The Candice Malcolm Show - September 02, 2022


Fake News Friday ｜ CBC fails to debunk “bugs conspiracy theory”


Episode Stats

Length

29 minutes

Words per Minute

183.0064

Word Count

5,330

Sentence Count

211

Misogynist Sentences

3

Hate Speech Sentences

5


Summary

The idea of eating bugs as a way to replace meat is not a conspiracy theory. The people that actually create these farms admit it themselves. And the developers of this factory even admitted it themselves! And then they said this is going to be the biggest cricket factory in the world.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hello, everyone, and welcome to another edition of Fake News Friday.
00:00:15.760 My name is Andrew Lawton, joined, as always, by Harrison Faulkner for another week of debunking
00:00:23.160 the much-needed debunkables that we get from a lot of mainstream media.
00:00:27.780 Harrison, how was the week? Good, sir.
00:00:29.020 It's been good. I feel good that I've now resumed my normal position on the show, Andrew,
00:00:33.240 or at least some things that are normal, because we're still in that sort of influx of co-hosts,
00:00:38.080 hosts, and all that, but it's good to be back and good to join you once again.
00:00:40.920 Yeah, we try to throw us all off kilter, so we never just get too comfortable or complacent where we are.
00:00:46.180 It's a great strategy, really. Let's talk a little bit about this one here.
00:00:49.920 So we've seen that conspiracy theorization, and I guess that's the name for when you just start
00:00:56.820 calling things conspiracy theories. It's become a favored pastime of the media.
00:01:01.500 In particular now, CBC claiming that insect protein, that eating bugs, is a conspiracy theory.
00:01:08.880 Here's the headline from an article this week,
00:01:11.280 how a London, Ontario cricket plant found itself at the heart of an international conspiracy theory.
00:01:16.960 And they talk about how this so-called conspiracy theory has been circulating for a month.
00:01:21.840 It's been in English, it's been in Chinese, it's been around the world in the UK and the US and all of that.
00:01:27.300 And it involves a factory in my neck of the woods in London, Ontario.
00:01:31.580 Now, I am not in on the conspiracy. I want to make that very clear.
00:01:34.600 But the point of it is that they're saying that people focusing on this facility,
00:01:40.700 this plant that's making crickets for human consumption,
00:01:43.840 which was a tweet that was put out by the developers of this factory, is a conspiracy theory.
00:01:50.940 Well, what's the conspiracy?
00:01:53.140 People saying, yes, we are going to be eating bugs in the future,
00:01:56.340 and a plant saying, yes, we're making bugs for people to eat.
00:01:59.100 Well, exactly. When exactly does a conspiracy theory become a fact
00:02:04.600 when the people who are actually involved in the production of this farm
00:02:08.260 are admitting to talking about, for example, creating crickets for human consumption?
00:02:13.020 And then Ellis Don, the developers of this factory, Andrew, as you said,
00:02:16.900 they even admitted it themselves.
00:02:18.300 They said this is going to be the biggest cricket factory in the world.
00:02:21.340 This is going to be a, they're going to revolutionize the human diet, things like this.
00:02:25.160 I mean, it's just, it's ridiculous here.
00:02:27.100 And I find it bizarre, this weird sort of CBC cleanup act almost,
00:02:32.260 trying to cover for this cricket farm when this cricket farm isn't really doing the job themselves.
00:02:39.200 They say they're trying to, they say in the article that the cricket farm is now
00:02:43.260 not talking about human consumption because it's fueling conspiracy theories.
00:02:47.240 They're only talking about creating crickets for animal consumption.
00:02:50.420 But we all know, Andrew, that it's not really a conspiracy theory, is it?
00:02:54.320 That the idea of eating crickets, the idea of eating bugs as a way to replace meat
00:03:01.200 is not really a conspiracy theory.
00:03:03.480 The people that actually create these farms admit it themselves.
00:03:07.320 So it's very bizarre to me that when you've got Aspire, the actual company,
00:03:11.640 who's making this cricket farm,
00:03:15.320 on Twitter, they talk about, they wrote a tweet that says things like this.
00:03:20.140 Throughout history, insects have been a part of our diets,
00:03:22.520 but how we raise them has evolved to scale.
00:03:24.640 We spoke with The Economist earlier this week and discussed our new facility.
00:03:28.140 So not really saying, Andrew, that these crickets are not for human consumption.
00:03:32.320 They're actually kind of leading into that.
00:03:33.820 And then they also wrote a tweet saying this.
00:03:35.760 Aspire pioneers precision insect farming at scale,
00:03:38.880 realizing the potential of nature through the power of tech
00:03:42.040 to enable innovative industries to create products and materialize
00:03:45.080 that prioritize the health and sustainability of our world.
00:03:48.120 If it's just for animals and not humans, Andrew, why don't they say it?
00:03:54.000 Yeah, I mean, the reality is when you talk to environmentalists,
00:03:57.840 the big thing they really harp on
00:04:00.040 is that meat consumption is terrible for the environment.
00:04:03.780 Cows, cattle, they take up a lot of space.
00:04:06.780 They have a lot of carbon emissions.
00:04:09.540 Bovine flatulence is the big issue that they all like to warn about in the United States.
00:04:13.780 So they basically say that, yes, all of us should be vegetarians
00:04:17.120 because it's better for the climate.
00:04:18.600 So it's not all that surprising when you see companies
00:04:21.520 that are coming up with alternatives to meat like crickets
00:04:24.420 because there is a growing appetite, no pun intended,
00:04:27.540 of people that are going vegetarian or going vegan even.
00:04:30.900 And I don't know how the vegans are on the crickets,
00:04:32.660 but I think some of the vegetarians are good with it.
00:04:34.500 But it's when you have people talk about this in like a central planning way,
00:04:38.920 like we need to start moving other people off of meat
00:04:42.280 as opposed to just letting people decide for themselves.
00:04:45.000 And this is where you talk about the World Economic Forum,
00:04:47.760 which promotes at great length the idea of cricket eating as the future
00:04:53.160 and a lot of environmentalist groups do.
00:04:55.380 But it's not a conspiracy theory when it's happening.
00:04:58.180 And it's like grade A gaslighting 101 to say,
00:05:02.060 no, no, no, this thing that you're looking at and using their own words for
00:05:05.920 is not happening at all.
00:05:06.960 You can't talk about that.
00:05:07.780 It's a conspiracy theory.
00:05:09.160 Yeah, exactly.
00:05:09.800 And again, there's so many examples of this.
00:05:12.180 And they've decided to go after this Aspire cricket facility,
00:05:16.020 this cricket factory, perhaps because it's the biggest in the world
00:05:18.460 and there's a lot of people talking about it.
00:05:21.080 But at the beginning of August, the Toronto Star wrote an article about this company
00:05:26.240 and about this new factory.
00:05:30.060 And then in the article, so from one month to the next,
00:05:32.900 Andrew, we've talked about this,
00:05:34.080 how conspiracy theories can go from being complete fact, absolute fact,
00:05:38.180 one month and the next month, they're a conspiracy theory or the other way around.
00:05:41.560 A conspiracy theory starts one month later, it becomes fact.
00:05:44.800 A month ago, these people at the Aspire cricket factory were talking about
00:05:49.200 in the Toronto Star, this quote right here,
00:05:51.960 given the dire state of the world's food supply,
00:05:54.000 it's increasingly tempting to create a new alternative protein.
00:05:56.980 That's what the Star was talking about just a month ago.
00:05:59.000 So talk about gaslighting.
00:06:00.480 I mean, people must be reading this and thinking,
00:06:03.320 hold on a minute, did I just not read an article a month ago
00:06:05.660 saying that this is exactly for human consumption?
00:06:08.400 This is the kind of stuff that I think drives people nuts.
00:06:11.780 Yeah, so basically when they say it's a conspiracy theory
00:06:15.220 that folks are talking about this cricket factory in London,
00:06:18.540 they're basically focusing on one thing,
00:06:21.860 which is what are people saying and how does it differ from reality?
00:06:26.700 The only way I could think of,
00:06:28.900 if you were saying this was a conspiracy theory,
00:06:30.960 is if you were arguing that this specific factory
00:06:34.540 was part of something that Trudeau was doing,
00:06:37.020 and I mean, it did get some government funding,
00:06:38.860 or part of something Klaus Schwab was doing.
00:06:40.660 I mean, they do talk about why we're eating bugs and all that.
00:06:43.580 I don't think there's anything nefarious about the factory itself.
00:06:46.420 I think there's a market and they're going along with it
00:06:48.380 because clearly if you can make some money off of people
00:06:50.840 that are going to be eating bugs, then fine, do it.
00:06:52.920 But it's not at all something that I see,
00:06:55.940 even in the CBC article, where they can point to
00:06:58.000 where the conspiracy is
00:07:00.240 and what people believe that isn't actually correct.
00:07:03.740 And even there's this one professor, they quote,
00:07:06.200 who talked about how it's like,
00:07:08.060 oh, it's all part of the anti-government sentiment,
00:07:10.280 and they're tapping into the same things we saw with the Freedom Convoy.
00:07:13.300 And then she says, this is a cricket factory to make pet food
00:07:17.220 because that's where the evidence points to.
00:07:19.620 Yeah, but also human food.
00:07:21.220 So where's the fake news really coming from here?
00:07:23.240 The so-called experts or the so-called conspiracy theorists?
00:07:26.360 Exactly.
00:07:27.000 I mean, evidence says,
00:07:28.500 this professor says the evidence is pointing to animal food,
00:07:32.460 but the people who actually run the facility
00:07:34.280 have been talking about human food the entire time.
00:07:36.460 Again, it's just a ridiculous story.
00:07:39.080 And one of those things that, again,
00:07:40.260 I think we've talked about this before, too,
00:07:42.060 where a lot of these legacy media outlets
00:07:44.020 will play with their headlines,
00:07:45.180 knowing very well that the majority of people
00:07:47.460 that come across the headlines will read the headline,
00:07:50.240 maybe get to the first paragraph,
00:07:52.200 and then those that get to the first paragraph,
00:07:54.020 only a small portion of them will ever get
00:07:55.480 to the end of the article.
00:07:56.740 So they can run with this fact,
00:07:58.520 they can run with this idea that
00:07:59.580 this is just a conspiracy theory,
00:08:01.040 and people will take it as fact
00:08:02.260 without actually reading it.
00:08:03.560 And then, you know,
00:08:04.520 then they'll start questioning everything they see.
00:08:06.440 It's a very bizarre trend we're seeing.
00:08:08.480 The legacy media are trying to define conspiracy theories,
00:08:11.940 clean up conspiracy theories,
00:08:13.760 and take facts,
00:08:15.460 take things that maybe don't look so great,
00:08:17.600 and turn them into conspiracy theories
00:08:19.340 to cover for these companies.
00:08:20.580 I don't know.
00:08:20.940 Maybe that's a reach,
00:08:21.740 but it's very bizarre.
00:08:24.200 Speaking of bizarre,
00:08:25.600 why don't you talk about what's happening in Alberta?
00:08:28.160 Well, so I read this article.
00:08:29.540 I saw a post on social media.
00:08:31.180 This is earlier in the week,
00:08:32.120 I think at the beginning of the week,
00:08:33.660 and it was Jason Kenney standing with Mark Mielke,
00:08:36.380 who's a part of the Winston Churchill Foundation,
00:08:38.660 I believe,
00:08:39.440 and they had just announced the creation,
00:08:42.100 privately funded creation,
00:08:43.920 of a new Winston Churchill monument.
00:08:45.700 And when I saw that,
00:08:46.600 it was a really nice thing to see.
00:08:48.660 That's the kind of thing that I love to see.
00:08:50.700 People in this era, Andrew,
00:08:52.960 trying to defend history,
00:08:54.960 trying to build monuments to real heroes,
00:08:58.180 and Winston Churchill is certainly one of those.
00:09:00.380 But what a surprise.
00:09:01.280 So along comes a new Winston Churchill statue.
00:09:05.260 And just like that,
00:09:06.300 as we all could have predicted,
00:09:07.820 the legacy media,
00:09:09.440 CBC in particular,
00:09:10.400 they come along trying to bash the concept.
00:09:14.460 And the usual procession of people trying to rewrite history,
00:09:19.280 talking about how Winston Churchill is not deserving of monuments,
00:09:22.820 he's not deserving of new statues,
00:09:24.200 and in this CBC article,
00:09:25.780 they talk about how basically,
00:09:27.420 this is Jason Kenney's way of declaring what we must celebrate,
00:09:31.480 and what warts be damned, I guess.
00:09:34.680 I don't really understand this.
00:09:36.600 So we're building a monument to Winston Churchill,
00:09:39.060 but it's a terrible idea,
00:09:41.020 because Winston Churchill,
00:09:42.900 in this article, as they say,
00:09:44.280 was,
00:09:44.900 they said,
00:09:46.140 no question,
00:09:47.140 he was a racist and a white supremacist.
00:09:49.440 They just put that out in the article,
00:09:51.380 from a University of Calgary historian.
00:09:54.460 And then the article goes on to say,
00:09:55.980 and this part really got under my skin, Andrew.
00:09:57.900 The article then goes on to say that,
00:09:59.840 why would we need a new monument of Winston Churchill,
00:10:01.820 when there are schools named after Winston Churchill,
00:10:04.600 there are roads named after Winston Churchill,
00:10:06.880 surely that's enough,
00:10:08.040 that's enough for a man like Winston Churchill.
00:10:10.580 And that caught me thinking,
00:10:12.040 we're seeing schools be renamed,
00:10:14.220 we're seeing roads be renamed,
00:10:16.240 so clearly,
00:10:17.820 roads and schools are not enough
00:10:19.780 to celebrate these great heroes
00:10:21.140 that deserve far more recognition
00:10:22.580 than they're getting now.
00:10:23.800 It's just another classic CBC attempt,
00:10:26.520 in my opinion,
00:10:27.400 to bash the history of our country,
00:10:30.380 and kind of play along
00:10:31.980 with this group of people
00:10:33.160 that are trying to vandalize,
00:10:35.220 tear down,
00:10:35.980 and essentially,
00:10:37.000 by doing so,
00:10:37.640 rewriting our history.
00:10:39.580 Yeah,
00:10:40.220 I mean,
00:10:40.540 this has always bothered me in general
00:10:42.740 with historic figures,
00:10:43.900 but with Winston Churchill,
00:10:45.160 this was the original,
00:10:46.560 like the OG anti-fascist.
00:10:48.560 Like,
00:10:48.920 this was the guy,
00:10:50.140 the left says they're anti-fascist,
00:10:52.000 this is the guy who defeated Hitler
00:10:54.280 for crying out loud.
00:10:55.480 Like,
00:10:55.840 you don't get more Antifa
00:10:57.360 than Winston Churchill,
00:10:58.440 if you use,
00:10:59.180 like,
00:10:59.360 the literal meaning of Antifa.
00:11:01.840 So,
00:11:02.180 the reality that they go around
00:11:04.300 and their preferred slur on people
00:11:06.160 is calling everyone a Nazi,
00:11:08.040 calling everyone a fascist,
00:11:09.260 calling everyone a white supremacist.
00:11:11.380 And then you take the guy
00:11:12.560 that liberated the world,
00:11:14.180 in large part from fascism,
00:11:16.040 and we say,
00:11:16.780 oh,
00:11:16.960 well,
00:11:17.200 you know what,
00:11:17.700 he might have had,
00:11:18.820 he might not have been big
00:11:20.020 on the transgender bathrooms,
00:11:21.860 or,
00:11:22.420 well,
00:11:23.360 you know,
00:11:23.840 he might have made this joke
00:11:25.180 or that line or that quip.
00:11:26.680 One of the things,
00:11:27.420 so he,
00:11:27.780 for starters,
00:11:28.260 he's British.
00:11:29.760 And I'm not making fun,
00:11:30.940 my whole family is British.
00:11:32.900 Brits talk differently
00:11:34.100 than non-Brits do.
00:11:35.940 So,
00:11:36.240 anytime you look at,
00:11:37.260 like,
00:11:37.360 Winston Churchill's quotables
00:11:38.580 or same as Prince Philip's,
00:11:40.680 you have to accept that
00:11:42.260 and have a margin of British
00:11:44.020 around what the acceptable levels
00:11:46.100 of discourse are.
00:11:46.860 But more importantly,
00:11:48.120 we have to stop measuring people
00:11:49.520 against this yardstick of 2022.
00:11:51.720 And I think what Jason Kenney
00:11:53.100 is promoting here,
00:11:54.000 building a statue,
00:11:54.860 is fantastic.
00:11:56.000 I was just in Austria
00:11:57.760 and Hungary
00:11:58.640 on vacation a few weeks back.
00:12:00.800 And when you walk around,
00:12:02.080 especially in Hungary,
00:12:03.080 you look and the statues
00:12:04.480 littering,
00:12:06.100 littering the entire downtown
00:12:07.760 of Budapest,
00:12:08.600 for example.
00:12:09.340 And you look at it
00:12:10.400 and you say,
00:12:10.740 I bet I could Google
00:12:11.580 all of these people
00:12:12.420 and find something
00:12:13.160 to cancel them over.
00:12:14.480 But you don't
00:12:15.240 because you accept
00:12:16.120 that they're a part
00:12:16.720 of a country's story.
00:12:17.780 They're a part
00:12:18.120 of the world's story.
00:12:19.540 And I think we should
00:12:20.660 start a campaign
00:12:21.460 for every statue
00:12:23.060 that is taken down,
00:12:24.480 we build two of them.
00:12:26.040 For every statue
00:12:26.900 that's taken down,
00:12:27.480 we build two.
00:12:27.960 We build the Winston Churchill statue.
00:12:29.700 If they take that one,
00:12:30.500 we build another one
00:12:31.440 to Winston Churchill.
00:12:32.400 And then we pick
00:12:33.060 a bonus figure as well
00:12:34.160 and do that.
00:12:35.020 No, exactly.
00:12:35.740 That's the kind of thing
00:12:36.540 I love to see.
00:12:37.340 And or even, Andrew,
00:12:38.340 if a statue comes down,
00:12:39.680 you rebuild it in its place,
00:12:40.880 but it gets a little bit taller
00:12:41.880 every single time
00:12:42.800 it comes down.
00:12:43.600 So it becomes more...
00:12:45.800 So eventually Queen Victoria
00:12:47.580 is like 87 feet tall.
00:12:49.140 It's like, oh wow.
00:12:50.760 Step aside, CN Tower.
00:12:52.620 Queen Victoria is now
00:12:53.600 the tallest freestanding
00:12:54.800 structure in the world.
00:12:56.340 Wouldn't that be hilarious?
00:12:57.780 But here's my problem too.
00:13:00.240 This is the kind of thing
00:13:01.040 that when I saw this,
00:13:02.220 I'm not the biggest
00:13:04.220 Jason Kenney fan,
00:13:05.400 but when I saw this,
00:13:06.460 I thought this is
00:13:07.020 a fantastic initiative
00:13:09.400 from a conservative
00:13:11.200 premier in this country.
00:13:12.800 It's obvious.
00:13:13.840 As I said before,
00:13:15.380 roads and schools
00:13:16.860 are not enough.
00:13:18.020 There are Queen Victoria
00:13:18.980 public schools
00:13:19.800 coming down
00:13:20.720 and being renamed
00:13:21.620 all across the country.
00:13:23.360 And we know,
00:13:23.820 for example,
00:13:24.220 in Toronto,
00:13:25.380 the city is spending
00:13:26.280 millions of dollars
00:13:27.140 trying to rename Dundas
00:13:28.360 because of how traumatizing
00:13:30.460 the street name is
00:13:31.220 for people.
00:13:31.760 It's clearly,
00:13:33.300 there is clearly
00:13:33.940 an attempt
00:13:34.420 from a part of society
00:13:36.760 to erase
00:13:38.160 or try and rewrite
00:13:39.260 the history
00:13:39.800 or try and cast
00:13:42.320 a shade over our history
00:13:43.680 so that we feel
00:13:44.620 bad about it.
00:13:45.600 And right now,
00:13:46.660 in Queen's Park,
00:13:48.200 the statue of
00:13:48.940 John A. MacDonald
00:13:49.680 is currently boarded up.
00:13:51.180 I think it's been
00:13:51.580 boarded up for over
00:13:52.240 two years.
00:13:53.080 And there's a conservative
00:13:53.760 government in charge
00:13:54.900 at Queen's Park.
00:13:56.100 That statue is still
00:13:57.260 boarded up.
00:13:58.140 So while we have
00:13:59.000 a conservative government
00:14:00.360 in Alberta
00:14:00.860 building new statues
00:14:02.480 using private funds too,
00:14:04.020 it's a completely
00:14:04.480 different thing
00:14:05.160 when the state
00:14:06.780 funds a statue
00:14:07.760 or when a group
00:14:08.980 like the Churchill
00:14:09.740 Foundation,
00:14:10.400 I think that's
00:14:10.700 what they're called,
00:14:11.520 when they privately
00:14:12.360 crowdsource the funds
00:14:13.960 to build the statue.
00:14:15.640 Right now,
00:14:16.340 the statue of
00:14:17.280 our first Prime Minister,
00:14:19.240 the man who basically
00:14:20.020 created this country,
00:14:22.020 is boarded up
00:14:22.720 at Queen's Park
00:14:23.400 because we don't
00:14:23.820 want to offend people.
00:14:24.820 We don't want to
00:14:25.340 make people upset
00:14:26.920 about John A. MacDonald's
00:14:28.260 controversial views.
00:14:29.260 It's crazy to me
00:14:30.620 that we have the CBC
00:14:31.740 telling us that
00:14:32.660 actually no,
00:14:33.260 these monuments,
00:14:34.480 they don't deserve
00:14:35.020 a place in our country.
00:14:36.220 We don't need
00:14:36.560 to build new ones.
00:14:37.760 It's just ridiculous to me
00:14:39.320 and when I saw this,
00:14:40.620 I thought,
00:14:40.940 now that's a policy
00:14:41.740 I can get behind.
00:14:42.480 That's good to see.
00:14:44.020 Yeah,
00:14:44.460 I didn't realize
00:14:45.200 the John A. MacDonald
00:14:46.080 statue is still
00:14:46.820 boarded up.
00:14:47.180 I generally try to avoid
00:14:48.400 downtown Toronto
00:14:49.540 so that's actually
00:14:50.440 quite disappointing.
00:14:51.760 It's incredible.
00:14:52.680 It's this giant
00:14:53.580 wooden box
00:14:54.700 at the top
00:14:55.280 of University Avenue.
00:14:56.480 Like,
00:14:56.660 it's a terrible eyesore
00:14:58.740 and it's bizarre to me too
00:15:00.660 because behind it,
00:15:02.160 and I don't even know
00:15:02.640 if I want to say this publicly
00:15:03.800 because maybe there are
00:15:04.740 Antifa crazy people
00:15:06.220 that are going to do
00:15:06.800 something about it,
00:15:07.240 but behind it,
00:15:08.300 there's a Queen Victoria statue,
00:15:09.420 a beautiful Queen Victoria statue,
00:15:11.140 right up against
00:15:11.880 the Queen's Park grounds.
00:15:12.800 It hasn't been touched,
00:15:13.620 thank God.
00:15:14.020 It hasn't been vandalized.
00:15:15.620 But it's just,
00:15:16.920 it's crazy to me
00:15:17.720 that we allow a symbol
00:15:19.180 like John A. MacDonald
00:15:20.080 to be boarded up
00:15:21.020 for over almost two years
00:15:22.840 in the middle of Toronto.
00:15:24.200 It's a terrible,
00:15:26.320 terrible thing that's happening.
00:15:27.260 So kudos to the people
00:15:29.200 that crowdfunded
00:15:29.980 this Winston Churchill statue.
00:15:32.100 I'd just like to see
00:15:32.960 more of them.
00:15:33.520 Wouldn't it be great
00:15:34.080 to have McDonald statues,
00:15:36.220 Churchill statues,
00:15:36.900 once again,
00:15:37.820 roaming the country?
00:15:38.580 It would be just fantastic.
00:15:40.260 I think one way around it
00:15:42.060 is that
00:15:42.760 we have to accept
00:15:44.080 that most of these people
00:15:45.020 that take down statues
00:15:46.060 are complete idiots
00:15:47.000 and they don't know
00:15:47.720 or care about history.
00:15:49.060 They don't know
00:15:49.640 who Egerton Ryerson is.
00:15:50.900 They just are told
00:15:51.560 they have to hate him.
00:15:52.260 They don't know
00:15:52.640 who John A. MacDonald is.
00:15:53.980 So I think we just take
00:15:55.040 the name cards
00:15:55.860 off of the statues
00:15:56.840 and they won't know
00:15:57.640 who it is.
00:15:58.780 Exactly.
00:15:59.540 Those that are smart enough
00:16:00.920 to at least do their research
00:16:02.220 can think about,
00:16:03.260 oh, that's a nice statue.
00:16:04.400 And then everyone else
00:16:05.060 can just go about their day
00:16:06.060 like they always used to be.
00:16:07.120 Yeah.
00:16:07.640 And in a cashless society,
00:16:08.840 it's not even like
00:16:09.500 they can check against
00:16:10.880 the currency
00:16:11.360 and be like,
00:16:11.820 oh, that looks like
00:16:13.100 McDonald there.
00:16:14.120 And in any case,
00:16:16.160 we had last week
00:16:17.620 the media
00:16:18.500 in a bit of a flurry
00:16:20.060 over this verbal
00:16:22.020 attack on
00:16:22.960 Chrystia Freeland
00:16:23.600 in Calgary.
00:16:24.820 You've seen the video now.
00:16:25.820 We don't need to play that.
00:16:27.020 My position on this
00:16:28.060 is that it's wrong
00:16:29.020 to harass people
00:16:30.340 in that way.
00:16:31.040 And it's not particularly
00:16:31.860 productive either
00:16:32.760 because you end up
00:16:33.620 looking like the jerk
00:16:34.940 and not them.
00:16:35.960 But anything that
00:16:37.160 puts someone
00:16:37.700 in a position
00:16:38.420 where they're feeling
00:16:39.120 threatened is not good.
00:16:40.280 And that's true
00:16:40.720 whether you're going
00:16:41.240 after a liberal politician,
00:16:43.140 a conservative politician,
00:16:44.300 or whether you're going
00:16:45.000 after your neighborhood mechanic.
00:16:46.800 It doesn't matter.
00:16:47.860 But you have to look
00:16:49.100 at the double standards
00:16:50.000 that come out
00:16:50.900 from government
00:16:51.540 condemnations here.
00:16:52.740 And I'm not saying
00:16:53.800 but what about.
00:16:54.900 I'm just pointing out
00:16:56.000 the hypocrisy here.
00:16:57.380 Justin Trudeau condemned
00:16:58.480 what he called
00:16:59.340 hate-filled rants
00:17:00.700 and violent words.
00:17:02.220 Take a look.
00:17:02.940 There's a huge reflection.
00:17:04.360 We have to have
00:17:04.880 about the kind
00:17:05.620 of country
00:17:06.340 we want to be
00:17:07.260 and to understand
00:17:09.000 that the tone
00:17:10.940 of our democracy,
00:17:12.500 the tone
00:17:12.900 of our political debates
00:17:13.820 is set
00:17:14.940 by those politicians
00:17:18.400 who get sent
00:17:19.300 to Ottawa
00:17:19.740 to represent
00:17:20.500 their communities.
00:17:23.120 And if there isn't
00:17:24.520 clear condemnation
00:17:27.140 of the kind
00:17:28.280 of cowardly bullying
00:17:29.260 we've seen,
00:17:30.660 of the kind
00:17:31.240 of hate-filled rants
00:17:33.980 and violent words
00:17:36.880 used against people
00:17:38.000 to say this has
00:17:39.920 no place
00:17:40.500 in our democracy,
00:17:41.320 we can disagree
00:17:42.480 and we need
00:17:43.100 to disagree
00:17:43.700 with each other
00:17:44.480 on policies,
00:17:45.940 on perspectives.
00:17:46.940 That's a robust debate
00:17:48.420 that has to happen
00:17:49.280 amongst Canadians
00:17:50.020 to make sure
00:17:50.560 we're getting it right
00:17:51.420 as a collective,
00:17:52.300 as a country.
00:17:54.020 But to limit
00:17:55.020 the ability
00:17:57.820 of women,
00:18:00.880 of racialized Canadians
00:18:02.120 to serve
00:18:03.000 in government
00:18:03.940 or to hold government
00:18:05.980 to account
00:18:06.580 as journalists,
00:18:07.720 which is the goal
00:18:08.940 of a number
00:18:11.440 of Canadians
00:18:12.480 with very loud voices,
00:18:15.100 well that's something
00:18:16.500 all parliamentarians
00:18:19.260 and all leaders
00:18:20.180 need to stand against,
00:18:22.880 need to be unequivocal
00:18:24.380 in being responsible leaders
00:18:27.400 to say,
00:18:29.160 no,
00:18:29.880 we are not going
00:18:31.860 to become
00:18:32.400 that toxic,
00:18:34.040 polarized country
00:18:35.220 that some think
00:18:36.060 we should become.
00:18:37.860 So this is never
00:18:39.960 a prime minister
00:18:40.840 that would stoop
00:18:41.560 to hateful words
00:18:42.840 or violent rhetoric,
00:18:44.420 right Harrison?
00:18:45.120 Certainly not.
00:18:45.980 No, I mean,
00:18:46.440 what we know
00:18:46.940 from Trudeau
00:18:47.540 is he's the beacon
00:18:49.380 of civility,
00:18:50.240 Andrew.
00:18:51.460 He's a uniter
00:18:52.420 of this country,
00:18:53.620 someone who's presided
00:18:55.100 over a country
00:18:55.680 that's never been
00:18:56.140 more united
00:18:56.640 under his leadership.
00:18:58.000 I mean,
00:18:58.180 it's just absolutely ridiculous
00:18:59.560 and again,
00:19:00.480 not to say,
00:19:01.340 again,
00:19:01.600 we don't want to do
00:19:02.580 the whole whataboutism,
00:19:03.440 but without it,
00:19:04.620 we're just not allowed
00:19:05.240 to call out
00:19:05.840 the selective outrage
00:19:06.800 that we get
00:19:07.220 from these liberal leaders.
00:19:08.840 I mean,
00:19:09.140 of course,
00:19:09.580 you have to look
00:19:10.360 at both sides of this
00:19:11.500 and say,
00:19:11.880 well,
00:19:12.260 where were you guys
00:19:13.340 when your prime minister,
00:19:15.020 your leader,
00:19:15.720 was telling
00:19:16.220 unvaccinated Canadians
00:19:17.300 that something
00:19:19.320 needs to be done
00:19:19.900 about them?
00:19:20.520 I mean,
00:19:20.880 we've seen the footage,
00:19:21.860 we've seen the videos
00:19:22.700 saying that the people
00:19:24.880 that were protesting
00:19:26.060 in Ottawa
00:19:26.420 are a small fringe minority
00:19:27.720 with unacceptable views.
00:19:28.760 Talk about uniting
00:19:30.000 the small fringe minority
00:19:34.660 of people
00:19:36.480 who are on their way
00:19:37.860 to Ottawa
00:19:38.360 or who are holding
00:19:40.420 unacceptable views
00:19:42.660 that they're expressing
00:19:44.080 do not represent
00:19:47.400 the views of Canadians
00:19:49.280 who have been there
00:19:50.660 for each other,
00:19:51.880 who know
00:19:52.420 that following the science
00:19:54.580 and stepping up
00:19:56.500 to protect each other
00:19:57.560 is the best way
00:19:59.280 to continue to ensure
00:20:00.540 our freedoms,
00:20:01.740 our rights,
00:20:02.500 our values as a country.
00:20:03.620 Ah, yes,
00:20:04.700 it seems like
00:20:05.440 just yesterday
00:20:06.380 that his political enemies
00:20:08.240 were an unacceptable
00:20:09.820 fringe minority
00:20:10.720 and then there was
00:20:11.760 this clip
00:20:12.200 from the election
00:20:13.500 last year
00:20:14.100 where he was literally
00:20:14.840 campaigning
00:20:15.700 on this sort of
00:20:17.220 divisive rhetoric.
00:20:18.060 Yes, we're going to
00:20:19.560 get out of this pandemic
00:20:20.680 for the vaccination.
00:20:22.000 And we know
00:20:23.140 all those people
00:20:24.180 who are trying to
00:20:25.460 hesitate a little bit.
00:20:26.280 We're going to try
00:20:27.280 to convince them.
00:20:28.300 But there are also
00:20:28.720 people who are
00:20:29.460 far away from the vaccination.
00:20:31.780 They are extremists.
00:20:32.820 They don't believe in the science.
00:20:34.160 They are often misogynes.
00:20:35.880 They are often racist.
00:20:37.140 They are also a small group
00:20:40.440 but they take place.
00:20:41.460 It's in French but he's saying
00:21:02.020 that unvaccinated people
00:21:03.500 are generally racist,
00:21:04.940 misogynist,
00:21:05.740 extremists.
00:21:06.480 So where is the
00:21:08.080 pearl-clutchy
00:21:08.900 condemnation of that
00:21:10.500 when you have a prime minister
00:21:11.860 who's deliberately
00:21:12.620 trying to inflame people?
00:21:14.080 And again,
00:21:14.760 not at all
00:21:15.920 for a second
00:21:16.680 am I justifying
00:21:18.080 people that lash out
00:21:19.680 and respond
00:21:20.400 but it's that
00:21:21.000 I don't believe
00:21:21.940 they are actually
00:21:23.160 as interested
00:21:23.800 in civility
00:21:24.600 and de-escalation
00:21:25.760 as they're pretending
00:21:27.000 when someone goes
00:21:27.880 after one of theirs.
00:21:28.960 That's all.
00:21:29.540 No, of course not, Andrew.
00:21:30.780 They're not interested in that.
00:21:32.620 They will use division
00:21:34.840 when it matters for them
00:21:36.260 and then they will bring out
00:21:37.160 the unity card
00:21:38.020 when they have this
00:21:39.080 great opportunity
00:21:39.700 to talk about
00:21:40.440 why this is wrong
00:21:41.560 and when Canadians
00:21:43.320 shouldn't do it.
00:21:44.280 But what Justin Trudeau
00:21:45.240 said in that French clip
00:21:46.220 I think
00:21:46.980 and I thought about this
00:21:47.880 before we did the recording
00:21:49.700 after watching that clip again
00:21:51.200 that is probably going to be
00:21:52.680 one of the most disgraceful things
00:21:54.140 I think the prime minister
00:21:55.080 has maybe ever said
00:21:56.580 as leader of our country.
00:21:57.700 It's so unbelievably divisive.
00:22:00.340 You've seen that clip
00:22:01.640 I'm sure
00:22:01.980 many different places
00:22:02.960 people use that
00:22:04.160 as a way to talk about
00:22:05.880 who our leader is
00:22:07.000 in our country
00:22:07.420 because of just how
00:22:08.160 just how insane it is
00:22:09.880 to say those words
00:22:10.900 to say the things
00:22:12.180 that unvaccinated Canadians
00:22:13.680 are racist
00:22:15.180 are misogynistic
00:22:16.540 it's just unbelievable
00:22:18.940 it's frankly
00:22:20.240 the lowest of the low
00:22:22.160 when it comes to dividing
00:22:23.340 and again
00:22:24.520 like we said
00:22:25.560 not to try and
00:22:26.520 make excuses
00:22:27.440 for bad behavior
00:22:28.400 we can all condemn
00:22:29.500 bad behavior
00:22:30.200 but
00:22:30.880 if you tell Canadians
00:22:32.800 if you're a leader
00:22:33.740 of a country
00:22:34.080 and you tell Canadians
00:22:34.800 that make their own
00:22:35.620 medical choice
00:22:36.220 that they are
00:22:37.000 some of the worst
00:22:37.960 they're some of the worst things
00:22:39.040 racist, misogynist
00:22:40.440 for making their own
00:22:41.320 medical decision
00:22:41.980 there is going to be
00:22:43.720 backlash
00:22:44.040 there is going to be
00:22:45.180 a group of people
00:22:45.680 that are going to
00:22:46.260 I think
00:22:48.300 you know
00:22:49.340 take things too far
00:22:50.540 and that shouldn't
00:22:52.820 take a rocket scientist
00:22:53.960 to know that
00:22:54.460 that's going to happen
00:22:55.460 if you say those words
00:22:56.400 and so
00:22:56.760 I mean
00:22:57.600 it's sad to see
00:22:59.340 I think we can all agree
00:23:00.380 that it's sad to see
00:23:01.160 this sort of descent
00:23:02.900 into this
00:23:03.900 lack of civility
00:23:04.780 we're all experiencing
00:23:05.580 but it's not like
00:23:06.860 it's come out of nowhere
00:23:07.760 No
00:23:08.460 and I guess that's the point
00:23:10.140 is that
00:23:10.480 if we want to have
00:23:11.620 a real discussion
00:23:12.580 about civility
00:23:14.320 and de-escalation
00:23:15.360 you can't talk about
00:23:16.820 and treat your political enemies
00:23:18.380 the way the liberals are
00:23:19.980 and I would also say
00:23:20.980 the way the media is
00:23:21.920 with a few notable exceptions
00:23:23.560 so
00:23:23.880 very well said
00:23:25.180 but again
00:23:25.840 I mean
00:23:26.060 we've talked about
00:23:26.900 a lot of lighter stuff
00:23:28.100 on this show
00:23:28.760 I think we need to get to
00:23:29.820 some more serious topics here
00:23:31.300 so that people don't feel
00:23:32.260 they were shortchanged
00:23:33.060 and
00:23:33.820 truly
00:23:34.760 I mean
00:23:35.460 I'm even a bit nervous
00:23:37.380 because there's a fair bit
00:23:38.160 of controversy in this
00:23:39.200 but
00:23:39.440 how do you make
00:23:40.820 a Nanaimo bar
00:23:42.020 this has been
00:23:43.860 a legitimate question
00:23:45.140 that has entered
00:23:45.940 the political discourse
00:23:46.740 this week
00:23:47.140 like I said
00:23:47.660 very controversial
00:23:48.800 Pierre Polyev
00:23:49.680 shared this exchange
00:23:51.440 with a woman he met
00:23:52.240 in Nanaimo BC
00:23:53.180 Ladies and gentlemen
00:23:54.440 I'm in Nanaimo
00:23:55.320 with Katrina
00:23:56.000 and guess what she made for me
00:23:57.880 you guessed it
00:23:58.840 Nanaimo bars
00:23:59.940 and
00:24:00.400 the best Nanaimo bars
00:24:01.560 we left out the keywords
00:24:02.580 sorry
00:24:02.860 it turns out
00:24:03.780 that she makes
00:24:04.420 the best Nanaimo bars
00:24:05.640 not in Nanaimo
00:24:06.600 but in the entire world
00:24:08.140 what's the secret
00:24:09.320 love
00:24:10.220 love
00:24:10.920 that's the secret ingredient
00:24:12.080 don't tell anybody that
00:24:13.340 that's the patented ingredient
00:24:14.800 if you share that
00:24:16.360 you'll be hearing from her lawyer
00:24:18.080 but
00:24:18.740 why aren't you making
00:24:20.040 as many Nanaimo bars anymore
00:24:21.460 well I
00:24:22.780 during COVID
00:24:24.020 January of 2021
00:24:25.260 I opened up
00:24:26.180 a small road stand
00:24:26.880 because I needed
00:24:28.220 money to pay
00:24:29.240 my kids school fees
00:24:30.260 and support fees
00:24:30.880 and I found that
00:24:32.220 in times of COVID
00:24:33.120 a lot of people
00:24:34.160 mainly seniors
00:24:35.020 were coming by
00:24:35.860 just for a friendly face
00:24:36.880 we all masked up
00:24:37.780 we all practiced
00:24:38.680 all the social distancing
00:24:39.640 but it meant a lot to them
00:24:41.260 to come in on Saturday
00:24:42.160 and talk with somebody
00:24:43.100 right
00:24:43.560 unfortunately we
00:24:44.880 I had a real setback
00:24:46.880 in February this year
00:24:47.800 right
00:24:48.280 so I temporarily shut down
00:24:49.700 my bank stand
00:24:50.280 and now that I wanted
00:24:51.960 to reopen it
00:24:52.780 six months later
00:24:53.620 the price of flour
00:24:54.720 has doubled
00:24:55.320 sugar, butter
00:24:56.220 and it's cost prohibitive
00:24:57.940 for me to reopen
00:24:58.780 wow
00:24:59.080 so the price
00:24:59.860 of flour
00:25:00.920 sugar
00:25:01.960 butter
00:25:02.540 butter
00:25:02.920 other ingredients
00:25:04.120 and eggs
00:25:04.760 in addition to love
00:25:06.000 that go into these
00:25:06.740 Nanaimo bars
00:25:07.340 too expensive
00:25:08.280 just
00:25:09.340 just
00:25:10.260 just too expensive
00:25:11.580 just inflation
00:25:12.980 that's why we're going
00:25:14.100 to stop creating cash
00:25:15.340 we're going to start
00:25:16.300 creating more of what
00:25:17.100 cash buys
00:25:17.720 get rid of the
00:25:18.300 inflationary taxes
00:25:19.520 so that we can have more
00:25:20.840 of these love
00:25:22.000 infused
00:25:23.040 Nanaimo bars
00:25:23.960 there's a lot more
00:25:24.700 trust me
00:25:25.040 I will
00:25:25.440 I can resist everything
00:25:26.760 except temptation
00:25:27.800 thank you
00:25:28.620 the woman said that
00:25:29.580 the cost of goods
00:25:30.580 is going up
00:25:31.680 including the cost
00:25:33.000 of flour
00:25:34.540 and a lot of people
00:25:35.540 would say
00:25:35.780 wow yeah I understand
00:25:36.640 inflation's a bit of
00:25:37.500 a big deal there
00:25:38.220 but no
00:25:39.160 Jean Charest's
00:25:40.720 campaign co-chair
00:25:41.800 Tasha Carradine
00:25:42.740 who is a lovely woman
00:25:43.760 I've worked with her
00:25:44.700 on projects
00:25:45.320 we used to work
00:25:45.820 for the same company
00:25:46.580 I don't quite buy
00:25:48.420 where she's going
00:25:49.080 with this one
00:25:49.720 she points out
00:25:50.760 the real fact check
00:25:51.600 here
00:25:51.800 there's no flour
00:25:52.820 in Nanaimo bars
00:25:54.540 well believe it or not
00:25:56.120 this is now something
00:25:57.040 we have to fact check
00:25:58.200 Harrison what did you
00:25:58.920 figure out
00:25:59.480 well so
00:26:00.720 from what I
00:26:01.980 from what I saw
00:26:03.000 it turns out
00:26:04.100 that to make
00:26:05.180 a Nanaimo bar
00:26:05.740 you need graham crackers
00:26:06.800 and it looks as though
00:26:08.840 in graham crackers
00:26:10.160 there's flour
00:26:11.500 so that would
00:26:12.240 that would lead me
00:26:12.860 to think Andrew
00:26:13.600 I'm not a
00:26:14.440 I'm not a baking expert
00:26:15.400 I'm not a cooking expert
00:26:16.260 by any means
00:26:17.000 but it would lead me
00:26:18.800 to believe
00:26:19.380 that that would mean
00:26:20.560 flour is in Nanaimo bars
00:26:22.220 and I mean
00:26:22.960 when you make such a
00:26:24.040 a big statement
00:26:24.960 like like Polly Ev did
00:26:26.320 a real shot across the bow
00:26:27.800 and then
00:26:28.920 and then
00:26:29.280 and then the
00:26:29.980 Jean Charest campaign
00:26:30.840 comes in right behind it
00:26:32.080 coming after them
00:26:32.940 for the flour statement
00:26:33.840 clearly we need it
00:26:34.840 we need it to
00:26:35.280 we need to figure this out
00:26:36.300 and it turns out
00:26:37.020 it looks as though
00:26:38.020 not making any
00:26:39.480 any serious statements
00:26:41.040 not to get in the way
00:26:42.040 of this very serious
00:26:42.760 political dialogue
00:26:43.360 but it looks as though
00:26:44.220 flour is involved
00:26:45.800 in Nanaimo bars
00:26:46.520 yeah if she is making
00:26:48.180 the graham crackers
00:26:49.080 from scratch
00:26:50.300 there is flour in them
00:26:51.620 I mean
00:26:52.280 the real
00:26:52.780 like it's
00:26:53.580 it's an amusing story
00:26:54.660 in some respects
00:26:55.600 but it's also proof
00:26:56.680 of the danger
00:26:58.080 of political discourse
00:26:59.120 right now
00:26:59.600 that if you are
00:27:00.220 against someone
00:27:01.060 you will just
00:27:03.020 not even quite
00:27:04.040 think about
00:27:04.960 where you're going
00:27:06.180 with your attacks
00:27:06.980 on them
00:27:07.420 and the implications
00:27:08.200 of that
00:27:08.720 because when I saw
00:27:09.840 this video
00:27:10.320 I thought the woman
00:27:11.560 was talking about
00:27:12.340 in general
00:27:12.880 she runs a bake shop
00:27:13.860 presumably she bakes
00:27:14.740 things other than
00:27:15.700 Nanaimo bars
00:27:16.540 and they would involve
00:27:17.740 having to buy flour
00:27:18.620 so I didn't even
00:27:19.180 necessarily know
00:27:19.960 it was just an example
00:27:21.020 of Nanaimo bars
00:27:22.660 and flour
00:27:23.120 but that's what
00:27:24.160 people focus in on
00:27:25.240 well no exactly
00:27:26.220 and you can imagine
00:27:27.460 sort of
00:27:27.880 you can imagine
00:27:28.480 the Sheree campaign
00:27:29.620 or Tasha Kiriden
00:27:31.100 sitting there going
00:27:31.840 oh we got them
00:27:32.980 we got them on this
00:27:33.860 there's no flour
00:27:34.780 in Nanaimo bars
00:27:35.380 it's just
00:27:35.740 it's just a bizarre
00:27:36.820 she's a plant
00:27:37.640 she's a plant
00:27:38.520 this is going to be
00:27:40.680 this is going to be
00:27:41.460 a great
00:27:41.880 this is going to be
00:27:42.240 a great comeback
00:27:42.800 we're going to get
00:27:43.320 them on the
00:27:43.800 Nanaimo bar recipe
00:27:44.700 instead of talking
00:27:46.020 about I don't know
00:27:47.020 something about
00:27:47.500 something actually
00:27:48.280 that matters to the
00:27:49.260 campaign
00:27:49.680 I've been seeing
00:27:50.920 a lot of people
00:27:51.420 saying after this
00:27:52.640 whole Nanaimo bar
00:27:53.700 debacle
00:27:54.180 this Nanaimo bar
00:27:54.980 fallout
00:27:55.400 Nanaimo gate
00:27:56.000 yeah the Nanaimo gate
00:27:56.920 a lot of people
00:27:57.380 were saying
00:27:57.740 can this just be
00:27:58.720 over please
00:27:59.320 I mean we've
00:27:59.820 reached I think
00:28:00.320 we reached a
00:28:01.060 conclusion
00:28:01.500 we've spent a
00:28:02.260 long enough time
00:28:02.900 talking about the
00:28:03.540 issues
00:28:03.900 now we're
00:28:04.340 now we're
00:28:04.760 talking about
00:28:05.120 Nanaimo bars
00:28:05.780 let's just move
00:28:06.800 on now
00:28:07.280 and see where this
00:28:08.720 goes
00:28:08.980 I don't think
00:28:09.460 we're going to get
00:28:09.860 any more
00:28:10.240 big policy
00:28:11.300 statements
00:28:11.740 coming from
00:28:12.180 any of these
00:28:12.580 two
00:28:12.820 so there's
00:28:13.640 milk in
00:28:14.460 Nanaimo bars
00:28:15.240 and the only
00:28:15.740 reason I bring
00:28:16.400 that up
00:28:16.700 is to say
00:28:17.160 that the
00:28:17.900 fact that
00:28:18.420 supply management
00:28:19.420 has somehow
00:28:20.340 become less
00:28:21.040 controversial
00:28:21.700 than whether
00:28:22.740 there's flour
00:28:23.540 in Nanaimo bars
00:28:24.940 is a sign
00:28:25.540 that as you
00:28:25.920 mentioned
00:28:26.140 the leadership
00:28:26.580 race has
00:28:27.060 gone on
00:28:27.400 too long
00:28:27.780 but it's
00:28:28.380 over in
00:28:28.960 eight days
00:28:29.760 it's September
00:28:30.280 2nd now
00:28:30.940 it's over
00:28:31.460 on September
00:28:32.500 10th
00:28:32.920 so fear not
00:28:33.600 the Nanaimo
00:28:34.240 gate will be
00:28:34.960 ending soon
00:28:35.500 enough
00:28:35.820 and that's
00:28:48.220 what we call
00:28:48.840 in the business
00:28:49.520 my friends
00:28:50.180 a callback
00:28:51.100 what a great
00:28:51.540 note to end
00:28:52.000 on
00:28:52.240 Harrison Faulkner
00:28:53.240 always a pleasure
00:28:53.940 I am Andrew
00:28:54.700 Lawton
00:28:55.040 this is
00:28:55.600 Fake News
00:28:56.140 Friday
00:28:56.500 on True
00:28:57.100 North
00:28:57.380 we will
00:28:58.360 talk to you
00:28:58.920 next week
00:28:59.400 thanks everyone
00:29:04.960 thanks everyone
00:29:05.480 You