The Candice Malcolm Show - Mark Carney CAUGHT lying

00:00:00.000 Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for joining us.

00:00:11.980 Hope everyone had a wonderful long weekend. I said on the show yesterday that it was family

00:00:16.680 day in Ontario and Alberta. One of the viewers let me know that they also celebrate it in British

00:00:22.540 Columbia, which I am embarrassed to say I didn't know. I'm from British Columbia, but it was

00:00:26.180 definitely not a thing when I was growing up. So hope everyone had a wonderful long weekend. We've

00:00:30.440 got a lot of news to get to today. I want to really get in to Mark Carney because the more that we see

00:00:35.920 from Mr. Carney, the more that we get to know him as a personality, as a leader, the more things start

00:00:41.720 to fall apart, the more his claims don't add up. We're starting to see many contradictions, the two

00:00:47.380 sides of Mark Carney. We have bait and switches and sleight of hands to try to confuse you, to try to

00:00:53.740 sort of speak over your head to make you think that he's going to do good things for the country,

00:00:58.360 that he's going to balance the budget, that he's going to get pipeline built. But then at the same

00:01:02.620 time, he's basically saying the exact opposite. So we are going to go through it all and show you

00:01:06.940 the real side of Mark Carney. My guest on the show today is Chris Sims, the Alberta Director for the

00:01:13.260 Canadian Taxpayers Federation. She is a longtime journalist, former host of CFRA 580 Radio. And back in the day,

00:01:21.420 we work together at the Sun News Network. Chris, thank you so much for joining the show.

00:01:26.120 Great to be with you. Thanks, Candice.

00:01:27.620 You were the one that pointed out to me that we launched Juno News on the 10-year anniversary of

00:01:32.420 the end of Sun News. You were there from the very beginning of Sun, right till the very end. I know

00:01:37.700 it was very sort of bittersweet when that ended. But I think, you know, given what is happening in the

00:01:44.740 Canadian media landscape, like there's so many independent voices, there's so many thriving

00:01:48.700 journalists who are seeking to tell the other side of the story, even though it was, you know,

00:01:53.100 we've been through some hard times as conservatives, independent conservative journalists, or just

00:01:58.300 independent journalists. I think that the situation today is much better. What do you think?

00:02:03.660 It is. It was really hard that day. And I did think that you had picked the day on purpose,

00:02:08.380 because it was the 10th anniversary. So that was quite serendipitous. But out of Sun News Network's

00:02:13.300 Ashes, as you so rightly put it on X, we saw True North start, we saw Rebel News start, we saw so many of 1.00

00:02:20.500 our contributors go to start up the Western Standard. And then we saw folks like, you know, Paige McPherson go

00:02:26.420 over to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, she's now with Fraser. And our former colleague Brian Lilly is still with

00:02:32.180 Sun, because he's technically with the paper. But of course, Brian does excellent video interviews as well. Just landed one with

00:02:39.220 Steve Bannon when he was down in DC. So in many ways, Sun News Network lives on. We're just a gestalt now.

00:02:47.100 Yeah, we're gonna get to that Brian Lilly interview with Steve Bannon later on the show, because I really think

00:02:51.580 it raises some interesting points that the rest of the media leave out. And that's the point of independent

00:02:56.620 media and even, you know, voices in the in the establishment like Brian Lilly is with the Toronto Sun, but he's still

00:03:02.360 willing to go places that most journalists aren't. Chris, I want to start the show by talking about this

00:03:07.060 unbelievable footage that came out of Toronto Pearson Airport yesterday. So this is sort of like the worst

00:03:13.180 nightmare for us who travel and get on planes with some frequency, a Delta Airlines plane crash landed

00:03:18.820 at Toronto Pearson amid fiercely cold and very wild winter weather. So Sean, if we can put up images of

00:03:26.940 what that looks like as B roll here, but the Delta Airlines flight, you can just see this new clip that came

00:03:33.680 out. You can see it going down and basically hitting ice, sliding and turning into a ball of flames.

00:03:43.800 Some say the bubbles in an arrow truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.

00:03:48.740 Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light. Rich, creamy, chocolatey arrow truffle.

00:03:55.240 Feel the arrow bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.

00:03:58.240 Just absolutely terrifying footage there because you could see the plane was going down as normal

00:04:08.520 about to land when I don't know exactly what happened. It just seemed like it hit the ground,

00:04:13.340 turned into a flame, a ball of flames. It's unbelievable that nobody was nobody was killed.

00:04:18.800 We have reports of at least eight people were seriously injured, including one person in critical

00:04:24.220 condition. A child as well was sustained injuries. Let's go on to show the next video because basically

00:04:30.420 the plane then landed upside down and you can see people climbing out of the plane here while they're

00:04:35.960 working to put out the fire. And you can just see the absolutely treacherous runway and the snow on

00:04:44.320 the ground there. Frigid, cold, cold, icy temperatures in Toronto. But, you know, it's unbelievable

00:04:52.900 because, you know, I was talking to a friend who's not from Toronto and she said, you know,

00:04:58.220 is this normal? Like, isn't the runway like this every year around this time? And I said,

00:05:04.320 yeah, I've never seen anything like this in my entire life. I've never seen a plane land on ice

00:05:08.860 and flip like that. I mean, given how much fuel and gasoline are in these planes, it is remarkable

00:05:14.740 it didn't just burst into a bigger ball of flame and that people, not only that anybody survived that,

00:05:20.440 but that everybody survived it is an absolute miracle. Chris, what do you think?

00:05:25.400 It is a miracle. The footage from inside the plane where the person's walking on the ceiling that I'm

00:05:31.160 sure most people have seen. Yeah, I think we have that as well. So you can see the plane is upside

00:05:36.660 down. They're walking and coming out. They're being told to put their phones away. Sorry to interrupt

00:05:41.440 you, Chris. No, it's just so remarkable. And look there, see above it, that charred black thing

00:05:46.540 that clearly looks like the wing part that ripped off when the thing flipped over. It's astonishing.

00:05:53.500 I just, my heart went into my throat when I saw what was happening on X and it was breaking.

00:05:58.280 It's a miracle people survived this. I pray for the people who are in critical condition.

00:06:03.620 And I think it starts bringing up stories of people who have been in situations that have been scary on

00:06:09.440 a flight. There was a flight that was landing once. It was my whole family. We were landing in Calgary.

00:06:14.500 I'll never forget it. The stewardess screamed. People were sobbing and throwing up. The pilot

00:06:20.500 bailed on the landing at the last second and cranked the plane almost into a vertical.

00:06:25.920 It was so frightening. And everybody thought this is it. Everybody thought this is it.

00:06:32.320 And thank God the pilot was able to circle and land safely. But if you looked out the south window,

00:06:39.040 Candace landing in Calgary from BC, so you're looking south, pitch black. You look up the north,

00:06:46.580 bright sunny day. So there were some crazy weather pattern that was coming in with these freak wind

00:06:51.700 storms that caused this. Thankfully, we all got off the plane safely. A lot of people went straight to

00:06:57.940 the bar after they got into the airport. But it's just remarkable that these folks are going to be okay,

00:07:04.320 we hope. And look how quickly the emergency services got there. It looks like they were on them right

00:07:08.920 away. So it was quite something seeing that yesterday. Wow. What a scary moment. I think

00:07:14.720 we've all kind of had tense moments up in the sky like that and really just sobering to see so many

00:07:23.000 incidents already this year in 2025 of horrible tragedies. And I think we're just so lucky that we

00:07:30.820 didn't have anything more serious yesterday. And it reminds you, you know, when you're when you're

00:07:35.160 about to land, you think, okay, I'm safe. We're here. Right. And it was like, you know, sometimes

00:07:40.100 people might take their seatbelts off or get ready to stand up a little too early. Those might have

00:07:43.880 been the people that got injured because, you know, the plane ended up upside down. So your seatbelt

00:07:48.260 would have been the only thing holding you in. And I know for myself, usually when I'm flying,

00:07:51.820 I'm holding a baby, right? Because the baby doesn't have their own seat. So imagine if you're holding a

00:07:55.920 baby, you have a child next to you, you could imagine just just how scary that was. But again,

00:08:01.760 tremendous work from the first responders there in Toronto to ensure that there were no injuries

00:08:06.680 that people were out safely before, you know, something worse could have happened, like the

00:08:10.420 plane caught fire. So a pretty scary story. But again, fortunate that nothing happened. I want to

00:08:15.840 move on to talk a little bit about Mark Carney, because there was a explosive interview that he did on

00:08:20.800 CBC News on Sunday night with Rosemary Barton. Now, I know a lot of people in the independent

00:08:26.040 and conservative circles accuse Rosemary Barton of not being a very good journalist and being quite

00:08:30.080 biased, especially towards Justin Trudeau. I actually thought she did a tremendous job in

00:08:34.160 this interview with Mark Carney to the point where he wasn't really prepared for it, because I think he

00:08:39.620 thought it was going to be an easy softball interview. And you can kind of see the mask start to slip

00:08:44.420 when she presses him and asks him some tough questions. I'm going to play this clip where Rosemary

00:08:49.040 Barton, sure, she's polite, but she's firm. And she asks him to describe what makes Carney different

00:08:55.320 than Trudeau. Now, I just want to point out a few things before we play the clip. Note how he

00:08:59.720 responds and how he looks. You can see that he's getting a little annoyed, agitated. The differences

00:09:05.100 that he describes are incredibly superficial. Like he didn't have a good answer for how he's different

00:09:09.980 than Trudeau. He goes straight to the most superficial things. We were born in different places and we play

00:09:14.240 different sports, which, you know, to the Canadian public, it's like, okay, that's not very

00:09:19.320 substantive. And then he's so nervous in this response, Chris, that he actually spills his

00:09:25.340 cup of water. His arms are flailing and he knocks over a glass of water and you can see that the shot

00:09:32.180 goes to Rosemary Barton and she's looking a little surprised by how uncomfortable he is over what should

00:09:36.860 be a super straightforward question. Okay, so let's play that clip and then I'll get your reaction to it.

00:09:40.920 Why should Canadians believe you'll do anything differently, though, than Justin Trudeau?

00:09:45.660 You've advised him, you've given him advice, you've been a liberal. So what is going to be markedly different?

00:09:53.580 We're very different people, Prime Minister and I. We have different backgrounds. I was born in Northwest

00:09:58.100 Territories. He was born in Rideau Hall. You know, I'm a hockey goalie. He's a snowboarder. I focus on the

00:10:04.920 economy. He has had a different focus for Canada. He's, I think we have the same values and we're

00:10:12.920 trying to achieve the same ends.

00:10:13.920 So they have the same values trying to achieve the same ends, but bang. And I'm sorry, but the fact

00:10:21.880 that he's a hockey goalie and that Justin Trudeau is a snowboarder, is that supposed to illustrate

00:10:25.940 anything of depth that shows us the difference between these two men? Those are pretty similar

00:10:29.860 things. I mean, yeah, they're different sports, but they're both winter sports. And like when I think

00:10:33.640 of Mark Carney, I don't think he's personified as a hockey goalie. That's just like a side thing that he

00:10:38.800 happened to do. Same with Justin Trudeau and snowboarding. So I really thought that that was

00:10:42.780 a terrible answer. What did you think, Chris? Yeah, it was interesting. So journalists, no matter

00:10:49.420 where they're from, as you always say, we need to hold politicians to account. We need to hold the

00:10:55.120 powerful to account. It's our job quite often to get them on record. So you ask them tough questions,

00:11:00.700 you get them to commit to things or not out loud with their faces. The issue should be no different

00:11:06.880 if it's on the CBC. Now, of course, taxpayers shouldn't pay for the CBC, but it's very good

00:11:11.900 that she pushed him on this. And it's a really simple push. I mean, come on. He was clearly an

00:11:18.440 advisor for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Everybody who's in the arena knows this. He should have known

00:11:24.240 she was going to ask him a question like that. And he should have been better prepared. What I find

00:11:29.400 frustrating, though, Candace, is we get hundreds, in some cases, thousands of letters from supporters

00:11:36.640 who are really fighting to make ends meet. Like 50% of Canadians are broke, meaning they're within 200

00:11:44.760 bucks every month of not being able to make the minimum payments on their bills. And here we get

00:11:49.960 this banal chit chat difference between hockey goalies and snowboarders. Like, who cares? What

00:11:57.820 taxpayers and what a lot of hardworking Canadians care about is, how are you going to make my life

00:12:02.560 different? And when it comes to Carney, boy, oh boy, between his announcements that he's made on the

00:12:08.700 carbon taxes, and his story keeps changing and shifting on that, and his book that he just wrote

00:12:15.400 in the teeth of the lockdown, it was published in 2021. There's some really alarming things here for

00:12:21.260 people. And so these sort of things, I find it telling. And I really appreciate your point in him

00:12:25.640 knocking the water and stuff. So you kind of get more into his head and see how prepped he is.

00:12:30.300 But when it comes to the substance, these journalists have got to chase this guy down

00:12:34.800 and stick a mic in his face. 0.92

00:12:36.440 Well, the whole pitch about Mark Carney, I believe, is that he's this calm, stable hand,

00:12:41.160 that he has had all of this experience, that he knows what he's doing. He's an elite. He's an

00:12:45.700 expert. I mean, for goodness sakes, he said, I'm a globalist and an elitist. And that's exactly what

00:12:50.200 Canada needs, right? So given that his persona is supposed to be calm and cool and collected,

00:12:54.980 I really thought that him knocking the water over like that was something, because that didn't

00:12:59.840 really show me that he's a calm, collected guy. I want to get a little bit more into some of the

00:13:04.040 misleading claims that we have caught him saying two things out of different sides of his mouth.

00:13:09.160 This happens a lot in Canada, where a politician will say one thing in one part of the country,

00:13:13.620 and then they'll say something totally different in another part of the country. So here's a first

00:13:18.620 example of it. And I have two for us on the show today. But last Wednesday, Mark Carney was speaking

00:13:23.480 in Kelowna, BC. And one of the things that he pledged was that he was going to cut government

00:13:28.440 spending, and that he was going to balance the budget, Chris, within three years. Now those of

00:13:33.080 us who pay close attention know that even the Conservatives aren't promising that. Because

00:13:37.000 Justin Trudeau has blown out the budget so much, because he's operating a $61 billion deficit,

00:13:42.520 racked up over a trillion dollars in debt now, $1.2 trillion in the latest glance, it's going to be

00:13:48.020 really hard to cut the budget and get it balanced, because you're going to have to get rid of a lot.

00:13:51.600 So to hear Mark Carney say I'm going to balance in three years, it's like, wow, he must be a real

00:13:56.400 committed fiscal conservative. So here's a clip of him from Wednesday, February 2012, 2025, saying

00:14:02.240 that he will balance the budget. We need a government that spends less, but gets the country to invest

00:14:10.360 more. So my government will balance the spending budget within the first three years.

00:14:15.460 So just to point out, notice how the crowd applauds, right? Even liberal supporters know that

00:14:24.180 Canada is in big trouble fiscally because of Justin Trudeau. So the fact that he would balance

00:14:28.100 the budget is big news. And so you had the Wall Street Journal. This is the headline that they ran,

00:14:33.100 ex-central banker Mark Carney pledges to return to balanced budgets within three years, pointing out

00:14:39.840 the last time we had a budget surplus was in 2007, 2008. And so interesting, that's a big announcement

00:14:47.800 from Mark Carney. But then when he was on with Rosemary Barton, Chris, he changed his tune because

00:14:53.260 he was asked a specific question, will you balance the budget? And rather than just repeating what he

00:14:57.480 said in Kelowna, that yes, I'll balance the budget, he gets into these minute details that really tell us

00:15:04.060 that no, actually, he's not going to balance the budget, not even remotely. He wants to invest and

00:15:08.040 invest and invest, which is a politician speak for borrowing and spending more money. So let's play

00:15:13.500 this clip of him with Rosemary Barton on Sunday night. Will you balance the budget and how quickly?

00:15:18.660 A couple of things there. One of the things we're going to do later this week is go through

00:15:22.220 our new fiscal, what I would propose as our fiscal rules. Core to that is to reduce spending of the

00:15:30.480 government. So to balance our operational spending over the course of the next three years, where we

00:15:36.800 are willing to borrow is to invest and grow this economy. That is an absolute crucial point.

00:15:43.640 So there'll be a deficit. It is a fundamental difference between the approach the government

00:15:48.400 has taken up until now. It is a fundamental difference between the approach of Pierre Polyev,

00:15:53.500 which is a trickle down. Okay, but there will be a deficit. It'll just be,

00:15:58.240 you'll justify it because it's investing in the economy, is that?

00:16:02.040 Investing in the economy at a time when we absolutely have to build as a country.

00:16:08.420 So Chris, I just want to quickly read from Campbell Clark in the Globe and Mail, because he caught this

00:16:13.320 and said, wait a minute, what he's saying isn't adding up here. So here is the Globe and Mail. Mark

00:16:18.760 Carney has a different idea of budget discipline, talks about the Wall Street Journal, and the fact that

00:16:24.160 he said he would balance budget, and he writes, but that's not what Mr. Carney meant. He was talking

00:16:29.700 about splitting the budget into two and balancing one part. That's not the same as eliminating the

00:16:35.040 deficit, but it does tell us a lot about Mr. Carney and his approach to the country's finances. So it

00:16:40.180 says, for the record, the Wall Street Journal didn't misquote him. Mr. Carney did indeed tell a crowd

00:16:44.260 at a leadership campaign in Kelowna last week that my government will balance the budget within three

00:16:48.780 years. The reason, though, it's misleading, because this idea that he's going to say we have

00:16:54.600 an operating budget, which is the spending on all of the things that we have to spend on,

00:17:00.760 like the salaries of bureaucrats, the direct transfers to Canadians, the direct transfers

00:17:04.340 to the province, but then we'll create a separate budget for all of our investments that we want to

00:17:08.900 make, including, you know, he's already pledged that he's going to increase Canada's military to get

00:17:13.940 to the 2% NATO target. He wants to build infrastructure. He wants to put money back

00:17:19.620 into the Canadian economy. So this is just a total sleight of hand. What do you think?

00:17:24.840 Oh, it's a huge sleight of hand. And it's one of the older tricks in the book of politicians who

00:17:29.920 like to play fast and loose with numbers. So here in Alberta, there was one instance where we had

00:17:35.600 a provincial government that tried to split the budget. Some of my colleagues at the Canadian

00:17:40.580 Taxpayers Federation said that they had to create spreadsheets with like 30 rows in them with a few 0.99

00:17:46.340 different columns to enter all of the spending data points, just to figure out how big their stupid 0.99

00:17:51.840 deficit was. And at the municipal level, I run into this all the time. So for example, in Calgary, 0.99

00:17:58.520 they changed the way their accounting works around 2012, which was really shifty. They try to separate

00:18:05.020 their operating versus their capital budget. Similar things happen up in Edmonton. I imagine

00:18:10.500 this is happening now in most major cities in Canada. The bottom line is there's only one

00:18:15.880 taxpayer. And if politicians are spending taxpayers money that they don't have, and they're borrowing

00:18:22.120 it, they're going into debt plus interest. And you nailed it there when it comes to our current

00:18:28.980 national debt. The Trudeau government has doubled the national debt. We are now at $1.2 trillion in

00:18:38.240 federal debt, not counting all the provincial government's debts, okay? This is just Ottawa's

00:18:43.200 debt. So we have un-money right now. We are spending more money on interest on our debt than we are on

00:18:50.960 health transfers to the provinces, meaning more than we spend on healthcare. It's a disgusting amount of

00:18:57.260 money. And for Carney to think that he can say, oh, it's investment, exactly to your point, Candace, when a

00:19:03.540 politician's lips are moving and they say, we're going to invest, they're taking your money. They're

00:19:08.500 spending taxpayers money and they're printing more of it often too, which helps cause inflation to be

00:19:14.180 worse. So this is a really good catch. I'm glad that he tried to say that to the room of folks,

00:19:20.900 normal folks in Kelowna. Notice how he didn't try to explain what he meant when he just said that to the

00:19:25.780 folks in Kelowna. But when he was suddenly in front of a journalist, he had to try to explain himself.

00:19:30.660 This is why I'm encouraging every journalist, don't care which outlet it is, chase this guy down,

00:19:36.340 get him on the record, because the more you peel back this onion, the more it stinks.

00:19:40.980 Well, and that's not the only lie that we caught him in because at that same press conference or that

00:19:46.420 same, sorry, that same rally in Kelowna, this clip came out and kind of went viral because it had a lot

00:19:51.460 of Canadians concerned. Mark Carney boasting and bragging about how he was going to use the emergency

00:19:57.540 powers. Now, anytime you hear that, you know, anyone who was involved in the trucker convoy or even just

00:20:03.220 watching those events unfold in 2022 knows that the emergencies act, the emergencies power was used

00:20:09.380 illegally against protesters, lawful protesters. And basically, it's the modern day equivalent of

00:20:15.060 martial law, the idea that you unleash the military against peaceful protesters. So I'm going to play this

00:20:22.740 clip. This was again, that same campaign stop in Kelowna, British Columbia, Mark Carney telling the

00:20:26.660 crowd that he will use all of the powers of the federal government, including the emergency powers

00:20:31.940 to accelerate major projects. Let's play that clip.

00:20:34.820 And something that my government is going to do is to use all of the powers of the federal government,

00:20:40.740 including the emergency powers of the federal government to accelerate the major projects that we need

00:20:46.980 in order to build this economy and take on the Americans.

00:20:51.700 So in the context of the looming trade war, President Trump's threats about a tariff,

00:20:57.940 we kind of start to hear the same song from all the politicians that, okay, now's the time to roll

00:21:02.820 up our sleeves and start building out the economy, doing things that probably Chris should have been

00:21:06.740 done decades ago, including major pipelines, right? So he is saying, you know, we're gonna,

00:21:11.860 we're gonna use the Emergencies Act, if possible, he literally says we'll use all of the powers of

00:21:17.380 the federal government. So again, that's the folks in British Columbia last Wednesday. But then last

00:21:22.500 night, Mark Carney was on French CBC, Radio Canada. And he was asked specifically about whether he would

00:21:30.820 push pipelines, because you would think one of the things that would be needed to meet the threat from

00:21:36.660 tariffs from the Americans is we need to be able to get our pipelines and our oil to markets,

00:21:41.220 including on the East Coast, including the Energy East pipeline. That's one of the major things that

00:21:46.020 we need that has been stalled and blocked by the Liberal government. And he was specifically asked

00:21:50.980 about this. Now, I have the clip, it's in French. So I think probably better to just read what he says.

00:21:56.500 And then Sean, you can show the clip to the viewers, but I'll read what is said here. So the interviewer

00:22:02.340 last night, this is in French.

00:22:03.460 Je vais utiliser mon gouvernement.

00:22:05.500 Yes. Oh, you could just mute the sound there, Sean. So this is what it looked like. And the interviewer says,

00:22:09.620 but you would never impose a pipeline on Quebec or any other province. And Mark Carney says,

00:22:14.260 I would never impose. Roy says, never. Carney says, never. And then Roy asks, emergency legislation.

00:22:20.740 Carney goes on. He says, but I will use my government. If I were prime minister,

00:22:24.260 my government would use our emergency powers to accelerate projects that are in the national

00:22:28.340 interest. Roy goes, okay. Carney continues. He says, but it has to be decided with the provinces,

00:22:34.020 with the nations. Roy asks, okay. So if a province says, no, you're not putting any pipelines through,

00:22:39.620 Carney says, absolutely. Roy asks, you don't impose it? Carney says, never in Quebec.

00:22:45.700 So to the Quebec audience, he's saying, never a pipeline. No, I won't use it. I won't do the

00:22:50.580 emergency powers. But then speaking to the rest of the country in English, he's happy to say,

00:22:55.540 we'll use everything we can, every piece of power. To me, this is just so typical of Canadian politicians

00:23:02.660 speaking different messages in different languages. It just drives me crazy. What do you think?

00:23:07.380 It happens way too often. This is one of the more stark examples that I can remember seeing in a long

00:23:12.420 time. And it's pretty clear, like most Canadians who've at least taken some French in school know

00:23:17.940 jamais means never. Like you can see just the headline there, what he's saying, which is pretty

00:23:23.540 unsettling. And back to your point of what he said to the Kelowna, the Kelowna crowd, him saying emergency

00:23:29.860 powers, does that mean the emergencies act? And to your point exactly, that is the current incarnation of the

00:23:34.260 war measures act. And that was something the federal court said, the Trudeau government was

00:23:39.540 wrong to impose on Canadians. And it's keep in mind, it's not just, of course, the protesters who might

00:23:45.940 be on the ground for whatever reason that they're there for. In that case, it was the trucker convoy.

00:23:50.500 But it suspends essentially, the free expression of all Canadians at that time. You're under martial

00:23:57.540 law, as you described it. That's a pretty harrowing thing. When you start thinking about it of Oh, if I

00:24:04.340 speak up, and I try to hold my government to account, which is a huge role for the Canadian

00:24:09.300 Taxpayers Federation, will I get my bank account frozen? Talk about a chill on free expression,

00:24:16.180 that is not okay. And so to hear that kind of thrown out there in the context of a pipeline, which

00:24:21.620 you're right, we should have had this built 10 years ago, it's absurd. We do not have a national

00:24:26.660 east-west coast to coast pipeline for our own energy in Canada. It's rather embarrassing when

00:24:31.700 you start thinking about it. And then to have him turn around and say, en français, oh jamais,

00:24:36.500 I would never do that. Again, he has to be held to account for this. I would say the same thing,

00:24:42.340 if this were a conservative politician pulling this, or an NDP politician pulling this. And it's

00:24:47.460 really important for taxpayers to understand that we are losing out on 10s of billions of dollars,

00:24:55.220 just in federal tax revenue, by not having proper pipelines in Canada, and the ability to get our

00:25:03.460 energy out to market. We're not even calculating the municipal property taxes that are actually

00:25:09.380 generated from these pipeline corridors. It is an astonishing amount of money that we are throwing

00:25:14.820 away down the drain. And it's also according to my more financial friends, scaring away a ton of

00:25:20.500 investment by not having a really smart energy policy in Canada. And I would encourage anybody

00:25:26.900 to read Mark Carney's book. It's called Values. It literally on the front cover has the planet Earth

00:25:33.220 with a bunch of scaffolding around it, as if it's being reshaped or rebuilt. And he gets right into how

00:25:39.460 he feels about pipelines and natural resources. He says in his book that apparently we need to keep

00:25:47.140 80% of our oil and gas in the ground. And that he wants to electrify everything. What does he mean by

00:25:54.580 everything? It sounds like everything. With what kind of power? Solar and wind, according to his book.

00:26:00.740 So there are some hard questions that have to be asked of this guy.

00:26:05.380 Unbelievable. I think that I did a deep dive on that book with Cosmin Georgia, a journalist at True

00:26:10.420 North, who has been going through, I mean, so many things that you mentioned, the digital currency,

00:26:15.140 the idea that it was Mark Carney who was encouraging the government to freeze bank accounts. He wrote it in

00:26:19.860 the Globe and Mail in an op-ed saying, this is sedition. This is a dangerous, scary person. In that

00:26:25.700 interview with Rosemary Barton, he's sort of trying to walk back the idea of the carbon tax saying, no,

00:26:30.820 we'll just impose it on the big polluters instead. Rosemary Barton rightly says, well,

00:26:35.060 aren't they just going to pass it on to the consumers? Like if you're a big company and all

00:26:38.420 of a sudden you're getting levied with huge fines from the government, you know, you don't just get

00:26:42.660 that money out of thin air. You have to charge your customers more. That's like basic economics. And

00:26:46.900 again, Carney just doesn't really have a good answer for it. I think that to your point, you know,

00:26:52.340 the role of journalists is to ask questions. I'm glad that the CBC in French were asking those

00:26:56.820 questions. I wish that they had pulled up the clip of him from Kelowna saying, but you just said that

00:27:01.860 you would use all the powers of the federal government, including emergency powers to get,

00:27:07.460 you know, to build infrastructure, to combat these tariffs. And yet I don't, I don't understand how

00:27:13.300 Quebec can have a veto, Chris. It's frustrating because right now the only way that Eastern Canada

00:27:18.180 gets its oil, central Canada gets its oil is through a pipeline in the United States. So if you're

00:27:22.100 having a trade war with the Americans, it really begs the question, like, will that oil even be

00:27:26.820 able to get through? And then what would happen to central Canada? Right now, Canada already imports 0.59

00:27:31.140 oil from Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. I can only imagine what we'd have to do if all of a sudden

00:27:37.540 the oil couldn't get across from Alberta because of these pipelines. It's really-

00:27:42.340 Imagine that the natural gas pipeline that supplies heat to your own house runs through your

00:27:49.700 neighbor's property, like not underground. So there's some weird trick or anything, but like

00:27:53.940 above ground, let's for argument's sake, it just runs across there. How fun would that be as your

00:27:59.380 neighbor changes moods or changes tactics? Like this is crazy to your point on the Kelowna interview and

00:28:05.140 shout out to Castanet, which is a scrappy little media organization that covers a lot of good news in

00:28:10.500 the Okanagan region. That was their footage that, that we've gotten these clips from. They do great work.

00:28:16.820 And the other element there, if I can, Candace, where he brings it back down to the carbon tax again,

00:28:22.660 he says that he won't ax the tax and everybody laughed in the room and he kind of snickered.

00:28:28.900 So he sees the idea of completely canceling the carbon tax as some joke. Then he says,

00:28:33.940 I would change the carbon tax. That's a huge difference. You were getting to the point of

00:28:39.860 how even the CBC is saying, um, won't that cost just trickle down to the normal person?

00:28:44.660 Short answer. Yes, of course it will. We just got a poll back, Candace. Only 12% of Canadians believe

00:28:52.980 Mark Carney when he says, oh no, normal people won't feel the cost of the carbon tax. Magically,

00:28:59.060 these big businesses will just eat the cost. Only 12% of Canadians believe that line. So that was very

00:29:06.260 encouraging that people know that if you dump a huge carbon tax on a refinery, so your gasoline and

00:29:13.140 diesel will go up in cost because of the carbon tax. They understand that. They understand that

00:29:18.740 if Carney nails a utility company, like your home heating with a carbon tax, your heating bill will

00:29:24.660 go up higher. And so it's really encouraging to know that Canadians are seeing through this.

00:29:28.900 Absolutely, Chris. Okay. I want to shift gears a little bit to talk about the Ontario election.

00:29:33.860 Yes, there's an election going on in Ontario. There was a leaders debate last night and I don't

00:29:39.220 even want to play the clip because it's just so bad. Like the, the, the, the candidates running in

00:29:44.340 this election are not very good. I think Doug Ford will walk away with a big majority, but basically

00:29:50.100 the idea when you watch one of these leadership debates is that everything is a crisis. Everything

00:29:54.980 requires more government, no matter what, whether it's healthcare, whether it's housing, whether it's

00:29:59.540 crime, whether it's, it's traffic problems, every single politician, including the conservative Doug

00:30:04.740 Ford, his solution is always more government, which is, is just kind of sad. Uh, I want to talk a little

00:30:10.260 bit about a moment that caused a lot of stir online. And I think among Canadians, because the, when the

00:30:16.260 night that the campaign launched, this is back in late January, Doug Ford was on camera speaking in

00:30:21.780 London, Ontario to a police chief gala. And he said that he believes in the death penalty, that he

00:30:28.340 thinks that someone who breaks into someone's home and kills somebody, kills an innocent person, he

00:30:33.860 wrote, he said, should be sent right to Sparky, uh, an allusion to the electric chair. Uh, we have that

00:30:40.420 clip. I want to play it now. You know, someone breaks in your house, uses a gun, 10 years automatic.

00:30:47.460 They discharge that gun to get 15 years automatic. God forbid they shoot someone and they survive

00:30:57.940 20 years automatic. And God forbid they kill an innocent person. I don't even go 25 years,

00:31:06.340 I send them right to Sparky and we'll take care of everything from there.

00:31:09.700 Oh, you can see, uh, well, it's actually interesting, Chris, because you could see

00:31:14.900 in that clip, uh, for the listening audience, he's speaking at a lectern and he actually has,

00:31:20.100 um, you, you could see his teleprompters up. So he's giving a speech, presumably reading off a

00:31:25.780 teleprompter. Uh, it might've been ad-libbing that one part where he says, we forget about 25 years,

00:31:30.420 you should send them straight to Sparky. Well, his campaign has clarified and they're now walking that

00:31:36.020 back. Even though I think that a lot of people online were excited about that. Uh, he now walks

00:31:41.940 back this thing, just saying it was a joke and it was in poor taste, but this is a real problem,

00:31:47.620 Chris. I raised this in my interview that I did last week with Pierre Polyev, this idea that there

00:31:52.580 are home invasions across the GTA happening almost every single night. It's terrifying for families,

00:31:58.420 for mothers. There's a clip that was circulating just the other day of a home invasion in Mississauga.

00:32:03.460 This is a video of three men breaking into a house and a mom with a baseball bat chasing these

00:32:09.300 men out of the house. Apparently she had her children sleeping upstairs. I want to play this

00:32:13.780 clip for you. This is happening every single day. The family sent me this video so Canadians can be

00:32:19.940 aware of what's happening. So the father comes, you can see they start throwing a whole bunch of

00:32:24.580 objects at him. Look at this. Now the mother has come look at this with a bat to scare these thugs away. 1.00

00:32:30.900 This mother is a true hero. Look at this. No fear. You can see she's screaming at them,

00:32:35.140 getting them out of here. This is crazy what's happening. The fact that we have to put our

00:32:39.860 families, our mothers, our children in this situation. It's unbelievable. I don't know if

00:32:46.020 that's happening out in Alberta, but I hear about this all the time in, in Toronto and in the GTA,

00:32:51.300 Mississauga is just a suburb here. It happens all the time. It's such a large part of it is this

00:32:56.740 revolving door prison system that Doug Ford was alluding to there that we need hard minimums on 0.73

00:33:02.100 crime. I saw this story. I want to tie it in as well. The via rail terrorist. So I don't know if

00:33:08.420 you remember, but back in, I think it was 2015, these two individuals, one a Palestinian and the

00:33:14.180 other one from Tunisia were planning a terrorist attack to derail a train heading from Toronto to New

00:33:20.020 York City. They had a plan in the works. They had gone and taken steps. They were found guilty by a

00:33:26.340 Canadian court. This one individual from Tunisia is supposed to be deported, but we learned on Friday

00:33:33.700 that the judge is delaying the deportation issue due to mental health concerns. So the judge wrote,

00:33:40.820 I find a real risk of serious mental harm on the basis of evidence from this individual's treating

00:33:46.420 psychologist, wrote the judge. The court heard from the psychologist saying that basically because

00:33:53.220 of his prognosis of medical fragility, that he shouldn't be sent back to his home country. He

00:34:00.740 shouldn't be deported. Instead, he should stay in a Canadian prison. To me, this makes such a mockery

00:34:06.580 of our systems. Like someone can come from another country, plan to mass murder Canadians, take steps to 0.96

00:34:12.340 mass murder Canadians. This guy was here on a student visa. He is a PhD student. So he's not,

00:34:17.940 he's not some dummy, right? He's an intelligent person. And basically decided to try to plan a

00:34:24.100 terrorist attack against Canadians. Fortunately, because of the work of Canadian police, he was

00:34:28.740 stopped, the attack was thwarted. But still, we won't even send him home because we're worried

00:34:32.420 about his mental fragility. It's just unbelievable to me, Chris. What do you make of all this?

00:34:36.980 Well, I will say at the Taxpayers Federation, we often ask people what they think the role of

00:34:42.100 government should be or what they think their money should be spent on. And generally speaking,

00:34:46.900 quite often, safety, public safety, in the sense of police catching bad guys, keeping criminals away

00:34:53.780 from your house, stopping horrific footage like you just saw there with the mother running with a

00:34:58.100 baseball bat, those usually rank pretty high when it comes to what things government should be spending

00:35:04.180 good money on. But the issue is getting good results. So if it were something a bit more

00:35:09.620 simple, like some silly foreign trip, we would ask the question, are you getting good return on your

00:35:14.740 money? Is this good value for taxpayers dollars? And logically, the answer in many cases when it comes

00:35:22.100 to the criminal justice system now is no. Because if you listen to police who often tell us, for example,

00:35:29.460 that they are constantly dealing with illegal guns coming across the United States border when it

00:35:34.020 comes to gangbangers and criminals and not coming from law-abiding firearms owners, which the Trudeau

00:35:39.780 government is attacking, we hear that from cops all the time. And taking off my CTF hat, one of my

00:35:45.940 main roles as a journalist was being a court reporter. So I would sit there day after day covering the

00:35:52.900 criminal justice system. I've worked very closely with some folks in law enforcement. So yeah, it's very

00:35:58.500 clear that there is a revolving door system. There's what they often refer to as catch and release.

00:36:04.820 Catch and release. My numbers are a little off. But generally speaking, I think it's about 60 criminals

00:36:11.540 in the Vancouver area committing about 1000 crimes or probably more. Basically saying a very tiny pool of

00:36:19.540 people are committing most of these crimes, including some violent crimes, all of them, all of them. It's

00:36:26.660 a tiny fraction of the population that are constantly doing this. And a lot of people have heard of a

00:36:32.100 general answer coming from police saying, I can catch somebody doing something awful in the morning,

00:36:37.860 and he's back out on the street in the afternoon before that cop shift is over. So if you keep on doing

00:36:43.860 it, keep in mind, I want people to imagine apart from obviously the danger to yourself. But if you

00:36:49.780 remove yourself and just look at this from a monetary issue, picture a cash register. Every time these

00:36:55.620 people are brought into the system and let out ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, it is costing a ton of 0.99

00:37:00.180 money every single time they're doing this. And I got to ask them, are you getting a good return on your

00:37:05.380 investment here? I think most of the time, people will say no, because a lot of people feel that crime is

00:37:10.980 going up and they're feeling less safe, even in smaller cities and towns now. Well, there's data

00:37:16.500 to back this up. So True North reporting that Canada experienced faster rise in property and violent

00:37:22.900 crime in the United States is based on a Fraser Institute study comparing violent crime rates in

00:37:28.100 Canadian cities versus American cities over the last 20 years. So the report found that since 2014,

00:37:34.980 Canadian cities have seen a 40% increase in violent crime, whereas in the same period,

00:37:40.100 the United States just saw a 7% increase. So to be fair, the violent crime rate in Canada went from

00:37:45.220 148 per 100,000 to 258 per 100,000, while in the United States, it went from 313 to 335. So Canadian 0.92

00:37:54.180 cities on balance are still safer, but that rise in crime is happening. And it looks like sooner or

00:37:59.300 later, we will catch up to the Americans, given what's happening in our cities. Okay, I want to change

00:38:05.300 gears a little bit here, Chris, and talk about the absolute waste that we see in the Canadian 0.99

00:38:11.380 government. Sometimes it's like the little things that you hear about a $20 billion green slush fund

00:38:18.340 or whatever, and it's hard to really make sense of what that even means. But then you see something

00:38:22.660 small, like $5,000 going to subsidize a big corporation or something like that. And that's

00:38:28.340 the one that really, really drives you crazy. There's this video on X. So the international

00:38:34.500 trade minister, Mary Ng, posted this clip of herself alongside 220 Canadian bureaucrats on a diplomatic

00:38:42.740 trade mission to Australia. Look at that beautiful image. Those are all Canadian bureaucrats outside the

00:38:49.220 beautiful Sydney Opera House in beautiful Sydney, Australia in February. Wouldn't you rather be in

00:38:54.980 the middle of Australian summer as opposed to the treacherous winter conditions that we just showed

00:39:00.180 in Toronto? So somehow this is good value for our money, trying to send a trade delegation to Australia

00:39:08.660 in the middle of their summer. I don't understand why this stuff happens. It's an absurd waste of money.

00:39:13.620 What do you think, Chris? Oh, it's a disgusting waste of money and you nailed it. And I'm so glad that

00:39:17.700 Canadians see through this. I mean, they see video footage like that. They should think,

00:39:22.100 I paid for every single one of their tickets. I'm paying for all of their hotels. I'm paying for

00:39:27.460 whatever that is, a drone camera to do the little swoosh around thing. Yay. We've got a bunch of

00:39:32.500 Canadian office workers, bureaucrats in Australia. Why? So the question always gets down to return on

00:39:38.660 investment. And you can't convince me that we need to send more than 200 bureaucrats to Australia

00:39:45.460 to get a good return on investment for, say, a trade deal. That needs to be a tight,

00:39:50.260 tight team of smart negotiators that do that stuff well and under budget. That's how that stuff gets

00:39:56.260 worked out. Not this. These are junkets. And this is a pattern. This is a pattern. Canada routinely

00:40:04.020 sends the biggest delegation to all of these COP whatever, I don't remember what it stands for,

00:40:09.860 those climate meetings I have every single year in some beautiful exotic place. They always send

00:40:15.220 the most delegation. We thought that this was all about emissions, right? But no, we always wind up

00:40:22.020 spending and sending the most jet plane tickets to send people over there. In Paris, it was crazy. I

00:40:29.540 think we had more than the host country. And then once we're there, we spend money on stupid things. 1.00

00:40:35.860 Like, I think it was during one of the COP meetings where it was then finance minister, 0.98

00:40:39.940 Chrystia Freeland, who stayed in the wrong city. And instead of taking the commuter train,

00:40:46.580 she took a limousine or a chauffeur service back and forth, city to city every single time,

00:40:51.700 all the taxpayers expense. So this looks like just another one of those big junkets. We're definitely

00:40:56.980 going to be filing a lot of FOIs on those things and finding out how much taxpayers money was spent.

00:41:02.580 And we just finished getting back FOIs, Candice, if you don't mind me mentioning,

00:41:06.420 Global Affairs, which we would, us veterans would call it Foreign Affairs Canada. It's called Global

00:41:11.700 Affairs now. They spent $10,000 on Lego, like building block Lego. They spent 10 grand on that.

00:41:21.620 It's part of their $500,000 blowout on art that they blow. It looks like a few years now for the last

00:41:29.700 three years. And it's all part of the March madness. And I've seen the emails come through

00:41:34.260 before when I worked in government. This email comes through around this time, January, February.

00:41:39.380 Hey, we have this amount of money left in our budget. Instead of saving it, which is taxpayers'

00:41:44.420 money or handing it back to the treasury to save it, they blow it every single year because it's use

00:41:50.180 it or lose it. That's when you get these stupid stories of 10,000 bucks on Lego or $8,000 on chair 0.98

00:41:55.940 cushions. Absolute insanity. Well, my five-year-old son would absolutely love to have $10,000 worth of 1.00

00:42:02.660 Lego. That sounds like a dream to him. You could build the entire Death Star and the entire Millennium

00:42:08.180 Falcon for that, I think. Absolutely. So it reminds me, I had a friend who worked for the,

00:42:13.940 he was a Pentagon spokesman, this American friend, a Pentagon spokesman who worked down in Guantanamo Bay

00:42:18.500 during the time when that was open. And he used to tell stories about how

00:42:23.300 there was so much Canadian interest in this one inmate, Omar Cotter. But the interest always

00:42:29.700 seemed to happen in like January and February, right? So when it's cold in Canada, these journalists

00:42:35.860 come up with ideas that they want to go down and visit with Omar Cotter and tour Guantanamo. And you

00:42:40.980 get all these requests from Canadian journalists in January, February. And then like the whole rest of

00:42:45.220 the year, there'd be no interest because, you know, it's Cuba. It was Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. So every

00:42:50.100 Canadian wants to get out of the Canadian winter and go down to Cuba for work. But really, you know,

00:42:56.660 these junkets are always designed like that. Because, you know, it's just an excuse for many

00:43:02.020 of these Canadians to take a vacation. So great work by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation to expose

00:43:07.380 this kind of thing. I mentioned that we would get to this Steve Bannon interview with our colleague,

00:43:12.260 Brian Lilly. I'll just go through it quickly, because we're running short on time here. I'll

00:43:16.180 specifically show this clip, though, because Lilly asked Mr. Bannon about Mark Carney and his carbon

00:43:23.140 plan. So one of the things that Mark Carney has talked about is having an additional tariff on

00:43:28.660 carbon from countries that don't have carbon taxes. So if you don't have the same green environmentalist

00:43:34.260 buy-in that the Canadians believe you should have, he wants to impose an additional layer of tariffs on

00:43:40.020 trade. I think Steve Bannon had a very appropriate reaction here, which is basically that that would

00:43:46.100 completely change our relationship with the United States, and they would see it as a hostile act.

00:43:51.540 Let's play that clip.

00:43:53.300 What would the reaction be in Washington to Canada saying if your climate plan is not good enough,

00:43:59.140 and the American one would not be good enough for Mark Carney, what would the reaction be to Canada

00:44:03.940 putting a carbon tariff on every import that we have from you? I think it would be a complete rethinking

00:44:11.540 here in the country about what our relationship is with Canada. I think that if you did that,

00:44:16.340 you would essentially say that we're a hostile power. I think it would be reviewed by the American

00:44:22.180 people as that. I think it would be reviewed by people in Washington as that. And I think it would be

00:44:26.100 reviewed by President Trump as that. So this idea that Mark Carney is best suited to deal with Trump,

00:44:32.420 but Trump finds his policies absolutely repulsive. So for people who don't know, Steve Bannon was a

00:44:38.500 chief strategist for Trump. He runs a popular podcast called The War Room. He went to prison.

00:44:42.820 He was part of the lawfare campaign against the Trump administration and served time in prison

00:44:48.980 during that unbelievable chapter in American politics. But I think that what he's saying here

00:44:54.100 should be taken quite seriously. This kind of action is going to lead Canada down a very dangerous

00:45:00.820 path. What do you think? Oh, big time. And this is another reason my folks definitely need to read

00:45:05.700 Carney's book if they can. A carbon tax tariff, just to put it really simply, would do exactly what Brian

00:45:11.780 just explained. We would look at another country, the United States. Our Prime Minister, if it is Mark

00:45:17.380 Carney, would get upset that they don't have a carbon tax because he sees this as a moral principle.

00:45:23.940 Okay. This is not just some economic thing for him. It's all through his book that he sees this as a

00:45:29.540 moral principle. So if a country doesn't have one, a carbon tax, he gets upset by that. When we import

00:45:36.900 stuff from that country, again, imagine it's the United States, he would hit that object with a carbon

00:45:42.900 tax tariff, not only bungling up their trade, but making it more expensive for Canadians, again,

00:45:50.100 to buy those items. So not only is he going to hide the carbon tax and try to shield it from your bill,

00:45:57.060 but you're still paying it, he's going to create an entire new layer of one in the form of a carbon tax

00:46:03.060 tariff. So that was excellent that Brian got a chance to sit down with Bannon. And just for a moment,

00:46:08.020 in case there's any folks in the mainstream media watching this that are turning their nose up at Steve

00:46:12.100 Bannon, don't shoot the messenger. Be smart about this. Steve Bannon has worked closely with US

00:46:18.900 President Donald Trump, the guy that wants to tariff our country. Get smart about it. Take

00:46:24.420 the information from what he's saying very seriously here. I think that's such a good point. And again,

00:46:30.900 yeah, when when Steve Bannon was on Global News last week, it really, you know, Canadians really

00:46:36.900 overreacted to it. I think that was that the comment that Justin Trudeau made on at his economic summit,

00:46:42.900 where he said that Trump is serious about us becoming a 51st state, and he wants our minerals. I think it

00:46:48.100 came directly from something that Bannon said. So I think it's a very good idea to listen to this kind

00:46:53.220 of thing. And rather than just assume that Mark Carney is the best person to negotiate with Trump,

00:46:58.980 I don't really think that it's pointing that way. I think that they have such a mismatch in terms of

00:47:02.420 their values, their ideology, and their approach to governing, that it would be another Trudeau situation

00:47:08.820 where Trump just doesn't have any respect, he doesn't like the ideology, he's tired of it. And I think it

00:47:15.140 could create more of a threat to Canada. If I may quickly again, taking off my CTF

00:47:21.380 hat and being a longtime journalist, especially as a show host, you really need to actively listen

00:47:26.900 to people and where they are sometimes. And when it comes to trying to negotiate with someone like

00:47:32.100 US President Trump or Vice President Vance, keep in mind their backgrounds. When they're saying stuff

00:47:38.180 like stop all the fentanyl coming into our country, yes, it goes bad ways, I know. But when they say

00:47:43.940 something like that, think of their backgrounds. What is US President Trump's history with substance

00:47:49.140 abuse? His brother died from it. JD Vance was raised by a mother who was a severe drug addict,

00:47:56.900 who thank God is clean now. These things shape these people's thinking. So you at least need to keep that

00:48:04.020 on your dashboard when you're trying to negotiate with these people and shield Canadians from a huge 0.54

00:48:09.780 punishing tariff, which is just a trade tax. Our hope is that cooler heads prevail and people like

00:48:16.820 Premier Daniel Smith, doing her work down there, are able to find a diplomatic solution to this and

00:48:21.860 were able to avoid these tariffs. I hope you're right. I really urge people to take your advice and

00:48:28.020 to listen and think about where these people are coming from. Another clip we didn't get to in the show,

00:48:33.140 but Mark Carney also said that he didn't think that the fentanyl crisis was actually a crisis,

00:48:37.700 speaking to that group in Kelowna. So again, just missing the mark and not really on the same page

00:48:42.260 here. Chris, thank you so much for your time. It's always a pleasure to have you on the show. We

00:48:46.260 really appreciate your time. It's Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Thank you.

00:48:51.620 All right, folks, that will wrap it up here for today. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm

00:48:56.020 Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you and God bless.

00:49:03.140 Thank you.

The Candice Malcolm Show - February 18, 2025

Mark Carney CAUGHT lying

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