00:57:11.420 I've traveled

00:57:11.980 all over the country

00:57:12.760 I've lived in different

00:57:13.540 cities

00:57:13.880 different regions

00:57:14.440 and I think that

00:57:15.600 there are a few

00:57:16.260 sort of themes

00:57:17.360 and characteristics

00:57:18.040 that Canadians have 1.00

00:57:18.900 they sort of

00:57:20.060 tend to defer

00:57:20.680 to order

00:57:21.220 they like to follow

00:57:22.540 rules

00:57:23.120 they're friendly

00:57:24.060 and they will go

00:57:24.940 out of their way

00:57:25.340 to help people

00:57:26.100 obviously that's not

00:57:27.120 everybody

00:57:27.480 but that's the general

00:57:28.620 sort of character

00:57:29.680 and so

00:57:30.620 why is it that

00:57:31.620 that column

00:57:32.160 that you wrote

00:57:32.740 just sort of

00:57:33.340 struck a chord

00:57:34.040 and launched

00:57:35.240 this negative reaction

00:57:36.060 because

00:57:36.280 I won't be specific

00:57:37.940 but because

00:57:39.640 there is

00:57:41.160 a mindset

00:57:43.100 or a mentality

00:57:44.180 that seems

00:57:46.580 to have only

00:57:47.480 found nourishment

00:57:48.640 in nursing

00:57:50.420 imaginary

00:57:51.820 or real grievances

00:57:53.400 and putting a microscope

00:57:55.660 on every possible flaw

00:57:58.120 and Mr. Trudeau

00:58:01.420 I wrote another column

00:58:03.280 a while back

00:58:04.140 I don't mind him

00:58:05.480 apologizing

00:58:06.160 for what he perceives

00:58:07.300 to be

00:58:07.760 what he calls

00:58:09.240 historic wrongs

00:58:10.380 but if we're going

00:58:12.040 to get a rain

00:58:12.840 of apologies

00:58:14.520 from the Prime Minister

00:58:15.640 I would also like

00:58:17.020 to hear him

00:58:17.440 on alternate days

00:58:18.440 saying

00:58:18.740 oh by the way

00:58:19.780 this is not

00:58:21.200 the entirety

00:58:22.000 and if we do

00:58:23.760 have an incident

00:58:24.520 of racism

00:58:25.300 and we do

00:58:26.440 have them

00:58:26.940 we also have

00:58:28.340 incidents

00:58:28.920 where the opposites

00:58:30.380 happen

00:58:30.700 I don't know

00:58:31.620 if people remember

00:58:32.420 the great flight

00:58:33.840 from Vietnam

00:58:34.620 and these are hardly

00:58:37.260 our lookalike neighbors

00:58:39.120 I don't remember

00:58:41.420 anyone saying

00:58:42.200 that Canada's 0.71

00:58:43.300 immigration policy

00:58:44.300 had some secret

00:58:45.660 device to bar out

00:58:46.900 sets of people

00:58:47.660 based on their color

00:58:48.720 I've been in

00:58:50.420 too many small

00:58:51.080 I've met a guy

00:58:52.300 from

00:58:52.640 I forget

00:58:53.700 the African state

00:58:54.780 I met him

00:58:56.180 up beyond Edmonton

00:58:57.900 and I said 0.89

00:58:59.360 what in the hell 0.98

00:59:00.200 are you doing here 0.99

00:59:01.040 you left

00:59:02.240 you know

00:59:02.580 the tropical climate

00:59:03.700 and you way up

00:59:04.960 every last 15 years

00:59:07.000 he said

00:59:07.840 I love it here

00:59:08.740 I see too much

00:59:11.240 of the benign

00:59:12.860 being bypassed

00:59:14.740 and every little

00:59:15.880 tiny silly thing 0.85

00:59:17.000 and secondly 0.89

00:59:17.880 grievance mongering

00:59:19.560 is also a form

00:59:20.440 of politics

00:59:21.140 you can get ahead

00:59:23.200 in this world

00:59:23.980 if you decide

00:59:25.240 to make

00:59:25.640 picking at

00:59:26.280 various sexual

00:59:27.540 ethical

00:59:28.660 ethnical

00:59:30.340 sexual 0.77

00:59:31.720 religion

00:59:32.380 if you can find

00:59:33.320 some spot

00:59:34.020 where you can

00:59:35.780 claim a grievance

00:59:36.780 and blame it

00:59:38.220 on the whole society

00:59:39.260 or the whole history

00:59:40.140 it's a path

00:59:42.280 towards a certain

00:59:42.980 celebrity

00:59:43.560 but you do not hear

00:59:45.780 they're not on the panels

00:59:47.760 you don't not hear

00:59:49.040 about the

00:59:49.480 the woman out 0.99

00:59:50.640 in Red Deer

00:59:52.040 and

00:59:53.140 her next door 0.90

00:59:54.560 neighbor died

00:59:55.300 and she decided

00:59:57.120 their husband's alone

00:59:58.260 she bakes some bread

00:59:59.800 once in a while

01:00:00.500 and gives them

01:00:00.960 someday dinner

01:00:01.820 I've been down

01:00:03.420 in Newfoundland

01:00:03.960 when tragedies occur

01:00:05.100 and husbands

01:00:06.200 have been lost

01:00:07.020 and other husbands

01:00:08.780 come over in the winter

01:00:09.820 and take care of it

01:00:10.820 we don't

01:00:11.920 and by the way

01:00:12.500 they don't look

01:00:13.020 for the color

01:00:13.640 they look for the need

01:00:15.400 you could multiply

01:00:17.300 you could multiply

01:00:17.320 a thousand times

01:00:18.620 individual gestures

01:00:20.940 and individual concourse

01:00:22.880 constitutes the tissue

01:00:24.780 of a nation

01:00:25.420 not the stories

01:00:26.820 that hit 0.99

01:00:27.260 a damn headline 1.00

01:00:28.440 or 1.00

01:00:28.780 my 0.59

01:00:29.440 ridiculously

01:00:30.980 innocuous column

01:00:32.480 if I'm not allowed

01:00:34.340 to say

01:00:34.920 I'm grateful

01:00:36.280 that I happen

01:00:38.040 to land here

01:00:39.100 as opposed

01:00:40.700 to

01:00:41.040 North Korea

01:00:42.240 if I'm not allowed

01:00:44.440 to say

01:00:44.780 I actually like it here

01:00:46.200 and I have a couple

01:00:47.960 of good reasons

01:00:48.820 why it should be liked

01:00:50.100 and if that causes

01:00:52.320 a storm

01:00:52.980 the dilemma

01:00:54.680 is not mine to face

01:00:56.000 the mystery

01:00:57.560 has to be unraveled

01:00:58.800 in the mind

01:00:59.280 who finds it injurious

01:01:00.340 to read such a thing

01:01:01.680 and yet

01:01:02.560 that's sort of

01:01:03.160 the situation

01:01:03.920 that you found yourself in

01:01:05.040 because the column

01:01:05.940 said other things too

01:01:06.840 right

01:01:07.060 it was a critique

01:01:07.760 of Justin Trudeau

01:01:08.640 and Catherine McKenna

01:01:09.520 who were sort of

01:01:10.460 playing on this

01:01:11.260 race-based

01:01:12.060 sort of

01:01:12.580 every now and then

01:01:13.340 I said

01:01:13.760 please include

01:01:14.760 something

01:01:15.240 you know

01:01:15.680 positive

01:01:16.020 so can you walk us

01:01:17.980 through sort of

01:01:18.520 what happened

01:01:19.240 because it sort of

01:01:20.220 turned into a stir

01:01:21.020 we saw that there was

01:01:21.920 a report

01:01:22.260 I'll walk you into it

01:01:23.240 so far as I know

01:01:24.560 about it

01:01:24.980 I don't care about

01:01:26.660 those things

01:01:27.180 it was a big blow

01:01:29.000 and I know there was

01:01:29.960 I didn't explain

01:01:31.320 I'm being very frank

01:01:32.160 with you

01:01:32.400 didn't really greatly

01:01:34.260 explore

01:01:34.520 I know there was

01:01:35.000 because I couldn't

01:01:36.780 avoid reading it

01:01:37.860 something of a roar

01:01:39.780 in the newsroom

01:01:40.540 I was asked

01:01:42.520 if I minded

01:01:43.360 if another column

01:01:44.420 was written

01:01:44.760 I said write 10

01:01:45.520 I don't care

01:01:46.920 I write what I write

01:01:48.820 so I said

01:01:50.140 fine

01:01:51.340 I don't care

01:01:52.320 that's what we do

01:01:54.620 I did make it a point

01:01:56.180 to say that

01:01:56.740 if there was going

01:01:58.720 to be interference

01:01:59.600 I'll say this out loud

01:02:01.000 too

01:02:01.220 then you know

01:02:02.500 you've got a choice

01:02:03.040 to make

01:02:03.420 I'm not stopping

01:02:05.160 what I'm doing

01:02:05.860 and I'm not apologizing

01:02:07.540 for what I wrote

01:02:08.120 I think you saw that

01:02:08.960 so I said

01:02:10.180 I'm going to write one

01:02:10.980 saying where I am

01:02:11.880 you can take it

01:02:13.280 and they do

01:02:13.940 and they backed it

01:02:14.860 and I will make

01:02:17.880 one tiny tiny tiny claim here

01:02:19.720 the fact that I went out

01:02:22.360 of my way to say

01:02:23.060 no I'm not apologizing

01:02:24.120 I think Stockwell Day

01:02:26.080 made a really bad mistake

01:02:27.080 he's a decent man

01:02:28.000 he should have said

01:02:29.060 well I might have said

01:02:30.500 something clumsy

01:02:31.180 but I didn't say anything bad

01:02:33.620 and I'm not apologizing

01:02:34.920 and the

01:02:36.240 celerity

01:02:39.040 with which

01:02:40.300 some powerful people

01:02:41.800 in this country

01:02:43.500 one of the art magazines

01:02:46.040 recently

01:02:46.560 almost disemboweled himself

01:02:49.240 in glutinous apology

01:02:51.700 for some imagined sin

01:02:53.280 look

01:02:53.960 there are real pains

01:02:55.900 in this world

01:02:56.660 there are people

01:02:58.260 in other countries

01:02:59.380 wondering whether

01:03:00.520 they can get food

01:03:01.420 for the baby

01:03:02.040 tomorrow morning

01:03:02.880 we have some in China

01:03:04.900 there are people in jails

01:03:06.220 there are people

01:03:07.320 who have fantastic

01:03:08.480 and painful illnesses

01:03:10.080 there are people

01:03:11.120 in poverty

01:03:11.860 and we sometimes

01:03:13.860 find such silly stuff

01:03:15.700 and organize our lives 0.76

01:03:18.160 and our passions

01:03:18.960 behind it

01:03:19.660 we should be ashamed

01:03:21.120 of ourselves

01:03:21.720 we have it really

01:03:23.320 really really good

01:03:24.360 in this country

01:03:24.920 regardless of any background

01:03:26.340 and in comparison

01:03:28.020 with most of the countries

01:03:29.320 of the world

01:03:29.900 we've been given

01:03:31.320 a benediction

01:03:32.100 generations past

01:03:34.280 I'm from Newfoundland

01:03:35.580 I know what it was like

01:03:36.980 down there in the 30s

01:03:38.140 I wouldn't have lasted

01:03:41.200 we've had it soft

01:03:42.980 and easy

01:03:43.800 we've inherited

01:03:45.220 more than we've ever

01:03:46.520 built ourselves

01:03:47.400 we have a stable democracy

01:03:49.500 we have a reason

01:03:50.420 civility

01:03:51.840 a reason civic order

01:03:54.240 and we have

01:03:55.560 the greatest spread

01:03:56.540 of natural resources

01:03:57.420 over one of the vast

01:03:58.320 landmasses in the entire world

01:03:59.920 we don't have civil war

01:04:01.580 we never get

01:04:03.020 huge natural disasters

01:04:05.140 and aside from this

01:04:06.880 I'm not sure

01:04:08.500 whatever COVID is

01:04:09.840 this is about

01:04:10.920 the worst thing

01:04:11.500 we've faced

01:04:12.020 since the first world war

01:04:13.300 can't you be grateful

01:04:15.220 think of the people

01:04:17.580 crawling around

01:04:18.480 in civil wars

01:04:19.480 and in places like

01:04:21.080 Cambodia

01:04:22.280 30 years

01:04:23.100 people who went

01:04:24.920 through war

01:04:25.620 who lived in Russia 1.00

01:04:26.980 count your damn blessings 0.99

01:04:30.120 that's not chauvinism 0.99

01:04:31.480 it's reality

01:04:32.800 I'm glad you mentioned

01:04:34.180 gratitude

01:04:34.980 because I feel like

01:04:35.920 that's something

01:04:36.320 that's often just missing

01:04:37.840 in our society

01:04:38.400 one of the things

01:04:39.520 I learned

01:04:40.480 just sort of

01:04:41.440 growing up here

01:04:41.980 is that the people

01:04:42.760 who I always found

01:04:43.620 were the most

01:04:44.120 sort of patriotic Canadians

01:04:45.300 were immigrants

01:04:46.260 people who had come

01:04:47.220 from other places

01:04:48.260 my husband

01:04:48.800 I can speak to that too

01:04:49.880 yeah my husband

01:04:50.540 came from Iran

01:04:51.320 when he was 13

01:04:52.300 and you know

01:04:53.380 to this day

01:04:53.980 he'll say he'd be

01:04:54.900 dead or in jail

01:04:55.700 if his family

01:04:56.720 hadn't stayed wrong

01:04:57.480 I have a friend from Belgrade

01:04:57.720 I have a whole family

01:04:59.060 from China

01:04:59.740 they beam

01:05:01.260 when they talk

01:05:02.640 about this place

01:05:03.320 I love them more

01:05:04.680 than I love

01:05:05.120 some of the Canadians

01:05:06.040 well because they've seen

01:05:07.400 something different

01:05:08.640 and they understand

01:05:09.360 what liberty means

01:05:10.800 and all this

01:05:13.160 obsessional

01:05:15.260 puritanical

01:05:17.460 fault finding

01:05:19.720 and always putting

01:05:20.820 yourself

01:05:21.700 at the center

01:05:23.040 of the virtue

01:05:23.720 being discussed

01:05:24.620 there's a narcissism here

01:05:27.000 disguising itself as

01:05:28.740 oh

01:05:29.600 I'm rooting out

01:05:30.780 injustice

01:05:31.260 we've invented

01:05:32.860 more areas

01:05:34.580 of false pain

01:05:35.740 there's enough

01:05:37.140 real pain

01:05:37.740 in the world

01:05:38.260 not to be playing around

01:05:39.400 with two plus two

01:05:40.540 equals five

01:05:41.560 there really is

01:05:43.180 you know

01:05:43.460 well then what do you

01:05:44.280 make of the argument

01:05:45.300 that you can't talk

01:05:46.840 about racism

01:05:47.480 in Canada

01:05:48.280 because you're 0.83

01:05:49.120 a white man 0.98

01:05:49.780 or you're an old guy 0.94

01:05:50.860 there's no such thing

01:05:52.740 white privilege 1.00

01:05:53.480 is a garbage concept 1.00

01:05:55.020 it is a political concept 1.00

01:05:56.500 and racism

01:05:57.940 is a dynamic

01:05:58.920 between racists

01:06:00.120 and it's a plural

01:06:02.000 you have no special stock

01:06:04.420 and I'd have claimed

01:06:06.140 that because of

01:06:06.860 the Irish famine

01:06:07.760 that you can't read

01:06:09.480 James Joyce

01:06:10.140 you can't rule out

01:06:13.460 the areas of discussion

01:06:15.300 based on your

01:06:16.800 you can see

01:06:18.160 if I want to talk

01:06:20.260 to someone about

01:06:21.080 English literature

01:06:21.560 I know a little bit

01:06:22.240 about that

01:06:22.780 that doesn't mean

01:06:24.620 I can tell you 0.93

01:06:25.180 to shut up 1.00

01:06:25.880 and this idea

01:06:27.500 of lived experience

01:06:28.520 is somehow

01:06:29.060 authenticating

01:06:30.280 any assertion

01:06:31.240 what other kind

01:06:33.020 of experience

01:06:33.480 is there

01:06:34.000 have you got some

01:06:35.420 unlived experience

01:06:36.300 that I haven't heard about

01:06:37.100 I have lived experience

01:06:38.720 no

01:06:39.020 you have more

01:06:39.640 lived experience

01:06:40.240 yeah

01:06:40.700 but the thing

01:06:42.740 that the left

01:06:43.180 is really good at

01:06:43.920 really clever at

01:06:44.720 is they take something

01:06:45.540 that's completely obvious

01:06:46.640 like everyone

01:06:47.740 has different experiences

01:06:48.820 everyone has a different

01:06:49.640 perspective

01:06:50.080 based on their experiences

01:06:50.980 they have a different

01:06:52.300 view of things

01:06:53.220 based on where

01:06:53.960 they come from

01:06:54.420 we also have minds

01:06:55.160 and logic

01:06:55.740 and brains

01:06:56.380 and we can read

01:06:57.320 a lot of things

01:06:58.560 besides how I feel

01:06:59.820 right

01:07:00.280 but then that

01:07:00.820 that sort of leads

01:07:01.560 and it doesn't just

01:07:02.640 become my lived experience

01:07:03.540 it's like my truth

01:07:04.660 which is different

01:07:05.320 than your truth

01:07:06.040 well that's

01:07:06.640 it's a high school argument

01:07:08.880 anyone who pays respect

01:07:10.380 to people who talk

01:07:11.120 about their truths

01:07:12.200 and there's six of us

01:07:13.660 in the room

01:07:14.040 we have seven truths

01:07:14.980 you're allowed to

01:07:16.840 you can join in

01:07:18.360 if you want

01:07:18.940 but it's

01:07:20.780 third grade thinking

01:07:21.620 it just doesn't stand

01:07:23.080 and there's another thing

01:07:24.200 I'm the thing like

01:07:25.380 two plus two

01:07:26.080 another thing like logic

01:07:27.900 you don't bend

01:07:30.120 I'm sorry

01:07:31.600 there's people

01:07:32.680 trying to suggest

01:07:33.480 that the stem

01:07:34.140 studies

01:07:35.620 should now take in

01:07:37.320 race factors

01:07:38.180 and this fact 1.00

01:07:38.800 this is garbage 0.99

01:07:40.400 and here's the beginning 1.00

01:07:42.880 of change

01:07:43.660 I don't know why

01:07:45.000 people mute themselves

01:07:46.220 when they see 0.99

01:07:46.880 obvious idiocies 0.99

01:07:48.540 that are literally 0.99

01:07:50.200 an insult

01:07:51.280 to your intelligence

01:07:52.020 if you

01:07:52.540 don't say no back

01:07:54.260 to them

01:07:54.700 when they clamped

01:07:56.100 their mouths 0.96

01:07:56.640 if you want to go

01:07:58.980 study astrophysics

01:08:00.820 go to a good

01:08:02.500 astrophysics university

01:08:04.040 don't phone Oprah

01:08:06.400 and bring in

01:08:07.680 Dr. Phil

01:08:08.440 and think you'll

01:08:09.780 feel your way to it

01:08:10.800 because you

01:08:11.800 there are so many

01:08:12.640 obvious things

01:08:13.580 that are being told

01:08:14.320 are not obvious

01:08:16.300 that's also where

01:08:17.500 all the people

01:08:18.140 beneath the television

01:08:19.460 studios

01:08:20.040 are laughing their heads

01:08:21.400 off

01:08:21.680 or are pissed off

01:08:22.820 and they're saying

01:08:24.080 this is a lie

01:08:25.120 what's his name

01:08:26.060 Obama

01:08:26.660 you can keep your doctor

01:08:27.900 he lied to them

01:08:29.300 50 times in the world

01:08:30.240 not one newsman

01:08:31.200 outside of the

01:08:31.880 hard right types

01:08:32.940 he said that lie

01:08:34.460 over and over

01:08:35.320 and over again

01:08:35.940 never got challenged

01:08:37.400 everyone else

01:08:38.400 knew it was

01:08:38.920 you can't suppress

01:08:40.380 the truth

01:08:40.980 and think that

01:08:42.980 other people

01:08:43.400 are not noticing

01:08:44.100 right

01:08:44.860 well do you think

01:08:45.640 that we're gonna

01:08:46.080 hit a turning point

01:08:47.100 Rex

01:08:47.400 like at some point

01:08:48.180 because I feel like

01:08:49.140 now you know

01:08:49.540 you say don't apologize

01:08:50.520 and if you're

01:08:51.480 in a place

01:08:52.220 where your workforce

01:08:53.360 is telling you

01:08:54.440 to do something

01:08:54.840 that you don't want

01:08:55.340 to do quit

01:08:55.840 most people can't do that

01:08:57.420 most people

01:08:58.060 have to go to work

01:08:59.380 they have to go

01:08:59.880 and they just

01:09:00.600 learn to keep

01:09:01.140 their mouth shut

01:09:01.680 because they have

01:09:02.640 opinions and you know

01:09:03.740 like we were talking

01:09:04.480 about earlier

01:09:04.680 where does that

01:09:05.180 finally go

01:09:05.900 I mean I agree

01:09:06.540 with you

01:09:06.800 people who have

01:09:08.600 dependents

01:09:09.640 and are hard up

01:09:12.140 they got to have

01:09:12.880 the job

01:09:13.320 yeah and so

01:09:13.820 they don't have

01:09:14.160 the choice to just

01:09:14.820 say like

01:09:15.280 I refuse to apologize

01:09:16.280 but if they continue

01:09:17.620 to accept the clamp

01:09:18.720 I don't mean them

01:09:19.380 individually

01:09:19.980 the clamp will just

01:09:21.560 come on harder 1.00

01:09:22.200 you work so that

01:09:24.080 you have the means

01:09:25.000 to live

01:09:25.760 that you can provide

01:09:27.020 supplies for yourself

01:09:27.980 and your family

01:09:28.520 and possibly a bit

01:09:29.500 of entertainment

01:09:30.060 but if in the earning

01:09:32.560 of the means to live

01:09:34.440 life itself becomes

01:09:36.100 conscripted

01:09:37.220 and that you have

01:09:38.360 to bend your personality

01:09:39.520 and that you have

01:09:40.840 to bury inside of yourself

01:09:42.300 things you know

01:09:43.020 are not true

01:09:43.820 then as you live

01:09:45.360 that life

01:09:46.020 it will become exhausting

01:09:47.720 and not worth living

01:09:48.560 to begin with

01:09:49.200 so I know the challenge

01:09:51.320 I certainly don't have

01:09:52.780 the answer to it

01:09:53.600 but if we concede

01:09:55.060 too much

01:09:55.740 of what is false

01:09:56.900 it will corrupt us

01:09:59.080 that's the challenge

01:10:01.080 and then

01:10:01.520 I mean there

01:10:02.600 there's just

01:10:03.000 you can point

01:10:03.820 to so many examples

01:10:05.000 one was

01:10:06.100 Queen's University

01:10:06.960 is introducing

01:10:07.580 a new initiative

01:10:08.260 where it's going

01:10:09.400 to allot

01:10:09.900 a certain percentage

01:10:10.840 of its places

01:10:12.440 at medical school 0.96

01:10:13.340 to black

01:10:14.280 and indigenous

01:10:14.780 Canadians

01:10:15.780 or people

01:10:16.440 and those people

01:10:17.760 don't have to write

01:10:18.440 the same entrance exams

01:10:19.540 as everyone else

01:10:20.460 so you can become

01:10:21.280 a doctor

01:10:21.700 without actually

01:10:22.300 writing the MCAT

01:10:23.280 I mean at what point

01:10:24.600 in our society

01:10:25.260 are we conceding

01:10:26.120 so much

01:10:26.580 to try to make up

01:10:27.320 for you know

01:10:28.240 in some ways

01:10:28.700 very legitimate

01:10:29.340 grievances

01:10:30.080 or legitimate

01:10:30.880 historic wrongs

01:10:31.260 and they are legitimate

01:10:32.180 but at what point

01:10:33.360 have we given up

01:10:34.020 too much

01:10:34.520 you can't apply

01:10:35.040 the wrong remedies

01:10:35.840 and you can't

01:10:36.680 dissolve truth

01:10:37.720 I cannot play

01:10:39.880 the Mozart

01:10:41.820 Bellat

01:10:42.480 in G minor

01:10:43.200 unless I got

01:10:45.020 four or five years

01:10:45.900 of extremely good

01:10:46.960 medical

01:10:47.320 musical instruction

01:10:49.080 and it's no good

01:10:50.740 I'll go to Dr. Phil

01:10:51.720 because he's neutral

01:10:52.480 it's no good

01:10:53.800 me phoning up

01:10:54.460 Dr. Phil

01:10:54.980 and saying

01:10:55.260 come in here

01:10:55.820 and talk me

01:10:56.740 into playing

01:10:57.180 the Mozart

01:10:57.820 you know

01:11:00.180 the Ballade

01:11:01.360 there are certain things

01:11:03.140 one of the great things

01:11:04.120 of western civilization

01:11:05.320 is that it built up

01:11:07.500 protocols

01:11:08.160 for the approach

01:11:09.860 to acquiring

01:11:10.580 and adding

01:11:11.360 to knowledge

01:11:12.160 and these were

01:11:13.240 independent

01:11:13.760 of scribal belief

01:11:15.440 they were independent

01:11:16.120 of scripture

01:11:16.680 they were observational

01:11:18.320 they were empirical

01:11:19.320 and they followed

01:11:20.500 laws of logic

01:11:21.520 and arithmetic

01:11:22.220 it's a cold

01:11:24.240 neutral

01:11:25.000 value

01:11:25.920 empty system

01:11:26.920 but it is a system

01:11:28.700 for ensuring

01:11:30.120 certainty

01:11:31.120 at the level

01:11:32.280 of physical fact

01:11:34.040 it's one of the

01:11:35.400 greatest institutions

01:11:36.540 if not the greatest

01:11:38.000 after language

01:11:38.940 the ability

01:11:40.300 to acquire

01:11:41.220 technical

01:11:42.020 understanding

01:11:43.220 of the world

01:11:44.220 in which we're in

01:11:45.060 there's only one

01:11:46.400 path

01:11:47.220 to reaching it

01:11:48.280 scientific method

01:11:49.880 rationality

01:11:51.260 and the discipline

01:11:52.400 of mind

01:11:52.960 and mathematics

01:11:53.780 especially mathematics

01:11:55.200 you can dislike

01:11:56.940 mathematics

01:11:57.640 you can call it

01:11:59.220 white mathematics

01:12:00.100 if you want

01:12:01.000 but if you do 1.00

01:12:02.380 you're an idiot 1.00

01:12:03.080 it's mathematics 1.00

01:12:04.960 and an Indian

01:12:06.620 one of the ones

01:12:07.660 that I most admire

01:12:08.560 he was a

01:12:09.980 he was a genius

01:12:11.040 intuitively

01:12:12.480 at the age of four

01:12:14.780 he knew more

01:12:16.500 of the nature

01:12:18.140 of mathematics

01:12:18.880 than Einstein

01:12:20.740 at 20

01:12:21.340 it had nothing

01:12:23.100 to do

01:12:23.640 with color

01:12:24.800 of skin

01:12:25.360 but the system

01:12:27.020 you don't go

01:12:28.380 into universities

01:12:29.040 and say

01:12:29.480 oh well

01:12:29.940 we can throw

01:12:31.380 in a bit of

01:12:32.060 cultural studies

01:12:33.900 and women's fiction

01:12:35.280 into the

01:12:36.680 disciplines of

01:12:38.200 algebra

01:12:39.320 and quantum physics

01:12:41.220 that's just

01:12:43.760 willing

01:12:44.440 insanity 0.86

01:12:45.220 you should be 0.91

01:12:47.060 talking to

01:12:47.380 Jordan Peterson

01:12:47.920 about this stuff

01:12:48.600 he's much

01:12:49.260 better at it

01:12:49.860 so we were

01:12:51.240 talking about

01:12:51.640 Jordan a little

01:12:52.140 bit before

01:12:52.620 the camera

01:12:53.460 started rolling

01:12:54.100 and I think

01:12:54.560 that he's

01:12:55.020 contributed so

01:12:55.840 much

01:12:56.180 just in

01:12:57.380 reminding us

01:12:58.680 of some

01:12:59.420 of the very

01:12:59.780 basic truths

01:13:00.540 like I know

01:13:01.380 I sent my

01:13:02.120 dad some

01:13:02.960 of his videos

01:13:03.500 when he was

01:13:03.900 just first

01:13:04.380 kind of

01:13:04.720 becoming famous

01:13:05.880 and my dad's

01:13:06.560 like I already

01:13:07.280 agree with all

01:13:07.940 this stuff

01:13:08.300 this is nothing

01:13:08.840 new to me

01:13:09.400 and to me

01:13:10.160 I'm like

01:13:10.440 well he's

01:13:10.980 saying something

01:13:11.480 that no one

01:13:12.320 else is really

01:13:12.760 saying at this

01:13:13.440 moment

01:13:13.740 I'll end it

01:13:16.040 like this

01:13:16.500 we do need

01:13:17.660 a refurbishment

01:13:18.440 and a reminder

01:13:19.500 of the things

01:13:21.320 that are true

01:13:22.200 and the things

01:13:23.700 that count

01:13:24.520 we meaning

01:13:26.220 certainly

01:13:26.640 of my generation

01:13:27.600 my fathers

01:13:29.080 it wasn't true

01:13:29.800 we grew up

01:13:31.280 without that

01:13:32.200 edge of want

01:13:33.200 or need

01:13:33.920 they didn't

01:13:35.120 have their

01:13:35.480 medicines

01:13:35.920 they didn't

01:13:36.580 have reliable

01:13:37.200 jobs

01:13:37.740 they had many

01:13:38.440 illnesses

01:13:38.900 they were truly

01:13:40.380 poor

01:13:40.880 they didn't

01:13:41.740 know if they

01:13:42.320 would ever

01:13:42.720 have any

01:13:43.720 possibility

01:13:44.580 of a good

01:13:45.140 life

01:13:45.540 and as the

01:13:46.920 40s went

01:13:47.440 to the 50s

01:13:48.060 the 60s

01:13:48.620 and all

01:13:49.340 western culture

01:13:50.160 came

01:13:50.620 all the toys

01:13:51.860 the computers

01:13:52.700 wealth

01:13:53.920 as other

01:13:54.600 portions of the

01:13:55.380 world

01:13:55.720 cannot even

01:13:56.700 dream of it

01:13:57.560 you carry in

01:13:58.780 your pocket

01:13:59.200 a computer

01:13:59.780 that as

01:14:00.600 the cliche

01:14:01.260 has

01:14:01.580 I could send

01:14:02.420 five missiles

01:14:03.040 to the moon

01:14:03.620 60 years ago

01:14:04.640 and we're shielded

01:14:06.380 without war

01:14:07.100 without famine

01:14:07.960 we've had it

01:14:09.300 so damn good

01:14:10.340 that we've 0.94

01:14:11.920 forgotten

01:14:12.340 that it is

01:14:13.780 transient

01:14:14.360 it has to

01:14:15.400 be supported

01:14:16.080 and the main

01:14:17.520 support of the

01:14:18.240 system we enjoy

01:14:19.180 is holding on

01:14:20.360 to reality

01:14:21.040 and truth

01:14:22.080 and stop

01:14:23.100 playing games

01:14:24.100 with each other

01:14:24.900 on false

01:14:26.040 political charges

01:14:27.260 thank you so much

01:14:29.040 Rex

01:14:29.280 it's so insightful

01:14:29.940 and we really

01:14:30.400 appreciated

01:14:30.900 every moment

01:14:31.860 of the conversation

01:14:32.680 it just had to be

01:14:33.920 a delight

01:14:34.320 thank you so

01:14:36.900 I'm very pleased

01:14:37.540 to meet you

01:14:38.000 your first class

01:14:39.060 thank you so much

The Candice Malcolm Show - September 14, 2020

Ep 11 ｜ Rex Murphy ｜ Refusing to be cancelled

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