The Candice Malcolm Show - May 13, 2025


Liberals inch closer to a MAJORITY ｜ Carney’s new Trudeau Cabinet ｜ Keean and Candice DISAGREE about Alberta’s future

Topics
Alberta separatism
Hosted by
Candice Malcolm
Mentioned
Mark Carney Elizabeth May Ken Paxton Nathaniel Sinclair Desanets Candace Malcolm Donald Trump Bloc MP Augusta
Preston Manning： Mark Carney will be Canada’s LAST Prime Minister CBC ATTACKS the Conservatives for… wanting to protect election integrity？

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Candace Malm and Kian Bexley talk about the latest recount in the federal election and recount in Terrebonne, Quebec, where a woman claims she voted for the Liberals but they refused to accept her vote.

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00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candace Malcolm and this is The Candace Malcolm Show. We have a great episode for
00:00:05.680 you today. After the federal election, I did a broadcast where I talked about the good
00:00:09.740 news about the election. One of the things that I thought was pretty good was the fact
00:00:13.280 that the Conservatives were able to hold the Liberals to a minority government and I predicted
00:00:17.340 there'd be another election inside two years. Well, I may have to go back on that prediction
00:00:22.000 because it seems like the Liberals are, by hell or high water, going to find a way to
00:00:26.500 get a majority government in Canada, find a way to rule this country, one party rule.
00:00:31.380 And so we are going to go through the latest shenanigans when it comes to Elections Canada
00:00:36.080 and the recount. And joining me today, I'm very pleased to welcome Kian Bexley, co-founder
00:00:40.360 of Juno News and journalist based in Calgary. Kian, welcome to the show.
00:00:44.720 Hi, Candace. It really is recount and count again until you win, hey?
00:00:49.080 This is unbelievable, this story. OK, let me walk you through it, folks, because this is
00:00:52.800 the headline over at CBC. Liberals won in Terrebonne, Quebec by one vote. But this woman's
00:00:58.220 ballot wasn't counted. So the original story is that there were several recounts in this
00:01:03.380 writing in suburban Montreal. It went back and forth. So when you read the details, it's
00:01:07.060 unbelievable. Let me just read the story. Elections Canada says it is investigating after a voter
00:01:11.700 in a Quebec writing came forward with an envelope that had been returned to sender. Inside was
00:01:16.340 a vote for Bloc Quebecois in the Terrebonne writing. Where it stands, as it stands, incoming
00:01:21.480 Liberal MP Tatiana Agusta was declared the winner by one vote after several recounts. So
00:01:27.360 they recounted this thing several times. Turns out they found that the Liberals won by one
00:01:31.200 vote. And then a woman shows up and says, wait a minute, I voted for the Bloc, but they 0.75
00:01:35.160 never accepted my vote. And so I don't see a way how this is going to stand. Let me just
00:01:41.000 again go through the details because it's really stranger than fiction. Elections Canada said
00:01:45.540 the return address printed on the elector's return envelope was incorrect, specifically part
00:01:50.660 of the postal code. We're still working to gather all the facts. We'll be able to get back to you
00:01:55.540 as soon as we have more information, the agency said in a statement to CBC News. The voter, however,
00:02:00.060 remains irked, obviously, because she said that she sent it on time. So according to the, you know,
00:02:07.340 the Elections Canada, Canada Post tracks this. So she said that her vote was mailed on April 5th.
00:02:14.980 So plenty of time before the April 28th election. And then it was returned to her after the election
00:02:19.080 on May 2nd. And of course, you can see that the postal code was incorrect, but she didn't write
00:02:24.120 the envelope herself, right? When you have a special ballot, when you vote by mail, Elections Canada
00:02:28.860 gives you a pre-written envelope that has the address. So it was Elections Canada that made the
00:02:35.300 mistake. And so I don't see how this is going to stand. I think that there will be some kind of,
00:02:41.460 like this, they'll take this to court for sure. But let me just read the details about what happened.
00:02:45.920 On election night, Terrebonne initially went to Augusta, so the Liberal, by 35 votes. But after
00:02:52.040 a standard validation process, the result flips to the incumbent Bloc MP, Nathaniel Sinclair
00:03:00.240 Desanets, by 44 votes. So did you catch that, Kian? So initially, the Liberals won by 35 votes.
00:03:06.120 Then they did a recount, and they found that the Bloc won by 44 votes. So it's not even in the same
00:03:11.680 universe. We're talking about a difference of 79 votes. And then they did another recount. This
00:03:17.820 triggered an automatic judicial recount. Days later, it showed that Augusta had won by a single vote. So
00:03:22.880 they found 35, disappeared to 44, back down to one. And unbelievable, this thing has switched back and
00:03:29.520 forth. And now it's just 1%. So when you look at the official numbers there, you see just how
00:03:36.260 unbelievably, incredibly close it is. Terrebonne, the Liberals got 23,352 votes, and the Bloc 23,351.
00:03:48.240 What a mess, right? We're supposed to believe in the integrity of Elections Canada. We're supposed
00:03:51.980 to say, oh, you know, we trust that the election was sound. You know, there's been so many stories,
00:03:56.540 let me just go through a couple of them. Elections Canada failed to count hundreds of ballots
00:04:00.760 left in a Vancouver office, 822 special ballots. Oops, we found them after the election. They don't
00:04:07.120 count. We have two other recounts underway. One in rural Newfoundland, riding where the Liberals
00:04:11.740 had a 12-vote lead. That is Terranova, the Peninsulas. And then another one, a judge approved
00:04:17.540 a ballot recount in Windsor, Tecumse, Lakeshore. So here we are, three weeks after the election,
00:04:22.820 two and a half weeks after the election. There's still some outstanding votes. We know that the
00:04:26.660 Liberals need 172 seats to get their majority. Right now they stand at 170, which means they
00:04:34.740 are two seats away, even with the Speaker, of getting to a majority. All they have to
00:04:40.120 do is just convince one or two Bloc or NDP or Elizabeth May to come over, jump over to 1.00
00:04:46.880 the Liberal side, and we could be seeing a four-year nightmare scenario. What do you think, Ian?
00:04:51.660 Well, Elizabeth May is already committed. She said that she would join Cabinet. She said she
00:04:56.060 would do whatever it takes to support Mark Carney. So you can just count the Green MP to be a member
00:05:02.100 of the Liberal Party. Mark Carney, you know, we watched election night together and we saw the
00:05:08.540 numbers just sort of slowly move to exactly what they needed for a majority. And then when they didn't
00:05:15.260 get it, oh, it was the recounts and then a recount again and keep recounting until we get the result
00:05:20.440 that we want. And now they're saying that that one specific writing that you were mentioning
00:05:25.200 is within a one vote margin and some votes for the Bloc were thrown out. A lot of Canadians are
00:05:30.260 saying right now, and I tend to agree, that these writings that were won by less than 400 votes and
00:05:35.420 they have more than 400 spoiled ballots, Elections Canada should be obligated to store those ballots,
00:05:42.240 scan them, and explain what happened to each and every rejected or spoiled ballot or damaged ballot
00:05:49.340 or whatever it whatever it was. I've been on the inside count room of a lot of elections, both
00:05:54.420 general elections as a scrutineer and in political nomination contests. And I can tell you whether a
00:06:01.180 ballot is accepted or rejected is a very political process and very subjective sometimes too.
00:06:08.400 You know, one rule is that you can't identify yourself when you're marking the ballot. And if you
00:06:13.960 people put some really crazy, you think that people would just put an X on the ballot, but they don't.
00:06:18.560 Sometimes they put a B, sometimes they put a one, sometimes they put a check mark, sometimes they
00:06:23.560 put an X on the ballot. And the point of putting a ballot in the ballot box with nobody knowing who
00:06:30.940 put that ballot in there, you know, there's a whole reason and process behind it. But at the end of the
00:06:36.380 day, what matters is voter intention and being able to say, yes, the voter wanted to send this candidate
00:06:43.780 to Ottawa one way or another, and they didn't identify who they were. And if you're able to do that,
00:06:47.980 the ballot should be counted. And the fact that we can't see all those ballots and audit them with
00:06:53.260 our own eyes, and we just have to trust that, oh, this writing had 500 spoiled ballots and the
00:06:58.840 candidate won by one vote. It's like, hmm, the liberal incumbent won by one vote. Hmm, really?
00:07:03.900 That's really strange to me, I think. And the fact that Carney is just getting right up to what
00:07:08.900 he needs to get a majority government, like within a seat or two, it might even with the speaker,
00:07:14.020 or he might actually have it with Elizabeth May not crossing the floor, but, you know,
00:07:19.000 basically doing that with her vote. She said she would be a speaker or she would be in cabinet with 0.62
00:07:26.000 Carney. And it's a bit of a joke that Mark Carney was able to steal this away from Canadians when they
00:07:32.800 so obviously didn't want to give him a majority on election night. That's so true. And just the fact
00:07:38.640 that you immediately had a woman come forth saying, my ballot was rejected because of a mistake by 0.80
00:07:44.360 Elections Canada. It wasn't like she filled out the envelope herself. It was Elections Canada with
00:07:48.420 a pre-printed return envelope that caused it. I mean, how many other ballots have we just not
00:07:53.920 heard about, right, that the person doesn't know about or got returned to senator and got lost in
00:07:58.460 the mail or something like that, right? Like the fact that they immediately had a person saying,
00:08:02.820 wait a minute, one vote, this writing went by one vote, this entire country could actually flip
00:08:07.640 to majority based on such a slim margin. Wow, folks, it really, really brings in the message.
00:08:14.020 One vote could have given Mark Carney a majority government based on Elections Canada's own
00:08:20.380 failure. You know, don't attribute to malice, but you can attribute to incompetence. And when it
00:08:25.900 comes to bureaucrats, there's plenty of that to go around. It is really, really, really, you know,
00:08:33.640 disappointing when you look at across the country, how individual writings were handled by Elections
00:08:40.600 Canada. And it's just, you know, it's beyond the pale in some cases with what happened in that
00:08:48.600 specific writing. Well, especially given what's happened in our country, say, over the last five
00:08:52.720 years since COVID. Like I would say trust in institutions and big government institutions
00:08:56.600 is probably at an all time low, especially with a subset of Canadians. Some of them are probably
00:09:01.060 viewing this show right now that they just don't trust the government. They don't trust these
00:09:04.880 institutions to do what they're supposed to. So yes, I agree. Don't attribute it to malice. It could
00:09:09.140 just probably be sheer incompetence. But there is some malice out there as well. And I think that's
00:09:13.460 why it's important to point some of these things out. Kian, I know we're on YouTube and we don't want to
00:09:20.020 get censored. I do want to get to a couple of other topics here. I want to talk about
00:09:23.860 Mark Carney introducing his new cabinet. He says that he has presented a small focus cabinet with
00:09:29.660 fewer than 30 ministers and up to 10 secretaries of state. These were announced just earlier today.
00:09:34.220 There was some speculation that Chrystia Freeland would not be appointed in cabinet. Well, that is 0.98
00:09:38.220 not true. She has been demoted down to minister of trade. The original post that Donald Trump literally
00:09:44.740 mentioned in the Oval Office last week that he really didn't like her in this role. And now here she is
00:09:49.700 minister of trade. So we're going to go through that. And I want to talk to you a little bit about
00:09:53.760 the Alberta separatist project. Because I know you're out in Alberta. I know you're a patriotic
00:09:58.240 Canadian. You love our country. But you have been reporting on the ground. And we're going to talk
00:10:02.720 about the Alberta prosperity project and how they are unveiling their referendum question.
00:10:08.760 Yeah. I have a lot to say about Alberta separatism. And I want to set the record straight on what I
00:10:14.660 actually think about it. Because a lot of people online sort of say that, oh, you know,
00:10:20.340 Kian must be, you know... Wait, wait. Hold that thought. Hold that thought. I want to 1.00
00:10:24.620 get your opinion. You're going to tell us exactly what you think. But folks, we're going to do
00:10:27.240 something a little different today. So Kian and I are going to hop over to Juno News. And we're going
00:10:32.140 to complete the show. We're going to finish the show for subscribers only. So if you want to watch the
00:10:35.820 rest of our conversation, we're going to talk about Alberta separatism. We're going to talk a bit more
00:10:38.800 about Mark Carney. And we also have some... We're going to read our hate mail. We have some hate
00:10:43.760 mail, especially a couple of pieces from Legacy Media that have been... They've written about five
00:10:47.660 hit pieces on us since we launched. Actually more than that, just since the election. So they really
00:10:51.620 have a lot to say about us. We're going to read some fan mail as well. So if you want to join all of
00:10:55.540 that, head on over to JunoNews.com. Become a premium subscriber. And we're going to do these
00:11:01.080 fireside chats frequently with the founders of Juno News, myself, Candice Malcolm, and Kian Bexty. So
00:11:07.160 join us over there. And we're going to have a lot of fun.