The Candice Malcolm Show - October 26, 2021


Former PM Jean Chrétien stares down the woke mob

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Former Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien goes against the woke mob when it comes to reconciliation, but because he's a liberal, he lives to tell about it. In this episode, Candice takes a deep dive on the comments that former PM Jean Chretien made on residential schools, and why he's coming under fire.

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00:00:00.080 Former Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien goes against the woke mob when it comes to reconciliation,
00:00:05.400 but because he's a liberal, he lives to tell about it.
00:00:07.800 I'm Candice Malcolm and this is the Candice Malcolm Show.
00:00:14.600 Hi everyone, thank you so much for tuning in.
00:00:16.700 Today I want to do a bit of a deep dive on former Liberal Prime Minister Jean Chrétien
00:00:20.920 and the comments that he made on residential schools, how he's coming under fire.
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00:01:07.540 So I want to talk a little bit today about Jean Chrétien, who was the Liberal Prime Minister.
00:01:11.820 He was the Prime Minister from November 1993 all the way until December 2003,
00:01:17.620 over 10 years in office. And before that, he was a high-ranked minister in the government
00:01:22.460 of Pierre Trudeau, Justin Trudeau's father. So he is an old-school liberal.
00:01:26.840 He is 87 years old right now, the oldest living Canadian Prime Minister.
00:01:32.000 And so Chrétien has a new book out, My Stories, My Time, Volume 2.
00:01:36.220 So this is the follow-up to his first memoir and he's out doing the rounds promoting it.
00:01:40.800 So on Sunday evening, he was on two major networks doing an interview.
00:01:45.260 So his English interview was over on CTV on the show Question Period with Evan Solomon
00:01:49.520 and his French interview was on Radio Canada, the very, very popular talk show called
00:01:55.520 Tout Le Monde and Pearl. And he made some comments. Basically, his comments can be split into two
00:02:00.800 and I'm going to go through both of them right now. The first one was a critique of the Justin Trudeau
00:02:05.680 government and the way that Trudeau is running things from everything from foreign policy
00:02:09.680 to his spending, to his deficits, to his printing of money, which is pretty remarkable in and of itself.
00:02:14.960 Given that we have a sort of storied, very successful, very revered liberal prime minister
00:02:22.320 critiquing very openly the current liberal prime minister, saying that Trudeau doesn't listen
00:02:28.160 to people like him and unleashing a pretty, pretty serious criticism.
00:02:33.680 And the second thing, the one that the media is really, really picking up on is that Chrétien
00:02:38.140 spoke his mind when it came to residential schools. He said some things that would have not been
00:02:42.120 controversial a couple of years ago. He said some things that most Canadians probably on some level
00:02:46.600 agree with. However, it goes against the media narrative that the media has spent the last six
00:02:51.580 months building up, building up this hatred of Canada, this, this idea that Canada is uniquely evil,
00:02:57.000 that we committed genocide, that everything that we did in the past was just purely evil. And even the
00:03:03.160 intentions behind it were evil. And you can't, there's, there's no defending it whatsoever.
00:03:07.320 Chrétien, it's like he, it's like, he didn't get that memo. It's like, he didn't pay attention to the
00:03:11.640 media and their made up narrative. They're over the top rhetoric. They're, you know, trying so hard
00:03:17.000 to be woke. And he, and he just said what he believes. And, and so it's pretty remarkable just
00:03:22.520 in, in, in that, in that we, here we have a liberal leader who is not cowering to the woke mob,
00:03:27.960 not cowering to the legacy media and their made up narrative. He's just speaking what he believes
00:03:33.000 is the truth and what happened. And so we're going to go through his comments right now.
00:03:36.920 So first, when he was on Tutte Le Monde, he was asked about the residential schools. He was asked
00:03:41.960 why he didn't act sooner to dismantle them, even though the last one did close on his watch. So
00:03:47.400 they did close under his leadership as prime minister, but not soon enough. You know, they,
00:03:53.400 they remained open for decades while Chrétien was running the ship, both as the minister of Indian
00:03:58.280 affairs and then later as prime minister. And Chrétien said this, he said, no one ever mentioned
00:04:03.640 this problem when I was minister, never. And so, you know, the media being the media run out and tried
00:04:09.560 to dispute this comment, try to fact check it, try to find examples of the, in the public record of
00:04:15.240 people raising this concern to him. I believe Chrétien, he said that it wasn't brought to his
00:04:19.800 attention. It was clearly not a major issue at the time. Maybe someone wrote a letter, but that
00:04:24.120 doesn't mean that the minister read it. The minister is dealing with, you know, hundreds and
00:04:28.360 hundreds of things every day. And just the fact that someone wrote a letter doesn't mean that he
00:04:32.520 actually read it. Then Chrétien goes on to compare the ill treatment of children at residential schools
00:04:39.720 to the experience of boarding schools at the time. And of course the media is, is, is like taking this
00:04:45.720 out of proportion again, saying how, how, how dare he compare his own experiences at boarding school
00:04:51.400 to the horrors of residential school. I just want to pause for a second and say that the idea that
00:04:56.200 there were abuses that took place at residential schools, that is obviously true, that that's been 0.95
00:05:01.080 documented, but to take a step back as Chrétien is doing, it's like, you know, this is a different
00:05:06.120 time. There were different norms. There were different standards. The whole idea that there were
00:05:09.640 abuses by the Catholic church. We all know those abuses were widespread. They happened wherever there's a
00:05:15.640 Catholic church all over the world. So the idea that someone could only have a bad experience at a
00:05:20.600 residential school and it was much, much different than someone who could have also been abused in 0.98
00:05:25.000 a Catholic school situation in a different boarding school is kind of silly. But again, the media being 0.88
00:05:30.280 the media try to, you know, make, make it seem like it's an outrageous story. So they have this quote from
00:05:35.800 Chrétien. He was speaking in French. So this is the translation, but he said, I ate baked beans and oatmeal
00:05:40.920 and to be sure it was hard living in a boarding school, extremely hard here in Quebec. We had to, in order to
00:05:46.120 get into university. In Shewinigan, we didn't have a college. I had to go to Travier or Joulette. He
00:05:51.640 explained, I had new choice, but it was hard. My parents insisted I go to university and I had to
00:05:55.400 do it. He went on to say, we can't rewrite history. Terrible things happened. I even adopted an
00:06:00.360 Indigenous son to lead by example. This proves my investment in the issue. So again, Chrétien has,
00:06:06.760 has a pretty good record when it comes to his life and, and his commitment to this issue, but the media
00:06:11.800 trying to make it seem like it is extremely different to go to boarding school versus going
00:06:17.720 to a residential school. Look, I have a friend who went to boarding school and while he was in
00:06:22.680 boarding school in high school, his roommate committed suicide. His roommate committed suicide
00:06:26.840 and he was the one that found his roommate. So, so this idea that residential schools were so uniquely
00:06:33.000 different and more awful than regular boarding schools. It's like, look, there are terrible things
00:06:37.000 that happen in this world. There are terrible things that happen in all sorts of situations.
00:06:41.080 Boarding schools, much like residential schools, can be incredibly lonely places. And so again,
00:06:46.280 this idea that you can't compare a bad experience that someone had at a boarding school to the bad
00:06:51.720 experiences at residential schools is just not true. Like there are bad experiences that people have
00:06:57.000 in, in many different scenarios. And so we should fully reject this idea that the media have created,
00:07:02.360 but again, the media have created this scenario where you can't compare that, that comparing is just sort
00:07:08.040 of whataboutism. And it diminishes the experiences of First Nations, even though again, lots of people
00:07:13.720 had bad experiences growing up. Next, as I mentioned, Chrétien was also over on CTV on the show Question
00:07:19.480 Period with Evan Solomon. I want to play you a clip of Evan and Jean Chrétien just to show you the part,
00:07:24.920 again, where they're talking about residential schools. The things that Jean Chrétien says are obvious to him.
00:07:29.960 They probably would have been obvious and common sense to many, many Canadians, not too long ago,
00:07:34.600 before this media narrative came up that Canada has committed all kinds of terrible, unspeakable
00:07:39.880 crimes and that every aspect of residential schools is equated to genocide. So here, I'll break it into
00:07:46.120 two. This is the first question that Evan Solomon asked Jean Chrétien about whether or not he regrets
00:07:51.880 not shutting down the residential school system sooner. Mr. Chrétien, we are living through a time of
00:07:58.040 reconciliation. You are the former Minister of Indian Affairs. You talk about it, obviously, in your book.
00:08:06.920 Now, there's the recovery of the unmarked graves at the residential institutions, as you know.
00:08:14.280 I know that you were involved in the white people. This is a big part of your life.
00:08:18.520 A lot of folks say you and Pierre Trudeau should have shut down the residential school system then.
00:08:24.680 Instead, what's your view of it now? Do you take any responsibility for that?
00:08:30.520 They were there since a long time. And, you know, the last one was close by me when I was Prime Minister.
00:08:38.440 We had to manage the problem at that time. You know, education was a very important thing for Natives.
00:08:45.080 When I became the minister, there was only a dozen, I think, Indian people graduating from university.
00:08:55.480 Thousands and thousands are graduating every year now. Education is the key. And in those days,
00:09:01.720 in the isolated area, that was the system they had.
00:09:04.920 But they don't regard that as education. They regard it as cultural genocide.
00:09:09.240 No, no. But, you know, I'm telling you what is the situation.
00:09:12.520 So, again, just amazing stuff here. Because in that clip, what you saw Jean Chrétien do was defend residential schools.
00:09:19.480 Like, today, the divide that basically happens is if you're on the woke-left mob,
00:09:24.440 you think that Canada is a terrible, awful country that committed genocide.
00:09:28.520 Every terrible accusation against Canada is true. Every historical leader must be cancelled and erased 0.98
00:09:33.560 because they were people who oversaw this genocidal system.
00:09:36.840 And the pushback to that is people more on the right or centrists or just sort of the people who reject the woke mob
00:09:43.800 who say, look, the residential school system was bad. We're not defending it. 0.98
00:09:48.680 However, Canada didn't commit genocide. You know, the intent wasn't there to actually kill an entire race of people.
00:09:55.160 Whereas what Jean Chrétien is saying is he's going one step further and he's basically defending the idea of these residential schools.
00:10:02.120 He's saying that the point was education. Education is so important.
00:10:06.120 And he even touts the success of these residential schools in ensuring that many, many more First Nations people go to university than they did.
00:10:14.120 So this is truly amazing, incredible stuff. Not even a conservative politician today would come out and defend residential schools in this way.
00:10:21.960 You would never hear something like this from Erin O'Toole or any of the other conservative leaders in this country.
00:10:27.480 So here we have a former Liberal Prime Minister going much further.
00:10:31.000 So then you have Evan Solomon kind of in like a smarmy way jumping in and saying, well, no, they don't regard it as education.
00:10:37.560 They regard it as cultural genocide. Well, that's not even the case.
00:10:40.200 You know, you have a very loud activist to say it was cultural genocide.
00:10:43.640 You have the people who are the ones pushing the woke narrative that say it was cultural genocide.
00:10:48.760 But that's not the broad consensus among First Nations.
00:10:51.960 So you have Evan Solomon reiterating this woke narrative, reiterating the worst accusations against Canada as if they're facts, as if that's the consensus now.
00:11:00.760 And sort of shaming Jean Chrétien for defending his record and defending at least the idea behind residential schools was the education.
00:11:09.720 Let's play the rest of this clip where Solomon and Jean Chrétien talk about the legacy of residential schools.
00:11:16.040 And we were not in the form of any abuse at that time.
00:11:20.280 So that was the situation.
00:11:22.680 And for me, you know, I offer with my white paper to abolish the Department of Indian Affairs, to abolish my job.
00:11:38.920 And the Anita Act.
00:11:40.120 Yes.
00:11:40.520 And now the people complain we have Indian Act.
00:11:43.480 They refuse that.
00:11:46.040 You know, I had to back down.
00:11:48.280 Don't you remember that?
00:11:49.560 I do.
00:11:50.120 After consultation, when people were arguing that we had an apartheid system,
00:11:55.640 having reserved for them an Indian Act and a Department of Indian Affairs and a Minister of Indian Affairs.
00:12:02.760 I said, you're right.
00:12:04.600 You know, it is an apartheid system.
00:12:06.520 I will abolish that.
00:12:07.560 And so pretty remarkable stuff there as well.
00:12:09.960 Chrétien brings back his idea of the 1969 White Paper, which this idea was to abolish the entire system,
00:12:16.920 the entire two-tiered system of different laws for First Nations people, different rules for First Nations people.
00:12:22.520 He wanted to abolish it all and more or less just assimilate the two groups together instead of having a separate law for First Nations,
00:12:30.280 a separate one.
00:12:30.760 You heard him talking about how it was sort of like apartheid.
00:12:34.200 Well, remember, he tried to champion this idea, him and Pierre Trudeau.
00:12:38.760 But they were shot down by a few very loud, very vocal activists within the First Nations community.
00:12:43.480 Probably not the consensus of the First Nations community.
00:12:46.520 Probably not the consensus of the entire country.
00:12:49.320 But it's pretty remarkable, again, that Jean Chrétien tried to eliminate this entire system and he was shut down.
00:12:56.040 Even just the idea of doing that today is so outside of the realm of the sort of things that are okay to talk about,
00:13:01.960 what we call the Overton window of ideas.
00:13:04.120 You don't hear anybody proposing this anymore.
00:13:07.080 And it's kind of a shame because I think that Chrétien and Pierre Trudeau were actually onto something in this idea that we shouldn't have this reserve systems.
00:13:13.880 We shouldn't have separate laws and separate rules for First Nations.
00:13:16.680 But alas, there goes Jean Chrétien, again, defending something that you would never hear.
00:13:21.000 Even a conservative, even a radical, even someone like Maxime Bernier, you wouldn't hear these kind of comments about today.
00:13:27.320 So Chrétien does go pretty far outside of the norm of what we're allowed to talk about today.
00:13:32.680 And because of it, Jean Chrétien is facing some pushback.
00:13:35.720 I will say it is pretty minor.
00:13:37.400 He is not getting canceled.
00:13:38.840 He is not.
00:13:39.480 The woke mob isn't coming for his head in the same way as, again, if a conservative politician had said any of this stuff.
00:13:45.240 But we did see some minor pushback.
00:13:46.760 So here is a CTV story.
00:13:48.840 Former PM Chrétien called out over comments on residential schools.
00:13:53.320 This is just kind of silly, but you notice at the top of the story here, it says,
00:13:56.680 warning details in this story may be disturbing for some.
00:13:59.960 So a little trigger warning on the CTV story.
00:14:02.360 Here it says, former Prime Minister Jean Chrétien is being called out over his recent comments on residential schools after stating he was not aware of any abuse happening in these institutions while he was Minister of then Indian Affairs.
00:14:12.680 Goes on to say Chrétien was Minister of Indian Affairs between 1968 to 1974 under then Prime Minister Pierre Trudeau.
00:14:19.240 He went on to become Prime Minister and saw the last operational residential school closed while he was in office.
00:14:25.080 In the CTV interview, Chrétien was asked whether he takes some responsibility in light of the continued discoveries of unmarked graves at former residential schools.
00:14:32.360 And then it just goes on to quote what he says about education.
00:14:36.760 And then it goes on to the critiques of him.
00:14:39.720 Responding to these assertions on Monday morning, NDP MP and Critic for Indigenous Youth, Charlie Angus,
00:14:44.760 cited a handwritten letter he'd read from a teacher to then Minister Chrétien that was from St. Anne's Residential School in Fort Albany, Ontario.
00:14:52.200 It was dated in 1968.
00:14:53.560 And again, just because someone wrote a letter to the minister doesn't mean that the minister read it.
00:14:57.720 The minister is incredibly busy.
00:14:59.560 He's got so much going on on any given day.
00:15:01.800 So just because they found a letter that was addressed to him doesn't prove anything.
00:15:05.960 But again, the media are really digging deep here to try to refute these comments and embarrass Chrétien.
00:15:11.720 But again, this is all kind of water off a duck's back for Chrétien.
00:15:14.200 It doesn't really stick to him.
00:15:15.960 The next criticism in the CTV piece, it goes on.
00:15:18.040 It says in both interviews, Chrétien also appeared to be comparing his personal experiences to those of Indigenous people.
00:15:23.960 In the Radio Canada interview, Chrétien appeared to draw parallels between the experiences of Indigenous children at residential schools
00:15:29.960 and those of young people like himself who attended boarding schools, saying life was difficult for all of them.
00:15:35.400 I was at boarding school from age six to age 21, Chrétien said.
00:15:38.600 I ate baked beans and oatmeal.
00:15:40.200 It was difficult.
00:15:41.480 The life of a boarding school student, very difficult.
00:15:44.520 And then they found someone to refute that again.
00:15:48.200 Here is a First Nations person saying, I think Mr. Chrétien, with all due respect, doesn't exactly realize what an Indigenous residential school is.
00:15:56.440 It was called a residential school, but it wasn't a school.
00:15:59.320 He said that eating certain foods does not compare to the experiences of First Nations children.
00:16:05.080 So again, saying that just because you had a bad experience, you cannot compare it to a bad experience of someone else. 0.97
00:16:10.600 Again, this is ridiculous.
00:16:11.880 Like I said, life is incredibly hard. 0.96
00:16:13.800 A lot of people suffer.
00:16:14.760 A lot of people have horrible experiences.
00:16:17.240 Boarding school, in particular, can be a very, very awful place, like the experience of my friend.
00:16:23.160 But again, to the woke mob, you're just not allowed to compare one to another.
00:16:27.640 Then the story goes on to talk about the white paper.
00:16:29.960 That idea that Jean Chrétien wanted to just abolish the entire system of Indian affairs
00:16:34.120 and basically have just one set of laws for all Canadians.
00:16:37.160 Which again, I think that there's a lot of validity to that idea.
00:16:40.200 And I wish more people would still talk about it today.
00:16:42.440 But this is how the media frames that idea.
00:16:44.520 CTV writes,
00:16:45.880 During his tenure as minister, Chrétien proposed a highly controversial and ultimately withdrawn white paper
00:16:51.240 that was viewed by Indigenous people as assimilationist, as it proposed, among other things, to eliminate Indian status.
00:16:57.800 He said he backed away from that proposal after hearing the concerns from Indigenous groups,
00:17:01.480 though he seemed to downplay the concerns over assimilation raised in regards to his white paper proposal.
00:17:06.920 This part is pretty incredible.
00:17:09.000 Gretchen says, 0.87
00:17:10.360 Am I assimilated?
00:17:11.640 I'm French.
00:17:12.280 I'm in Ottawa.
00:17:13.080 I think I'm still French.
00:17:14.120 So what is assimilation?
00:17:15.480 Life changes.
00:17:16.280 You know, it's not the same life that they were living in those early days.
00:17:19.960 Everybody adjusts to the new reality.
00:17:22.280 So again, Gretchen is just sort of downplaying it. 1.00
00:17:24.760 Just talking about life in a very clear way without worrying about all the loaded terms,
00:17:30.600 about all the woke ideology.
00:17:31.880 It's kind of refreshing to just hear a politician say, look, we're French, we were assimilated.
00:17:36.520 The First Nations people, you know, they might be assimilated too.
00:17:39.720 Kind of like big deal.
00:17:41.240 But again, the media just cannot handle it.
00:17:43.240 So if you think this CTV report was bad, I'm going to show you a bit of this CBC report.
00:17:48.520 Actually, I'm going to show you the whole CBC report,
00:17:50.920 because I want to show you every element of the way that they cover it,
00:17:54.200 the way that they frame it, the clips that they choose.
00:17:56.280 This is just a total hit and smear piece.
00:17:58.760 And you can see how the CBC doesn't even care at this point that Gretchen is a liberal. 0.98
00:18:03.400 They go after him with everything they have.
00:18:05.800 This is one of the most reckless pieces of journalism that you can find out there today,
00:18:09.800 just in the one-sidedness of it.
00:18:11.720 This is standard, of course, for the CBC, but it is pretty remarkable that it is a liberal.
00:18:15.880 So watch this clip.
00:18:16.840 This is how the CBC is framing the entire issue.
00:18:19.000 That revelation on the French-language talk show Tout le Mans en Parle sparked backlash.
00:18:29.640 I don't know how he could not have heard about the abuse that was going on in residential schools.
00:18:37.720 So it's, I don't believe it myself personally.
00:18:42.680 Before he was Prime Minister, Jean Cretchen served as what was then called Indian Affairs Minister,
00:18:49.000 from 1968 to 1974.
00:18:52.280 During that time, Cretchen claims no one ever told him about the horrors of residential schools.
00:18:58.360 At the time, there was no support.
00:19:00.200 There was no validation of the suffering.
00:19:02.440 Delia Alpikakue says many residential school survivors like her
00:19:07.560 weren't ready to share their suffering back then.
00:19:10.200 We were afraid to talk about it.
00:19:12.760 And of course, there was a lot of shame because of the,
00:19:17.640 as victims, people were abused harshly.
00:19:24.200 In his interview, Cretchen also drew a comparison
00:19:27.960 between his own experience attending boarding school
00:19:31.000 to that of Indigenous children forced to attend residential schools.
00:19:35.240 Maybe he wasn't listening.
00:19:37.560 This former Truth and Reconciliation Commissioner worries Cretchen's comments
00:19:42.280 could encourage others to claim they didn't know.
00:19:45.320 And that really sets us back.
00:19:47.400 And I am concerned about that.
00:19:49.240 So again, pretty incredible stuff there.
00:19:51.640 And Cretchen refuses to back down.
00:19:53.640 He refuses to cower to the media, to the woke mob.
00:19:56.040 He says, look, we can't rewrite our history.
00:19:57.960 Bad things happened to everyone.
00:19:59.320 Let's look forward.
00:20:00.600 And he also, in his own book, he chose to write about this.
00:20:04.120 That he advised Queen Elizabeth not to apologize to the Maori people in New Zealand.
00:20:09.240 Because if she started to apologize to every Indigenous community
00:20:13.080 in all of the British Empire, she would end up spending two years in Canada
00:20:17.160 on her knees apologizing to all the various chiefs and tribe leaders.
00:20:22.440 So again, pretty remarkable stuff.
00:20:24.200 You would never hear a politician say this.
00:20:26.280 I think it's refreshing.
00:20:27.320 I think that Canadians should appreciate that Cretchen is saying the things that so
00:20:31.240 many people are afraid to say today.
00:20:33.880 And again, having the media turn on him.
00:20:36.680 So I said that Cretchen lives to tell about it.
00:20:39.400 Because despite this sort of manufactured media firestorm, a story on CTV, a story on CTV,
00:20:45.720 they found, you know, five people to come out and say how horrible Cretchen is for these beliefs.
00:20:50.440 And sort of try to open old wounds again and make us feel guilty once again.
00:20:56.280 Regardless of that attempt, Cretchen walks away from this looking pretty good.
00:20:59.960 You know, he's trying to sell his book.
00:21:01.560 He wants the attention of his comments.
00:21:05.080 He wants people to be interested in what he has to say.
00:21:07.320 And I think that he accomplished that at this point in his life.
00:21:09.640 Look, he's got nothing to prove.
00:21:10.840 He's got nothing to lose.
00:21:12.760 He just wants to tell a story.
00:21:13.880 He wants Canadians to pay attention to him once more.
00:21:17.240 It's really interesting that he also used this as an opportunity to slap down Trudeau,
00:21:20.840 to say that he's not really doing a very good job.
00:21:23.720 But again, if this was a conservative politician,
00:21:26.120 we know they would have gotten canceled.
00:21:27.320 We know that the reaction would have been much, much worse.
00:21:29.800 This story has already moved away from the headlines, off social media.
00:21:33.160 Everyone's moved on to talk about Trudeau's cabinet shuffle
00:21:36.200 and a couple of other things in the news today.
00:21:38.280 So this story is sort of no longer a controversy,
00:21:41.800 despite the media's best attempts there.
00:21:44.440 And again, you know,
00:21:45.320 we know that Chrétien would have been treated much, much differently,
00:21:47.640 much, much worse if he was a conservative.
00:21:49.240 Just remember, it was what, a year ago.
00:21:51.000 Salkwell Day compared his own experiences being bullied for wearing glasses
00:21:55.560 to the negative experiences that some Canadians
00:21:58.200 might have experienced with racism when they were growing up.
00:22:00.680 Sort of tried to make that comparison.
00:22:02.440 And because of that, he was the absolute target of a firestorm
00:22:06.040 that led to him getting removed from CBC.
00:22:09.560 He's no longer a guest over there.
00:22:11.240 He lost a position that he had with a law firm as well.
00:22:13.720 So he actually did have a financial loss and penalty from comments
00:22:17.400 that are actually pretty similar to what Jean Chrétien said.
00:22:19.880 Of course, Chrétien is not apologetic.
00:22:22.520 He's not backing down.
00:22:23.640 He's not apologizing the way that Salkwell Day did,
00:22:25.560 which I think is a good tip for people out there.
00:22:28.520 You know, if you are the center of a firestorm, don't apologize.
00:22:31.880 Just continue, like Chrétien did, to say what you believe,
00:22:35.880 to sort of stand your ground.
00:22:37.640 And then the media just sort of realized that,
00:22:39.480 okay, we can't take you down.
00:22:40.840 And they move along to the next story, which they did to Chrétien.
00:22:43.640 So Chrétien lives to tell about it.
00:22:45.320 I hope that he will inspire more Canadians out there
00:22:48.280 to face back against the woke mob,
00:22:50.920 push back against this terrible narrative that Canada 0.89
00:22:53.400 is this awful genocidal country.
00:22:54.840 It's not true.
00:22:56.200 Yes, bad things happened in the past.
00:22:57.640 Yes, residential schools, by and large, were terrible.
00:23:00.680 But the best thing that we can do, again, is to learn from the past,
00:23:04.600 understand the history, realize that it wasn't perfect, 0.95
00:23:06.760 but that at the end of the day, Canada is a damn good country.
00:23:09.400 We have a lot to be proud about. 0.90
00:23:10.680 We have a lot to be proud for.
00:23:12.040 We should be patriotic and love our country
00:23:14.120 because we got a lot of things right.
00:23:15.720 And we continue to get a lot of things right as we try to improve.
00:23:18.600 I hope that people will draw inspiration from Jean Chrétien
00:23:22.360 and his attitude towards all this.
00:23:24.120 I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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00:23:48.360 I'm Nascade Malcolm.