The Candice Malcolm Show - Jagmeet Singh to PROP UP the Liberals again？!

00:00:00.000 Hi, and welcome to the Candice Malcolm Show. I'm your host, Candice Malcolm. We have a

00:00:11.240 great show lined up for you today. We're going to talk about the latest in the tariff threats

00:00:16.740 and the tariff war that look like they could be coming as soon as this Saturday. We'll

00:00:21.020 talk about the government's response, which is basically creating a COVID-like schedule

00:00:26.320 to pay Canadians just like they did during CERB. It's unbelievable. NDP leader Jagmeet Singh

00:00:32.040 suggesting that perhaps he will prop up the Liberal government once again after promising

00:00:36.240 us that he won't. We'll get to his latest comments. We'll talk about Mark Carney and the leadership.

00:00:41.660 And later on, we're going to talk about a First Nations documentary that does a major

00:00:46.600 disservice to Canadians in spreading mistruths. We'll try to correct the record on that. I am

00:00:51.500 pleased and delighted today to be joined by Tom Flanagan. Tom Flanagan is Professor Emeritus at

00:00:57.060 the University of Calgary School of Public Policy. He served as a campaign manager on Stephen Harper's

00:01:01.760 Canadian Alliance Leadership Campaign and Harper's Conservative Party Leadership. It's always a

00:01:06.680 pleasure to have Tom on the show. So, Tom, thank you so much for joining us.

00:01:10.720 Hi, Malcolm. It's great. Candice, great to be here.

00:01:13.780 Great. Thanks. So before we get into the rest of the news, I want to talk about an exclusive that True

00:01:18.560 North has published today an exclusive poll that we commissioned that found that nearly half of

00:01:24.620 young Canadian men would take American citizenship from Donald Trump if offered. So the poll was

00:01:32.520 conducted by one persuasion. Forty-five percent of young men aged 18 to 34 would take American citizenship

00:01:40.340 and 46 percent would reject it. So just right about half. Next, we saw that the willingness

00:01:48.360 shortly decreased as men got older. So only 15 percent of men 55 and older said that they would.

00:01:55.620 Women were generally less interested in taking U.S. citizenship. Only 25 percent of young women

00:02:01.780 age 18 to 34 said yes. Dropped to 18 for women 35 to 55 and then only 7 percent 55 and older. It kind 0.75

00:02:09.000 of makes sense. As you get more established, you're less likely to take a risk and move to another country.

00:02:13.920 One thing that I thought was really interesting was that the education level mattered. It was a

00:02:18.200 strong factor influencing whether they would be willing to take this offer. So only 13 percent of

00:02:24.100 respondents with a high school education or less said that they would take U.S. citizenship. But it

00:02:28.620 rose steadily with education levels. So 19 percent of community college or trade educated said that they

00:02:34.680 would take the offer. 25 percent with a bachelor's degree and up to 35 percent for those with a postgraduate

00:02:41.780 degree. So kind of interesting that the more educated that you get, the more likely you would

00:02:47.560 be. I think that makes sense because personally, like I know a lot of people who are doctors or who

00:02:52.360 have postgraduate degrees in medicine and a lot of them go to the U.S. just so that they can make some

00:02:57.800 money, that there's more opportunities down there. Same thing for law. Same thing probably for

00:03:02.100 universities. There's so many more universities down there. So if you have a Ph.D., you might be more

00:03:06.420 likely to be able to get a job down there. Tom, I want to get your thoughts on this. You worked in a

00:03:10.980 university. What do you think about the fact that the more education you have, the more likely you

00:03:15.560 would be to want to join and become an American? Well, I think it makes sense. You know, the country

00:03:21.740 is nine times as big, at least in the United States, and there are more opportunities down there. And

00:03:27.280 many of these jobs are more highly paid in the United States. And high income people are more

00:03:37.920 highly taxed in Canada. So there are a lot of economic reasons why somebody might consider.

00:03:44.860 I would just add one footnote as somebody who actually has American citizenship because I was

00:03:49.820 born and grew up there. If these people realized that if they obtained American citizenship, or even

00:03:57.960 if they went to the United States and worked there on a green card, they would have to file with the

00:04:03.780 Internal Revenue Service for the rest of their life, even if they came back to Canada later. So there are

00:04:10.060 some downsides that perhaps not everybody realizes. Yeah, that's right.

00:04:16.020 See why it looks attractive. Yeah, my stepmother, who's lived in Canada for 40 years, but she grew 0.88

00:04:22.260 up in Boston. She's American. It drives her crazy having to file her taxes every year to the point 0.91

00:04:27.300 where she's even considered renouncing. But then that's so much paperwork and money that she said,

00:04:32.380 forget it. I was talking to a journalist friend, because one of the things that was interesting was

00:04:36.620 that the number on the prairies isn't very high. According to this study, it was 18% of people on

00:04:42.960 the prairies that said they would take American citizenship, whereas I think BC was the highest

00:04:46.360 with 25%. I was talking to a journalist friend from Ontario, and he was really surprised by that.

00:04:50.960 He was like, you know, I would have imagined that Albertans would be the number one and not British 1.00

00:04:54.360 Columbians. But it makes sense to me. I've been talking to a lot of Albertans who, you know,

00:04:58.360 they mistrust Ottawa and the federal government in Canada, but they would mistrust a bigger government

00:05:04.460 in Washington, DC with a lot more power, even more. What's your take on that?

00:05:09.820 Well, I think, again, I think it's mainly economic that Alberta at the present time

00:05:14.040 has more opportunities than any other province. And that's demonstrated by the number of people

00:05:21.520 who are moving here right now. So I think young men are probably less dissatisfied with their

00:05:28.920 situation than they might be in some other provinces. So I can understand that. Now, that could change

00:05:35.600 with the change in the international oil market. And, you know, a lot of things could happen to take

00:05:41.360 away Alberta's prosperity. But right now, it's pretty good. And people are moving in rather than

00:05:46.380 trying to leave.

00:05:48.500 Well, yeah, that's great. I mean, I grew up in British Columbia in the 90s and the 2000s. And

00:05:53.440 I would say that like a large proportion of my graduating class in high school moved to Alberta

00:05:58.300 for the opportunities that the oil field had in the kind of early 2000s. A lot of them moved up to

00:06:03.220 Fort McMurray or Edmonton just to have jobs that didn't exist in British Columbia anymore. I want

00:06:10.720 to step back a little, Tom, and ask you about your broader thoughts. I mean, you've probably been

00:06:15.620 watching Donald Trump, as we all have. And his sort of, I think he's musing in his jokes about

00:06:21.840 Canada becoming the 51st state, sort of mocking Prime Minister Justin Trudeau, calling him Governor

00:06:26.220 Trudeau. I think that that is really Trump has a knack for making jokes in a way that really hits

00:06:32.060 someone where it hurts. I think that's humiliating to Justin Trudeau to be called the governor.

00:06:36.000 And Trump knows that. What do you make of Trump's actions, his words, the whole 51st state joke,

00:06:43.020 and the tariffs that may be coming as soon as this weekend?

00:06:48.400 Well, on the jokes, the 51st state, I think these are part of Trump's negotiating style

00:06:54.800 and the way he deals with rivals. And we've seen many examples of this. And then he often reconciles

00:07:03.000 with these people afterwards. So I don't think joining the United States is a serious idea for

00:07:09.760 anybody really. And so I'm not spending any time thinking about that. The tariffs, on the other hand,

00:07:16.940 are a very serious issue. And here the problem is to, for us to understand what Trump's motive is.

00:07:27.940 Because he's, as he often does, he has said different things at different times.

00:07:32.420 So at times he's made it sound as if the tariffs, excuse me, are a negotiating tactic to get Canada to change

00:07:43.120 certain policies like border control or contributing to NATO and building up armed forces and so forth.

00:07:52.960 So some Canadians have said, well, that's the response we need to make,

00:07:57.280 is to satisfy Trump on these issues, which really aren't so terribly burdensome for Canada anyway.

00:08:05.440 On the other hand, there's a lot of evidence that Trump wants to levy tariffs for revenue.

00:08:15.120 He has economic advisors who have apparently convinced him that you can get rid of the federal income tax

00:08:23.840 and replace that revenue with tariff revenue.

00:08:28.400 Now, you know, personally, I doubt that that's true.

00:08:31.220 But, excuse me, my voice is not what it used to be.

00:08:35.340 Oh.

00:08:39.280 If that's what's really in his mind,

00:08:42.240 then the tariffs will come no matter what Canada does.

00:08:48.800 Because the point is to raise revenue in the United States.

00:08:52.540 I don't know what's in his mind.

00:08:56.820 I guess we just have to wait and see.

00:08:59.680 But it's important to find out because our responses would be quite different

00:09:03.480 depending on what the real motivation is.

00:09:08.440 And then there's this issue of the unfavorable balance of trade.

00:09:12.980 And that, I think, is based on a misunderstanding on Trump's part.

00:09:17.120 But, again, if that's what's in his mind,

00:09:23.060 he might be levying tariffs for that reason, too.

00:09:28.880 And there's not a whole lot that Canada can do about that.

00:09:33.060 Ross McKittrick has explained to the public in some columns

00:09:36.640 why there's this unfavorable balance of trade

00:09:40.020 and how it's related to the United States' need to borrow.

00:09:46.480 So these international accounts balance in the end,

00:09:50.540 but whether it's in financial transfers or transfers of goods,

00:09:53.960 it can change a whole lot.

00:09:55.220 So, anyway, I'm not sure what the right response is.

00:09:59.160 I think we have to wait and see what Trump's real motivation is.

00:10:03.980 And maybe that will become clear or not.

00:10:07.560 I don't know.

00:10:08.180 Yeah, well, Danielle Smith has made a similar point. 0.87

00:10:10.560 She basically said if you take out our oil, 0.96

00:10:12.500 which we sell at a discount to the United States anyway,

00:10:14.600 in part because we don't have another customer,

00:10:17.340 it's actually Canada that has a trade deficit.

00:10:20.040 And that might be based on a misunderstanding.

00:10:25.040 You said that you don't think that Trump's offer is serious

00:10:29.080 and that you shouldn't spend a lot of time thinking about it.

00:10:31.680 I think that's right.

00:10:32.660 But I think it's a good time to have this sort of thought experiment.

00:10:35.900 And I saw Jordan Peterson had a piece on the cover

00:10:38.920 of the National Post this morning.

00:10:41.220 The cover says, what a poor friend we've been.

00:10:44.060 And the online version says,

00:10:46.740 Canada must offer more than Trump could.

00:10:50.280 Now, this article is getting a lot of traction online.

00:10:53.980 A lot of people on the political left are very upset

00:10:56.380 that Peterson would write this

00:10:58.160 and that the National Post would publish this.

00:11:00.840 It's a long piece.

00:11:01.620 It's an essay, but I encourage listeners to go check it out

00:11:04.420 because it's really interesting.

00:11:06.440 Peterson basically says that there's this prominent anti-Americanism

00:11:12.360 that's prevalent, particularly in central Canada.

00:11:15.080 He gives an anecdote of when he worked at Harvard

00:11:18.360 and then he moved to teach in Canada at the University of Toronto.

00:11:22.180 He brought with him some of the brightest sort of graduate students

00:11:25.280 that he had, brought them to Canada,

00:11:27.600 and he was constantly embarrassed by the anti-Americanism

00:11:31.400 that they would encounter at the university

00:11:33.800 and how prevalent it is.

00:11:35.940 And there's this sort of pernicious attitude.

00:11:38.320 I don't think that that attitude exists in the same way in Western Canada.

00:11:42.040 I haven't seen it as much.

00:11:43.220 Part of the reason I loved being in Alberta

00:11:44.860 is that the knee-jerk anti-Americanism wasn't there.

00:11:47.300 It certainly is there in Toronto.

00:11:48.940 So Peterson describes that.

00:11:50.760 And he basically runs through the case

00:11:52.740 as to how Alberta has been severely mistreated by Canada

00:11:56.360 over basically since Pierre Trudeau was prime minister.

00:11:59.820 I don't think that you'd get a lot of arguments

00:12:02.180 from people in Alberta about that,

00:12:04.460 about just how unfair the federation has been to Alberta in many ways.

00:12:08.920 He concludes by basically just saying that

00:12:11.600 Trump could offer Alberta a better deal,

00:12:14.440 but we don't want that.

00:12:16.460 Instead, the ownership should be on Canada to say,

00:12:19.800 look, we need to up our goal,

00:12:21.880 we need to start treating Alberta as a fair partner in confederation,

00:12:25.620 and we need to take ourselves more seriously.

00:12:28.440 I'll read just the last paragraph here

00:12:29.880 because I think it's quite powerful.

00:12:33.480 Peterson says,

00:12:34.440 Trump is threatening the integrity of Canada and very effectively.

00:12:37.920 The fact of that threat and its effectiveness

00:12:40.060 might make us think twice.

00:12:41.920 In such thinking,

00:12:43.280 there could be an opportunity to shed the idiocy

00:12:45.620 that is making us poor, weak, and irrelevant on the national stage

00:12:49.160 and contemptible to our neighbours.

00:12:51.240 We could make this saber-rattling into an opportunity, 0.99

00:12:54.520 increase our cross-border trade,

00:12:56.960 get out of our own way on the energy front,

00:12:59.640 rekindle national pride,

00:13:00.920 at least to the point where we regard our country

00:13:02.780 as both viable and valuable,

00:13:04.800 seek the international markets

00:13:06.420 that would make us truly independent,

00:13:08.720 strengthen our commitment to the military,

00:13:10.800 that would make us increasingly and truly necessary

00:13:13.360 if such independence were pursued,

00:13:16.440 and make of the next 100 years

00:13:19.880 Canada's triumph

00:13:20.840 instead of the story of contemptible,

00:13:23.240 self-aggrandizing, moralistic,

00:13:25.900 falsely green, and socialist demise.

00:13:28.260 Now, that's quite harsh,

00:13:30.360 well-written, but quite harsh.

00:13:32.660 I actually think Jordan Peterson

00:13:34.620 is right on the money here.

00:13:36.060 I think we should take this

00:13:36.880 as an opportunity to reflect,

00:13:38.680 look at our country,

00:13:39.640 which is failing

00:13:40.280 because of the socialistic policies,

00:13:42.600 the woke socialism brought on

00:13:44.020 by Prime Minister Justin Trudeau,

00:13:45.580 and take this as an opportunity

00:13:46.880 to really turn our country around.

00:13:48.900 I mean, we may not even have the choice.

00:13:50.540 We have to do that from an economic perspective,

00:13:53.460 probably from a military perspective,

00:13:54.840 if Canada wants to truly survive as a nation.

00:13:58.260 What do you make of all this, Tom?

00:13:59.820 Well, yeah, I mean, I would agree

00:14:00.960 in broad outline with what he's saying.

00:14:03.080 As far as the anti-Americanism goes,

00:14:09.360 yeah, it's not a big deal in Alberta.

00:14:12.860 I have experienced it a couple of times

00:14:14.640 in my own life,

00:14:16.660 but, you know, these were just twits

00:14:18.720 that I didn't take too seriously.

00:14:22.360 It is more common in the East.

00:14:24.840 People aren't even really aware of it in Ontario.

00:14:27.620 It's just, I think in Eastern Canada,

00:14:31.840 it's very deeply rooted,

00:14:33.500 probably goes back to the American Revolution

00:14:35.340 and foundation of Canada by the Loyalists

00:14:37.980 who were exiles from the United States.

00:14:41.440 Well, they're not fully responsible

00:14:43.220 for the foundation of Canada,

00:14:44.680 but a very large element in it.

00:14:47.420 So it's a long tradition there.

00:14:50.980 Yeah, it comes with the territory, so to speak.

00:14:53.180 Like, as most Americans are not aware of it, though,

00:14:59.420 you don't become aware of it

00:15:01.140 unless you spend some time in Ontario.

00:15:05.960 I mean, if you're just a tourist

00:15:06.940 and you go to Toronto and you say,

00:15:08.820 hey, nice, or at least you used to say,

00:15:11.100 nice, clean city and so on.

00:15:14.360 Now, on the treatment of Alberta, yes,

00:15:16.240 I think that, you know, that's true.

00:15:19.640 Of course, I did a whole book about it recently

00:15:21.340 together with Jack Mintz and Ted Morton.

00:15:24.880 Our major industries have been treated

00:15:27.300 very badly by Canada.

00:15:31.700 But you have to distinguish

00:15:33.580 on this kind of issue,

00:15:36.720 both with Alberta and with

00:15:38.920 attitudes towards the United States.

00:15:42.800 It's quite different under a liberal government

00:15:45.100 and a conservative government.

00:15:46.880 Under Mulroney and under Harper,

00:15:48.760 Canada acted in a very friendly way

00:15:52.600 towards the United States,

00:15:54.040 cultivated good personal relations

00:15:55.760 with presidents,

00:15:57.740 supported American policies,

00:16:00.980 at least talked about a greater

00:16:03.820 military contribution.

00:16:05.700 Not sure it was real,

00:16:06.760 but they talked about it.

00:16:08.060 So it's the liberals going back

00:16:10.620 to Pierre Trudeau.

00:16:13.060 He was the first one

00:16:14.820 to sort of openly

00:16:19.420 talk about distancing Canada

00:16:21.780 from the United States.

00:16:23.960 It actually didn't amount to anything.

00:16:26.340 He wasn't able to do it,

00:16:27.520 but he talked about it.

00:16:28.460 It probably created some antagonism there.

00:16:31.580 And with Chrétien

00:16:32.620 and now with Trudeau Jr.,

00:16:35.780 there's been a pattern

00:16:36.720 of not supporting the U.S.

00:16:40.000 at key times

00:16:40.780 or making slighting comments,

00:16:44.080 which you did not see

00:16:45.240 under conservative governments.

00:16:49.700 Now, just a historical footnote here.

00:16:52.160 This is ancient history,

00:16:53.300 maybe, for many of our watchers.

00:16:55.260 But this reverses

00:16:57.440 an older historical pattern.

00:17:00.760 Up until Trudeau,

00:17:06.420 it was conservatives

00:17:07.560 who were perhaps more negative

00:17:11.820 about the United States

00:17:12.920 and liberals who historically

00:17:15.300 were more favorable.

00:17:16.960 I mean, a good example

00:17:17.680 would be Diefenbaker

00:17:19.120 refusing to take

00:17:20.240 the nuclear missiles

00:17:23.080 and Pearson doing it.

00:17:26.800 So Trudeau flipped the script.

00:17:30.080 And since then,

00:17:30.800 it's been the liberals

00:17:31.580 who've been more antagonistic

00:17:33.460 towards the United States.

00:17:34.980 If we get a conservative government,

00:17:37.140 that pattern will change, I think.

00:17:40.940 Well, I hope so,

00:17:41.840 because, I mean,

00:17:43.240 not that I agree

00:17:44.160 with everything Trump says,

00:17:45.280 but I think he raises

00:17:46.440 some good points

00:17:47.000 when it comes to Canada's

00:17:47.920 lack of commitment

00:17:48.600 to securing our border,

00:17:50.680 the issue with fentanyl,

00:17:51.740 the issue with people

00:17:52.760 on terrorist watch lists,

00:17:53.800 known terrorists

00:17:54.440 sneaking into the United States

00:17:55.940 from Canada.

00:17:56.740 Why were they lending

00:17:57.320 into Canada in the first place?

00:17:58.880 I think that the focus

00:17:59.600 needs to be, Tom,

00:18:00.740 on fixing these problems

00:18:02.040 and pulling our own weight

00:18:03.460 militarily,

00:18:04.560 rather than the approach

00:18:06.460 that the Trudeau government

00:18:07.900 is taking.

00:18:09.320 So we'll talk about this now.

00:18:11.980 First of all,

00:18:12.760 we have Trump's

00:18:13.740 new press secretary,

00:18:15.240 Caroline Levitt,

00:18:16.560 confirming that the U.S.

00:18:17.580 does still plan

00:18:18.500 to implement tariffs

00:18:19.680 on Canada on February 1st.

00:18:21.940 Here she was yesterday 0.91

00:18:22.780 making it crystal clear.

00:18:25.100 Can you give us an update

00:18:26.040 on the president's plan

00:18:27.080 for his tariff agenda?

00:18:28.700 He spoke a lot about this

00:18:29.800 yesterday,

00:18:30.420 and there's a couple of dates

00:18:31.320 coming up that he's spoken to.

00:18:33.100 Number one, February 1st,

00:18:34.340 he's alluded to both

00:18:35.040 the potential for Canada

00:18:35.900 and Mexico,

00:18:36.900 but also China

00:18:37.620 to take effect on those days.

00:18:39.900 What's he thinking about that?

00:18:42.240 Should those countries

00:18:43.060 expect that?

00:18:43.620 Again, he was asked

00:18:44.520 and answered this question

00:18:45.400 this past weekend

00:18:46.160 when he took a lot of questions

00:18:48.000 from the press,

00:18:48.600 and he said

00:18:49.240 that the February 1st

00:18:50.440 date for Canada

00:18:51.800 and Mexico still holds.

00:18:54.020 So February 1st

00:18:54.720 still holds,

00:18:55.320 and in response,

00:18:55.880 we saw this story

00:18:56.620 on Tuesday

00:18:57.880 in the Globe and Mail.

00:18:58.520 We covered this a little bit

00:18:59.240 on our podcast yesterday,

00:19:00.360 but we'll talk about it again.

00:19:02.100 According to the Globe and Mail,

00:19:03.280 Ottawa is planning

00:19:04.260 pandemic-level relief

00:19:06.080 for workers

00:19:06.840 and businesses

00:19:07.900 if Trump imposes

00:19:09.420 his tariffs,

00:19:10.280 sources say.

00:19:10.980 So the federal government

00:19:11.580 is planning a multi-billion-dollar

00:19:13.740 pandemic-style bailout

00:19:15.480 for workers and businesses

00:19:16.700 if U.S. President Donald Trump

00:19:18.080 follows through

00:19:19.100 on this threat

00:19:19.800 to impose a 25% tariff

00:19:21.360 on Canada

00:19:22.280 as early as this weekend.

00:19:25.240 This is shocking to me, Tom,

00:19:27.300 because it's like

00:19:28.580 these liberals

00:19:29.160 don't learn anything, right?

00:19:30.820 Rather than taking a look

00:19:32.340 at the issues

00:19:32.860 that Trump is highlighting

00:19:33.640 very clearly,

00:19:34.900 they go right

00:19:35.620 to this knee-jerk reaction

00:19:36.720 like we'll have

00:19:37.200 a national program,

00:19:38.300 we'll just print more money,

00:19:39.480 borrow more money,

00:19:40.040 exactly what they did

00:19:40.820 during the pandemic.

00:19:41.760 They even had the Globe and Mail

00:19:43.560 use that pandemic-level relief.

00:19:46.400 Like, that's not just

00:19:46.960 a conservative talking point.

00:19:48.380 That's what they're saying,

00:19:49.460 that they want to bring back CERB.

00:19:50.960 They want to start paying people

00:19:52.400 to stay at home

00:19:53.820 if they're economically impacted.

00:19:56.440 Canada's broke.

00:19:57.200 We don't have the money.

00:19:58.080 I mean,

00:19:58.660 we'll show this graph

00:19:59.880 for eight years.

00:20:00.960 Every Canadian now owes 0.99

00:20:02.180 $29,253.

00:20:05.440 This is a post

00:20:06.220 from Pierre Polyev.

00:20:07.400 Just look at the debt.

00:20:08.580 Look at our national debt.

00:20:09.940 Look at how it's gone up

00:20:10.960 since Justin Trudeau

00:20:12.160 was elected.

00:20:12.520 It basically doubled

00:20:13.460 during COVID

00:20:14.100 and continues to flail

00:20:15.640 out of control,

00:20:16.860 spiraling.

00:20:19.720 And because of it,

00:20:20.900 we have an absolute crisis

00:20:22.160 of inflation,

00:20:23.340 cost of living,

00:20:24.780 because the government

00:20:25.660 has borrowed so much,

00:20:26.900 printed so much money

00:20:27.820 and flooded the money supply.

00:20:29.200 So it's baffling to me

00:20:30.360 that they would go

00:20:32.140 with this approach.

00:20:33.600 Not surprising.

00:20:34.400 I think that,

00:20:35.340 you know,

00:20:35.860 rather than try to fix

00:20:36.780 our national security

00:20:37.540 or immigration

00:20:38.200 and make a deal with Trump,

00:20:41.020 Trudeau will always go back

00:20:43.200 to some grandos

00:20:44.600 government plan.

00:20:47.260 What did you make

00:20:48.300 of this report

00:20:49.120 and what do you think

00:20:49.800 about this reaction here?

00:20:52.440 Well,

00:20:52.780 a few points.

00:20:53.540 Number one,

00:20:53.920 these clowns don't need

00:20:54.920 much incentive

00:20:55.580 to spend a lot of money.

00:20:58.300 It's kind of a natural

00:20:59.520 response for them.

00:21:02.600 Secondly,

00:21:03.080 it could only be

00:21:05.680 a short-term

00:21:06.560 response,

00:21:08.420 Canada.

00:21:08.780 We can't possibly

00:21:09.500 afford to do this

00:21:10.260 for years.

00:21:12.060 Yes,

00:21:12.520 if you were trying

00:21:13.180 to get over

00:21:13.720 a difficult period

00:21:16.160 of a few months,

00:21:17.540 maybe you could consider

00:21:18.500 something like that,

00:21:19.300 but it can't possibly

00:21:20.980 work in the long run.

00:21:22.940 And third,

00:21:24.660 it may well

00:21:27.500 just be

00:21:27.940 an election

00:21:29.340 thing.

00:21:30.400 the Liberals,

00:21:33.320 like at the moment,

00:21:34.720 they have nothing

00:21:35.480 to run on.

00:21:37.180 You know,

00:21:37.560 they're defending

00:21:38.080 a record,

00:21:38.840 which is a record

00:21:40.080 of failure

00:21:41.420 to a large degree.

00:21:44.060 They're trying

00:21:44.840 to repudiate

00:21:45.600 parts of it,

00:21:47.040 like the capital

00:21:48.060 gains tax

00:21:48.880 and the increase

00:21:49.880 in the capital

00:21:50.340 gains tax

00:21:50.960 and the carbon tax.

00:21:52.660 But this would give

00:21:53.460 them something positive

00:21:54.380 to run on.

00:21:56.100 You know,

00:21:56.500 we're defending

00:21:57.600 Canada

00:21:58.160 we're going

00:22:00.980 to help you.

00:22:02.660 So it appeals

00:22:03.800 to

00:22:04.260 some of the

00:22:06.320 baser instincts 0.86

00:22:07.160 of the

00:22:07.820 of the electorate.

00:22:11.020 You know,

00:22:11.240 it's almost jingoistic.

00:22:13.480 This is the way

00:22:14.440 we defend Canada.

00:22:16.880 And,

00:22:17.120 you know,

00:22:18.120 and it appeals

00:22:18.640 to the widespread

00:22:19.300 desire to get

00:22:20.160 something for nothing.

00:22:21.420 Government handing

00:22:22.220 out money.

00:22:23.620 You know,

00:22:23.900 isn't that great?

00:22:24.640 I got a check

00:22:25.220 from the government

00:22:25.820 the other day.

00:22:26.360 I'm not quite sure

00:22:27.040 why.

00:22:28.000 I think maybe

00:22:28.540 it was a carbon tax

00:22:29.420 rebate.

00:22:29.960 But I said,

00:22:31.560 what a great guy,

00:22:32.280 Justin Trudeau.

00:22:32.940 He's always

00:22:33.260 sending me money.

00:22:34.780 So I actually,

00:22:37.240 maybe I'm cynical

00:22:38.060 as a political

00:22:39.440 scientist,

00:22:40.220 ex-campaign manager,

00:22:41.500 but I would see

00:22:42.720 this as primarily

00:22:43.740 an election ploy.

00:22:46.720 Gives me something

00:22:47.300 positive to run on.

00:22:49.200 Yeah,

00:22:49.560 perhaps.

00:22:50.140 You're right.

00:22:50.540 What a sad state

00:22:51.140 of affairs,

00:22:51.700 though,

00:22:51.900 that Canadians,

00:22:53.220 the liberals

00:22:54.080 think that of Canadians 0.99

00:22:55.100 and that there's

00:22:55.540 Canadians out there.

00:22:56.360 Who would,

00:22:57.280 you know,

00:22:58.160 happily just

00:22:58.920 be locked down

00:23:00.320 again,

00:23:00.640 essentially,

00:23:01.200 and take money

00:23:01.860 from the government

00:23:02.300 knowing what it did

00:23:03.340 to our economy

00:23:04.200 in the wake of COVID.

00:23:06.420 This is probably

00:23:07.040 the most worrying

00:23:07.740 element of it all.

00:23:08.680 We had NDP leader

00:23:09.740 Jagmeet Singh,

00:23:11.440 just an absolute

00:23:12.420 disgrace here.

00:23:14.220 But he basically

00:23:15.700 indicated that he

00:23:16.900 might be willing

00:23:17.540 to continue to

00:23:18.520 prop up the

00:23:19.260 liberal government

00:23:19.880 to pass this

00:23:21.520 government work

00:23:22.600 relief program.

00:23:24.160 It's just unbelievable

00:23:25.280 that this person

00:23:26.120 holds a balance

00:23:26.620 of power in Canada.

00:23:27.820 Let's play this clip.

00:23:30.280 If Trump follows

00:23:30.840 through on his plan

00:23:31.720 with tariffs,

00:23:32.360 would you keep

00:23:32.800 the liberals

00:23:33.240 in power

00:23:33.880 and allow for

00:23:34.940 the passage

00:23:35.420 of a work

00:23:35.980 relief program

00:23:36.720 before supporting

00:23:37.680 a non-confidence

00:23:38.640 motion?

00:23:40.060 I'll just start

00:23:40.900 off by the fact

00:23:42.160 that I've spoken

00:23:42.800 with a lot of

00:23:43.300 workers who are

00:23:44.380 deeply worried

00:23:45.260 about what the

00:23:46.480 Trump terrorist

00:23:47.000 might mean.

00:23:48.140 They say,

00:23:49.320 you know,

00:23:49.480 sometimes I lay

00:23:50.760 awake at night

00:23:51.300 saying,

00:23:51.520 if that tariff

00:23:52.240 goes through,

00:23:52.660 do I lose my

00:23:53.120 job?

00:23:53.660 And what's

00:23:54.000 going to happen

00:23:54.340 to my kids?

00:23:55.160 What's going

00:23:55.460 to happen

00:23:55.620 to my family?

00:23:56.940 When we think

00:23:57.460 about the analysis

00:23:58.260 that's out there,

00:23:59.060 if those Trump

00:23:59.680 tariffs come in

00:24:00.520 place,

00:24:01.380 there are hundreds

00:24:02.620 and thousands

00:24:03.360 of Canadian

00:24:03.840 jobs at risk.

00:24:05.480 Think about

00:24:06.000 what that means

00:24:06.600 for those workers,

00:24:07.760 hundreds of thousands

00:24:08.420 of workers,

00:24:09.100 for their families,

00:24:10.140 for those communities.

00:24:11.480 This could be

00:24:12.280 devastating for our

00:24:13.380 country.

00:24:14.400 So we do need

00:24:15.800 to have a plan

00:24:16.300 in place to support

00:24:17.340 those that are

00:24:18.320 impacted,

00:24:19.020 those businesses,

00:24:19.880 those workers,

00:24:20.400 most importantly.

00:24:20.940 I have not had

00:24:22.320 any conversations

00:24:23.040 with other

00:24:23.640 opposition leaders.

00:24:24.720 I think we need

00:24:25.380 to come together

00:24:25.900 to have a discussion

00:24:26.500 about what is

00:24:27.100 the best way

00:24:27.440 forward.

00:24:28.120 I've not had

00:24:28.680 any discussions

00:24:29.260 with the government

00:24:29.800 related to this.

00:24:31.840 If there is any

00:24:32.940 desire to move forward,

00:24:34.000 the government

00:24:34.340 should call us

00:24:34.960 together,

00:24:35.740 like we did

00:24:36.260 during COVID,

00:24:37.380 and discuss a plan

00:24:38.580 that supports workers.

00:24:40.540 So he's willing

00:24:41.480 to discuss a plan.

00:24:42.900 He leaves the door

00:24:43.600 wide open there

00:24:44.360 for the idea

00:24:45.100 of further propping

00:24:46.200 up Justin Trudeau

00:24:47.520 and his failed

00:24:47.920 Liberal government.

00:24:48.940 Thomas is so infuriating

00:24:49.980 because we finally

00:24:50.840 heard from him

00:24:52.300 in late December

00:24:53.000 saying enough is enough.

00:24:54.500 We will pull the plug

00:24:55.240 on this government.

00:24:55.860 It doesn't matter.

00:24:56.540 We're done.

00:24:57.540 And then here you have

00:24:58.200 Jagmeet Singh

00:24:58.660 just a month later

00:24:59.740 out there saying,

00:25:00.680 well, we have to have

00:25:01.440 a meeting.

00:25:01.780 We have to talk.

00:25:02.680 I got an email

00:25:03.280 from a Conservative

00:25:04.340 party operative

00:25:05.240 that pointed out

00:25:06.160 to me that this,

00:25:07.460 that Jagmeet Singh

00:25:08.980 and the NDP

00:25:09.440 voted in confidence

00:25:10.800 for the Liberals

00:25:11.800 eight times

00:25:12.700 since he supposedly

00:25:13.820 ripped up his

00:25:14.460 Supply and Confidence

00:25:15.060 agreement

00:25:15.460 in September.

00:25:17.060 He had propped

00:25:17.940 them up 11 times

00:25:18.760 prior to the

00:25:19.500 Supply and Confidence

00:25:20.100 agreement.

00:25:20.740 So a total

00:25:21.360 of 286 times

00:25:24.060 since the 21 election

00:25:25.520 that Jagmeet Singh

00:25:26.660 has propped up

00:25:28.400 the Liberals.

00:25:30.780 You know,

00:25:31.440 the idea that the Liberals

00:25:32.960 have prorogued

00:25:33.440 Parliament as well,

00:25:34.420 like,

00:25:34.840 you should vote

00:25:36.020 on something like this,

00:25:37.140 but we can't vote on it

00:25:38.140 because they prorogued

00:25:38.840 Parliament for seven weeks.

00:25:40.580 So even in the

00:25:42.100 Global Mail story

00:25:42.860 itself,

00:25:43.700 it said that

00:25:44.740 this would require

00:25:46.780 legislative approval

00:25:48.060 and the legislature

00:25:49.120 won't resume

00:25:49.840 until March 24th.

00:25:51.400 So it's supposedly

00:25:52.260 an emergency,

00:25:53.600 yet at the same time

00:25:54.960 they have to prorogued

00:25:55.660 the Parliament

00:25:56.080 to have a leadership

00:25:56.980 race so we can't 1.00

00:25:57.920 vote on this.

00:25:58.780 Like,

00:25:59.020 which one is it,

00:25:59.720 right?

00:26:00.080 And then you have

00:26:00.920 NDP leader there

00:26:02.740 just continuing

00:26:04.560 to prop up

00:26:05.200 this shambles,

00:26:06.040 this government

00:26:06.840 in shambles.

00:26:07.880 What do you make

00:26:08.400 of all this,

00:26:08.940 Tom?

00:26:09.000 Yeah.

00:26:09.160 You know,

00:26:09.980 there's one other

00:26:10.520 point I should have

00:26:11.240 made.

00:26:12.120 We actually have

00:26:13.400 a short-term

00:26:15.020 emergency program

00:26:16.360 in place.

00:26:17.020 It's called

00:26:17.340 Employment Insurance.

00:26:19.060 All these workers

00:26:20.180 that Mr. Singh

00:26:21.780 is talking about,

00:26:23.420 they're all covered

00:26:24.740 by Employment Insurance.

00:26:26.120 We have a very

00:26:26.820 generous program.

00:26:28.420 This will,

00:26:30.120 it won't go on

00:26:30.820 for years,

00:26:31.540 but it will cover them,

00:26:32.680 it will give them

00:26:33.180 relief for months,

00:26:35.840 several months,

00:26:36.660 close to a year,

00:26:37.440 depending on how long

00:26:38.520 they've been working.

00:26:39.740 So,

00:26:40.340 there's no need

00:26:41.880 to panic

00:26:42.560 over the condition

00:26:44.440 of workers.

00:26:45.540 I mean,

00:26:45.760 nobody wants

00:26:46.840 to see layoffs.

00:26:48.260 I certainly don't,

00:26:49.160 and it would be sad

00:26:49.920 for those who are

00:26:51.080 laid off,

00:26:51.660 but it's not like

00:26:53.220 they're thrown

00:26:53.600 into a breadline

00:26:54.440 immediately.

00:26:55.320 We have this program

00:26:56.460 in place.

00:26:58.060 So,

00:26:58.700 Employment Insurance,

00:27:00.040 excuse me,

00:27:00.660 gives us time

00:27:01.420 to consider

00:27:02.740 what the actual

00:27:04.640 long-term response

00:27:05.800 should be.

00:27:07.040 So,

00:27:07.300 they're creating

00:27:07.900 a false emergency

00:27:10.460 as an excuse

00:27:11.980 to shovel out

00:27:12.860 a lot of money

00:27:13.500 as an election tactic.

00:27:16.080 And Jagmeet wants 0.95

00:27:17.240 to get on the bandwagon

00:27:18.460 here.

00:27:19.600 You know,

00:27:20.200 that's what the NDP

00:27:20.960 does is give away money

00:27:22.760 and wrap up

00:27:24.360 nationalist concerns

00:27:25.360 about the United States.

00:27:26.940 So,

00:27:27.140 it's a perfect thing

00:27:28.340 to,

00:27:29.440 I mean,

00:27:29.800 it's really quite clever

00:27:30.980 when I think about it,

00:27:31.880 to get the NDP

00:27:33.260 back on side

00:27:34.200 and

00:27:35.180 to run a campaign

00:27:37.700 and I promise

00:27:38.280 to give away

00:27:38.820 a lot of money

00:27:39.460 and stop

00:27:42.180 the big bad Americans. 0.91

00:27:43.500 So,

00:27:44.200 as a piece

00:27:46.660 of electioneering,

00:27:47.780 it might have legs, 0.99

00:27:49.420 you know,

00:27:49.600 we're going to have to see.

00:27:51.220 I just,

00:27:51.720 I can't,

00:27:52.080 I can't understand

00:27:52.760 what's motivating

00:27:53.700 Jagmeet Singh

00:27:54.420 after all of this.

00:27:55.300 I mean,

00:27:55.600 we had

00:27:56.440 an NDP operative

00:27:58.240 come on the show

00:27:58.900 earlier this week

00:28:00.080 to talk about

00:28:00.940 the movement

00:28:01.620 to get rid of Jagmeet Singh

00:28:02.560 or at least

00:28:03.120 to make him

00:28:04.160 force an election

00:28:04.980 because people

00:28:06.320 in the party

00:28:06.720 are so dissatisfied

00:28:07.460 with this continuing

00:28:08.800 propping up

00:28:09.440 of a failed

00:28:09.880 liberal government.

00:28:11.220 You know,

00:28:11.400 the electioneering

00:28:12.780 element

00:28:13.260 would show

00:28:14.540 something that

00:28:15.540 would benefit

00:28:15.960 the liberals

00:28:16.580 in an election,

00:28:17.760 not the NDP.

00:28:18.760 I still don't understand

00:28:19.760 what's motivating him

00:28:21.000 to continue to prop this up

00:28:22.140 other than

00:28:22.600 perhaps he thinks

00:28:23.480 that he's going to

00:28:24.040 lose his job

00:28:24.800 after the election.

00:28:25.780 What do you think?

00:28:26.760 Well,

00:28:27.100 I mean,

00:28:28.080 the cynical thing

00:28:28.780 is he wants to

00:28:30.080 stay in parliament

00:28:31.020 long enough

00:28:31.580 to get the pension.

00:28:33.640 I doubt that's true,

00:28:35.020 but anyway,

00:28:35.860 the cynics say that.

00:28:37.360 But yeah,

00:28:38.500 you're right.

00:28:39.520 Historically,

00:28:40.800 the NDP

00:28:41.520 does better

00:28:42.460 at elections

00:28:44.340 when the liberals

00:28:45.040 do worse

00:28:45.800 and the conservatives

00:28:46.760 do better.

00:28:47.940 The NDP

00:28:48.420 also usually

00:28:49.400 goes up

00:28:50.100 under that set

00:28:51.360 of circumstances.

00:28:52.580 So if he props

00:28:53.720 up the liberals,

00:28:54.380 he may well be

00:28:55.380 undercutting himself.

00:28:58.100 But he's done

00:28:59.180 so many

00:28:59.780 incomprehensible

00:29:01.340 things to me

00:29:02.000 over the years.

00:29:02.800 I just don't know

00:29:04.200 how shrewd

00:29:04.800 a tactician he is,

00:29:06.560 whether he

00:29:07.160 really understands

00:29:09.500 the dynamics here.

00:29:11.900 I just don't think

00:29:13.020 he represents

00:29:13.560 the people

00:29:14.100 in his party anymore.

00:29:15.360 It seems pretty clear

00:29:16.080 to me I'm surprised

00:29:16.720 that they haven't axed him

00:29:17.920 or found a way

00:29:18.580 to have a leadership review

00:29:19.500 because I've heard

00:29:20.160 from a lot of

00:29:21.000 dissatisfied NDP voters.

00:29:22.960 Interestingly,

00:29:23.580 we had

00:29:23.840 Bloc Quebecois leader

00:29:25.080 Yves-France Blanchet

00:29:26.060 come out

00:29:27.180 with the right

00:29:27.600 decision here

00:29:28.500 with the right

00:29:29.120 line.

00:29:30.020 He says that he

00:29:30.660 would absolutely

00:29:31.260 reject

00:29:31.880 government relief

00:29:33.120 program

00:29:33.580 and that he

00:29:35.180 would not

00:29:35.720 support this

00:29:37.000 if there were

00:29:37.560 a vote.

00:29:37.900 So let's play

00:29:38.280 that clip.

00:29:40.100 There's talk

00:29:40.920 today of the

00:29:41.500 government

00:29:41.740 presenting a

00:29:42.540 bailout package

00:29:43.580 for people

00:29:44.340 affected by

00:29:45.440 tariffs,

00:29:46.340 by American

00:29:46.900 tariffs.

00:29:47.520 Would you

00:29:47.780 support the

00:29:48.400 government

00:29:48.640 in the

00:29:48.940 House of Commons

00:29:49.600 if they were

00:29:50.160 to present

00:29:50.420 such a thing?

00:29:50.920 I see no way

00:29:52.100 I would support

00:29:52.780 any astuce

00:29:53.760 of the

00:29:54.600 government.

00:29:55.340 I suggest

00:29:56.120 I believe

00:29:57.660 that the

00:29:58.160 intention

00:29:58.540 would be

00:29:58.980 to create

00:29:59.620 a context

00:30:00.320 in which

00:30:00.880 the government

00:30:01.380 would get

00:30:02.900 one week

00:30:03.460 or two weeks

00:30:04.540 or three weeks

00:30:05.980 and then

00:30:06.960 they remain

00:30:07.620 there longer

00:30:08.680 than supposed

00:30:09.920 through hell

00:30:11.880 in terms

00:30:12.900 of parliamentary

00:30:13.920 work.

00:30:14.860 If the

00:30:15.680 liberals

00:30:16.000 want things

00:30:17.340 to become

00:30:17.920 clear

00:30:18.420 and want

00:30:19.300 to help

00:30:19.820 people

00:30:20.520 they should

00:30:21.700 simply

00:30:22.300 start the

00:30:24.180 election sooner.

00:30:25.820 Nothing

00:30:26.180 prevents Mr.

00:30:27.400 Carney or

00:30:27.940 Mrs. Freeland

00:30:28.780 when this

00:30:29.820 person is

00:30:30.420 selected as

00:30:31.140 the leader

00:30:31.560 of the

00:30:31.920 liberals

00:30:32.260 to say

00:30:33.300 on March

00:30:34.580 10th

00:30:35.080 that we

00:30:36.080 are going

00:30:36.520 into election

00:30:37.200 we have

00:30:38.620 improved the

00:30:39.260 situation

00:30:39.640 by two

00:30:40.200 weeks

00:30:40.620 but I'm

00:30:42.400 not getting

00:30:43.080 into any

00:30:44.000 tricks.

00:30:46.740 So

00:30:47.300 you know

00:30:47.960 he almost

00:30:48.880 said similar

00:30:49.660 to what

00:30:50.000 you said

00:30:50.360 that they're

00:30:50.800 kind of

00:30:51.380 manufacturing

00:30:51.920 an emergency

00:30:52.440 here to

00:30:53.020 just prolong

00:30:53.760 their ability

00:30:54.800 to stay

00:30:55.240 in office.

00:30:56.380 It looks

00:30:56.760 like according

00:30:57.560 to recent

00:30:58.120 polling Tom

00:30:58.960 Abacus

00:30:59.980 had Mark

00:31:00.900 Carney is

00:31:01.940 basically

00:31:02.300 going to

00:31:02.620 run away

00:31:02.960 with this

00:31:03.340 thing that

00:31:04.440 liberal

00:31:04.880 voters

00:31:05.600 see him

00:31:07.540 much more

00:31:07.960 favorably.

00:31:08.640 He's very

00:31:09.280 high in

00:31:10.060 the polls

00:31:10.500 viewing

00:31:12.000 liberal

00:31:13.440 supporters

00:31:13.880 view him

00:31:14.260 64%

00:31:15.220 favorability

00:31:16.220 so it

00:31:17.060 looks like

00:31:17.400 he will

00:31:17.840 be

00:31:18.180 the

00:31:18.700 shoe

00:31:18.880 in.

00:31:19.140 I don't

00:31:19.280 know

00:31:19.500 I've

00:31:19.840 been

00:31:19.960 hearing

00:31:20.260 a lot

00:31:20.760 of

00:31:21.000 conspiratorial

00:31:22.140 thinking

00:31:22.540 about how

00:31:23.860 they could

00:31:24.260 cynically

00:31:24.840 push back

00:31:25.480 the election

00:31:25.920 even further

00:31:26.580 and I would

00:31:27.320 say conspiratorially

00:31:28.060 except for

00:31:28.540 very credible

00:31:29.820 mainstream voices

00:31:30.580 have also been

00:31:31.180 saying it like

00:31:31.760 Sean Speier had

00:31:32.340 a piece

00:31:32.660 in the hub

00:31:33.380 outlining

00:31:33.800 this.

00:31:34.360 Hamish 0.84

00:31:34.620 Marshall was

00:31:35.120 on my

00:31:35.460 podcast

00:31:36.000 last week

00:31:36.520 and he

00:31:36.880 outlined

00:31:37.100 this idea

00:31:37.900 that we

00:31:39.000 think that

00:31:39.600 we should

00:31:39.860 have an

00:31:40.100 election

00:31:40.380 in March

00:31:41.420 or April

00:31:42.300 or May

00:31:42.760 because that's

00:31:43.280 what Jagmeet

00:31:43.700 thing said

00:31:44.180 the election

00:31:44.900 deadline

00:31:45.440 isn't until

00:31:46.840 October

00:31:47.560 so you think

00:31:48.200 October could

00:31:49.340 be the latest

00:31:50.000 but that's not

00:31:51.140 actually the case

00:31:51.860 because when you

00:31:52.980 look at the

00:31:53.560 Constitution Act

00:31:54.800 it basically

00:31:56.540 just says that

00:31:57.120 there's no

00:31:57.500 maximum duration

00:31:58.400 of legislative

00:31:59.620 bodies

00:32:00.040 and that

00:32:01.400 the Constitution

00:32:02.440 lays out

00:32:03.160 that the

00:32:03.620 legislature

00:32:04.160 that the

00:32:05.340 election should

00:32:05.940 happen every

00:32:06.760 five years

00:32:07.620 so I've

00:32:09.180 been getting

00:32:09.620 a chain

00:32:11.440 letter

00:32:11.800 forwarded to

00:32:13.100 me a couple

00:32:13.540 of times

00:32:14.020 with somebody

00:32:15.020 really just

00:32:15.540 laying this

00:32:16.080 all out

00:32:16.580 saying that

00:32:18.140 there could

00:32:19.860 be an

00:32:20.060 emergency

00:32:20.460 using emergency

00:32:22.320 powers

00:32:22.820 the government

00:32:23.280 could defer

00:32:24.940 the next

00:32:25.340 election

00:32:25.860 until October

00:32:27.020 2026

00:32:27.860 because under

00:32:28.420 both Section

00:32:29.220 50 of the

00:32:29.680 Constitution Act

00:32:30.380 of 1867

00:32:32.020 and Section

00:32:32.540 4 of the

00:32:33.060 Canadian

00:32:33.300 Charter of

00:32:33.600 Rights and

00:32:33.900 Freedoms

00:32:34.400 say that

00:32:35.920 we could

00:32:36.840 so you know

00:32:37.920 you're a

00:32:38.360 political

00:32:38.540 scientist

00:32:39.140 Tom

00:32:39.960 can you

00:32:41.380 help us

00:32:41.620 make sense

00:32:41.980 of this

00:32:42.160 is it

00:32:42.420 possible

00:32:42.760 do you

00:32:43.180 see a

00:32:43.640 scenario

00:32:43.980 where the

00:32:44.620 liberals

00:32:44.860 could do

00:32:45.300 this

00:32:45.500 and is

00:32:45.800 it legal

00:32:46.140 if they

00:32:46.440 were to

00:32:46.680 try something

00:32:47.120 like this

00:32:47.680 well certainly

00:32:48.800 legal

00:32:49.180 yeah no

00:32:50.100 question that

00:32:50.600 it's legal

00:32:51.000 there would

00:32:53.640 be presumably

00:32:55.300 some political

00:32:55.940 cost to

00:32:57.520 going back

00:32:58.420 on your

00:32:58.840 word

00:32:59.400 so they

00:33:01.520 would be

00:33:02.000 excuse me

00:33:02.900 trying to

00:33:03.800 take a

00:33:04.700 balance there

00:33:05.340 of plus

00:33:06.400 and negative

00:33:07.300 Carney yes

00:33:09.980 he's going

00:33:10.320 to win the

00:33:10.920 liberal

00:33:11.860 leadership

00:33:12.280 race

00:33:12.720 you know

00:33:14.960 this guy

00:33:15.540 he looks

00:33:16.400 right out

00:33:17.260 of central

00:33:17.720 casting

00:33:18.180 as they

00:33:18.660 say

00:33:18.940 when I

00:33:19.740 see a

00:33:20.060 picture of

00:33:20.540 Carney

00:33:20.880 on the

00:33:22.020 front page

00:33:22.740 I almost

00:33:23.800 want to vote

00:33:24.320 for him

00:33:24.900 until I think

00:33:26.600 about what he

00:33:27.140 represents

00:33:27.560 he just looks

00:33:29.240 so much like

00:33:30.160 a prime

00:33:30.520 minister

00:33:30.880 and that's a

00:33:33.280 huge advantage

00:33:33.980 I mean look

00:33:35.260 at look at

00:33:35.640 what Justin

00:33:36.220 Trudeau was

00:33:36.800 able to do

00:33:37.400 with the

00:33:37.680 combination of

00:33:38.440 good looks

00:33:40.240 and a

00:33:40.620 sort of

00:33:41.400 pleasing

00:33:41.760 personality

00:33:42.540 so I

00:33:44.960 you know

00:33:45.260 I take

00:33:45.580 Carney pretty

00:33:46.120 seriously as

00:33:46.840 an opponent

00:33:47.260 and

00:33:48.240 that would

00:33:50.020 his strength

00:33:51.120 would probably

00:33:51.600 increase if he

00:33:52.400 could get

00:33:52.740 more time

00:33:53.500 so I can

00:33:55.440 certainly see

00:33:56.040 why

00:33:56.520 liberal

00:33:58.260 strategists

00:33:58.920 might be

00:33:59.340 thinking about

00:33:59.960 that and

00:34:00.840 if that's

00:34:02.800 the case

00:34:03.220 you could

00:34:03.540 interpret

00:34:03.980 this

00:34:04.480 bailout

00:34:05.680 policy

00:34:06.340 or the

00:34:06.940 COVID

00:34:07.280 pandemic

00:34:08.100 type of

00:34:08.720 bailout

00:34:09.120 as the

00:34:10.660 first step

00:34:11.260 in

00:34:13.140 that kind

00:34:16.140 of tactic

00:34:16.740 that you

00:34:17.160 know they

00:34:17.480 could say

00:34:17.980 okay now

00:34:19.160 we're helping

00:34:19.620 Canadians

00:34:20.140 we have to

00:34:20.920 stay in

00:34:21.220 power to

00:34:21.660 make sure

00:34:22.020 that this

00:34:22.420 help is

00:34:22.860 delivered

00:34:23.300 we're going

00:34:26.320 to go back

00:34:26.800 on the

00:34:27.260 idea of

00:34:28.200 the quick

00:34:28.460 election

00:34:28.820 because

00:34:29.200 conditions

00:34:29.720 have changed

00:34:30.180 so much

00:34:30.660 it's an

00:34:32.000 emergency

00:34:32.300 situation

00:34:33.060 you know

00:34:34.020 it's

00:34:34.380 the lines

00:34:35.080 almost

00:34:35.420 right

00:34:35.680 themselves

00:34:36.060 actually

00:34:36.540 so

00:34:37.460 you know

00:34:38.960 I can

00:34:39.740 see it

00:34:40.080 I don't

00:34:40.820 say it'll

00:34:41.180 happen

00:34:41.480 I'm sort

00:34:41.840 of out

00:34:42.080 of touch

00:34:42.440 with

00:34:42.740 politicians

00:34:43.920 I spent

00:34:45.700 years

00:34:46.020 hanging out

00:34:46.580 with politicians

00:34:47.240 so I

00:34:47.700 sort of

00:34:48.160 know how

00:34:48.460 they think

00:34:48.940 but I'm

00:34:50.380 out of

00:34:50.660 touch

00:34:50.860 now

00:34:51.180 so I

00:34:51.700 don't

00:34:52.140 know

00:34:52.540 whether

00:34:53.420 this will

00:34:53.940 happen

00:34:54.280 but I

00:34:54.700 it strikes

00:34:56.000 me as

00:34:56.560 a plausible

00:34:58.240 tactic

00:34:58.760 that the

00:34:59.220 liberal

00:34:59.560 deep

00:35:00.740 thinkers

00:35:01.080 might be

00:35:01.660 contemplating

00:35:02.380 incredibly

00:35:03.460 cynical

00:35:03.840 bad for

00:35:04.300 the country

00:35:04.800 but you're

00:35:05.940 right

00:35:06.160 that's just

00:35:06.920 the kind

00:35:07.220 of thinking

00:35:07.520 that fuels

00:35:08.380 the liberal

00:35:08.740 party

00:35:09.100 it's interesting

00:35:09.980 because Mark

00:35:10.400 Carney is not

00:35:11.100 a member of

00:35:11.620 parliament

00:35:11.820 he has never

00:35:12.240 been elected

00:35:12.740 he will be

00:35:13.720 selected by

00:35:14.560 the liberals

00:35:15.220 process that

00:35:16.600 has been

00:35:17.120 described as

00:35:17.780 incredibly

00:35:18.280 insecure

00:35:19.080 I mean

00:35:19.460 anyone can

00:35:19.980 join the

00:35:20.280 liberal

00:35:20.440 party

00:35:20.800 I don't

00:35:21.760 think you

00:35:22.080 even have

00:35:22.440 to be

00:35:22.640 a citizen

00:35:23.080 or a

00:35:24.620 resident

00:35:24.880 of Canada

00:35:25.420 to join

00:35:26.200 and you

00:35:27.380 don't have

00:35:27.580 to pay

00:35:27.820 anything

00:35:28.120 so there's

00:35:28.520 no barrier

00:35:29.080 we've

00:35:30.020 covered this

00:35:30.380 on the

00:35:30.540 show before

00:35:30.980 the tremendous

00:35:32.200 instability

00:35:33.380 that that

00:35:33.840 will come

00:35:34.480 interestingly

00:35:34.900 Tom

00:35:35.320 yesterday

00:35:35.740 the government

00:35:36.800 released its

00:35:37.660 foreign

00:35:38.160 interference

00:35:39.020 inquiry

00:35:39.860 the report

00:35:41.480 finding

00:35:42.060 basically found

00:35:42.820 that nobody

00:35:43.240 acted in

00:35:43.840 bad faith

00:35:44.400 and concluded

00:35:45.420 that rather

00:35:47.300 than

00:35:48.260 you know

00:35:49.760 focusing in

00:35:51.480 on the

00:35:51.900 potential

00:35:52.480 adversarial

00:35:53.980 states that

00:35:54.460 are funding

00:35:55.040 senators

00:35:55.780 and MPs

00:35:56.780 right

00:35:56.940 the interim

00:35:57.400 report warned

00:35:58.300 of MPs

00:35:58.820 and senators

00:35:59.280 who had

00:36:00.060 wittingly

00:36:00.580 collaborated

00:36:01.160 with foreign

00:36:01.760 government

00:36:02.180 now

00:36:03.420 basically the

00:36:04.600 report's coming

00:36:04.980 out saying

00:36:05.300 nothing to

00:36:05.660 see here

00:36:06.160 the only

00:36:06.980 thing that

00:36:07.440 the commissioner

00:36:07.980 Hoag found

00:36:08.780 was calling

00:36:09.900 for and

00:36:10.520 this shouldn't

00:36:11.720 be surprising

00:36:12.180 at all

00:36:12.460 a government

00:36:12.920 agency

00:36:13.480 to monitor

00:36:14.500 and regulate

00:36:15.300 online

00:36:15.940 misinformation

00:36:16.860 and disinformation

00:36:18.340 it's like

00:36:19.280 you know

00:36:20.260 that's the

00:36:20.900 solution to

00:36:21.480 everything

00:36:21.820 for these

00:36:22.340 people

00:36:22.640 like let's

00:36:23.140 censor

00:36:23.520 online discussion

00:36:24.620 even more

00:36:25.340 throwing these

00:36:26.560 accusations of

00:36:27.320 misinformation

00:36:27.900 and disinformation

00:36:28.820 words that don't

00:36:29.480 really mean

00:36:29.960 anything anymore

00:36:30.720 I've lost

00:36:32.200 complete faith

00:36:33.100 Tom

00:36:33.500 in these

00:36:34.540 central institutions

00:36:35.440 in the elites

00:36:36.320 that are running

00:36:36.720 our institutions

00:36:37.260 because even

00:36:37.840 alleged outsider

00:36:38.820 like this

00:36:39.560 commissioner

00:36:39.940 Hoag

00:36:40.260 comes to the

00:36:40.940 same conclusion

00:36:41.560 that Justin

00:36:42.000 Trudeau

00:36:42.340 would have

00:36:42.860 come to

00:36:43.280 which is

00:36:43.920 just it's

00:36:44.260 all these

00:36:44.880 like shadowy

00:36:45.800 right-wing

00:36:46.140 forces online

00:36:47.020 and we just

00:36:47.380 need to

00:36:47.740 censor

00:36:48.560 and regulate

00:36:49.060 even more

00:36:49.800 this is a

00:36:51.120 serious issue

00:36:51.680 that we have

00:36:52.200 potential

00:36:52.840 people

00:36:53.980 collaborating

00:36:54.540 with our

00:36:54.840 enemies

00:36:55.160 in our

00:36:55.760 parliament

00:36:56.160 being funded

00:36:56.780 by foreign

00:36:57.820 adversaries

00:36:58.440 representing us

00:36:59.640 I don't

00:37:00.140 understand why

00:37:00.620 they wouldn't

00:37:00.880 name those

00:37:01.260 individuals

00:37:01.640 Tom

00:37:01.980 and I don't

00:37:02.800 understand how

00:37:03.340 you could come

00:37:03.740 to this

00:37:04.000 conclusion by

00:37:04.700 just saying

00:37:05.220 nothing to

00:37:05.820 see here

00:37:06.260 what

00:37:06.720 well again

00:37:09.520 this is an

00:37:10.820 area where

00:37:11.460 I don't

00:37:11.720 have any

00:37:12.320 first-hand

00:37:13.820 knowledge

00:37:14.340 for what

00:37:17.560 it's worth

00:37:18.040 I think

00:37:18.500 that foreign 1.00

00:37:20.040 governments

00:37:20.560 particularly

00:37:20.920 China

00:37:21.360 have made

00:37:23.600 an effort

00:37:23.920 to influence

00:37:24.520 nomination

00:37:24.940 contests

00:37:25.580 that's easy

00:37:26.660 to do

00:37:27.060 where your

00:37:27.540 rules are

00:37:28.040 lax

00:37:28.460 as the

00:37:29.520 liberals

00:37:29.820 rules were

00:37:31.160 they've

00:37:33.460 tightened it

00:37:33.800 up a bit

00:37:34.260 I think

00:37:34.940 now you

00:37:35.400 have to

00:37:35.720 be a

00:37:36.020 resident

00:37:36.340 of Canada

00:37:36.900 to join

00:37:37.380 the party

00:37:37.820 but

00:37:40.140 what does

00:37:41.460 that mean

00:37:41.860 and how

00:37:42.440 is that

00:37:42.800 checked

00:37:43.160 within

00:37:43.660 a few

00:37:45.980 weeks

00:37:46.300 in this

00:37:46.580 case

00:37:46.800 it's

00:37:47.080 such a

00:37:47.620 quick

00:37:47.800 election

00:37:48.220 selection

00:37:49.440 process

00:37:50.000 no practical

00:37:51.760 way to

00:37:52.120 check it

00:37:52.880 do we

00:37:55.520 have a

00:37:55.920 Manchurian

00:37:56.600 candidate

00:37:57.100 I don't

00:37:57.840 think so

00:37:58.460 I mean

00:37:59.380 I agree

00:37:59.740 with the

00:38:00.100 commissioner

00:38:00.520 that so

00:38:01.040 far at

00:38:01.700 least

00:38:02.000 this

00:38:03.340 hasn't

00:38:04.040 reached a

00:38:04.560 level

00:38:04.900 where

00:38:06.020 it has

00:38:08.480 produced a

00:38:09.080 serious

00:38:09.380 result

00:38:09.900 for the

00:38:11.360 overall

00:38:11.700 conduct

00:38:12.160 of Canadian

00:38:12.660 politics

00:38:13.120 I think

00:38:13.800 the Chinese

00:38:14.240 clearly have

00:38:14.860 tampered

00:38:15.280 in a few

00:38:17.020 nomination

00:38:18.440 races

00:38:18.840 it's

00:38:22.240 something

00:38:22.480 that could 0.68

00:38:22.880 be

00:38:23.120 you know

00:38:23.680 could

00:38:23.900 grow

00:38:24.260 and should

00:38:25.440 be

00:38:25.760 monitored

00:38:26.960 and rules

00:38:27.840 should be

00:38:28.280 tightened

00:38:28.580 up

00:38:28.940 so that

00:38:29.940 it can't

00:38:31.280 grow

00:38:31.580 I think

00:38:34.320 the prime

00:38:34.760 minister

00:38:35.100 came in

00:38:36.060 with a

00:38:36.380 rather

00:38:36.620 benevolent

00:38:37.240 attitude

00:38:37.620 towards

00:38:38.940 China

00:38:39.400 something

00:38:40.040 he inherited

00:38:40.640 from his

00:38:41.060 father

00:38:41.400 that

00:38:42.340 benevolent

00:38:43.420 attitudes

00:38:43.800 towards

00:38:44.240 dictatorships

00:38:45.380 particularly

00:38:45.920 China and

00:38:46.700 Cuba

00:38:47.000 and I

00:38:48.120 think

00:38:48.260 that's

00:38:48.600 much

00:38:48.880 more

00:38:49.080 important

00:38:49.520 than

00:38:50.760 Chinese

00:38:52.400 efforts

00:38:52.800 to

00:38:53.200 put

00:38:54.800 the

00:38:54.940 thumb

00:38:55.120 on

00:38:55.240 the

00:38:55.380 scales

00:38:55.760 in

00:38:56.760 choosing

00:38:57.060 a few

00:38:57.800 backbenchers

00:38:58.520 because

00:38:58.960 you know

00:38:59.920 backbenchers

00:39:00.480 actually

00:39:00.820 aren't that

00:39:01.240 important

00:39:01.700 in the

00:39:03.040 overall

00:39:03.360 scheme

00:39:03.760 of

00:39:03.940 things

00:39:04.200 so

00:39:05.320 it's

00:39:08.360 not an

00:39:09.040 issue

00:39:09.340 that had

00:39:09.820 me

00:39:10.180 losing

00:39:11.440 sleep

00:39:11.880 I mean

00:39:12.180 something

00:39:12.500 that should

00:39:12.900 be dealt

00:39:13.260 with

00:39:13.480 but

00:39:13.720 I

00:39:14.840 don't

00:39:15.340 see it

00:39:15.640 as

00:39:15.780 extremely

00:39:16.680 important

00:39:18.160 in the

00:39:18.480 overall

00:39:18.800 scheme

00:39:19.160 of

00:39:19.340 things

00:39:19.620 setting

00:39:21.920 up

00:39:22.140 a

00:39:22.240 new

00:39:22.380 agency

00:39:22.960 I

00:39:24.740 don't

00:39:24.920 see

00:39:25.080 the

00:39:25.220 point

00:39:25.460 of

00:39:25.620 that

00:39:25.880 the

00:39:26.100 main

00:39:27.720 thing

00:39:27.980 that

00:39:28.320 the

00:39:28.500 Chinese

00:39:28.800 would

00:39:29.100 do

00:39:29.300 would

00:39:29.520 be

00:39:29.740 to

00:39:30.880 influence

00:39:32.340 nomination

00:39:33.880 races

00:39:34.280 by

00:39:34.540 mobilizing

00:39:35.140 people

00:39:35.600 and

00:39:36.800 you're

00:39:36.980 not

00:39:37.120 going

00:39:37.240 to

00:39:37.360 control

00:39:38.500 that

00:39:38.880 with

00:39:39.200 a

00:39:40.180 new

00:39:40.380 agency

00:39:40.860 to

00:39:41.160 monitor

00:39:41.640 the

00:39:41.960 internet

00:39:42.300 so

00:39:44.940 the

00:39:45.100 response

00:39:45.660 doesn't

00:39:46.880 seem

00:39:47.080 to be

00:39:47.380 that part

00:39:48.360 of the

00:39:48.540 response

00:39:48.960 anyway

00:39:49.320 doesn't

00:39:50.380 seem

00:39:50.680 to me

00:39:50.980 to be

00:39:51.280 called

00:39:51.620 for

00:39:51.900 just

00:39:52.180 as

00:39:52.400 more

00:39:52.960 government

00:39:53.360 jobs

00:39:53.860 so

00:39:55.460 it's

00:39:55.680 a

00:39:55.760 mixed

00:39:55.920 bag

00:39:56.260 but

00:39:57.320 again

00:39:57.800 I

00:39:57.960 say

00:39:58.080 it's

00:39:58.220 not

00:39:58.420 something

00:39:58.780 that

00:39:59.060 has

00:39:59.280 had

00:39:59.520 me

00:39:59.720 particularly

00:40:00.300 concerned

00:40:01.860 I think

00:40:02.920 the

00:40:03.080 opposition

00:40:03.540 played

00:40:04.000 it up

00:40:04.420 as part

00:40:05.260 of their

00:40:05.480 job

00:40:05.860 to try

00:40:06.220 and

00:40:06.340 embarrass

00:40:06.680 the

00:40:06.900 government

00:40:07.220 and

00:40:07.520 the

00:40:08.140 opposition

00:40:08.500 played

00:40:08.920 it

00:40:09.080 up

00:40:09.340 but

00:40:10.380 I'm

00:40:12.700 not

00:40:13.160 overly

00:40:13.660 concerned

00:40:14.220 about

00:40:14.640 it

00:40:14.920 much

00:40:16.700 more

00:40:16.940 concerned

00:40:17.300 about

00:40:17.560 a lot

00:40:17.900 of

00:40:18.000 other

00:40:18.180 things

00:40:18.500 put it

00:40:18.920 that

00:40:19.060 way

00:40:19.220 fair

00:40:20.000 enough

00:40:20.260 I do

00:40:20.580 think

00:40:20.740 that

00:40:20.860 there's

00:40:21.100 a level

00:40:21.700 of

00:40:21.880 irony

00:40:22.160 that

00:40:22.360 the

00:40:22.500 people

00:40:22.840 who

00:40:23.100 are

00:40:23.320 complaining

00:40:23.960 loudest

00:40:24.780 about

00:40:25.560 Donald

00:40:26.600 Trump

00:40:27.020 and

00:40:27.560 the

00:40:28.060 51st

00:40:28.600 state

00:40:28.740 comments

00:40:29.220 and

00:40:29.460 calling

00:40:29.760 people

00:40:30.060 like

00:40:30.300 Danielle

00:40:30.600 Smith

00:40:30.980 or

00:40:31.160 Jordan

00:40:31.420 Peterson

00:40:31.820 or

00:40:32.100 Kevin O'Leary

00:40:32.540 calling them

00:40:32.900 traitors

00:40:33.320 for trying

00:40:35.420 to have

00:40:35.740 a relationship

00:40:36.320 with our

00:40:36.740 closest friend

00:40:37.200 and ally

00:40:37.560 are the

00:40:38.440 same

00:40:38.580 kind

00:40:38.740 of

00:40:38.820 people

00:40:39.080 who

00:40:39.760 bury

00:40:40.860 their head

00:40:41.120 in the

00:40:41.320 sand

00:40:41.480 when it

00:40:41.700 comes

00:40:41.940 to

00:40:42.280 China

00:40:43.200 and

00:40:43.580 Iran

00:40:43.880 and

00:40:44.740 other

00:40:44.980 adversarial

00:40:45.460 states

00:40:45.820 actively

00:40:47.060 mobilizing

00:40:48.220 in Canada

00:40:49.240 I'll leave

00:40:49.440 it at that

00:40:49.700 one more

00:40:50.160 story

00:40:50.420 I want to

00:40:50.660 talk to

00:40:50.880 you

00:40:50.940 political

00:40:51.140 story

00:40:51.440 and then

00:40:51.660 we can

00:40:51.940 move on

00:40:52.480 to the

00:40:52.660 documentary

00:40:53.040 Tom

00:40:53.360 this is

00:40:54.160 with

00:40:54.320 Justin

00:40:54.600 Trudeau

00:40:54.940 so

00:40:55.120 there's

00:40:55.360 a

00:40:55.520 story

00:40:55.860 coming

00:40:56.800 out

00:40:56.940 saying

00:40:57.120 that

00:40:57.320 Justin

00:40:57.560 Trudeau

00:40:57.800 is

00:40:58.060 going

00:40:58.300 to

00:40:58.540 fill

00:40:58.940 the

00:40:59.140 remaining

00:40:59.500 Senate

00:40:59.940 vacancies

00:41:00.980 before

00:41:01.380 he

00:41:01.580 steps

00:41:01.760 down

00:41:01.940 so

00:41:02.080 he

00:41:02.200 said

00:41:02.340 he's

00:41:02.480 resigning

00:41:02.920 except

00:41:03.920 for

00:41:04.080 he's

00:41:04.160 not

00:41:04.260 resigning

00:41:04.740 and

00:41:04.900 he's

00:41:05.040 going

00:41:11.940 he

00:41:12.140 will

00:41:12.640 fill

00:41:13.040 those

00:41:13.640 basically

00:41:15.920 allowing

00:41:16.780 someone

00:41:17.220 to have

00:41:17.720 an

00:41:18.680 unelected

00:41:19.300 job

00:41:19.640 as a

00:41:19.900 legislature

00:41:20.300 until

00:41:20.640 the age

00:41:21.040 of 75

00:41:21.620 so

00:41:21.920 quite

00:41:22.260 a good

00:41:23.200 gig

00:41:23.560 here

00:41:23.980 True

00:41:24.720 North

00:41:24.940 is

00:41:25.080 reporting

00:41:25.460 that

00:41:25.660 the

00:41:25.780 Conservative

00:41:26.020 Party

00:41:26.420 of

00:41:26.580 Canada

00:41:26.920 is

00:41:27.680 calling

00:41:28.080 on

00:41:28.480 Liberal

00:41:28.840 leadership

00:41:29.220 candidates

00:41:29.620 to

00:41:29.840 oppose

00:41:30.400 Justin

00:41:30.880 Trudeau's

00:41:31.360 alleged

00:41:31.860 plan

00:41:32.300 to

00:41:32.820 stack

00:41:33.280 the

00:41:33.480 Senate

00:41:34.400 with

00:41:34.920 Liberal

00:41:35.340 Partisans

00:41:36.160 shortly

00:41:36.900 before

00:41:37.480 his

00:41:38.320 resignation

00:41:39.260 well

00:41:39.540 we

00:41:39.660 decided

00:41:39.980 to

00:41:40.140 have

00:41:40.360 some

00:41:40.860 fun

00:41:41.240 with

00:41:41.420 that

00:41:41.560 here

00:41:41.700 at the

00:41:41.860 Candace

00:41:42.100 Malcolm

00:41:42.360 show

00:41:42.700 we

00:41:43.400 have

00:41:43.560 put

00:41:43.700 together

00:41:43.940 a

00:41:44.080 new

00:41:44.200 petition

00:41:44.640 that

00:41:45.440 viewers

00:41:45.900 can

00:41:46.360 head

00:41:47.060 on

00:41:47.180 over

00:41:47.300 to

00:41:47.380 my

00:41:47.460 website

00:41:47.760 Candace

00:41:48.140 Malcolm

00:41:48.360 dot com

00:41:48.880 and

00:41:49.640 they

00:41:49.840 can

00:41:50.020 help

00:41:50.320 guess

00:41:50.980 or

00:41:51.260 predict

00:41:51.700 who

00:41:51.980 they

00:41:52.160 think

00:41:52.600 Trudeau's

00:41:53.440 Senate

00:41:53.840 appointments

00:41:54.440 will

00:41:55.080 be

00:41:55.400 so

00:41:55.560 head

00:41:55.680 on

00:41:55.780 over

00:41:55.920 to

00:41:56.080 Candace

00:41:56.360 Malcolm

00:41:56.660 dot com

00:41:57.440 for

00:41:58.120 this

00:41:58.660 10

00:41:59.800 influential

00:42:00.260 highly

00:42:00.580 paid

00:42:01.080 senators

00:42:02.100 to

00:42:02.780 friends

00:42:03.120 of

00:42:03.260 Justin

00:42:03.520 Trudeau

00:42:03.800 so

00:42:03.960 we

00:42:04.080 came

00:42:04.280 up

00:42:04.480 with

00:42:04.920 a

00:42:05.080 list

00:42:05.380 of

00:42:05.620 some

00:42:05.820 of

00:42:05.920 the

00:42:05.980 people

00:42:06.200 that

00:42:06.340 we

00:42:06.480 might

00:42:06.780 think

00:42:07.140 you

00:42:08.100 know

00:42:08.220 it

00:42:08.340 could

00:42:08.440 be

00:42:08.560 Jagmeet

00:42:08.860 Singh

00:42:09.160 could

00:42:09.540 be

00:42:09.660 Rosemary

00:42:10.080 Barton

00:42:10.340 of

00:42:10.440 the

00:42:10.520 CBC

00:42:10.800 maybe

00:42:11.300 Gerald

00:42:11.840 Butz

00:42:12.340 or

00:42:13.140 any

00:42:13.340 number

00:42:13.600 of

00:42:13.780 other

00:42:13.980 journalists

00:42:14.620 and

00:42:15.200 insiders

00:42:15.840 so

00:42:17.620 head

00:42:17.820 on

00:42:17.940 over

00:42:18.140 let

00:42:18.400 us

00:42:18.520 know

00:42:18.660 who

00:42:18.820 you

00:42:18.960 think

00:42:19.260 he

00:42:19.600 will

00:42:19.800 select

00:42:20.180 you

00:42:20.320 can

00:42:20.440 also

00:42:20.640 add

00:42:20.940 your

00:42:21.100 own

00:42:21.380 because

00:42:21.640 we

00:42:21.800 don't

00:42:22.100 we

00:42:22.840 didn't

00:42:23.340 include

00:42:23.620 everyone

00:42:23.940 we

00:42:24.140 just

00:42:24.300 included

00:42:24.680 the

00:42:25.000 sort

00:42:25.300 of

00:42:25.800 usual

00:42:26.360 suspects

00:42:26.760 that

00:42:27.180 we

00:42:27.700 think

00:42:28.060 he

00:42:28.160 might

00:42:28.320 pick

00:42:28.600 so

00:42:29.060 head

00:42:36.200 well

00:42:38.820 yeah

00:42:39.020 it's

00:42:39.280 naked

00:42:39.640 partisan

00:42:40.900 politics

00:42:41.280 he

00:42:41.600 may

00:42:41.780 not

00:42:41.980 appoint

00:42:42.380 partisan

00:42:43.220 liberals

00:42:43.700 I

00:42:43.880 mean

00:42:43.960 he

00:42:44.340 hasn't

00:42:44.780 up to

00:42:45.020 this

00:42:45.220 point

00:42:45.540 he

00:42:46.040 has

00:42:46.260 appointed

00:42:46.680 people

00:42:47.140 whose

00:42:47.920 thinking

00:42:48.360 is in

00:42:48.900 line

00:42:49.240 with

00:42:49.940 liberal

00:42:50.240 policy

00:42:50.740 but

00:42:50.940 they

00:42:51.080 don't

00:42:51.440 have

00:42:51.620 a

00:42:51.740 history

00:42:52.060 most

00:42:52.380 of

00:42:52.520 them

00:42:53.020 as

00:42:53.460 active

00:42:54.340 partisan

00:42:54.760 liberals

00:42:55.180 so

00:42:55.480 I

00:42:56.120 don't

00:42:56.200 know

00:42:56.340 anyway

00:42:56.800 I

00:42:57.060 would

00:42:57.520 say

00:42:57.800 if I

00:42:58.540 could

00:42:58.680 contribute

00:42:59.020 to

00:42:59.220 the

00:42:59.340 list

00:42:59.540 I

00:42:59.700 would

00:42:59.860 put

00:43:00.180 Jerry

00:43:01.020 Butz

00:43:01.340 and

00:43:01.500 Katie

00:43:01.720 Telford

00:43:02.200 at

00:43:02.880 the

00:43:03.020 top

00:43:03.320 they've

00:43:03.620 been

00:43:03.780 loyal

00:43:04.140 soldiers

00:43:05.300 deserve

00:43:08.120 a

00:43:08.480 reward

00:43:08.920 but

00:43:09.220 who's

00:43:10.260 to

00:43:10.380 say

00:43:10.600 my

00:43:14.960 recollection

00:43:15.620 is that

00:43:16.400 Stephen

00:43:16.880 Harper

00:43:17.180 did

00:43:17.480 not

00:43:17.900 fill

00:43:18.840 the

00:43:19.080 Senate

00:43:19.360 on

00:43:20.760 the

00:43:20.880 way

00:43:21.080 out

00:43:21.380 and

00:43:22.680 he

00:43:23.360 absorbed

00:43:23.820 a lot

00:43:24.160 of

00:43:24.300 criticism

00:43:24.740 internally

00:43:26.720 from

00:43:27.100 conservatives

00:43:27.580 I'm

00:43:27.820 not

00:43:27.960 sure

00:43:28.140 how

00:43:28.300 many

00:43:28.500 went

00:43:28.780 public

00:43:29.500 with

00:43:29.820 criticism

00:43:30.560 but

00:43:31.340 a lot

00:43:31.700 of

00:43:31.840 conservatives

00:43:32.320 were

00:43:32.640 very

00:43:32.920 disappointed

00:43:33.500 that

00:43:34.500 Stephen

00:43:34.860 didn't

00:43:35.300 fill

00:43:35.540 up

00:43:35.740 the

00:43:35.960 Senate

00:43:36.200 so

00:43:37.480 now

00:43:38.840 the

00:43:39.000 conservatives

00:43:39.380 want

00:43:39.740 to

00:43:39.880 stop

00:43:40.320 Justin

00:43:41.300 from

00:43:41.580 filling

00:43:41.860 up

00:43:42.100 the

00:43:42.280 Senate

00:43:42.540 whether

00:43:44.080 he

00:43:44.300 does

00:43:44.560 that

00:43:44.800 or

00:43:44.940 not

00:43:45.320 a

00:43:46.080 new

00:43:46.500 conservative

00:43:47.000 government

00:43:47.560 will

00:43:48.620 have

00:43:49.180 I

00:43:49.500 think

00:43:49.700 a

00:43:49.880 problem

00:43:50.240 dealing

00:43:51.460 with

00:43:51.700 the

00:43:51.920 Senate

00:43:52.180 and

00:43:52.360 it's

00:43:52.580 probably

00:43:53.680 more

00:43:53.980 difficult

00:43:54.480 than

00:43:55.440 dealing

00:43:55.920 with

00:43:56.180 a

00:43:56.860 Senate

00:43:57.180 which

00:43:57.440 is

00:43:57.600 composed

00:43:58.020 of

00:43:58.260 political

00:43:58.620 hacks 0.98

00:43:59.120 you

00:43:59.860 know

00:43:59.960 when

00:44:00.120 the

00:44:00.280 Senate

00:44:00.500 was

00:44:00.800 obviously

00:44:01.840 political

00:44:02.420 appointments

00:44:03.000 everybody

00:44:03.940 knew

00:44:04.240 how

00:44:04.420 the

00:44:04.580 game

00:44:04.800 is

00:44:04.940 played

00:44:05.300 and

00:44:06.280 when

00:44:06.600 the

00:44:06.740 conservatives

00:44:07.080 were

00:44:07.320 in

00:44:07.480 power

00:44:07.860 the

00:44:08.520 liberals

00:44:08.820 would

00:44:09.100 go

00:44:09.320 along

00:44:09.940 with

00:44:10.900 legislation

00:44:11.520 unless

00:44:12.080 there

00:44:12.320 had

00:44:12.520 been

00:44:12.740 a

00:44:12.960 major

00:44:13.700 decision

00:44:14.200 to

00:44:14.460 try

00:44:14.720 and

00:44:14.900 bring

00:44:15.100 down

00:44:15.300 the

00:44:15.440 government

00:44:15.740 you know

00:44:16.020 but

00:44:18.300 now

00:44:18.680 the

00:44:18.920 Senate

00:44:19.180 is

00:44:19.400 largely

00:44:19.800 composed

00:44:20.540 of

00:44:21.020 sort

00:44:23.180 of

00:44:23.420 free

00:44:23.660 thinking

00:44:23.920 people

00:44:24.520 that

00:44:25.700 aren't

00:44:26.220 totally

00:44:26.980 aligned

00:44:27.480 with

00:44:27.980 parties

00:44:29.640 I mean

00:44:29.940 there are

00:44:30.240 a few

00:44:30.600 political

00:44:31.460 appointments

00:44:31.880 left

00:44:32.240 but

00:44:32.520 most

00:44:33.420 of

00:44:33.600 them

00:44:33.880 see

00:44:35.060 themselves

00:44:35.640 as

00:44:36.400 independent

00:44:37.520 so

00:44:38.640 they

00:44:38.860 might

00:44:39.080 be

00:44:39.240 much

00:44:39.460 harder

00:44:39.780 for

00:44:40.020 a

00:44:40.180 conservative

00:44:40.520 government

00:44:41.000 to deal

00:44:41.420 with

00:44:41.720 I mean

00:44:42.660 I'd

00:44:42.960 rather

00:44:43.200 make a

00:44:44.060 deal

00:44:44.220 with

00:44:44.400 a bunch

00:44:44.680 of

00:44:44.820 liberal

00:44:45.200 acts

00:44:46.180 because

00:44:46.580 we

00:44:46.720 could

00:44:46.820 all

00:44:47.000 speak

00:44:47.220 the

00:44:47.400 same

00:44:47.560 language

00:44:48.040 rather

00:44:49.080 than

00:44:49.380 dealing

00:44:49.720 with

00:44:50.180 a

00:44:51.280 bunch

00:44:51.560 of

00:44:51.720 free

00:44:52.000 thinking

00:44:52.480 progressive

00:44:53.200 ideologues

00:44:54.720 who

00:44:54.880 don't

00:44:55.560 feel

00:44:56.000 any

00:44:56.760 obligation

00:44:57.380 to

00:44:57.780 keep

00:44:58.340 the

00:44:58.540 wheels

00:44:58.840 of

00:44:59.020 government

00:44:59.320 turning

00:44:59.680 over

00:45:00.140 so

00:45:01.240 yeah

00:45:02.120 fair enough

00:45:02.680 I mean

00:45:02.920 it seems

00:45:03.320 to be

00:45:03.580 like

00:45:03.700 such

00:45:03.880 an

00:45:04.000 arcane

00:45:04.360 system

00:45:04.720 and

00:45:04.920 this

00:45:05.120 just

00:45:05.420 shows

00:45:05.820 another

00:45:06.280 one

00:45:06.480 of

00:45:06.580 our

00:45:06.680 institutions

00:45:07.140 that's

00:45:07.780 failed

00:45:08.100 and

00:45:08.280 broken

00:45:08.560 that

00:45:08.760 probably

00:45:09.000 needs

00:45:09.220 to

00:45:09.360 be

00:45:09.660 updated

00:45:10.520 Tom

00:45:11.600 I brought

00:45:11.840 you on

00:45:12.040 because I

00:45:12.240 really wanted

00:45:12.660 to talk

00:45:13.000 to you

00:45:13.180 about

00:45:13.380 this

00:45:13.640 documentary

00:45:14.340 on

00:45:14.840 residential

00:45:15.320 schools

00:45:15.780 so

00:45:16.160 viewers

00:45:16.880 know

00:45:17.160 that

00:45:17.440 True North

00:45:18.380 published

00:45:18.960 Tom Flanagan's

00:45:19.880 recent book

00:45:20.440 Grave Error

00:45:21.500 How the Media

00:45:22.580 is Misleading Us

00:45:23.340 on the Unmarked Graves

00:45:24.440 in Residential Schools

00:45:25.400 excellent book

00:45:26.340 I recommend

00:45:26.640 everyone reading it

00:45:27.420 caused quite the stir

00:45:28.360 in the Canadian

00:45:28.880 media landscape

00:45:29.560 I think that

00:45:30.360 we had

00:45:31.500 quite a few

00:45:32.200 angry

00:45:32.700 sort of

00:45:33.340 criticisms

00:45:34.100 of the book

00:45:34.800 and it really

00:45:35.140 helped

00:45:35.420 with our

00:45:36.060 sales

00:45:36.540 particularly

00:45:37.700 with

00:45:38.620 the boycott

00:45:39.020 that happened

00:45:39.440 up in

00:45:40.480 Cornell

00:45:40.780 British Columbia

00:45:41.480 Tom

00:45:41.860 so

00:45:43.140 the documentary

00:45:44.700 which was released

00:45:46.440 explores the

00:45:48.640 legacy of

00:45:49.260 residential schools

00:45:49.960 in Canada

00:45:50.460 and on

00:45:51.620 January 23rd

00:45:52.520 we learned

00:45:52.800 that it was

00:45:53.220 nominated

00:45:53.860 for an

00:45:54.620 Academy Award

00:45:56.120 now this film

00:45:57.160 is not a drama

00:45:57.800 it's a documentary

00:45:58.760 which is supposed

00:45:59.620 to be based

00:46:00.120 on facts

00:46:00.760 and truth

00:46:01.520 unfortunately

00:46:02.760 much like

00:46:03.840 the story

00:46:05.300 of the Unmarked

00:46:05.760 Graves

00:46:06.100 which many

00:46:07.000 now believe

00:46:07.680 has been

00:46:08.680 exposed

00:46:09.020 to be a

00:46:09.400 hoax

00:46:09.740 unfortunately

00:46:10.660 this documentary

00:46:11.700 seems to

00:46:12.340 run fast

00:46:13.060 and loose

00:46:13.420 with the facts

00:46:14.100 so first

00:46:15.000 let's just

00:46:15.600 show the

00:46:16.380 trailer

00:46:17.160 for this

00:46:17.840 documentary

00:46:18.380 I felt dirty

00:46:21.720 as Indian

00:46:22.340 all my life

00:46:23.580 in residential school

00:46:25.080 look at that

00:46:26.780 it's all names

00:46:28.600 when you're brought

00:46:30.620 up in an institution

00:46:31.580 like the Catholic 0.99

00:46:32.640 Church

00:46:33.120 you have strict rules

00:46:35.120 and you went

00:46:35.940 with their ethics

00:46:36.880 I've been

00:46:40.980 trying to find out

00:46:42.020 what happened

00:46:42.760 at St.

00:46:43.420 Joseph's Mission

00:46:44.120 everything was so

00:46:48.060 secretive

00:46:49.620 my dad was born

00:46:52.760 there

00:46:53.140 how did it happen

00:46:57.180 it's not something

00:46:59.200 that you want to

00:47:00.340 open up

00:47:01.040 you know

00:47:01.360 it just keeps

00:47:02.500 on damaging

00:47:03.400 for decades

00:47:07.240 there were reports

00:47:08.120 of neglect

00:47:08.760 children dying

00:47:09.680 or disappearing

00:47:10.340 from this facility

00:47:11.300 two girls drowned

00:47:13.980 priests

00:47:14.680 moved around

00:47:15.580 why are they dying

00:47:16.940 did they think

00:47:17.920 we'd be stupid

00:47:18.660 all of our lives

00:47:20.140 the rest of our lives

00:47:21.320 and nobody would

00:47:22.100 ever find out

00:47:22.880 these things

00:47:23.620 beautifully produced film

00:47:26.360 very high quality

00:47:27.840 very compelling story

00:47:29.840 the way that it's narrated

00:47:30.880 and the way that it looks

00:47:32.020 the film was reportedly

00:47:34.940 sold to the National Geographic

00:47:37.040 for seven figures

00:47:38.760 so the people

00:47:39.580 who produced this money

00:47:40.160 made quite a bit of money

00:47:40.900 the people who produced this film

00:47:42.960 have made quite a bit of money

00:47:43.840 off of it

00:47:44.400 and it will be widely viewed

00:47:45.960 my concern Tom

00:47:47.640 is that it's not based

00:47:48.620 on actual facts

00:47:49.900 can you tell us a little bit

00:47:51.680 about this documentary

00:47:52.420 and what you found

00:47:53.140 yeah it's

00:47:54.500 it's on a par

00:47:55.880 with the Kamloops

00:47:56.780 hoax actually

00:47:58.020 I'll mention

00:48:00.200 just a few things

00:48:00.840 there's

00:48:01.740 we have

00:48:03.340 we're going to have

00:48:04.100 maybe

00:48:04.300 I'm not sure

00:48:04.780 whether it's up yet today

00:48:05.740 but

00:48:05.960 we're going to have

00:48:07.600 a detailed

00:48:08.400 factual critique

00:48:10.120 of the film

00:48:10.860 on the website

00:48:12.780 of the

00:48:13.500 Indian Research

00:48:14.860 School

00:48:15.200 Research Group

00:48:16.240 which is easily

00:48:17.480 available online

00:48:18.480 so anybody who's interested

00:48:19.720 can read

00:48:21.000 all the details

00:48:22.000 there

00:48:22.220 there's so many

00:48:22.820 that I can't possibly

00:48:23.800 bring them up

00:48:24.980 in our conversation

00:48:26.240 but

00:48:27.200 just a few things

00:48:29.140 in the way

00:48:31.420 that it's produced

00:48:32.280 the film

00:48:33.980 cuts back and forth

00:48:35.360 between different

00:48:36.280 people and places

00:48:37.560 without identifying them

00:48:38.880 so

00:48:39.760 many things

00:48:41.160 that are said

00:48:41.780 actually

00:48:42.460 refer to events

00:48:44.260 that took place

00:48:45.060 on

00:48:45.520 other reserves

00:48:47.440 it's supposed

00:48:48.020 there's supposed to be

00:48:48.300 a focus

00:48:48.880 on the Sugar Cane Reserve

00:48:50.940 which is one

00:48:52.600 near

00:48:53.280 Williams Lake

00:48:55.000 British Columbia

00:48:56.360 but

00:48:57.180 they bring in 0.87

00:48:58.140 like the children

00:48:59.120 drowning in the trailer

00:49:00.360 that didn't happen

00:49:01.520 at the

00:49:01.780 that's at another reserve

00:49:03.320 far away

00:49:03.920 in British Columbia

00:49:05.220 it has nothing to do

00:49:05.920 with Williams Lake

00:49:06.680 secondly

00:49:08.240 one of the main

00:49:09.660 storylines

00:49:10.500 is about the birth

00:49:11.840 of

00:49:12.460 Ed Noiskat

00:49:14.960 the father

00:49:15.740 the film

00:49:17.020 the film

00:49:17.660 I don't know

00:49:19.840 producer is the right word

00:49:21.140 but the

00:49:21.660 the right

00:49:22.660 the little

00:49:23.380 the main voice

00:49:24.160 is Julian Noiskat

00:49:25.440 his son

00:49:26.100 and

00:49:29.500 they're pursuing

00:49:30.980 the story

00:49:31.440 of how

00:49:32.020 Ed Noiskat

00:49:33.640 was

00:49:34.000 was born

00:49:34.880 well there actually

00:49:36.340 is no mystery

00:49:37.120 to this

00:49:37.620 this was reported

00:49:38.560 in the

00:49:40.040 Williams Lake Press

00:49:41.100 at the time

00:49:41.640 that it happened

00:49:42.380 that

00:49:43.640 Ed's mother

00:49:45.920 who at the time

00:49:47.460 was 20 years old

00:49:48.700 and

00:49:49.720 was not a student

00:49:50.980 at the

00:49:51.900 residential school

00:49:53.960 she had been

00:49:54.700 years earlier

00:49:55.440 but she wasn't

00:49:56.580 now

00:49:57.020 she delivered

00:49:59.780 the baby

00:50:00.200 in her car

00:50:00.900 while she was

00:50:01.540 driving past

00:50:02.720 going

00:50:04.160 I think

00:50:04.820 from one reserve

00:50:05.480 to another

00:50:05.920 and

00:50:07.100 she may have

00:50:08.920 thought the baby

00:50:09.520 was still born

00:50:10.340 that that's not

00:50:11.000 clear

00:50:11.340 but in any case

00:50:12.580 she placed

00:50:13.200 the baby

00:50:13.740 in

00:50:14.780 an incinerator

00:50:16.620 where

00:50:18.900 garbage was burned

00:50:20.000 outside the mission

00:50:20.900 and then she

00:50:21.920 drove away

00:50:22.660 and the baby

00:50:24.240 was discovered

00:50:24.860 a few hours

00:50:25.460 later

00:50:25.840 by

00:50:26.240 the dairy

00:50:27.500 man

00:50:27.960 who supplied

00:50:29.800 the school

00:50:30.380 with milk

00:50:30.840 he heard

00:50:32.220 a crying

00:50:33.060 sound

00:50:33.460 and he

00:50:33.820 went and

00:50:34.420 got the baby

00:50:34.960 and

00:50:35.220 they

00:50:36.120 the people

00:50:37.440 at the school

00:50:38.080 saved the baby

00:50:38.880 and

00:50:39.200 the mother

00:50:41.240 was sentenced

00:50:41.760 to jail

00:50:42.260 for a year

00:50:42.780 for

00:50:43.100 whatever exactly

00:50:45.000 the definition

00:50:45.760 of the crime

00:50:46.180 is

00:50:46.380 and

00:50:47.200 then she

00:50:48.420 got the baby

00:50:49.060 back

00:50:49.440 and

00:50:49.700 raised it

00:50:50.620 now the

00:50:51.420 documentary

00:50:52.980 tries to

00:50:53.780 make you

00:50:54.720 believe

00:50:55.360 that the baby

00:50:57.120 was born

00:50:58.000 at the mission

00:50:59.640 or excuse me

00:51:00.460 at the school

00:51:01.240 and in fact

00:51:02.580 Ed Noyscat

00:51:04.220 says at one point

00:51:05.520 I was born

00:51:06.200 on the second

00:51:06.800 floor

00:51:07.260 of the

00:51:08.720 school

00:51:09.920 but there's

00:51:10.740 absolutely no

00:51:11.280 evidence for that

00:51:12.080 and there's

00:51:12.440 a ton

00:51:13.580 of evidence

00:51:14.040 that the

00:51:15.260 father

00:51:15.700 of the baby

00:51:17.680 was another

00:51:18.600 status Indian

00:51:20.540 who had a

00:51:21.640 temporary split

00:51:22.500 with the mother

00:51:23.240 and

00:51:24.820 later they

00:51:27.980 reconciled

00:51:28.700 sort of off

00:51:29.240 and on

00:51:29.580 but they did

00:51:30.020 reconcile

00:51:30.440 they had other

00:51:31.000 children

00:51:31.380 so there's

00:51:32.500 actually no

00:51:32.960 mystery here

00:51:33.580 and the main

00:51:34.580 facts were

00:51:35.260 reported

00:51:35.920 in the

00:51:36.860 Williams Lake

00:51:37.700 Tribune

00:51:38.820 I think it's

00:51:39.220 called

00:51:39.460 and

00:51:40.200 in the

00:51:41.280 documentary

00:51:41.800 they show

00:51:42.500 the

00:51:42.960 article

00:51:44.660 to try

00:51:47.120 and create

00:51:47.680 an air

00:51:48.720 of authenticity

00:51:49.460 but they don't

00:51:50.660 give all the

00:51:51.240 facts from the

00:51:52.020 article

00:51:52.380 they don't

00:51:53.800 tell you

00:51:54.240 that the

00:51:54.620 mother is

00:51:55.060 20 years

00:51:55.560 old

00:51:55.760 and not

00:51:56.120 a student

00:51:56.580 and they

00:51:57.320 don't tell

00:51:57.740 you that

00:51:58.060 there's no

00:51:58.460 evidence

00:51:58.940 that the

00:52:00.400 father

00:52:01.980 of the

00:52:03.060 child

00:52:03.400 was a

00:52:04.440 mission

00:52:04.780 priest

00:52:05.520 or anything

00:52:05.960 like that

00:52:06.760 so

00:52:08.180 there's

00:52:08.720 all kinds

00:52:09.180 of

00:52:09.360 implications

00:52:09.980 undocumented

00:52:10.560 implications

00:52:11.520 in the

00:52:12.720 film

00:52:13.060 I mean

00:52:14.960 too many

00:52:15.420 for me

00:52:15.800 to deal

00:52:16.180 with here

00:52:16.620 but it's

00:52:17.600 it's

00:52:17.880 constant

00:52:18.340 throughout

00:52:18.720 the film

00:52:19.220 the film

00:52:20.800 also starts

00:52:21.640 with

00:52:22.120 bad

00:52:23.600 information

00:52:24.260 there's

00:52:25.440 some lines

00:52:26.500 before they

00:52:27.060 get into

00:52:27.540 photography

00:52:28.340 they start

00:52:30.060 by saying

00:52:30.800 that

00:52:31.180 after

00:52:33.800 1894

00:52:34.740 all Indian

00:52:36.240 children

00:52:36.640 were forced

00:52:37.240 to attend

00:52:37.680 residential

00:52:38.220 schools

00:52:38.680 which

00:52:38.920 is not

00:52:39.640 true

00:52:39.940 they take

00:52:41.100 it for

00:52:41.360 granted

00:52:41.660 that the

00:52:42.000 Kamloops

00:52:42.440 story

00:52:42.940 about

00:52:43.280 the

00:52:43.480 215

00:52:44.560 unmarked

00:52:45.840 graves

00:52:46.180 is true 0.89

00:52:46.820 they end

00:52:49.480 the film

00:52:51.280 by saying

00:52:52.100 in print

00:52:52.820 that

00:52:53.080 we have

00:52:54.720 determined

00:52:55.080 a pattern

00:52:55.600 of infanticide

00:52:56.720 when in fact

00:52:58.520 they haven't

00:52:58.960 done anything

00:52:59.420 like that

00:53:00.180 the closest

00:53:01.220 they come

00:53:01.660 to it

00:53:02.000 was the

00:53:02.400 baby put

00:53:02.940 in the

00:53:03.220 incinerator

00:53:03.720 who was

00:53:04.120 saved

00:53:04.500 and that

00:53:05.880 wasn't done

00:53:06.440 by anybody

00:53:06.900 at the

00:53:07.280 school

00:53:07.640 that was

00:53:08.000 done by

00:53:08.620 a former

00:53:10.360 student

00:53:10.860 but they

00:53:13.380 imply

00:53:13.960 in many

00:53:14.400 cases

00:53:14.740 in the

00:53:15.100 film

00:53:15.380 that

00:53:16.480 infanticide

00:53:18.820 has

00:53:19.120 taken

00:53:20.220 place

00:53:20.900 they for

00:53:24.420 example

00:53:24.740 they show

00:53:25.420 another main

00:53:26.320 character

00:53:26.720 in the

00:53:27.060 film

00:53:27.300 they show

00:53:28.140 him

00:53:28.420 digging

00:53:29.280 in the

00:53:29.620 cemetery

00:53:30.140 I mean

00:53:30.620 this is

00:53:30.940 an authorized

00:53:32.060 cemetery

00:53:32.640 they show

00:53:33.760 him digging

00:53:34.100 in the

00:53:34.400 cemetery

00:53:34.840 and he

00:53:35.620 uncovers

00:53:36.120 apparently

00:53:36.680 the top

00:53:37.220 of a

00:53:37.480 casket

00:53:37.940 but we

00:53:39.740 don't know

00:53:40.080 who's in

00:53:40.600 the casket

00:53:41.240 and then

00:53:41.960 he makes

00:53:42.300 the sign

00:53:42.700 of the

00:53:42.940 cross

00:53:43.280 on the

00:53:43.720 casket

00:53:44.080 it's all

00:53:44.480 very moving

00:53:45.160 but there's

00:53:46.080 no evidence

00:53:46.600 that this

00:53:47.040 is a child

00:53:47.720 or had

00:53:48.100 been at

00:53:48.620 the school

00:53:49.920 he's just

00:53:50.900 digging

00:53:51.220 there

00:53:51.440 it could

00:53:51.640 be anybody

00:53:52.140 because all

00:53:53.080 kinds of

00:53:53.420 people were

00:53:53.780 buried in

00:53:54.260 the cemetery

00:53:54.940 on and

00:53:57.940 on and

00:53:58.340 on

00:53:58.680 like from

00:53:59.320 beginning to

00:53:59.920 end

00:54:00.400 this thing

00:54:01.860 is false

00:54:02.380 and it's

00:54:03.620 you know

00:54:04.840 I would like

00:54:05.220 to say

00:54:05.520 it's a

00:54:05.800 disgrace

00:54:06.160 that it's

00:54:06.460 been nominated

00:54:07.080 for the

00:54:08.640 Oscars

00:54:10.160 and it is

00:54:10.720 but this

00:54:11.960 movie has

00:54:12.740 received so

00:54:13.360 many awards

00:54:14.140 that it's

00:54:15.440 not just

00:54:16.100 the failure

00:54:16.680 of a single

00:54:17.520 award ceremony

00:54:18.500 this is

00:54:19.460 an indication

00:54:20.920 of the

00:54:21.360 zeitgeist

00:54:21.980 or the

00:54:22.520 climate of

00:54:23.580 opinion

00:54:23.940 that people

00:54:25.280 think this

00:54:25.840 is a great

00:54:26.300 film

00:54:26.680 they don't

00:54:27.620 make the

00:54:28.060 slightest

00:54:28.380 effort

00:54:28.820 to do

00:54:30.040 a fact

00:54:30.460 check

00:54:30.760 on

00:54:31.800 what's

00:54:32.640 in the

00:54:32.920 film

00:54:33.160 so

00:54:35.700 anyway

00:54:36.040 a couple

00:54:36.320 of my

00:54:36.620 friends

00:54:36.940 who are

00:54:37.400 involved

00:54:38.300 with our

00:54:38.920 ongoing

00:54:39.440 research

00:54:40.940 on

00:54:41.380 Mark

00:54:42.340 Graves

00:54:42.820 and

00:54:43.200 residential

00:54:44.800 school

00:54:45.380 so-called

00:54:46.580 atrocities

00:54:47.260 a couple

00:54:47.660 of my

00:54:48.860 friends

00:54:49.340 Nina Green

00:54:50.580 and Michelle

00:54:51.120 Sterling

00:54:51.680 have dug

00:54:52.700 into it

00:54:53.120 in detail

00:54:53.680 and they

00:54:54.740 have found

00:54:55.400 all these

00:54:56.740 dozens

00:54:57.180 of

00:54:57.620 factual

00:54:58.680 you can't

00:55:00.280 call them

00:55:00.660 errors

00:55:01.200 they are

00:55:02.620 deliberate

00:55:03.200 misrepresentations

00:55:04.900 like with

00:55:05.680 the

00:55:06.080 Ed

00:55:07.720 Noisecat

00:55:08.220 story

00:55:08.640 of being

00:55:09.060 put into

00:55:09.500 the incinerator

00:55:10.200 the basic

00:55:11.860 facts were

00:55:12.500 in the

00:55:12.780 Williams Lake

00:55:13.320 story

00:55:13.780 which they

00:55:14.700 had

00:55:15.020 and they

00:55:15.320 showed

00:55:15.560 on the

00:55:15.900 screen

00:55:16.140 but they

00:55:16.700 suppressed

00:55:17.200 some of

00:55:18.020 the essential

00:55:18.440 facts

00:55:18.840 they didn't

00:55:19.160 mention

00:55:19.460 them

00:55:19.720 you know

00:55:22.060 I could

00:55:22.340 go on

00:55:22.720 and on

00:55:23.120 I'm

00:55:23.900 getting

00:55:24.100 wound

00:55:25.040 up

00:55:25.340 here

00:55:25.600 I could

00:55:27.120 go on

00:55:27.500 for a

00:55:27.740 long

00:55:27.920 time

00:55:28.220 but

00:55:28.440 this is

00:55:29.900 the basic

00:55:30.340 thing

00:55:30.660 I need

00:55:30.960 to say

00:55:31.340 but I

00:55:31.640 could

00:55:31.840 supply

00:55:32.700 many

00:55:33.060 more

00:55:33.340 examples

00:55:33.840 well

00:55:34.940 I look

00:55:35.700 forward

00:55:35.880 to the

00:55:36.140 report

00:55:36.400 that you

00:55:36.860 have

00:55:37.240 forthcoming

00:55:37.800 and we'll

00:55:38.140 cover it

00:55:38.780 on

00:55:39.300 for True

00:55:40.420 North

00:55:40.760 make sure

00:55:41.380 that Canadians

00:55:41.840 see it

00:55:42.660 I mean

00:55:43.400 I don't

00:55:43.840 mean to

00:55:44.260 work you

00:55:44.600 up even

00:55:44.920 more

00:55:45.160 Tom

00:55:45.420 but to

00:55:45.860 me

00:55:46.060 it's

00:55:46.320 like

00:55:46.500 it's

00:55:46.780 Hollywood

00:55:47.240 propaganda

00:55:47.900 it's

00:55:48.300 not based

00:55:48.740 on truth

00:55:49.220 it's based

00:55:49.720 on a myth

00:55:50.240 that they

00:55:50.540 want to

00:55:50.960 promote

00:55:52.720 genocidal

00:55:53.320 country

00:55:53.740 and trying

00:55:54.560 to eliminate

00:55:55.220 any moral

00:55:56.320 legitimacy

00:55:56.820 that we

00:55:57.180 have as a

00:55:57.560 nation

00:55:57.760 it kind

00:55:58.000 of goes

00:55:58.200 back to

00:55:58.720 the Jordan

00:55:59.360 Peterson

00:55:59.760 essay

00:56:00.560 that I

00:56:00.860 was talking

00:56:01.260 about

00:56:01.480 earlier

00:56:01.840 that

00:56:02.200 does Canada

00:56:03.900 even have

00:56:04.740 the courage

00:56:05.280 to exist

00:56:06.000 like do we

00:56:06.380 even believe

00:56:06.800 in ourselves

00:56:07.200 as a

00:56:07.520 country

00:56:07.820 and these

00:56:08.740 kinds of

00:56:09.100 stories

00:56:09.480 come up

00:56:10.760 and I

00:56:11.600 worry that

00:56:12.200 young Canadians

00:56:13.380 will view

00:56:14.040 these kind

00:56:14.440 of stories

00:56:14.760 take them

00:56:15.080 as fact

00:56:15.560 believe the

00:56:16.260 propaganda

00:56:16.700 believe the

00:56:17.320 hoaxes

00:56:17.800 I know

00:56:18.320 you and

00:56:18.700 your colleagues

00:56:19.080 have done

00:56:19.540 tremendous

00:56:20.680 work to

00:56:21.240 expose

00:56:21.640 these lies

00:56:22.320 but I

00:56:24.420 mean what

00:56:24.720 else can

00:56:25.900 be done

00:56:26.340 to counter

00:56:27.540 this sort

00:56:28.200 of

00:56:28.340 propagandistic

00:56:29.300 narrative

00:56:30.120 I think

00:56:31.020 that so

00:56:32.180 many people

00:56:32.720 sort of

00:56:33.460 in the

00:56:34.740 journalism

00:56:35.200 world now

00:56:35.980 you know

00:56:37.040 on the

00:56:37.840 political

00:56:38.100 conservative

00:56:38.620 side

00:56:39.000 have come

00:56:39.700 to see

00:56:40.000 the truth

00:56:40.500 about the

00:56:41.460 story

00:56:41.720 you know

00:56:41.940 obviously

00:56:42.280 we feel

00:56:43.420 quite badly

00:56:44.620 for people

00:56:45.040 who went

00:56:45.240 to residential

00:56:45.660 schools

00:56:46.000 and had

00:56:46.460 bad

00:56:47.040 experiences

00:56:47.560 obviously

00:56:47.980 the idea

00:56:48.420 of

00:56:48.880 children

00:56:49.540 dying

00:56:50.200 at a

00:56:50.820 school

00:56:51.060 is sad

00:56:51.760 regardless

00:56:52.300 of the

00:56:52.580 circumstance

00:56:53.040 particularly

00:56:53.840 when it's

00:56:54.360 a big

00:56:54.640 federal

00:56:55.180 government

00:56:55.580 program

00:56:56.120 but the

00:56:57.240 facts around

00:56:57.940 the residential

00:56:58.460 school

00:56:58.960 unmarked

00:56:59.580 graves

00:56:59.880 or mass grave

00:57:00.400 stories

00:57:00.700 were just

00:57:01.020 not true

00:57:01.500 and that's

00:57:02.380 come forward

00:57:03.220 I think

00:57:03.560 many many

00:57:03.920 people

00:57:04.280 now believe

00:57:05.860 that

00:57:06.160 and believe

00:57:06.940 that

00:57:07.200 maybe

00:57:08.280 you know

00:57:08.980 there's

00:57:09.520 there's

00:57:10.200 incentive

00:57:10.620 for

00:57:11.740 first nations

00:57:12.260 groups to

00:57:12.920 continue

00:57:13.400 pushing

00:57:13.960 this

00:57:14.220 myth

00:57:14.440 because

00:57:14.860 it

00:57:15.460 leads

00:57:15.800 to

00:57:16.200 tremendous

00:57:16.920 increase

00:57:17.400 in government

00:57:17.780 spending

00:57:18.220 you had

00:57:19.520 a report

00:57:19.860 over at

00:57:20.120 the Fraser

00:57:20.400 Institute

00:57:20.800 Tom

00:57:21.200 talking about

00:57:22.360 how federal

00:57:22.880 indigenous

00:57:23.360 spending

00:57:23.840 has almost

00:57:24.320 tripled

00:57:24.860 since

00:57:25.580 Justin Trudeau

00:57:26.400 came into

00:57:27.220 office

00:57:27.760 projected to

00:57:29.220 be

00:57:29.480 32 billion

00:57:30.880 dollars

00:57:31.480 that is

00:57:32.760 going

00:57:33.120 to

00:57:34.040 these

00:57:34.600 groups

00:57:35.080 why don't

00:57:35.980 you walk

00:57:36.260 us through

00:57:36.520 your report

00:57:37.120 yeah

00:57:37.780 okay

00:57:40.520 the tripling

00:57:41.360 of spending

00:57:43.160 is based

00:57:43.700 on the

00:57:44.040 budgets

00:57:44.320 of two

00:57:44.680 departments

00:57:45.180 the

00:57:45.580 indigenous

00:57:46.840 services

00:57:47.500 and

00:57:48.320 what's

00:57:49.680 the name

00:57:49.880 of the

00:57:50.060 other one

00:57:50.380 the one

00:57:50.640 that deals

00:57:51.740 with

00:57:52.980 indigenous

00:57:54.380 Indian

00:57:55.160 governments

00:57:55.960 anyway

00:57:57.440 we have

00:57:57.780 two

00:57:58.000 two

00:57:58.760 departments

00:57:59.280 that focus

00:57:59.820 on government

00:58:00.400 affairs

00:58:00.740 and the

00:58:01.720 allocations

00:58:02.320 for those

00:58:03.080 departments

00:58:05.960 have

00:58:06.320 gone from

00:58:07.560 approximately

00:58:08.520 11 billion

00:58:09.140 dollars to

00:58:09.820 approximately

00:58:10.760 32 billion

00:58:11.500 dollars

00:58:11.940 in the

00:58:12.720 time that

00:58:13.120 liberals

00:58:13.440 have been

00:58:13.780 in power

00:58:14.180 now those

00:58:14.960 are nominal

00:58:15.440 dollars

00:58:15.980 I haven't

00:58:16.420 adjusted

00:58:16.760 that for

00:58:17.240 changes

00:58:18.780 in the

00:58:19.040 cost of

00:58:19.440 living

00:58:19.660 so maybe

00:58:20.640 the real

00:58:21.080 change is

00:58:21.660 two and a

00:58:22.260 half times

00:58:22.700 rather than

00:58:23.160 three times

00:58:23.660 but it is

00:58:24.360 still a

00:58:25.340 huge change

00:58:25.980 in addition

00:58:27.640 to that

00:58:28.340 we have

00:58:29.760 the

00:58:30.200 liberal

00:58:31.340 policy

00:58:32.120 of

00:58:32.660 rolling

00:58:34.240 over

00:58:34.820 on

00:58:35.440 specific

00:58:35.920 claims

00:58:36.600 excuse me

00:58:38.120 well

00:58:38.320 mainly

00:58:38.600 specific claims

00:58:39.520 are part

00:58:39.840 of it

00:58:40.020 but

00:58:40.160 the

00:58:40.640 bigger

00:58:40.880 part

00:58:41.280 is

00:58:41.560 the

00:58:41.680 class

00:58:41.960 actions

00:58:42.380 based

00:58:43.340 on

00:58:43.680 claims

00:58:44.600 of

00:58:44.860 historic

00:58:45.440 maltreatment

00:58:46.460 and

00:58:46.660 starting

00:58:47.500 with

00:58:47.720 schools

00:58:48.120 but then

00:58:48.540 expanding

00:58:49.020 into

00:58:49.260 other

00:58:49.520 areas

00:58:49.960 and

00:58:51.120 as soon

00:58:51.820 as liberals

00:58:52.160 came to

00:58:52.580 power

00:58:52.880 they stopped

00:58:53.400 contesting

00:58:53.960 these claims

00:58:55.200 and they

00:58:55.660 said we'll

00:58:56.080 negotiate

00:58:56.540 rather than

00:58:57.820 litigate

00:58:58.280 and that's

00:59:00.040 what has

00:59:00.460 built up

00:59:01.080 the

00:59:01.520 76 billion

00:59:03.420 dollars

00:59:03.900 recorded

00:59:04.900 for contingent

00:59:05.700 liabilities

00:59:06.300 which have

00:59:07.480 alarmed

00:59:07.860 the

00:59:08.020 parliamentary

00:59:08.380 budget

00:59:08.820 officer

00:59:09.380 contingent

00:59:10.540 liabilities

00:59:11.060 are

00:59:11.560 contingent

00:59:13.900 in the

00:59:14.160 sense

00:59:14.360 that we

00:59:14.740 don't know

00:59:15.040 for sure

00:59:15.520 what the

00:59:15.940 amount

00:59:16.280 will be

00:59:16.940 but we

00:59:17.780 think

00:59:18.020 there's

00:59:18.280 going to

00:59:18.540 be

00:59:18.820 a big

00:59:19.580 payout

00:59:20.140 and

00:59:21.380 they don't

00:59:22.300 go into

00:59:22.660 the budget

00:59:23.660 of the

00:59:24.220 departments

00:59:24.920 that deal

00:59:25.640 with

00:59:25.900 native

00:59:26.840 affairs

00:59:27.260 they

00:59:27.540 they're

00:59:29.160 just in

00:59:29.580 the general

00:59:30.020 budget

00:59:30.380 and

00:59:30.760 when it

00:59:31.760 comes

00:59:32.040 true

00:59:32.380 they're

00:59:32.700 dispensed

00:59:33.360 by

00:59:33.940 well

00:59:36.320 whoever

00:59:37.000 writes

00:59:37.560 checks

00:59:37.860 from

00:59:38.120 the

00:59:38.340 general

00:59:38.880 revenue

00:59:39.220 fund

00:59:39.540 so

00:59:40.800 it's

00:59:40.980 a

00:59:41.120 separate

00:59:41.380 stream

00:59:41.860 of

00:59:42.060 spending

00:59:42.480 and

00:59:43.380 that

00:59:43.740 amount

00:59:44.020 when the

00:59:44.320 liberals

00:59:44.520 came to

00:59:44.920 power

00:59:45.340 was about

00:59:47.200 10 billion

00:59:47.740 now it's

00:59:48.400 up to

00:59:48.800 last time

00:59:49.740 they looked

00:59:50.080 it was

00:59:50.340 76 billion

00:59:51.240 so there's

00:59:52.380 huge

00:59:52.600 and it's

00:59:53.160 going to

00:59:53.380 grow

00:59:53.580 because

00:59:53.860 there are

00:59:54.160 lots

00:59:54.420 of

00:59:54.560 class

00:59:54.860 actions

00:59:55.260 out

00:59:55.560 there

00:59:55.880 and

00:59:58.540 unless

00:59:58.860 the

00:59:59.080 policy

00:59:59.440 of the

00:59:59.620 government

00:59:59.860 changes

01:00:00.320 we're

01:00:01.260 going to

01:00:01.640 bring up

01:00:02.020 more

01:00:02.420 of these

01:00:02.900 liabilities

01:00:04.360 which

01:00:04.680 take the

01:00:05.060 form

01:00:05.320 mainly

01:00:05.700 of payouts

01:00:06.680 to

01:00:06.880 individuals

01:00:07.440 but which

01:00:07.920 could be

01:00:08.140 very large

01:00:08.780 tens or

01:00:09.600 even

01:00:09.800 hundreds of

01:00:10.220 thousands

01:00:10.500 of dollars

01:00:11.080 per person

01:00:12.060 so my

01:00:14.920 article

01:00:15.380 talked about

01:00:17.600 the budget

01:00:18.920 of the

01:00:19.240 departments

01:00:19.780 of the

01:00:20.560 contingent

01:00:21.200 liabilities

01:00:21.780 mainly for

01:00:22.820 specific

01:00:23.300 claims

01:00:23.840 excuse me

01:00:24.680 mainly for

01:00:25.360 class actions

01:00:27.460 but that also

01:00:28.360 includes

01:00:28.760 specific claims

01:00:29.640 which are

01:00:30.140 claims that the

01:00:31.800 government didn't

01:00:32.460 administer the

01:00:33.080 Indian Act

01:00:33.540 properly

01:00:34.040 and so

01:00:34.540 now

01:00:35.240 large

01:00:36.740 payments

01:00:37.160 are due

01:00:37.560 and that

01:00:38.220 has also

01:00:38.680 exploded

01:00:39.220 under the

01:00:39.660 liberals

01:00:39.980 up to

01:00:41.220 billions of

01:00:41.800 dollars a

01:00:42.340 year

01:00:42.560 it used

01:00:42.900 to be

01:00:43.060 much

01:00:43.260 smaller

01:00:43.620 I didn't

01:00:46.640 try to

01:00:47.060 do

01:00:47.200 there's

01:00:47.500 another

01:00:47.780 stream

01:00:48.420 of spending

01:00:48.920 that I

01:00:49.240 didn't even

01:00:49.560 try to

01:00:49.960 do

01:00:50.140 and that

01:00:51.120 is

01:00:51.580 indigenous

01:00:52.560 programs

01:00:53.140 in other

01:00:53.900 departments

01:00:54.720 for example

01:00:55.900 fisheries

01:00:56.480 and oceans

01:00:57.200 is spending

01:00:58.960 hundreds of

01:00:59.460 millions of

01:00:59.900 dollars a

01:01:00.480 year

01:01:00.740 to promote

01:01:02.040 first nations

01:01:03.180 fishers

01:01:03.800 often by

01:01:06.380 buying up

01:01:06.980 license of

01:01:07.740 other

01:01:08.380 fishermen

01:01:08.780 almost every

01:01:11.380 department has

01:01:12.120 a special

01:01:12.600 program

01:01:13.160 for

01:01:14.420 indigenous

01:01:16.140 people or

01:01:16.740 for first

01:01:17.120 nations or

01:01:17.820 Métis or 0.77

01:01:18.260 whatever it

01:01:18.780 depends on

01:01:19.980 the program

01:01:20.820 so I

01:01:21.820 didn't attempt

01:01:22.320 to total

01:01:22.760 these I

01:01:23.880 don't know

01:01:24.240 that anybody

01:01:24.720 has but

01:01:25.980 this would

01:01:26.700 be a

01:01:27.640 multi-billion

01:01:28.200 dollar number

01:01:29.000 as well

01:01:29.740 which is

01:01:31.180 not in

01:01:31.540 the budgets

01:01:31.920 of the

01:01:32.300 two

01:01:32.480 departments

01:01:32.920 which

01:01:33.260 deal with

01:01:35.300 indigenous

01:01:35.700 affairs

01:01:36.180 as such

01:01:36.800 so there's

01:01:38.620 been this

01:01:39.000 huge spending

01:01:39.640 explosion

01:01:40.260 or I

01:01:41.040 call it

01:01:41.420 an avalanche

01:01:42.140 of money

01:01:42.560 in my

01:01:44.140 paper for

01:01:45.260 the Fraser

01:01:45.640 Institute

01:01:46.100 and it's

01:01:48.240 going to be

01:01:48.540 a priority

01:01:49.040 for any

01:01:49.540 new government

01:01:50.260 whether it's

01:01:51.420 liberal or

01:01:51.840 conservative

01:01:52.280 which has

01:01:52.840 any concern

01:01:53.660 for balancing

01:01:55.060 the budget

01:01:55.540 to try and

01:01:56.220 deal with

01:01:56.620 this

01:01:56.940 but it's

01:01:58.820 going to be

01:01:59.080 hard

01:01:59.460 the contingent

01:02:00.640 liabilities

01:02:01.240 are already

01:02:02.000 committed in

01:02:02.760 principle

01:02:03.240 to payments

01:02:05.860 the budgetary

01:02:07.840 explosion has

01:02:09.440 created programs

01:02:10.600 which may be

01:02:12.160 frivolous

01:02:12.760 but you know

01:02:14.040 there's always a

01:02:14.680 constituency for

01:02:15.560 every government

01:02:16.120 program

01:02:16.520 there's always a

01:02:17.360 group of people

01:02:17.920 who benefit from

01:02:18.700 it and

01:02:19.640 they will

01:02:20.360 cry to high

01:02:21.540 heaven if

01:02:22.520 their programs

01:02:23.060 are cancelled

01:02:23.680 I don't

01:02:26.840 know if

01:02:27.100 anybody in

01:02:27.620 Canada has 0.52

01:02:28.280 the backbone

01:02:29.640 of a

01:02:30.040 Trump to

01:02:30.480 just cancel

01:02:31.120 a bunch of

01:02:31.580 stuff all

01:02:32.020 at once

01:02:32.440 which is

01:02:33.400 one way

01:02:33.840 of dealing

01:02:34.180 with it

01:02:34.660 I think

01:02:35.720 you'd have

01:02:36.380 to because

01:02:36.780 I think

01:02:37.360 even objectively

01:02:38.220 it's not like

01:02:38.820 these programs

01:02:39.320 have resulted

01:02:39.900 in incredible

01:02:41.500 increases in

01:02:42.340 standard of

01:02:42.840 living or

01:02:44.360 you know

01:02:44.980 better communities

01:02:46.560 and happier

01:02:47.020 people you

01:02:48.340 know by most

01:02:48.840 objective

01:02:49.200 standards

01:02:49.540 are still

01:02:51.280 suffering

01:02:51.740 many are

01:02:53.200 still living

01:02:53.600 without basic

01:02:54.200 necessities

01:02:54.800 so it's

01:02:56.440 quite distressing

01:02:57.160 to just see

01:02:57.740 runaway spending

01:02:58.620 obviously benefiting

01:02:59.980 a few at the

01:03:00.580 top and not

01:03:01.580 really changing

01:03:02.380 the day-to-day

01:03:03.300 life for so

01:03:04.420 many others

01:03:05.060 well you know

01:03:05.760 the one program

01:03:06.700 that has

01:03:07.800 actually brought

01:03:09.660 about a

01:03:10.320 measurable benefit

01:03:11.340 in the standard

01:03:12.640 of living of

01:03:13.440 First Nations

01:03:14.240 people on

01:03:15.100 reserve

01:03:15.580 is the

01:03:17.320 change to the

01:03:18.460 child care

01:03:18.840 benefit which

01:03:19.520 the liberals

01:03:20.020 had acted

01:03:20.480 as soon as

01:03:22.880 they came

01:03:23.740 to power

01:03:24.280 and

01:03:25.500 it's

01:03:27.540 for higher

01:03:29.400 income people

01:03:30.000 it doesn't

01:03:30.400 matter so much

01:03:31.080 and some of

01:03:32.260 it will be

01:03:32.660 taxed back

01:03:33.400 maybe all of

01:03:34.260 it depending

01:03:34.660 on how much

01:03:35.380 what your

01:03:36.120 income is

01:03:36.480 but for lower

01:03:37.460 income people

01:03:38.280 and with

01:03:39.480 larger families

01:03:40.420 as tend

01:03:42.060 to be the

01:03:42.400 case on

01:03:43.640 reserves

01:03:44.160 the increase

01:03:45.820 in income

01:03:46.500 is

01:03:47.820 significant

01:03:49.480 and

01:03:50.700 you know

01:03:52.040 I'm in

01:03:52.360 favor of

01:03:52.760 children

01:03:53.120 I think

01:03:53.760 we need

01:03:54.040 more of

01:03:54.500 them

01:03:55.020 so

01:03:55.840 I'm not

01:03:57.780 too concerned

01:03:58.440 about an

01:03:59.100 increase in

01:03:59.760 pay

01:03:59.900 but what's

01:04:00.580 interesting

01:04:00.920 is this

01:04:01.600 program was

01:04:02.660 not targeted

01:04:03.440 for First

01:04:04.020 Nations or

01:04:04.600 indigenous

01:04:05.000 people

01:04:05.460 this was a

01:04:06.340 program

01:04:06.720 designed to

01:04:07.800 benefit

01:04:08.340 all Canadians

01:04:09.820 below a

01:04:10.620 certain income

01:04:11.180 level

01:04:11.540 it benefits

01:04:12.380 tens of

01:04:12.860 millions of

01:04:13.320 people

01:04:13.660 you know

01:04:15.140 you could

01:04:15.380 debate

01:04:15.680 whether the

01:04:16.140 program is

01:04:16.600 needed or

01:04:17.000 not

01:04:17.180 but it

01:04:17.780 was not

01:04:18.360 targeted

01:04:18.860 so the

01:04:19.760 one thing

01:04:20.400 that has

01:04:20.820 measurably

01:04:21.380 helped the

01:04:22.400 standard of

01:04:22.900 living on

01:04:23.340 reserve

01:04:23.760 was not a

01:04:24.940 First Nations

01:04:25.380 program at

01:04:26.060 all

01:04:26.880 so my

01:04:28.820 general

01:04:29.120 conclusion

01:04:29.580 is that

01:04:30.200 the best

01:04:32.600 way to

01:04:32.900 help

01:04:33.240 First

01:04:34.440 Nations

01:04:34.660 people

01:04:34.960 is by

01:04:35.340 general

01:04:35.940 programs

01:04:37.420 which

01:04:37.900 encourage

01:04:39.120 family

01:04:39.500 formation

01:04:40.060 which

01:04:40.460 encourage

01:04:41.020 paid

01:04:41.860 work

01:04:42.340 and so

01:04:43.500 on

01:04:43.780 rather

01:04:46.340 than

01:04:46.560 trying to

01:04:46.920 target

01:04:47.340 things

01:04:48.440 narrowly

01:04:49.160 particularly

01:04:49.760 based on

01:04:50.760 the assumption

01:04:51.720 that they

01:04:52.260 were terribly

01:04:52.760 mistreated

01:04:53.280 in the

01:04:53.580 past

01:04:54.000 something I

01:04:55.580 should have

01:04:55.820 said about

01:04:56.200 sugarcane

01:04:56.780 if I

01:04:58.180 can just

01:04:58.420 go back

01:04:58.700 there for

01:04:59.000 a second

01:04:59.300 it's

01:04:59.520 related

01:04:59.840 all these

01:05:00.900 people

01:05:01.300 talk about

01:05:03.100 how they

01:05:04.300 were harmed

01:05:04.840 in residential

01:05:05.360 school

01:05:05.820 and how

01:05:06.940 they you

01:05:07.980 know they

01:05:08.300 deserve

01:05:08.600 compensation

01:05:09.060 for it

01:05:09.860 but they

01:05:10.960 all got

01:05:11.360 compensation

01:05:11.920 already

01:05:12.460 all these

01:05:13.500 people who

01:05:14.040 attended

01:05:14.420 residential

01:05:14.940 school

01:05:15.360 would have

01:05:16.540 participated

01:05:17.080 in the

01:05:17.640 settlement

01:05:17.980 which was

01:05:19.140 reached

01:05:19.440 class action

01:05:20.040 settlement

01:05:20.480 finally inked

01:05:22.140 in 2008

01:05:23.140 and the

01:05:24.960 payments

01:05:25.360 were tens

01:05:26.700 or even

01:05:27.100 hundreds of

01:05:27.520 thousands

01:05:27.820 of dollars

01:05:28.460 depending upon

01:05:29.800 alleged

01:05:30.200 grievances

01:05:30.820 a mistreatment

01:05:32.200 in the

01:05:32.440 schools

01:05:32.840 I mean all

01:05:33.540 these people

01:05:34.020 would have

01:05:34.360 had their

01:05:34.880 compensation

01:05:35.720 already

01:05:36.400 but here

01:05:37.620 they are

01:05:38.000 again

01:05:38.360 talking about

01:05:39.440 the need

01:05:39.960 for another

01:05:40.680 round

01:05:41.220 of compensation

01:05:43.580 and they've

01:05:44.060 had their

01:05:44.400 apologies

01:05:44.960 they've had

01:05:47.300 a cascade

01:05:47.780 of new

01:05:48.360 programs

01:05:49.040 like

01:05:50.780 everything

01:05:51.680 that government

01:05:52.200 could conceivably

01:05:53.040 do

01:05:53.480 has been

01:05:55.320 done

01:05:55.720 but they

01:05:56.900 are creating

01:05:58.000 bogus

01:05:59.080 stories

01:06:00.240 about

01:06:01.540 infanticide

01:06:03.360 and throwing

01:06:04.420 babies in the

01:06:05.060 incinerator

01:06:05.740 and so on

01:06:06.440 which are

01:06:08.420 without evidence

01:06:09.200 but it's

01:06:09.740 I'm not saying

01:06:11.340 the motive is

01:06:12.040 to get more

01:06:12.560 money

01:06:12.860 but I can't

01:06:13.900 get inside

01:06:14.340 people's minds

01:06:15.120 but they

01:06:16.360 certainly are

01:06:17.240 asking for

01:06:17.860 more compensation

01:06:18.580 in the movie

01:06:20.080 and again

01:06:20.580 this is another

01:06:21.260 falsehood in the

01:06:22.680 movie

01:06:22.980 that when

01:06:24.940 they ask for

01:06:25.580 compensation

01:06:26.040 there's no

01:06:26.700 voice saying

01:06:27.920 well yeah

01:06:28.420 but they already

01:06:29.040 got $200,000

01:06:30.740 a piece

01:06:31.420 or $50,000

01:06:32.220 depending on

01:06:32.800 the case

01:06:33.940 anyway

01:06:34.480 so the

01:06:35.660 spending is a

01:06:36.680 bit related

01:06:37.300 to the

01:06:37.800 sugar cane

01:06:38.400 so all these

01:06:39.800 atrocity stories

01:06:40.820 like Kamloops

01:06:41.600 and sugar cane

01:06:42.920 they feed a

01:06:43.920 mentality

01:06:44.620 of deservingness

01:06:46.720 like we need

01:06:48.620 more compensation

01:06:49.700 we need

01:06:50.380 government to

01:06:51.400 do more

01:06:51.880 things for

01:06:52.740 us

01:06:53.120 so they

01:06:54.680 are in fact

01:06:55.260 related

01:06:55.800 psychologically

01:06:56.740 well absolutely

01:06:58.340 we heard a lot

01:06:58.980 of that in the

01:06:59.640 wake of the

01:06:59.960 unmarked grave

01:07:00.480 story and I

01:07:01.000 think that's

01:07:01.280 sort of

01:07:01.900 again one

01:07:02.940 of the

01:07:03.300 things that

01:07:03.900 the liberals

01:07:04.160 do best is

01:07:04.820 they always

01:07:05.280 have a

01:07:06.080 solution to

01:07:06.740 borrow more

01:07:07.380 and spend

01:07:07.760 more to try

01:07:08.140 to fix

01:07:08.420 every problem

01:07:08.900 well Tom

01:07:10.000 Flanagan it's

01:07:10.560 been a pleasure

01:07:10.940 to have you

01:07:11.200 on the show

01:07:11.500 thank you for

01:07:12.020 setting the

01:07:12.420 record straight

01:07:13.160 bringing this

01:07:14.080 information to

01:07:15.200 the public

01:07:15.780 we'll certainly

01:07:16.620 be reporting

01:07:17.180 on your next

01:07:18.580 report there

01:07:19.120 so thanks for

01:07:19.940 your time and

01:07:20.380 thanks for all

01:07:20.780 the hard work

01:07:21.200 you do

01:07:21.560 okay and I

01:07:22.680 hope you spend

01:07:23.520 your child care

01:07:24.160 benefit wisely

01:07:25.040 well I'm

01:07:28.300 completely on

01:07:28.860 board with

01:07:29.360 we need more

01:07:30.180 children my

01:07:30.920 husband and I

01:07:31.340 are doing our

01:07:31.740 best with our

01:07:32.760 four little ones

01:07:33.480 but okay

01:07:34.800 thanks for your

01:07:35.340 time Tom

01:07:35.920 and to the

01:07:36.640 audience thank

01:07:37.200 you so much

01:07:37.960 for tuning in

01:07:39.160 I'm Candice

01:07:39.640 Malcolm this is

01:07:40.280 the Candice

01:07:40.620 Malcolm show

01:07:41.060 we'll be back

01:07:41.440 again tomorrow

01:07:42.020 with all the

01:07:42.960 news thank you

01:07:43.980 and God bless

01:07:44.720 you

The Candice Malcolm Show - January 29, 2025

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