EXCLUSIVE： Govt HIDING migrant data + Poilievre calls for END to temporary foreign worker program
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In order to have a better idea of how many people are in your country illegally, you have to track not just those who are entering the country, but those leaving. Well, for years and years, Canada didn t do that. But starting in 2020, the Canadian government began tracking exit visas and exit data on people leaving the country. But when we asked the Canadian Border Service Agency for that data, they replied and told us that the aggregate data is not publicly available.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for
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you today, folks. We have Michelle Rempel-Garner, Conservative Immigration Critic, Shadow Minister,
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joining us to talk about the temporary foreign worker announcement from her party yesterday.
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But before we get into that, we are going to break some news here on The Candice Malcolm
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Show. We usually just talk about the news, comment on the news today. We are breaking
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some original reporting, which is that the government of Canada has begun to track exit
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visas and exit data on people leaving the country. This is something that Canada should
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have been doing for a very long time. In order to have an idea of how many people are in your
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country illegally, you have to track not just those who are entering the country, but also
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those who are exiting the country. Well, for years and years, Canada didn't do that. But
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The Candice Malcolm Show has learned that starting in 2020, the Canadian government began tracking
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exit visas and exit data so that we would have some idea of how many people are leaving the
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country. But get this, folks, when we asked the Canadian Border Service Agency for that
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data, they replied and told us that the aggregate data is not publicly available. In other words,
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they are blocking the public from knowing how many people are properly exiting the country
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and how many people are here illegally. So let me just read what the CBSA told us.
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Quote, the Canadian Border Service Agency collects biographical information when travelers enter Canada
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and also collects exit information in the land and air modes. Entry and exit data is pulled and used to
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support officers' work on a case-by-case basis. Aggregate data on specific cohorts, including
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international students and temporary foreign workers, is not available. So in other words, the government
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has the data to know how many and whether temporary workers are actually leaving the country when their
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visas expire, but they aren't sharing it. They don't want you to know. They don't want the public to know.
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They would not let us here at Juno News have this information. Why not? Well, maybe because it shows
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that these temporary workers aren't leaving as planned and as scheduled. Remember the story that
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came out in November of 2024 that Ottawa's immigration plan for 2025 assumes that 1.2 million
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temporary residents will leave the country once their visas expire. It's based on trust, purely trust.
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We don't have enforcement methods. We're not going to do deportations. We're just going to sit back
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and hope that the 1.2 million people whose temporary status will expire will just pick up and leave.
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Do you know what, folks? There was a document that came out in March 2025 that showed that according to
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a federal government briefing, there is an estimated upwards of 500,000 undocumented people in Canada.
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In other words, over half a million illegal immigrants. And this doesn't even include
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people who are making asylum claims. So people who enter the country illegally, people who cross the
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border illegally at places like Roxham Road and put asylum claims down or people who come from other
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countries on vacation or to visit family and then they don't want to leave. So they become an asylum
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seeker. They say, I'm a refugee. It takes years and years and years for their system, for their paperwork to
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get processed and for their case to be heard by a judge. Those people aren't even included in that
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half million figure. So the idea is that there's actually probably way more than that. Another
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stat for you here, as of July 2025, there were 291,000 asylum claims awaiting decision. This compared
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to 232,000 one year earlier. And the asylum claim queue has nearly tripled in two years. You know,
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back when Stephen Harper was prime minister, they made changes to the immigration system. I worked for
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the government at that time in the immigration office. And the year that those changes were made,
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we had about 10,000 asylum seekers, 10,000, 15,000 asylum seekers each year because we closed loopholes.
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We put visas on countries that sent a lot of asylum seekers and people asking for refugee status.
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And so we had the number down to 15,000 a year. And it is now almost 300,000 people coming to Canada
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and asking for asylum. It is unbelievable. Another story for you, Judo News broke this one. In July 2025,
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border authorities unable to locate nearly 600 criminals due to deportation. So the system is
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an absolute mess. You can't even deport people convicted of crimes, foreigners who should not
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be in this country in the first place. And you can just see how, you know, they're starting to track
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it. So they have the interest in fixing the system, but they don't want the public to know. All right,
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folks, I am very pleased to introduce the guest on today's show, who is Michelle Rumpel-Garner.
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Michelle is the Conservative Member of Parliament for Calgary Nose Hill, and she has done an incredible
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job on this file of immigration. She is the Shadow Minister for Immigration, and she has been working
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and pushing on the temporary foreign worker program to be abolished. Michelle, welcome to the show.
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Thank you so much. Congratulations on all your work on this file. It was great to see Pierre's
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It was. And I just want to give a big shout out to, there's a lot of staff here in Ottawa that work
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really hard on this. They've been working all summer with me, getting ready for the fall. And,
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you know, yesterday's announcement's the first of several that we'll be making
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on this really important file. It's affecting a lot of Canadians.
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And so what is your reaction to the news that we just broke, that the Canadian Border Service
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Agency is tracking exit information, collecting exit data, but they will not share it with us
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This is so frustrating, Candice. Why wouldn't they share this? Conservatives, obviously we support
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measures to have more transparency and data like this because it impacts so many different areas
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of public policy, right? Like, for example, just the most basic question, how can the government
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set immigration levels for the future if they don't know how many people have overstayed their visa
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and are in the country or are left? And then, you know, the other thing I would point to is
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back in June, I asked the immigration minister if the Liberals had a plan to remove people from the
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country that we know already don't have any legal reason to be here. And the answer was kind of,
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so how can we measure success, even if they had a plan, if we don't know what that data is? So there
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needs to be more transparency. We'll definitely be pushing for that. And that data should be public.
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It's absolutely ridiculous. So good for you guys for doing that digging. It's something I'll
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certainly be following up on using my parliamentary tools. But, you know, it shouldn't take our
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combined efforts. The government should just be doing this, right?
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One hundred percent. One hundred percent. OK, let's get the audience up to speed on what happened
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yesterday. So, folks, speaking in Mississauga at a press conference yesterday, Conservative leader
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Pierre Polyev called for an end of Canada's temporary foreign worker program. Here is what that looked
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like. The time has come for decisive action to stop the Liberals from using our immigration system
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to pad the pockets of corporate elites and other insiders at the expense of Canadian jobs. Again,
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the principle is very simple. The principle is very simple. Canadian jobs for Canadian workers. Canada
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first, Canada always. That's why Conservatives are calling on the Carney government to permanently
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scrap the temporary foreign worker program and to stop issuing visas for any new temporary foreign
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workers coming into the country. So I'm going to play a few more clips in a moment, Michelle,
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but I want to just get your comment on the temporary foreign worker program because it was a program that
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was in place in the Harper years when Harper was prime minister, but it has just exploded under the
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Trudeau government and now continued under Mark Carney. The whole concept never really made sense to me,
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right? It's like if we have an immigration system where we want to welcome people into the Canadian
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community, we want them to become Canadians. That's part of our story as a country. And so it's like
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come to Canada, yes, and join the family, right? Become a citizen. And that's always sort of what the
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Liberals push. They shortened the amount of time that you had to spend before you could become
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citizen. And yet on the other hand, they're creating this sort of temporary scheme where you
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have an underclass of people that don't really have political rights. They're not really part of the
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community. And yet they're sort of like undercutting wages for young Canadians. They're, I mean, so many
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companies just sort of take advantage of this program. And so I'm wondering, like, how did it get
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this way? Why do we have a temporary foreign program in the first place? And why did the Liberals,
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you know, blow it so out of proportion? I was so excited to talk to you specifically about this
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issue because you and I were both kind of around when Jason Kenney made the reforms that he did to
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the program in 2014. It was like massive pearl clutching from some of the big lobby groups that
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depend on this. They use the program as a crutch to maximize profit, to essentially have government
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sanctioned indentured labor. And the reforms that Jason made back in the day, the Liberals,
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almost one of the first things they did was to reverse all of them. And not only reverse them,
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but like juice them. So, you know, what you said was absolutely accurate. The program morphed into this
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system where I don't think it's hyperbole to say that it actually normalized the existence
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of a temporary low wage foreign underclass in the country. And that's both exploitative to the people
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who are coming to the country. And because I'm not sure if your listeners know, like if you come to
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the country under on a temporary foreign work permit, you're actually for the most part, in most cases,
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tied to one employer. So this is why like the UN, the UN called it akin to slavery. Then to your point,
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it suppresses wages, right? Like obviously it's going to suppress wages. It takes away
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opportunities from young Canadians. And, you know, you hear the Liberals, you hear other people
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talking about how artificial intelligence is disrupting the economy, how the economy is sort
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of teetering on a recessionary precipice right now. Well, why not do the one thing that is in
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control of the government, which is to abolish this program that is completely negative all the way
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around. So, you know, it's there's no reasons for its existence today that youth unemployment's
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through the roof. You were talking about that. There's a large pool of unemployed labor, particularly
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young people in the country. Let wages, you know, get back to where they need to be. Let Canadians have
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Canadian jobs and let's bet on our kids in this country instead of allowing companies to, you know,
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exploit foreign workers on a temporary basis. You're spot on. Well, I want to play Prime
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Minister Mark Carney because he was at the Liberal Party's cabinet retreat in Toronto yesterday. He
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was sort of like nonchalant. He was like, well, businesses want it. And so that's why we're going
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to keep it. Let's play this clip from yesterday. Mr. Polly, I've called this morning on the government
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to scrap the temporary foreign worker program. Is it time to shut the program down?
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Well, I would say the following, which is that that program has a role. It has to be focused
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in terms of its role. And it's part of what we're viewing as part of what we will be discussing
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how well the temporary foreign worker program is working and how our overall immigration system
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is working. When I talk to businesses around the country, especially, particularly in Quebec,
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but elsewhere across the country, their number one issue is tariffs and their number two issue
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is access to temporary foreign workers. So what's your response to that, Michelle?
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I mean, what did you think? So what I took from that was, here's this guy that's so out of touch
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that he doesn't understand. Has he read about, you know, the hundreds of resumes that kids have
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been putting out this summer and not even getting a nibble back? No, he's like, no, well, you know,
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I'm listening to businesses who use this as a profit maximizing wage suppressing tool.
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That's their number one thing. Like, it's like, yeah, sure. I'm sure all these lobby groups are
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up in his grill asking for these things, but who's standing up for Canadian workers? And like,
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there has to be a paradigm shift. This is government sanctioned wage suppression. And like,
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Candace, honestly, I could not believe he walked into that yesterday. Like he walked into it.
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And we were all shocked here. We're like, I cannot, did he actually just say that? And he did. So
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yeah, we are going to like ram that clip down his throat for the rest of the fall, because he needs
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to be standing up for Canadian workers. And if he's, I'm sorry, I got to get this rant out. If he's
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supposedly standing up for like a one Canada economy, why wouldn't you be doing more things to,
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you know, address labor mobility? Why would you be having this program that
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suppresses that? Anyway, like, yes, rant, rant reaction to his.
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I love it. I love it, Michelle. Well, you know, it does. When I saw that, I was like,
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doesn't he have staff that kind of brief him in advance to say like, hey, Mr. Prime Minister,
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maybe we should at least not sound like Mr. Burns when you're responding to it's like, well,
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the big companies told me to do it. So I'm going to do it. It's like, just totally out of touch with
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the Canadian public. And, you know, most people, I hear about it a lot that, you know, when you walk
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into a restaurant, you walk into Tim Hortons, or you walk into a fast food place, it used to be
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filled with Canadian teenagers. And some places are still like that. But instead, you just have like
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a pure lineup of people that don't really speak English very well, making you think that they're
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probably here temporarily, like you can't ever really tell. But it just seems that your jobs
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that used to be held universally by young Canadians are now universally held by foreigners. I want to
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play this clip to the audience, which is of Pierre Polyev. He was asked a similar question. What are
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businesses telling you? What is the impact on removing this temporary foreign worker program
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for businesses and consumers? And here is how he replied.
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In most cases, I don't think they do need temporary foreign workers. I think they
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hire them because they can pay them less. And it's that simple. They don't want to pay the prevailing
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wage to the Canadian worker. And so they hire someone from abroad who might be in a desperate
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situation and willing to take less. It is a very exploitative system that has allowed corporate
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elites to profit off of driving wages down and driving jobs out. And we're going to put an end to it.
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It's such an interesting juxtaposition to have the Conservative Party leader, the one speaking out
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about exploitation and helping young Canadians and have the supposed liberal, like left-leaning
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leader be the one in the pockets of foreign workers. Michelle, I'm going to get your reaction
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one of the crazy things that we reported on earlier this summer is that temporary foreign workers now
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make up nearly 20 percent of the private sector economy in this country. Nearly one in five workers in
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the private sector is temporary. You know, I'd like to hear your comments on like how this impacts
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wages and how this how this hurts young Canadians.
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So there was a StatsCan report that came out that showed in the first quarter of 2025,
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the lowest 20 percent of wage earners in Canada actually saw their wages drop. So, you know, you've got
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some of these lobby groups yesterday. I saw there was a few spinners that came out. They're like, oh, no,
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it doesn't suppress wages. Well, the data's right there. Right. And then today, Desjardins came out with a
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report, a really damning report that talked about how this program actually, you know, not only does it
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remove opportunities for students, but like it's talking about the other things we've been talking
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about here to do. So there's all sorts of proof outside of what your own eyes can see. And, you
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know, the one I was so glad PR came out on this yesterday because I think it is a it's an
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acknowledgement that our movement includes workers like working class Canadians see themselves
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represented by our party and we have to fight for them. And this is such obvious low hanging fruit.
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The one thing that, you know, I would add to what Pierre said about the wage suppression issue is
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just to reemphasize the fact that like this is indentured labor for the most part. Like why do
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people rely on TFWs or employers? Well, because it's somebody who can't complain, who is tied to a job
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for a set period of time. So when you think about what that has, the impact that has on productivity,
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on working conditions, like the impacts are so far ranging.
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You know, like the last thing is this, like we had people from across the political spectrum,
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even on the left, like the progressive left going, yeah, they're right yesterday. So
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the number of permits they should be issuing through the TFW program this year is zero.
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Well, I just I'm so happy that you've been pushing this issue and it was so great to see your party
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come on board. Because I know during the election, this wasn't the position that you took. It's too
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bad. I wish you had taken this position six months earlier. So can you explain like, what do you think
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I mean, I wasn't the immigration critic six months ago, but I'm kidding. I think that, you know,
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I really appreciate the position that the party took in the election. We had, you know,
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the fact remains, we had the best turnout of any election we've ever run in. And it was because Pierre
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was focusing on issues that are in that working class voter coalition, cost of living, you know,
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the carbon tax, crime, which will still continue focusing on homes and housing. Like those are still
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the issues of Canada. You know, I think that our Canadians, I think that right now, there's so much
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data to support this position that it's a no brainer for us to take and push on. So, you know, I
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I'm going to push back a little bit to our party has focused on immigration, you know, my predecessor,
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Tom Kimmack, who, you know, very well, he, he did a marvelous job in the last parliament showing like,
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like exposing this data, paving the runway for some of the announcements that I'm able to do too.
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So, you know, what I would say is sometimes it takes in, you know, in parliamentary, the
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parliamentary life, it takes some time to move the needle both on public perception, but also to find
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out find the right public policy path. And I want to thank everybody in my party that's worked
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so hard on that over the last several years. And here we are today. But we are going to have a very
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aggressive posture on this file. Once the House finally sits in the next week or so.
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Well, we're very much looking forward to that. I want to just share what, you know, your advocacy
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on social media has been amazing to watch on this, Michelle, really exposing the scam system, the labor
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market impact assessment program. And one of the things you post is just hilarious, that in Mark
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Kearney's own backyard in Ottawa, a Mucho Burrito is putting out a job offer for a temporary form
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worker in a city that has unemployment of 47,000 people. Youth Unemployment Ontario is 199,000
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people. And yet here is Mucho Burrito, so a fast food restaurant offering $36 an hour, 36 bucks an
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hour for a temporary form worker and claiming that a Canadian won't take that job. I'm sorry,
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$36 an hour equates to $75,000 a year. That is well above the medium income in Canada. And yet
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this company is claiming that they need a foreigner, they need someone from India to come and do this
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job is unreal. Michelle, tell us a little bit about this tweet.
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Well, you know, it's been really interesting. I actually have to give credit to a colleague in
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the OLO for just sort of pitching to me. He's like, why don't you, why don't you put out graphics
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showing this data? And it went like it exploded like wildfire. You know, I've seen so many influencers
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from across the political spectrum sort of take this up and expose all of these employers across
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the country that are doing exactly the same thing as the one that you just mentioned. There's no
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reason for these employers to be doing that given the youth unemployment stats in the country. So I think
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it's really important. And I would just encourage other people to do the same thing. There's several
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websites that are now posting these, you know, where these temporary foreign worker, these LMIA,
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these labor market impact assessment jobs are. And people should absolutely be highlighting them
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and saying, no, why, why are the liberals letting this company bring in a TFW when there are tens of
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thousands of unemployed kids in the same region? There was one in Calgary, Candace, it was a Tim Hortons,
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and I think it was like basically down the street from a high school. And it was, you know,
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looking for a TFW. There's no excuse for that. So, you know, we will continue to be pointing out
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which employers are doing this. And I would just like for employers that are listening to this,
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there is no reason for this. We've talked about, you know, there are legitimately hard to fill
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positions in agriculture and agri-food. That should be a separate stream. But like, you know,
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end the practice and come out and say, we're not going to do this anymore. We're betting on Canadian kids.
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I will celebrate those employers. I commit to that right now.
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Something you just said really stands out because it's like, let's invest in Canadian kids,
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right? Like the idea is, to your point that you made earlier about indentured servants,
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it's probably easier for a company to say, okay, I'm going to sponsor someone from India or someone
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from the Philippines who is very poor, who has very little rights when they're in Canada,
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and they can't leave my company. I know they're going to show up for work. I know that I can grind
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them and work them to the bone and pay them very little. They're not going to complain because they
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can't leave. Whereas if you have to take a bet on a young Canadian who has never had a job before,
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you know, it could go well and it could go wrong. Maybe a kid won't show up for work one day or
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something like that. But the idea is that this is our country and what's our future going to look
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like if young people don't get their first job? They don't have that experience. You know,
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as a teenager, I held many jobs. I worked at a fish and chips stand. I worked at American Eagle and
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sold jeans, right? Ice cream store. That was my...
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There you go. And that builds your character and it teaches you about accountability and it teaches
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you about teamwork and all kinds of other things. And if young Canadians aren't having that first
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opportunity, like what's our economy going to look like in 20 years? So to all these business groups
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that are saying, oh, well, we need these temporary workers. We need someone to work at Mucho Burrito,
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make $36 an hour and Canadians won't take the job. Like, no, invest in Canadians.
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And also, you know, going back to what we were talking about earlier, like normalizing
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this scenario where the government is sponsoring a permanent unlimited supply of a temporary foreign
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low-skilled underclass, that doesn't incent... It normalizes that young kids shouldn't have jobs,
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right? Like I hear from like some of these lobby groups, oh, well, kids don't show up for work and
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stuff. It's like, well, are you hiring Canadian kids? Are you trying? And I would just say like
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Canada existed and did just fine without this class of immigration before. It will be fine. Just,
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it will be just fine again. I guarantee you. You know, we had, I met some students or some young
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Canadians that are in this boat at Pierre's announcement yesterday and they were ecstatic
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that we were making this announcement. And I think that in the long run, I think the government's
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going to have to abolish this. In the long run, it'll be a very positive change just overall
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for the working paradigm that Canadians are expected to both interact with and enter.
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Well, Michelle, I really appreciate your time. Just one final question before you go. I don't know
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if you saw the news story, but Elections Canada is investigating Juneau News and our reporter
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Kim Bextie for some very thorough, well-vetted, corroborated story that he released during the
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election campaign, which embarrassed the Liberal government. And now they're coming after us.
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Yeah, I mean, I don't know all of the details of the story. Admittedly, it's been a busy week for me,
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but, you know, particularly for me and all of my conservative colleagues, we believe in free
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speech. It's why we opposed. And you've done such a good job on this, too, opposing the liberal
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censorship bills, Bill C-11, C-18. I think the, knowing what I know about the story, the part of
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the bill that they're, you know, using. Yep. Section 91. We oppose that, right? Conservatives
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did. So, you know, we stand on free speech. And, you know, the role of media in Canada is to hold
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people like me and the government to account. And, you know, you've seen the Liberals use a variety of
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mechanisms over the last several years. You know, I just mentioned two of those bills to suppress
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independent journalism, to suppress, you know, we've got news bans in Canada we never had before.
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So, you know, shout out to your listeners, make sure you subscribe and get around those news bans.
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But we have to see a change in that we won't have growth and innovation in Canada or government
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accountability if the government's, you know, primary objective is to suppress freedom of speech.
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So, you know, we're, of course, we're going to stand up for that and hold the Liberals to account.
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Well, I really appreciate your words. Michelle Rempelgarner, the MP for Calgary,
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Nose Hill, always appreciate your time and keep up the good work over there. Thank you so much.
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All right, folks, this is all the time we have for today. Thank you so much for tuning in. I'm
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Candice Malcolm. This is Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you and God bless.