How well do we know Mark Carney？
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Candice Malan and Cosmin Zherja take a deep dive into the life of Mark Carney, who is running to become the next Prime Minister of Canada. In this episode, they talk about his background, his views on climate change, and why he thinks a carbon tax is a good idea.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm, and welcome to The Candice Malcolm Show.
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We are going to do a deep dive on Canada's next unelected WEF-selected Prime Minister
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He is, I think it's in the cards, I think that he's a shoo-in for leader of the Liberal
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Party, which means that he will be installed as our Prime Minister, unelected, not voted
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by you or me or the people, but instead selected by backroom dealers in the Liberal Party.
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Now, to help me break it all down and go through his past, and I really try to understand who
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this man is, I'm pleased to be joined today by Cosmin Zherja.
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Cosmin is a senior researcher and journalist over at Trenorth.
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So first of all, Cosmin, thank you so much for joining us.
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So let's talk about Mark Carney, because he's sort of come out of nowhere.
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And now suddenly he paints himself as an outsider, even though, Cosmin, we know that he's been
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He's been helping Justin Trudeau throughout the entire post-COVID recovery.
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It's going back as early as 2020, he's been an advisor.
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And before that, he was the governor of the Bank of England.
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And before that, he was the governor of the Bank of Canada.
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So why don't you tell me a little bit about what you have been uncovering over there at
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Canadians have a sort of surface level understanding of who Mark Carney is.
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For a while, he's been this neutral figure as a public servant, right?
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So they're supposed to be neutral at arm's length to some degree from the government.
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And we had the idea of using his own words as printed in his 2021 book called Values to
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hold him to account for some of the beliefs he states there.
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Now, it's a 600-page book, and it's virtually a manifesto of Carney's ideas about how the
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economy should work, how climate policies should work, his ideas about the future of money and
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So we wanted to use this as a launchpad to investigate his background, his various positions,
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and to ask him about these beliefs that he states in this book so openly compared to some
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of the things he's saying now, like the carbon tax, for example.
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We're hoping to do at least three or four parts of this series investigating various issues
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It's called Values, Building a Better World for All.
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So some of the things that kind of jump out, I mean, we know that he's running for prime
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And one of the things that he's trying to do is move away from his record on carbon tax,
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even though he has been a huge advocate for carbon tax, so much so that he talks about
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how politicians need to be pressured into doing the right thing.
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And even if you can't flip-flop, you have to maintain a commitment to it.
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So why don't you help us understand, like, what does this book, Values, say about carbon
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So he specifically says that the carbon pricing scheme, carbon taxes, in other words, are
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And to me, cornerstone means that everything else is built around the carbon tax.
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He calls it a central piece of dealing with climate change and entering this net zero future
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that, you know, global finance people like to talk about, that World Economic Forum types
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And he points specifically to the Canadian federal pricing model first introduced by Prime
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Minister Justin Trudeau, I think, in 2017 with the Canada Carbon Pricing Act, if I recall
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And he essentially says that this is the model that the rest of the world should follow.
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This is in 2021, at a time when sentiments for the carbon tax weren't exactly overwhelmingly
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By this time, people have turned against the carbon tax.
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And if you recall back, even before the Freedom Convoy, there was the United We Roll Convoy that
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I think it was around 2018 in Ottawa and to promote pro-energy policies.
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So I don't know where he gets this idea that the carbon tax was immensely popular.
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And he says that it was able to navigate the complexities of Canadian federalism, which is
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Because when we think about the carbon tax, we also have to think about all of the challenges
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that have come from Alberta, from Saskatchewan.
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So we went to Mark Carney with some questions about this.
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And of course, his campaign has refused to answer.
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Well, but we have heard him talk recently about carbon taxes.
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So let's kind of break through what, break down what Mark Carney has said specifically
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So let's first start with Mark Carney saying that the problem with carbon taxes is that they're
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Now, so far, carbon prices have been applied sparingly.
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Single digits on average globally, well short of the estimated $80 to $100 a ton needed by
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the end of this decade to keep us on track to net zero.
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This is when he launched his leadership campaign in Edmonton a few weeks ago.
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He was specifically asked where he stands on the carbon tax.
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And by the end, he was basically just like apologizing for the fact that he couldn't
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answer succinctly by saying, you know, I'm not like Pierre Polyev who can fit my slogan
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You need a comprehensive plan, not just a soundbite that fits on Elector.
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And that, again, is a difference between me and some others.
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Do a comprehensive plan that addresses all the aspects.
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So we've yet to see, you know, it's the coming weeks.
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We've yet to see exactly what his position on carbon taxes will be.
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But I think we can assume that they are sort of walking away from it.
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I think the liberals understand how immensely unpopular the carbon tax has been, how difficult
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it is on Canadians with the crushing standard of living and the costs because of inflation
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and the carbon tax, that it's just not very popular.
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And it's sort of ironic because Mark Carney, as you point out, Cosmin, in your article,
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He said, backtracking on ambitious climate agendas is more difficult if politicians share
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the same goals and expect to be held accountable.
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So he's saying that he does hold these same values, that we need to have carbon taxes in
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Yet here he is sort of backtracking on his own agenda.
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He says one thing in the past, and now he's doing the exact opposite of what he wrote down.
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I mean, this is a guy who has championed carbon pricing models at every level.
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Actually, at the highest level, at the global level.
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So in 2020, he launches the Global Task Force for Scaling Voluntary Carbon Markets.
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In 2021, he co-chaired the Glasgow Financial Alliance, which brought all these banks into
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committing financing only to sustainable projects, etc.
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He was the advisor to UK Prime Minister Boris Johnson for COP26.
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This guy promoted carbon taxes across the world.
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Carbon Carney tried to convince the world to adopt a carbon tax.
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But I suspect in many ways he's just trying to disarm the conservative opposition because
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In his mind, I suspect he already thinks he's going to become prime minister, and he's planning
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ahead, trying to make certain chess moves to counter Pierre Polyev's wish to have a carbon
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It shows up in anything that's transported via gas-powered vehicles, trucks.
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If an election were to happen, it will definitely be a ticket issue.
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So I suspect there's an element of smoke and mirrors and trying to step away and to confuse
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But the plan he's proposed, this incentives model, doesn't clear any confusion.
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It doesn't make sense, and it doesn't provide any real solid answers about what he plans
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So I want to point to this story that came out in January about how many of the banks in
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Canada are now moving away from Mark Carney's climate initiatives.
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See, as the CBC, it says four of Canada's big banks leave Mark Carney-led climate initiative.
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Banks say that they can go it alone to help the push for achieving net zero emissions.
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So basically, Mark Carney led up a scheme through the United Nations, something called
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Net Zero Banking Alliance, that aims to accelerate climate action among financial institutions.
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The banks, including BMO, National Bank, TD, and CIBC all confirmed that they were no longer
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members, withdrawals from the alliance, followed departure from six large U.S. banks, and this
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was at the time ahead of the inauguration of Donald Trump.
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It seems like there's been a bit of a cultural shift, Cosmin, in the last, I don't know, three
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months, where people are just sort of done with all the woke stuff, like all of the ESG,
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UN, World Health Organization, WEF, everything.
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Like, we're done with all of it. And I think it's becoming much more popular, even in the
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corporate world, which is very restrained, very cautious and careful. They're saying, like, yeah,
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no, we don't want to do this stuff anymore. And the idea that you can run a bank, you know,
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that the purpose of a bank is to be good stewards of money, right? And to give loans to people when
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they need it, and to hold people's money. Like, the purpose of a bank isn't to try to meddle in
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left-wing politics. And yet that's what we've seen for previous five to 10 years. And now things
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are shifting away, abandoning this whole concept that Mark Carney tries to push to net zero banking
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alliance with total nonsense. What do you think that this will do for sort of Mark Carney's
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reputation? Like, he's really built his entire political career on being this, like, really
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important backroom banker who builds these big, important green policies. And yet, at the same time,
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the culture shifting away from it, banks are openly leaving them. Where do you think that
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Well, it leaves him in a difficult position. But if it weren't for the legacy media, because the
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legacy media refuses to hold them accountable on any of this stuff, they just take what he says,
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word by word and reports it as if he's a new person, he's a changed person. You know, we saw the
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Jon Stewart interview where he claims he's a political outsider. Whereas, you know, he's advised the
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prime minister, he's advised the prime minister in the UK, he's, he's definitely the most insider type
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of person. And you're absolutely right, there has been a growing awareness. And I think social media
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has a lot to do it. Definitely, Elon Musk take over of X. There's a growing awareness of the double
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standards that these elites who buy into this net zero agenda, you know, you would call it the great
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reset. That was a big thing during COVID. These elites who want to adopt World Economic Forum ideas
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and mold national policies based on these, you know, think tank, unelected sort of things.
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And people are aware of it. They see the double standards, they see them flying their private jets
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and then preaching about saving the climate. And they're sick of it. And I think, thankfully,
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at least you see it in the private sector end of things, companies are reacting to that they're
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seeing the consumer shift. And they're starting to reevaluate whether this is actually, first of all,
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the way to tackle things like climate change, with carbon taxes, all these sort of virtue signaling
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approaches. And secondly, they are starting to believe, in a sense, they're starting to adopt
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more to the consumer mindset as it shifts. Well, you mentioned this clip, and I have it,
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so I want to show it. This is Mark Carney appearing on The Daily Show. This was back on January 14. So
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he was still just teasing the idea that he might run. But here you can see that he calls himself
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an outsider. Wild hypothetical. Let's say the candidate wasn't part of the government.
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Let's say the candidate did have a lot of economic experience. Let's say the candidate
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did deal with crises. Let's say the candidate had a plan to deal with the challenges in the here and
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now. You sneaky. You're running as an outsider. I am an outsider.
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I love how Jon Stewart calls him sneaky there, because it's just like, it's just perfect. We have a bit
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more information about Mark Carney with regards to the World Economic Forum, because you mentioned
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that as well. And it wasn't too long ago that he appeared on a podcast with an MP, a Toronto MP for
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the Liberal Party. And they were just kind of casually chatting about WEF and basically saying that it was
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a great, wonderful thing that Mark Carney was involved in it. And they don't understand why the
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Conservatives don't like it. Let's play that clip.
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So, one of the knocks on me that the opposition makes, or part of the opposition...
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John Barrett is too, but I don't know, campaign coach here, that never comes up.
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But yeah, he's banned his ministers from going to World Economic Forum events to cater to conspiracies,
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and you've been a board member for over a decade.
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Right. Yeah. Yeah. I've rolled off the board, but that's absolutely right. I had a board member
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there, and I used to go there with Prime Minister Stephen Harper when, you know, he was there,
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So, I think that the culture has shifted so much, again, since this interview, because
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before, the Liberals used to just brush off anything about WEF as just a conspiracy theory. Like,
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oh, Pierre Paglia believes these crazy conspiracies, the Conservatives are scared of it. Whereas
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you, Mark Carney, amazing Mark Carney, you spent a decade there, and you're the leader of it,
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and way to go. And like, the reality, I think Danielle Smith said it so perfectly when there
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was a legacy media reporter hounding her, like, what do you have against the WEF? Like,
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what, you haven't even explained it. And she's like, I don't like an organization where billionaires
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brag about controlling politicians. Like, that's not an organization that I want to be a part of.
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I think Danielle put it so perfectly. But the reality is that, yeah, like, you have Klaus Schwab out
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they're saying that he penetrated cabinets. And then you have people like Justin Trudeau and
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Chrystia Freeland acting not on behalf of the people, as you can tell by the fact we don't have an
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election, and we're about to have a selected prime minister installed. And I just think that when I hear
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them talking about it, laughing about it, and brushing it off like it's no big deal, it's like
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they've been listening too much to the legacy media and to the, you know, the people who believe
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the exact same narrow thing that they do. And Canadians are not on the same side. I wonder,
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like, I think these comments have already aged really badly, but I think it'll get even worse.
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I want to show Andrew Lawton, who is a journalist for True North. He's now going to be a conservative
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candidate in the next federal election. He was always our guy that would go to Davos. He was great
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at it. There's wonderful videos of him interviewing Mark Carney, or at least trying to on the side of the
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road. But Andrew Lawton tweeted this last September 2024, saying this. He said, Mark Carney is a
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mainstay at the West Davos retreats. I bumped into him when I've been reporting on the Davos elites
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as a journalist. Last year, he was on my flight home from Zurich to Toronto. He was in business class.
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His wife was in economy. Take from that what you will. Cosmin, I know you are happily married.
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Your better half, Lindsay Shepard, used to work for True North, and she's moved on now working in
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Victoria politics. Would you ever take a flight and sit in business class and make your wife
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sit back in economy? Well, I would do the exact opposite and swap places instead. But it's funny,
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you mentioned World Economic Forum. When we were there last year, we saw Mark Carney. And you're
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absolutely right. It is a bunch of elites trying to make decisions for politicians. It was last year at
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the World Economic Forum that Chrystia Freeland talked about meeting with this financier to discuss
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investment in Canada. That is lobbying. But it was unregistered lobbying. And she did it. And she
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openly bragged about it. So absolutely, Mark Carney was a mainstay at these events. I think he went
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every single year while he was involved in that. Yeah. And again, this is another clip that came from
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his time at WAP. This comments were made in 2023. So strange. He identifies himself as a European.
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Like, I don't really know what that means. Like, does he not consider himself Canadian? Or is he just
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talking purely in racial terms? Strange clip for someone who wants to be Prime Minister of Canada.
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Let's play that clip. You look like you were about to...
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Yeah, I was a tell. As a European, you know, as a...
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Yeah, yeah. I'm an Irish citizen. Yeah. So there you go.
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Whoops. Do you think he regrets saying that now? I know that he has multiple passports,
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right? He's also a citizen of the UK. So maybe that's what he's talking about. He considers himself
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European. Yeah. And that was a huge deal, if you recall, when Andrew Scheer was conservative
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leader. The media were hounding him practically daily to resign his U.S. citizenship. And yet,
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here's Mark Carney, who describes himself as a European holding a second citizenship. I am not
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sure if he's a U.S. citizen as well. He might be. But nobody's asking this question. And it just goes
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to show that double standard. And Mark Carney, to describe himself as European, I think he would
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regret it. Because now, with the tariff stuff, he's trying to, you know, bring up this whole
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Team Canada approach. We're all proud to be Canadians. We're different than the Americans.
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But here we have him on record calling himself a European first before a Canadian.
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Well, and it's so much worse even than Andrew Scheer, who... Andrew Scheer was born with an American
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parent. So he got an American citizenship, passed it down to him. And so it wasn't something that
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he went out and tried to get. Mark Carney, I'm going to read his bio, but this is part of his bio,
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is that he's a citizen of three countries. So he was born a Canadian. He obtained Irish citizenship
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in the 1980s and then became a British citizen in 2018 when he became the governor of the Bank of
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Canada. So these are decisions that he made as an adult, not like Andrew Scheer, who was born with
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that and, you know, of no control to himself. I remember when Thomas Mulcair was running for
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prime minister as the NDP, and we found out that he was a minister, sorry, a citizen of France.
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And when that came out, he promised that if he became prime minister, he would renounce his French
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citizenship. So you had Andrew Scheer saying, I will renounce my American citizenship. And he was
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taking steps at the time to do that. You had Thomas Mulcair promising that. And I don't think
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that Mark Carney has even acknowledged it. And it's not like he's just running for prime minister,
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Cosman. He will be prime minister. He's just running for the liberal leadership, which he'll win,
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and then he'll become prime minister. So it's not even like, well, if I win the general election,
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I'll get rid of this. It's like, he's already going to do that. I'm going to read a bit more of
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his bio because interesting person and character. So he was born all the way up in Fort Smith,
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Northwest Territories, and apparently grew up in Edmonton. His father was a candidate for
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the liberals in Edmonton when he was growing up. He earned a bachelor's degree from Harvard
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University in 1988. He also received his master's and a doctorate in economics from the University of
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Oxford. He became a managing director and investment banker at Goldman Sachs. He served as the deputy
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governor of the Bank of Canada from 2000 to 2004. And then eventually he was promoted to the Bank
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of Canada governor from 2008 to 2013. He likes to talk a lot about how he worked with Stephen Harper
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and finance minister Jim Flaherty, former prime minister Stephen Harper, former finance minister,
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the late Jim Flaherty, in sort of steering Canada away from the economic crisis in 2008,
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the financial crisis. And Canada's banks did incredibly well relative to the rest of the world,
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especially the Americans. After that experience, he moved on to become the head of the Bank of
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England from 2013 to 2020. So it's interesting that he became a citizen in 2018, Cosman, but he
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started that role in 2013. So it's not like it was required for him to do that. It's not like they said,
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look, you can come be the bank, the governor of the bank, but you have to become a British citizen
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first. It's like he became the British citizen halfway through. After that role, he became the chair and head
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of impact investing at Brookfield Asset Management. He became the chair of the new board of directors
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of Bloomberg. He served as a special envoy for climate change and finance to the United Nations,
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became the co-chair of the Glasgow Financial Alliance for Net Zero. He became a foundation
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board member for the World Economic Forum. And then, like I mentioned earlier, he became a special
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advisor to Prime Minister Justin Trudeau on Canada's COVID response back in 2020. And then it seems that
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he continued advising liberal policy. From that point, it became public again that he was a special
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advisor and chair of the Liberal Task Force on Economic Growth just in 2024. So, you know, again,
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this guy's the ultimate insider. Warren Kinsella, who's a liberal insider as well, he posted the following
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on X talking about Mark Carney's sort of insider status. So if we can show that tweet, he says,
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Mark Carney is the team Trudeau candidate. His campaign is being run by Gerald Butts, Katie Telford,
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et cetera, the ones who had to resign due to scandal or have been implicated in multiple scandals,
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the ones who reduced the Liberal Party to 16%. Carney equals Trudeau. And Warren Kinsella is someone who would
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know, because he's also a liberal insider. So what's your take on all of that, Cosman?
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Yeah, if you just compare the policies Trudeau has promoted to the things that Mark Carney promotes in
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his book Values, it's almost a one-to-one comparison. In that book, while discussing climate policies,
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he talks about the need to phase out gas-powered vehicles. He talks about introducing certain zoning
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rules for climate and less carbon-intensive things in building housing and real estate. He talks about
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putting caps on oil and gas. These are all policies that Prime Minister Justin Trudeau has attempted to
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introduce or has introduced during his time. So when you look at this, when you look at his own words,
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it just seems that if Carney, carbon tax Carney, as the conservatives call him, if he were to become
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Prime Minister, it would just be a fast-forward on these policies. It would be not only Trudeau 2.0,
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but it would be Trudeau 2x or 10x in a sense that he's going to multiply what he was doing and
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introduce it quicker and with more punch. So one of the things I'm noticing, Cosmin, and tell me if you find
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this trend as well, is that basically the liberals at this point are completely abandoning all of their
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policies. And it seems to me that they're trying to copy the conservatives. Like, whatever the conservatives
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are saying, that's kind of the position that the liberals are taking. You saw this after the tariff threat
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where Pierre Polyev really started talking about reducing barriers for interprovincial trade.
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And you had one of the ministers, Anita Anand. I think she's now the minister of, oh, I don't know,
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something. She used to be the foreign, the defense minister, and she moved on. Anyway, she came out
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saying, yes, we need to eliminate these interprovincial trade barriers. One of the interesting things I saw
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was last week, we had Dominic LeBlanc. So this is Canada's new finance minister. After Chrystia Freeland,
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you know, was thrown under the bus and then threw Dustin Trudeau under the bus, this individual came
00:26:45.140
in to replace her. And Dominic LeBlanc came out and said last Friday that Canada should spend less and
00:26:52.980
that we should review the size of government. So these liberals are sounding an awful lot like
00:26:57.740
conservatives. I think we have a clip of Dominic LeBlanc saying basically, I don't know, that the
00:27:05.400
liberal spending and the entire 10 years of Justin Trudeau in office was kind of a mistake
00:27:10.840
and we need to start again and actually become fiscally responsible. Let's play that clip.
00:27:16.340
One of the tensions, of course, in any spring budget would be the fact that spending would be
00:27:21.960
looked for and maybe even required in the event of tariffs. But we also need some fiscal prudence.
00:27:26.800
A Canadian dollar demands it at the very least. If we have a massive deficit, it will be, it'll
00:27:31.760
weaken us further in other ways. How do you marry those two things? How do you match them up?
00:27:36.160
You accept that premise as real, the premise you just said, that the continued significant spending
00:27:41.920
in a bunch of areas has to be ratcheted down. My own view is things as simple as the growth of
00:27:47.880
government need to be looked at. So again, sounds sort of like a conservative. This is sort of
00:27:53.880
frustrating, I think, for many conservatives. It's like liberals go into office. They spend
00:27:58.180
an entirely ridiculous amount of money. They grow the size of government. They somehow manage to give
00:28:02.920
patronage packages to all of their friends who work in various industries. And then right at the
00:28:09.500
very end, when they're about to get kicked out of office, they're like, yeah, someone needs to come
00:28:12.480
and clean this out. So they put that on the conservatives so the conservatives could be in
00:28:16.460
charge of all the unpopular cuts. And then 10 years from now, the liberals will come back and promise a bunch
00:28:21.640
of goodies and Canadians will turn around and elect them again. I mean, maybe that's a cynical take on
00:28:25.360
it all. Maybe it's a victory. Maybe the fact that the liberals are finally coming around to say,
00:28:30.000
hey, all the spending that we did was really bad and we probably shouldn't do it anymore.
00:28:33.600
Maybe it's a victory or maybe we shouldn't believe them because they're not actually going to do it.
00:28:39.160
Well, I think it's a victory in the sense that the public conversation has ramped up and is openly
00:28:47.040
talking about cutting foreign aid, cutting the size of government. I think most voters are in support
00:28:53.800
of that. For a while, the liberal government would fearmonger against conservatives talking about
00:28:59.460
any cuts being, you know, an attack on social services, an attack on health care. But there's,
00:29:05.040
you know, we talk about Doge and I think we'll be playing this clip later. But Carney says, you know,
00:29:10.780
the government of the United States is on a war on woke. But in reality, what Doge is a war on...
00:29:17.420
Yeah, we have it. Why don't we play it right now? Let's play the clip of... This is just such a weird
00:29:21.740
statement. But here is Mark Carney last week saying what Cosman just said.
00:29:26.340
There's a fever gripping America. And while it rages, Canadians will remain resolute
00:29:32.780
safe and true to our values. While America engages in a war on woke, Canadians will continue to value
00:29:43.420
So it's false to say that Doge or the U.S. government, the Department of Government Efficiency,
00:29:49.740
is waging a war on woke. It's waging a war on overspending, wasteful spending. And it just so
00:29:56.920
happens that those two areas overlap. A lot of the wasteful spending has been on like diversity,
00:30:03.880
equity, inclusion initiatives that do not provide any material or comfort benefit for the average
00:30:10.500
taxpayer. And it's the same case here in Canada. Think about all of the departments and the different
00:30:16.600
spending initiatives that the liberal government has ballooned. We're talking... We have to hold them
00:30:22.720
to their record. We have nine years worth of governance to hold them to account for. That
00:30:28.700
includes ballooning the size of executives. We're talking about managers in the government,
00:30:34.920
not just public sector employees. There's a record number of executives earning huge amounts of money,
00:30:42.500
well above the average Canadian salary. They've invented new departments, new ministries,
00:30:48.660
and they've introduced things like gender-based analysis across the board, across government
00:30:54.480
sectors. So there's so much there to go through. And if any future government wants to take this
00:31:01.640
seriously and take Dominic LeBlanc at his word, the fact to look at the government and downsize,
00:31:08.220
there needs to be an audit, a real audit where, like Doge, you embed people with an objective
00:31:15.300
financial mindset and looking where can we make these cuts, what hasn't produced any real results,
00:31:22.200
and what can we do away with while maintaining core services and actually improving the outcomes
00:31:29.180
for Canadians at a lower cost. Well, it's interesting that you say that it's not exactly a war on woke,
00:31:35.780
it's a war on waste. And I think that's true. Like the government is spending on such ridiculous
00:31:41.620
things. We see that down in Washington with what Elon Musk is exposing. I mean, like I think it was
00:31:47.540
like $20 million for an Iraqi Sesame Street or like a musical on transgenderism in Ireland and a comic
00:31:58.940
book in Peru. Like it was so absurdly ridiculous that, you know, it's wrong because it's wasteful.
00:32:04.440
It's extra wrong because we're pushing just the worst values upon the world. And of course,
00:32:09.380
Canada is way worse. Like, you know, the Americans had those really high profile funny examples.
00:32:14.920
But when the sort of mini scandal happened last week where the foreign affairs or global affairs
00:32:21.140
Canada tried to take down the database of all of their international development plan funding,
00:32:26.420
and then they put it back up and everybody was going through and finding all the things. It's like
00:32:30.560
our forward policy is kind of embarrassing. The fact that we have, we've spent $52 billion over the last,
00:32:38.580
since 2017. So over the last six years on programs, I think is wrong. I think that that
00:32:43.880
money should be spent in Canada. But then even beyond the fact that it's wasteful, the idea that
00:32:49.680
some of these things that we're spending, like we're spending money on transgender surgeries in
00:32:54.540
the Philippines, like what does the Philippines have to say about that? Well, if you were from the
00:32:58.660
Philippines, you know, it's a very religious, very Catholic country. And all of a sudden,
00:33:02.860
there's these like foreigners pushing this kind of radical religion upon your children. I wouldn't
00:33:08.980
be happy about that if I was from that place. Or we learn that Canada is spending $10 million a year
00:33:14.800
providing abortions to women in London. Like, why? You know, what in what world is that Canada's
00:33:22.440
business or Canada's role? Plus, we're pushing an ideology. So to me, Cosmin, yes, the world is
00:33:29.040
having a war on woke. I mean, just repeat what Mark Carney said. There's a fever gripping America.
00:33:35.140
And while it rages, Canadians will remain resolute and true to our values. While America engages in
00:33:43.140
a war on woke, Canada will continue to value inclusiveness. So I mean, is this his new campaign
00:33:49.780
slogan that like woke is here to stay? Canada is going to remain the woke country. And you know,
00:33:55.620
again, this idea that Canadians are like this compassionate people that we value inclusiveness.
00:34:00.840
So we need to pay for sex change operations and abortions all over the world. Like, it's so
00:34:05.820
patently absurd. The reason that people don't like woke, and the reason that woke is, you know,
00:34:10.840
it's so popular to go against it, and Canadians are just so done with it, is because it's morally
00:34:16.460
wrong. And I think we're sick of it. You know, we had to keep our mouths quiet. Well, I personally
00:34:21.420
didn't. But so many Canadians felt afraid to talk about this kind of thing. And the cultural
00:34:25.900
environment for the last maybe 10 years has been quite, you know, hostile towards people who do
00:34:31.420
speak out. We really witness, you know, cancel culture to the extreme. So I understand how before
00:34:36.080
Canadians and Americans didn't want to talk about their, you know, their opposition to this kind of
00:34:41.260
thinking. But again, things have shifted. Everything's on the open. Everybody kind of agrees at this point
00:34:47.000
that we don't want this kind of stuff. And it seems like Mark Crane didn't get that message. So again,
00:34:51.900
if his new campaign slogan is like, woke is here to stay, and I'm the woke candidate, good luck with
00:34:57.100
that. Yeah, part of it seems to be that this liberal trend or almost behavioral pattern where they
00:35:06.220
constantly need to counter signal against the United States. They're constantly trying to say,
00:35:11.880
oh, look how better we are, even when it's to the detriment of Canada, they're willing to die on
00:35:18.100
that hill. And I think Carney is willing to die on that hill. And we will be exploring that in our
00:35:25.100
series because he talks a lot about inclusivity and changing the economy. You know, this is a World
00:35:31.000
Economic Forum idea. Klaus Schwab termed this, made this term up, you know, stakeholder capitalism.
00:35:38.360
And this is encapsulates this whole idea about, you know, changing the world to adapt to these
00:35:45.340
climate goals, but also to these social goals, these social governance goals to promote diversity
00:35:51.120
and equity, to, you know, promote mass immigration, et cetera, refugee policies. So absolutely, whether that
00:35:59.460
is a winning ticket with Canadian voters, I don't think so. And you mentioned, you know, people are way
00:36:05.340
more willing to be open about this and express their dissent, whether it's at their own workplace
00:36:11.300
on social media or against the government. And I'd like just to point out how much of a testament
00:36:18.340
that has been to True North's hard work on this topic, because we were covering it before any of
00:36:25.420
the mainstream legacy media outlets were willing to touch it. We got a lot of flack for it, but we stuck
00:36:31.440
by it. And we've, we have a catalog of examples going all the way back to this company's founding
00:36:38.280
of coverage, pointing out exactly where this is happening and why it's wrong.
00:36:44.640
And it's, it's, it's, I mean, I'm very grateful that things are starting to change. I think that
00:36:49.960
back then when we were the only ones reporting on it, it was great because, you know, we were the only
00:36:54.480
ones reporting on it. And so we got a lot of scoops and we told a lot of stories that were unique
00:36:59.900
to Canada, but we certainly got a lot of blowback. And you realize that the people who push these
00:37:06.320
extreme ideologies, they sort of have like a, I wouldn't even say a religious fervor, because I
00:37:11.980
think that, that that's unkind to religious people. But, but the, but they're maniacs. And, you know,
00:37:17.620
when they, when they have their eyes set on you, it's, it's, it's, it's kind of scary. So yeah,
00:37:22.200
we've all, we've all kind of been the target of the craziness from these people. I just, I just don't
00:37:27.480
think that Mark Carney's very good at this. I think that he has a lot of experience. He's an
00:37:31.600
impressive guy. I had Tom Flanagan, retired professor on, and his point was like, you know,
00:37:37.540
he kind of looks like a prime minister, right? If you look at him, he's like straight out of central
00:37:41.160
casting and he's kind of like a more polished, more educated, more intelligent version of Justin
00:37:47.200
Trudeau, probably equal in their ideological radicalism, or like you said, maybe he's even more
00:37:52.860
radical than Trudeau if that's possible. So I think everyone assumes that Canadians are just
00:37:58.220
going to like rally around him and love him. When I've watched his campaign so far, Cosmin,
00:38:02.580
I just don't think he's very good at this. So I'm going to put this video of his launch. And I mean,
00:38:07.800
there's a whole bunch wrong with this. The image is just weird. It could be in any country. I don't
00:38:14.300
know. It doesn't really look like Edmonton. And he just has low energy. It reminded me, I've said this
00:38:20.340
on the show before, it reminds me of Jeb Bush and how Donald Trump hilariously labeled him low energy
00:38:26.320
Jeb. And I kind of like deflated his entire campaign. But that's what I think of when I
00:38:32.360
watch Mark Carney. So let's play this clip. But those good old times, my friends, are over.
00:38:40.820
Our times are anything but ordinary. The system, it's not working as it should.
00:38:57.900
I don't know if that was supposed to be an applause line, just a long pause and nobody clapped.
00:39:02.260
And it just was very inspiring. What do you think?
00:39:07.760
Well, it was more like he's reading a funeral eulogy than he's actually launching a political
00:39:12.940
campaign. And you're absolutely right. The energy isn't there. And I compare this back
00:39:18.440
to 2015 when Justin Trudeau was running to become prime minister. After he became liberal leader,
00:39:27.100
there was energy in his campaign. There was a lot of young people flocking to Trudeau.
00:39:32.000
You know, he forwarded. He was talking about, you know, releasing students of their student debt.
00:39:37.640
He was promoting the legalization of marijuana. And he had some vitality, right? Some energy and
00:39:44.500
youthful drive that clinched him the election. I just don't see it. I don't see it in Carney.
00:39:51.540
I don't see it in Chrystia Freeland, Karina Gold, any of the liberal candidates,
00:39:55.980
barring the one who, you know, you might call the meme candidate. I forget her name. It's slipping.
00:40:03.620
Yes. Yeah. There is more energy there than there is in Mark Carney's campaign, right?
00:40:08.920
Yeah. And she's been calling out Mark Carney because one of the things that happened,
00:40:12.200
Cosmin, was after the Trump tariff threats and then Trudeau pushing back and saying that we're
00:40:17.580
going to have our own retaliatory tariffs. Mark Carney came out and put out a statement
00:40:21.460
where he was saying that he was in constant conversation with Canada's cabinet. And he was
00:40:27.640
kind of like implying he was involved in all of these decisions. And it's like, dude, you're not
00:40:32.180
even a member of parliament. In what world is it okay for you to be involved in this stuff? And,
00:40:38.500
you know, that's what we were pointing out from the outside. But then Ruby Dalla jumped in
00:40:42.660
and also made that point. So it is kind of amusing to have, I would say, even though Ruby Dalla is a
00:40:48.040
former member of parliament, and she's been around liberal politics probably her entire adult life,
00:40:53.900
she's kind of an outsider because she's not part of that kind of elite Laurentian crowd. So it's
00:40:58.540
amusing to have her in. One of the things that also happened during that launch up in Edmonton
00:41:04.320
is that Mark Carney didn't allow independent journalists to enter the building. And I think
00:41:11.080
this is a big deal. This really, this shows us his character more than anything else. So we had the
00:41:17.260
counter signals. Kian Bexty was sort of leading the charge, but it was also the Western Standard
00:41:22.060
and True North's own Isaac Lamoureux, who, and Isaac is from Edmonton. He's a local journalist.
00:41:27.920
And they weren't letting him in. They weren't giving an explanation. You know, Kian filmed it all.
00:41:33.260
And so, yeah, let's, let's show that clip to see what, what it looked like.
00:41:37.800
If we have to leave, I'm happy to leave, but nobody is from whoever's book this has told us that
00:41:43.400
they're actually an authority figure, just people that I think don't like us. So.
00:41:52.140
So that was, that was how it all ended. But if, if, uh, you know, earlier in other footage,
00:41:56.760
you could see Kian just trying to get in the door and there's this man that's just blocking it.
00:42:01.280
And Kian's asking him like, who are you? You know, are you running this event? Why aren't we allowed in
00:42:05.920
or re-allowed in? And these kind of like self-appointed bouncers, uh, we're not letting them into a
00:42:11.780
community center and treating them like they were doing something wrong. It's like, hello,
00:42:15.680
we live in a free society. This is called a free press. You might not like the journalists,
00:42:19.220
but they should still be allowed in. And the fact that Carney took that approach, that if you're not
00:42:24.580
part of whatever, I don't even know, I don't know how they identified our own Isaac Lamoureux or,
00:42:29.420
you know, maybe they recognize Kian Bexty, but I don't understand why the rest of them didn't get let
00:42:34.180
in. Like what trouble or like what, what would have possibly happened if like Isaac, who's just like a very
00:42:40.840
well-mannered, unassuming young man, like what, like what's the problem with letting
00:42:44.820
a journalist into the room? I think it really demonstrates, um, exactly what we're going to
00:42:50.440
get with our Carney. Yeah. And it demonstrates weakness and, and fear almost of being asked
00:42:56.800
questions that he doesn't want to answer because as far as I can tell, the legacy media has only
00:43:01.280
thrown him softball questions. He refuses to engage with any independent outlet, even if you're just
00:43:07.600
sending him inquiries in writing. He didn't answer any of our reasonable questions. We're not going
00:43:13.540
there to pick a fight. We're just going there to ask him some basic things about what he said in
00:43:18.500
the past and what he's saying now and how he reconciles these things. Any politician, uh, worth
00:43:25.000
his or her salt should be able to do that because that is going to be their job. If they become prime
00:43:31.500
minister, people have a lot of questions. You are running a government and you better be a equipped
00:43:37.160
to be able to answer those questions coherently and in a way that makes sense. But Carney has
00:43:42.880
refused to do so. He seems to just be cruising along. Uh, and, and when you just look at his
00:43:48.520
campaign, there's this sense of confidence, almost smugness that, uh, radiates from it,
00:43:54.000
that he has this in the bag and he doesn't need to take that extra effort to convince the other
00:44:00.860
voters, other voters who might not be necessarily liberal party members, right? He's the, of course,
00:44:05.940
he's running for the liberal leadership and that's who he's trying to convince.
00:44:09.780
But if he thinks he has it in the bag, he needs to convince Canadians who are not liberals, who don't
00:44:15.660
traditionally vote liberal, uh, that he is going to be serving in the highest office in this country
00:44:21.600
in their interest, everybody's interest, not just the liberal party supporters' interests.
00:44:26.660
But do you know what, Cosman? I don't think he really does have to convince Canadians. Like,
00:44:31.060
here he is. He has decided that he's going to be prime minister. There aren't really a lot of other
00:44:36.800
good candidates, as you pointed out, uh, Chrystia Freeland, Katrina Gould, like, they're very
00:44:41.760
uninspiring. They're just, they're not going to win. They're not going to be prime minister. Had
00:44:45.480
Mark Carney not stepped in, I mean, maybe it would have been Chrystia Freeland and then we would have
00:44:49.320
seen a repeat of the 93 election, I think, where Kim Campbell got absolutely decimated. Uh,
00:44:54.180
but Mark Carney has stepped in. And I think part of the idea is that he doesn't have to face an
00:44:58.920
electorate, that he is going to get selected by the liberal brass. He's already kind of been
00:45:03.400
selected in backroom deals with bankers and whoever else, but he's going to come in. He's
00:45:08.380
going to get to be prime minister, which is something that, you know, he can add it as another
00:45:12.320
trophy on his shelf of things that he's accomplished. And we think we're going into an
00:45:17.140
election, right? Jagmeet Singh said in December that we're going to go into an election, no matter who
00:45:21.660
the liberal leader is. But that requires us to actually trust Jagmeet Singh, who has proven himself
00:45:26.820
over and over and over again to be entirely untrustworthy. So I can imagine a world, and I
00:45:32.480
think it's pretty easy to imagine this, where Mark Carney wins the liberal leadership race in March,
00:45:37.980
becomes the prime minister, and then manages to strike another deal with the NDP, strike another
00:45:43.720
deal with Jagmeet Singh. We know Jagmeet Singh is, his polling numbers are in the tank, and he is
00:45:49.000
probably not even going to win his own riding if there were to be an election this spring. So why
00:45:53.660
would he trigger one? Just like from a rational kind of incentives perspective, he has no incentive
00:45:59.060
to actually trigger an election. He's lied to the Canadian people so many times that he doesn't even
00:46:03.080
care about his reputation or his word anymore. So all Mark Carney has to do is dangle something in
00:46:08.560
front of him. And we know that Jagmeet Singh falls for that, because he did over and over and over again
00:46:13.040
with Justin Trudeau. And so maybe they'll push the election back to October 2025. That would be four
00:46:20.060
years after the last election, and our Elections Canada Act says it's supposed to be every four
00:46:24.220
years. But then there's also this theory floating around. So I want to play this video from our friend
00:46:29.320
Brian Lilly of the Toronto Sun, where he talks about how we might not see an election this year at all.
00:46:34.920
I get the most is when is Canada going into a federal election? Well, the answer is we may
00:46:41.060
not head into one until September 2026. Yeah, you heard that September 2026. That's the last time
00:46:47.780
that we're able to the vote has to be held before the five year mark of the last vote, which was
00:46:52.400
October 2021. That's the Constitution. Yes, we've got fixed election date laws, but they're not worth
00:46:57.560
the paper they're printed on. They have all kinds of outs for parties to be able to do this.
00:47:02.080
If Mark Carney takes over and becomes liberal leader and prime minister, he could cut a deal
00:47:06.820
with Jagmeet Singh and the NDP and say, we've got a national emergency because of Donald Trump
00:47:11.440
and these terror threats. We've got to stay in power. They could stick around, not just until the
00:47:16.980
summer, not just until October, but all the way until the fall of 2026, all because of our strange
00:47:23.840
government and constitutional system. Now, that's totally possible. It's within the realm of
00:47:29.540
possibility. I've talked to many sort of insiders and people who understand the legal system. And
00:47:33.240
they said, yep, that's probably what could happen. That's inside the possibility of what
00:47:37.660
could happen. So what if the whole plan for Mark Carney is to come in, push off the democratic process,
00:47:45.560
stay prime minister, you know, lead the G7 meeting in Canada this summer, not have an election,
00:47:50.860
make this deal with Jagmeet Singh, continue to promote their WEF agenda, their globalist agenda.
00:47:55.440
Canada. I mean, to me, it's like the nail in the coffin of Canada. And then maybe by the time
00:47:59.980
2026 rolls around, he'll bail and do something else, leave the Liberal Party to someone like
00:48:04.580
Chrystia Freeland, and then they'll go down in flames. But, you know, we'll have to endure another
00:48:08.660
18 months of this. And, you know, as bad as it is today, 18 months from it, one can only imagine
00:48:14.340
the damage that could be done to Canada. So what do you think of that scenario?
00:48:18.040
Well, it's absolutely possible. We've seen that the governor general would be willing to,
00:48:24.780
you know, delay an election. And Jagmeet Singh is not to be trusted considering his various flip
00:48:30.580
flops on issues in the past. But it just points to the cynicism, the political cynicism that is
00:48:37.660
happening in Ottawa, and the amount of self-interest that the Liberal Party and the NDP have placed
00:48:45.260
over the interest of Canadians, over affordability, over housing. In every single sector, the Liberals
00:48:54.560
have put themselves and their political futures above the future of Canadians. We are in a crisis.
00:49:02.400
Canada is in a predicament that I'm not so sure it can get out of, at least not right away,
00:49:07.840
because we have a debt crisis. We have mounting debt. At this point, it's intergenerational debt.
00:49:14.160
Not to mention, you know, the housing and the healthcare situation, the problem with our borders,
00:49:20.020
but the tariff threat. We're talking about a recession, a terrible recession. And here we are
00:49:26.400
discussing politicians who are willing to delay Canadians' choice, because that's what we're
00:49:33.760
talking about. An election. Canadians deserve a choice by this point, given we have a prorogue
00:49:39.480
parliament and nothing is working. The government is going to reach a deadline for spending,
00:49:44.340
and Canadians need to have a say. Okay. I don't make this too personal with you,
00:49:50.860
Cosm, but, you know, there's a, there's a, we did a survey, a poll that Trunor published that found
00:49:57.560
that almost half of young men, so Canadian men aged 18 to 34, you fit into that demographic,
00:50:03.340
said that they would take American citizenship if it was offered. So, you know, you don't have to say
00:50:07.800
for yourself personally, but, you know, among your friends, among people you know, like, do you think
00:50:12.340
that a lot of young men in this country have simply just given up on Canada? Well, it's funny you
00:50:17.520
mentioned that, because literally two weeks ago, I have a friend, a longtime friend from Ontario,
00:50:23.500
who was a licensed electrician. He did his apprenticeship, you know, he did trade school,
00:50:29.740
etc., and he was a practicing electrician making a decent wage, but he moved to the, to the United
00:50:36.620
States. He moved to Michigan two weeks ago. So I have a real life example. I've, I have friends who
00:50:42.760
have left the country, not for the United States, but for other countries, and it's absolutely true.
00:50:48.620
Young people, but specifically young men, do not see a future in Canada, because they don't see a,
00:50:55.280
a place where they can own a home, where they can build a business. It's, it seems to be all rigged
00:51:01.100
against them. And there are virtually few, fewer to none politicians who are speaking for them.
00:51:07.620
And that's the, these are individuals who build the country. They work the jobs that keep things
00:51:14.620
going, keep the infrastructure built, keep, you know, the lights running. And, and that's who we need
00:51:20.220
to keep in this country. But we're, all we're doing is driving not only individuals away,
00:51:24.880
but also investment, innovation, entrepreneurs with the capital gains tax, we're driving business
00:51:32.220
away. It's unbelievable. Like people are voting with their feet and you can see it. It's sad,
00:51:37.880
but at the same time, it makes sense. And I think there's like a little bit of dissonance. Like I,
00:51:41.780
I talked to a lot of people about, you know, what, what, what Trump is talking about. A lot of people
00:51:46.500
are like horrified by this idea of the 51st state. And then, you know, a few minutes later, they'll be
00:51:51.180
like, oh, by the way, I got a visa. I'm going to move to the States. And it's like, it's, it's kind
00:51:58.640
of funny how, you know, when it comes to someone's own self-interest, they would take a better
00:52:03.640
opportunity if they could. I think even Mark Carney is backing away from that capital gains tax hike,
00:52:10.420
which is really interesting. I've, a final thing I want to talk about before we wrap this up,
00:52:14.520
Cosman, is that, you know, one of the things that Mark Carney really promotes is his experience
00:52:20.380
as the governor of the Bank of Canada. You know, I know you have forthcoming series on this topic,
00:52:27.060
specifically what he was talking about with digital currencies, kind of terrifying. I think that
00:52:32.060
for so many people, not just Canadians, but so many people around the world, seeing what happened
00:52:36.380
during the trucker convoy, seeing the Trudeau government, really the mask slipped. And we saw like
00:52:42.340
the tyrannical face of a liberal government that's supposed to be progressive and democratic.
00:52:47.380
And I think one of the worst atrocities that happened during that entire episode was the
00:52:54.400
freezing of bank accounts and the confiscating of money. It was kind of scary, the fact that like
00:52:59.160
how easy it could be for the government to just snap its fingers and take your money. And, you know,
00:53:05.420
I think that that's something that will follow Christia Freeland around for the rest of her
00:53:08.860
political career. But why don't you walk us through a little bit on what you've been researching
00:53:13.760
and what you, give us a little tease for the next, the next installment in your series on Mark Carney.
00:53:20.220
Sure. Yes. So our next installment will be Mark Carney's views on central bank digital currencies.
00:53:26.500
And in summary, he essentially advocates CBDCs to be the future of money. He, you know,
00:53:34.340
he's definitely not a member of the Austrian school of economics. He's not this libertarian type. He,
00:53:40.540
he downplays, you know, gold, he downplays cryptocurrency. He wants to see everything
00:53:45.920
centralized under a global bank governance and that to be the future, to get rid of cash,
00:53:52.700
paper cash, and, and have this system where we have central banks issuing digital currencies,
00:53:58.740
cryptocurrencies that are, they're not true cryptocurrencies in the sense that we talk
00:54:04.260
about Bitcoin or Ethereum or any of the other coins out there. They are almost dupes because
00:54:10.780
they are controlled. They, it's not a decentralized system. It's a centralized system and they don't
00:54:16.440
have the privacy inherent to cryptocurrency, right? That's where the crypto comes from essentially hidden
00:54:23.220
in a sense. And of course there are downsides to that with the criminal elements, but Carney advocates
00:54:30.580
for CBDCs and he lays it out plainly. It's all over the book. And this is in his mind, the future.
00:54:39.060
And we know the liberal government has taken steps to, uh, issue to the bank of Canada to, uh,
00:54:45.640
investigate this and, and, you know, potentially lay out a future plan for a Canadian digital currencies.
00:54:52.260
If I recall correctly, they sort of downplayed it and said that, oh, this isn't feasible right now,
00:54:58.300
but given Mark Carney's advocacy of this, and he's advocated as a person in finance for this type of
00:55:05.720
model for the future of money, I suspect that it is definitely within the works of a potential
00:55:12.280
national, national policy if he becomes prime minister. Well, that's the kind of thing I'm worried
00:55:16.840
about that he gets elected and then he stalls an election. It gets placed in by the liberal party,
00:55:21.940
I should say, and installs the election so that he can implement something like that. It's really
00:55:25.660
terrifying because, you know, every, every penny is, is controlled by the state, the government.
00:55:30.980
They know what you're spending money on. They can turn it off whenever they want. They deem that
00:55:35.160
you've done something wrong, uh, as they did during the trucker convoy. So, uh, you know, I, I'll play
00:55:40.180
this one clip because, uh, Kian Bexty caught up with, uh, UK, former UK prime minister of this trust
00:55:46.100
when he was down in Washington, DC. And she put out a strong warning to Canadians, uh, to avoid Mark
00:55:52.860
Carney to not go down the path. She said it would be disastrous for Canada. This is someone who knows
00:55:58.060
she was prime minister when he was the governor of the Bank of Canada. Let's play that clip.
00:56:03.440
Wanting to get your thoughts on Mark Carney and your relationship with him, uh, while you were prime
00:56:08.060
minister of the United Kingdom and any advice you have to Canadians who think he might make a good
00:56:12.600
prime minister? Well, Mark Carney was governor of the Bank of England and under his tenure,
00:56:17.900
too much money was printed, which did damage to the British economy and put our economy off track.
00:56:25.540
He, at the last election, endorsed Rachel Reeves economic policy. She's now become chancellor.
00:56:31.840
It's been a disaster for Britain. Uh, the country is heading for bankruptcy. So I would strongly
00:56:37.100
recommend not backing Mark Carney or his policies on net zero, which have been
00:56:42.440
disastrous for Britain and would be disastrous for Canada. It's not just Liz Truss. There was an
00:56:48.520
op-ed written in the Spectator magazine in the UK on January 7th, 2025, with a headline saying
00:56:53.720
Mark Carney is not fit to be Canadian prime minister. Um, this is written by Matthew Lynn,
00:56:59.740
who's a financial journalist in the UK. And he goes on and on about basically just how bad he was at this
00:57:06.760
job, how harmful it's been for England, how ideological he was in pushing these net zero
00:57:12.280
policies and the green agenda. I mean, I think coupled with his idea of a digital currency and
00:57:17.780
then the fact that he's had a hand in destroying the British economy. I mean, the prime minister said
00:57:22.900
right there, they're heading towards bankruptcy, um, because of him. I'll, uh, I'll, I'll leave the last
00:57:28.320
word on this to you, Cosman. Sure. You mentioned the freedom convoy, and I'd like to point back to
00:57:34.960
February, I think it was February 7th, 2022, in the Globe and Mail, Mark Carney wrote an op-ed, and its title
00:57:43.400
is this verbatim, it's time to end the sedition in Ottawa by enforcing the law and following the money.
00:57:50.880
And he writes in that op-ed about, uh, gutting the financing of the freedom convoy. And when we know
00:57:59.220
the measures that Christy Freeland introduced and the Emergencies Act introduced, treating ordinary
00:58:05.220
Canadians, there's, evidence is clear, over 80%, uh, if not 90% of the donations came from just regular
00:58:13.300
people. They, it was a regular people funding this convoy and treating them like terrorists, like
00:58:21.220
they're involved in money laundering, like they're criminal organizations. And Mark Carney, and we've talked
00:58:27.620
a lot about holding him to his own words, advocated for this in very plain language. And here he is
00:58:34.580
talking about in his book about introducing a central bank digital currencies. You know,
00:58:40.660
any thinking person just needs to connect the dots there. Well, it's a pretty terrifying idea,
00:58:47.860
Cosman. I appreciate all the hard work and the excellent reporting that you do over at TrueNorth and
00:58:52.520
exposing all of this. Thank you so much for joining this show today. I hope that none of this comes
00:58:56.420
through. I hope these predictions don't happen, but I think if Mark Carney, if things go to plan,
00:59:00.420
which is that he will be selected and placed in as a prime minister next month, uh, this is where we
00:59:05.860
could be headed as a country. So thanks for your time today, Cosman. Thank you, Candice.
00:59:10.260
All right. We'll leave it at that. And we will be back again tomorrow. We've got a very,
00:59:13.540
very exciting and special episode for you tomorrow. You're going to want to check that out. Uh, we have
00:59:18.420
Pierre Polyev. It is sit down exclusive interview. So I'm very, very excited for that coming up tomorrow.
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Thank you so much for tuning into the podcast. I'm Candice Malcolm. This is a Candice Malcolm show.