The Candice Malcolm Show - January 29, 2025


Jagmeet Singh to PROP UP the Liberals again?!


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332

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Summary

Candice Malan is joined by Tom Flanagan to discuss the latest in the tariff war, a new First Nations documentary, and whether or not Canadian citizens should be eligible for U.S. citizenship. She also talks about a new poll that suggests nearly half of young Canadian men would take American citizenship if offered.


Transcript

00:00:00.000 Hi, and welcome to the Candice Malcolm Show. I'm your host, Candice Malcolm. We have a
00:00:11.240 great show lined up for you today. We're going to talk about the latest in the tariff threats
00:00:16.740 and the tariff war that look like they could be coming as soon as this Saturday. We'll
00:00:21.020 talk about the government's response, which is basically creating a COVID-like schedule
00:00:26.320 to pay Canadians just like they did during CERB. It's unbelievable. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh
00:00:32.040 suggesting that perhaps he will prop up the Liberal government once again after promising
00:00:36.240 us that he won't. We'll get to his latest comments. We'll talk about Mark Carney and the leadership.
00:00:41.660 And later on, we're going to talk about a First Nations documentary that does a major
00:00:46.600 disservice to Canadians in spreading mistruths. We'll try to correct the record on that. I am
00:00:51.500 pleased and delighted today to be joined by Tom Flanagan. Tom Flanagan is Professor Emeritus at
00:00:57.060 the University of Calgary School of Public Policy. He served as a campaign manager on Stephen Harper's
00:01:01.760 Canadian Alliance Leadership Campaign and Harper's Conservative Party Leadership. It's always a
00:01:06.680 pleasure to have Tom on the show. So, Tom, thank you so much for joining us.
00:01:10.720 Hi, Malcolm. It's great. Candice, great to be here.
00:01:13.780 Great. Thanks. So before we get into the rest of the news, I want to talk about an exclusive that True
00:01:18.560 North has published today an exclusive poll that we commissioned that found that nearly half of
00:01:24.620 young Canadian men would take American citizenship from Donald Trump if offered. So the poll was
00:01:32.520 conducted by one persuasion. Forty-five percent of young men aged 18 to 34 would take American citizenship
00:01:40.340 and 46 percent would reject it. So just right about half. Next, we saw that the willingness
00:01:48.360 shortly decreased as men got older. So only 15 percent of men 55 and older said that they would.
00:01:55.620 Women were generally less interested in taking U.S. citizenship. Only 25 percent of young women
00:02:01.780 age 18 to 34 said yes. Dropped to 18 for women 35 to 55 and then only 7 percent 55 and older. It kind
00:02:09.000 of makes sense. As you get more established, you're less likely to take a risk and move to another country.
00:02:13.920 One thing that I thought was really interesting was that the education level mattered. It was a
00:02:18.200 strong factor influencing whether they would be willing to take this offer. So only 13 percent of
00:02:24.100 respondents with a high school education or less said that they would take U.S. citizenship. But it
00:02:28.620 rose steadily with education levels. So 19 percent of community college or trade educated said that they
00:02:34.680 would take the offer. 25 percent with a bachelor's degree and up to 35 percent for those with a postgraduate
00:02:41.780 degree. So kind of interesting that the more educated that you get, the more likely you would
00:02:47.560 be. I think that makes sense because personally, like I know a lot of people who are doctors or who
00:02:52.360 have postgraduate degrees in medicine and a lot of them go to the U.S. just so that they can make some
00:02:57.800 money, that there's more opportunities down there. Same thing for law. Same thing probably for
00:03:02.100 universities. There's so many more universities down there. So if you have a Ph.D., you might be more
00:03:06.420 likely to be able to get a job down there. Tom, I want to get your thoughts on this. You worked in a
00:03:10.980 university. What do you think about the fact that the more education you have, the more likely you
00:03:15.560 would be to want to join and become an American? Well, I think it makes sense. You know, the country
00:03:21.740 is nine times as big, at least in the United States, and there are more opportunities down there. And
00:03:27.280 many of these jobs are more highly paid in the United States. And high income people are more
00:03:37.920 highly taxed in Canada. So there are a lot of economic reasons why somebody might consider.
00:03:44.860 I would just add one footnote as somebody who actually has American citizenship because I was
00:03:49.820 born and grew up there. If these people realized that if they obtained American citizenship, or even
00:03:57.960 if they went to the United States and worked there on a green card, they would have to file with the
00:04:03.780 Internal Revenue Service for the rest of their life, even if they came back to Canada later. So there are
00:04:10.060 some downsides that perhaps not everybody realizes. Yeah, that's right.
00:04:16.020 See why it looks attractive. Yeah, my stepmother, who's lived in Canada for 40 years, but she grew
00:04:22.260 up in Boston. She's American. It drives her crazy having to file her taxes every year to the point
00:04:27.300 where she's even considered renouncing. But then that's so much paperwork and money that she said,
00:04:32.380 forget it. I was talking to a journalist friend, because one of the things that was interesting was
00:04:36.620 that the number on the prairies isn't very high. According to this study, it was 18% of people on
00:04:42.960 the prairies that said they would take American citizenship, whereas I think BC was the highest
00:04:46.360 with 25%. I was talking to a journalist friend from Ontario, and he was really surprised by that.
00:04:50.960 He was like, you know, I would have imagined that Albertans would be the number one and not British
00:04:54.360 Columbians. But it makes sense to me. I've been talking to a lot of Albertans who, you know,
00:04:58.360 they mistrust Ottawa and the federal government in Canada, but they would mistrust a bigger government
00:05:04.460 in Washington, DC with a lot more power, even more. What's your take on that?
00:05:09.820 Well, I think, again, I think it's mainly economic that Alberta at the present time
00:05:14.040 has more opportunities than any other province. And that's demonstrated by the number of people
00:05:21.520 who are moving here right now. So I think young men are probably less dissatisfied with their
00:05:28.920 situation than they might be in some other provinces. So I can understand that. Now, that could change
00:05:35.600 with the change in the international oil market. And, you know, a lot of things could happen to take
00:05:41.360 away Alberta's prosperity. But right now, it's pretty good. And people are moving in rather than
00:05:46.380 trying to leave.
00:05:48.500 Well, yeah, that's great. I mean, I grew up in British Columbia in the 90s and the 2000s. And
00:05:53.440 I would say that like a large proportion of my graduating class in high school moved to Alberta
00:05:58.300 for the opportunities that the oil field had in the kind of early 2000s. A lot of them moved up to
00:06:03.220 Fort McMurray or Edmonton just to have jobs that didn't exist in British Columbia anymore. I want
00:06:10.720 to step back a little, Tom, and ask you about your broader thoughts. I mean, you've probably been
00:06:15.620 watching Donald Trump, as we all have. And his sort of, I think he's musing in his jokes about
00:06:21.840 Canada becoming the 51st state, sort of mocking Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him Governor
00:06:26.220 Trudeau. I think that that is really Trump has a knack for making jokes in a way that really hits
00:06:32.060 someone where it hurts. I think that's humiliating to Justin Trudeau to be called the governor.
00:06:36.000 And Trump knows that. What do you make of Trump's actions, his words, the whole 51st state joke,
00:06:43.020 and the tariffs that may be coming as soon as this weekend?
00:06:48.400 Well, on the jokes, the 51st state, I think these are part of Trump's negotiating style
00:06:54.800 and the way he deals with rivals. And we've seen many examples of this. And then he often reconciles
00:07:03.000 with these people afterwards. So I don't think joining the United States is a serious idea for
00:07:09.760 anybody really. And so I'm not spending any time thinking about that. The tariffs, on the other hand,
00:07:16.940 are a very serious issue. And here the problem is to, for us to understand what Trump's motive is.
00:07:27.940 Because he's, as he often does, he has said different things at different times.
00:07:32.420 So at times he's made it sound as if the tariffs, excuse me, are a negotiating tactic to get Canada to change
00:07:43.120 certain policies like border control or contributing to NATO and building up armed forces and so forth.
00:07:52.960 So some Canadians have said, well, that's the response we need to make,
00:07:57.280 is to satisfy Trump on these issues, which really aren't so terribly burdensome for Canada anyway.
00:08:05.440 On the other hand, there's a lot of evidence that Trump wants to levy tariffs for revenue.
00:08:15.120 He has economic advisors who have apparently convinced him that you can get rid of the federal income tax
00:08:23.840 and replace that revenue with tariff revenue.
00:08:28.400 Now, you know, personally, I doubt that that's true.
00:08:31.220 But, excuse me, my voice is not what it used to be.
00:08:35.340 Oh.
00:08:39.280 If that's what's really in his mind,
00:08:42.240 then the tariffs will come no matter what Canada does.
00:08:48.800 Because the point is to raise revenue in the United States.
00:08:52.540 I don't know what's in his mind.
00:08:56.820 I guess we just have to wait and see.
00:08:59.680 But it's important to find out because our responses would be quite different
00:09:03.480 depending on what the real motivation is.
00:09:08.440 And then there's this issue of the unfavorable balance of trade.
00:09:12.980 And that, I think, is based on a misunderstanding on Trump's part.
00:09:17.120 But, again, if that's what's in his mind,
00:09:23.060 he might be levying tariffs for that reason, too.
00:09:28.880 And there's not a whole lot that Canada can do about that.
00:09:33.060 Ross McKittrick has explained to the public in some columns
00:09:36.640 why there's this unfavorable balance of trade
00:09:40.020 and how it's related to the United States' need to borrow.
00:09:46.480 So these international accounts balance in the end,
00:09:50.540 but whether it's in financial transfers or transfers of goods,
00:09:53.960 it can change a whole lot.
00:09:55.220 So, anyway, I'm not sure what the right response is.
00:09:59.160 I think we have to wait and see what Trump's real motivation is.
00:10:03.980 And maybe that will become clear or not.
00:10:07.560 I don't know.
00:10:08.180 Yeah, well, Danielle Smith has made a similar point.
00:10:10.560 She basically said if you take out our oil,
00:10:12.500 which we sell at a discount to the United States anyway,
00:10:14.600 in part because we don't have another customer,
00:10:17.340 it's actually Canada that has a trade deficit.
00:10:20.040 And that might be based on a misunderstanding.
00:10:25.040 You said that you don't think that Trump's offer is serious
00:10:29.080 and that you shouldn't spend a lot of time thinking about it.
00:10:31.680 I think that's right.
00:10:32.660 But I think it's a good time to have this sort of thought experiment.
00:10:35.900 And I saw Jordan Peterson had a piece on the cover
00:10:38.920 of the National Post this morning.
00:10:41.220 The cover says, what a poor friend we've been.
00:10:44.060 And the online version says,
00:10:46.740 Canada must offer more than Trump could.
00:10:50.280 Now, this article is getting a lot of traction online.
00:10:53.980 A lot of people on the political left are very upset
00:10:56.380 that Peterson would write this
00:10:58.160 and that the National Post would publish this.
00:11:00.840 It's a long piece.
00:11:01.620 It's an essay, but I encourage listeners to go check it out
00:11:04.420 because it's really interesting.
00:11:06.440 Peterson basically says that there's this prominent anti-Americanism
00:11:12.360 that's prevalent, particularly in central Canada.
00:11:15.080 He gives an anecdote of when he worked at Harvard
00:11:18.360 and then he moved to teach in Canada at the University of Toronto.
00:11:22.180 He brought with him some of the brightest sort of graduate students
00:11:25.280 that he had, brought them to Canada,
00:11:27.600 and he was constantly embarrassed by the anti-Americanism
00:11:31.400 that they would encounter at the university
00:11:33.800 and how prevalent it is.
00:11:35.940 And there's this sort of pernicious attitude.
00:11:38.320 I don't think that that attitude exists in the same way in Western Canada.
00:11:42.040 I haven't seen it as much.
00:11:43.220 Part of the reason I loved being in Alberta
00:11:44.860 is that the knee-jerk anti-Americanism wasn't there.
00:11:47.300 It certainly is there in Toronto.
00:11:48.940 So Peterson describes that.
00:11:50.760 And he basically runs through the case
00:11:52.740 as to how Alberta has been severely mistreated by Canada
00:11:56.360 over basically since Pierre Trudeau was prime minister.
00:11:59.820 I don't think that you'd get a lot of arguments
00:12:02.180 from people in Alberta about that,
00:12:04.460 about just how unfair the federation has been to Alberta in many ways.
00:12:08.920 He concludes by basically just saying that
00:12:11.600 Trump could offer Alberta a better deal,
00:12:14.440 but we don't want that.
00:12:16.460 Instead, the ownership should be on Canada to say,
00:12:19.800 look, we need to up our goal,
00:12:21.880 we need to start treating Alberta as a fair partner in confederation,
00:12:25.620 and we need to take ourselves more seriously.
00:12:28.440 I'll read just the last paragraph here
00:12:29.880 because I think it's quite powerful.
00:12:33.480 Peterson says,
00:12:34.440 Trump is threatening the integrity of Canada and very effectively.
00:12:37.920 The fact of that threat and its effectiveness
00:12:40.060 might make us think twice.
00:12:41.920 In such thinking,
00:12:43.280 there could be an opportunity to shed the idiocy
00:12:45.620 that is making us poor, weak, and irrelevant on the national stage
00:12:49.160 and contemptible to our neighbours.
00:12:51.240 We could make this saber-rattling into an opportunity,
00:12:54.520 increase our cross-border trade,
00:12:56.960 get out of our own way on the energy front,
00:12:59.640 rekindle national pride,
00:13:00.920 at least to the point where we regard our country
00:13:02.780 as both viable and valuable,
00:13:04.800 seek the international markets
00:13:06.420 that would make us truly independent,
00:13:08.720 strengthen our commitment to the military,
00:13:10.800 that would make us increasingly and truly necessary
00:13:13.360 if such independence were pursued,
00:13:16.440 and make of the next 100 years
00:13:19.880 Canada's triumph
00:13:20.840 instead of the story of contemptible,
00:13:23.240 self-aggrandizing, moralistic,
00:13:25.900 falsely green, and socialist demise.
00:13:28.260 Now, that's quite harsh,
00:13:30.360 well-written, but quite harsh.
00:13:32.660 I actually think Jordan Peterson
00:13:34.620 is right on the money here.
00:13:36.060 I think we should take this
00:13:36.880 as an opportunity to reflect,
00:13:38.680 look at our country,
00:13:39.640 which is failing
00:13:40.280 because of the socialistic policies,
00:13:42.600 the woke socialism brought on
00:13:44.020 by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,
00:13:45.580 and take this as an opportunity
00:13:46.880 to really turn our country around.
00:13:48.900 I mean, we may not even have the choice.
00:13:50.540 We have to do that from an economic perspective,
00:13:53.460 probably from a military perspective,
00:13:54.840 if Canada wants to truly survive as a nation.
00:13:58.260 What do you make of all this, Tom?
00:13:59.820 Well, yeah, I mean, I would agree
00:14:00.960 in broad outline with what he's saying.
00:14:03.080 As far as the anti-Americanism goes,
00:14:09.360 yeah, it's not a big deal in Alberta.
00:14:12.860 I have experienced it a couple of times
00:14:14.640 in my own life,
00:14:16.660 but, you know, these were just twits
00:14:18.720 that I didn't take too seriously.
00:14:22.360 It is more common in the East.
00:14:24.840 People aren't even really aware of it in Ontario.
00:14:27.620 It's just, I think in Eastern Canada,
00:14:31.840 it's very deeply rooted,
00:14:33.500 probably goes back to the American Revolution
00:14:35.340 and foundation of Canada by the Loyalists
00:14:37.980 who were exiles from the United States.
00:14:41.440 Well, they're not fully responsible
00:14:43.220 for the foundation of Canada,
00:14:44.680 but a very large element in it.
00:14:47.420 So it's a long tradition there.
00:14:50.980 Yeah, it comes with the territory, so to speak.
00:14:53.180 Like, as most Americans are not aware of it, though,
00:14:59.420 you don't become aware of it
00:15:01.140 unless you spend some time in Ontario.
00:15:05.960 I mean, if you're just a tourist
00:15:06.940 and you go to Toronto and you say,
00:15:08.820 hey, nice, or at least you used to say,
00:15:11.100 nice, clean city and so on.
00:15:14.360 Now, on the treatment of Alberta, yes,
00:15:16.240 I think that, you know, that's true.
00:15:19.640 Of course, I did a whole book about it recently
00:15:21.340 together with Jack Mintz and Ted Morton.
00:15:24.880 Our major industries have been treated
00:15:27.300 very badly by Canada.
00:15:31.700 But you have to distinguish
00:15:33.580 on this kind of issue,
00:15:36.720 both with Alberta and with
00:15:38.920 attitudes towards the United States.
00:15:42.800 It's quite different under a liberal government
00:15:45.100 and a conservative government.
00:15:46.880 Under Mulroney and under Harper,
00:15:48.760 Canada acted in a very friendly way
00:15:52.600 towards the United States,
00:15:54.040 cultivated good personal relations
00:15:55.760 with presidents,
00:15:57.740 supported American policies,
00:16:00.980 at least talked about a greater
00:16:03.820 military contribution.
00:16:05.700 Not sure it was real,
00:16:06.760 but they talked about it.
00:16:08.060 So it's the liberals going back
00:16:10.620 to Pierre Trudeau.
00:16:13.060 He was the first one
00:16:14.820 to sort of openly
00:16:19.420 talk about distancing Canada
00:16:21.780 from the United States.
00:16:23.960 It actually didn't amount to anything.
00:16:26.340 He wasn't able to do it,
00:16:27.520 but he talked about it.
00:16:28.460 It probably created some antagonism there.
00:16:31.580 And with Chrétien
00:16:32.620 and now with Trudeau Jr.,
00:16:35.780 there's been a pattern
00:16:36.720 of not supporting the U.S.
00:16:40.000 at key times
00:16:40.780 or making slighting comments,
00:16:44.080 which you did not see
00:16:45.240 under conservative governments.
00:16:49.700 Now, just a historical footnote here.
00:16:52.160 This is ancient history,
00:16:53.300 maybe, for many of our watchers.
00:16:55.260 But this reverses
00:16:57.440 an older historical pattern.
00:17:00.760 Up until Trudeau,
00:17:06.420 it was conservatives
00:17:07.560 who were perhaps more negative
00:17:11.820 about the United States
00:17:12.920 and liberals who historically
00:17:15.300 were more favorable.
00:17:16.960 I mean, a good example
00:17:17.680 would be Diefenbaker
00:17:19.120 refusing to take
00:17:20.240 the nuclear missiles
00:17:23.080 and Pearson doing it.
00:17:26.800 So Trudeau flipped the script.
00:17:30.080 And since then,
00:17:30.800 it's been the liberals
00:17:31.580 who've been more antagonistic
00:17:33.460 towards the United States.
00:17:34.980 If we get a conservative government,
00:17:37.140 that pattern will change, I think.
00:17:40.940 Well, I hope so,
00:17:41.840 because, I mean,
00:17:43.240 not that I agree
00:17:44.160 with everything Trump says,
00:17:45.280 but I think he raises
00:17:46.440 some good points
00:17:47.000 when it comes to Canada's
00:17:47.920 lack of commitment
00:17:48.600 to securing our border,
00:17:50.680 the issue with fentanyl,
00:17:51.740 the issue with people
00:17:52.760 on terrorist watch lists,
00:17:53.800 known terrorists
00:17:54.440 sneaking into the United States
00:17:55.940 from Canada.
00:17:56.740 Why were they lending
00:17:57.320 into Canada in the first place?
00:17:58.880 I think that the focus
00:17:59.600 needs to be, Tom,
00:18:00.740 on fixing these problems
00:18:02.040 and pulling our own weight
00:18:03.460 militarily,
00:18:04.560 rather than the approach
00:18:06.460 that the Trudeau government
00:18:07.900 is taking.
00:18:09.320 So we'll talk about this now.
00:18:11.980 First of all,
00:18:12.760 we have Trump's
00:18:13.740 new press secretary,
00:18:15.240 Caroline Levitt,
00:18:16.560 confirming that the U.S.
00:18:17.580 does still plan
00:18:18.500 to implement tariffs
00:18:19.680 on Canada on February 1st.
00:18:21.940 Here she was yesterday
00:18:22.780 making it crystal clear.
00:18:25.100 Can you give us an update
00:18:26.040 on the president's plan
00:18:27.080 for his tariff agenda?
00:18:28.700 He spoke a lot about this
00:18:29.800 yesterday,
00:18:30.420 and there's a couple of dates
00:18:31.320 coming up that he's spoken to.
00:18:33.100 Number one, February 1st,
00:18:34.340 he's alluded to both
00:18:35.040 the potential for Canada
00:18:35.900 and Mexico,
00:18:36.900 but also China
00:18:37.620 to take effect on those days.
00:18:39.900 What's he thinking about that?
00:18:42.240 Should those countries
00:18:43.060 expect that?
00:18:43.620 Again, he was asked
00:18:44.520 and answered this question
00:18:45.400 this past weekend
00:18:46.160 when he took a lot of questions
00:18:48.000 from the press,
00:18:48.600 and he said
00:18:49.240 that the February 1st
00:18:50.440 date for Canada
00:18:51.800 and Mexico still holds.
00:18:54.020 So February 1st
00:18:54.720 still holds,
00:18:55.320 and in response,
00:18:55.880 we saw this story
00:18:56.620 on Tuesday
00:18:57.880 in the Globe and Mail.
00:18:58.520 We covered this a little bit
00:18:59.240 on our podcast yesterday,
00:19:00.360 but we'll talk about it again.
00:19:02.100 According to the Globe and Mail,
00:19:03.280 Ottawa is planning
00:19:04.260 pandemic-level relief
00:19:06.080 for workers
00:19:06.840 and businesses
00:19:07.900 if Trump imposes
00:19:09.420 his tariffs,
00:19:10.280 sources say.
00:19:10.980 So the federal government
00:19:11.580 is planning a multi-billion-dollar
00:19:13.740 pandemic-style bailout
00:19:15.480 for workers and businesses
00:19:16.700 if U.S. President Donald Trump
00:19:18.080 follows through
00:19:19.100 on this threat
00:19:19.800 to impose a 25% tariff
00:19:21.360 on Canada
00:19:22.280 as early as this weekend.
00:19:25.240 This is shocking to me, Tom,
00:19:27.300 because it's like
00:19:28.580 these liberals
00:19:29.160 don't learn anything, right?
00:19:30.820 Rather than taking a look
00:19:32.340 at the issues
00:19:32.860 that Trump is highlighting
00:19:33.640 very clearly,
00:19:34.900 they go right
00:19:35.620 to this knee-jerk reaction
00:19:36.720 like we'll have
00:19:37.200 a national program,
00:19:38.300 we'll just print more money,
00:19:39.480 borrow more money,
00:19:40.040 exactly what they did
00:19:40.820 during the pandemic.
00:19:41.760 They even had the Globe and Mail
00:19:43.560 use that pandemic-level relief.
00:19:46.400 Like, that's not just
00:19:46.960 a conservative talking point.
00:19:48.380 That's what they're saying,
00:19:49.460 that they want to bring back CERB.
00:19:50.960 They want to start paying people
00:19:52.400 to stay at home
00:19:53.820 if they're economically impacted.
00:19:56.440 Canada's broke.
00:19:57.200 We don't have the money.
00:19:58.080 I mean,
00:19:58.660 we'll show this graph
00:19:59.880 for eight years.
00:20:00.960 Every Canadian now owes
00:20:02.180 $29,253.
00:20:05.440 This is a post
00:20:06.220 from Pierre Polyev.
00:20:07.400 Just look at the debt.
00:20:08.580 Look at our national debt.
00:20:09.940 Look at how it's gone up
00:20:10.960 since Justin Trudeau
00:20:12.160 was elected.
00:20:12.520 It basically doubled
00:20:13.460 during COVID
00:20:14.100 and continues to flail
00:20:15.640 out of control,
00:20:16.860 spiraling.
00:20:19.720 And because of it,
00:20:20.900 we have an absolute crisis
00:20:22.160 of inflation,
00:20:23.340 cost of living,
00:20:24.780 because the government
00:20:25.660 has borrowed so much,
00:20:26.900 printed so much money
00:20:27.820 and flooded the money supply.
00:20:29.200 So it's baffling to me
00:20:30.360 that they would go
00:20:32.140 with this approach.
00:20:33.600 Not surprising.
00:20:34.400 I think that,
00:20:35.340 you know,
00:20:35.860 rather than try to fix
00:20:36.780 our national security
00:20:37.540 or immigration
00:20:38.200 and make a deal with Trump,
00:20:41.020 Trudeau will always go back
00:20:43.200 to some grandos
00:20:44.600 government plan.
00:20:47.260 What did you make
00:20:48.300 of this report
00:20:49.120 and what do you think
00:20:49.800 about this reaction here?
00:20:52.440 Well,
00:20:52.780 a few points.
00:20:53.540 Number one,
00:20:53.920 these clowns don't need
00:20:54.920 much incentive
00:20:55.580 to spend a lot of money.
00:20:58.300 It's kind of a natural
00:20:59.520 response for them.
00:21:02.600 Secondly,
00:21:03.080 it could only be
00:21:05.680 a short-term
00:21:06.560 response,
00:21:08.420 Canada.
00:21:08.780 We can't possibly
00:21:09.500 afford to do this
00:21:10.260 for years.
00:21:12.060 Yes,
00:21:12.520 if you were trying
00:21:13.180 to get over
00:21:13.720 a difficult period
00:21:16.160 of a few months,
00:21:17.540 maybe you could consider
00:21:18.500 something like that,
00:21:19.300 but it can't possibly
00:21:20.980 work in the long run.
00:21:22.940 And third,
00:21:24.660 it may well
00:21:27.500 just be
00:21:27.940 an election
00:21:29.340 thing.
00:21:30.400 the Liberals,
00:21:33.320 like at the moment,
00:21:34.720 they have nothing
00:21:35.480 to run on.
00:21:37.180 You know,
00:21:37.560 they're defending
00:21:38.080 a record,
00:21:38.840 which is a record
00:21:40.080 of failure
00:21:41.420 to a large degree.
00:21:44.060 They're trying
00:21:44.840 to repudiate
00:21:45.600 parts of it,
00:21:47.040 like the capital
00:21:48.060 gains tax
00:21:48.880 and the increase
00:21:49.880 in the capital
00:21:50.340 gains tax
00:21:50.960 and the carbon tax.
00:21:52.660 But this would give
00:21:53.460 them something positive
00:21:54.380 to run on.
00:21:56.100 You know,
00:21:56.500 we're defending
00:21:57.600 Canada
00:21:58.160 we're going
00:22:00.980 to help you.
00:22:02.660 So it appeals
00:22:03.800 to
00:22:04.260 some of the
00:22:06.320 baser instincts
00:22:07.160 of the
00:22:07.820 of the electorate.
00:22:11.020 You know,
00:22:11.240 it's almost jingoistic.
00:22:13.480 This is the way
00:22:14.440 we defend Canada.
00:22:16.880 And,
00:22:17.120 you know,
00:22:18.120 and it appeals
00:22:18.640 to the widespread
00:22:19.300 desire to get
00:22:20.160 something for nothing.
00:22:21.420 Government handing
00:22:22.220 out money.
00:22:23.620 You know,
00:22:23.900 isn't that great?
00:22:24.640 I got a check
00:22:25.220 from the government
00:22:25.820 the other day.
00:22:26.360 I'm not quite sure
00:22:27.040 why.
00:22:28.000 I think maybe
00:22:28.540 it was a carbon tax
00:22:29.420 rebate.
00:22:29.960 But I said,
00:22:31.560 what a great guy,
00:22:32.280 Justin Trudeau.
00:22:32.940 He's always
00:22:33.260 sending me money.
00:22:34.780 So I actually,
00:22:37.240 maybe I'm cynical
00:22:38.060 as a political
00:22:39.440 scientist,
00:22:40.220 ex-campaign manager,
00:22:41.500 but I would see
00:22:42.720 this as primarily
00:22:43.740 an election ploy.
00:22:46.720 Gives me something
00:22:47.300 positive to run on.
00:22:49.200 Yeah,
00:22:49.560 perhaps.
00:22:50.140 You're right.
00:22:50.540 What a sad state
00:22:51.140 of affairs,
00:22:51.700 though,
00:22:51.900 that Canadians,
00:22:53.220 the liberals
00:22:54.080 think that of Canadians
00:22:55.100 and that there's
00:22:55.540 Canadians out there.
00:22:56.360 Who would,
00:22:57.280 you know,
00:22:58.160 happily just
00:22:58.920 be locked down
00:23:00.320 again,
00:23:00.640 essentially,
00:23:01.200 and take money
00:23:01.860 from the government
00:23:02.300 knowing what it did
00:23:03.340 to our economy
00:23:04.200 in the wake of COVID.
00:23:06.420 This is probably
00:23:07.040 the most worrying
00:23:07.740 element of it all.
00:23:08.680 We had NDP leader
00:23:09.740 Jagmeet Singh,
00:23:11.440 just an absolute
00:23:12.420 disgrace here.
00:23:14.220 But he basically
00:23:15.700 indicated that he
00:23:16.900 might be willing
00:23:17.540 to continue to
00:23:18.520 prop up the
00:23:19.260 liberal government
00:23:19.880 to pass this
00:23:21.520 government work
00:23:22.600 relief program.
00:23:24.160 It's just unbelievable
00:23:25.280 that this person
00:23:26.120 holds a balance
00:23:26.620 of power in Canada.
00:23:27.820 Let's play this clip.
00:23:30.280 If Trump follows
00:23:30.840 through on his plan
00:23:31.720 with tariffs,
00:23:32.360 would you keep
00:23:32.800 the liberals
00:23:33.240 in power
00:23:33.880 and allow for
00:23:34.940 the passage
00:23:35.420 of a work
00:23:35.980 relief program
00:23:36.720 before supporting
00:23:37.680 a non-confidence
00:23:38.640 motion?
00:23:40.060 I'll just start
00:23:40.900 off by the fact
00:23:42.160 that I've spoken
00:23:42.800 with a lot of
00:23:43.300 workers who are
00:23:44.380 deeply worried
00:23:45.260 about what the
00:23:46.480 Trump terrorist
00:23:47.000 might mean.
00:23:48.140 They say,
00:23:49.320 you know,
00:23:49.480 sometimes I lay
00:23:50.760 awake at night
00:23:51.300 saying,
00:23:51.520 if that tariff
00:23:52.240 goes through,
00:23:52.660 do I lose my
00:23:53.120 job?
00:23:53.660 And what's
00:23:54.000 going to happen
00:23:54.340 to my kids?
00:23:55.160 What's going
00:23:55.460 to happen
00:23:55.620 to my family?
00:23:56.940 When we think
00:23:57.460 about the analysis
00:23:58.260 that's out there,
00:23:59.060 if those Trump
00:23:59.680 tariffs come in
00:24:00.520 place,
00:24:01.380 there are hundreds
00:24:02.620 and thousands
00:24:03.360 of Canadian
00:24:03.840 jobs at risk.
00:24:05.480 Think about
00:24:06.000 what that means
00:24:06.600 for those workers,
00:24:07.760 hundreds of thousands
00:24:08.420 of workers,
00:24:09.100 for their families,
00:24:10.140 for those communities.
00:24:11.480 This could be
00:24:12.280 devastating for our
00:24:13.380 country.
00:24:14.400 So we do need
00:24:15.800 to have a plan
00:24:16.300 in place to support
00:24:17.340 those that are
00:24:18.320 impacted,
00:24:19.020 those businesses,
00:24:19.880 those workers,
00:24:20.400 most importantly.
00:24:20.940 I have not had
00:24:22.320 any conversations
00:24:23.040 with other
00:24:23.640 opposition leaders.
00:24:24.720 I think we need
00:24:25.380 to come together
00:24:25.900 to have a discussion
00:24:26.500 about what is
00:24:27.100 the best way
00:24:27.440 forward.
00:24:28.120 I've not had
00:24:28.680 any discussions
00:24:29.260 with the government
00:24:29.800 related to this.
00:24:31.840 If there is any
00:24:32.940 desire to move forward,
00:24:34.000 the government
00:24:34.340 should call us
00:24:34.960 together,
00:24:35.740 like we did
00:24:36.260 during COVID,
00:24:37.380 and discuss a plan
00:24:38.580 that supports workers.
00:24:40.540 So he's willing
00:24:41.480 to discuss a plan.
00:24:42.900 He leaves the door
00:24:43.600 wide open there
00:24:44.360 for the idea
00:24:45.100 of further propping
00:24:46.200 up Justin Trudeau
00:24:47.520 and his failed
00:24:47.920 Liberal government.
00:24:48.940 Thomas is so infuriating
00:24:49.980 because we finally
00:24:50.840 heard from him
00:24:52.300 in late December
00:24:53.000 saying enough is enough.
00:24:54.500 We will pull the plug
00:24:55.240 on this government.
00:24:55.860 It doesn't matter.
00:24:56.540 We're done.
00:24:57.540 And then here you have
00:24:58.200 Jagmeet Singh
00:24:58.660 just a month later
00:24:59.740 out there saying,
00:25:00.680 well, we have to have
00:25:01.440 a meeting.
00:25:01.780 We have to talk.
00:25:02.680 I got an email
00:25:03.280 from a Conservative
00:25:04.340 party operative
00:25:05.240 that pointed out
00:25:06.160 to me that this,
00:25:07.460 that Jagmeet Singh
00:25:08.980 and the NDP
00:25:09.440 voted in confidence
00:25:10.800 for the Liberals
00:25:11.800 eight times
00:25:12.700 since he supposedly
00:25:13.820 ripped up his
00:25:14.460 Supply and Confidence
00:25:15.060 agreement
00:25:15.460 in September.
00:25:17.060 He had propped
00:25:17.940 them up 11 times
00:25:18.760 prior to the
00:25:19.500 Supply and Confidence
00:25:20.100 agreement.
00:25:20.740 So a total
00:25:21.360 of 286 times
00:25:24.060 since the 21 election
00:25:25.520 that Jagmeet Singh
00:25:26.660 has propped up
00:25:28.400 the Liberals.
00:25:30.780 You know,
00:25:31.440 the idea that the Liberals
00:25:32.960 have prorogued
00:25:33.440 Parliament as well,
00:25:34.420 like,
00:25:34.840 you should vote
00:25:36.020 on something like this,
00:25:37.140 but we can't vote on it
00:25:38.140 because they prorogued
00:25:38.840 Parliament for seven weeks.
00:25:40.580 So even in the
00:25:42.100 Global Mail story
00:25:42.860 itself,
00:25:43.700 it said that
00:25:44.740 this would require
00:25:46.780 legislative approval
00:25:48.060 and the legislature
00:25:49.120 won't resume
00:25:49.840 until March 24th.
00:25:51.400 So it's supposedly
00:25:52.260 an emergency,
00:25:53.600 yet at the same time
00:25:54.960 they have to prorogued
00:25:55.660 the Parliament
00:25:56.080 to have a leadership
00:25:56.980 race so we can't
00:25:57.920 vote on this.
00:25:58.780 Like,
00:25:59.020 which one is it,
00:25:59.720 right?
00:26:00.080 And then you have
00:26:00.920 NDP leader there
00:26:02.740 just continuing
00:26:04.560 to prop up
00:26:05.200 this shambles,
00:26:06.040 this government
00:26:06.840 in shambles.
00:26:07.880 What do you make
00:26:08.400 of all this,
00:26:08.940 Tom?
00:26:09.000 Yeah.
00:26:09.160 You know,
00:26:09.980 there's one other
00:26:10.520 point I should have
00:26:11.240 made.
00:26:12.120 We actually have
00:26:13.400 a short-term
00:26:15.020 emergency program
00:26:16.360 in place.
00:26:17.020 It's called
00:26:17.340 Employment Insurance.
00:26:19.060 All these workers
00:26:20.180 that Mr. Singh
00:26:21.780 is talking about,
00:26:23.420 they're all covered
00:26:24.740 by Employment Insurance.
00:26:26.120 We have a very
00:26:26.820 generous program.
00:26:28.420 This will,
00:26:30.120 it won't go on
00:26:30.820 for years,
00:26:31.540 but it will cover them,
00:26:32.680 it will give them
00:26:33.180 relief for months,
00:26:35.840 several months,
00:26:36.660 close to a year,
00:26:37.440 depending on how long
00:26:38.520 they've been working.
00:26:39.740 So,
00:26:40.340 there's no need
00:26:41.880 to panic
00:26:42.560 over the condition
00:26:44.440 of workers.
00:26:45.540 I mean,
00:26:45.760 nobody wants
00:26:46.840 to see layoffs.
00:26:48.260 I certainly don't,
00:26:49.160 and it would be sad
00:26:49.920 for those who are
00:26:51.080 laid off,
00:26:51.660 but it's not like
00:26:53.220 they're thrown
00:26:53.600 into a breadline
00:26:54.440 immediately.
00:26:55.320 We have this program
00:26:56.460 in place.
00:26:58.060 So,
00:26:58.700 Employment Insurance,
00:27:00.040 excuse me,
00:27:00.660 gives us time
00:27:01.420 to consider
00:27:02.740 what the actual
00:27:04.640 long-term response
00:27:05.800 should be.
00:27:07.040 So,
00:27:07.300 they're creating
00:27:07.900 a false emergency
00:27:10.460 as an excuse
00:27:11.980 to shovel out
00:27:12.860 a lot of money
00:27:13.500 as an election tactic.
00:27:16.080 And Jagmeet wants
00:27:17.240 to get on the bandwagon
00:27:18.460 here.
00:27:19.600 You know,
00:27:20.200 that's what the NDP
00:27:20.960 does is give away money
00:27:22.760 and wrap up
00:27:24.360 nationalist concerns
00:27:25.360 about the United States.
00:27:26.940 So,
00:27:27.140 it's a perfect thing
00:27:28.340 to,
00:27:29.440 I mean,
00:27:29.800 it's really quite clever
00:27:30.980 when I think about it,
00:27:31.880 to get the NDP
00:27:33.260 back on side
00:27:34.200 and
00:27:35.180 to run a campaign
00:27:37.700 and I promise
00:27:38.280 to give away
00:27:38.820 a lot of money
00:27:39.460 and stop
00:27:42.180 the big bad Americans.
00:27:43.500 So,
00:27:44.200 as a piece
00:27:46.660 of electioneering,
00:27:47.780 it might have legs,
00:27:49.420 you know,
00:27:49.600 we're going to have to see.
00:27:51.220 I just,
00:27:51.720 I can't,
00:27:52.080 I can't understand
00:27:52.760 what's motivating
00:27:53.700 Jagmeet Singh
00:27:54.420 after all of this.
00:27:55.300 I mean,
00:27:55.600 we had
00:27:56.440 an NDP operative
00:27:58.240 come on the show
00:27:58.900 earlier this week
00:28:00.080 to talk about
00:28:00.940 the movement
00:28:01.620 to get rid of Jagmeet Singh
00:28:02.560 or at least
00:28:03.120 to make him
00:28:04.160 force an election
00:28:04.980 because people
00:28:06.320 in the party
00:28:06.720 are so dissatisfied
00:28:07.460 with this continuing
00:28:08.800 propping up
00:28:09.440 of a failed
00:28:09.880 liberal government.
00:28:11.220 You know,
00:28:11.400 the electioneering
00:28:12.780 element
00:28:13.260 would show
00:28:14.540 something that
00:28:15.540 would benefit
00:28:15.960 the liberals
00:28:16.580 in an election,
00:28:17.760 not the NDP.
00:28:18.760 I still don't understand
00:28:19.760 what's motivating him
00:28:21.000 to continue to prop this up
00:28:22.140 other than
00:28:22.600 perhaps he thinks
00:28:23.480 that he's going to
00:28:24.040 lose his job
00:28:24.800 after the election.
00:28:25.780 What do you think?
00:28:26.760 Well,
00:28:27.100 I mean,
00:28:28.080 the cynical thing
00:28:28.780 is he wants to
00:28:30.080 stay in parliament
00:28:31.020 long enough
00:28:31.580 to get the pension.
00:28:33.640 I doubt that's true,
00:28:35.020 but anyway,
00:28:35.860 the cynics say that.
00:28:37.360 But yeah,
00:28:38.500 you're right.
00:28:39.520 Historically,
00:28:40.800 the NDP
00:28:41.520 does better
00:28:42.460 at elections
00:28:44.340 when the liberals
00:28:45.040 do worse
00:28:45.800 and the conservatives
00:28:46.760 do better.
00:28:47.940 The NDP
00:28:48.420 also usually
00:28:49.400 goes up
00:28:50.100 under that set
00:28:51.360 of circumstances.
00:28:52.580 So if he props
00:28:53.720 up the liberals,
00:28:54.380 he may well be
00:28:55.380 undercutting himself.
00:28:58.100 But he's done
00:28:59.180 so many
00:28:59.780 incomprehensible
00:29:01.340 things to me
00:29:02.000 over the years.
00:29:02.800 I just don't know
00:29:04.200 how shrewd
00:29:04.800 a tactician he is,
00:29:06.560 whether he
00:29:07.160 really understands
00:29:09.500 the dynamics here.
00:29:11.900 I just don't think
00:29:13.020 he represents
00:29:13.560 the people
00:29:14.100 in his party anymore.
00:29:15.360 It seems pretty clear
00:29:16.080 to me I'm surprised
00:29:16.720 that they haven't axed him
00:29:17.920 or found a way
00:29:18.580 to have a leadership review
00:29:19.500 because I've heard
00:29:20.160 from a lot of
00:29:21.000 dissatisfied NDP voters.
00:29:22.960 Interestingly,
00:29:23.580 we had
00:29:23.840 Bloc Quebecois leader
00:29:25.080 Yves-France Blanchet
00:29:26.060 come out
00:29:27.180 with the right
00:29:27.600 decision here
00:29:28.500 with the right
00:29:29.120 line.
00:29:30.020 He says that he
00:29:30.660 would absolutely
00:29:31.260 reject
00:29:31.880 government relief
00:29:33.120 program
00:29:33.580 and that he
00:29:35.180 would not
00:29:35.720 support this
00:29:37.000 if there were
00:29:37.560 a vote.
00:29:37.900 So let's play
00:29:38.280 that clip.
00:29:40.100 There's talk
00:29:40.920 today of the
00:29:41.500 government
00:29:41.740 presenting a
00:29:42.540 bailout package
00:29:43.580 for people
00:29:44.340 affected by
00:29:45.440 tariffs,
00:29:46.340 by American
00:29:46.900 tariffs.
00:29:47.520 Would you
00:29:47.780 support the
00:29:48.400 government
00:29:48.640 in the
00:29:48.940 House of Commons
00:29:49.600 if they were
00:29:50.160 to present
00:29:50.420 such a thing?
00:29:50.920 I see no way
00:29:52.100 I would support
00:29:52.780 any astuce
00:29:53.760 of the
00:29:54.600 government.
00:29:55.340 I suggest
00:29:56.120 I believe
00:29:57.660 that the
00:29:58.160 intention
00:29:58.540 would be
00:29:58.980 to create
00:29:59.620 a context
00:30:00.320 in which
00:30:00.880 the government
00:30:01.380 would get
00:30:02.900 one week
00:30:03.460 or two weeks
00:30:04.540 or three weeks
00:30:05.980 and then
00:30:06.960 they remain
00:30:07.620 there longer
00:30:08.680 than supposed
00:30:09.920 through hell
00:30:11.880 in terms
00:30:12.900 of parliamentary
00:30:13.920 work.
00:30:14.860 If the
00:30:15.680 liberals
00:30:16.000 want things
00:30:17.340 to become
00:30:17.920 clear
00:30:18.420 and want
00:30:19.300 to help
00:30:19.820 people
00:30:20.520 they should
00:30:21.700 simply
00:30:22.300 start the
00:30:24.180 election sooner.
00:30:25.820 Nothing
00:30:26.180 prevents Mr.
00:30:27.400 Carney or
00:30:27.940 Mrs. Freeland
00:30:28.780 when this
00:30:29.820 person is
00:30:30.420 selected as
00:30:31.140 the leader
00:30:31.560 of the
00:30:31.920 liberals
00:30:32.260 to say
00:30:33.300 on March
00:30:34.580 10th
00:30:35.080 that we
00:30:36.080 are going
00:30:36.520 into election
00:30:37.200 we have
00:30:38.620 improved the
00:30:39.260 situation
00:30:39.640 by two
00:30:40.200 weeks
00:30:40.620 but I'm
00:30:42.400 not getting
00:30:43.080 into any
00:30:44.000 tricks.
00:30:46.740 So
00:30:47.300 you know
00:30:47.960 he almost
00:30:48.880 said similar
00:30:49.660 to what
00:30:50.000 you said
00:30:50.360 that they're
00:30:50.800 kind of
00:30:51.380 manufacturing
00:30:51.920 an emergency
00:30:52.440 here to
00:30:53.020 just prolong
00:30:53.760 their ability
00:30:54.800 to stay
00:30:55.240 in office.
00:30:56.380 It looks
00:30:56.760 like according
00:30:57.560 to recent
00:30:58.120 polling Tom
00:30:58.960 Abacus
00:30:59.980 had Mark
00:31:00.900 Carney is
00:31:01.940 basically
00:31:02.300 going to
00:31:02.620 run away
00:31:02.960 with this
00:31:03.340 thing that
00:31:04.440 liberal
00:31:04.880 voters
00:31:05.600 see him
00:31:07.540 much more
00:31:07.960 favorably.
00:31:08.640 He's very
00:31:09.280 high in
00:31:10.060 the polls
00:31:10.500 viewing
00:31:12.000 liberal
00:31:13.440 supporters
00:31:13.880 view him
00:31:14.260 64%
00:31:15.220 favorability
00:31:16.220 so it
00:31:17.060 looks like
00:31:17.400 he will
00:31:17.840 be
00:31:18.180 the
00:31:18.700 shoe
00:31:18.880 in.
00:31:19.140 I don't
00:31:19.280 know
00:31:19.500 I've
00:31:19.840 been
00:31:19.960 hearing
00:31:20.260 a lot
00:31:20.760 of
00:31:21.000 conspiratorial
00:31:22.140 thinking
00:31:22.540 about how
00:31:23.860 they could
00:31:24.260 cynically
00:31:24.840 push back
00:31:25.480 the election
00:31:25.920 even further
00:31:26.580 and I would
00:31:27.320 say conspiratorially
00:31:28.060 except for
00:31:28.540 very credible
00:31:29.820 mainstream voices
00:31:30.580 have also been
00:31:31.180 saying it like
00:31:31.760 Sean Speier had
00:31:32.340 a piece
00:31:32.660 in the hub
00:31:33.380 outlining
00:31:33.800 this.
00:31:34.360 Hamish
00:31:34.620 Marshall was
00:31:35.120 on my
00:31:35.460 podcast
00:31:36.000 last week
00:31:36.520 and he
00:31:36.880 outlined
00:31:37.100 this idea
00:31:37.900 that we
00:31:39.000 think that
00:31:39.600 we should
00:31:39.860 have an
00:31:40.100 election
00:31:40.380 in March
00:31:41.420 or April
00:31:42.300 or May
00:31:42.760 because that's
00:31:43.280 what Jagmeet
00:31:43.700 thing said
00:31:44.180 the election
00:31:44.900 deadline
00:31:45.440 isn't until
00:31:46.840 October
00:31:47.560 so you think
00:31:48.200 October could
00:31:49.340 be the latest
00:31:50.000 but that's not
00:31:51.140 actually the case
00:31:51.860 because when you
00:31:52.980 look at the
00:31:53.560 Constitution Act
00:31:54.800 it basically
00:31:56.540 just says that
00:31:57.120 there's no
00:31:57.500 maximum duration
00:31:58.400 of legislative
00:31:59.620 bodies
00:32:00.040 and that
00:32:01.400 the Constitution
00:32:02.440 lays out
00:32:03.160 that the
00:32:03.620 legislature
00:32:04.160 that the
00:32:05.340 election should
00:32:05.940 happen every
00:32:06.760 five years
00:32:07.620 so I've
00:32:09.180 been getting
00:32:09.620 a chain
00:32:11.440 letter
00:32:11.800 forwarded to
00:32:13.100 me a couple
00:32:13.540 of times
00:32:14.020 with somebody
00:32:15.020 really just
00:32:15.540 laying this
00:32:16.080 all out
00:32:16.580 saying that
00:32:18.140 there could
00:32:19.860 be an
00:32:20.060 emergency
00:32:20.460 using emergency
00:32:22.320 powers
00:32:22.820 the government
00:32:23.280 could defer
00:32:24.940 the next
00:32:25.340 election
00:32:25.860 until October
00:32:27.020 2026
00:32:27.860 because under
00:32:28.420 both Section
00:32:29.220 50 of the
00:32:29.680 Constitution Act
00:32:30.380 of 1867
00:32:32.020 and Section
00:32:32.540 4 of the
00:32:33.060 Canadian
00:32:33.300 Charter of
00:32:33.600 Rights and
00:32:33.900 Freedoms
00:32:34.400 say that
00:32:35.920 we could
00:32:36.840 so you know
00:32:37.920 you're a
00:32:38.360 political
00:32:38.540 scientist
00:32:39.140 Tom
00:32:39.960 can you
00:32:41.380 help us
00:32:41.620 make sense
00:32:41.980 of this
00:32:42.160 is it
00:32:42.420 possible
00:32:42.760 do you
00:32:43.180 see a
00:32:43.640 scenario
00:32:43.980 where the
00:32:44.620 liberals
00:32:44.860 could do
00:32:45.300 this
00:32:45.500 and is
00:32:45.800 it legal
00:32:46.140 if they
00:32:46.440 were to
00:32:46.680 try something
00:32:47.120 like this
00:32:47.680 well certainly
00:32:48.800 legal
00:32:49.180 yeah no
00:32:50.100 question that
00:32:50.600 it's legal
00:32:51.000 there would
00:32:53.640 be presumably
00:32:55.300 some political
00:32:55.940 cost to
00:32:57.520 going back
00:32:58.420 on your
00:32:58.840 word
00:32:59.400 so they
00:33:01.520 would be
00:33:02.000 excuse me
00:33:02.900 trying to
00:33:03.800 take a
00:33:04.700 balance there
00:33:05.340 of plus
00:33:06.400 and negative
00:33:07.300 Carney yes
00:33:09.980 he's going
00:33:10.320 to win the
00:33:10.920 liberal
00:33:11.860 leadership
00:33:12.280 race
00:33:12.720 you know
00:33:14.960 this guy
00:33:15.540 he looks
00:33:16.400 right out
00:33:17.260 of central
00:33:17.720 casting
00:33:18.180 as they
00:33:18.660 say
00:33:18.940 when I
00:33:19.740 see a
00:33:20.060 picture of
00:33:20.540 Carney
00:33:20.880 on the
00:33:22.020 front page
00:33:22.740 I almost
00:33:23.800 want to vote
00:33:24.320 for him
00:33:24.900 until I think
00:33:26.600 about what he
00:33:27.140 represents
00:33:27.560 he just looks
00:33:29.240 so much like
00:33:30.160 a prime
00:33:30.520 minister
00:33:30.880 and that's a
00:33:33.280 huge advantage
00:33:33.980 I mean look
00:33:35.260 at look at
00:33:35.640 what Justin
00:33:36.220 Trudeau was
00:33:36.800 able to do
00:33:37.400 with the
00:33:37.680 combination of
00:33:38.440 good looks
00:33:40.240 and a
00:33:40.620 sort of
00:33:41.400 pleasing
00:33:41.760 personality
00:33:42.540 so I
00:33:44.960 you know
00:33:45.260 I take
00:33:45.580 Carney pretty
00:33:46.120 seriously as
00:33:46.840 an opponent
00:33:47.260 and
00:33:48.240 that would
00:33:50.020 his strength
00:33:51.120 would probably
00:33:51.600 increase if he
00:33:52.400 could get
00:33:52.740 more time
00:33:53.500 so I can
00:33:55.440 certainly see
00:33:56.040 why
00:33:56.520 liberal
00:33:58.260 strategists
00:33:58.920 might be
00:33:59.340 thinking about
00:33:59.960 that and
00:34:00.840 if that's
00:34:02.800 the case
00:34:03.220 you could
00:34:03.540 interpret
00:34:03.980 this
00:34:04.480 bailout
00:34:05.680 policy
00:34:06.340 or the
00:34:06.940 COVID
00:34:07.280 pandemic
00:34:08.100 type of
00:34:08.720 bailout
00:34:09.120 as the
00:34:10.660 first step
00:34:11.260 in
00:34:13.140 that kind
00:34:16.140 of tactic
00:34:16.740 that you
00:34:17.160 know they
00:34:17.480 could say
00:34:17.980 okay now
00:34:19.160 we're helping
00:34:19.620 Canadians
00:34:20.140 we have to
00:34:20.920 stay in
00:34:21.220 power to
00:34:21.660 make sure
00:34:22.020 that this
00:34:22.420 help is
00:34:22.860 delivered
00:34:23.300 we're going
00:34:26.320 to go back
00:34:26.800 on the
00:34:27.260 idea of
00:34:28.200 the quick
00:34:28.460 election
00:34:28.820 because
00:34:29.200 conditions
00:34:29.720 have changed
00:34:30.180 so much
00:34:30.660 it's an
00:34:32.000 emergency
00:34:32.300 situation
00:34:33.060 you know
00:34:34.020 it's
00:34:34.380 the lines
00:34:35.080 almost
00:34:35.420 right
00:34:35.680 themselves
00:34:36.060 actually
00:34:36.540 so
00:34:37.460 you know
00:34:38.960 I can
00:34:39.740 see it
00:34:40.080 I don't
00:34:40.820 say it'll
00:34:41.180 happen
00:34:41.480 I'm sort
00:34:41.840 of out
00:34:42.080 of touch
00:34:42.440 with
00:34:42.740 politicians
00:34:43.920 I spent
00:34:45.700 years
00:34:46.020 hanging out
00:34:46.580 with politicians
00:34:47.240 so I
00:34:47.700 sort of
00:34:48.160 know how
00:34:48.460 they think
00:34:48.940 but I'm
00:34:50.380 out of
00:34:50.660 touch
00:34:50.860 now
00:34:51.180 so I
00:34:51.700 don't
00:34:52.140 know
00:34:52.540 whether
00:34:53.420 this will
00:34:53.940 happen
00:34:54.280 but I
00:34:54.700 it strikes
00:34:56.000 me as
00:34:56.560 a plausible
00:34:58.240 tactic
00:34:58.760 that the
00:34:59.220 liberal
00:34:59.560 deep
00:35:00.740 thinkers
00:35:01.080 might be
00:35:01.660 contemplating
00:35:02.380 incredibly
00:35:03.460 cynical
00:35:03.840 bad for
00:35:04.300 the country
00:35:04.800 but you're
00:35:05.940 right
00:35:06.160 that's just
00:35:06.920 the kind
00:35:07.220 of thinking
00:35:07.520 that fuels
00:35:08.380 the liberal
00:35:08.740 party
00:35:09.100 it's interesting
00:35:09.980 because Mark
00:35:10.400 Carney is not
00:35:11.100 a member of
00:35:11.620 parliament
00:35:11.820 he has never
00:35:12.240 been elected
00:35:12.740 he will be
00:35:13.720 selected by
00:35:14.560 the liberals
00:35:15.220 process that
00:35:16.600 has been
00:35:17.120 described as
00:35:17.780 incredibly
00:35:18.280 insecure
00:35:19.080 I mean
00:35:19.460 anyone can
00:35:19.980 join the
00:35:20.280 liberal
00:35:20.440 party
00:35:20.800 I don't
00:35:21.760 think you
00:35:22.080 even have
00:35:22.440 to be
00:35:22.640 a citizen
00:35:23.080 or a
00:35:24.620 resident
00:35:24.880 of Canada
00:35:25.420 to join
00:35:26.200 and you
00:35:27.380 don't have
00:35:27.580 to pay
00:35:27.820 anything
00:35:28.120 so there's
00:35:28.520 no barrier
00:35:29.080 we've
00:35:30.020 covered this
00:35:30.380 on the
00:35:30.540 show before
00:35:30.980 the tremendous
00:35:32.200 instability
00:35:33.380 that that
00:35:33.840 will come
00:35:34.480 interestingly
00:35:34.900 Tom
00:35:35.320 yesterday
00:35:35.740 the government
00:35:36.800 released its
00:35:37.660 foreign
00:35:38.160 interference
00:35:39.020 inquiry
00:35:39.860 the report
00:35:41.480 finding
00:35:42.060 basically found
00:35:42.820 that nobody
00:35:43.240 acted in
00:35:43.840 bad faith
00:35:44.400 and concluded
00:35:45.420 that rather
00:35:47.300 than
00:35:48.260 you know
00:35:49.760 focusing in
00:35:51.480 on the
00:35:51.900 potential
00:35:52.480 adversarial
00:35:53.980 states that
00:35:54.460 are funding
00:35:55.040 senators
00:35:55.780 and MPs
00:35:56.780 right
00:35:56.940 the interim
00:35:57.400 report warned
00:35:58.300 of MPs
00:35:58.820 and senators
00:35:59.280 who had
00:36:00.060 wittingly
00:36:00.580 collaborated
00:36:01.160 with foreign
00:36:01.760 government
00:36:02.180 now
00:36:03.420 basically the
00:36:04.600 report's coming
00:36:04.980 out saying
00:36:05.300 nothing to
00:36:05.660 see here
00:36:06.160 the only
00:36:06.980 thing that
00:36:07.440 the commissioner
00:36:07.980 Hoag found
00:36:08.780 was calling
00:36:09.900 for and
00:36:10.520 this shouldn't
00:36:11.720 be surprising
00:36:12.180 at all
00:36:12.460 a government
00:36:12.920 agency
00:36:13.480 to monitor
00:36:14.500 and regulate
00:36:15.300 online
00:36:15.940 misinformation
00:36:16.860 and disinformation
00:36:18.340 it's like
00:36:19.280 you know
00:36:20.260 that's the
00:36:20.900 solution to
00:36:21.480 everything
00:36:21.820 for these
00:36:22.340 people
00:36:22.640 like let's
00:36:23.140 censor
00:36:23.520 online discussion
00:36:24.620 even more
00:36:25.340 throwing these
00:36:26.560 accusations of
00:36:27.320 misinformation
00:36:27.900 and disinformation
00:36:28.820 words that don't
00:36:29.480 really mean
00:36:29.960 anything anymore
00:36:30.720 I've lost
00:36:32.200 complete faith
00:36:33.100 Tom
00:36:33.500 in these
00:36:34.540 central institutions
00:36:35.440 in the elites
00:36:36.320 that are running
00:36:36.720 our institutions
00:36:37.260 because even
00:36:37.840 alleged outsider
00:36:38.820 like this
00:36:39.560 commissioner
00:36:39.940 Hoag
00:36:40.260 comes to the
00:36:40.940 same conclusion
00:36:41.560 that Justin
00:36:42.000 Trudeau
00:36:42.340 would have
00:36:42.860 come to
00:36:43.280 which is
00:36:43.920 just it's
00:36:44.260 all these
00:36:44.880 like shadowy
00:36:45.800 right-wing
00:36:46.140 forces online
00:36:47.020 and we just
00:36:47.380 need to
00:36:47.740 censor
00:36:48.560 and regulate
00:36:49.060 even more
00:36:49.800 this is a
00:36:51.120 serious issue
00:36:51.680 that we have
00:36:52.200 potential
00:36:52.840 people
00:36:53.980 collaborating
00:36:54.540 with our
00:36:54.840 enemies
00:36:55.160 in our
00:36:55.760 parliament
00:36:56.160 being funded
00:36:56.780 by foreign
00:36:57.820 adversaries
00:36:58.440 representing us
00:36:59.640 I don't
00:37:00.140 understand why
00:37:00.620 they wouldn't
00:37:00.880 name those
00:37:01.260 individuals
00:37:01.640 Tom
00:37:01.980 and I don't
00:37:02.800 understand how
00:37:03.340 you could come
00:37:03.740 to this
00:37:04.000 conclusion by
00:37:04.700 just saying
00:37:05.220 nothing to
00:37:05.820 see here
00:37:06.260 what
00:37:06.720 well again
00:37:09.520 this is an
00:37:10.820 area where
00:37:11.460 I don't
00:37:11.720 have any
00:37:12.320 first-hand
00:37:13.820 knowledge
00:37:14.340 for what
00:37:17.560 it's worth
00:37:18.040 I think
00:37:18.500 that foreign
00:37:20.040 governments
00:37:20.560 particularly
00:37:20.920 China
00:37:21.360 have made
00:37:23.600 an effort
00:37:23.920 to influence
00:37:24.520 nomination
00:37:24.940 contests
00:37:25.580 that's easy
00:37:26.660 to do
00:37:27.060 where your
00:37:27.540 rules are
00:37:28.040 lax
00:37:28.460 as the
00:37:29.520 liberals
00:37:29.820 rules were
00:37:31.160 they've
00:37:33.460 tightened it
00:37:33.800 up a bit
00:37:34.260 I think
00:37:34.940 now you
00:37:35.400 have to
00:37:35.720 be a
00:37:36.020 resident
00:37:36.340 of Canada
00:37:36.900 to join
00:37:37.380 the party
00:37:37.820 but
00:37:40.140 what does
00:37:41.460 that mean
00:37:41.860 and how
00:37:42.440 is that
00:37:42.800 checked
00:37:43.160 within
00:37:43.660 a few
00:37:45.980 weeks
00:37:46.300 in this
00:37:46.580 case
00:37:46.800 it's
00:37:47.080 such a
00:37:47.620 quick
00:37:47.800 election
00:37:48.220 selection
00:37:49.440 process
00:37:50.000 no practical
00:37:51.760 way to
00:37:52.120 check it
00:37:52.880 do we
00:37:55.520 have a
00:37:55.920 Manchurian
00:37:56.600 candidate
00:37:57.100 I don't
00:37:57.840 think so
00:37:58.460 I mean
00:37:59.380 I agree
00:37:59.740 with the
00:38:00.100 commissioner
00:38:00.520 that so
00:38:01.040 far at
00:38:01.700 least
00:38:02.000 this
00:38:03.340 hasn't
00:38:04.040 reached a
00:38:04.560 level
00:38:04.900 where
00:38:06.020 it has
00:38:08.480 produced a
00:38:09.080 serious
00:38:09.380 result
00:38:09.900 for the
00:38:11.360 overall
00:38:11.700 conduct
00:38:12.160 of Canadian
00:38:12.660 politics
00:38:13.120 I think
00:38:13.800 the Chinese
00:38:14.240 clearly have
00:38:14.860 tampered
00:38:15.280 in a few
00:38:17.020 nomination
00:38:18.440 races
00:38:18.840 it's
00:38:22.240 something
00:38:22.480 that could
00:38:22.880 be
00:38:23.120 you know
00:38:23.680 could
00:38:23.900 grow
00:38:24.260 and should
00:38:25.440 be
00:38:25.760 monitored
00:38:26.960 and rules
00:38:27.840 should be
00:38:28.280 tightened
00:38:28.580 up
00:38:28.940 so that
00:38:29.940 it can't
00:38:31.280 grow
00:38:31.580 I think
00:38:34.320 the prime
00:38:34.760 minister
00:38:35.100 came in
00:38:36.060 with a
00:38:36.380 rather
00:38:36.620 benevolent
00:38:37.240 attitude
00:38:37.620 towards
00:38:38.940 China
00:38:39.400 something
00:38:40.040 he inherited
00:38:40.640 from his
00:38:41.060 father
00:38:41.400 that
00:38:42.340 benevolent
00:38:43.420 attitudes
00:38:43.800 towards
00:38:44.240 dictatorships
00:38:45.380 particularly
00:38:45.920 China and
00:38:46.700 Cuba
00:38:47.000 and I
00:38:48.120 think
00:38:48.260 that's
00:38:48.600 much
00:38:48.880 more
00:38:49.080 important
00:38:49.520 than
00:38:50.760 Chinese
00:38:52.400 efforts
00:38:52.800 to
00:38:53.200 put
00:38:54.800 the
00:38:54.940 thumb
00:38:55.120 on
00:38:55.240 the
00:38:55.380 scales
00:38:55.760 in
00:38:56.760 choosing
00:38:57.060 a few
00:38:57.800 backbenchers
00:38:58.520 because
00:38:58.960 you know
00:38:59.920 backbenchers
00:39:00.480 actually
00:39:00.820 aren't that
00:39:01.240 important
00:39:01.700 in the
00:39:03.040 overall
00:39:03.360 scheme
00:39:03.760 of
00:39:03.940 things
00:39:04.200 so
00:39:05.320 it's
00:39:08.360 not an
00:39:09.040 issue
00:39:09.340 that had
00:39:09.820 me
00:39:10.180 losing
00:39:11.440 sleep
00:39:11.880 I mean
00:39:12.180 something
00:39:12.500 that should
00:39:12.900 be dealt
00:39:13.260 with
00:39:13.480 but
00:39:13.720 I
00:39:14.840 don't
00:39:15.340 see it
00:39:15.640 as
00:39:15.780 extremely
00:39:16.680 important
00:39:18.160 in the
00:39:18.480 overall
00:39:18.800 scheme
00:39:19.160 of
00:39:19.340 things
00:39:19.620 setting
00:39:21.920 up
00:39:22.140 a
00:39:22.240 new
00:39:22.380 agency
00:39:22.960 I
00:39:24.740 don't
00:39:24.920 see
00:39:25.080 the
00:39:25.220 point
00:39:25.460 of
00:39:25.620 that
00:39:25.880 the
00:39:26.100 main
00:39:27.720 thing
00:39:27.980 that
00:39:28.320 the
00:39:28.500 Chinese
00:39:28.800 would
00:39:29.100 do
00:39:29.300 would
00:39:29.520 be
00:39:29.740 to
00:39:30.880 influence
00:39:32.340 nomination
00:39:33.880 races
00:39:34.280 by
00:39:34.540 mobilizing
00:39:35.140 people
00:39:35.600 and
00:39:36.800 you're
00:39:36.980 not
00:39:37.120 going
00:39:37.240 to
00:39:37.360 control
00:39:38.500 that
00:39:38.880 with
00:39:39.200 a
00:39:40.180 new
00:39:40.380 agency
00:39:40.860 to
00:39:41.160 monitor
00:39:41.640 the
00:39:41.960 internet
00:39:42.300 so
00:39:44.940 the
00:39:45.100 response
00:39:45.660 doesn't
00:39:46.880 seem
00:39:47.080 to be
00:39:47.380 that part
00:39:48.360 of the
00:39:48.540 response
00:39:48.960 anyway
00:39:49.320 doesn't
00:39:50.380 seem
00:39:50.680 to me
00:39:50.980 to be
00:39:51.280 called
00:39:51.620 for
00:39:51.900 just
00:39:52.180 as
00:39:52.400 more
00:39:52.960 government
00:39:53.360 jobs
00:39:53.860 so
00:39:55.460 it's
00:39:55.680 a
00:39:55.760 mixed
00:39:55.920 bag
00:39:56.260 but
00:39:57.320 again
00:39:57.800 I
00:39:57.960 say
00:39:58.080 it's
00:39:58.220 not
00:39:58.420 something
00:39:58.780 that
00:39:59.060 has
00:39:59.280 had
00:39:59.520 me
00:39:59.720 particularly
00:40:00.300 concerned
00:40:01.860 I think
00:40:02.920 the
00:40:03.080 opposition
00:40:03.540 played
00:40:04.000 it up
00:40:04.420 as part
00:40:05.260 of their
00:40:05.480 job
00:40:05.860 to try
00:40:06.220 and
00:40:06.340 embarrass
00:40:06.680 the
00:40:06.900 government
00:40:07.220 and
00:40:07.520 the
00:40:08.140 opposition
00:40:08.500 played
00:40:08.920 it
00:40:09.080 up
00:40:09.340 but
00:40:10.380 I'm
00:40:12.700 not
00:40:13.160 overly
00:40:13.660 concerned
00:40:14.220 about
00:40:14.640 it
00:40:14.920 much
00:40:16.700 more
00:40:16.940 concerned
00:40:17.300 about
00:40:17.560 a lot
00:40:17.900 of
00:40:18.000 other
00:40:18.180 things
00:40:18.500 put it
00:40:18.920 that
00:40:19.060 way
00:40:19.220 fair
00:40:20.000 enough
00:40:20.260 I do
00:40:20.580 think
00:40:20.740 that
00:40:20.860 there's
00:40:21.100 a level
00:40:21.700 of
00:40:21.880 irony
00:40:22.160 that
00:40:22.360 the
00:40:22.500 people
00:40:22.840 who
00:40:23.100 are
00:40:23.320 complaining
00:40:23.960 loudest
00:40:24.780 about
00:40:25.560 Donald
00:40:26.600 Trump
00:40:27.020 and
00:40:27.560 the
00:40:28.060 51st
00:40:28.600 state
00:40:28.740 comments
00:40:29.220 and
00:40:29.460 calling
00:40:29.760 people
00:40:30.060 like
00:40:30.300 Danielle
00:40:30.600 Smith
00:40:30.980 or
00:40:31.160 Jordan
00:40:31.420 Peterson
00:40:31.820 or
00:40:32.100 Kevin O'Leary
00:40:32.540 calling them
00:40:32.900 traitors
00:40:33.320 for trying
00:40:35.420 to have
00:40:35.740 a relationship
00:40:36.320 with our
00:40:36.740 closest friend
00:40:37.200 and ally
00:40:37.560 are the
00:40:38.440 same
00:40:38.580 kind
00:40:38.740 of
00:40:38.820 people
00:40:39.080 who
00:40:39.760 bury
00:40:40.860 their head
00:40:41.120 in the
00:40:41.320 sand
00:40:41.480 when it
00:40:41.700 comes
00:40:41.940 to
00:40:42.280 China
00:40:43.200 and
00:40:43.580 Iran
00:40:43.880 and
00:40:44.740 other
00:40:44.980 adversarial
00:40:45.460 states
00:40:45.820 actively
00:40:47.060 mobilizing
00:40:48.220 in Canada
00:40:49.240 I'll leave
00:40:49.440 it at that
00:40:49.700 one more
00:40:50.160 story
00:40:50.420 I want to
00:40:50.660 talk to
00:40:50.880 you
00:40:50.940 political
00:40:51.140 story
00:40:51.440 and then
00:40:51.660 we can
00:40:51.940 move on
00:40:52.480 to the
00:40:52.660 documentary
00:40:53.040 Tom
00:40:53.360 this is
00:40:54.160 with
00:40:54.320 Justin
00:40:54.600 Trudeau
00:40:54.940 so
00:40:55.120 there's
00:40:55.360 a
00:40:55.520 story
00:40:55.860 coming
00:40:56.800 out
00:40:56.940 saying
00:40:57.120 that
00:40:57.320 Justin
00:40:57.560 Trudeau
00:40:57.800 is
00:40:58.060 going
00:40:58.300 to
00:40:58.540 fill
00:40:58.940 the
00:40:59.140 remaining
00:40:59.500 Senate
00:40:59.940 vacancies
00:41:00.980 before
00:41:01.380 he
00:41:01.580 steps
00:41:01.760 down
00:41:01.940 so
00:41:02.080 he
00:41:02.200 said
00:41:02.340 he's
00:41:02.480 resigning
00:41:02.920 except
00:41:03.920 for
00:41:04.080 he's
00:41:04.160 not
00:41:04.260 resigning
00:41:04.740 and
00:41:04.900 he's
00:41:05.040 going
00:41:11.940 he
00:41:12.140 will
00:41:12.640 fill
00:41:13.040 those
00:41:13.640 basically
00:41:15.920 allowing
00:41:16.780 someone
00:41:17.220 to have
00:41:17.720 an
00:41:18.680 unelected
00:41:19.300 job
00:41:19.640 as a
00:41:19.900 legislature
00:41:20.300 until
00:41:20.640 the age
00:41:21.040 of 75
00:41:21.620 so
00:41:21.920 quite
00:41:22.260 a good
00:41:23.200 gig
00:41:23.560 here
00:41:23.980 True
00:41:24.720 North
00:41:24.940 is
00:41:25.080 reporting
00:41:25.460 that
00:41:25.660 the
00:41:25.780 Conservative
00:41:26.020 Party
00:41:26.420 of
00:41:26.580 Canada
00:41:26.920 is
00:41:27.680 calling
00:41:28.080 on
00:41:28.480 Liberal
00:41:28.840 leadership
00:41:29.220 candidates
00:41:29.620 to
00:41:29.840 oppose
00:41:30.400 Justin
00:41:30.880 Trudeau's
00:41:31.360 alleged
00:41:31.860 plan
00:41:32.300 to
00:41:32.820 stack
00:41:33.280 the
00:41:33.480 Senate
00:41:34.400 with
00:41:34.920 Liberal
00:41:35.340 Partisans
00:41:36.160 shortly
00:41:36.900 before
00:41:37.480 his
00:41:38.320 resignation
00:41:39.260 well
00:41:39.540 we
00:41:39.660 decided
00:41:39.980 to
00:41:40.140 have
00:41:40.360 some
00:41:40.860 fun
00:41:41.240 with
00:41:41.420 that
00:41:41.560 here
00:41:41.700 at the
00:41:41.860 Candace
00:41:42.100 Malcolm
00:41:42.360 show
00:41:42.700 we
00:41:43.400 have
00:41:43.560 put
00:41:43.700 together
00:41:43.940 a
00:41:44.080 new
00:41:44.200 petition
00:41:44.640 that
00:41:45.440 viewers
00:41:45.900 can
00:41:46.360 head
00:41:47.060 on
00:41:47.180 over
00:41:47.300 to
00:41:47.380 my
00:41:47.460 website
00:41:47.760 Candace
00:41:48.140 Malcolm
00:41:48.360 dot com
00:41:48.880 and
00:41:49.640 they
00:41:49.840 can
00:41:50.020 help
00:41:50.320 guess
00:41:50.980 or
00:41:51.260 predict
00:41:51.700 who
00:41:51.980 they
00:41:52.160 think
00:41:52.600 Trudeau's
00:41:53.440 Senate
00:41:53.840 appointments
00:41:54.440 will
00:41:55.080 be
00:41:55.400 so
00:41:55.560 head
00:41:55.680 on
00:41:55.780 over
00:41:55.920 to
00:41:56.080 Candace
00:41:56.360 Malcolm
00:41:56.660 dot com
00:41:57.440 for
00:41:58.120 this
00:41:58.660 10
00:41:59.800 influential
00:42:00.260 highly
00:42:00.580 paid
00:42:01.080 senators
00:42:02.100 to
00:42:02.780 friends
00:42:03.120 of
00:42:03.260 Justin
00:42:03.520 Trudeau
00:42:03.800 so
00:42:03.960 we
00:42:04.080 came
00:42:04.280 up
00:42:04.480 with
00:42:04.920 a
00:42:05.080 list
00:42:05.380 of
00:42:05.620 some
00:42:05.820 of
00:42:05.920 the
00:42:05.980 people
00:42:06.200 that
00:42:06.340 we
00:42:06.480 might
00:42:06.780 think
00:42:07.140 you
00:42:08.100 know
00:42:08.220 it
00:42:08.340 could
00:42:08.440 be
00:42:08.560 Jagmeet
00:42:08.860 Singh
00:42:09.160 could
00:42:09.540 be
00:42:09.660 Rosemary
00:42:10.080 Barton
00:42:10.340 of
00:42:10.440 the
00:42:10.520 CBC
00:42:10.800 maybe
00:42:11.300 Gerald
00:42:11.840 Butz
00:42:12.340 or
00:42:13.140 any
00:42:13.340 number
00:42:13.600 of
00:42:13.780 other
00:42:13.980 journalists
00:42:14.620 and
00:42:15.200 insiders
00:42:15.840 so
00:42:17.620 head
00:42:17.820 on
00:42:17.940 over
00:42:18.140 let
00:42:18.400 us
00:42:18.520 know
00:42:18.660 who
00:42:18.820 you
00:42:18.960 think
00:42:19.260 he
00:42:19.600 will
00:42:19.800 select
00:42:20.180 you
00:42:20.320 can
00:42:20.440 also
00:42:20.640 add
00:42:20.940 your
00:42:21.100 own
00:42:21.380 because
00:42:21.640 we
00:42:21.800 don't
00:42:22.100 we
00:42:22.840 didn't
00:42:23.340 include
00:42:23.620 everyone
00:42:23.940 we
00:42:24.140 just
00:42:24.300 included
00:42:24.680 the
00:42:25.000 sort
00:42:25.300 of
00:42:25.800 usual
00:42:26.360 suspects
00:42:26.760 that
00:42:27.180 we
00:42:27.700 think
00:42:28.060 he
00:42:28.160 might
00:42:28.320 pick
00:42:28.600 so
00:42:29.060 head
00:42:36.200 well
00:42:38.820 yeah
00:42:39.020 it's
00:42:39.280 naked
00:42:39.640 partisan
00:42:40.900 politics
00:42:41.280 he
00:42:41.600 may
00:42:41.780 not
00:42:41.980 appoint
00:42:42.380 partisan
00:42:43.220 liberals
00:42:43.700 I
00:42:43.880 mean
00:42:43.960 he
00:42:44.340 hasn't
00:42:44.780 up to
00:42:45.020 this
00:42:45.220 point
00:42:45.540 he
00:42:46.040 has
00:42:46.260 appointed
00:42:46.680 people
00:42:47.140 whose
00:42:47.920 thinking
00:42:48.360 is in
00:42:48.900 line
00:42:49.240 with
00:42:49.940 liberal
00:42:50.240 policy
00:42:50.740 but
00:42:50.940 they
00:42:51.080 don't
00:42:51.440 have
00:42:51.620 a
00:42:51.740 history
00:42:52.060 most
00:42:52.380 of
00:42:52.520 them
00:42:53.020 as
00:42:53.460 active
00:42:54.340 partisan
00:42:54.760 liberals
00:42:55.180 so
00:42:55.480 I
00:42:56.120 don't
00:42:56.200 know
00:42:56.340 anyway
00:42:56.800 I
00:42:57.060 would
00:42:57.520 say
00:42:57.800 if I
00:42:58.540 could
00:42:58.680 contribute
00:42:59.020 to
00:42:59.220 the
00:42:59.340 list
00:42:59.540 I
00:42:59.700 would
00:42:59.860 put
00:43:00.180 Jerry
00:43:01.020 Butz
00:43:01.340 and
00:43:01.500 Katie
00:43:01.720 Telford
00:43:02.200 at
00:43:02.880 the
00:43:03.020 top
00:43:03.320 they've
00:43:03.620 been
00:43:03.780 loyal
00:43:04.140 soldiers
00:43:05.300 deserve
00:43:08.120 a
00:43:08.480 reward
00:43:08.920 but
00:43:09.220 who's
00:43:10.260 to
00:43:10.380 say
00:43:10.600 my
00:43:14.960 recollection
00:43:15.620 is that
00:43:16.400 Stephen
00:43:16.880 Harper
00:43:17.180 did
00:43:17.480 not
00:43:17.900 fill
00:43:18.840 the
00:43:19.080 Senate
00:43:19.360 on
00:43:20.760 the
00:43:20.880 way
00:43:21.080 out
00:43:21.380 and
00:43:22.680 he
00:43:23.360 absorbed
00:43:23.820 a lot
00:43:24.160 of
00:43:24.300 criticism
00:43:24.740 internally
00:43:26.720 from
00:43:27.100 conservatives
00:43:27.580 I'm
00:43:27.820 not
00:43:27.960 sure
00:43:28.140 how
00:43:28.300 many
00:43:28.500 went
00:43:28.780 public
00:43:29.500 with
00:43:29.820 criticism
00:43:30.560 but
00:43:31.340 a lot
00:43:31.700 of
00:43:31.840 conservatives
00:43:32.320 were
00:43:32.640 very
00:43:32.920 disappointed
00:43:33.500 that
00:43:34.500 Stephen
00:43:34.860 didn't
00:43:35.300 fill
00:43:35.540 up
00:43:35.740 the
00:43:35.960 Senate
00:43:36.200 so
00:43:37.480 now
00:43:38.840 the
00:43:39.000 conservatives
00:43:39.380 want
00:43:39.740 to
00:43:39.880 stop
00:43:40.320 Justin
00:43:41.300 from
00:43:41.580 filling
00:43:41.860 up
00:43:42.100 the
00:43:42.280 Senate
00:43:42.540 whether
00:43:44.080 he
00:43:44.300 does
00:43:44.560 that
00:43:44.800 or
00:43:44.940 not
00:43:45.320 a
00:43:46.080 new
00:43:46.500 conservative
00:43:47.000 government
00:43:47.560 will
00:43:48.620 have
00:43:49.180 I
00:43:49.500 think
00:43:49.700 a
00:43:49.880 problem
00:43:50.240 dealing
00:43:51.460 with
00:43:51.700 the
00:43:51.920 Senate
00:43:52.180 and
00:43:52.360 it's
00:43:52.580 probably
00:43:53.680 more
00:43:53.980 difficult
00:43:54.480 than
00:43:55.440 dealing
00:43:55.920 with
00:43:56.180 a
00:43:56.860 Senate
00:43:57.180 which
00:43:57.440 is
00:43:57.600 composed
00:43:58.020 of
00:43:58.260 political
00:43:58.620 hacks
00:43:59.120 you
00:43:59.860 know
00:43:59.960 when
00:44:00.120 the
00:44:00.280 Senate
00:44:00.500 was
00:44:00.800 obviously
00:44:01.840 political
00:44:02.420 appointments
00:44:03.000 everybody
00:44:03.940 knew
00:44:04.240 how
00:44:04.420 the
00:44:04.580 game
00:44:04.800 is
00:44:04.940 played
00:44:05.300 and
00:44:06.280 when
00:44:06.600 the
00:44:06.740 conservatives
00:44:07.080 were
00:44:07.320 in
00:44:07.480 power
00:44:07.860 the
00:44:08.520 liberals
00:44:08.820 would
00:44:09.100 go
00:44:09.320 along
00:44:09.940 with
00:44:10.900 legislation
00:44:11.520 unless
00:44:12.080 there
00:44:12.320 had
00:44:12.520 been
00:44:12.740 a
00:44:12.960 major
00:44:13.700 decision
00:44:14.200 to
00:44:14.460 try
00:44:14.720 and
00:44:14.900 bring
00:44:15.100 down
00:44:15.300 the
00:44:15.440 government
00:44:15.740 you know
00:44:16.020 but
00:44:18.300 now
00:44:18.680 the
00:44:18.920 Senate
00:44:19.180 is
00:44:19.400 largely
00:44:19.800 composed
00:44:20.540 of
00:44:21.020 sort
00:44:23.180 of
00:44:23.420 free
00:44:23.660 thinking
00:44:23.920 people
00:44:24.520 that
00:44:25.700 aren't
00:44:26.220 totally
00:44:26.980 aligned
00:44:27.480 with
00:44:27.980 parties
00:44:29.640 I mean
00:44:29.940 there are
00:44:30.240 a few
00:44:30.600 political
00:44:31.460 appointments
00:44:31.880 left
00:44:32.240 but
00:44:32.520 most
00:44:33.420 of
00:44:33.600 them
00:44:33.880 see
00:44:35.060 themselves
00:44:35.640 as
00:44:36.400 independent
00:44:37.520 so
00:44:38.640 they
00:44:38.860 might
00:44:39.080 be
00:44:39.240 much
00:44:39.460 harder
00:44:39.780 for
00:44:40.020 a
00:44:40.180 conservative
00:44:40.520 government
00:44:41.000 to deal
00:44:41.420 with
00:44:41.720 I mean
00:44:42.660 I'd
00:44:42.960 rather
00:44:43.200 make a
00:44:44.060 deal
00:44:44.220 with
00:44:44.400 a bunch
00:44:44.680 of
00:44:44.820 liberal
00:44:45.200 acts
00:44:46.180 because
00:44:46.580 we
00:44:46.720 could
00:44:46.820 all
00:44:47.000 speak
00:44:47.220 the
00:44:47.400 same
00:44:47.560 language
00:44:48.040 rather
00:44:49.080 than
00:44:49.380 dealing
00:44:49.720 with
00:44:50.180 a
00:44:51.280 bunch
00:44:51.560 of
00:44:51.720 free
00:44:52.000 thinking
00:44:52.480 progressive
00:44:53.200 ideologues
00:44:54.720 who
00:44:54.880 don't
00:44:55.560 feel
00:44:56.000 any
00:44:56.760 obligation
00:44:57.380 to
00:44:57.780 keep
00:44:58.340 the
00:44:58.540 wheels
00:44:58.840 of
00:44:59.020 government
00:44:59.320 turning
00:44:59.680 over
00:45:00.140 so
00:45:01.240 yeah
00:45:02.120 fair enough
00:45:02.680 I mean
00:45:02.920 it seems
00:45:03.320 to be
00:45:03.580 like
00:45:03.700 such
00:45:03.880 an
00:45:04.000 arcane
00:45:04.360 system
00:45:04.720 and
00:45:04.920 this
00:45:05.120 just
00:45:05.420 shows
00:45:05.820 another
00:45:06.280 one
00:45:06.480 of
00:45:06.580 our
00:45:06.680 institutions
00:45:07.140 that's
00:45:07.780 failed
00:45:08.100 and
00:45:08.280 broken
00:45:08.560 that
00:45:08.760 probably
00:45:09.000 needs
00:45:09.220 to
00:45:09.360 be
00:45:09.660 updated
00:45:10.520 Tom
00:45:11.600 I brought
00:45:11.840 you on
00:45:12.040 because I
00:45:12.240 really wanted
00:45:12.660 to talk
00:45:13.000 to you
00:45:13.180 about
00:45:13.380 this
00:45:13.640 documentary
00:45:14.340 on
00:45:14.840 residential
00:45:15.320 schools
00:45:15.780 so
00:45:16.160 viewers
00:45:16.880 know
00:45:17.160 that
00:45:17.440 True North
00:45:18.380 published
00:45:18.960 Tom Flanagan's
00:45:19.880 recent book
00:45:20.440 Grave Error
00:45:21.500 How the Media
00:45:22.580 is Misleading Us
00:45:23.340 on the Unmarked Graves
00:45:24.440 in Residential Schools
00:45:25.400 excellent book
00:45:26.340 I recommend
00:45:26.640 everyone reading it
00:45:27.420 caused quite the stir
00:45:28.360 in the Canadian
00:45:28.880 media landscape
00:45:29.560 I think that
00:45:30.360 we had
00:45:31.500 quite a few
00:45:32.200 angry
00:45:32.700 sort of
00:45:33.340 criticisms
00:45:34.100 of the book
00:45:34.800 and it really
00:45:35.140 helped
00:45:35.420 with our
00:45:36.060 sales
00:45:36.540 particularly
00:45:37.700 with
00:45:38.620 the boycott
00:45:39.020 that happened
00:45:39.440 up in
00:45:40.480 Cornell
00:45:40.780 British Columbia
00:45:41.480 Tom
00:45:41.860 so
00:45:43.140 the documentary
00:45:44.700 which was released
00:45:46.440 explores the
00:45:48.640 legacy of
00:45:49.260 residential schools
00:45:49.960 in Canada
00:45:50.460 and on
00:45:51.620 January 23rd
00:45:52.520 we learned
00:45:52.800 that it was
00:45:53.220 nominated
00:45:53.860 for an
00:45:54.620 Academy Award
00:45:56.120 now this film
00:45:57.160 is not a drama
00:45:57.800 it's a documentary
00:45:58.760 which is supposed
00:45:59.620 to be based
00:46:00.120 on facts
00:46:00.760 and truth
00:46:01.520 unfortunately
00:46:02.760 much like
00:46:03.840 the story
00:46:05.300 of the Unmarked
00:46:05.760 Graves
00:46:06.100 which many
00:46:07.000 now believe
00:46:07.680 has been
00:46:08.680 exposed
00:46:09.020 to be a
00:46:09.400 hoax
00:46:09.740 unfortunately
00:46:10.660 this documentary
00:46:11.700 seems to
00:46:12.340 run fast
00:46:13.060 and loose
00:46:13.420 with the facts
00:46:14.100 so first
00:46:15.000 let's just
00:46:15.600 show the
00:46:16.380 trailer
00:46:17.160 for this
00:46:17.840 documentary
00:46:18.380 I felt dirty
00:46:21.720 as Indian
00:46:22.340 all my life
00:46:23.580 in residential school
00:46:25.080 look at that
00:46:26.780 it's all names
00:46:28.600 when you're brought
00:46:30.620 up in an institution
00:46:31.580 like the Catholic
00:46:32.640 Church
00:46:33.120 you have strict rules
00:46:35.120 and you went
00:46:35.940 with their ethics
00:46:36.880 I've been
00:46:40.980 trying to find out
00:46:42.020 what happened
00:46:42.760 at St.
00:46:43.420 Joseph's Mission
00:46:44.120 everything was so
00:46:48.060 secretive
00:46:49.620 my dad was born
00:46:52.760 there
00:46:53.140 how did it happen
00:46:57.180 it's not something
00:46:59.200 that you want to
00:47:00.340 open up
00:47:01.040 you know
00:47:01.360 it just keeps
00:47:02.500 on damaging
00:47:03.400 for decades
00:47:07.240 there were reports
00:47:08.120 of neglect
00:47:08.760 children dying
00:47:09.680 or disappearing
00:47:10.340 from this facility
00:47:11.300 two girls drowned
00:47:13.980 priests
00:47:14.680 moved around
00:47:15.580 why are they dying
00:47:16.940 did they think
00:47:17.920 we'd be stupid
00:47:18.660 all of our lives
00:47:20.140 the rest of our lives
00:47:21.320 and nobody would
00:47:22.100 ever find out
00:47:22.880 these things
00:47:23.620 beautifully produced film
00:47:26.360 very high quality
00:47:27.840 very compelling story
00:47:29.840 the way that it's narrated
00:47:30.880 and the way that it looks
00:47:32.020 the film was reportedly
00:47:34.940 sold to the National Geographic
00:47:37.040 for seven figures
00:47:38.760 so the people
00:47:39.580 who produced this money
00:47:40.160 made quite a bit of money
00:47:40.900 the people who produced this film
00:47:42.960 have made quite a bit of money
00:47:43.840 off of it
00:47:44.400 and it will be widely viewed
00:47:45.960 my concern Tom
00:47:47.640 is that it's not based
00:47:48.620 on actual facts
00:47:49.900 can you tell us a little bit
00:47:51.680 about this documentary
00:47:52.420 and what you found
00:47:53.140 yeah it's
00:47:54.500 it's on a par
00:47:55.880 with the Kamloops
00:47:56.780 hoax actually
00:47:58.020 I'll mention
00:48:00.200 just a few things
00:48:00.840 there's
00:48:01.740 we have
00:48:03.340 we're going to have
00:48:04.100 maybe
00:48:04.300 I'm not sure
00:48:04.780 whether it's up yet today
00:48:05.740 but
00:48:05.960 we're going to have
00:48:07.600 a detailed
00:48:08.400 factual critique
00:48:10.120 of the film
00:48:10.860 on the website
00:48:12.780 of the
00:48:13.500 Indian Research
00:48:14.860 School
00:48:15.200 Research Group
00:48:16.240 which is easily
00:48:17.480 available online
00:48:18.480 so anybody who's interested
00:48:19.720 can read
00:48:21.000 all the details
00:48:22.000 there
00:48:22.220 there's so many
00:48:22.820 that I can't possibly
00:48:23.800 bring them up
00:48:24.980 in our conversation
00:48:26.240 but
00:48:27.200 just a few things
00:48:29.140 in the way
00:48:31.420 that it's produced
00:48:32.280 the film
00:48:33.980 cuts back and forth
00:48:35.360 between different
00:48:36.280 people and places
00:48:37.560 without identifying them
00:48:38.880 so
00:48:39.760 many things
00:48:41.160 that are said
00:48:41.780 actually
00:48:42.460 refer to events
00:48:44.260 that took place
00:48:45.060 on
00:48:45.520 other reserves
00:48:47.440 it's supposed
00:48:48.020 there's supposed to be
00:48:48.300 a focus
00:48:48.880 on the Sugar Cane Reserve
00:48:50.940 which is one
00:48:52.600 near
00:48:53.280 Williams Lake
00:48:55.000 British Columbia
00:48:56.360 but
00:48:57.180 they bring in
00:48:58.140 like the children
00:48:59.120 drowning in the trailer
00:49:00.360 that didn't happen
00:49:01.520 at the
00:49:01.780 that's at another reserve
00:49:03.320 far away
00:49:03.920 in British Columbia
00:49:05.220 it has nothing to do
00:49:05.920 with Williams Lake
00:49:06.680 secondly
00:49:08.240 one of the main
00:49:09.660 storylines
00:49:10.500 is about the birth
00:49:11.840 of
00:49:12.460 Ed Noiskat
00:49:14.960 the father
00:49:15.740 the film
00:49:17.020 the film
00:49:17.660 I don't know
00:49:19.840 producer is the right word
00:49:21.140 but the
00:49:21.660 the right
00:49:22.660 the little
00:49:23.380 the main voice
00:49:24.160 is Julian Noiskat
00:49:25.440 his son
00:49:26.100 and
00:49:29.500 they're pursuing
00:49:30.980 the story
00:49:31.440 of how
00:49:32.020 Ed Noiskat
00:49:33.640 was
00:49:34.000 was born
00:49:34.880 well there actually
00:49:36.340 is no mystery
00:49:37.120 to this
00:49:37.620 this was reported
00:49:38.560 in the
00:49:40.040 Williams Lake Press
00:49:41.100 at the time
00:49:41.640 that it happened
00:49:42.380 that
00:49:43.640 Ed's mother
00:49:45.920 who at the time
00:49:47.460 was 20 years old
00:49:48.700 and
00:49:49.720 was not a student
00:49:50.980 at the
00:49:51.900 residential school
00:49:53.960 she had been
00:49:54.700 years earlier
00:49:55.440 but she wasn't
00:49:56.580 now
00:49:57.020 she delivered
00:49:59.780 the baby
00:50:00.200 in her car
00:50:00.900 while she was
00:50:01.540 driving past
00:50:02.720 going
00:50:04.160 I think
00:50:04.820 from one reserve
00:50:05.480 to another
00:50:05.920 and
00:50:07.100 she may have
00:50:08.920 thought the baby
00:50:09.520 was still born
00:50:10.340 that that's not
00:50:11.000 clear
00:50:11.340 but in any case
00:50:12.580 she placed
00:50:13.200 the baby
00:50:13.740 in
00:50:14.780 an incinerator
00:50:16.620 where
00:50:18.900 garbage was burned
00:50:20.000 outside the mission
00:50:20.900 and then she
00:50:21.920 drove away
00:50:22.660 and the baby
00:50:24.240 was discovered
00:50:24.860 a few hours
00:50:25.460 later
00:50:25.840 by
00:50:26.240 the dairy
00:50:27.500 man
00:50:27.960 who supplied
00:50:29.800 the school
00:50:30.380 with milk
00:50:30.840 he heard
00:50:32.220 a crying
00:50:33.060 sound
00:50:33.460 and he
00:50:33.820 went and
00:50:34.420 got the baby
00:50:34.960 and
00:50:35.220 they
00:50:36.120 the people
00:50:37.440 at the school
00:50:38.080 saved the baby
00:50:38.880 and
00:50:39.200 the mother
00:50:41.240 was sentenced
00:50:41.760 to jail
00:50:42.260 for a year
00:50:42.780 for
00:50:43.100 whatever exactly
00:50:45.000 the definition
00:50:45.760 of the crime
00:50:46.180 is
00:50:46.380 and
00:50:47.200 then she
00:50:48.420 got the baby
00:50:49.060 back
00:50:49.440 and
00:50:49.700 raised it
00:50:50.620 now the
00:50:51.420 documentary
00:50:52.980 tries to
00:50:53.780 make you
00:50:54.720 believe
00:50:55.360 that the baby
00:50:57.120 was born
00:50:58.000 at the mission
00:50:59.640 or excuse me
00:51:00.460 at the school
00:51:01.240 and in fact
00:51:02.580 Ed Noyscat
00:51:04.220 says at one point
00:51:05.520 I was born
00:51:06.200 on the second
00:51:06.800 floor
00:51:07.260 of the
00:51:08.720 school
00:51:09.920 but there's
00:51:10.740 absolutely no
00:51:11.280 evidence for that
00:51:12.080 and there's
00:51:12.440 a ton
00:51:13.580 of evidence
00:51:14.040 that the
00:51:15.260 father
00:51:15.700 of the baby
00:51:17.680 was another
00:51:18.600 status Indian
00:51:20.540 who had a
00:51:21.640 temporary split
00:51:22.500 with the mother
00:51:23.240 and
00:51:24.820 later they
00:51:27.980 reconciled
00:51:28.700 sort of off
00:51:29.240 and on
00:51:29.580 but they did
00:51:30.020 reconcile
00:51:30.440 they had other
00:51:31.000 children
00:51:31.380 so there's
00:51:32.500 actually no
00:51:32.960 mystery here
00:51:33.580 and the main
00:51:34.580 facts were
00:51:35.260 reported
00:51:35.920 in the
00:51:36.860 Williams Lake
00:51:37.700 Tribune
00:51:38.820 I think it's
00:51:39.220 called
00:51:39.460 and
00:51:40.200 in the
00:51:41.280 documentary
00:51:41.800 they show
00:51:42.500 the
00:51:42.960 article
00:51:44.660 to try
00:51:47.120 and create
00:51:47.680 an air
00:51:48.720 of authenticity
00:51:49.460 but they don't
00:51:50.660 give all the
00:51:51.240 facts from the
00:51:52.020 article
00:51:52.380 they don't
00:51:53.800 tell you
00:51:54.240 that the
00:51:54.620 mother is
00:51:55.060 20 years
00:51:55.560 old
00:51:55.760 and not
00:51:56.120 a student
00:51:56.580 and they
00:51:57.320 don't tell
00:51:57.740 you that
00:51:58.060 there's no
00:51:58.460 evidence
00:51:58.940 that the
00:52:00.400 father
00:52:01.980 of the
00:52:03.060 child
00:52:03.400 was a
00:52:04.440 mission
00:52:04.780 priest
00:52:05.520 or anything
00:52:05.960 like that
00:52:06.760 so
00:52:08.180 there's
00:52:08.720 all kinds
00:52:09.180 of
00:52:09.360 implications
00:52:09.980 undocumented
00:52:10.560 implications
00:52:11.520 in the
00:52:12.720 film
00:52:13.060 I mean
00:52:14.960 too many
00:52:15.420 for me
00:52:15.800 to deal
00:52:16.180 with here
00:52:16.620 but it's
00:52:17.600 it's
00:52:17.880 constant
00:52:18.340 throughout
00:52:18.720 the film
00:52:19.220 the film
00:52:20.800 also starts
00:52:21.640 with
00:52:22.120 bad
00:52:23.600 information
00:52:24.260 there's
00:52:25.440 some lines
00:52:26.500 before they
00:52:27.060 get into
00:52:27.540 photography
00:52:28.340 they start
00:52:30.060 by saying
00:52:30.800 that
00:52:31.180 after
00:52:33.800 1894
00:52:34.740 all Indian
00:52:36.240 children
00:52:36.640 were forced
00:52:37.240 to attend
00:52:37.680 residential
00:52:38.220 schools
00:52:38.680 which
00:52:38.920 is not
00:52:39.640 true
00:52:39.940 they take
00:52:41.100 it for
00:52:41.360 granted
00:52:41.660 that the
00:52:42.000 Kamloops
00:52:42.440 story
00:52:42.940 about
00:52:43.280 the
00:52:43.480 215
00:52:44.560 unmarked
00:52:45.840 graves
00:52:46.180 is true
00:52:46.820 they end
00:52:49.480 the film
00:52:51.280 by saying
00:52:52.100 in print
00:52:52.820 that
00:52:53.080 we have
00:52:54.720 determined
00:52:55.080 a pattern
00:52:55.600 of infanticide
00:52:56.720 when in fact
00:52:58.520 they haven't
00:52:58.960 done anything
00:52:59.420 like that
00:53:00.180 the closest
00:53:01.220 they come
00:53:01.660 to it
00:53:02.000 was the
00:53:02.400 baby put
00:53:02.940 in the
00:53:03.220 incinerator
00:53:03.720 who was
00:53:04.120 saved
00:53:04.500 and that
00:53:05.880 wasn't done
00:53:06.440 by anybody
00:53:06.900 at the
00:53:07.280 school
00:53:07.640 that was
00:53:08.000 done by
00:53:08.620 a former
00:53:10.360 student
00:53:10.860 but they
00:53:13.380 imply
00:53:13.960 in many
00:53:14.400 cases
00:53:14.740 in the
00:53:15.100 film
00:53:15.380 that
00:53:16.480 infanticide
00:53:18.820 has
00:53:19.120 taken
00:53:20.220 place
00:53:20.900 they for
00:53:24.420 example
00:53:24.740 they show
00:53:25.420 another main
00:53:26.320 character
00:53:26.720 in the
00:53:27.060 film
00:53:27.300 they show
00:53:28.140 him
00:53:28.420 digging
00:53:29.280 in the
00:53:29.620 cemetery
00:53:30.140 I mean
00:53:30.620 this is
00:53:30.940 an authorized
00:53:32.060 cemetery
00:53:32.640 they show
00:53:33.760 him digging
00:53:34.100 in the
00:53:34.400 cemetery
00:53:34.840 and he
00:53:35.620 uncovers
00:53:36.120 apparently
00:53:36.680 the top
00:53:37.220 of a
00:53:37.480 casket
00:53:37.940 but we
00:53:39.740 don't know
00:53:40.080 who's in
00:53:40.600 the casket
00:53:41.240 and then
00:53:41.960 he makes
00:53:42.300 the sign
00:53:42.700 of the
00:53:42.940 cross
00:53:43.280 on the
00:53:43.720 casket
00:53:44.080 it's all
00:53:44.480 very moving
00:53:45.160 but there's
00:53:46.080 no evidence
00:53:46.600 that this
00:53:47.040 is a child
00:53:47.720 or had
00:53:48.100 been at
00:53:48.620 the school
00:53:49.920 he's just
00:53:50.900 digging
00:53:51.220 there
00:53:51.440 it could
00:53:51.640 be anybody
00:53:52.140 because all
00:53:53.080 kinds of
00:53:53.420 people were
00:53:53.780 buried in
00:53:54.260 the cemetery
00:53:54.940 on and
00:53:57.940 on and
00:53:58.340 on
00:53:58.680 like from
00:53:59.320 beginning to
00:53:59.920 end
00:54:00.400 this thing
00:54:01.860 is false
00:54:02.380 and it's
00:54:03.620 you know
00:54:04.840 I would like
00:54:05.220 to say
00:54:05.520 it's a
00:54:05.800 disgrace
00:54:06.160 that it's
00:54:06.460 been nominated
00:54:07.080 for the
00:54:08.640 Oscars
00:54:10.160 and it is
00:54:10.720 but this
00:54:11.960 movie has
00:54:12.740 received so
00:54:13.360 many awards
00:54:14.140 that it's
00:54:15.440 not just
00:54:16.100 the failure
00:54:16.680 of a single
00:54:17.520 award ceremony
00:54:18.500 this is
00:54:19.460 an indication
00:54:20.920 of the
00:54:21.360 zeitgeist
00:54:21.980 or the
00:54:22.520 climate of
00:54:23.580 opinion
00:54:23.940 that people
00:54:25.280 think this
00:54:25.840 is a great
00:54:26.300 film
00:54:26.680 they don't
00:54:27.620 make the
00:54:28.060 slightest
00:54:28.380 effort
00:54:28.820 to do
00:54:30.040 a fact
00:54:30.460 check
00:54:30.760 on
00:54:31.800 what's
00:54:32.640 in the
00:54:32.920 film
00:54:33.160 so
00:54:35.700 anyway
00:54:36.040 a couple
00:54:36.320 of my
00:54:36.620 friends
00:54:36.940 who are
00:54:37.400 involved
00:54:38.300 with our
00:54:38.920 ongoing
00:54:39.440 research
00:54:40.940 on
00:54:41.380 Mark
00:54:42.340 Graves
00:54:42.820 and
00:54:43.200 residential
00:54:44.800 school
00:54:45.380 so-called
00:54:46.580 atrocities
00:54:47.260 a couple
00:54:47.660 of my
00:54:48.860 friends
00:54:49.340 Nina Green
00:54:50.580 and Michelle
00:54:51.120 Sterling
00:54:51.680 have dug
00:54:52.700 into it
00:54:53.120 in detail
00:54:53.680 and they
00:54:54.740 have found
00:54:55.400 all these
00:54:56.740 dozens
00:54:57.180 of
00:54:57.620 factual
00:54:58.680 you can't
00:55:00.280 call them
00:55:00.660 errors
00:55:01.200 they are
00:55:02.620 deliberate
00:55:03.200 misrepresentations
00:55:04.900 like with
00:55:05.680 the
00:55:06.080 Ed
00:55:07.720 Noisecat
00:55:08.220 story
00:55:08.640 of being
00:55:09.060 put into
00:55:09.500 the incinerator
00:55:10.200 the basic
00:55:11.860 facts were
00:55:12.500 in the
00:55:12.780 Williams Lake
00:55:13.320 story
00:55:13.780 which they
00:55:14.700 had
00:55:15.020 and they
00:55:15.320 showed
00:55:15.560 on the
00:55:15.900 screen
00:55:16.140 but they
00:55:16.700 suppressed
00:55:17.200 some of
00:55:18.020 the essential
00:55:18.440 facts
00:55:18.840 they didn't
00:55:19.160 mention
00:55:19.460 them
00:55:19.720 you know
00:55:22.060 I could
00:55:22.340 go on
00:55:22.720 and on
00:55:23.120 I'm
00:55:23.900 getting
00:55:24.100 wound
00:55:25.040 up
00:55:25.340 here
00:55:25.600 I could
00:55:27.120 go on
00:55:27.500 for a
00:55:27.740 long
00:55:27.920 time
00:55:28.220 but
00:55:28.440 this is
00:55:29.900 the basic
00:55:30.340 thing
00:55:30.660 I need
00:55:30.960 to say
00:55:31.340 but I
00:55:31.640 could
00:55:31.840 supply
00:55:32.700 many
00:55:33.060 more
00:55:33.340 examples
00:55:33.840 well
00:55:34.940 I look
00:55:35.700 forward
00:55:35.880 to the
00:55:36.140 report
00:55:36.400 that you
00:55:36.860 have
00:55:37.240 forthcoming
00:55:37.800 and we'll
00:55:38.140 cover it
00:55:38.780 on
00:55:39.300 for True
00:55:40.420 North
00:55:40.760 make sure
00:55:41.380 that Canadians
00:55:41.840 see it
00:55:42.660 I mean
00:55:43.400 I don't
00:55:43.840 mean to
00:55:44.260 work you
00:55:44.600 up even
00:55:44.920 more
00:55:45.160 Tom
00:55:45.420 but to
00:55:45.860 me
00:55:46.060 it's
00:55:46.320 like
00:55:46.500 it's
00:55:46.780 Hollywood
00:55:47.240 propaganda
00:55:47.900 it's
00:55:48.300 not based
00:55:48.740 on truth
00:55:49.220 it's based
00:55:49.720 on a myth
00:55:50.240 that they
00:55:50.540 want to
00:55:50.960 promote
00:55:52.720 genocidal
00:55:53.320 country
00:55:53.740 and trying
00:55:54.560 to eliminate
00:55:55.220 any moral
00:55:56.320 legitimacy
00:55:56.820 that we
00:55:57.180 have as a
00:55:57.560 nation
00:55:57.760 it kind
00:55:58.000 of goes
00:55:58.200 back to
00:55:58.720 the Jordan
00:55:59.360 Peterson
00:55:59.760 essay
00:56:00.560 that I
00:56:00.860 was talking
00:56:01.260 about
00:56:01.480 earlier
00:56:01.840 that
00:56:02.200 does Canada
00:56:03.900 even have
00:56:04.740 the courage
00:56:05.280 to exist
00:56:06.000 like do we
00:56:06.380 even believe
00:56:06.800 in ourselves
00:56:07.200 as a
00:56:07.520 country
00:56:07.820 and these
00:56:08.740 kinds of
00:56:09.100 stories
00:56:09.480 come up
00:56:10.760 and I
00:56:11.600 worry that
00:56:12.200 young Canadians
00:56:13.380 will view
00:56:14.040 these kind
00:56:14.440 of stories
00:56:14.760 take them
00:56:15.080 as fact
00:56:15.560 believe the
00:56:16.260 propaganda
00:56:16.700 believe the
00:56:17.320 hoaxes
00:56:17.800 I know
00:56:18.320 you and
00:56:18.700 your colleagues
00:56:19.080 have done
00:56:19.540 tremendous
00:56:20.680 work to
00:56:21.240 expose
00:56:21.640 these lies
00:56:22.320 but I
00:56:24.420 mean what
00:56:24.720 else can
00:56:25.900 be done
00:56:26.340 to counter
00:56:27.540 this sort
00:56:28.200 of
00:56:28.340 propagandistic
00:56:29.300 narrative
00:56:30.120 I think
00:56:31.020 that so
00:56:32.180 many people
00:56:32.720 sort of
00:56:33.460 in the
00:56:34.740 journalism
00:56:35.200 world now
00:56:35.980 you know
00:56:37.040 on the
00:56:37.840 political
00:56:38.100 conservative
00:56:38.620 side
00:56:39.000 have come
00:56:39.700 to see
00:56:40.000 the truth
00:56:40.500 about the
00:56:41.460 story
00:56:41.720 you know
00:56:41.940 obviously
00:56:42.280 we feel
00:56:43.420 quite badly
00:56:44.620 for people
00:56:45.040 who went
00:56:45.240 to residential
00:56:45.660 schools
00:56:46.000 and had
00:56:46.460 bad
00:56:47.040 experiences
00:56:47.560 obviously
00:56:47.980 the idea
00:56:48.420 of
00:56:48.880 children
00:56:49.540 dying
00:56:50.200 at a
00:56:50.820 school
00:56:51.060 is sad
00:56:51.760 regardless
00:56:52.300 of the
00:56:52.580 circumstance
00:56:53.040 particularly
00:56:53.840 when it's
00:56:54.360 a big
00:56:54.640 federal
00:56:55.180 government
00:56:55.580 program
00:56:56.120 but the
00:56:57.240 facts around
00:56:57.940 the residential
00:56:58.460 school
00:56:58.960 unmarked
00:56:59.580 graves
00:56:59.880 or mass grave
00:57:00.400 stories
00:57:00.700 were just
00:57:01.020 not true
00:57:01.500 and that's
00:57:02.380 come forward
00:57:03.220 I think
00:57:03.560 many many
00:57:03.920 people
00:57:04.280 now believe
00:57:05.860 that
00:57:06.160 and believe
00:57:06.940 that
00:57:07.200 maybe
00:57:08.280 you know
00:57:08.980 there's
00:57:09.520 there's
00:57:10.200 incentive
00:57:10.620 for
00:57:11.740 first nations
00:57:12.260 groups to
00:57:12.920 continue
00:57:13.400 pushing
00:57:13.960 this
00:57:14.220 myth
00:57:14.440 because
00:57:14.860 it
00:57:15.460 leads
00:57:15.800 to
00:57:16.200 tremendous
00:57:16.920 increase
00:57:17.400 in government
00:57:17.780 spending
00:57:18.220 you had
00:57:19.520 a report
00:57:19.860 over at
00:57:20.120 the Fraser
00:57:20.400 Institute
00:57:20.800 Tom
00:57:21.200 talking about
00:57:22.360 how federal
00:57:22.880 indigenous
00:57:23.360 spending
00:57:23.840 has almost
00:57:24.320 tripled
00:57:24.860 since
00:57:25.580 Justin Trudeau
00:57:26.400 came into
00:57:27.220 office
00:57:27.760 projected to
00:57:29.220 be
00:57:29.480 32 billion
00:57:30.880 dollars
00:57:31.480 that is
00:57:32.760 going
00:57:33.120 to
00:57:34.040 these
00:57:34.600 groups
00:57:35.080 why don't
00:57:35.980 you walk
00:57:36.260 us through
00:57:36.520 your report
00:57:37.120 yeah
00:57:37.780 okay
00:57:40.520 the tripling
00:57:41.360 of spending
00:57:43.160 is based
00:57:43.700 on the
00:57:44.040 budgets
00:57:44.320 of two
00:57:44.680 departments
00:57:45.180 the
00:57:45.580 indigenous
00:57:46.840 services
00:57:47.500 and
00:57:48.320 what's
00:57:49.680 the name
00:57:49.880 of the
00:57:50.060 other one
00:57:50.380 the one
00:57:50.640 that deals
00:57:51.740 with
00:57:52.980 indigenous
00:57:54.380 Indian
00:57:55.160 governments
00:57:55.960 anyway
00:57:57.440 we have
00:57:57.780 two
00:57:58.000 two
00:57:58.760 departments
00:57:59.280 that focus
00:57:59.820 on government
00:58:00.400 affairs
00:58:00.740 and the
00:58:01.720 allocations
00:58:02.320 for those
00:58:03.080 departments
00:58:05.960 have
00:58:06.320 gone from
00:58:07.560 approximately
00:58:08.520 11 billion
00:58:09.140 dollars to
00:58:09.820 approximately
00:58:10.760 32 billion
00:58:11.500 dollars
00:58:11.940 in the
00:58:12.720 time that
00:58:13.120 liberals
00:58:13.440 have been
00:58:13.780 in power
00:58:14.180 now those
00:58:14.960 are nominal
00:58:15.440 dollars
00:58:15.980 I haven't
00:58:16.420 adjusted
00:58:16.760 that for
00:58:17.240 changes
00:58:18.780 in the
00:58:19.040 cost of
00:58:19.440 living
00:58:19.660 so maybe
00:58:20.640 the real
00:58:21.080 change is
00:58:21.660 two and a
00:58:22.260 half times
00:58:22.700 rather than
00:58:23.160 three times
00:58:23.660 but it is
00:58:24.360 still a
00:58:25.340 huge change
00:58:25.980 in addition
00:58:27.640 to that
00:58:28.340 we have
00:58:29.760 the
00:58:30.200 liberal
00:58:31.340 policy
00:58:32.120 of
00:58:32.660 rolling
00:58:34.240 over
00:58:34.820 on
00:58:35.440 specific
00:58:35.920 claims
00:58:36.600 excuse me
00:58:38.120 well
00:58:38.320 mainly
00:58:38.600 specific claims
00:58:39.520 are part
00:58:39.840 of it
00:58:40.020 but
00:58:40.160 the
00:58:40.640 bigger
00:58:40.880 part
00:58:41.280 is
00:58:41.560 the
00:58:41.680 class
00:58:41.960 actions
00:58:42.380 based
00:58:43.340 on
00:58:43.680 claims
00:58:44.600 of
00:58:44.860 historic
00:58:45.440 maltreatment
00:58:46.460 and
00:58:46.660 starting
00:58:47.500 with
00:58:47.720 schools
00:58:48.120 but then
00:58:48.540 expanding
00:58:49.020 into
00:58:49.260 other
00:58:49.520 areas
00:58:49.960 and
00:58:51.120 as soon
00:58:51.820 as liberals
00:58:52.160 came to
00:58:52.580 power
00:58:52.880 they stopped
00:58:53.400 contesting
00:58:53.960 these claims
00:58:55.200 and they
00:58:55.660 said we'll
00:58:56.080 negotiate
00:58:56.540 rather than
00:58:57.820 litigate
00:58:58.280 and that's
00:59:00.040 what has
00:59:00.460 built up
00:59:01.080 the
00:59:01.520 76 billion
00:59:03.420 dollars
00:59:03.900 recorded
00:59:04.900 for contingent
00:59:05.700 liabilities
00:59:06.300 which have
00:59:07.480 alarmed
00:59:07.860 the
00:59:08.020 parliamentary
00:59:08.380 budget
00:59:08.820 officer
00:59:09.380 contingent
00:59:10.540 liabilities
00:59:11.060 are
00:59:11.560 contingent
00:59:13.900 in the
00:59:14.160 sense
00:59:14.360 that we
00:59:14.740 don't know
00:59:15.040 for sure
00:59:15.520 what the
00:59:15.940 amount
00:59:16.280 will be
00:59:16.940 but we
00:59:17.780 think
00:59:18.020 there's
00:59:18.280 going to
00:59:18.540 be
00:59:18.820 a big
00:59:19.580 payout
00:59:20.140 and
00:59:21.380 they don't
00:59:22.300 go into
00:59:22.660 the budget
00:59:23.660 of the
00:59:24.220 departments
00:59:24.920 that deal
00:59:25.640 with
00:59:25.900 native
00:59:26.840 affairs
00:59:27.260 they
00:59:27.540 they're
00:59:29.160 just in
00:59:29.580 the general
00:59:30.020 budget
00:59:30.380 and
00:59:30.760 when it
00:59:31.760 comes
00:59:32.040 true
00:59:32.380 they're
00:59:32.700 dispensed
00:59:33.360 by
00:59:33.940 well
00:59:36.320 whoever
00:59:37.000 writes
00:59:37.560 checks
00:59:37.860 from
00:59:38.120 the
00:59:38.340 general
00:59:38.880 revenue
00:59:39.220 fund
00:59:39.540 so
00:59:40.800 it's
00:59:40.980 a
00:59:41.120 separate
00:59:41.380 stream
00:59:41.860 of
00:59:42.060 spending
00:59:42.480 and
00:59:43.380 that
00:59:43.740 amount
00:59:44.020 when the
00:59:44.320 liberals
00:59:44.520 came to
00:59:44.920 power
00:59:45.340 was about
00:59:47.200 10 billion
00:59:47.740 now it's
00:59:48.400 up to
00:59:48.800 last time
00:59:49.740 they looked
00:59:50.080 it was
00:59:50.340 76 billion
00:59:51.240 so there's
00:59:52.380 huge
00:59:52.600 and it's
00:59:53.160 going to
00:59:53.380 grow
00:59:53.580 because
00:59:53.860 there are
00:59:54.160 lots
00:59:54.420 of
00:59:54.560 class
00:59:54.860 actions
00:59:55.260 out
00:59:55.560 there
00:59:55.880 and
00:59:58.540 unless
00:59:58.860 the
00:59:59.080 policy
00:59:59.440 of the
00:59:59.620 government
00:59:59.860 changes
01:00:00.320 we're
01:00:01.260 going to
01:00:01.640 bring up
01:00:02.020 more
01:00:02.420 of these
01:00:02.900 liabilities
01:00:04.360 which
01:00:04.680 take the
01:00:05.060 form
01:00:05.320 mainly
01:00:05.700 of payouts
01:00:06.680 to
01:00:06.880 individuals
01:00:07.440 but which
01:00:07.920 could be
01:00:08.140 very large
01:00:08.780 tens or
01:00:09.600 even
01:00:09.800 hundreds of
01:00:10.220 thousands
01:00:10.500 of dollars
01:00:11.080 per person
01:00:12.060 so my
01:00:14.920 article
01:00:15.380 talked about
01:00:17.600 the budget
01:00:18.920 of the
01:00:19.240 departments
01:00:19.780 of the
01:00:20.560 contingent
01:00:21.200 liabilities
01:00:21.780 mainly for
01:00:22.820 specific
01:00:23.300 claims
01:00:23.840 excuse me
01:00:24.680 mainly for
01:00:25.360 class actions
01:00:27.460 but that also
01:00:28.360 includes
01:00:28.760 specific claims
01:00:29.640 which are
01:00:30.140 claims that the
01:00:31.800 government didn't
01:00:32.460 administer the
01:00:33.080 Indian Act
01:00:33.540 properly
01:00:34.040 and so
01:00:34.540 now
01:00:35.240 large
01:00:36.740 payments
01:00:37.160 are due
01:00:37.560 and that
01:00:38.220 has also
01:00:38.680 exploded
01:00:39.220 under the
01:00:39.660 liberals
01:00:39.980 up to
01:00:41.220 billions of
01:00:41.800 dollars a
01:00:42.340 year
01:00:42.560 it used
01:00:42.900 to be
01:00:43.060 much
01:00:43.260 smaller
01:00:43.620 I didn't
01:00:46.640 try to
01:00:47.060 do
01:00:47.200 there's
01:00:47.500 another
01:00:47.780 stream
01:00:48.420 of spending
01:00:48.920 that I
01:00:49.240 didn't even
01:00:49.560 try to
01:00:49.960 do
01:00:50.140 and that
01:00:51.120 is
01:00:51.580 indigenous
01:00:52.560 programs
01:00:53.140 in other
01:00:53.900 departments
01:00:54.720 for example
01:00:55.900 fisheries
01:00:56.480 and oceans
01:00:57.200 is spending
01:00:58.960 hundreds of
01:00:59.460 millions of
01:00:59.900 dollars a
01:01:00.480 year
01:01:00.740 to promote
01:01:02.040 first nations
01:01:03.180 fishers
01:01:03.800 often by
01:01:06.380 buying up
01:01:06.980 license of
01:01:07.740 other
01:01:08.380 fishermen
01:01:08.780 almost every
01:01:11.380 department has
01:01:12.120 a special
01:01:12.600 program
01:01:13.160 for
01:01:14.420 indigenous
01:01:16.140 people or
01:01:16.740 for first
01:01:17.120 nations or
01:01:17.820 Métis or
01:01:18.260 whatever it
01:01:18.780 depends on
01:01:19.980 the program
01:01:20.820 so I
01:01:21.820 didn't attempt
01:01:22.320 to total
01:01:22.760 these I
01:01:23.880 don't know
01:01:24.240 that anybody
01:01:24.720 has but
01:01:25.980 this would
01:01:26.700 be a
01:01:27.640 multi-billion
01:01:28.200 dollar number
01:01:29.000 as well
01:01:29.740 which is
01:01:31.180 not in
01:01:31.540 the budgets
01:01:31.920 of the
01:01:32.300 two
01:01:32.480 departments
01:01:32.920 which
01:01:33.260 deal with
01:01:35.300 indigenous
01:01:35.700 affairs
01:01:36.180 as such
01:01:36.800 so there's
01:01:38.620 been this
01:01:39.000 huge spending
01:01:39.640 explosion
01:01:40.260 or I
01:01:41.040 call it
01:01:41.420 an avalanche
01:01:42.140 of money
01:01:42.560 in my
01:01:44.140 paper for
01:01:45.260 the Fraser
01:01:45.640 Institute
01:01:46.100 and it's
01:01:48.240 going to be
01:01:48.540 a priority
01:01:49.040 for any
01:01:49.540 new government
01:01:50.260 whether it's
01:01:51.420 liberal or
01:01:51.840 conservative
01:01:52.280 which has
01:01:52.840 any concern
01:01:53.660 for balancing
01:01:55.060 the budget
01:01:55.540 to try and
01:01:56.220 deal with
01:01:56.620 this
01:01:56.940 but it's
01:01:58.820 going to be
01:01:59.080 hard
01:01:59.460 the contingent
01:02:00.640 liabilities
01:02:01.240 are already
01:02:02.000 committed in
01:02:02.760 principle
01:02:03.240 to payments
01:02:05.860 the budgetary
01:02:07.840 explosion has
01:02:09.440 created programs
01:02:10.600 which may be
01:02:12.160 frivolous
01:02:12.760 but you know
01:02:14.040 there's always a
01:02:14.680 constituency for
01:02:15.560 every government
01:02:16.120 program
01:02:16.520 there's always a
01:02:17.360 group of people
01:02:17.920 who benefit from
01:02:18.700 it and
01:02:19.640 they will
01:02:20.360 cry to high
01:02:21.540 heaven if
01:02:22.520 their programs
01:02:23.060 are cancelled
01:02:23.680 I don't
01:02:26.840 know if
01:02:27.100 anybody in
01:02:27.620 Canada has
01:02:28.280 the backbone
01:02:29.640 of a
01:02:30.040 Trump to
01:02:30.480 just cancel
01:02:31.120 a bunch of
01:02:31.580 stuff all
01:02:32.020 at once
01:02:32.440 which is
01:02:33.400 one way
01:02:33.840 of dealing
01:02:34.180 with it
01:02:34.660 I think
01:02:35.720 you'd have
01:02:36.380 to because
01:02:36.780 I think
01:02:37.360 even objectively
01:02:38.220 it's not like
01:02:38.820 these programs
01:02:39.320 have resulted
01:02:39.900 in incredible
01:02:41.500 increases in
01:02:42.340 standard of
01:02:42.840 living or
01:02:44.360 you know
01:02:44.980 better communities
01:02:46.560 and happier
01:02:47.020 people you
01:02:48.340 know by most
01:02:48.840 objective
01:02:49.200 standards
01:02:49.540 are still
01:02:51.280 suffering
01:02:51.740 many are
01:02:53.200 still living
01:02:53.600 without basic
01:02:54.200 necessities
01:02:54.800 so it's
01:02:56.440 quite distressing
01:02:57.160 to just see
01:02:57.740 runaway spending
01:02:58.620 obviously benefiting
01:02:59.980 a few at the
01:03:00.580 top and not
01:03:01.580 really changing
01:03:02.380 the day-to-day
01:03:03.300 life for so
01:03:04.420 many others
01:03:05.060 well you know
01:03:05.760 the one program
01:03:06.700 that has
01:03:07.800 actually brought
01:03:09.660 about a
01:03:10.320 measurable benefit
01:03:11.340 in the standard
01:03:12.640 of living of
01:03:13.440 First Nations
01:03:14.240 people on
01:03:15.100 reserve
01:03:15.580 is the
01:03:17.320 change to the
01:03:18.460 child care
01:03:18.840 benefit which
01:03:19.520 the liberals
01:03:20.020 had acted
01:03:20.480 as soon as
01:03:22.880 they came
01:03:23.740 to power
01:03:24.280 and
01:03:25.500 it's
01:03:27.540 for higher
01:03:29.400 income people
01:03:30.000 it doesn't
01:03:30.400 matter so much
01:03:31.080 and some of
01:03:32.260 it will be
01:03:32.660 taxed back
01:03:33.400 maybe all of
01:03:34.260 it depending
01:03:34.660 on how much
01:03:35.380 what your
01:03:36.120 income is
01:03:36.480 but for lower
01:03:37.460 income people
01:03:38.280 and with
01:03:39.480 larger families
01:03:40.420 as tend
01:03:42.060 to be the
01:03:42.400 case on
01:03:43.640 reserves
01:03:44.160 the increase
01:03:45.820 in income
01:03:46.500 is
01:03:47.820 significant
01:03:49.480 and
01:03:50.700 you know
01:03:52.040 I'm in
01:03:52.360 favor of
01:03:52.760 children
01:03:53.120 I think
01:03:53.760 we need
01:03:54.040 more of
01:03:54.500 them
01:03:55.020 so
01:03:55.840 I'm not
01:03:57.780 too concerned
01:03:58.440 about an
01:03:59.100 increase in
01:03:59.760 pay
01:03:59.900 but what's
01:04:00.580 interesting
01:04:00.920 is this
01:04:01.600 program was
01:04:02.660 not targeted
01:04:03.440 for First
01:04:04.020 Nations or
01:04:04.600 indigenous
01:04:05.000 people
01:04:05.460 this was a
01:04:06.340 program
01:04:06.720 designed to
01:04:07.800 benefit
01:04:08.340 all Canadians
01:04:09.820 below a
01:04:10.620 certain income
01:04:11.180 level
01:04:11.540 it benefits
01:04:12.380 tens of
01:04:12.860 millions of
01:04:13.320 people
01:04:13.660 you know
01:04:15.140 you could
01:04:15.380 debate
01:04:15.680 whether the
01:04:16.140 program is
01:04:16.600 needed or
01:04:17.000 not
01:04:17.180 but it
01:04:17.780 was not
01:04:18.360 targeted
01:04:18.860 so the
01:04:19.760 one thing
01:04:20.400 that has
01:04:20.820 measurably
01:04:21.380 helped the
01:04:22.400 standard of
01:04:22.900 living on
01:04:23.340 reserve
01:04:23.760 was not a
01:04:24.940 First Nations
01:04:25.380 program at
01:04:26.060 all
01:04:26.880 so my
01:04:28.820 general
01:04:29.120 conclusion
01:04:29.580 is that
01:04:30.200 the best
01:04:32.600 way to
01:04:32.900 help
01:04:33.240 First
01:04:34.440 Nations
01:04:34.660 people
01:04:34.960 is by
01:04:35.340 general
01:04:35.940 programs
01:04:37.420 which
01:04:37.900 encourage
01:04:39.120 family
01:04:39.500 formation
01:04:40.060 which
01:04:40.460 encourage
01:04:41.020 paid
01:04:41.860 work
01:04:42.340 and so
01:04:43.500 on
01:04:43.780 rather
01:04:46.340 than
01:04:46.560 trying to
01:04:46.920 target
01:04:47.340 things
01:04:48.440 narrowly
01:04:49.160 particularly
01:04:49.760 based on
01:04:50.760 the assumption
01:04:51.720 that they
01:04:52.260 were terribly
01:04:52.760 mistreated
01:04:53.280 in the
01:04:53.580 past
01:04:54.000 something I
01:04:55.580 should have
01:04:55.820 said about
01:04:56.200 sugarcane
01:04:56.780 if I
01:04:58.180 can just
01:04:58.420 go back
01:04:58.700 there for
01:04:59.000 a second
01:04:59.300 it's
01:04:59.520 related
01:04:59.840 all these
01:05:00.900 people
01:05:01.300 talk about
01:05:03.100 how they
01:05:04.300 were harmed
01:05:04.840 in residential
01:05:05.360 school
01:05:05.820 and how
01:05:06.940 they you
01:05:07.980 know they
01:05:08.300 deserve
01:05:08.600 compensation
01:05:09.060 for it
01:05:09.860 but they
01:05:10.960 all got
01:05:11.360 compensation
01:05:11.920 already
01:05:12.460 all these
01:05:13.500 people who
01:05:14.040 attended
01:05:14.420 residential
01:05:14.940 school
01:05:15.360 would have
01:05:16.540 participated
01:05:17.080 in the
01:05:17.640 settlement
01:05:17.980 which was
01:05:19.140 reached
01:05:19.440 class action
01:05:20.040 settlement
01:05:20.480 finally inked
01:05:22.140 in 2008
01:05:23.140 and the
01:05:24.960 payments
01:05:25.360 were tens
01:05:26.700 or even
01:05:27.100 hundreds of
01:05:27.520 thousands
01:05:27.820 of dollars
01:05:28.460 depending upon
01:05:29.800 alleged
01:05:30.200 grievances
01:05:30.820 a mistreatment
01:05:32.200 in the
01:05:32.440 schools
01:05:32.840 I mean all
01:05:33.540 these people
01:05:34.020 would have
01:05:34.360 had their
01:05:34.880 compensation
01:05:35.720 already
01:05:36.400 but here
01:05:37.620 they are
01:05:38.000 again
01:05:38.360 talking about
01:05:39.440 the need
01:05:39.960 for another
01:05:40.680 round
01:05:41.220 of compensation
01:05:43.580 and they've
01:05:44.060 had their
01:05:44.400 apologies
01:05:44.960 they've had
01:05:47.300 a cascade
01:05:47.780 of new
01:05:48.360 programs
01:05:49.040 like
01:05:50.780 everything
01:05:51.680 that government
01:05:52.200 could conceivably
01:05:53.040 do
01:05:53.480 has been
01:05:55.320 done
01:05:55.720 but they
01:05:56.900 are creating
01:05:58.000 bogus
01:05:59.080 stories
01:06:00.240 about
01:06:01.540 infanticide
01:06:03.360 and throwing
01:06:04.420 babies in the
01:06:05.060 incinerator
01:06:05.740 and so on
01:06:06.440 which are
01:06:08.420 without evidence
01:06:09.200 but it's
01:06:09.740 I'm not saying
01:06:11.340 the motive is
01:06:12.040 to get more
01:06:12.560 money
01:06:12.860 but I can't
01:06:13.900 get inside
01:06:14.340 people's minds
01:06:15.120 but they
01:06:16.360 certainly are
01:06:17.240 asking for
01:06:17.860 more compensation
01:06:18.580 in the movie
01:06:20.080 and again
01:06:20.580 this is another
01:06:21.260 falsehood in the
01:06:22.680 movie
01:06:22.980 that when
01:06:24.940 they ask for
01:06:25.580 compensation
01:06:26.040 there's no
01:06:26.700 voice saying
01:06:27.920 well yeah
01:06:28.420 but they already
01:06:29.040 got $200,000
01:06:30.740 a piece
01:06:31.420 or $50,000
01:06:32.220 depending on
01:06:32.800 the case
01:06:33.940 anyway
01:06:34.480 so the
01:06:35.660 spending is a
01:06:36.680 bit related
01:06:37.300 to the
01:06:37.800 sugar cane
01:06:38.400 so all these
01:06:39.800 atrocity stories
01:06:40.820 like Kamloops
01:06:41.600 and sugar cane
01:06:42.920 they feed a
01:06:43.920 mentality
01:06:44.620 of deservingness
01:06:46.720 like we need
01:06:48.620 more compensation
01:06:49.700 we need
01:06:50.380 government to
01:06:51.400 do more
01:06:51.880 things for
01:06:52.740 us
01:06:53.120 so they
01:06:54.680 are in fact
01:06:55.260 related
01:06:55.800 psychologically
01:06:56.740 well absolutely
01:06:58.340 we heard a lot
01:06:58.980 of that in the
01:06:59.640 wake of the
01:06:59.960 unmarked grave
01:07:00.480 story and I
01:07:01.000 think that's
01:07:01.280 sort of
01:07:01.900 again one
01:07:02.940 of the
01:07:03.300 things that
01:07:03.900 the liberals
01:07:04.160 do best is
01:07:04.820 they always
01:07:05.280 have a
01:07:06.080 solution to
01:07:06.740 borrow more
01:07:07.380 and spend
01:07:07.760 more to try
01:07:08.140 to fix
01:07:08.420 every problem
01:07:08.900 well Tom
01:07:10.000 Flanagan it's
01:07:10.560 been a pleasure
01:07:10.940 to have you
01:07:11.200 on the show
01:07:11.500 thank you for
01:07:12.020 setting the
01:07:12.420 record straight
01:07:13.160 bringing this
01:07:14.080 information to
01:07:15.200 the public
01:07:15.780 we'll certainly
01:07:16.620 be reporting
01:07:17.180 on your next
01:07:18.580 report there
01:07:19.120 so thanks for
01:07:19.940 your time and
01:07:20.380 thanks for all
01:07:20.780 the hard work
01:07:21.200 you do
01:07:21.560 okay and I
01:07:22.680 hope you spend
01:07:23.520 your child care
01:07:24.160 benefit wisely
01:07:25.040 well I'm
01:07:28.300 completely on
01:07:28.860 board with
01:07:29.360 we need more
01:07:30.180 children my
01:07:30.920 husband and I
01:07:31.340 are doing our
01:07:31.740 best with our
01:07:32.760 four little ones
01:07:33.480 but okay
01:07:34.800 thanks for your
01:07:35.340 time Tom
01:07:35.920 and to the
01:07:36.640 audience thank
01:07:37.200 you so much
01:07:37.960 for tuning in
01:07:39.160 I'm Candice
01:07:39.640 Malcolm this is
01:07:40.280 the Candice
01:07:40.620 Malcolm show
01:07:41.060 we'll be back
01:07:41.440 again tomorrow
01:07:42.020 with all the
01:07:42.960 news thank you
01:07:43.980 and God bless
01:07:44.720 you