The Candice Malcolm Show - Fake News Friday ｜ Mainstream media gets crushed in Munk debate

00:00:00.000 hello and welcome to you all this is another edition of fake news friday here on true north

00:00:15.280 swimming through the blizzard of lies trying to make sense of it all and having a little bit of

00:00:19.720 fun in the process i am andrew lawton joined as always by harrison faulkner harrison how was the

00:00:26.140 week pretty good andrew i mean we've got some we've got some hilarious stories to get into some

00:00:30.380 just i i would say pretty emblematic of the state of legacy media right now so it's going to be a

00:00:36.300 good show but all in all a pretty good week we're kind of coming down off the emergencies act hearings

00:00:40.660 which uh is a welcome relief coming down you talk about it like it was just some big prolonged acid

00:00:46.580 trip but uh it might have been better and more tolerable if it were i i think we're going to

00:00:51.660 start with a bit of a victory lap here because i i think we can claim some vindication even not true

00:00:57.600 north directly but i think in general the issues that we talk about with this debate that took place

00:01:03.360 uh wednesday night in toronto the monk debate which if you've never been they're very well put together

00:01:08.260 they debate really key issues they bring out good people and the debate was on the following resolution

00:01:15.220 be it resolved don't trust mainstream media are advocating for the motion douglas murray and

00:01:23.260 matt tabey against it malcolm gladwell and michelle goldberg now the debate itself you think okay what's

00:01:30.940 the big deal so what monk debate does when you go there everyone is pulled on what they believe

00:01:36.920 on the motion when people walked in pro so in favor of don't trust mainstream media 48 con 52 so a pretty

00:01:48.340 even split the final vote when they all left after the debate had taken place pro 67 con 33 so the way

00:01:59.220 you measure success in a monk debate is not by your final tally but by the swing from the first tally

00:02:05.560 to the end so by the end of it people were resoundingly in favor of this idea that the

00:02:10.720 mainstream media cannot be trusted i mean it's it's it's just a perfect visualization andrew those

00:02:17.340 graphics i think that of what we're seeing right now why why we're seeing groups like true north

00:02:23.220 grow and why we're seeing so much distrust in the legacy media it's because even even when even when

00:02:28.660 legacy media advocates are forced to try and defend themselves forced to try and you know say to a group

00:02:33.280 of people well yeah you know we know that people don't trust us anymore but here's you know maybe

00:02:37.700 why you should compared to these online news outlets it's obvious that they're just losing their grip

00:02:43.060 their control in the narrative and it's it's just perfect and i mean the the monk debate social media

00:02:48.340 account pulled quotes from the evening and i just want to read a couple of them because it kind of

00:02:53.020 shows you i mean i wish it was there it just shows you what the what the what the argument was for

00:02:58.340 people who are trying to defend the legacy media it was it was almost embarrassing i mean the best

00:03:03.300 one of the best quotes that they had all night i guess for the defense of legacy media came from

00:03:08.920 michelle goldberg the new york time the new york times columnist and she said the mainstream media has

00:03:13.580 gotten the big things right i'm sorry but last i checked throughout most of covid they didn't get

00:03:20.360 most they got most of that wrong uh freedom convoy in canada they got most of that wrong how much have

00:03:25.740 they gotten wrong hunter bides's laptop laptop story deliberate deliberate subversion of it

00:03:30.520 the exactly the entire trump russia scandal which turned out to be a nothing burger they were rolling

00:03:36.300 they were rolling with that for years so for them to basically say of the new york times the new york

00:03:41.380 times columnist standard to say we got the big things right it's it's embarrassing almost it's

00:03:46.520 embarrassing and if that's if that was their argument and this is the result of it clearly it

00:03:50.520 didn't fly in the room and just take a look at some of these quotes as well douglas murray who's from

00:03:53.880 the uk he's a great commentator he came in and just basically laid it out for everyone in the

00:03:58.060 canadian audience just said your mainstream media is funded by the government a totally corrupted

00:04:02.640 system and basically the best that your side has been able to come up with so far tonight is to say

00:04:08.380 we get things wrong quite often but you should trust us anyway so that's exactly that's basically

00:04:13.860 it that's all they that's really all they can offer andrew it's embarrassing yeah i i wasn't able to

00:04:18.940 see the whole thing live unfortunately so i'm going to watch the video when it's posted but

00:04:23.220 a friend of mine who was there said that douglas murray actually talked about the freedom convoy in

00:04:28.100 his comments and and talked about how there was this divide between people that were reporting on

00:04:33.300 the narrative they wanted to be true and those that actually went out and talked to people people

00:04:38.380 like rupa subramania people like you and i and a lot of others from from different independent

00:04:43.200 media outlets and the thing that was interesting and i don't want to generalize too much here but

00:04:47.900 the monk debate is a downtown toronto event it attracts a lot of downtown toronto elites now

00:04:54.900 they're obviously a type of elite that is okay to go into things with an open mind but if you think

00:05:00.080 of that context of it the vote swing is particularly important so this was like a group of downtown

00:05:04.920 well-to-do toronto types that by the end of it were saying two two to one yeah we don't really

00:05:11.720 trust the mainstream media no exactly that's that's that's an important note to make i mean

00:05:16.020 the monk debates are not are not you know i i would say likely it's not like the rebel news live

00:05:21.260 event i was no exactly like it's not a really hard and fast like dyed in the wool like independent

00:05:27.220 media rah-rah uh group it's a group that is typically very much in that not laurentian elites

00:05:33.540 but certainly the toronto elite category well yes andrew they are the globe and mail readers they

00:05:37.980 are the cbc lovers i mean i think that's a pretty safe assumption to make

00:05:41.540 and for douglas murray and for matt taibbi who matt taibbi is is an amazing journalist i have to say

00:05:46.680 he's he you really can't pin him down one side or the other he just tells it like he sees it

00:05:51.100 that's a very uh it's a valuable asset to have as a journalist today because it's so it comes so far

00:05:56.180 and few between but uh uh you know that that's a really important note to make the monk debate was

00:06:01.100 not full of you know i i would say i don't think it was 100 true north uh readers andrew uh like i said

00:06:06.760 i think it's more globe and mail cbc readers uh legacy media legacy media types who were there for

00:06:13.380 an interesting conversation and i think they really got something that was that was you know

00:06:16.980 worth noting i mean look it was another quote that's from malcolm gladwell in this that basically

00:06:21.700 said again you just got to look at the social media account to see the quality of arguments that

00:06:27.140 were being made you could see douglas murray and matt taibbi really getting to the point bringing up

00:06:30.720 key examples of failure in the legacy media and then the legacy media defenders were trying to just

00:06:35.400 you know make these grand statements and say well it's not like as apparently malcolm gladwell said

00:06:39.780 it's not like there are a bunch of uh legacy media journalists getting into a room in the morning

00:06:44.180 and discussing what the narrative is i mean i actually think that is what it is maybe i'm not

00:06:48.660 maybe it's not true but i i i don't get to i don't get a front row seat into the you know globe

00:06:53.020 mail editorial in the morning uh editorial meeting but i am pretty sure actually that they do have a

00:06:58.420 narrative andrew they do stick to that narrative and they just don't report things that don't that

00:07:02.360 don't go in line with it i mean it's pretty obvious that's the case yeah and you know i will say that

00:07:07.700 one of the great things about the monk debates is that people that go there generally speaking i i

00:07:12.060 think have at least a tolerance for the other side and and this swing that we're seeing here has

00:07:17.880 happened before there was the famous one i can't remember how long ago it was maybe five five six

00:07:22.860 years ago between mark stein and nigel farage on one side and louise arbor and simon shama on the other

00:07:28.920 and they were debating refugee policy and like the room was stacked against mark stein and nigel

00:07:34.060 farage but by the end of it the room had come around to their side because certain things when

00:07:39.040 people hear the facts and they hear them laid out they realize there really isn't a compelling

00:07:44.620 argument for it and i think that line that douglas murray gave is quite a strong one that

00:07:49.160 yeah we're saying you're saying that you keep getting it wrong but we should keep trusting you

00:07:53.100 anyway and michelle goldberg's view well yeah we get the big things so you gotta come but even then

00:07:58.280 you don't but even if you did that's hardly the selling point you think and i think one of the

00:08:03.940 challenges here is that we're seeing increasingly this line that some people attempt to draw between

00:08:09.900 official or so-called real media and alternative and independent media and we saw this in a round

00:08:17.140 table that the public order emergency commission hosted this week and you can take a look at the

00:08:22.340 clip of this one particular comment here so what we've seen

00:08:26.760 is that more and more extremists extremist groups use what we call alternative media

00:08:34.980 my colleagues were talking about the social media but more and more what we see are fringe

00:08:40.560 social media that are emerging and i don't want to advertise any of them so i'm not going to give

00:08:46.420 you uh specific names they were extremely present during the convoy in ottawa and we saw journalists

00:08:52.480 and so they're self-made journalists because anybody can proclaim that they themselves a journalist

00:08:58.920 using these platforms and so and they were producing re-information or alternative information on the

00:09:07.800 events so they were saying there were 100 000 people but you've seen the police reports even on a big day

00:09:14.580 there were about 10 000 people in ottawa and so that kind of that's the kind of information manipulation

00:09:21.220 we see but that is a direct result of the distrust of official media but it's now widespread within the

00:09:29.620 the general public and public so these alternative media have emerged and some have a lot of followers

00:09:37.540 uh hundreds of hundreds of thousands of followers with

00:09:43.540 and they appear just as credible as mainstream media with reporters on site on the ground

00:09:51.540 so i think uh i wouldn't call it a war but there there there's definitely a rivalry between these

00:09:58.260 alternate media and mainstream media and of course these media need funding and they do have access to

00:10:05.300 substantial funding so i mean what he's saying there and this is a university of sherbrooke professor

00:10:10.580 who's on a harmful online content advisory board so i think the bias is probably pretty inherently visible

00:10:17.700 there but what he's saying is that extremist groups use alternative media so anything that's

00:10:25.700 independent anything that's not on the government payroll is just some tool of radicals yeah and then in

00:10:32.340 that clip you can see as well he makes the point about the the growing rivalry between alternative

00:10:37.780 media and legacy media and how these not not much of a rivalry if the monk debate results are to be

00:10:43.380 well that's exactly right and just i i would be so interested if we were able to take this question and

00:10:48.100 and and take it outside of the downtown toronto you know sort of globe and mail cbc sphere of influence

00:10:54.100 and really get a real consensus from canadians about what they feel i mean i am absolutely not i'm not i'm

00:10:59.300 not afraid of those results but i have to say i bet you some of the legacy media would be it's

00:11:03.380 interesting to note though he says that there's a rivalry between the alternative media and the

00:11:06.500 legacy media and then he makes the point about how these alternative media sites they have some

00:11:10.580 really have a large following they have a really large following and then and then he also makes

00:11:14.100 the point in view which is i thought to be very interesting he says they appear like legacy media

00:11:19.700 journalists because they have reporters on the ground on the scene and you were at you were at the

00:11:24.660 freedom convoy i was at the freedom convoy and rebel were at the freedom convoy lots of independent

00:11:29.060 media were there among thousands of citizen journalists who were there with their own cameras

00:11:36.500 telling the truth not with the giant tv broadcast camera the producer the cameraman the uh the the

00:11:44.740 the other producer and then the journalist the bodyguard right exactly you know we didn't need a

00:11:49.140 four-person team to just tell the truth and the legacy media did and i think what's really going on

00:11:53.700 here is there's a there's a kind of a growing concern from whether it be academia these legacy

00:12:00.500 media journalists about the fact that they once were able to have confidence that everyone who saw

00:12:07.220 the world through their eyes everyone who thought the same thing about the country they could they

00:12:12.340 could basically control who was a journalist and the idea that the idea that people who were you know

00:12:16.340 maybe not from the not from you know the the universities not from the big media which could

00:12:22.420 potentially be journalists scares them and they want to do everything they can to villainize them

00:12:26.980 to to basically say that they they attract extremists they're not telling the truth he says

00:12:32.340 they manipulate the information that to me tells a lot about the fear that these people have on their

00:12:38.260 on the narrative that they they no longer have access to the complete control of the narrative

00:12:42.900 because groups like true north other independent media outlets and just the citizen himself

00:12:47.540 with his camera are now doing a better job of telling the truth that speaks volumes to me

00:12:51.620 yeah and i mean i would just say to close on this it's not a left right issue as well there are

00:12:55.940 lots of people on the political left that i i think are also increasingly tiring of the mainstream

00:13:01.380 media narrative which is why when i say independent media it's not about conservative media i want

00:13:05.780 more voices i want more people in this space so that consumers of media can decide things for themselves

00:13:11.940 and i think a case in point of this is this associated press article which ctv picked up in a number of outlets around the world

00:13:19.860 about china's covet approach now let me first off say that when you look at all these protests that are taking place in china right now

00:13:27.540 people are protesting policies that are rooted in china's zero covet approach this view that the chinese regime has that one covet case is too many so

00:13:37.300 they're using this to lock people in their homes to do these incredibly draconian and orwellian crackdowns

00:13:43.460 to keep covid passes and vaccine mandates and passports going almost indefinitely and the headline china's zero

00:13:51.780 covet limit saved lives but there's no clear exit so yeah it's great at saving lives but the problem is that

00:13:59.380 they don't have an off-ramp for it nothing else is wrong with it if they put in an end date it would all be

00:14:04.260 fine is what they're saying this goes right to the heart andrew of why so many people are just sick and

00:14:09.860 tired of the legacy media i mean they couldn't if you read this article it really just it really just

00:14:15.860 uncovers a lot about what what's really going on behind the legacy media narrative they they first

00:14:20.340 talk about how you know the zero covet policy of literally putting you forcing you to stay in your

00:14:25.300 apartment in your massive high-rise building for months on end you know not being able to leave

00:14:30.260 in some cases welding your doors shut in in china i mean there are videos all over social media of

00:14:37.380 of the chinese police welding doors to apartments shut so that you can't leave it's tyrannical it's 0.73

00:14:42.900 completely insane with their whole idea of trying to basically like you said stop any any case of

00:14:48.820 covid from entering the country it's never going to happen everyone knows that it's a failed policy

00:14:52.420 but they're doing it anyway so the article rides along the chinese protest um interest that's going around

00:14:58.420 around the world everyone's trying to pay attention to what's going on so this article picks it up and

00:15:02.100 says well yeah the zero code policy it saved lives according to the chinese communist party data

00:15:08.180 which again if you take the communist party data uh you take that data at your own at your own peril

00:15:14.100 i mean i i i don't think you should trust that data for a second they apparently had the low

00:15:18.740 the article pump pumps up the chinese zero cover policy as well saying well china's policy had the

00:15:24.020 resulted in the lowest deaths per capita in the world i mean i don't believe that for a second

00:15:28.260 personally i'll leave that up to you the viewer to decide what you want to take of it but then at the

00:15:32.500 very end of the article at the very bottom of the article they kind of let the truth slip and it

00:15:36.500 ends up just being becoming an advertisement for pfizer and moderna vaccines who could have guessed

00:15:41.700 andrew just look at this paragraph at the end here dr barat pancania an infectious diseases

00:15:47.380 expert at the university of exeter said china should import mrna vaccines made by pfizer and

00:15:52.660 and moderna uh sounds a lot like an advertisement for the vaccines i have to say i mean it is pretty

00:15:59.540 brazen and then and then at the end he also says this should not be about saving face the chinese

00:16:04.340 population is clearly fed up with lockdown after lockdown and the quickest way out is to immunize

00:16:08.580 as fast as possible so there you go andrew who could have guessed actually the policy is just

00:16:12.980 to vaccinate and not to actually just call out what's really going on which is tyrannical

00:16:17.620 covid policy that the chinese people are clearly fed up with yeah it also forgets that like

00:16:22.100 all these western countries like canada that said you would vaccinate vaccinate your way away from

00:16:26.900 restrictions kept restrictions in place long after the vaccination rate got saturated to you know

00:16:33.380 well over 80 pushing 90 percent so absolutely absurd and it's terrible that the media is not seeing

00:16:39.780 through this i mean you could save a life but if while saving a life you are trampling on everyone's

00:16:44.980 civil liberties and making that life not worth living which is what china is doing you're not actually 0.94

00:16:49.860 able to claim a win in my view on this but absolutely shameful that chinese propaganda finds such an easy 1.00

00:16:56.020 home in legacy media outlets uh we go to a bit of a fun more fun one here a legacy media journalist

00:17:03.700 went clothing shopping harrison yes andrew he went he went he went christmas shopping tried to get in on

00:17:09.060 the early uh deals he found himself and i i really do feel bad for glenn he he had to he had to withstand some

00:17:15.140 serious some serious uh danger here he went to one of the outlets just outside ottawa and take a look

00:17:21.620 at what he was faced with i mean the absolute horror andrew the absolute horror of seeing an underarmor

00:17:27.460 sweater with the word wait for it freedom with a canada flag andrew i mean it's it's bordering on hate

00:17:34.820 speech this is the kind of stuff i think that c11 the online uh all this legislation the online hate

00:17:40.980 speech bill that's going to come through this is the kind of stuff that we need to censor because

00:17:44.980 it's just too much to handle andrew yeah so this is glenn mcgregor ottawa journalist went to

00:17:51.540 the i don't know if it's tanger or tanger or tangier maybe it's in algeria i don't know he went to

00:17:57.140 this tanger outlet store outlet mall in canada which is a suburb of ottawa he is uh there he sees this

00:18:05.460 and doesn't actually comment on why it troubles him he he plays it very smart he just posts the

00:18:11.780 tweet he plays it straight and then everyone immediately jumps on him as though he he's

00:18:17.060 effectively triggered by the word freedom now here's the thing glenn mcgregor covered the convoy so

00:18:23.220 i assume that what he's seeing there is that perhaps this is a nod by underarmor to the freedom

00:18:29.460 convoy but the reality is the underarmor freedom campaign has nothing to do with the convoy nothing

00:18:36.180 to do with canadian politics it is actually about veterans it is a veterans initiative proceeds from

00:18:43.620 the sale of underarmor freedom products go towards veterans who are fighting for freedom but glenn

00:18:50.260 shares this and here's just some of the response that he gets uh terry hagan writes wow they just lost

00:18:56.100 my business uh ms t mick says what honestly i have to throw out so much now uh and bellissimo says

00:19:04.260 never buy from that company again now whether these people were under armor customers to begin with i have

00:19:10.100 no idea but the point is is that now people are whipped up into a frenzy based on what is a misrepresentation

00:19:17.300 tacitly anyway of what this thing was because i don't have an easy time believing it was just being

00:19:23.620 shared because he liked the pattern that was on it i think the libs of tick tock response was my

00:19:29.060 favorite here this is hate speech literally shaking did you survive yes no exactly i mean that's all you

00:19:35.460 can really do when you look at something like this it's absurd andrew and i mean it's it's we've reached

00:19:40.660 a point now where the legacy media glenn mcgregor being one of being one of the one of the main

00:19:46.580 offenders in my opinion because of the convoy have been so shaken that the sight of the canadian flag

00:19:53.860 and we know this to be true because the legacy media write articles about the canadian flag all

00:19:57.300 the time the canadian flag being a symbol of hate being seen as a as a freedom convoy symbol it's a

00:20:02.420 negative thing the sight of the canadian flag is is is horrifying to some of these people let alone

00:20:09.620 andrew even worse the word freedom on top of the canadian flag i mean you can't even you can't even

00:20:14.740 begin to imagine how how horrifying it must be for these legacy media journalists but think about this

00:20:19.300 this all goes back to the conversation we started the show off with about legacy media and independent

00:20:24.660 media i have not i i don't for a second believe that the canadian public seeing the word freedom

00:20:31.620 and the canadian flag are triggered are are you know are hit with uh hit with a tsunami of phantom

00:20:38.180 honking andrew that they can't they can't handle themselves i mean i don't believe that to be a for a

00:20:42.580 second but legacy media journalists who created their who created their sort of their information

00:20:47.380 silo where they really believe this stuff they believe the fandom honking they believe the fact

00:20:51.220 that the canadian flag is seen as this as they believe that freedom is now this fringe ideal

00:20:56.180 right exactly they literally believe this stuff and that then that becomes their reality that becomes

00:21:02.420 their truth and there's just no way there's no way that that is what that is what the majority of

00:21:07.060 canadians really think of when they see the word freedom there's no way that that's what the majority

00:21:11.060 canadians think of when they see the canadian flag but you know it takes a certain person i really do

00:21:16.020 believe this to be triggered by the word freedom and a canadian flag so much so that they'd be willing

00:21:22.180 to embarrass themselves by posting it on social media um you know he didn't add context but like

00:21:27.060 you said we all know what he's getting at here it takes it takes a certain level of of complete you

00:21:33.460 you know removal from i believe the normalcy uh real life reality to be willing to post something

00:21:42.660 like this totally absurd ridiculous and honestly what else can you do other than laugh and just say

00:21:48.020 you know you hope that uh you hope someone like glenn can recover one day from this horrifying 0.54

00:21:52.420 experience yes indeed and you know what we always have the quiet comfort of cbc to get us through the

00:22:00.660 tough moments harris why don't you take the lead on this one because i still haven't been able to

00:22:04.020 figure out what on earth is happening well for those of you that saw ratio yesterday i i brought

00:22:08.580 this up as the ratio of the week award the the cbc gem which is the streaming service you have to pay

00:22:14.820 more for because the 1.2 billion dollars that we all pay the cbc isn't enough to get if you felt they

00:22:20.740 need more of your money there is an option and to access such gems as this i mean you have to take a

00:22:26.180 look at this i won't even bother to try and explain it all you got to do is just watch it it's less

00:22:30.820 than a minute do your best we hope that you stick around after the next 56 seconds to hear our

00:22:35.380 commentary on this because it is a bit it is a bit difficult but watch this sabi are you listening

00:22:41.220 to me sabi are you listening to me totally then they said they're open to deepening their relationship

00:22:50.340 with me at other galleries in the foreseeable future and i was like what does that mean are

00:22:55.700 these chia vulvas so there i am thinking i'm getting a very subtle brush off and then they offer me

00:23:02.740 are you ready yep you seem weird i'm not you sure yep berlin they offered you the city in germany

00:23:12.420 bah that's russian to work at a gallery in the queerest city in the universe germany literally 0.76

00:23:18.580 legalized a third gender option on birth certificates can you imagine curating there 0.99

00:23:22.900 while paid internship being there sabi i'm gonna have the most delicious orgy god is like good yeah 0.94

00:23:29.940 totally allahu akbar so andrew i mean uh that is uh that is comedy in the eyes of canada's state

00:23:37.860 broadcaster they've got 1.2 billion dollars to work with some of that assume some of that i presume

00:23:43.220 goes to salary some of that i presume goes to their news coverage which is pitiful but you have to

00:23:47.780 imagine a good amount of money goes to the comedy uh wing of the cbc um and this is what they come up

00:23:55.460 with a story a comedy bit about chia vulvas if i'm getting that right the show is called sort of and

00:24:04.660 the dialogue where they where they kind of just slip in the the germany being the queerest country in the

00:24:09.860 world they legalized the third gender on the birth certificate and how this woman says i'm going to 0.99

00:24:15.860 germany god is like great and then the other person says alahu akbar like oh my god it's so hilarious i

00:24:22.180 mean that's just just brilliant stuff andrew totally totally brilliant and uh i mean i'm not even going

00:24:29.540 to try and bother to add even more context just i actually i actually love this in a way and the

00:24:34.100 point that i made on twitter when i saw this is that you know everyone jumps up and down on pierre

00:24:38.820 polyev for talking about defunding the cbc but i feel cbc makes the most compelling arguments for

00:24:44.900 defunding the cbc when they publish stuff like this so here's the thing i'm not actually a prude i don't

00:24:51.460 care about chia i believe volvae is the proper plural if my latin is correct it's you know v u l v a e

00:24:59.700 although that probably is not the most important point about it all in any case i feel like like i don't

00:25:06.500 actually care about the bid i i care that canadians don't have to support it or not support it like

00:25:14.100 they do with any private sector thing like if true north for example were to pivot from fake news friday

00:25:19.780 and the andrew lawton show and ratioed and instead do something like this the audience would be the one

00:25:26.660 that had to decide if it was worth supporting us in continuation or not cbc fails or succeeds

00:25:34.100 uh ratings wise it doesn't matter they still keep getting the money and typically they get more of

00:25:39.860 the money so uh take from that what you will and know that the queerest gallery in the world has

00:25:46.420 chia vulva so maybe that was actually the reboot of the national you never know uh that does it for

00:25:52.020 us you can catch harrison on ratioed you can catch me on the andrew lawton show and you can catch us

00:25:57.060 both next week on fake news friday thank you and have a great weekend

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The Candice Malcolm Show - December 03, 2022

Fake News Friday ｜ Mainstream media gets crushed in Munk debate

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