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Summary
Candice Malan talks with Chris Sims, the Alberta Director for the Canadian Taxpayers Federation and former host of CFRA 580 Radio, about what it's like being an independent journalist in Canada. She also talks about the Delta Airlines plane crash at Toronto Pearson Airport, and talks about why independent journalism is so important.
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Hi, I'm Candice Malcolm and this is The Candice Malcolm Show. Thank you so much for joining us.
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Hope everyone had a wonderful long weekend. I said on the show yesterday that it was family
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day in Ontario and Alberta. One of the viewers let me know that they also celebrate it in British
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Columbia, which I am embarrassed to say I didn't know. I'm from British Columbia, but it was
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definitely not a thing when I was growing up. So hope everyone had a wonderful long weekend. We've
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got a lot of news to get to today. I want to really get in to Mark Carney because the more that we see
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from Mr. Carney, the more that we get to know him as a personality, as a leader, the more things start
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to fall apart, the more his claims don't add up. We're starting to see many contradictions, the two
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sides of Mark Carney. We have bait and switches and sleight of hands to try to confuse you, to try to
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sort of speak over your head to make you think that he's going to do good things for the country,
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that he's going to balance the budget, that he's going to get pipeline built. But then at the same
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time, he's basically saying the exact opposite. So we are going to go through it all and show you
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the real side of Mark Carney. My guest on the show today is Chris Sims, the Alberta Director for the
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Canadian Taxpayers Federation. She is a longtime journalist, former host of CFRA 580 Radio. And back in the day,
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we work together at the Sun News Network. Chris, thank you so much for joining the show.
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You were the one that pointed out to me that we launched Juno News on the 10-year anniversary of
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the end of Sun News. You were there from the very beginning of Sun, right till the very end. I know
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it was very sort of bittersweet when that ended. But I think, you know, given what is happening in the
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Canadian media landscape, like there's so many independent voices, there's so many thriving
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journalists who are seeking to tell the other side of the story, even though it was, you know,
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we've been through some hard times as conservatives, independent conservative journalists, or just
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independent journalists. I think that the situation today is much better. What do you think?
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It is. It was really hard that day. And I did think that you had picked the day on purpose,
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because it was the 10th anniversary. So that was quite serendipitous. But out of Sun News Network's
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Ashes, as you so rightly put it on X, we saw True North start, we saw Rebel News start, we saw so many of
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our contributors go to start up the Western Standard. And then we saw folks like, you know, Paige McPherson go
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over to the Canadian Taxpayers Federation, she's now with Fraser. And our former colleague Brian Lilly is still with
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Sun, because he's technically with the paper. But of course, Brian does excellent video interviews as well. Just landed one with
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Steve Bannon when he was down in DC. So in many ways, Sun News Network lives on. We're just a gestalt now.
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Yeah, we're gonna get to that Brian Lilly interview with Steve Bannon later on the show, because I really think
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it raises some interesting points that the rest of the media leave out. And that's the point of independent
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media and even, you know, voices in the in the establishment like Brian Lilly is with the Toronto Sun, but he's still
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willing to go places that most journalists aren't. Chris, I want to start the show by talking about this
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unbelievable footage that came out of Toronto Pearson Airport yesterday. So this is sort of like the worst
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nightmare for us who travel and get on planes with some frequency, a Delta Airlines plane crash landed
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at Toronto Pearson amid fiercely cold and very wild winter weather. So Sean, if we can put up images of
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what that looks like as B roll here, but the Delta Airlines flight, you can just see this new clip that came
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out. You can see it going down and basically hitting ice, sliding and turning into a ball of flames.
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Some say the bubbles in an arrow truffle piece can take 34 seconds to melt in your mouth.
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Sometimes the very amount you're stuck at the same red light. Rich, creamy, chocolatey arrow truffle.
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Feel the arrow bubbles melt. It's mind bubbling.
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Just absolutely terrifying footage there because you could see the plane was going down as normal
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about to land when I don't know exactly what happened. It just seemed like it hit the ground,
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turned into a flame, a ball of flames. It's unbelievable that nobody was nobody was killed.
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We have reports of at least eight people were seriously injured, including one person in critical
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condition. A child as well was sustained injuries. Let's go on to show the next video because basically
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the plane then landed upside down and you can see people climbing out of the plane here while they're
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working to put out the fire. And you can just see the absolutely treacherous runway and the snow on
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the ground there. Frigid, cold, cold, icy temperatures in Toronto. But, you know, it's unbelievable
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because, you know, I was talking to a friend who's not from Toronto and she said, you know,
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is this normal? Like, isn't the runway like this every year around this time? And I said,
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yeah, I've never seen anything like this in my entire life. I've never seen a plane land on ice
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and flip like that. I mean, given how much fuel and gasoline are in these planes, it is remarkable
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it didn't just burst into a bigger ball of flame and that people, not only that anybody survived that,
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but that everybody survived it is an absolute miracle. Chris, what do you think?
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It is a miracle. The footage from inside the plane where the person's walking on the ceiling that I'm
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sure most people have seen. Yeah, I think we have that as well. So you can see the plane is upside
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down. They're walking and coming out. They're being told to put their phones away. Sorry to interrupt
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you, Chris. No, it's just so remarkable. And look there, see above it, that charred black thing
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that clearly looks like the wing part that ripped off when the thing flipped over. It's astonishing.
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I just, my heart went into my throat when I saw what was happening on X and it was breaking.
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It's a miracle people survived this. I pray for the people who are in critical condition.
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And I think it starts bringing up stories of people who have been in situations that have been scary on
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a flight. There was a flight that was landing once. It was my whole family. We were landing in Calgary.
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I'll never forget it. The stewardess screamed. People were sobbing and throwing up. The pilot
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bailed on the landing at the last second and cranked the plane almost into a vertical.
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It was so frightening. And everybody thought this is it. Everybody thought this is it.
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And thank God the pilot was able to circle and land safely. But if you looked out the south window,
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Candace landing in Calgary from BC, so you're looking south, pitch black. You look up the north,
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bright sunny day. So there were some crazy weather pattern that was coming in with these freak wind
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storms that caused this. Thankfully, we all got off the plane safely. A lot of people went straight to
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the bar after they got into the airport. But it's just remarkable that these folks are going to be okay,
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we hope. And look how quickly the emergency services got there. It looks like they were on them right
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away. So it was quite something seeing that yesterday. Wow. What a scary moment. I think
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we've all kind of had tense moments up in the sky like that and really just sobering to see so many
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incidents already this year in 2025 of horrible tragedies. And I think we're just so lucky that we
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didn't have anything more serious yesterday. And it reminds you, you know, when you're when you're
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about to land, you think, okay, I'm safe. We're here. Right. And it was like, you know, sometimes
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people might take their seatbelts off or get ready to stand up a little too early. Those might have
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been the people that got injured because, you know, the plane ended up upside down. So your seatbelt
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would have been the only thing holding you in. And I know for myself, usually when I'm flying,
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I'm holding a baby, right? Because the baby doesn't have their own seat. So imagine if you're holding a
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baby, you have a child next to you, you could imagine just just how scary that was. But again,
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tremendous work from the first responders there in Toronto to ensure that there were no injuries
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that people were out safely before, you know, something worse could have happened, like the
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plane caught fire. So a pretty scary story. But again, fortunate that nothing happened. I want to
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move on to talk a little bit about Mark Carney, because there was a explosive interview that he did on
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CBC News on Sunday night with Rosemary Barton. Now, I know a lot of people in the independent
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and conservative circles accuse Rosemary Barton of not being a very good journalist and being quite
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biased, especially towards Justin Trudeau. I actually thought she did a tremendous job in
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this interview with Mark Carney to the point where he wasn't really prepared for it, because I think he
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thought it was going to be an easy softball interview. And you can kind of see the mask start to slip
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when she presses him and asks him some tough questions. I'm going to play this clip where Rosemary
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Barton, sure, she's polite, but she's firm. And she asks him to describe what makes Carney different
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than Trudeau. Now, I just want to point out a few things before we play the clip. Note how he
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responds and how he looks. You can see that he's getting a little annoyed, agitated. The differences
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that he describes are incredibly superficial. Like he didn't have a good answer for how he's different
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than Trudeau. He goes straight to the most superficial things. We were born in different places and we play
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different sports, which, you know, to the Canadian public, it's like, okay, that's not very
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substantive. And then he's so nervous in this response, Chris, that he actually spills his
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cup of water. His arms are flailing and he knocks over a glass of water and you can see that the shot
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goes to Rosemary Barton and she's looking a little surprised by how uncomfortable he is over what should
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be a super straightforward question. Okay, so let's play that clip and then I'll get your reaction to it.
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Why should Canadians believe you'll do anything differently, though, than Justin Trudeau?
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You've advised him, you've given him advice, you've been a liberal. So what is going to be markedly different?
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We're very different people, Prime Minister and I. We have different backgrounds. I was born in Northwest
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Territories. He was born in Rideau Hall. You know, I'm a hockey goalie. He's a snowboarder. I focus on the
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economy. He has had a different focus for Canada. He's, I think we have the same values and we're
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So they have the same values trying to achieve the same ends, but bang. And I'm sorry, but the fact
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that he's a hockey goalie and that Justin Trudeau is a snowboarder, is that supposed to illustrate
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anything of depth that shows us the difference between these two men? Those are pretty similar
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things. I mean, yeah, they're different sports, but they're both winter sports. And like when I think
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of Mark Carney, I don't think he's personified as a hockey goalie. That's just like a side thing that he
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happened to do. Same with Justin Trudeau and snowboarding. So I really thought that that was
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a terrible answer. What did you think, Chris? Yeah, it was interesting. So journalists, no matter
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where they're from, as you always say, we need to hold politicians to account. We need to hold the
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powerful to account. It's our job quite often to get them on record. So you ask them tough questions,
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you get them to commit to things or not out loud with their faces. The issue should be no different
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if it's on the CBC. Now, of course, taxpayers shouldn't pay for the CBC, but it's very good
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that she pushed him on this. And it's a really simple push. I mean, come on. He was clearly an
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advisor for Prime Minister Justin Trudeau. Everybody who's in the arena knows this. He should have known
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she was going to ask him a question like that. And he should have been better prepared. What I find
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frustrating, though, Candace, is we get hundreds, in some cases, thousands of letters from supporters
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who are really fighting to make ends meet. Like 50% of Canadians are broke, meaning they're within 200
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bucks every month of not being able to make the minimum payments on their bills. And here we get
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this banal chit chat difference between hockey goalies and snowboarders. Like, who cares? What
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taxpayers and what a lot of hardworking Canadians care about is, how are you going to make my life
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different? And when it comes to Carney, boy, oh boy, between his announcements that he's made on the
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carbon taxes, and his story keeps changing and shifting on that, and his book that he just wrote
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in the teeth of the lockdown, it was published in 2021. There's some really alarming things here for
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people. And so these sort of things, I find it telling. And I really appreciate your point in him
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knocking the water and stuff. So you kind of get more into his head and see how prepped he is.
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But when it comes to the substance, these journalists have got to chase this guy down
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Well, the whole pitch about Mark Carney, I believe, is that he's this calm, stable hand,
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that he has had all of this experience, that he knows what he's doing. He's an elite. He's an
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expert. I mean, for goodness sakes, he said, I'm a globalist and an elitist. And that's exactly what
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Canada needs, right? So given that his persona is supposed to be calm and cool and collected,
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I really thought that him knocking the water over like that was something, because that didn't
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really show me that he's a calm, collected guy. I want to get a little bit more into some of the
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misleading claims that we have caught him saying two things out of different sides of his mouth.
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This happens a lot in Canada, where a politician will say one thing in one part of the country,
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and then they'll say something totally different in another part of the country. So here's a first
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example of it. And I have two for us on the show today. But last Wednesday, Mark Carney was speaking
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in Kelowna, BC. And one of the things that he pledged was that he was going to cut government
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spending, and that he was going to balance the budget, Chris, within three years. Now those of
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us who pay close attention know that even the Conservatives aren't promising that. Because
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Justin Trudeau has blown out the budget so much, because he's operating a $61 billion deficit,
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racked up over a trillion dollars in debt now, $1.2 trillion in the latest glance, it's going to be
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really hard to cut the budget and get it balanced, because you're going to have to get rid of a lot.
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So to hear Mark Carney say I'm going to balance in three years, it's like, wow, he must be a real
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committed fiscal conservative. So here's a clip of him from Wednesday, February 2012, 2025, saying
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that he will balance the budget. We need a government that spends less, but gets the country to invest
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more. So my government will balance the spending budget within the first three years.
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So just to point out, notice how the crowd applauds, right? Even liberal supporters know that
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Canada is in big trouble fiscally because of Justin Trudeau. So the fact that he would balance
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the budget is big news. And so you had the Wall Street Journal. This is the headline that they ran,
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ex-central banker Mark Carney pledges to return to balanced budgets within three years, pointing out
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the last time we had a budget surplus was in 2007, 2008. And so interesting, that's a big announcement
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from Mark Carney. But then when he was on with Rosemary Barton, Chris, he changed his tune because
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he was asked a specific question, will you balance the budget? And rather than just repeating what he
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said in Kelowna, that yes, I'll balance the budget, he gets into these minute details that really tell us
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that no, actually, he's not going to balance the budget, not even remotely. He wants to invest and
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invest and invest, which is a politician speak for borrowing and spending more money. So let's play
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this clip of him with Rosemary Barton on Sunday night. Will you balance the budget and how quickly?
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A couple of things there. One of the things we're going to do later this week is go through
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our new fiscal, what I would propose as our fiscal rules. Core to that is to reduce spending of the
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government. So to balance our operational spending over the course of the next three years, where we
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are willing to borrow is to invest and grow this economy. That is an absolute crucial point.
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So there'll be a deficit. It is a fundamental difference between the approach the government
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has taken up until now. It is a fundamental difference between the approach of Pierre Polyev,
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which is a trickle down. Okay, but there will be a deficit. It'll just be,
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you'll justify it because it's investing in the economy, is that?
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Investing in the economy at a time when we absolutely have to build as a country.
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So Chris, I just want to quickly read from Campbell Clark in the Globe and Mail, because he caught this
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and said, wait a minute, what he's saying isn't adding up here. So here is the Globe and Mail. Mark
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Carney has a different idea of budget discipline, talks about the Wall Street Journal, and the fact that
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he said he would balance budget, and he writes, but that's not what Mr. Carney meant. He was talking
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about splitting the budget into two and balancing one part. That's not the same as eliminating the
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deficit, but it does tell us a lot about Mr. Carney and his approach to the country's finances. So it
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says, for the record, the Wall Street Journal didn't misquote him. Mr. Carney did indeed tell a crowd
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at a leadership campaign in Kelowna last week that my government will balance the budget within three
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years. The reason, though, it's misleading, because this idea that he's going to say we have
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an operating budget, which is the spending on all of the things that we have to spend on,
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like the salaries of bureaucrats, the direct transfers to Canadians, the direct transfers
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to the province, but then we'll create a separate budget for all of our investments that we want to
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make, including, you know, he's already pledged that he's going to increase Canada's military to get
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to the 2% NATO target. He wants to build infrastructure. He wants to put money back
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into the Canadian economy. So this is just a total sleight of hand. What do you think?
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Oh, it's a huge sleight of hand. And it's one of the older tricks in the book of politicians who
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like to play fast and loose with numbers. So here in Alberta, there was one instance where we had
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a provincial government that tried to split the budget. Some of my colleagues at the Canadian
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Taxpayers Federation said that they had to create spreadsheets with like 30 rows in them with a few
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different columns to enter all of the spending data points, just to figure out how big their stupid
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deficit was. And at the municipal level, I run into this all the time. So for example, in Calgary,
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they changed the way their accounting works around 2012, which was really shifty. They try to separate
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their operating versus their capital budget. Similar things happen up in Edmonton. I imagine
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this is happening now in most major cities in Canada. The bottom line is there's only one
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taxpayer. And if politicians are spending taxpayers money that they don't have, and they're borrowing
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it, they're going into debt plus interest. And you nailed it there when it comes to our current
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national debt. The Trudeau government has doubled the national debt. We are now at $1.2 trillion in
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federal debt, not counting all the provincial government's debts, okay? This is just Ottawa's
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debt. So we have un-money right now. We are spending more money on interest on our debt than we are on
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health transfers to the provinces, meaning more than we spend on healthcare. It's a disgusting amount of
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money. And for Carney to think that he can say, oh, it's investment, exactly to your point, Candace, when a
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politician's lips are moving and they say, we're going to invest, they're taking your money. They're
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spending taxpayers money and they're printing more of it often too, which helps cause inflation to be
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worse. So this is a really good catch. I'm glad that he tried to say that to the room of folks,
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normal folks in Kelowna. Notice how he didn't try to explain what he meant when he just said that to the
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folks in Kelowna. But when he was suddenly in front of a journalist, he had to try to explain himself.
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This is why I'm encouraging every journalist, don't care which outlet it is, chase this guy down,
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get him on the record, because the more you peel back this onion, the more it stinks.
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Well, and that's not the only lie that we caught him in because at that same press conference or that
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same, sorry, that same rally in Kelowna, this clip came out and kind of went viral because it had a lot
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of Canadians concerned. Mark Carney boasting and bragging about how he was going to use the emergency
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powers. Now, anytime you hear that, you know, anyone who was involved in the trucker convoy or even just
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watching those events unfold in 2022 knows that the emergencies act, the emergencies power was used
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illegally against protesters, lawful protesters. And basically, it's the modern day equivalent of
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martial law, the idea that you unleash the military against peaceful protesters. So I'm going to play this
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clip. This was again, that same campaign stop in Kelowna, British Columbia, Mark Carney telling the
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crowd that he will use all of the powers of the federal government, including the emergency powers
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to accelerate major projects. Let's play that clip.
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And something that my government is going to do is to use all of the powers of the federal government,
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including the emergency powers of the federal government to accelerate the major projects that we need
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in order to build this economy and take on the Americans.
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So in the context of the looming trade war, President Trump's threats about a tariff,
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we kind of start to hear the same song from all the politicians that, okay, now's the time to roll
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up our sleeves and start building out the economy, doing things that probably Chris should have been
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done decades ago, including major pipelines, right? So he is saying, you know, we're gonna,
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we're gonna use the Emergencies Act, if possible, he literally says we'll use all of the powers of
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the federal government. So again, that's the folks in British Columbia last Wednesday. But then last
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night, Mark Carney was on French CBC, Radio Canada. And he was asked specifically about whether he would
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push pipelines, because you would think one of the things that would be needed to meet the threat from
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tariffs from the Americans is we need to be able to get our pipelines and our oil to markets,
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including on the East Coast, including the Energy East pipeline. That's one of the major things that
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we need that has been stalled and blocked by the Liberal government. And he was specifically asked
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about this. Now, I have the clip, it's in French. So I think probably better to just read what he says.
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And then Sean, you can show the clip to the viewers, but I'll read what is said here. So the interviewer
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Yes. Oh, you could just mute the sound there, Sean. So this is what it looked like. And the interviewer says,
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but you would never impose a pipeline on Quebec or any other province. And Mark Carney says,
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I would never impose. Roy says, never. Carney says, never. And then Roy asks, emergency legislation.
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Carney goes on. He says, but I will use my government. If I were prime minister,
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my government would use our emergency powers to accelerate projects that are in the national
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interest. Roy goes, okay. Carney continues. He says, but it has to be decided with the provinces,
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with the nations. Roy asks, okay. So if a province says, no, you're not putting any pipelines through,
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Carney says, absolutely. Roy asks, you don't impose it? Carney says, never in Quebec.
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So to the Quebec audience, he's saying, never a pipeline. No, I won't use it. I won't do the
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emergency powers. But then speaking to the rest of the country in English, he's happy to say,
00:22:55.540
we'll use everything we can, every piece of power. To me, this is just so typical of Canadian politicians
00:23:02.660
speaking different messages in different languages. It just drives me crazy. What do you think?
00:23:07.380
It happens way too often. This is one of the more stark examples that I can remember seeing in a long
00:23:12.420
time. And it's pretty clear, like most Canadians who've at least taken some French in school know
00:23:17.940
jamais means never. Like you can see just the headline there, what he's saying, which is pretty
00:23:23.540
unsettling. And back to your point of what he said to the Kelowna, the Kelowna crowd, him saying emergency
00:23:29.860
powers, does that mean the emergencies act? And to your point exactly, that is the current incarnation of the
00:23:34.260
war measures act. And that was something the federal court said, the Trudeau government was
00:23:39.540
wrong to impose on Canadians. And it's keep in mind, it's not just, of course, the protesters who might
00:23:45.940
be on the ground for whatever reason that they're there for. In that case, it was the trucker convoy.
00:23:50.500
But it suspends essentially, the free expression of all Canadians at that time. You're under martial
00:23:57.540
law, as you described it. That's a pretty harrowing thing. When you start thinking about it of Oh, if I
00:24:04.340
speak up, and I try to hold my government to account, which is a huge role for the Canadian
00:24:09.300
Taxpayers Federation, will I get my bank account frozen? Talk about a chill on free expression,
00:24:16.180
that is not okay. And so to hear that kind of thrown out there in the context of a pipeline, which
00:24:21.620
you're right, we should have had this built 10 years ago, it's absurd. We do not have a national
00:24:26.660
east-west coast to coast pipeline for our own energy in Canada. It's rather embarrassing when
00:24:31.700
you start thinking about it. And then to have him turn around and say, en français, oh jamais,
00:24:36.500
I would never do that. Again, he has to be held to account for this. I would say the same thing,
00:24:42.340
if this were a conservative politician pulling this, or an NDP politician pulling this. And it's
00:24:47.460
really important for taxpayers to understand that we are losing out on 10s of billions of dollars,
00:24:55.220
just in federal tax revenue, by not having proper pipelines in Canada, and the ability to get our
00:25:03.460
energy out to market. We're not even calculating the municipal property taxes that are actually
00:25:09.380
generated from these pipeline corridors. It is an astonishing amount of money that we are throwing
00:25:14.820
away down the drain. And it's also according to my more financial friends, scaring away a ton of
00:25:20.500
investment by not having a really smart energy policy in Canada. And I would encourage anybody
00:25:26.900
to read Mark Carney's book. It's called Values. It literally on the front cover has the planet Earth
00:25:33.220
with a bunch of scaffolding around it, as if it's being reshaped or rebuilt. And he gets right into how
00:25:39.460
he feels about pipelines and natural resources. He says in his book that apparently we need to keep
00:25:47.140
80% of our oil and gas in the ground. And that he wants to electrify everything. What does he mean by
00:25:54.580
everything? It sounds like everything. With what kind of power? Solar and wind, according to his book.
00:26:00.740
So there are some hard questions that have to be asked of this guy.
00:26:05.380
Unbelievable. I think that I did a deep dive on that book with Cosmin Georgia, a journalist at True
00:26:10.420
North, who has been going through, I mean, so many things that you mentioned, the digital currency,
00:26:15.140
the idea that it was Mark Carney who was encouraging the government to freeze bank accounts. He wrote it in
00:26:19.860
the Globe and Mail in an op-ed saying, this is sedition. This is a dangerous, scary person. In that
00:26:25.700
interview with Rosemary Barton, he's sort of trying to walk back the idea of the carbon tax saying, no,
00:26:30.820
we'll just impose it on the big polluters instead. Rosemary Barton rightly says, well,
00:26:35.060
aren't they just going to pass it on to the consumers? Like if you're a big company and all
00:26:38.420
of a sudden you're getting levied with huge fines from the government, you know, you don't just get
00:26:42.660
that money out of thin air. You have to charge your customers more. That's like basic economics. And
00:26:46.900
again, Carney just doesn't really have a good answer for it. I think that to your point, you know,
00:26:52.340
the role of journalists is to ask questions. I'm glad that the CBC in French were asking those
00:26:56.820
questions. I wish that they had pulled up the clip of him from Kelowna saying, but you just said that
00:27:01.860
you would use all the powers of the federal government, including emergency powers to get,
00:27:07.460
you know, to build infrastructure, to combat these tariffs. And yet I don't, I don't understand how
00:27:13.300
Quebec can have a veto, Chris. It's frustrating because right now the only way that Eastern Canada
00:27:18.180
gets its oil, central Canada gets its oil is through a pipeline in the United States. So if you're
00:27:22.100
having a trade war with the Americans, it really begs the question, like, will that oil even be
00:27:26.820
able to get through? And then what would happen to central Canada? Right now, Canada already imports
00:27:31.140
oil from Saudi Arabia and Nigeria. I can only imagine what we'd have to do if all of a sudden
00:27:37.540
the oil couldn't get across from Alberta because of these pipelines. It's really-
00:27:42.340
Imagine that the natural gas pipeline that supplies heat to your own house runs through your
00:27:49.700
neighbor's property, like not underground. So there's some weird trick or anything, but like
00:27:53.940
above ground, let's for argument's sake, it just runs across there. How fun would that be as your
00:27:59.380
neighbor changes moods or changes tactics? Like this is crazy to your point on the Kelowna interview and
00:28:05.140
shout out to Castanet, which is a scrappy little media organization that covers a lot of good news in
00:28:10.500
the Okanagan region. That was their footage that, that we've gotten these clips from. They do great work.
00:28:16.820
And the other element there, if I can, Candace, where he brings it back down to the carbon tax again,
00:28:22.660
he says that he won't ax the tax and everybody laughed in the room and he kind of snickered.
00:28:28.900
So he sees the idea of completely canceling the carbon tax as some joke. Then he says,
00:28:33.940
I would change the carbon tax. That's a huge difference. You were getting to the point of
00:28:39.860
how even the CBC is saying, um, won't that cost just trickle down to the normal person?
00:28:44.660
Short answer. Yes, of course it will. We just got a poll back, Candace. Only 12% of Canadians believe
00:28:52.980
Mark Carney when he says, oh no, normal people won't feel the cost of the carbon tax. Magically,
00:28:59.060
these big businesses will just eat the cost. Only 12% of Canadians believe that line. So that was very
00:29:06.260
encouraging that people know that if you dump a huge carbon tax on a refinery, so your gasoline and
00:29:13.140
diesel will go up in cost because of the carbon tax. They understand that. They understand that
00:29:18.740
if Carney nails a utility company, like your home heating with a carbon tax, your heating bill will
00:29:24.660
go up higher. And so it's really encouraging to know that Canadians are seeing through this.
00:29:28.900
Absolutely, Chris. Okay. I want to shift gears a little bit to talk about the Ontario election.
00:29:33.860
Yes, there's an election going on in Ontario. There was a leaders debate last night and I don't
00:29:39.220
even want to play the clip because it's just so bad. Like the, the, the, the candidates running in
00:29:44.340
this election are not very good. I think Doug Ford will walk away with a big majority, but basically
00:29:50.100
the idea when you watch one of these leadership debates is that everything is a crisis. Everything
00:29:54.980
requires more government, no matter what, whether it's healthcare, whether it's housing, whether it's
00:29:59.540
crime, whether it's, it's traffic problems, every single politician, including the conservative Doug
00:30:04.740
Ford, his solution is always more government, which is, is just kind of sad. Uh, I want to talk a little
00:30:10.260
bit about a moment that caused a lot of stir online. And I think among Canadians, because the, when the
00:30:16.260
night that the campaign launched, this is back in late January, Doug Ford was on camera speaking in
00:30:21.780
London, Ontario to a police chief gala. And he said that he believes in the death penalty, that he
00:30:28.340
thinks that someone who breaks into someone's home and kills somebody, kills an innocent person, he
00:30:33.860
wrote, he said, should be sent right to Sparky, uh, an allusion to the electric chair. Uh, we have that
00:30:40.420
clip. I want to play it now. You know, someone breaks in your house, uses a gun, 10 years automatic.
00:30:47.460
They discharge that gun to get 15 years automatic. God forbid they shoot someone and they survive
00:30:57.940
20 years automatic. And God forbid they kill an innocent person. I don't even go 25 years,
00:31:06.340
I send them right to Sparky and we'll take care of everything from there.
00:31:09.700
Oh, you can see, uh, well, it's actually interesting, Chris, because you could see
00:31:14.900
in that clip, uh, for the listening audience, he's speaking at a lectern and he actually has,
00:31:20.100
um, you, you could see his teleprompters up. So he's giving a speech, presumably reading off a
00:31:25.780
teleprompter. Uh, it might've been ad-libbing that one part where he says, we forget about 25 years,
00:31:30.420
you should send them straight to Sparky. Well, his campaign has clarified and they're now walking that
00:31:36.020
back. Even though I think that a lot of people online were excited about that. Uh, he now walks
00:31:41.940
back this thing, just saying it was a joke and it was in poor taste, but this is a real problem,
00:31:47.620
Chris. I raised this in my interview that I did last week with Pierre Polyev, this idea that there
00:31:52.580
are home invasions across the GTA happening almost every single night. It's terrifying for families,
00:31:58.420
for mothers. There's a clip that was circulating just the other day of a home invasion in Mississauga.
00:32:03.460
This is a video of three men breaking into a house and a mom with a baseball bat chasing these
00:32:09.300
men out of the house. Apparently she had her children sleeping upstairs. I want to play this
00:32:13.780
clip for you. This is happening every single day. The family sent me this video so Canadians can be
00:32:19.940
aware of what's happening. So the father comes, you can see they start throwing a whole bunch of
00:32:24.580
objects at him. Look at this. Now the mother has come look at this with a bat to scare these thugs away.
00:32:30.900
This mother is a true hero. Look at this. No fear. You can see she's screaming at them,
00:32:35.140
getting them out of here. This is crazy what's happening. The fact that we have to put our
00:32:39.860
families, our mothers, our children in this situation. It's unbelievable. I don't know if
00:32:46.020
that's happening out in Alberta, but I hear about this all the time in, in Toronto and in the GTA,
00:32:51.300
Mississauga is just a suburb here. It happens all the time. It's such a large part of it is this
00:32:56.740
revolving door prison system that Doug Ford was alluding to there that we need hard minimums on
00:33:02.100
crime. I saw this story. I want to tie it in as well. The via rail terrorist. So I don't know if
00:33:08.420
you remember, but back in, I think it was 2015, these two individuals, one a Palestinian and the
00:33:14.180
other one from Tunisia were planning a terrorist attack to derail a train heading from Toronto to New
00:33:20.020
York City. They had a plan in the works. They had gone and taken steps. They were found guilty by a
00:33:26.340
Canadian court. This one individual from Tunisia is supposed to be deported, but we learned on Friday
00:33:33.700
that the judge is delaying the deportation issue due to mental health concerns. So the judge wrote,
00:33:40.820
I find a real risk of serious mental harm on the basis of evidence from this individual's treating
00:33:46.420
psychologist, wrote the judge. The court heard from the psychologist saying that basically because
00:33:53.220
of his prognosis of medical fragility, that he shouldn't be sent back to his home country. He
00:34:00.740
shouldn't be deported. Instead, he should stay in a Canadian prison. To me, this makes such a mockery
00:34:06.580
of our systems. Like someone can come from another country, plan to mass murder Canadians, take steps to
00:34:12.340
mass murder Canadians. This guy was here on a student visa. He is a PhD student. So he's not,
00:34:17.940
he's not some dummy, right? He's an intelligent person. And basically decided to try to plan a
00:34:24.100
terrorist attack against Canadians. Fortunately, because of the work of Canadian police, he was
00:34:28.740
stopped, the attack was thwarted. But still, we won't even send him home because we're worried
00:34:32.420
about his mental fragility. It's just unbelievable to me, Chris. What do you make of all this?
00:34:36.980
Well, I will say at the Taxpayers Federation, we often ask people what they think the role of
00:34:42.100
government should be or what they think their money should be spent on. And generally speaking,
00:34:46.900
quite often, safety, public safety, in the sense of police catching bad guys, keeping criminals away
00:34:53.780
from your house, stopping horrific footage like you just saw there with the mother running with a
00:34:58.100
baseball bat, those usually rank pretty high when it comes to what things government should be spending
00:35:04.180
good money on. But the issue is getting good results. So if it were something a bit more
00:35:09.620
simple, like some silly foreign trip, we would ask the question, are you getting good return on your
00:35:14.740
money? Is this good value for taxpayers dollars? And logically, the answer in many cases when it comes
00:35:22.100
to the criminal justice system now is no. Because if you listen to police who often tell us, for example,
00:35:29.460
that they are constantly dealing with illegal guns coming across the United States border when it
00:35:34.020
comes to gangbangers and criminals and not coming from law-abiding firearms owners, which the Trudeau
00:35:39.780
government is attacking, we hear that from cops all the time. And taking off my CTF hat, one of my
00:35:45.940
main roles as a journalist was being a court reporter. So I would sit there day after day covering the
00:35:52.900
criminal justice system. I've worked very closely with some folks in law enforcement. So yeah, it's very
00:35:58.500
clear that there is a revolving door system. There's what they often refer to as catch and release.
00:36:04.820
Catch and release. My numbers are a little off. But generally speaking, I think it's about 60 criminals
00:36:11.540
in the Vancouver area committing about 1000 crimes or probably more. Basically saying a very tiny pool of
00:36:19.540
people are committing most of these crimes, including some violent crimes, all of them, all of them. It's
00:36:26.660
a tiny fraction of the population that are constantly doing this. And a lot of people have heard of a
00:36:32.100
general answer coming from police saying, I can catch somebody doing something awful in the morning,
00:36:37.860
and he's back out on the street in the afternoon before that cop shift is over. So if you keep on doing
00:36:43.860
it, keep in mind, I want people to imagine apart from obviously the danger to yourself. But if you
00:36:49.780
remove yourself and just look at this from a monetary issue, picture a cash register. Every time these
00:36:55.620
people are brought into the system and let out ching, ching, ching, ching, ching, it is costing a ton of
00:37:00.180
money every single time they're doing this. And I got to ask them, are you getting a good return on your
00:37:05.380
investment here? I think most of the time, people will say no, because a lot of people feel that crime is
00:37:10.980
going up and they're feeling less safe, even in smaller cities and towns now. Well, there's data
00:37:16.500
to back this up. So True North reporting that Canada experienced faster rise in property and violent
00:37:22.900
crime in the United States is based on a Fraser Institute study comparing violent crime rates in
00:37:28.100
Canadian cities versus American cities over the last 20 years. So the report found that since 2014,
00:37:34.980
Canadian cities have seen a 40% increase in violent crime, whereas in the same period,
00:37:40.100
the United States just saw a 7% increase. So to be fair, the violent crime rate in Canada went from
00:37:45.220
148 per 100,000 to 258 per 100,000, while in the United States, it went from 313 to 335. So Canadian
00:37:54.180
cities on balance are still safer, but that rise in crime is happening. And it looks like sooner or
00:37:59.300
later, we will catch up to the Americans, given what's happening in our cities. Okay, I want to change
00:38:05.300
gears a little bit here, Chris, and talk about the absolute waste that we see in the Canadian
00:38:11.380
government. Sometimes it's like the little things that you hear about a $20 billion green slush fund
00:38:18.340
or whatever, and it's hard to really make sense of what that even means. But then you see something
00:38:22.660
small, like $5,000 going to subsidize a big corporation or something like that. And that's
00:38:28.340
the one that really, really drives you crazy. There's this video on X. So the international
00:38:34.500
trade minister, Mary Ng, posted this clip of herself alongside 220 Canadian bureaucrats on a diplomatic
00:38:42.740
trade mission to Australia. Look at that beautiful image. Those are all Canadian bureaucrats outside the
00:38:49.220
beautiful Sydney Opera House in beautiful Sydney, Australia in February. Wouldn't you rather be in
00:38:54.980
the middle of Australian summer as opposed to the treacherous winter conditions that we just showed
00:39:00.180
in Toronto? So somehow this is good value for our money, trying to send a trade delegation to Australia
00:39:08.660
in the middle of their summer. I don't understand why this stuff happens. It's an absurd waste of money.
00:39:13.620
What do you think, Chris? Oh, it's a disgusting waste of money and you nailed it. And I'm so glad that
00:39:17.700
Canadians see through this. I mean, they see video footage like that. They should think,
00:39:22.100
I paid for every single one of their tickets. I'm paying for all of their hotels. I'm paying for
00:39:27.460
whatever that is, a drone camera to do the little swoosh around thing. Yay. We've got a bunch of
00:39:32.500
Canadian office workers, bureaucrats in Australia. Why? So the question always gets down to return on
00:39:38.660
investment. And you can't convince me that we need to send more than 200 bureaucrats to Australia
00:39:45.460
to get a good return on investment for, say, a trade deal. That needs to be a tight,
00:39:50.260
tight team of smart negotiators that do that stuff well and under budget. That's how that stuff gets
00:39:56.260
worked out. Not this. These are junkets. And this is a pattern. This is a pattern. Canada routinely
00:40:04.020
sends the biggest delegation to all of these COP whatever, I don't remember what it stands for,
00:40:09.860
those climate meetings I have every single year in some beautiful exotic place. They always send
00:40:15.220
the most delegation. We thought that this was all about emissions, right? But no, we always wind up
00:40:22.020
spending and sending the most jet plane tickets to send people over there. In Paris, it was crazy. I
00:40:29.540
think we had more than the host country. And then once we're there, we spend money on stupid things.
00:40:35.860
Like, I think it was during one of the COP meetings where it was then finance minister,
00:40:39.940
Chrystia Freeland, who stayed in the wrong city. And instead of taking the commuter train,
00:40:46.580
she took a limousine or a chauffeur service back and forth, city to city every single time,
00:40:51.700
all the taxpayers expense. So this looks like just another one of those big junkets. We're definitely
00:40:56.980
going to be filing a lot of FOIs on those things and finding out how much taxpayers money was spent.
00:41:02.580
And we just finished getting back FOIs, Candice, if you don't mind me mentioning,
00:41:06.420
Global Affairs, which we would, us veterans would call it Foreign Affairs Canada. It's called Global
00:41:11.700
Affairs now. They spent $10,000 on Lego, like building block Lego. They spent 10 grand on that.
00:41:21.620
It's part of their $500,000 blowout on art that they blow. It looks like a few years now for the last
00:41:29.700
three years. And it's all part of the March madness. And I've seen the emails come through
00:41:34.260
before when I worked in government. This email comes through around this time, January, February.
00:41:39.380
Hey, we have this amount of money left in our budget. Instead of saving it, which is taxpayers'
00:41:44.420
money or handing it back to the treasury to save it, they blow it every single year because it's use
00:41:50.180
it or lose it. That's when you get these stupid stories of 10,000 bucks on Lego or $8,000 on chair
00:41:55.940
cushions. Absolute insanity. Well, my five-year-old son would absolutely love to have $10,000 worth of
00:42:02.660
Lego. That sounds like a dream to him. You could build the entire Death Star and the entire Millennium
00:42:08.180
Falcon for that, I think. Absolutely. So it reminds me, I had a friend who worked for the,
00:42:13.940
he was a Pentagon spokesman, this American friend, a Pentagon spokesman who worked down in Guantanamo Bay
00:42:18.500
during the time when that was open. And he used to tell stories about how
00:42:23.300
there was so much Canadian interest in this one inmate, Omar Cotter. But the interest always
00:42:29.700
seemed to happen in like January and February, right? So when it's cold in Canada, these journalists
00:42:35.860
come up with ideas that they want to go down and visit with Omar Cotter and tour Guantanamo. And you
00:42:40.980
get all these requests from Canadian journalists in January, February. And then like the whole rest of
00:42:45.220
the year, there'd be no interest because, you know, it's Cuba. It was Guantanamo Bay in Cuba. So every
00:42:50.100
Canadian wants to get out of the Canadian winter and go down to Cuba for work. But really, you know,
00:42:56.660
these junkets are always designed like that. Because, you know, it's just an excuse for many
00:43:02.020
of these Canadians to take a vacation. So great work by the Canadian Taxpayers Federation to expose
00:43:07.380
this kind of thing. I mentioned that we would get to this Steve Bannon interview with our colleague,
00:43:12.260
Brian Lilly. I'll just go through it quickly, because we're running short on time here. I'll
00:43:16.180
specifically show this clip, though, because Lilly asked Mr. Bannon about Mark Carney and his carbon
00:43:23.140
plan. So one of the things that Mark Carney has talked about is having an additional tariff on
00:43:28.660
carbon from countries that don't have carbon taxes. So if you don't have the same green environmentalist
00:43:34.260
buy-in that the Canadians believe you should have, he wants to impose an additional layer of tariffs on
00:43:40.020
trade. I think Steve Bannon had a very appropriate reaction here, which is basically that that would
00:43:46.100
completely change our relationship with the United States, and they would see it as a hostile act.
00:43:53.300
What would the reaction be in Washington to Canada saying if your climate plan is not good enough,
00:43:59.140
and the American one would not be good enough for Mark Carney, what would the reaction be to Canada
00:44:03.940
putting a carbon tariff on every import that we have from you? I think it would be a complete rethinking
00:44:11.540
here in the country about what our relationship is with Canada. I think that if you did that,
00:44:16.340
you would essentially say that we're a hostile power. I think it would be reviewed by the American
00:44:22.180
people as that. I think it would be reviewed by people in Washington as that. And I think it would be
00:44:26.100
reviewed by President Trump as that. So this idea that Mark Carney is best suited to deal with Trump,
00:44:32.420
but Trump finds his policies absolutely repulsive. So for people who don't know, Steve Bannon was a
00:44:38.500
chief strategist for Trump. He runs a popular podcast called The War Room. He went to prison.
00:44:42.820
He was part of the lawfare campaign against the Trump administration and served time in prison
00:44:48.980
during that unbelievable chapter in American politics. But I think that what he's saying here
00:44:54.100
should be taken quite seriously. This kind of action is going to lead Canada down a very dangerous
00:45:00.820
path. What do you think? Oh, big time. And this is another reason my folks definitely need to read
00:45:05.700
Carney's book if they can. A carbon tax tariff, just to put it really simply, would do exactly what Brian
00:45:11.780
just explained. We would look at another country, the United States. Our Prime Minister, if it is Mark
00:45:17.380
Carney, would get upset that they don't have a carbon tax because he sees this as a moral principle.
00:45:23.940
Okay. This is not just some economic thing for him. It's all through his book that he sees this as a
00:45:29.540
moral principle. So if a country doesn't have one, a carbon tax, he gets upset by that. When we import
00:45:36.900
stuff from that country, again, imagine it's the United States, he would hit that object with a carbon
00:45:42.900
tax tariff, not only bungling up their trade, but making it more expensive for Canadians, again,
00:45:50.100
to buy those items. So not only is he going to hide the carbon tax and try to shield it from your bill,
00:45:57.060
but you're still paying it, he's going to create an entire new layer of one in the form of a carbon tax
00:46:03.060
tariff. So that was excellent that Brian got a chance to sit down with Bannon. And just for a moment,
00:46:08.020
in case there's any folks in the mainstream media watching this that are turning their nose up at Steve
00:46:12.100
Bannon, don't shoot the messenger. Be smart about this. Steve Bannon has worked closely with US
00:46:18.900
President Donald Trump, the guy that wants to tariff our country. Get smart about it. Take
00:46:24.420
the information from what he's saying very seriously here. I think that's such a good point. And again,
00:46:30.900
yeah, when when Steve Bannon was on Global News last week, it really, you know, Canadians really
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overreacted to it. I think that was that the comment that Justin Trudeau made on at his economic summit,
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where he said that Trump is serious about us becoming a 51st state, and he wants our minerals. I think it
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came directly from something that Bannon said. So I think it's a very good idea to listen to this kind
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of thing. And rather than just assume that Mark Carney is the best person to negotiate with Trump,
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I don't really think that it's pointing that way. I think that they have such a mismatch in terms of
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their values, their ideology, and their approach to governing, that it would be another Trudeau situation
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where Trump just doesn't have any respect, he doesn't like the ideology, he's tired of it. And I think it
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could create more of a threat to Canada. If I may quickly again, taking off my CTF
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hat and being a longtime journalist, especially as a show host, you really need to actively listen
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to people and where they are sometimes. And when it comes to trying to negotiate with someone like
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US President Trump or Vice President Vance, keep in mind their backgrounds. When they're saying stuff
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like stop all the fentanyl coming into our country, yes, it goes bad ways, I know. But when they say
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something like that, think of their backgrounds. What is US President Trump's history with substance
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abuse? His brother died from it. JD Vance was raised by a mother who was a severe drug addict,
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who thank God is clean now. These things shape these people's thinking. So you at least need to keep that
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on your dashboard when you're trying to negotiate with these people and shield Canadians from a huge
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punishing tariff, which is just a trade tax. Our hope is that cooler heads prevail and people like
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Premier Daniel Smith, doing her work down there, are able to find a diplomatic solution to this and
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were able to avoid these tariffs. I hope you're right. I really urge people to take your advice and
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to listen and think about where these people are coming from. Another clip we didn't get to in the show,
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but Mark Carney also said that he didn't think that the fentanyl crisis was actually a crisis,
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speaking to that group in Kelowna. So again, just missing the mark and not really on the same page
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here. Chris, thank you so much for your time. It's always a pleasure to have you on the show. We
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really appreciate your time. It's Chris Sims from the Canadian Taxpayers Federation. Thank you.
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All right, folks, that will wrap it up here for today. Thank you so much for joining us. I'm
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Candice Malcolm. This is the Candice Malcolm Show. We'll be back again tomorrow with all the news. Thank you and God bless.