The Candice Malcolm Show - Equity is the opposite of equality, and it has no place in our schools (Ft. Barbara Kay)

00:00:00.200 Ontario, under the leadership of a progressive, conservative government, is pushing forward one of the most destructive and frankly racist pieces of legislation in Canadian history slipped through under the guise of anti-racism.

00:00:12.800 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.

00:00:26.040 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning into the program.

00:00:28.760 So today I want to get into Bill 67 in Ontario.

00:00:32.760 It is an act to amend acts with respect to racial equity.

00:00:37.060 And I've been hearing a lot of feedback from viewers, from True North supporters who say that they want us to cover this.

00:00:42.920 This is an incredibly important bill.

00:00:45.060 Jordan Peterson had a podcast on the topic called Kill Bill 67.

00:00:49.940 He was joined by Bruce Pardee, David Haskell, professor over at Laurier, and joined by my guest today, Barbara Kay.

00:00:56.680 Barbara Kay is a columnist for the Postmillennial, for the Epoch Times.

00:01:01.140 She writes for the Western Standard Online, and she's one of the most well-known journalists and columnists in Canada.

00:01:07.180 Barbara, it's such a pleasure to have you on the show.

00:01:08.740 Thank you for joining us.

00:01:09.920 It's great to be here, Candice.

00:01:11.080 Thanks for having me.

00:01:11.840 Yeah, so I mean, I listened to your podcast with Jordan Peterson and digging into so many of the problematic elements of this bill.

00:01:19.720 I think perhaps the worst one of all is that it was proposed by an NDP MPP in Ontario, which should have been a big red flag to conservatives.

00:01:28.300 I'm not really sure how it went from being a private member's bill from an opposition left-wing NDP member to being a bill from the government.

00:01:35.980 So I'm wondering if you could help us wrap our heads around why this bill is being presented in Ontario under a conservative government.

00:01:42.580 Well, the only explanation I can think of is that like so many other politicians in so many other places, the bill, the way it was framed, it sounds like a good thing because it's about teaching students how to fight racism.

00:02:01.120 And this always sounds very good.

00:02:04.780 The key word that should have been a tip-off was the word equity, which appears 54 times in this bill, and the word equality does not even appear once.

00:02:16.780 And this is the key thing that people have to grasp, is that when you see the word equity, it has nothing to do with equality.

00:02:24.680 It has to do with a philosophy or an ideology in which racism is understood to be the default kind of environment in which both whites and people of colour live.

00:02:43.700 People of colour are always racialised, and whites who have inherent privilege are the vectors for that racism.

00:02:52.900 But that's not what I think the government understood it to be.

00:02:57.280 I think they understood it simply as a means of fighting racism.

00:03:03.520 You know, one of the things that startled me the most was that Rick Nichols, who was kicked out of the Conservative Party in Ontario for being against vaccine mandates,

00:03:13.960 and he joined the Ontario Party.

00:03:15.680 He's sitting for the Ontario Party, and he, of all people, should know the difference as a true Conservative, should know the difference.

00:03:24.400 He admitted to his party.

00:03:26.460 He voted for it.

00:03:27.740 He said, I was fooled.

00:03:28.960 I thought it's anti-racism.

00:03:32.020 He did not know the difference between the word equity and equality or what it stands for.

00:03:37.120 Well, it's funny that you mentioned Rick, so I was going to bring him up later.

00:03:41.220 That's actually the first time I heard about this bill, because I usually focus on federal politics.

00:03:45.180 I focus on Justin Trudeau and everything happening over in Ukraine.

00:03:49.040 And then a guest op-ed landed on my desk from MPP Rick Nichols.

00:03:54.740 So we published that here at True North.

00:03:56.840 He wrote, voting for critical race theory bill was a mistake.

00:03:59.780 And he laid out his thinking.

00:04:02.120 He said, on Thursday, I made a significant unintentional error when I voted in the Ontario legislature for Bill 67, the Racial Equity in Education System Act.

00:04:13.120 And then he went on to explain exactly what you just said, that he didn't quite read it carefully enough, or he understood equity to mean equality.

00:04:20.880 Now he realizes it's different.

00:04:21.920 And he sort of talked about the two main thinkers behind critical race theory, which we talk about a lot on the show here, because it's such a concern.

00:04:31.220 But I guess that the thinking isn't prevalent yet amongst conservatives if they didn't know the difference.

00:04:37.680 Because a lot of the words, to be frank, Barbara, they sound good.

00:04:42.180 Like everyone wants to be anti-racist.

00:04:44.220 Everybody wants to fight back against true racism.

00:04:47.400 But it seems that the problem with this bill is that that's not what it does.

00:04:50.680 I want to go through some of the sort of substance of the bill so that we can all wrap our heads around what is going on here.

00:04:57.400 And basically, they could because basically what they want to do is create these kind of re-education training camps for teachers, compelling them and requiring them to be steeped in this leftist ideology.

00:05:08.580 So there's a professional development program on anti-racism, which would establish and provide annual professional development programs to educate teachers and other staff of the board about promoting racial equity

00:05:19.380 and developing the necessary tools to address racism, how racial disturbances.

00:05:24.180 So they're going to introduce fines of up to $200 for anyone who disrupts or attempts to disrupt the proceedings of a school or class through the use of racist language and engaging in racist activities,

00:05:39.520 which again sounds good, but the definitions are what is important, anti-racism competencies.

00:05:46.120 So teachers will be appraised, a performance appraisal will include competencies related to a teacher's anti-racism awareness and the teacher's efforts to promote racial equity.

00:05:58.300 There's a board racial equity plan, every board shall establish a racial equity plan for the schools of the board and require its schools to implement the plan.

00:06:07.500 I could go on and on. There's about 10 of these or more.

00:06:10.740 And so the idea is really to just steep these schools in this sort of perverse leftist ideology.

00:06:16.520 So maybe you can help us really understand a bit better what this ideology seeks to accomplish.

00:06:21.700 Well, what it seeks to accomplish is the idea that there is a power structure that has to be disrupted, to be broken down, to be...

00:06:37.040 This is a revolutionary kind of ideology in the sense that they think our present society is a very bad one

00:06:47.400 because it's established on principles that are white, that are based in white history and white power structures,

00:06:59.400 the enlightenment values of evidence-based knowledge and due process.

00:07:04.980 And a lot of the liberal principles that we take for granted are considered to be wrong

00:07:10.900 because they are modern ideas rather than postmodern ideas.

00:07:18.240 You know, I don't think this is the time to...

00:07:20.240 I mean, and I can't even explain it as well as people who really studied this for a very long time.

00:07:26.740 And I would encourage people to go to James Lindsay's website, newdiscourses.com,

00:07:32.240 if you want to know everything there is to know about critical race theory

00:07:35.280 and how it's implemented in schools and other institutions.

00:07:39.020 It's in all institutions now.

00:07:40.480 People are forced to take courses in which they admit their white privilege.

00:07:45.920 They admit that they have power because they are white. 0.86

00:07:51.460 Whiteness is considered a kind of original sin. 0.72

00:07:56.640 In the bill, which you read parts of, two things should jump out.

00:08:00.820 One, the failure to define anything.

00:08:04.920 It's all very vague.

00:08:06.880 What is a disturbance?

00:08:09.020 They say that racism is a socially constructed...

00:08:15.480 What does that mean, socially constructed?

00:08:18.220 And it can be experienced consciously or subconsciously.

00:08:22.580 Well, when you start saying that people's innermost thoughts,

00:08:26.400 that they aren't even aware of themselves,

00:08:28.360 are subject to investigation and punishment,

00:08:32.520 who decides on whether you're a racist or not?

00:08:36.280 Well, the person who says they feel offended by some remark you've made.

00:08:40.880 You notice, too, that there's one group that's missing.

00:08:44.100 They say this bill is going to combat...

00:08:46.740 It's going to be anti-racism, anti-Islamophobia, anti-this, anti-that.

00:08:52.940 The one group that is anti-Asianism,

00:08:56.200 but anti-Caucasianism, that's not in there because that is whites are going to...

00:09:02.660 Whiteness is the one evil that everybody is encouraged to be hostile to

00:09:10.960 because it's the root of why racialized people are disadvantaged in society.

00:09:16.720 That's the idea.

00:09:17.480 So if the outcomes of all these different races are not exactly the same or better

00:09:23.540 than white people's outcomes, then the problem is racism, and that's the only problem.

00:09:30.320 It's a really terrible ideology.

00:09:33.320 Right, yeah.

00:09:33.680 And just to go back to the idea that MPP Nichols voted for it,

00:09:37.720 it's like, exactly, you read these definitions,

00:09:39.860 and I'll just read them here because I have them right in front of me.

00:09:41.840 So they describe anti-racism, which means the policy of opposing racism,

00:09:46.160 including anti-Indigenous racism, anti-Black racism, anti-Asian racism,

00:09:50.440 anti-Semitism, and Islamophobia.

00:09:52.600 And then it describes racism.

00:09:54.380 It means the use of socially constructed ideas of race to justify or support,

00:09:59.980 whether consciously or subconsciously, the notion that one race is superior to another.

00:10:05.600 So it puts right in there this idea that race is socially constructed.

00:10:10.100 But then in the anti-racism definition, it specifically lists all these races.

00:10:15.700 So it's like, well, wait a minute, is race socially constructed?

00:10:18.520 And then to a broader point, Barbara, Canada has always been a pluralistic, diverse country.

00:10:25.400 It was never one group of people that settled and had the country, right?

00:10:29.360 It was always a mix of First Nations, French, English, and in English, it was Scottish, English, Irish.

00:10:36.260 And then obviously in the 20th century, we had huge influx of immigrants from all over the world.

00:10:43.340 There are so many different cultures that live harmoniously side by side in Canada.

00:10:47.540 Even just taking all of the different European groups that settled in Canada

00:10:52.460 and putting this clunky title whiteness on them,

00:10:55.980 it misses so much because there's a big difference between someone who just moved here from Eastern Europe like yesterday

00:11:03.880 and hasn't acclimatized to Canada yet, hasn't integrated,

00:11:07.140 and someone who might be of Chinese origin, but their family came over four or five generations ago

00:11:13.620 and they've accustomed to Canada, they've established themselves here.

00:11:17.760 Like, there's so much that's missing from this very simplistic group mentality that is placed on to Canada.

00:11:24.800 I wonder if you could comment on that.

00:11:26.260 Yes, because the idea that you're not an individual, you know, Martin Luther King pretty well said it all for all time.

00:11:32.800 I'm not interested in the color of your skin. 1.00

00:11:34.540 I'm interested in the content of your character.

00:11:36.620 And at that time, he expressed the liberal, the classic liberal,

00:11:41.940 what we now call conservative because we conservatives are basically classic liberals.

00:11:46.720 And that should have defined for all time what should be our ideal,

00:11:52.000 to judge people by their individual characteristics and not by the...

00:11:57.440 But he's old school.

00:11:59.820 That is so out.

00:12:01.780 The opposite is true now.

00:12:03.440 You are a representative of your identity.

00:12:06.900 And if you don't have the correct thoughts that go along with your identity,

00:12:11.220 then you lose that affiliation.

00:12:13.880 It's kind of interesting that, you know, Blacks are all supposed to feel racialized. 0.65

00:12:18.900 But if they insist that they don't and that they've succeeded very well in our society

00:12:24.280 because of our liberal principles, then they suddenly lose their Blackness or they have false consciousness 1.00

00:12:31.080 or they have been brainwashed by, you know, whites to carry water for whiteness.

00:12:42.220 So this is a very Marxist idea that you are a member of the ownership class or the working class.

00:12:49.600 Or it's just, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, it's, they've turned the economic paradigm into a cultural paradigm.

00:12:56.780 So now it's, you are a function.

00:13:00.840 You function according to your group.

00:13:02.660 That's such a pernicious ideology because it's very patronizing and infantilizing to people of color, 1.00

00:13:09.940 assuming that they can never get ahead unless there's huge state interference in order to give them a special leg up.

00:13:18.860 And it's also hugely insulting to people of color, like South Asians and Asians, other Asians,

00:13:26.500 who have done extremely well because they have taken advantage of the opportunities that our country,

00:13:35.100 our democracies give everyone, and they have applied their own work ethic and their ambitions.

00:13:43.020 And, you know, they're not interested in microaggressions or anything else.

00:13:46.280 And they've gotten ahead and they are, have succeeded actually statistically better than the average white person.

00:13:53.460 And they too are problematic.

00:13:55.820 So they are totally, you know, they're considered to be white adjacent or they have other explanations.

00:14:02.420 The point is that students are going to be punished for having thoughts that normally we would consider normal

00:14:11.220 in a society that values critical thinking.

00:14:14.740 And they will not be allowed to say that this word disturbances or disruptions, it's not defined, is it?

00:14:21.080 But I can tell you what it will be.

00:14:22.680 It will be somebody who will say in a classroom, well, I don't really believe that, you know,

00:14:30.080 a man can actually become a woman. 0.72

00:14:32.320 I mean, I guess a man could identify as a woman, but he can't really become a woman. 0.77

00:14:36.620 That will be considered a disturbance and he will be punished.

00:14:40.740 Or I don't believe that the residential schools were really what you would call a genocide.

00:14:46.380 That will be considered a disturbance.

00:14:48.860 You know, we can go on and on.

00:14:50.400 Um, it's, it's, it's just so pernicious and it will, it will, it will actually smother,

00:14:57.800 uh, a student's, um, inclination, nevermind ability.

00:15:02.040 You can't develop a skill unless you exercise it.

00:15:05.760 But if you've, if it's been smothered, if then you will never even know what that skill is.

00:15:12.380 You will never even, you'll stop wanting it.

00:15:14.960 You'll stop, you'll stop, you know, if you don't allow a child to throw a ball between

00:15:20.380 the ages of five and eight, that child will never be able to develop a really good throwing

00:15:25.560 arm, uh, and that's what they're doing to these children or they're, they would, they

00:15:29.680 are going to do if this bill passes.

00:15:31.420 So I've, I've just, um, it's one of the most disturbing, um, bills I've ever seen.

00:15:38.760 And, and, uh, I know Jordan Peterson, uh, felt exactly the same way.

00:15:43.020 And that's why he organized that podcast very quickly.

00:15:45.760 Uh, and it went on and it's sort of, that bill was introduced under the radar.

00:15:50.260 Uh, and as you say, from a radical leftist who was known at Laurier University for being

00:15:56.880 radical, even by Laurier's far leftist, uh, uh, attitudes towards equity, diversity,

00:16:05.700 and inclusion and all the rest, and nobody knows that better than Lindsay Shepard, you

00:16:10.580 know, who, who, uh, was the, uh, the first victim.

00:16:14.900 Yes, she was.

00:16:15.720 And she was the victim of, of the person who introduced the bill 67.

00:16:19.380 The, she was the victim of her policy, her policy on sexual violence, sexual violence. 1.00

00:16:26.360 Um, and it was considered then radical, even by Laurier standards.

00:16:30.940 Uh, so if the people of Ontario, if the parents of Ontario don't wake up and let their MPPs

00:16:39.940 know and let Doug Ford know and let, I don't know what happened to his minister of education,

00:16:44.920 Stephen Lecce, who, um, and Sam Oosterhoff, who's supposed to be, that's right.

00:16:50.080 He's supposed to be like a true, true blue conservative.

00:16:52.460 He endorsed this bill.

00:16:54.300 What, maybe you could get him on your show and ask him, ask him what the hell he was

00:16:59.220 thinking.

00:17:00.080 Well, that's a great, that's a great suggestion because he was sort of a young, outspoken MPP.

00:17:04.900 I think he was elected when he was still a teenager, if I remember incorrectly.

00:17:08.940 And part of the reason that the progressive conservatives and Doug Ford became so popular

00:17:14.220 and got, frankly, got elected was because they were pushing back against the former premier

00:17:18.960 of Ontario, Kathleen Wynne and her pernicious sex ed program.

00:17:23.260 And this government was supposed to be the ones that were pushing back against radical

00:17:28.180 leftism in our education system.

00:17:30.480 So it, it, it really is remarkable that they would, you know, champion this, this NDP bill.

00:17:36.620 And, and especially with the background that you're describing with, with Lindsay Shepard

00:17:40.380 and that whole ordeal, which Lindsay wrote a great book about for, for us here at True

00:17:43.960 North, um, called Diversity and Exclusion.

00:17:45.980 I loved it.

00:17:46.520 It was a great book.

00:17:47.120 She recounts every, every single thing that happened and it's just absolutely wild.

00:17:51.240 The ideology, the bullying, uh, the, the way that she was treated, but I'm wondering

00:17:55.300 because what we've seen in recent years in the United States where, you know, basically

00:17:59.680 this, this ideology has just been wholesale imported into Canada.

00:18:03.100 It's an American ideology addressing American issues.

00:18:06.340 Uh, I mentioned that, uh, Rick Nichols op-ed that he wrote for us, he, he, he, he looked at

00:18:11.080 the two sort of founding thinkers, uh, Robin DiAngelo, uh, who wrote a book called

00:18:15.220 white fragility and then Abram X.

00:18:17.040 Kennedy who wrote a book called how to be an anti-racist.

00:18:19.280 And I know he also has a children's book, uh, called anti-racist baby, uh, which I will

00:18:23.320 not be reading to my little kids.

00:18:25.340 But, uh, Abram X.

00:18:26.940 Kennedy wrote that the only remedy to racist discrimination is anti-racist discrimination.

00:18:31.280 So he's outright calling for discrimination against, uh, white people.

00:18:35.040 Anyway, in, in the U S, you know, we saw a, uh, conservative Republican governor get elected

00:18:40.440 in Virginia, which is usually a pretty solid blue state.

00:18:43.000 Uh, we've seen, uh, many states, including Montana, Florida, all these states pushing

00:18:47.040 forward bills to prevent and stop the teaching of this, this really, uh, racist theory in their

00:18:54.140 schools.

00:18:54.440 How come parents in Canada haven't had the same kind of, uh, uprising and the same kind

00:19:00.200 of outrage over, uh, the fundamental racist principles being taught in schools?

00:19:04.900 Like you said, both really harmful to young, um, children of color who come from backgrounds 1.00

00:19:10.340 where they're now told by the school that you can't succeed because the system is against

00:19:14.580 you.

00:19:14.920 No matter what you do, uh, you'll always be held back.

00:19:17.360 And to young white students saying that there's something inherently wrong with you because

00:19:21.940 of your skin color.

00:19:22.760 I mean, I can't think of a worse way to divide and, and, and teach kids.

00:19:26.760 Why isn't there more pushback from, from parents in this country?

00:19:29.720 You're right.

00:19:30.020 It is actually teaching hatred between groups, uh, not just divisive.

00:19:33.380 It's, it's actually encouraging, uh, perpetual hate on one side and resentment and perpetual

00:19:38.780 guilt and resentment on the other side.

00:19:41.560 Uh, why?

00:19:43.120 Well, Canadians, uh, seem to be addicted to niceness and they've interpreted, uh, this movement as a 0.51

00:19:50.900 way to be nice to racialized people, uh, they've drunk the Kool-Aid. 0.99

00:19:56.000 Um, I mean, I, I, I, I'm sorry to keep harping on Rick Nichols, but it's a perfect symbol of

00:20:03.080 if he can be hoodwinked, if he can be gaslighted and they're so clever.

00:20:08.440 These words are so, they're so adorable.

00:20:11.900 Equity.

00:20:12.460 It sounds so great.

00:20:13.500 Diversity, inclusion.

00:20:15.400 These are all weasel words.

00:20:17.740 They all mean the opposite of what they sound like.

00:20:21.120 They mean equity is the opposite of equality.

00:20:24.260 Diversity, uh, is, is the opposite of diversity of opinion.

00:20:28.900 It's, it's, it's actually, uh, the kiss of death to critical thinking and inclusion means

00:20:35.960 exclusion for, uh, people who, who aren't, uh, intersectionally, um, you know, on the

00:20:43.860 list of official victimhood.

00:20:45.680 Uh, so they're all weasel words and they're all very, very illiberal, very anti-classic

00:20:52.140 liberalism, but Canadians, I'm sorry to say, are easily hoodwinked.

00:20:57.680 They are, they have a tendency to, uh, they, this, this addiction to niceness turns them

00:21:05.860 into sheeple.

00:21:07.200 Um, and, um, I, I, it's sad to say, oh, you deserve what you get, but the trouble is that

00:21:12.520 a lot of people that don't deserve it are swept along because there isn't a critical mass

00:21:16.760 of, of, uh, parents, parents who have, who, well, I shouldn't say not everybody because

00:21:23.260 some people are uniting under FAIR, uh, this organization that shows parents how to organize

00:21:29.320 and how to make their voices heard.

00:21:30.660 So forgive me.

00:21:31.580 I don't mean to be criticizing you.

00:21:33.360 You're doing a great job, but there's not enough of you.

00:21:36.040 Um, so I'm sorry to use this as a pulpit, but I'm, I'm so agitated by this bill and so,

00:21:42.280 so annoyed at, at Canadians who are so trusting of the state that they actually, uh, it does this,

00:21:51.420 that this does not arouse their curiosity, let alone, um, their, their alarm.

00:21:57.640 And I guess that's my message today.

00:21:59.540 Well, it's sort of like, you know, we, we, uh, go along to get along until we reach a point

00:22:04.780 where we can't go along anymore.

00:22:05.780 And I think we, we recently saw that with the trucker convoy, at least initially, you

00:22:10.360 know, for two long years, we went along with these draconian, uh, contradictory, hypocritical

00:22:14.840 policies.

00:22:15.460 It didn't really make any sense, but we had this sort of like collective idea that we were all

00:22:19.920 in it together and we were going to do what was necessary.

00:22:23.200 Yeah.

00:22:23.320 But look at, look at the punishment that rained down on, on the freedom convoy and is still,

00:22:28.460 uh, we're still seeing the fallout from that.

00:22:31.640 Um, so yeah, uh, it's great that people did, you know, kind of kick back, but then what was

00:22:39.180 the message that a lot of people are taking from the freedom convoy?

00:22:42.480 Well, if you do that, you're going to get, uh, punished with an act, the emergencies act,

00:22:47.760 the, I mean, your bank account frozen.

00:22:52.240 How many people, how many people took courage from the freedom convoy and how many people

00:22:57.400 took the message?

00:22:58.400 Ooh, uh, I guess I don't want to be part of a movement that, um, you know, uh, that, that,

00:23:06.480 that is very public about demanding my rights because my rights could be taken away.

00:23:12.240 Uh, and I think that's unfortunately the message that a lot of Canadians took from the convoy.

00:23:18.400 I think you're right.

00:23:19.480 And I think that was the purpose of Justin Trudeau using heavy handed force against

00:23:23.760 those protesters was to, to, to, to put a chill in, in, in, in the minds of Canadians,

00:23:29.000 because I, we had it ourselves here, Barbara, where we're getting messages from supporters

00:23:33.180 saying, you know, if I donate to true North, will I have my bank account frozen?

00:23:37.420 And it's like, it's like, all they have to do is plant that seed of doubt in people's

00:23:41.760 minds and, and conservative groups will take a hit because no one wants to do something

00:23:46.760 that subsequently a month later is deemed to be illegal or something like that, or, or

00:23:52.020 extremist.

00:23:52.700 And then all of a sudden have to live with the repercussions for years to come.

00:23:55.900 People like, people like Trudeau think we're in a war and, and what he did was as good as

00:24:01.640 put sanctions on people who support, uh, people like you.

00:24:07.480 Um, and, uh, he, if the idea is, uh, if you cut off the money, you shut down, you shut down

00:24:16.220 the problem.

00:24:17.200 Um, so he made no bones about it.

00:24:20.040 And, and the number of times that he alluded to people who support the freedom convoy or people

00:24:25.080 in the convoy as Nazis or Nazi adjacent Nazi, this Nazi, that's Wastikas when that was such 0.97

00:24:31.460 a ridiculously nugatory, uh, little sidebar to the whole thing was disgusting to me.

00:24:39.340 It was, um, it was such a calculated, such a calculated, uh, um, strategy for branding,

00:24:48.180 uh, a segment of the Canadian population as people that, uh, you are allowed to hate because

00:24:57.600 who's the worst, who are the worst people in the world?

00:25:00.060 Nazis, right?

00:25:01.260 So we can hate Nazis.

00:25:03.320 So you can hate these people.

00:25:04.800 And, and I'm giving my blessing to that.

00:25:07.400 He is a horrible prime minister in that respect.

00:25:11.660 He is the most divisive prime minister we've ever had.

00:25:15.000 Um, and unfortunately, uh, the message that, that, that too many people have taken is, uh,

00:25:22.480 oh, I'll, I'll, I'll, I'll be good.

00:25:25.040 Don't worry.

00:25:25.600 I won't be one of the people that you're going to call a Nazi or an adjacent Nazi or

00:25:31.360 marching with Nazis. 0.56

00:25:33.000 No, no, no, I don't.

00:25:34.120 I'll, I, I'm better than that.

00:25:35.860 I'm a good Canadian.

00:25:36.860 I'm, you know.

00:25:38.920 Well, and I, and I think that's right.

00:25:40.600 Like so many, I mean, my own grandparents and people in my family went to fight against

00:25:45.360 Nazis in world war II.

00:25:46.680 So the whole idea that somehow people standing up for basic freedoms today have anything to

00:25:51.960 do with that ideology is so, to me, it's so, it's so untrue, Barbara, that I couldn't even

00:25:57.340 take it seriously.

00:25:58.020 Like when he said it, I laughed and I'm like, really, he's going to try with this.

00:26:00.780 Like, I think even members of his adoring legacy media thought that he sort of jumped the shark

00:26:05.320 with that one.

00:26:06.180 But then I, I, you know, I read, I read a lot online and I read message boards and stuff.

00:26:09.700 It's like, you know, there, there was something that stuck about that because the media for,

00:26:13.920 for five years has been pushing this idea that the conservatives and the right are kind

00:26:18.140 of flirting with the far right and the extreme right.

00:26:20.200 And that means racial nationalism or something like that.

00:26:23.100 You know, even though the people that they accuse of doing that, it's patently true that

00:26:27.080 they don't do that.

00:26:28.600 But, you know, they'll find one example of one thing that someone said and, and kind of

00:26:32.320 use that to paint the entire group.

00:26:33.840 And I mean, it's the same, it's the same kind of problem as, as this bill with sort of

00:26:38.480 the chilling of speech, the saying that certain things are not acceptable to talk about

00:26:42.400 in our society and that certain people are just beyond the pale and, and they can't.

00:26:45.780 Well, I mean, he said things that I, I like, seriously, if, if they were said by Donald

00:26:51.180 Trump, like, how long will we tolerate these people?

00:26:54.480 This is unacceptable.

00:26:56.740 Yeah.

00:26:57.100 That was about the anti people who don't want to get vaccinated.

00:26:59.700 He called them racist and said that we should.

00:27:01.300 Yeah.

00:27:01.580 Like they're, they're, they, these people are, you know, this idea that, uh, they're

00:27:07.100 unhygienic, they're unhygienic.

00:27:09.300 They are, uh, and I'm not, I, I, in fact, I've written that we can't keep calling anybody

00:27:15.160 a Nazi that, you know, but, but certainly, uh, one way of, of, of segregating a portion

00:27:22.480 of the population is to insinuate, to imply that their ideas, their ways, their behavior

00:27:31.380 are a form of, um, uh, that they are bringing a certain germ into the purity of the public

00:27:44.580 forum.

00:27:45.260 You know, we, the good people in this country are all getting vaccinated because we believe

00:27:51.380 in moral hygiene and physical hygiene.

00:27:55.740 Like it's, it's a form of hygiene.

00:27:59.180 Uh, so you want to paint people as bad, you paint them as a form of dirt in some way.

00:28:07.440 They're bringing dirt into the house, into the, and then I, I didn't, I didn't laugh

00:28:12.820 at him with all that talk.

00:28:15.160 I didn't laugh at all because I could see it for the tactic that it was.

00:28:18.860 I could even imagine him sort of discussing it with some of his, you know, uh, the people

00:28:24.820 with whom he discusses things to, to, uh, decide how he's going to, uh, frame an issue.

00:28:32.900 I, I, um, he's not as, he's not a stupid man.

00:28:37.120 Um, and he's very determined to, uh, he's got his legacy, his vision of, of what he wants

00:28:44.940 to, he wants to change this country, um, along, you know, to, to meet his own, uh, dreams

00:28:53.580 and expectations.

00:28:54.660 And, um, I have to say, uh, a lot of Canadians are, are allowing him, you know, they're supporting

00:29:03.420 him and we've, we've got him for so long because we've deserved him as a collective.

00:29:09.840 We've kept him in power.

00:29:12.200 Um, it's well, that's, that's, that's democracy, right?

00:29:18.360 Yeah, you know, they always say you get the government that you deserve.

00:29:22.240 Well, hopefully with a conservative leadership race on the horizon, uh, something new will

00:29:27.240 get offered and Canadians can have a real meaningful choice, uh, in the next election.

00:29:31.980 Let us hope.

00:29:33.080 Okay, Barbara.

00:29:33.800 Well, I really appreciate your insight on bill 67.

00:29:36.040 I think that there's something to, uh, what you have done because, uh, Jordan Peterson and

00:29:40.480 yourself came out really against this bill and it seems to be stalled.

00:29:44.700 I know, I know it's, it's over in committee, it passed first reading and second reading

00:29:47.900 and then, and then that's when you guys started covering it and now it's sort of stalled.

00:29:51.900 So maybe the government will quietly make this bill go away because of, uh, the, the, uh,

00:29:56.760 you know, raising of the alarm that you've done.

00:29:58.520 So, uh, we appreciate that and we appreciate, uh, your time, uh, and coming on TrueNorth today.

00:30:03.600 Absolutely.

00:30:04.080 My pleasure.

00:30:04.840 Uh, great to be with you, Candace.

00:30:06.780 All right.

00:30:07.600 Thank you so much.

00:30:08.280 That's Barbara Kay. 0.89

00:30:08.980 I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is the Candace Malcolm Show.

00:30:14.700 Thank you.

The Candice Malcolm Show - March 17, 2022

Equity is the opposite of equality, and it has no place in our schools (Ft. Barbara Kay)

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