Is the media narrative getting away from the facts of this story?
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In this episode, Candice talks about the shocking discovery of the remains of 215 children buried near a former residential school in Kamloops, British Columbia, Canada, and how the media and the public are treating it as genocide.
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Hi, and welcome to the Candice Malcolm Show. I'm your host, Candice Malcolm. Thank you
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donate. All right, let's get to the news. So today I'm going to talk about the biggest story
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in the country right now. It's been dominating the headlines all week, and obviously it is
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a very sensitive subject. I'm talking about this report that came out over the weekend
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about the apparent discovery of 215 children's remains found buried near a residential school
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in Kamloops, British Columbia. So first, I want to say that this story is invoking quite
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an emotional reaction across the country, and you can understand why. It's obviously
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a very, very upsetting topic in general. The topic is very sensitive. I'll just say this
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for myself. As someone who leans libertarian, especially when it comes to the idea of families
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and a parent's right to raise their children however they want and how they see fit, the idea
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that the government once had a policy where it would remove children from their homes
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is incredibly upsetting, and I wholeheartedly condemn it, obviously. Likewise, as the mother
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of small children, the idea of children being separated from their parents is horrible. It's
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very upsetting. So I understand why this story is creating such a stir and such an emotional
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reaction across the country. But the reason I want to talk about it on this podcast, I want
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to talk about it with you today, is because I believe that the reaction and the media narrative
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is really running into some dangerous territory for us as a country. We now have people invoking
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the Holocaust, saying that what happened here equates to genocide, that this story confirms
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genocide, and treating these residential schools like they were some sort of a death camp. Now
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look, I condemned residential schools. I think they were a bad idea, obviously. I think
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we all agree on that horrible things were done and the policy was regrettable. But I think
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we get into some dangerous territory as a country when we start equating our history and what
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happened to the Nazis, to a Holocaust, and pretending that these schools were some kind of a murder
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camp or a death camp. So before we just accept this narrative, let's go back to the facts of
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the story. Let's go back to the original story and try to discern what facts we know at this
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point. So this entire story came from one news release. This news release was issued by the
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Kamloops Band. So this is it. It came on May 27th from the Kamloops Sekemki. Apologies, I probably
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didn't pronounce that properly, but the Kamloops Indian Band. So it says for immediate release,
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it says it's with heavy heart that Chief Roseanne Casimir confirms an unthinkable loss
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that was spoken about but never discovered by the Kamloops Indian Residential School.
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This past weekend, with the help of ground-penetrating radar specialists, the stark truth
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of the preliminary findings came to light, the confirmation of the remains of 215 children
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who were students of the Kamloops Residential School. So the news release goes on to have some
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quotes about how hard this is and how they have been working to verify this. So they knew that,
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you know, there were stories in the community that this had happened, but they weren't able to find
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any evidence. And they're saying that they have evidence now with the use of this ground-penetrating
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radar. But the interesting thing about this news release is that it doesn't release a report.
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It says that it basically just announces that they found the remains of 215 children.
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They don't exactly say how. And then they say that the report says that they expect to complete
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preliminary findings by mid-June and will be providing an update as soon as they become
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available. So the preliminary findings have not yet been released. The report hasn't been released.
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We're saying it's forthcoming in mid-June. It also says, please note that the Heritage Park
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is closed to the public and no one will be permitted on the site for the duration of this sensitive work.
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They still say that they are taking steps regarding these preliminary findings, engaging with a coroner,
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reaching out to the home of communities who had children attend the school, and taking measures
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to ensure the location remains protected. So again, we haven't had the official report.
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We just have a news release from the chief, from this band, saying that this happened. So we go over
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to the CBC story, and it kind of confirms it. You have to read it carefully. It says, the headline here,
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remains of 215 children found buried at former BC Residential School First Nations say.
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So at this point, it is just a claim. It's a claim that they say is coming because they hired
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a specialist. So they hired the specialist in ground penetrating radar to carry out the work,
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and that their language and culture department oversaw the project to ensure it was done in a
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culturally appropriate and respectful way. The release did not specify the company or individual
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involved or how the work was completed. Then when it comes to outside confirmation,
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it says that they're working with the BC coroner service. But then in a statement to the CBC,
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BC's chief coroner said that the coroner service was alerted to the discovery on Thursday.
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We are in the early process of gathering information and will continue to work collaboratively
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with the band and others as the sensitive work progresses. So the coroner's office has not yet
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confirmed this information. So what we have at this point is a claim, not a verified report.
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They haven't released their findings. There's no public access. There's no third party verification,
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and there is no report. So obviously, there's a lot of questions that remain a lot of things that are
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unknown at this point. So I have a couple of questions. The first thing that came to my mind is
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how do we know exactly how many remains were found? How did we get to that number 215? Well,
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there was a story in the National Post that I thought did a great job of explaining the radar
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technology and how it works. So we're not talking about an excavation site here. They didn't dig up
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anything. This was all above ground, ground penetrating radar technology. That's what we're told
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that the report was used in order to find these remains. So a lot of people are asking,
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you know, what is this technology? I spoke to a professor friend of mine who said that this,
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that does this kind of work, and he said that this kind of technology is common. It was originally
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developed to look for abandoned oil drums and those kind of things, and that now it is being used to look
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at ancient cemeteries and First Nation cemeteries. So the National Post did this story. I thought they did a
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great job. This was Tyler Dawson over at the National Post, and he interviewed a professor of
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anthropology at the University of Alberta who focuses on this kind of thing. In the interview,
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I'm going to read part of it because it's really interesting. She says, quote, so it can map all kinds
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of things. It was actually originally developed for geology, but it can be applied in the context to
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look for graves. It doesn't actually see the bodies. It's not like an x-ray. What it actually does is look
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for the shaft. When a grave is dug, there is a grave shaft dug, and the body is placed in the grave,
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sometimes in a coffin, as in the Christian burial context. What the ground penetrating radar can see
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is where that pit itself was dug, because the soil actually changes when you dig a grave. And
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occasionally, if it is a coffin, the radar can pick up the coffin sometimes as well. So that's
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interesting. The whole way that they knew that these graves were here was because of the coffins. Well,
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that kind of flies in the face of part of the mainstream media and what the left-wing media
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is telling you that these bodies were just sort of discarded into some mass grave. According to
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this National Post story, what it implies is that these bodies were potentially buried properly and
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respectfully. Second, the second thing that we don't know yet is none of this confirms that these
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graves actually belong to children. They were found at the location of the residential school,
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but they were just graves. They could have been part of a community graveyard, for all we know.
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We don't have that answer yet. Finally, of course, none of this tells us about the cause of death.
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We don't know how these people died. Lots of politicians and leaders are jumping to conclusions.
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They're saying this was murder. Some even say it was genocide. But does the evidence really show us that?
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So just keep in mind this school was open from 1890 to 1969. If we go back to 1890, just look at the statistics.
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If we go back to 1890 and look at the statistics, the infant mortality rate in 1890 in Canada was 27 percent.
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Twenty-seven percent. So nearly one in three children died before their fifth birthday. And this, of course,
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was because of communicable diseases. We're obviously talking about a very different time. We're talking
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about a time before modern medicine, before vaccines were developed. And when communicable diseases,
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diseases like TB and Spanish flu were rampant and there was no real cure. So all this is to say that
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my great concern here is about the policy ramifications of all of this. So obviously there are very
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legitimate concerns and emotions out there right now. My worry, though, is that snap decisions will
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be made without information, letting emotions drive the public policy decision. That is not a healthy way
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to run democracy. Decisions should be made with a clear head. We should be examining the facts. We should
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be considering the second and third order consequences of these decisions, not making snap decisions in the
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reaction of a huge, huge national story that is very emotional. So all of this is to say, again,
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before we jump to conclusions, we should just wait for more information. At the very least,
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we should wait for the preliminary report or the official report to come out. Maybe it's not as bad
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as we think, or maybe possibly it's far worse, but we don't know at this point. So let's wait for some
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concrete evidence. It's always needed. And that's the standard. That would be the standard for any other
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news story out there. And the same should apply for us here. All right, everyone have a great week.
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This is Candace Malcolm. This is the Candace Malcolm show. I will see you next week.