Introducing a new True North Contributor: Samuel Sey
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Sam Say joins the show to talk about critical race theory and the pernicious ideology that promotes it. Sam has been published on the Daily Wire, The Blaze, The Christian Post, and many other publications, and has been a guest on The Candice Malcolm Show in the past.
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Canadians need to learn about critical race theory and the pernicious ideology that promotes it.
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That's why True North is excited to announce a new journalist who's going to focus entirely
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on critical race theory. I'm Candice Malcolm, and this is The Candice Malcolm Show.
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Hi, everyone. Thank you so much for tuning into the program. So we have some exciting news here
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at True North. We are excited to introduce Samuel Say, who is going to be a new contributor and
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True North journalism fellow here at True North. His focus and his wheelhouse is really talking
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about critical race theory and just how dangerous, just how pernicious. It sounds euphemistic. It
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sounds good. Everyone wants to be an anti-racist, but the reality behind this ideology is incredibly
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dangerous. I think a lot of people are learning that now reading the context of Bill 67 here in
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Ontario that seeks to push this ideology into our lives, into our school system. So I'm very
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pleased to be welcoming Sam. Sam, welcome to True North. We're really excited to have you on our team
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and welcome to the show. Thank you for having me. I'm excited to work alongside you guys.
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Yeah. So Sam, you are the founder and the writer on a website called Slow to Write, where you write
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excellent essays covering topics such as race, culture, and politics written from your own
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Christian perspective. You've been published on the Daily Wire, the Blaze, the Christian Post,
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and many more. We had you as a guest here on the Candace Malcolm Show in the past. So for our audience
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who haven't met you yet or aren't familiar with your writing, why don't you tell us a little bit
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about yourself and a little bit about the journalism that you do? Yeah. I was originally from Ghana.
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I immigrated to Canada, originally Montreal when I was young. Then we moved to the GTA area and I've lived
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here for a long time. I'm getting married soon. I'm getting married next month. I'm very excited
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about that. And as you said, I've been blogging on racial issues, cultural issues from a Christian
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conservative point of view. So yeah, I've become, yeah, I've, in the website, it's sort of write.com.
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I write mostly on Canadian issues and American issues. And over the last, you know, little,
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little while people have, I guess, have gained more access to my work. And, you know, critical race
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theory is, I know we'll talk more about that today, but as a real, I have a real passion against,
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against it because I see how it's dividing people across the world and especially Canada.
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And what's sad to me is Americans have come to see how dangerous it is, but so many Canadians,
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so many Canadian conservatives, and sadly, even some Canadian Christians are, are very apathetic to
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it or unaware of it. Not to get too ahead of myself here, but like even last year, I was canceled,
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truly canceled by Christian university here because they invited me to speak on critical race theory
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or on racism. And they thought I was going to be for it. If they had read my work, they would know
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that I, I was completely against it. And after my words, they canceled me. And this is, again,
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it's so-called Christian university in Alberta. This is how bad it is. And that was a year ago.
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And it's even, it's gotten even worse since then.
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I'm sorry to hear that. Congratulations on your engagement in your upcoming marriage. This
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wonderful news, Sam. I'm curious, what brought you towards these issues? Like what, what was it that
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made you want to focus on critical race theory and tackling this really thorny issue?
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Yeah. Well, I immediately, um, way back during the initial black lives matter riots in Ferguson,
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I remember being shocked by how many of my, my, my friends and mostly my black friends were,
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um, who had been in, you know, who had been loving and, you know, at peace with many of
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our other white friends where suddenly, um, there was, you know, had discord between, between them
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because they had different views on how to respond to black lives matter or respond to police shootings.
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And it also led to division between some of my conservative black friends and the more pro-black,
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um, pro-black lives matter or critical race theory friends. And I'm like, what is going on here?
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This is a, this is not something that, um, you know, is, is a norm for us. So then I started studying
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more of this issue and I just saw just how corrosive it is and how poisonous it is. And then the more I
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spoke out against it, the more people, including a lot of my friends were hating me for speak,
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for speaking out against it. And that was, uh, really what kind of started the whole issue.
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And again, I mean, I'm a, I'm a Christian. So I also saw how a lot of Christians who are really
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amongst the most conservative people, uh, I would say really are the most conservative people in our
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society. Uh, we're starting to embrace critical race theory as well. And I was again, shocked that
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it would even, um, um, seep into the church. And if it's going into the church, then it's everywhere.
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I, I see it as sort of a bait and switch because I think a lot of people are genuinely concerned
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and they, they genuinely dislike racism. They don't want it in our society. They don't like
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racist people. They don't want anything to do with that. And so they saw black lives matter
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as an opportunity to say, okay, there is historic injustices, especially in the United States.
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Um, maybe those historical injustices have an impact in today's, uh, you know, desperate outcomes
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and, and, and certain communities not doing as well as they could. Uh, let's focus on that issue.
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And I think that we all kind of agree that that's an important issue. Uh, but then, you know,
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so, so, so that, that's, that's the bait part. And then the switch is that, you know, what,
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what they're proposing here, um, you know, what black lives matter, uh, became to represent the
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sort of ideology underneath it is something so radical that, that, that what it seems to do
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is, is replace one type of racism with another, uh, much stronger, because I think for the most part,
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most Canadians certainly, uh, don't have racist animosity towards other people. They're,
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they're welcoming, they community oriented. Uh, you know, we have this country that's based
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on ongoing immigration and everyone wants to live harmoniously in, in pluralism. Um, and,
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and, but, but, but it really, the, the problem is really the underlying ideology and that's sort
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of what you become an expert on. So, you know, when it comes to bill 60, uh, 67 in Ontario,
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which I'm, I'm happy to report that it looks to be stalled. I mean, it, it, it was introduced
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in December. It was passed to second reading, uh, in, on March 3rd, and then it's gone to committee
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and it's sort of buried down in the bottom. We know we have an upcoming election here in Ontario,
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uh, this spring. And so it seems to me that maybe after the negative pushback that, that,
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that has come out in the media, thanks in large part, uh, to people like Barbara Kay, who we had
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on the show last week and Jordan Peterson, who had a YouTube video called kill bill 67. I think
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he's actually successfully killed this bill or at least, uh, you know, stalled it. Um, but, but,
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but really, you know, the, the, the idea is that they're going to change the education system.
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Um, I think that there's, uh, five different acts that it amends, um, entrenching, um, edge
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re-education to teachers that they must, uh, you know, now, uh, focus and take, um, courses
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on anti-racism, um, that there's going to be race-based hiring, uh, that there could be fines
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in classrooms for alleged sort of like microaggressions or, um, you know, things that are
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determined racism to be racist. Uh, the whole, the whole problem of course, Sam is the lack
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of any kind of, um, clear, uh, definitions. So, so it's really vague and there's a lot
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of room for interpretation and it seems to be, um, intentional. So I'm hoping you can
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just sort of give us an overview of, uh, critical race theory and how it's made its way into Ontario
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Yeah. Wow. Yeah. That's, uh, I'm happy to do that. Um, yeah, there's so much, uh, just so
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much to say about that. So I'll, I'll say something that you mentioned earlier about
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how, um, there are past injustices in our, in our nation, uh, that too many of us don't
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know much about, which is, which is a problem. We should know, we should be educated more on
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it. The issue is critical race theories. What they do is they're not, they claim they're
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just trying to address the historical injustices. That's not what they're doing. What they're
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doing is they're saying the entire system, the Canadian system, our founding principles
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are racist. That's what they're saying. So when they say that they want to change educational
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system or when they suggest that it's because they think every part of our institutions, all
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of our institutions, all of our systems, including the education system is racist. And this is
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because they are a race centric, uh, postmodernist Marxist movement, and they will stop at nothing
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until they change all of our values and our systems and our principles to create a more
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leftist Marxist postmodernist, uh, world. And, and, you know, it saddens me that so many
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of us have not been seeing this coming. So in terms of how it all began within our political
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system, what's been going on for a long time is actually, so it started off in law schools
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in the U S and also in Canada. Um, and it has since become part of our curriculum. So one
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of the things that I find interesting about this particular bill is it's in some ways
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unnecessary. Now, what I mean by that is, is that every school in Ontario is teaching
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critical race theory. I'm not trying to promote my blog, but on my blog, I wrote an article
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titled critical race theory in Canadian schools. This is because, um, the curriculum, like the,
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the truly the curriculum that we have in Ontario, um, it's already being taught. They're teaching
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five-year-olds, um, to read, uh, Ibram Kendi's, the anti-racist baby where kids are being, are
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be, are, are having to read out that they are racist unless they are anti-racist. Um, they're
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teaching, uh, they're reading Robin DiAngelo. They're, they're advocating white privilege and
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systemic racism and all of these ideas are already there. So why did, so then why would
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they want to implement this? Well, this is because, uh, a lot of us have not been fighting
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back at all at all. See, what happens is critical race theory when it's already being implemented
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by teachers and by, and by the faculty and the boards, and there's zero pushback from parents,
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well, then they're going to want to entrench it more into our curriculum to make it even harder
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for us to want to change our minds on this or to push back on it. Um, by then, because now we can
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still push back. Well, once it's in the system, it's a lot more difficult or once it, I mean, it's a
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law. It's a lot more difficult than to change their minds on. And then of course, if they can
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change the system, the, the, um, the educational system, then they can change the political system
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as well too. And this is really the beginning, I think of them pushing more radical, uh, bills
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going forward when it comes to critical race theory. One of the things that's so interesting is that this
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has sort of caused a huge backlash in the U S we saw a, uh, conservative Republican, uh, uh, governor get
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elected in Virginia state that usually elects Democrats and, you know, states like Florida
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have, have, have put in, uh, laws that specifically ban this type of thinking and this type of teaching,
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uh, because it's so divisive, Sam, it's so harmful. It's so negative to everybody, right? Uh, on the one
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side, you're telling, uh, white children that they're, that they're privileged and that there's
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something inherently wrong with them. On the other side, you're telling, you know, uh, black children
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and children from different ethnic origins that the system is rigged against them. And no matter
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what they do, they won't be successful. I mean, I can't think of a more divisive way to teach little
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children. Um, it's so counter to Canada's sort of founding ethos where this pluralistic country,
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uh, this idea of equality of opportunity where people are judged by their individual character.
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You know, we have a free market economy, countries based on freedom, which it really just says that each
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individual has the right to pursue their own path. And yet this is focusing so much on the group.
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I'm just wondering why you think, uh, there's pushback in the United States on these issues,
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but not in Canada and why a conservative government, a progressive conservative government in Ontario
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would be the ones championing and introducing this, this type of legislation here.
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There are so many reasons why, uh, we are, um, much more apathetic to this than our American,
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um, uh, neighbors. One is Americans just tend to be more, um, interested in what's going on in,
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in politically and really in the school boards. And we are Canadians were not very involved in the
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school boards. They were never involved in looking at what's going on, what's being taught in schools.
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Um, we're not very engaged in what's being said in the media, um, where most Canadians don't really
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follow what's going on. Um, most Canadians, of course, trust the legacy media. So they don't,
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they would never hear about things like this. Um, a lot of us also just have a, a problem with
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accepting whatever the conservative party, um, you know, will tell us that we don't challenge them
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oftentimes, which is why they're not even concerned about putting this bill forward in the US. It'd be
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unthinkable for a Republican to do this. They know they would, they would have severe pushback,
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but we have not given an incentive for our politicians who are supposed to, um, supposed to
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protect our interests, um, to even consider that, wait a minute, this may not be a good idea for us
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politically. Um, and also one of the issues is this, and I've said this before, and it always,
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it always shocks a lot of Canadians, but, um, critical race theory is just as popular, if not more
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popular in Canada than it is in the US. Every poll shows this, and I've seen this, but the issue is,
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it's become so accepted that there is so little pushback against it, and it's growing even worse.
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In America, you're seeing it, you're seeing it decrease in popularity because of the pushback
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from the conservatives there. But in Canada, it's actually getting more popular here. And, and that's
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in part because again, so many of us are not speaking out, which is why I'm grateful that True North
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is one of the few, you know, few, um, uh, media, media organizations that are actually dealing with
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this thing because too many, too many people are not addressing this issue at all.
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Well, it's, it's really interesting that you say that because I, I'm, I'm curious about the poll that
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you said that more Canadians are accepting of critical race theory, because I almost wonder if, if Canadians
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are, you know, the way that the polls question, uh, doesn't clearly explain what it is because I think a lot of
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people, uh, again, the, the, the sort of brilliance of critical race theory from the left is that it
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uses all these innocuous terms, that euphemistic terms, um, that, that sound good on the surface,
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right? Like everyone wants to be an anti-racist because we think racism is abhorrent and we want
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to rid it from our society, right? Uh, people hear equity and they think equality. They don't,
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they don't really know the distinction. So a lot of these words are, are, are, I think,
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deliberately designed to, to, to sort of fool people. And we, we here at True North,
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we ran an op-ed from a conservative member of parliament. He's part of the, um, Ontario
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party used to be part of, uh, uh, Doug Ford's progressive conservative party, but he got pushed
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out because he was critical of Ford's lockdown policies during COVID. So anyway, he wrote a piece
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for True North called voting for critical race theory was a mistake. Um, he said that he made a
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significant unintentional error when he voted for this bill and he, he, he voted for it because he
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thought that it stood against racism and he, I guess he didn't really read it carefully enough.
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Uh, one of the things that he goes on in his op-ed for us is talking about how, uh, the,
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the research that he's done basically on Robin DiAngelo, who wrote the book white fragility
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and Abraham X. Kennedy, who wrote the book, how to be an anti-racist. And to your point,
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how to be an anti-racist baby to a children's book. Uh, one of the lines though, that, that,
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that was really stood out to me. It says that according to Abraham X. Kennedy,
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the only remedy to racist discrimination is anti-racist discrimination. So they're openly
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calling for discrimination. And, and that's the part that once you push back, uh, past all these
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other terms, uh, you realize the true nature of this bill. It's to, uh, lump people together,
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judge them based on their group, not based on their individual character and, and to actively
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discriminate against some people to try to promote others. Uh, so I, I'm just wondering about the sort of
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euphemistic terms that are used. Maybe you can help us break down. Like, why is it that anti-racist
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doesn't actually mean anti-racist and why is it that equity, uh, how is it different than equality?
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Yeah. Um, being a Christian, uh, something immediately comes to mind in the text from the
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Bible, which basically says that Satan appears as an angel of light. And what that means is Satan is
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not gonna, you know, come to you saying, yeah, I'm the devil. He's going to appear as an angel.
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And in many ways, cunning politicians, cunning activists know how to phrase things in such a way
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that it will make you think what you're really supporting is, is a good thing instead of the bad
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thing. So they're going to say anti-racism because then you're, you're not going, if they say something
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like critical race theory, well, then you want to investigate it. If they say anti-racism, well,
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it sounds so simple. Well, then they're against racism. So then you wouldn't want to investigate
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anything. But really, again, it's really just a cover for racism. It is, they're saying they're
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good, but they're bad. Or it's like, again, as the Bible says that they say that evil is good and good
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is evil. So that if someone like me, they would call me, they'll say, since I'm not an anti-racist,
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I'm a racist. Even though I'm a black person, they would say that I am a, um, I'm a, uh, a white
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supremacist, you know, in black and black skin. So they use these terms and even, even things like
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the word equity, which has become so, um, a, a, it's such a, a term that's been, that's just been
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used by so many people and they don't know what it really means. Equity and equality under the
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critical race theory definition is completely different. Equity basically means equality of
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outcome for all people, which means as you, as you referenced, um, or I mean, D'Angelo's point,
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it means really discriminating against white people to help black people. Well, the problem
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is you can never harm someone to help somebody. That's not how it works. Martin Luther King Jr.
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was very good at this, right? Who, by the way, they, they label him also a white supremacist as well,
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too, because he is not a critical race theorist at all. So he, he mentioned that, look, what is best
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for the, for the black man is what's best for the white man. And what is best for the white man is
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what's best for the black man, that we are all in this together, that you don't want to be a, um,
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a, a person who is trying to seek the interest of one group at the expense of another group.
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That is racism when it comes to, when we're doing that with black people or white people,
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it was wrong for white supremacists to harm black people thinking they'd be helping white people.
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And it's wrong for critical race theorists today or black supremacists to be trying to harm, um, um,
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white people to help black people. It will not work. The only way to do true justice is to,
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is to pursue the rights and freedoms of all people, no matter what skin color they are.
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And therefore we should be rejecting equity and supporting equality, equality under the law,
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equality of opportunity. That's what I want. That's what everyone should want, no matter what
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skin color you are, but critical race theory thinks that is evil, that's racism, and that's unjust.
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Well, absolutely. That's such a clear explanation. I really appreciate that. I remember it's probably
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five or six years ago. Now I heard a speech from the Toronto leader of the black lives matter
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group, uh, where she called Justin Trudeau, a white supremacist. And I remember thinking that
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was so shocking and so strange. Uh, but, but since then I've heard it so many times, right? It's like,
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they've changed the meaning of that word, right? Like this is same with racist. Racist used to just be
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someone who discriminated against other races, thinking that they, that one race was superior
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or inferior. Um, whereas now it's, it's all about subconscious institutions and, and there's this
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all complicated, uh, definition. It's the same with this term white supremacist. I mean,
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to call someone like yourself or Martin Luther King, a white supremacist is so patently absurd.
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Um, and yet, um, you know, the, the way that they've changed the definition of that word,
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it, it doesn't mean what it used to mean. It now means anyone who, uh, you know, supports the
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systems that, that they say are systemically, uh, racist or supports the institutions of Canada,
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which they say are irredeemably broken basically. Um, and wanting to replace it with some kind of a
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utopian idea. It's, it's, it's really, it's really scary stuff. So how can, how can people fight
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back against it, Sam? Yeah. You know, um, I want to, I want the audience to remember something.
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One of the, one of the key words that was used to dismiss the convoy was white supremacist. Now
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that had nothing to do with racism or white supremacy, but why did they do that? They did
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that because they know it's an effective way to dismiss someone in the same thing. They know they
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can dismiss people. They can dismiss, um, good values and they can, they can dismiss our systems
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by calling them white supremacist. And then that is the game. And so we have to know the game and
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know how to oppose them. Right. So how do we fight back? Honestly, it's being involved in our school
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systems. If you're a parent, be asking, and I've seen, I've gotten emails from people telling me how
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they've been able to, um, to reach out to their, to their, their, their children's schools. And by asking
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questions, they've made it known to the teachers that they will not tolerate critical race theory being
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taught in the schools. And because of that, because of fear of, of, of pushback from the parents,
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the school has, have, have, have backed off. So something like simply asking, um, um, your teachers
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or the principals, what is being taught will help them with accountability for that. Reach out to your,
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to your MPs, reach out to the politicians, let them know how you will not stand for this. And I think
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simple things like that will be enough to let them know that, look, we are not apathetic. We do care about
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this. If they think we don't care, they can do whatever they want. But as you said, right now,
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they were pushing this bill since, since December with no controversy. And now that you have some
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people speaking out against it, you already have them apparently stalling. And that's just how
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effective it is when we are not silent. Absolutely. I encourage anyone watching
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this. If you are in Ontario and you have kids in schools, push back, you know, pick up the phone,
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especially, you know, if you don't want to get involved in a lot of parents don't want to ruffle any
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feathers at their kids' schools, uh, call your MPP, especially if they're a conservative and,
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and just say how appalled you are that they would, uh, push forward a bill like this,
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because I think you're right. I think that in the U S it's, it's sort of hit a critical mass
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where more enough parents are aware. I hear so often, Sam, from parents, from friends who have
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little kids in Ontario talking about, you know, the latest thing, um, you know, oh, we're all supposed
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to wear this certain color on a certain day to show that, you know, whatever. And, and, and,
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and, you know, pushing this little stuff on little kids, like four or five year olds. Um,
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you can't, I can't imagine some of the stuff that's being, uh, said to these children in
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school and how damaging and harmful it is for the cool cohesion of our society. I will say we're
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so excited to have you at true north. Why don't we talk a little bit about what you're going to be
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doing, what you have planned for us here at true north. Yeah. Hey, I'm, I'm excited to, uh,
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to start writing. I've already been thinking of ideas. I want to write more about critical race theory.
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Uh, I want to write about what's happening. Um, I've received a lot of emails from parents,
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just sharing more information as to what their kids are bringing home to them and what they are
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learning from school. I want to address some of the other things going on in Canada as well. And,
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um, I'm excited to just, you know, write about really anything. So, you know, people who may
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follow me from my blog, I want to write similar things, but maybe more in a, in a more broad sense,
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uh, for, um, true north. Yeah. And, you know, you said that so many of this stuff in some ways,
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Bill 67 isn't necessary because there's so many instances out there. We have a reporter,
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Sue Ann Levy, who, who writes a lot about the sort of woke stuff that happens at the very local level,
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which, you know, gets kind of, uh, passed over in the legacy media. They don't really cover local
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politics anymore. They don't really cover city council stuff, but it will be great to have more
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people reporting and yourself with your expertise in, in this theory. Uh, so we're, we're really
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looking forward to having you on the team and for you to continue to expose this. Cause it's just,
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it's so important. Every parent should be aware of it. And I think that if more conservatives knew
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these sort of code words and code language that they use, um, this kind of bill would never get
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introduced in a Canadian legislature or parliament ever again. So Sam, we're really excited. Uh, welcome
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again to true north and we look forward to having future conversations with you. Thank you very much.
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All right. That's Samuel say he writes at slow to write.com and he now writes for true north
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as well. Thank you so much, Sam. I'm Candace Malcolm, and this is the Candace Malcolm show.