The Candice Malcolm Show - Fake News Friday ｜ CBC fails to debunk “bugs conspiracy theory”

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Fake News Friday.

00:00:15.760 My name is Andrew Lawton, joined, as always, by Harrison Faulkner for another week of debunking

00:00:23.160 the much-needed debunkables that we get from a lot of mainstream media.

00:00:27.780 Harrison, how was the week? Good, sir.

00:00:29.020 It's been good. I feel good that I've now resumed my normal position on the show, Andrew,

00:00:33.240 or at least some things that are normal, because we're still in that sort of influx of co-hosts,

00:00:38.080 hosts, and all that, but it's good to be back and good to join you once again.

00:00:40.920 Yeah, we try to throw us all off kilter, so we never just get too comfortable or complacent where we are.

00:00:46.180 It's a great strategy, really. Let's talk a little bit about this one here.

00:00:49.920 So we've seen that conspiracy theorization, and I guess that's the name for when you just start

00:00:56.820 calling things conspiracy theories. It's become a favored pastime of the media.

00:01:01.500 In particular now, CBC claiming that insect protein, that eating bugs, is a conspiracy theory.

00:01:08.880 Here's the headline from an article this week,

00:01:11.280 how a London, Ontario cricket plant found itself at the heart of an international conspiracy theory.

00:01:16.960 And they talk about how this so-called conspiracy theory has been circulating for a month.

00:01:21.840 It's been in English, it's been in Chinese, it's been around the world in the UK and the US and all of that.

00:01:27.300 And it involves a factory in my neck of the woods in London, Ontario.

00:01:31.580 Now, I am not in on the conspiracy. I want to make that very clear.

00:01:34.600 But the point of it is that they're saying that people focusing on this facility,

00:01:40.700 this plant that's making crickets for human consumption,

00:01:43.840 which was a tweet that was put out by the developers of this factory, is a conspiracy theory.

00:01:50.940 Well, what's the conspiracy?

00:01:53.140 People saying, yes, we are going to be eating bugs in the future,

00:01:56.340 and a plant saying, yes, we're making bugs for people to eat.

00:01:59.100 Well, exactly. When exactly does a conspiracy theory become a fact

00:02:04.600 when the people who are actually involved in the production of this farm

00:02:08.260 are admitting to talking about, for example, creating crickets for human consumption?

00:02:13.020 And then Ellis Don, the developers of this factory, Andrew, as you said,

00:02:16.900 they even admitted it themselves.

00:02:18.300 They said this is going to be the biggest cricket factory in the world.

00:02:21.340 This is going to be a, they're going to revolutionize the human diet, things like this.

00:02:25.160 I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous here.

00:02:27.100 And I find it bizarre, this weird sort of CBC cleanup act almost,

00:02:32.260 trying to cover for this cricket farm when this cricket farm isn't really doing the job themselves.

00:02:39.200 They say they're trying to, they say in the article that the cricket farm is now

00:02:43.260 not talking about human consumption because it's fueling conspiracy theories.

00:02:47.240 They're only talking about creating crickets for animal consumption.

00:02:50.420 But we all know, Andrew, that it's not really a conspiracy theory, is it?

00:02:54.320 That the idea of eating crickets, the idea of eating bugs as a way to replace meat

00:03:01.200 is not really a conspiracy theory.

00:03:03.480 The people that actually create these farms admit it themselves.

00:03:07.320 So it's very bizarre to me that when you've got Aspire, the actual company,

00:03:11.640 who's making this cricket farm,

00:03:15.320 on Twitter, they talk about, they wrote a tweet that says things like this.

00:03:20.140 Throughout history, insects have been a part of our diets,

00:03:22.520 but how we raise them has evolved to scale.

00:03:24.640 We spoke with The Economist earlier this week and discussed our new facility.

00:03:28.140 So not really saying, Andrew, that these crickets are not for human consumption.

00:03:32.320 They're actually kind of leading into that.

00:03:33.820 And then they also wrote a tweet saying this.

00:03:35.760 Aspire pioneers precision insect farming at scale,

00:03:38.880 realizing the potential of nature through the power of tech

00:03:42.040 to enable innovative industries to create products and materialize

00:03:45.080 that prioritize the health and sustainability of our world.

00:03:48.120 If it's just for animals and not humans, Andrew, why don't they say it?

00:03:54.000 Yeah, I mean, the reality is when you talk to environmentalists,

00:03:57.840 the big thing they really harp on

00:04:00.040 is that meat consumption is terrible for the environment.

00:04:03.780 Cows, cattle, they take up a lot of space.

00:04:06.780 They have a lot of carbon emissions.

00:04:09.540 Bovine flatulence is the big issue that they all like to warn about in the United States.

00:04:13.780 So they basically say that, yes, all of us should be vegetarians

00:04:17.120 because it's better for the climate.

00:04:18.600 So it's not all that surprising when you see companies

00:04:21.520 that are coming up with alternatives to meat like crickets

00:04:24.420 because there is a growing appetite, no pun intended,

00:04:27.540 of people that are going vegetarian or going vegan even.

00:04:30.900 And I don't know how the vegans are on the crickets,

00:04:32.660 but I think some of the vegetarians are good with it.

00:04:34.500 But it's when you have people talk about this in like a central planning way,

00:04:38.920 like we need to start moving other people off of meat

00:04:42.280 as opposed to just letting people decide for themselves.

00:04:45.000 And this is where you talk about the World Economic Forum,

00:04:47.760 which promotes at great length the idea of cricket eating as the future

00:04:53.160 and a lot of environmentalist groups do.

00:04:55.380 But it's not a conspiracy theory when it's happening.

00:04:58.180 And it's like grade A gaslighting 101 to say,

00:05:02.060 no, no, no, this thing that you're looking at and using their own words for

00:05:05.920 is not happening at all.

00:05:06.960 You can't talk about that.

00:05:07.780 It's a conspiracy theory.

00:05:09.160 Yeah, exactly.

00:05:09.800 And again, there's so many examples of this.

00:05:12.180 And they've decided to go after this Aspire cricket facility,

00:05:16.020 this cricket factory, perhaps because it's the biggest in the world

00:05:18.460 and there's a lot of people talking about it.

00:05:21.080 But at the beginning of August, the Toronto Star wrote an article about this company

00:05:26.240 and about this new factory.

00:05:30.060 And then in the article, so from one month to the next,

00:05:32.900 Andrew, we've talked about this,

00:05:34.080 how conspiracy theories can go from being complete fact, absolute fact,

00:05:38.180 one month and the next month, they're a conspiracy theory or the other way around.

00:05:41.560 A conspiracy theory starts one month later, it becomes fact.

00:05:44.800 A month ago, these people at the Aspire cricket factory were talking about

00:05:49.200 in the Toronto Star, this quote right here,

00:05:51.960 given the dire state of the world's food supply,

00:05:54.000 it's increasingly tempting to create a new alternative protein.

00:05:56.980 That's what the Star was talking about just a month ago.

00:05:59.000 So talk about gaslighting.

00:06:00.480 I mean, people must be reading this and thinking,

00:06:03.320 hold on a minute, did I just not read an article a month ago

00:06:05.660 saying that this is exactly for human consumption?

00:06:08.400 This is the kind of stuff that I think drives people nuts.

00:06:11.780 Yeah, so basically when they say it's a conspiracy theory

00:06:15.220 that folks are talking about this cricket factory in London,

00:06:18.540 they're basically focusing on one thing,

00:06:21.860 which is what are people saying and how does it differ from reality?

00:06:26.700 The only way I could think of,

00:06:28.900 if you were saying this was a conspiracy theory,

00:06:30.960 is if you were arguing that this specific factory

00:06:34.540 was part of something that Trudeau was doing,

00:06:37.020 and I mean, it did get some government funding,

00:06:38.860 or part of something Klaus Schwab was doing.

00:06:40.660 I mean, they do talk about why we're eating bugs and all that.

00:06:43.580 I don't think there's anything nefarious about the factory itself.

00:06:46.420 I think there's a market and they're going along with it

00:06:48.380 because clearly if you can make some money off of people

00:06:50.840 that are going to be eating bugs, then fine, do it.

00:06:52.920 But it's not at all something that I see,

00:06:55.940 even in the CBC article, where they can point to

00:06:58.000 where the conspiracy is

00:07:00.240 and what people believe that isn't actually correct.

00:07:03.740 And even there's this one professor, they quote,

00:07:06.200 who talked about how it's like,

00:07:08.060 oh, it's all part of the anti-government sentiment,

00:07:10.280 and they're tapping into the same things we saw with the Freedom Convoy.

00:07:13.300 And then she says, this is a cricket factory to make pet food

00:07:17.220 because that's where the evidence points to.

00:07:19.620 Yeah, but also human food.

00:07:21.220 So where's the fake news really coming from here?

00:07:23.240 The so-called experts or the so-called conspiracy theorists?

00:07:26.360 Exactly.

00:07:27.000 I mean, evidence says,

00:07:28.500 this professor says the evidence is pointing to animal food,

00:07:32.460 but the people who actually run the facility

00:07:34.280 have been talking about human food the entire time.

00:07:36.460 Again, it's just a ridiculous story.

00:07:39.080 And one of those things that, again,

00:07:40.260 I think we've talked about this before, too,

00:07:42.060 where a lot of these legacy media outlets

00:07:44.020 will play with their headlines,

00:07:45.180 knowing very well that the majority of people

00:07:47.460 that come across the headlines will read the headline,

00:07:50.240 maybe get to the first paragraph,

00:07:52.200 and then those that get to the first paragraph,

00:07:54.020 only a small portion of them will ever get

00:07:55.480 to the end of the article.

00:07:56.740 So they can run with this fact,

00:07:58.520 they can run with this idea that

00:07:59.580 this is just a conspiracy theory,

00:08:01.040 and people will take it as fact

00:08:02.260 without actually reading it.

00:08:03.560 And then, you know,

00:08:04.520 then they'll start questioning everything they see.

00:08:06.440 It's a very bizarre trend we're seeing.

00:08:08.480 The legacy media are trying to define conspiracy theories,

00:08:11.940 clean up conspiracy theories,

00:08:13.760 and take facts,

00:08:15.460 take things that maybe don't look so great,

00:08:17.600 and turn them into conspiracy theories

00:08:19.340 to cover for these companies.

00:08:20.580 I don't know.

00:08:20.940 Maybe that's a reach,

00:08:21.740 but it's very bizarre.

00:08:24.200 Speaking of bizarre,

00:08:25.600 why don't you talk about what's happening in Alberta?

00:08:28.160 Well, so I read this article.

00:08:29.540 I saw a post on social media.

00:08:31.180 This is earlier in the week,

00:08:32.120 I think at the beginning of the week,

00:08:33.660 and it was Jason Kenney standing with Mark Mielke,

00:08:36.380 who's a part of the Winston Churchill Foundation,

00:08:38.660 I believe,

00:08:39.440 and they had just announced the creation,

00:08:42.100 privately funded creation,

00:08:43.920 of a new Winston Churchill monument.

00:08:45.700 And when I saw that,

00:08:46.600 it was a really nice thing to see.

00:08:48.660 That's the kind of thing that I love to see.

00:08:50.700 People in this era, Andrew,

00:08:52.960 trying to defend history,

00:08:54.960 trying to build monuments to real heroes,

00:08:58.180 and Winston Churchill is certainly one of those.

00:09:00.380 But what a surprise.

00:09:01.280 So along comes a new Winston Churchill statue.

00:09:05.260 And just like that,

00:09:06.300 as we all could have predicted,

00:09:07.820 the legacy media,

00:09:09.440 CBC in particular,

00:09:10.400 they come along trying to bash the concept.

00:09:14.460 And the usual procession of people trying to rewrite history,

00:09:19.280 talking about how Winston Churchill is not deserving of monuments,

00:09:22.820 he's not deserving of new statues,

00:09:24.200 and in this CBC article,

00:09:25.780 they talk about how basically,

00:09:27.420 this is Jason Kenney's way of declaring what we must celebrate,

00:09:31.480 and what warts be damned, I guess.

00:09:34.680 I don't really understand this.

00:09:36.600 So we're building a monument to Winston Churchill,

00:09:39.060 but it's a terrible idea,

00:09:41.020 because Winston Churchill,

00:09:42.900 in this article, as they say,

00:09:44.280 was,

00:09:44.900 they said,

00:09:46.140 no question,

00:09:47.140 he was a racist and a white supremacist. 0.51

00:09:49.440 They just put that out in the article,

00:09:51.380 from a University of Calgary historian.

00:09:54.460 And then the article goes on to say,

00:09:55.980 and this part really got under my skin, Andrew.

00:09:57.900 The article then goes on to say that,

00:09:59.840 why would we need a new monument of Winston Churchill,

00:10:01.820 when there are schools named after Winston Churchill,

00:10:04.600 there are roads named after Winston Churchill,

00:10:06.880 surely that's enough,

00:10:08.040 that's enough for a man like Winston Churchill.

00:10:10.580 And that caught me thinking,

00:10:12.040 we're seeing schools be renamed,

00:10:14.220 we're seeing roads be renamed,

00:10:16.240 so clearly,

00:10:17.820 roads and schools are not enough

00:10:19.780 to celebrate these great heroes

00:10:21.140 that deserve far more recognition

00:10:22.580 than they're getting now.

00:10:23.800 It's just another classic CBC attempt,

00:10:26.520 in my opinion,

00:10:27.400 to bash the history of our country,

00:10:30.380 and kind of play along

00:10:31.980 with this group of people

00:10:33.160 that are trying to vandalize,

00:10:35.220 tear down,

00:10:35.980 and essentially,

00:10:37.000 by doing so,

00:10:37.640 rewriting our history.

00:10:39.580 Yeah,

00:10:40.220 I mean,

00:10:40.540 this has always bothered me in general

00:10:42.740 with historic figures,

00:10:43.900 but with Winston Churchill,

00:10:45.160 this was the original,

00:10:46.560 like the OG anti-fascist.

00:10:48.560 Like,

00:10:48.920 this was the guy,

00:10:50.140 the left says they're anti-fascist,

00:10:52.000 this is the guy who defeated Hitler

00:10:54.280 for crying out loud.

00:10:55.480 Like,

00:10:55.840 you don't get more Antifa

00:10:57.360 than Winston Churchill,

00:10:58.440 if you use,

00:10:59.180 like,

00:10:59.360 the literal meaning of Antifa.

00:11:01.840 So,

00:11:02.180 the reality that they go around

00:11:04.300 and their preferred slur on people

00:11:06.160 is calling everyone a Nazi,

00:11:08.040 calling everyone a fascist,

00:11:09.260 calling everyone a white supremacist.

00:11:11.380 And then you take the guy

00:11:12.560 that liberated the world,

00:11:14.180 in large part from fascism,

00:11:16.040 and we say,

00:11:16.780 oh,

00:11:16.960 well,

00:11:17.200 you know what,

00:11:17.700 he might have had,

00:11:18.820 he might not have been big

00:11:20.020 on the transgender bathrooms,

00:11:21.860 or,

00:11:22.420 well,

00:11:23.360 you know,

00:11:23.840 he might have made this joke

00:11:25.180 or that line or that quip.

00:11:26.680 One of the things,

00:11:27.420 so he,

00:11:27.780 for starters,

00:11:28.260 he's British.

00:11:29.760 And I'm not making fun,

00:11:30.940 my whole family is British.

00:11:32.900 Brits talk differently 0.95

00:11:34.100 than non-Brits do. 0.84

00:11:35.940 So,

00:11:36.240 anytime you look at,

00:11:37.260 like,

00:11:37.360 Winston Churchill's quotables

00:11:38.580 or same as Prince Philip's,

00:11:40.680 you have to accept that

00:11:42.260 and have a margin of British

00:11:44.020 around what the acceptable levels

00:11:46.100 of discourse are.

00:11:46.860 But more importantly,

00:11:48.120 we have to stop measuring people

00:11:49.520 against this yardstick of 2022.

00:11:51.720 And I think what Jason Kenney

00:11:53.100 is promoting here,

00:11:54.000 building a statue,

00:11:54.860 is fantastic.

00:11:56.000 I was just in Austria

00:11:57.760 and Hungary

00:11:58.640 on vacation a few weeks back.

00:12:00.800 And when you walk around,

00:12:02.080 especially in Hungary,

00:12:03.080 you look and the statues

00:12:04.480 littering,

00:12:06.100 littering the entire downtown

00:12:07.760 of Budapest,

00:12:08.600 for example.

00:12:09.340 And you look at it

00:12:10.400 and you say,

00:12:10.740 I bet I could Google

00:12:11.580 all of these people

00:12:12.420 and find something

00:12:13.160 to cancel them over.

00:12:14.480 But you don't

00:12:15.240 because you accept

00:12:16.120 that they're a part

00:12:16.720 of a country's story.

00:12:17.780 They're a part

00:12:18.120 of the world's story.

00:12:19.540 And I think we should

00:12:20.660 start a campaign

00:12:21.460 for every statue

00:12:23.060 that is taken down,

00:12:24.480 we build two of them.

00:12:26.040 For every statue

00:12:26.900 that's taken down,

00:12:27.480 we build two.

00:12:27.960 We build the Winston Churchill statue.

00:12:29.700 If they take that one,

00:12:30.500 we build another one

00:12:31.440 to Winston Churchill.

00:12:32.400 And then we pick

00:12:33.060 a bonus figure as well

00:12:34.160 and do that.

00:12:35.020 No, exactly.

00:12:35.740 That's the kind of thing

00:12:36.540 I love to see.

00:12:37.340 And or even, Andrew,

00:12:38.340 if a statue comes down,

00:12:39.680 you rebuild it in its place,

00:12:40.880 but it gets a little bit taller

00:12:41.880 every single time

00:12:42.800 it comes down.

00:12:43.600 So it becomes more...

00:12:45.800 So eventually Queen Victoria

00:12:47.580 is like 87 feet tall.

00:12:49.140 It's like, oh wow.

00:12:50.760 Step aside, CN Tower.

00:12:52.620 Queen Victoria is now

00:12:53.600 the tallest freestanding

00:12:54.800 structure in the world.

00:12:56.340 Wouldn't that be hilarious?

00:12:57.780 But here's my problem too.

00:13:00.240 This is the kind of thing

00:13:01.040 that when I saw this,

00:13:02.220 I'm not the biggest

00:13:04.220 Jason Kenney fan,

00:13:05.400 but when I saw this,

00:13:06.460 I thought this is

00:13:07.020 a fantastic initiative

00:13:09.400 from a conservative

00:13:11.200 premier in this country.

00:13:12.800 It's obvious.

00:13:13.840 As I said before,

00:13:15.380 roads and schools

00:13:16.860 are not enough.

00:13:18.020 There are Queen Victoria

00:13:18.980 public schools

00:13:19.800 coming down

00:13:20.720 and being renamed

00:13:21.620 all across the country.

00:13:23.360 And we know,

00:13:23.820 for example,

00:13:24.220 in Toronto,

00:13:25.380 the city is spending

00:13:26.280 millions of dollars

00:13:27.140 trying to rename Dundas

00:13:28.360 because of how traumatizing

00:13:30.460 the street name is

00:13:31.220 for people.

00:13:31.760 It's clearly,

00:13:33.300 there is clearly

00:13:33.940 an attempt

00:13:34.420 from a part of society

00:13:36.760 to erase

00:13:38.160 or try and rewrite

00:13:39.260 the history

00:13:39.800 or try and cast

00:13:42.320 a shade over our history

00:13:43.680 so that we feel

00:13:44.620 bad about it.

00:13:45.600 And right now,

00:13:46.660 in Queen's Park,

00:13:48.200 the statue of

00:13:48.940 John A. MacDonald

00:13:49.680 is currently boarded up.

00:13:51.180 I think it's been

00:13:51.580 boarded up for over

00:13:52.240 two years.

00:13:53.080 And there's a conservative

00:13:53.760 government in charge

00:13:54.900 at Queen's Park.

00:13:56.100 That statue is still

00:13:57.260 boarded up.

00:13:58.140 So while we have

00:13:59.000 a conservative government

00:14:00.360 in Alberta

00:14:00.860 building new statues

00:14:02.480 using private funds too,

00:14:04.020 it's a completely

00:14:04.480 different thing

00:14:05.160 when the state

00:14:06.780 funds a statue

00:14:07.760 or when a group

00:14:08.980 like the Churchill

00:14:09.740 Foundation,

00:14:10.400 I think that's

00:14:10.700 what they're called,

00:14:11.520 when they privately

00:14:12.360 crowdsource the funds

00:14:13.960 to build the statue.

00:14:15.640 Right now,

00:14:16.340 the statue of

00:14:17.280 our first Prime Minister,

00:14:19.240 the man who basically

00:14:20.020 created this country,

00:14:22.020 is boarded up

00:14:22.720 at Queen's Park

00:14:23.400 because we don't

00:14:23.820 want to offend people.

00:14:24.820 We don't want to

00:14:25.340 make people upset

00:14:26.920 about John A. MacDonald's

00:14:28.260 controversial views.

00:14:29.260 It's crazy to me

00:14:30.620 that we have the CBC

00:14:31.740 telling us that

00:14:32.660 actually no,

00:14:33.260 these monuments,

00:14:34.480 they don't deserve

00:14:35.020 a place in our country.

00:14:36.220 We don't need

00:14:36.560 to build new ones.

00:14:37.760 It's just ridiculous to me

00:14:39.320 and when I saw this,

00:14:40.620 I thought,

00:14:40.940 now that's a policy

00:14:41.740 I can get behind.

00:14:42.480 That's good to see.

00:14:44.020 Yeah,

00:14:44.460 I didn't realize

00:14:45.200 the John A. MacDonald

00:14:46.080 statue is still

00:14:46.820 boarded up.

00:14:47.180 I generally try to avoid

00:14:48.400 downtown Toronto

00:14:49.540 so that's actually

00:14:50.440 quite disappointing.

00:14:51.760 It's incredible.

00:14:52.680 It's this giant

00:14:53.580 wooden box

00:14:54.700 at the top

00:14:55.280 of University Avenue.

00:14:56.480 Like,

00:14:56.660 it's a terrible eyesore

00:14:58.740 and it's bizarre to me too

00:15:00.660 because behind it,

00:15:02.160 and I don't even know

00:15:02.640 if I want to say this publicly

00:15:03.800 because maybe there are

00:15:04.740 Antifa crazy people

00:15:06.220 that are going to do

00:15:06.800 something about it,

00:15:07.240 but behind it,

00:15:08.300 there's a Queen Victoria statue,

00:15:09.420 a beautiful Queen Victoria statue,

00:15:11.140 right up against

00:15:11.880 the Queen's Park grounds.

00:15:12.800 It hasn't been touched,

00:15:13.620 thank God.

00:15:14.020 It hasn't been vandalized.

00:15:15.620 But it's just,

00:15:16.920 it's crazy to me

00:15:17.720 that we allow a symbol

00:15:19.180 like John A. MacDonald

00:15:20.080 to be boarded up

00:15:21.020 for over almost two years

00:15:22.840 in the middle of Toronto.

00:15:24.200 It's a terrible,

00:15:26.320 terrible thing that's happening.

00:15:27.260 So kudos to the people

00:15:29.200 that crowdfunded

00:15:29.980 this Winston Churchill statue.

00:15:32.100 I'd just like to see

00:15:32.960 more of them.

00:15:33.520 Wouldn't it be great

00:15:34.080 to have McDonald statues,

00:15:36.220 Churchill statues,

00:15:36.900 once again,

00:15:37.820 roaming the country?

00:15:38.580 It would be just fantastic.

00:15:40.260 I think one way around it

00:15:42.060 is that

00:15:42.760 we have to accept

00:15:44.080 that most of these people

00:15:45.020 that take down statues

00:15:46.060 are complete idiots

00:15:47.000 and they don't know

00:15:47.720 or care about history.

00:15:49.060 They don't know

00:15:49.640 who Egerton Ryerson is.

00:15:50.900 They just are told

00:15:51.560 they have to hate him.

00:15:52.260 They don't know

00:15:52.640 who John A. MacDonald is.

00:15:53.980 So I think we just take

00:15:55.040 the name cards

00:15:55.860 off of the statues

00:15:56.840 and they won't know

00:15:57.640 who it is.

00:15:58.780 Exactly.

00:15:59.540 Those that are smart enough

00:16:00.920 to at least do their research

00:16:02.220 can think about,

00:16:03.260 oh, that's a nice statue.

00:16:04.400 And then everyone else

00:16:05.060 can just go about their day

00:16:06.060 like they always used to be.

00:16:07.120 Yeah.

00:16:07.640 And in a cashless society,

00:16:08.840 it's not even like

00:16:09.500 they can check against

00:16:10.880 the currency

00:16:11.360 and be like,

00:16:11.820 oh, that looks like

00:16:13.100 McDonald there.

00:16:14.120 And in any case,

00:16:16.160 we had last week

00:16:17.620 the media

00:16:18.500 in a bit of a flurry

00:16:20.060 over this verbal

00:16:22.020 attack on

00:16:22.960 Chrystia Freeland

00:16:23.600 in Calgary.

00:16:24.820 You've seen the video now.

00:16:25.820 We don't need to play that.

00:16:27.020 My position on this

00:16:28.060 is that it's wrong

00:16:29.020 to harass people

00:16:30.340 in that way.

00:16:31.040 And it's not particularly

00:16:31.860 productive either

00:16:32.760 because you end up

00:16:33.620 looking like the jerk

00:16:34.940 and not them.

00:16:35.960 But anything that

00:16:37.160 puts someone

00:16:37.700 in a position

00:16:38.420 where they're feeling

00:16:39.120 threatened is not good.

00:16:40.280 And that's true

00:16:40.720 whether you're going

00:16:41.240 after a liberal politician,

00:16:43.140 a conservative politician,

00:16:44.300 or whether you're going

00:16:45.000 after your neighborhood mechanic.

00:16:46.800 It doesn't matter.

00:16:47.860 But you have to look

00:16:49.100 at the double standards

00:16:50.000 that come out

00:16:50.900 from government

00:16:51.540 condemnations here.

00:16:52.740 And I'm not saying

00:16:53.800 but what about.

00:16:54.900 I'm just pointing out

00:16:56.000 the hypocrisy here.

00:16:57.380 Justin Trudeau condemned

00:16:58.480 what he called

00:16:59.340 hate-filled rants

00:17:00.700 and violent words.

00:17:02.220 Take a look.

00:17:02.940 There's a huge reflection.

00:17:04.360 We have to have

00:17:04.880 about the kind

00:17:05.620 of country

00:17:06.340 we want to be

00:17:07.260 and to understand

00:17:09.000 that the tone

00:17:10.940 of our democracy,

00:17:12.500 the tone

00:17:12.900 of our political debates

00:17:13.820 is set

00:17:14.940 by those politicians

00:17:18.400 who get sent

00:17:19.300 to Ottawa

00:17:19.740 to represent

00:17:20.500 their communities.

00:17:23.120 And if there isn't

00:17:24.520 clear condemnation

00:17:27.140 of the kind

00:17:28.280 of cowardly bullying

00:17:29.260 we've seen,

00:17:30.660 of the kind

00:17:31.240 of hate-filled rants

00:17:33.980 and violent words

00:17:36.880 used against people

00:17:38.000 to say this has

00:17:39.920 no place

00:17:40.500 in our democracy,

00:17:41.320 we can disagree

00:17:42.480 and we need

00:17:43.100 to disagree

00:17:43.700 with each other

00:17:44.480 on policies,

00:17:45.940 on perspectives.

00:17:46.940 That's a robust debate

00:17:48.420 that has to happen

00:17:49.280 amongst Canadians

00:17:50.020 to make sure

00:17:50.560 we're getting it right

00:17:51.420 as a collective,

00:17:52.300 as a country.

00:17:54.020 But to limit

00:17:55.020 the ability

00:17:57.820 of women,

00:18:00.880 of racialized Canadians

00:18:02.120 to serve

00:18:03.000 in government

00:18:03.940 or to hold government

00:18:05.980 to account

00:18:06.580 as journalists,

00:18:07.720 which is the goal

00:18:08.940 of a number

00:18:11.440 of Canadians

00:18:12.480 with very loud voices,

00:18:15.100 well that's something

00:18:16.500 all parliamentarians

00:18:19.260 and all leaders

00:18:20.180 need to stand against,

00:18:22.880 need to be unequivocal

00:18:24.380 in being responsible leaders

00:18:27.400 to say,

00:18:29.160 no,

00:18:29.880 we are not going

00:18:31.860 to become

00:18:32.400 that toxic,

00:18:34.040 polarized country

00:18:35.220 that some think

00:18:36.060 we should become.

00:18:37.860 So this is never

00:18:39.960 a prime minister

00:18:40.840 that would stoop

00:18:41.560 to hateful words

00:18:42.840 or violent rhetoric,

00:18:44.420 right Harrison?

00:18:45.120 Certainly not.

00:18:45.980 No, I mean,

00:18:46.440 what we know

00:18:46.940 from Trudeau

00:18:47.540 is he's the beacon

00:18:49.380 of civility,

00:18:50.240 Andrew.

00:18:51.460 He's a uniter

00:18:52.420 of this country,

00:18:53.620 someone who's presided

00:18:55.100 over a country

00:18:55.680 that's never been

00:18:56.140 more united

00:18:56.640 under his leadership.

00:18:58.000 I mean,

00:18:58.180 it's just absolutely ridiculous

00:18:59.560 and again,

00:19:00.480 not to say,

00:19:01.340 again,

00:19:01.600 we don't want to do

00:19:02.580 the whole whataboutism,

00:19:03.440 but without it,

00:19:04.620 we're just not allowed

00:19:05.240 to call out

00:19:05.840 the selective outrage

00:19:06.800 that we get

00:19:07.220 from these liberal leaders.

00:19:08.840 I mean,

00:19:09.140 of course,

00:19:09.580 you have to look

00:19:10.360 at both sides of this

00:19:11.500 and say,

00:19:11.880 well,

00:19:12.260 where were you guys

00:19:13.340 when your prime minister,

00:19:15.020 your leader,

00:19:15.720 was telling

00:19:16.220 unvaccinated Canadians

00:19:17.300 that something

00:19:19.320 needs to be done

00:19:19.900 about them?

00:19:20.520 I mean,

00:19:20.880 we've seen the footage,

00:19:21.860 we've seen the videos

00:19:22.700 saying that the people

00:19:24.880 that were protesting

00:19:26.060 in Ottawa

00:19:26.420 are a small fringe minority

00:19:27.720 with unacceptable views.

00:19:28.760 Talk about uniting

00:19:30.000 the small fringe minority

00:19:34.660 of people

00:19:36.480 who are on their way

00:19:37.860 to Ottawa

00:19:38.360 or who are holding

00:19:40.420 unacceptable views

00:19:42.660 that they're expressing

00:19:44.080 do not represent

00:19:47.400 the views of Canadians

00:19:49.280 who have been there

00:19:50.660 for each other,

00:19:51.880 who know

00:19:52.420 that following the science

00:19:54.580 and stepping up

00:19:56.500 to protect each other

00:19:57.560 is the best way

00:19:59.280 to continue to ensure

00:20:00.540 our freedoms,

00:20:01.740 our rights,

00:20:02.500 our values as a country.

00:20:03.620 Ah, yes,

00:20:04.700 it seems like

00:20:05.440 just yesterday

00:20:06.380 that his political enemies

00:20:08.240 were an unacceptable

00:20:09.820 fringe minority

00:20:10.720 and then there was

00:20:11.760 this clip

00:20:12.200 from the election

00:20:13.500 last year

00:20:14.100 where he was literally

00:20:14.840 campaigning

00:20:15.700 on this sort of

00:20:17.220 divisive rhetoric.

00:20:18.060 Yes, we're going to

00:20:19.560 get out of this pandemic

00:20:20.680 for the vaccination.

00:20:22.000 And we know

00:20:23.140 all those people

00:20:24.180 who are trying to

00:20:25.460 hesitate a little bit.

00:20:26.280 We're going to try

00:20:27.280 to convince them.

00:20:28.300 But there are also

00:20:28.720 people who are

00:20:29.460 far away from the vaccination.

00:20:31.780 They are extremists.

00:20:32.820 They don't believe in the science.

00:20:34.160 They are often misogynes.

00:20:35.880 They are often racist.

00:20:37.140 They are also a small group

00:20:40.440 but they take place.

00:20:41.460 It's in French but he's saying

00:21:02.020 that unvaccinated people

00:21:03.500 are generally racist,

00:21:04.940 misogynist,

00:21:05.740 extremists.

00:21:06.480 So where is the

00:21:08.080 pearl-clutchy

00:21:08.900 condemnation of that

00:21:10.500 when you have a prime minister

00:21:11.860 who's deliberately

00:21:12.620 trying to inflame people?

00:21:14.080 And again,

00:21:14.760 not at all

00:21:15.920 for a second

00:21:16.680 am I justifying

00:21:18.080 people that lash out

00:21:19.680 and respond

00:21:20.400 but it's that

00:21:21.000 I don't believe

00:21:21.940 they are actually

00:21:23.160 as interested

00:21:23.800 in civility

00:21:24.600 and de-escalation

00:21:25.760 as they're pretending

00:21:27.000 when someone goes

00:21:27.880 after one of theirs.

00:21:28.960 That's all.

00:21:29.540 No, of course not, Andrew.

00:21:30.780 They're not interested in that.

00:21:32.620 They will use division

00:21:34.840 when it matters for them

00:21:36.260 and then they will bring out

00:21:37.160 the unity card

00:21:38.020 when they have this

00:21:39.080 great opportunity

00:21:39.700 to talk about

00:21:40.440 why this is wrong

00:21:41.560 and when Canadians

00:21:43.320 shouldn't do it.

00:21:44.280 But what Justin Trudeau

00:21:45.240 said in that French clip

00:21:46.220 I think

00:21:46.980 and I thought about this

00:21:47.880 before we did the recording

00:21:49.700 after watching that clip again

00:21:51.200 that is probably going to be

00:21:52.680 one of the most disgraceful things

00:21:54.140 I think the prime minister

00:21:55.080 has maybe ever said

00:21:56.580 as leader of our country.

00:21:57.700 It's so unbelievably divisive.

00:22:00.340 You've seen that clip

00:22:01.640 I'm sure

00:22:01.980 many different places

00:22:02.960 people use that

00:22:04.160 as a way to talk about

00:22:05.880 who our leader is

00:22:07.000 in our country

00:22:07.420 because of just how

00:22:08.160 just how insane it is

00:22:09.880 to say those words

00:22:10.900 to say the things

00:22:12.180 that unvaccinated Canadians 0.98

00:22:13.680 are racist

00:22:15.180 are misogynistic

00:22:16.540 it's just unbelievable

00:22:18.940 it's frankly

00:22:20.240 the lowest of the low

00:22:22.160 when it comes to dividing

00:22:23.340 and again

00:22:24.520 like we said

00:22:25.560 not to try and

00:22:26.520 make excuses

00:22:27.440 for bad behavior

00:22:28.400 we can all condemn

00:22:29.500 bad behavior

00:22:30.200 but

00:22:30.880 if you tell Canadians

00:22:32.800 if you're a leader

00:22:33.740 of a country

00:22:34.080 and you tell Canadians

00:22:34.800 that make their own

00:22:35.620 medical choice

00:22:36.220 that they are

00:22:37.000 some of the worst

00:22:37.960 they're some of the worst things

00:22:39.040 racist, misogynist

00:22:40.440 for making their own

00:22:41.320 medical decision

00:22:41.980 there is going to be

00:22:43.720 backlash

00:22:44.040 there is going to be

00:22:45.180 a group of people

00:22:45.680 that are going to

00:22:46.260 I think

00:22:48.300 you know

00:22:49.340 take things too far

00:22:50.540 and that shouldn't

00:22:52.820 take a rocket scientist

00:22:53.960 to know that

00:22:54.460 that's going to happen

00:22:55.460 if you say those words

00:22:56.400 and so

00:22:56.760 I mean

00:22:57.600 it's sad to see

00:22:59.340 I think we can all agree

00:23:00.380 that it's sad to see

00:23:01.160 this sort of descent

00:23:02.900 into this

00:23:03.900 lack of civility

00:23:04.780 we're all experiencing

00:23:05.580 but it's not like

00:23:06.860 it's come out of nowhere

00:23:07.760 No

00:23:08.460 and I guess that's the point

00:23:10.140 is that

00:23:10.480 if we want to have

00:23:11.620 a real discussion

00:23:12.580 about civility

00:23:14.320 and de-escalation

00:23:15.360 you can't talk about

00:23:16.820 and treat your political enemies

00:23:18.380 the way the liberals are

00:23:19.980 and I would also say

00:23:20.980 the way the media is

00:23:21.920 with a few notable exceptions

00:23:23.560 so

00:23:23.880 very well said

00:23:25.180 but again

00:23:25.840 I mean

00:23:26.060 we've talked about

00:23:26.900 a lot of lighter stuff

00:23:28.100 on this show

00:23:28.760 I think we need to get to

00:23:29.820 some more serious topics here

00:23:31.300 so that people don't feel

00:23:32.260 they were shortchanged

00:23:33.060 and

00:23:33.820 truly

00:23:34.760 I mean

00:23:35.460 I'm even a bit nervous

00:23:37.380 because there's a fair bit

00:23:38.160 of controversy in this

00:23:39.200 but

00:23:39.440 how do you make

00:23:40.820 a Nanaimo bar

00:23:42.020 this has been

00:23:43.860 a legitimate question

00:23:45.140 that has entered

00:23:45.940 the political discourse

00:23:46.740 this week

00:23:47.140 like I said

00:23:47.660 very controversial

00:23:48.800 Pierre Polyev

00:23:49.680 shared this exchange

00:23:51.440 with a woman he met

00:23:52.240 in Nanaimo BC

00:23:53.180 Ladies and gentlemen

00:23:54.440 I'm in Nanaimo

00:23:55.320 with Katrina

00:23:56.000 and guess what she made for me

00:23:57.880 you guessed it

00:23:58.840 Nanaimo bars

00:23:59.940 and

00:24:00.400 the best Nanaimo bars

00:24:01.560 we left out the keywords

00:24:02.580 sorry

00:24:02.860 it turns out

00:24:03.780 that she makes

00:24:04.420 the best Nanaimo bars

00:24:05.640 not in Nanaimo

00:24:06.600 but in the entire world

00:24:08.140 what's the secret

00:24:09.320 love

00:24:10.220 love

00:24:10.920 that's the secret ingredient

00:24:12.080 don't tell anybody that

00:24:13.340 that's the patented ingredient

00:24:14.800 if you share that

00:24:16.360 you'll be hearing from her lawyer

00:24:18.080 but

00:24:18.740 why aren't you making

00:24:20.040 as many Nanaimo bars anymore

00:24:21.460 well I

00:24:22.780 during COVID

00:24:24.020 January of 2021

00:24:25.260 I opened up

00:24:26.180 a small road stand

00:24:26.880 because I needed

00:24:28.220 money to pay

00:24:29.240 my kids school fees

00:24:30.260 and support fees

00:24:30.880 and I found that

00:24:32.220 in times of COVID

00:24:33.120 a lot of people

00:24:34.160 mainly seniors

00:24:35.020 were coming by

00:24:35.860 just for a friendly face

00:24:36.880 we all masked up

00:24:37.780 we all practiced

00:24:38.680 all the social distancing

00:24:39.640 but it meant a lot to them

00:24:41.260 to come in on Saturday

00:24:42.160 and talk with somebody

00:24:43.100 right

00:24:43.560 unfortunately we

00:24:44.880 I had a real setback

00:24:46.880 in February this year

00:24:47.800 right

00:24:48.280 so I temporarily shut down

00:24:49.700 my bank stand

00:24:50.280 and now that I wanted

00:24:51.960 to reopen it

00:24:52.780 six months later

00:24:53.620 the price of flour

00:24:54.720 has doubled

00:24:55.320 sugar, butter

00:24:56.220 and it's cost prohibitive

00:24:57.940 for me to reopen

00:24:58.780 wow

00:24:59.080 so the price

00:24:59.860 of flour

00:25:00.920 sugar

00:25:01.960 butter

00:25:02.540 butter

00:25:02.920 other ingredients

00:25:04.120 and eggs

00:25:04.760 in addition to love

00:25:06.000 that go into these

00:25:06.740 Nanaimo bars

00:25:07.340 too expensive

00:25:08.280 just

00:25:09.340 just

00:25:10.260 just too expensive

00:25:11.580 just inflation

00:25:12.980 that's why we're going

00:25:14.100 to stop creating cash

00:25:15.340 we're going to start

00:25:16.300 creating more of what

00:25:17.100 cash buys

00:25:17.720 get rid of the

00:25:18.300 inflationary taxes

00:25:19.520 so that we can have more

00:25:20.840 of these love

00:25:22.000 infused

00:25:23.040 Nanaimo bars

00:25:23.960 there's a lot more

00:25:24.700 trust me

00:25:25.040 I will

00:25:25.440 I can resist everything

00:25:26.760 except temptation

00:25:27.800 thank you

00:25:28.620 the woman said that

00:25:29.580 the cost of goods

00:25:30.580 is going up

00:25:31.680 including the cost

00:25:33.000 of flour

00:25:34.540 and a lot of people

00:25:35.540 would say

00:25:35.780 wow yeah I understand

00:25:36.640 inflation's a bit of

00:25:37.500 a big deal there

00:25:38.220 but no

00:25:39.160 Jean Charest's

00:25:40.720 campaign co-chair

00:25:41.800 Tasha Carradine 0.77

00:25:42.740 who is a lovely woman

00:25:43.760 I've worked with her

00:25:44.700 on projects

00:25:45.320 we used to work

00:25:45.820 for the same company

00:25:46.580 I don't quite buy

00:25:48.420 where she's going

00:25:49.080 with this one

00:25:49.720 she points out

00:25:50.760 the real fact check

00:25:51.600 here

00:25:51.800 there's no flour

00:25:52.820 in Nanaimo bars

00:25:54.540 well believe it or not

00:25:56.120 this is now something

00:25:57.040 we have to fact check

00:25:58.200 Harrison what did you

00:25:58.920 figure out

00:25:59.480 well so

00:26:00.720 from what I

00:26:01.980 from what I saw

00:26:03.000 it turns out

00:26:04.100 that to make 0.51

00:26:05.180 a Nanaimo bar

00:26:05.740 you need graham crackers

00:26:06.800 and it looks as though

00:26:08.840 in graham crackers

00:26:10.160 there's flour

00:26:11.500 so that would

00:26:12.240 that would lead me

00:26:12.860 to think Andrew

00:26:13.600 I'm not a

00:26:14.440 I'm not a baking expert

00:26:15.400 I'm not a cooking expert

00:26:16.260 by any means

00:26:17.000 but it would lead me

00:26:18.800 to believe

00:26:19.380 that that would mean

00:26:20.560 flour is in Nanaimo bars

00:26:22.220 and I mean

00:26:22.960 when you make such a

00:26:24.040 a big statement

00:26:24.960 like like Polly Ev did 0.87

00:26:26.320 a real shot across the bow

00:26:27.800 and then

00:26:28.920 and then

00:26:29.280 and then the

00:26:29.980 Jean Charest campaign

00:26:30.840 comes in right behind it

00:26:32.080 coming after them

00:26:32.940 for the flour statement

00:26:33.840 clearly we need it

00:26:34.840 we need it to

00:26:35.280 we need to figure this out

00:26:36.300 and it turns out

00:26:37.020 it looks as though

00:26:38.020 not making any

00:26:39.480 any serious statements

00:26:41.040 not to get in the way

00:26:42.040 of this very serious

00:26:42.760 political dialogue

00:26:43.360 but it looks as though

00:26:44.220 flour is involved

00:26:45.800 in Nanaimo bars

00:26:46.520 yeah if she is making

00:26:48.180 the graham crackers

00:26:49.080 from scratch

00:26:50.300 there is flour in them

00:26:51.620 I mean

00:26:52.280 the real

00:26:52.780 like it's

00:26:53.580 it's an amusing story

00:26:54.660 in some respects

00:26:55.600 but it's also proof

00:26:56.680 of the danger

00:26:58.080 of political discourse

00:26:59.120 right now

00:26:59.600 that if you are

00:27:00.220 against someone

00:27:01.060 you will just

00:27:03.020 not even quite

00:27:04.040 think about

00:27:04.960 where you're going

00:27:06.180 with your attacks

00:27:06.980 on them

00:27:07.420 and the implications

00:27:08.200 of that

00:27:08.720 because when I saw

00:27:09.840 this video

00:27:10.320 I thought the woman 0.96

00:27:11.560 was talking about

00:27:12.340 in general

00:27:12.880 she runs a bake shop

00:27:13.860 presumably she bakes

00:27:14.740 things other than

00:27:15.700 Nanaimo bars

00:27:16.540 and they would involve

00:27:17.740 having to buy flour

00:27:18.620 so I didn't even

00:27:19.180 necessarily know

00:27:19.960 it was just an example

00:27:21.020 of Nanaimo bars

00:27:22.660 and flour

00:27:23.120 but that's what

00:27:24.160 people focus in on

00:27:25.240 well no exactly

00:27:26.220 and you can imagine

00:27:27.460 sort of

00:27:27.880 you can imagine

00:27:28.480 the Sheree campaign

00:27:29.620 or Tasha Kiriden

00:27:31.100 sitting there going

00:27:31.840 oh we got them

00:27:32.980 we got them on this

00:27:33.860 there's no flour

00:27:34.780 in Nanaimo bars

00:27:35.380 it's just

00:27:35.740 it's just a bizarre

00:27:36.820 she's a plant

00:27:37.640 she's a plant

00:27:38.520 this is going to be

00:27:40.680 this is going to be

00:27:41.460 a great

00:27:41.880 this is going to be

00:27:42.240 a great comeback

00:27:42.800 we're going to get

00:27:43.320 them on the

00:27:43.800 Nanaimo bar recipe

00:27:44.700 instead of talking

00:27:46.020 about I don't know

00:27:47.020 something about

00:27:47.500 something actually

00:27:48.280 that matters to the

00:27:49.260 campaign

00:27:49.680 I've been seeing

00:27:50.920 a lot of people

00:27:51.420 saying after this

00:27:52.640 whole Nanaimo bar

00:27:53.700 debacle

00:27:54.180 this Nanaimo bar

00:27:54.980 fallout

00:27:55.400 Nanaimo gate

00:27:56.000 yeah the Nanaimo gate

00:27:56.920 a lot of people

00:27:57.380 were saying

00:27:57.740 can this just be

00:27:58.720 over please

00:27:59.320 I mean we've

00:27:59.820 reached I think

00:28:00.320 we reached a

00:28:01.060 conclusion

00:28:01.500 we've spent a

00:28:02.260 long enough time

00:28:02.900 talking about the

00:28:03.540 issues

00:28:03.900 now we're

00:28:04.340 now we're

00:28:04.760 talking about

00:28:05.120 Nanaimo bars

00:28:05.780 let's just move

00:28:06.800 on now

00:28:07.280 and see where this

00:28:08.720 goes

00:28:08.980 I don't think

00:28:09.460 we're going to get

00:28:09.860 any more

00:28:10.240 big policy

00:28:11.300 statements

00:28:11.740 coming from

00:28:12.180 any of these

00:28:12.580 two

00:28:12.820 so there's

00:28:13.640 milk in

00:28:14.460 Nanaimo bars

00:28:15.240 and the only

00:28:15.740 reason I bring

00:28:16.400 that up

00:28:16.700 is to say

00:28:17.160 that the

00:28:17.900 fact that

00:28:18.420 supply management

00:28:19.420 has somehow

00:28:20.340 become less

00:28:21.040 controversial

00:28:21.700 than whether

00:28:22.740 there's flour

00:28:23.540 in Nanaimo bars

00:28:24.940 is a sign

00:28:25.540 that as you

00:28:25.920 mentioned

00:28:26.140 the leadership

00:28:26.580 race has

00:28:27.060 gone on

00:28:27.400 too long

00:28:27.780 but it's

00:28:28.380 over in

00:28:28.960 eight days

00:28:29.760 it's September

00:28:30.280 2nd now

00:28:30.940 it's over

00:28:31.460 on September

00:28:32.500 10th

00:28:32.920 so fear not

00:28:33.600 the Nanaimo

00:28:34.240 gate will be

00:28:34.960 ending soon

00:28:35.500 enough

00:28:35.820 and that's

00:28:48.220 what we call

00:28:48.840 in the business

00:28:49.520 my friends

00:28:50.180 a callback

00:28:51.100 what a great

00:28:51.540 note to end

00:28:52.000 on

00:28:52.240 Harrison Faulkner

00:28:53.240 always a pleasure

00:28:53.940 I am Andrew

00:28:54.700 Lawton

00:28:55.040 this is

00:28:55.600 Fake News

00:28:56.140 Friday

00:28:56.500 on True

00:28:57.100 North

00:28:57.380 we will

00:28:58.360 talk to you

00:28:58.920 next week

00:28:59.400 thanks everyone

00:29:04.960 thanks everyone

00:29:05.480 You

The Candice Malcolm Show - September 02, 2022

Fake News Friday ｜ CBC fails to debunk “bugs conspiracy theory”

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